Unashamed with the Robertson Family - Ep 469 | Phil Comes Face-to-Face with the Actor Playing Him in a Movie & Why Jase Loves His TV Crew

Episode Date: April 29, 2022

Phil finally met the actor who will portray him in a new movie about Phil's early life, and Al explains how God is a jealous God. Jase remembers mentor Bill Smith and their discussions about the book of Romans. Jase discusses the relationships and bonds formed with the TV crew he now works with for the filming of his new TV show, "Duck Family Treasure." Phil tells of the actor who will play his old buddy Big Al and shares his journey to faith, and Jase points out that a spiritual war has already been won through the resurrection of Jesus Christ. Watch the Unashamed overtime show, only on BlazeTV: https://BlazeTV.com/Unashamed - Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

I am unashamed. What about you? Welcome back. Welcome back. We're commenting on the shirt. Look, I made an assertion. It was the Greek language, because you have this, we're living in a meta-verse. Universe, is that what they're? Yeah, it's a created universe to live in. You create your own world.

Yeah. But the word repentance, Greek word metanoia, is your world is changed based on Jesus. Right. It's the word for repentance, which is really strong. The repent for the kingdom is near. So now your world has changed because of your encounter with Jesus, and you're now a part of the kingdom of heaven on earth now. It's pretty powerful.

The kingdom is here through the Holy Spirit. here. So if you, if you, if you want one of those, thousands of them. And look. It's 316T's.com.

And look, I get zero. So I'm not like trying to. No, we're not. This is, the Lord. These guys are just putting out

Kingdom messages on T-shirts. We like them. And so they listen to the podcast and they come up, you know, some of the things we come up with, they like, which I think is pretty cool. Well,

somebody asked me that because I wore that. I thought, what's your cut on that? I said, zero. But I, I, I think when you have a bumper sticker moment compared to the world,

because we're talking about today, the difference in the world standards and God's standards. And so here is classic case. You want to be a part of the metaverse or you want to be a part of the metanoia? Changed people because God doesn't change. And everything he represents is good, but it's real. This is a real world. They also did a, I could be wrong with their text on that one too, which is good. That would save it, but I like what they did there.

I could be wrong. Could be wrong. And I think we should say that a lot. To be the leading. As much as we talk, we could be, we have the Holy Spirit, but people made mistakes. So we could be wrong. But we also acknowledge that because we know that God is supplying the power and we rely on him, which is Paul's whole point in this.

We've discovered something. together that we said before we got started that 2 Corinthians, especially 6 through 13, let's face it, I would say underrated. Yeah. Yeah, you got to do a deep dive to really appreciate it. We all spend time in the first five chapter. I use those in multiple speeches, talks, practical applications, encounters with everyday people, especially at Corinthians 5.

I think it's one of the greatest chapters in about what. Therefore were new creations. Christ Ambassador. Christ Ambassador. Ministers of reconciliation. As God were making his appeal through us, and then he has that, God made him who had no sin to be sin for us, so that in him we might become the righteousness of God.

I believe that's what it says. Which is individually one of the greatest verses in the entire Bible. I mean, I've quoted it so many times. Great. And then we just quit reading it. Yeah, and it's like, okay, we're done. We're done. But there's some nuggets here.

and look, 2 Corinthians 10, 1 through 5 is, or 1 through 6, he starts off saying the meekness and gentleness of Christ, I appeal to you, I, Paul, who am timid when face to face with you, but bold went away because they're giving him a hard time. We talked about that last time. I beg you that when I come, I may not have to be as bold as I expect to be toward some people who think that we live by the standards of the world, which is why we jumped ahead last time because their life was not in line with Jesus being Lord.

Correct. So they had forgot Jesus or they felt he was not enough. For though we live in the world, we do not wage war as the world does. It's not a physical thing. The weapons we fight with are not the weapons of the world. On the contrary, we have divine power, divine power. demolish strongholds, demolish arguments, every pretension that sets itself up against the knowledge of God. We take captive every thought. We take captive every thought to make it

obedient to Christ and we'll be ready to punish every act of disobedience, not in a physical way, a spiritual confrontation way. Yeah, both books are summed up in 2nd Corinthians 6, 14, and following. These people had a problem. And here it was. Here. it is, do not be yoked together with unbelievers. What would you mean by that? What do righteousness and wickedness have in common, which is earth-shattering? What fellowship can light have with darkness as far as who you run with and who you hang around?

What harmony is there between Christ and Belial, the devil? What does a believer have in common with an unblembron? believer. What agreement is there, how many times can you get to on this thing? This is a summation of both letters. What agreement is there between the temple of God and idols? For we are the temple of the living God. That's the thrust of the whole thing. Because if you know you're a member of the temple, which is the kingdom of God with Jesus being the king, you won't run with y'all, you know, you won't get tangled up in worldly constructs at all. Governments are pretty good.

But the difference, Phil, is they were in the church. It wasn't like they were running with them. They had brought that in the church. Yeah, yeah. They were trying to get people who are running with Jesus to run with them. Yeah. Where are we going? Yep. Nowhere.

Somewhere bad. And if you look at the last 2,000 years, that little summation there about who you run with, you say it becomes pretty clear. I all looked pretty good to your point last night. You were talking about the feed to get together. But if you look carefully, you say, you know, this was a fan. family structure, kin folks, and close associates, but you knew who you were running with. Yeah. There was no mischief with all of that.

Right. You know what I'm saying? Well, it was really interesting, Dad, the people that spoke that were not in our physical family, but are part of our forever family, they all spoke to primarily Willie because it was his party. Yeah. But about the spiritual guidance they had gotten. In other words, the- It's a good way to remember. mind people who they are.

Exactly. So it was evident, as Jay says, you're either influenced or are being influenced. So which is it? Because you can tell by the people that are around you, they're either going to, you're going to be a part of what they're doing that may not be good, or they're going to try to become a part of what you're doing, which is kingdom living, which is a lot of. A movie they're coming out with in a few months, be a few months of, but I met the actors who were playing me, Ms. Kay. How surreal was that to meet actors who are, and one of them was Brit, right? Oh, yeah, they were a Brit.

And I said, where are you from? You're going to play? Who are you going to play? He said, you? I said, hmm. And he was from London. He's a great Britain. I said, where are you from?

He said, London. Well, I didn't know you were over there. I was there yet. Two days. No, I'm talking about it in Britain. No, I've never been to Britain. Oh, I thought there was some aspect of your life. That's just an actor, they just brought in some actors.

And I asked them, where are you folks from you? They told me. But I would say for the next. for the next two hours, it came from their questions. They would say, okay, now, because I'm playing you from the time you were 18 to 28. So I said, that's quite the role. I said, this is definitely right at all. Oh, well, I don't know.

That was the embarrassing part of my life. And he said, but look at the good that come out of it. There you go, Dan. And he said, to me, he said, well, you know, I've been with drugs, you know, and everything. I said, I understand. So he had a little personal. But as a member of the kingdom of God with actors playing me and my preconditioned before I became a Christian.

You're still having a spiritual conversation. I basically was talking to the actor saying, here's what's happened. That's pretty cool. To your credit, one of the odysses of life, which shows a lot of things Jesus said, what you think is successful, it's actually the opposite of what you think. Because really, it takes a lot of courage to admit your weakness and to confess your sins. I concluded if he was going to play me, well, here's the old me and his new me. Because he knew all that. Right.

He'd researched it, but he just wanted to hear me say it. Yeah. So I just took my time with him and pointing. I said, so when you get ready to become one of us, the kingdom of God, I said, just get somebody to take you down there at the river where we are. And I said, we'll have a little walk to the river. And he just said, he said, I'll remember that. I said, now you've heard the message. If you move on it, there's a difference in remembering.

We'll welcome you with open arms. I said, this is the post film that you're looking at the pre-film. I said, I'm telling you what it's like now. I can't speak this for sure. I want him to understand that all that. See what I'm saying? I don't know for sure. But I would be willing to bet, Dad, that you were probably the

only person in the history of movies that ever met a person, an actor playing them in a movie, and shared that with them. That's right. You're probably the only one that's ever done. Probably never happened before. Which, again, is what we're talking about. That's the uniqueness of the old thing. My take today was, when we first were talking about doing this movie,

dad said, I don't know. That was a rough patch. You would think, well, good night. He's going to play you in a movie. Y'all are big buddies in. That made you buddies. I said, no, they didn't make him anything. Yeah, you're just trying to share Jesus now.

I said, I'm just pointing to Jesus, you know, before he plays me. So I called a job. I mean, think about it. Yeah, he's making money. He looked at him and was saying, so all that rough representation of you that I'm going to be playing, he said, this is the new you. I said, this is the new one. This is the one been born again. This is the one that went from.

Which obviously is the point of it. It's a movie of prediction. He was like. When is this coming out? And he said so all, he looked around at Willie's house, he said, so all of this, I said, all of this is one of the things that rose up out of all that. I said, you know, I said, most of my kids, you know, they're pretty big houses. I said, I'm still in the same house, but I'm a different man.

I live in a trailer, so I don't know. He breathes three, four. Every house is built by someone, but God is the builder of everything. That's my answer. That's what I'm saying. This right here is a result. that is a compliment. So, so, Dad's what I told you, because you were saying,

I don't know about this. And so I put scripture on you, I said, you know, when Paul wrote the book of Romans, he didn't start in Romans 4. I mean, we would have preferred it because it's a lot better from 4, but 1, 2, and 3, tough read. Oh, yeah. But you really don't get the goodness

until you understand the badness. That's right. I think that's why this movie's being made. I remember, I think when we were in the seminary school years ago, I remember Bill Smith, when we got to Romans 3, what is it, 21, the transition? Yep. He stopped and went, woo-ho-ho. And I was like, because of me, I wasn't paying attention to have time.

You were asleep with your eyes. Why is he doing that? He's like, whew, glad that's over. But those first three chapters went on for weeks. And you had the most important word you see in the Bible, but now. Righteousness from God is revealed. A good example of the book. be somebody comes to your house and stays a few days, but all you hear from him is just

feel, but unbelieving, wickedness, darkness in that harmony or lack thereof. What do you have in common with each other? I mean, what are you doing? Other than just pouring him to Jesus, hanging around them on a daily and running with them, you know, whatever is them you're running with. something that has nothing to do with Jesus, him crucified and raised from the death. Well, but that's why we run, when you run with Jesus, which is Paul's point here in Secondon, his 10, a different set of standards happens. That's why he started off chapter 10 by saying the meekness and gentleness of Christ.

I appeal to you, well, where is he getting that? Because he's running with Jesus. Yeah, and think about it. He's coming at it from a Jesus perspective. He's like, don't be shocked that I'm not coming at you with the standards of the world, which is what you're doing. The young lady he was with, the actress, she was playing Ms. Kay. Yeah. But I just saw it in their reaction.

They had never heard the gospel. Never. They never heard that. Probably not. Well, most people think that's just foolishness. Or may be intrigued. You never know. Let's take a break.

Well, I'm saying the road is narrow. They're making a movie about it. So, do you know what? Well, but it's a job. To them, it's a job. They're getting paid. And that's why it's hard. why I said that about like our little show that we did that we just did and we're doing the

promos and all that but the difference in this one and the first one we did with our whole family is I really felt the crew it was a smaller crew they bought in to what we were doing which was highly unusual they were trying to make you because they're getting paid no matter what which is the problem with all this but I think when you're trying to make the world a better place and there's no mischief and there's no cursing, there's no bitterness and there's no, we're out there doing something that's fun, which they thought, well, this is fun. You're finding lost things in the ground.

But we're doing it in a way where we're trying to find spiritual standards that come out of this venture in relationships. And I'm telling you, they bought into it and they were getting paid, but they worked harder because they liked what it was representing, which is awesome. I think most people deep down would want to produce something that had, you know, a good result to it. I mean, you would think. You would think. But if you're getting paid, you're getting paid.

That's true. What I wanted to do, I wrote this down. So you have, I mean, I think we should get into what is the difference between the standards of the world. Yep. Because now this is wrapped around spiritual warfare. Correct. But it's not like we think because he's like we don't use the same weapons. So what exactly does this mean?

So he introduces the spiritual warfare and the standards of the world versus, I guess, godly standards or spiritual standards. But then he's going to continue to make references to this because I think immediately you think of the war against good and evil, which at the back end of this. which at the back end of this, he's like, your deeds are evil. You're doing things that are wrong, which is why we're not going to come at you like the world and like physically assault you or punish you. We're going to confront you with Jesus and say, come be a part of representing God through Jesus.

It's pretty cool because one of them said, hey, you know, he said, I'm playing Big Al. and I said, playing, I saw your big owl in the movie. He said, yeah. I said, well, here's a few things to remember. But not this owl, right? No, this was Big Al, my old buddy that was converted 12 years after I was converted. Well, the viewers probably didn't make that distinction.

Yeah, but this guy said, I'm Big Al playing Big Al. So what are a few things about how that went? So I explained to him, Big Al, an atheist. I said, he runs up on me. I'm like, if you're out, hit the road, I didn't want to be yoked together with him. hit the road so you say so you ran them off you didn't do it that I was not compassionate well but I mean I mean when you stuck you did have a heart to share Jesus with him oh yeah what I'm well I know but you're given the impression like I would just tell them I said I'm I'm not

the same as y'all you actually I would say what I said was I said you're you're looking at me I said this is the new one I was looking for the neatness and gentleness of that statement but I said the old care I said, you know, he died. And they said, what? I said, he died. And I said, this is the new one. The old one's gone.

I said, so you might as well hit the road. I'm not going anywhere with you guys. So they all hit the road. That's when 12 years later the phone rings and Big Is Owl, the one of the guys playing in the movie, you know, he calls me up. And he's having doubts about atheism because physical death is looming. It's looming out of him. He got his heart. He had some issues.

So the way it turned out, Al made it, obeyed the gospel. I baptized him, and two months later, he fell dead. Heart attack. Heart attack. That guy was, when I was telling him about it, I mean, the movie, the one he's going to portray, I'm giving him a little insight on what happened. And I worked it around where the gospel was preached, and he made it and then fell dead. You were giving him a little directional dialogue.

Just in case you fall dead. Just a little. Okay, that might have been ball peen hammer approach. That's a little more bowl. True story. No, I know. I'm just kidding. So look.

But I would say, Dad, just to tie that off, that for listeners, because a lot of people are coming out of these situations where they have been yoked and they're like, what do I do? That's what this text is saying. You ran away. I ran away. You left. I ran away. So you removed yourself. I literally, I hid.

It's a metanoia moment. Your world changed and who you hang around and what you do and where you go and how you told. So I say this because I know people are listening that you may be coming out of a drug culture or something else. You have to run away from that crew and get in with some people that are helping you on a spiritual front. You cannot stay there. In the real world. They pulled up in my yard after about a year post-conversion. It had been about a year since I'd seen any of them.

And they are like, what happened to you? And you had some strength. Yeah, they said, let's go up the road. But I didn't have but a year of Jesus living by the spirit under my belt. Yeah. Well, I ran them off. You know, you're out. Hit the road.

I'm not going anywhere with you guys. That guy's dead. I said, that guy's dead. So 12 years goes by. Right. And one of them calls, and I move on it. Right. But now, you know, I'm bold as a line after 12 years.

Yeah. After 12 years, that's right. So, and they saw for the first. time I said oh you're having doubts about atheism since physical death is knocking on your door he said I am he said what changed you like that so I said well here's what happened so I told him my story and he said I tell you what I need to do that yeah so I was surprised I said well he taught atheism biology you know he's a biology teacher in high school but he taught atheism his entire life except for the last right there toward the end yeah he embraced Jesus and made it

by the skin of his... In the parable that we studied in Matthew, he was the worker that came in the last hour. That's all right. He got the same pay. So for two months, I was yoked with him because he had obeyed the gospel. He was a brother.

Yeah, you're trying to strengthen. Hit the road. Because, by the way, nobody knew he's going to drop dead in two months. No, no. But what you're describing in spiritual warfare, and that's what he's describing in this situation. I mean, you see that in all situations. And to make the point to get back from a scriptural,

standpoint. So he brings us up, I believe, in chapter 11, 1, through 4, again, because then he says, I hope you will put up with a little of my foolishness. Now, he's being coy with that, but you are already doing that. I am jealous for you with a godly jealousy, which is a, that would be a spiritual tool, I guess, that you would think what's wrong to be jealous. Well, unless you're had a godly jealousy. When God describes himself a lot, especially in the Old Testament, as being jealous of his people. In other words, he doesn't want to lose you to Satan. That's right.

And we know since he has no sin that that's a good jealousy. That's a good jealousy. So then he says, I promised you in verse 2 of chapter 11, 2 2nd, 2 Corinthians. I promise you to one husband, to Christ. I love this now. Because now he's like, they're not even acknowledging Christ as the center of their universe. He's like, I'm saying you're married to Christ, which now when you tie in what he said in chapter 10, one through five, this is from a biblical viewpoint, to what he just said here. Well, immediately, where does this take you in your mind?

What book? Ephesians. Yeah, to Ephesians, five and six. Same letter he wrote, different style, different group of people. But same spiritual warfare. You remember he goes through all the relationships. In Ephesians 5, he gets the husband's. of wives and it's like yeah she she has her role you have her and people have argued about it at

nauseum they miss the whole point he got out in the end and said that's great you know love your wife and and submit to your husband but i'm talking about you being married to christ and so then he's like put on the full armor of god in chapter six which by the way we're all spiritual qualities and armor so then he says you're right people have made that text much more about marriage than what it was for, which was about our relationship with Christ. Which is look. Now look, I know that there's a lot of Jesus loving people who listen to our podcast who are preparing for this upcoming battle in a physical way at the end of time in

their mind. But I just, when you read Ephesians 5 and 6 and you read St. Corinthians 10 and 11 and you look at my shirt that I have on right now, you say, well, wait a minute here. there just seems to be from the way I'm reading this a no doubt a point of reference to put on the spiritual side of this and not the physical. I mean, it takes you back to Acts 1 when the disciples said, well, when are we going to get around to restoring the kingdom of Israel? They were ready to do a war. And people today are still waiting on it.

And I'm proposing that the, you missed it. the war happened and Jesus won and if you're in with him you have become victorious he just said here you're like oh we won oh yeah we won that's right exactly let's hang on jays let's take a bray so then he says we'll talk about that later but he says i promise you to one husband to christ because that's my point if you're married to jesus you want and can you be married to today, yes. And you have the Holy Spirit today right now? Can you have that?

Absolutely. Well, if you have the Holy Spirit of God in you, guess what? You want. You're like, yeah, but I'm going to have to fight another battle. No, it's over. We want it. Now, you can watch them lose, or however that goes down, I don't know. I could care less.

I just don't want to lose. I want to be on the winning team. So that I might present you as a pure virgin to him. Well, that's where we got into the problem, is because, because if you don't acknowledge Christ as the sinner, you're not acknowledging that Christ died for your sins. All your sins are gone. Well, and if you still have them and are still participating in the very thing, he's trying to get to show you that Jesus died for, we have a problem. Yeah.

Because your intimacy and your faithfulness to Christ are your commitment to Christ. That's his point. So I can't turn around and give that to the evil one. You know, I've left that. Exactly. So watch where he goes with this. I think this is interesting. Verse three says,

but I'm afraid that just as Eve was deceived by the serpent's cunning, your minds may somehow be led astray. Because remember, that's what he said, we're taking every thought captive. Because he's like, your minds have been led astray, which is why we don't fight like the world does. This is all happening in your mind.

From your sincere and pure devotion to Christ. They're not being, not only are they not acting like they're married to Christ, they're not devoted to him, and they're not sincere about him. And they're making his life miserable. They're saying, you're just worthless. And he's like, yeah, I'm worthless, but Jesus inside of me makes me worth something. They just missed it.

Right. They have so much pride is the problem. For someone comes to you and preaches a Jesus other than the Jesus we preached. Or if you receive a different spirit from the one you received, which would mean you were a loser. based on what we just talked about. You're on the wrong side. L loser. You're losing.

Or a different gospel from the one you accepted, look, you put up with it easily enough. Yeah. So I don't think I am in the least inferior to those super apostles. So you put those in quotation. So evidently there was some super apostles running around. Running their mouth. With great articulation and professional bullcrapers,

however you want to dumb it down. And he says, that's what the Greek word means as professional bullcrabber. I may not be a trained speaker. So he's getting back to the First Corinthians two, one through five again. But he said, I just want you, I'm just going to preach to Jesus.

That's it. And what I do is a demonstration of the spirit's power. What he said, if that's not the kingdom being here on earth, what else is it? Correct. What are we doing? So there's the,

spiritual warfare. So if I broke it down into two categories, so you have the standards of the world. Now, you can go through chapter 10 through 13, and every time you see the standards they live by, you can compare it to the God's standards. So I'll give you a few. The first one you see from standard of the world is verse 7 of chapter 10. It says you are looking only on the surface of things. Well, that's a common standard of the world. So you, Just think about our world. What is that? In their case, they were just looking at how you look

or how you articulate your speech. Or if you look like you know what you're doing and you sound like you know what you're doing, we're thinking you know what you're doing. When you look at Jesus, I think that's why he said the meekness and gentleness of Christ. If you're looking at this from a worldly view, Jesus does not look that powerful.

I mean, let's face it. What was he? He was a carpenter. Yeah. He didn't have any money. Plus, the one that paved the way for Jesus is one of the raggediest looking dudes you've ever seen in your life. I mean, think about it. Well, how do we do it today?

What are on the surface things? And look, I'm really sorry, but the worldly standards has crept into our lives. Now, in this social media technology world, the number one thing, the number one most important part of, of any trip is what? The picture. The picture. They were taking them last night. I saw everybody's gathering up.

It's not, forget the adventure, which gets back to the metaverse argument. Yep. And look, even my wife, I love her, she's a warrior for the Lord, and she's better person. Uh-uh. But when we go on a trip, we cannot function until we have the picture in hand, documented. it. We have to line up somewhere. And I mean that every function, we took her out for a birthday. Doesn't that? Where are we going to take the picture? We've got to take the picture. We've got to take the picture. I don't like the light here. Oh, well, you take a picture of us. I mean, I was like, do we have to get the picture done before we can celebrate? She went. Yes. It was an obvious answer. That's right. So now I have a verse that I'm going to say, babe, you're only looking at the surface things.

That's right. But I'll tell you right now, it's not going to. change it we're getting that picture and you're right it's so drives everything that especially young people these days on social and we talked about it for it's the self pictures they it is so immersed into what you look like without any depth and so that's how people now judge relationships you are having an excellent explanation why i'm not i somehow knew you you're going to go. My whole point is it gets to the church. A lot of churches out there feel like if they look

like a certain way and the numbers are a certain way and the contribution is a certain way and they have great orators and people look, professional looking, and they have a plan that sounds great. Well, all that's great. If you don't have Jesus at the center of that, that's not real. Because think about the difference. When you think about pictures,

You know, we're talking about doing Colossians, baby, but I think one of the most profound verses in Colossians that says Jesus is the image of the invisible God. There's your picture. Yeah. He is the image of the invisible God. Well, how are you going to have a group of people on the planet Earth that it puts their faith and trust in Jesus? If you don't know exactly what that looks like, and you say, well, what does it look like? Well, it better look like Jesus because he's the image of the invisible God.

If you're going to represent the invisible God, well, that's who is the image. So it's got to be the focus. That's why he's relaying all these, he's relating all these arguments around that fact. Which is, and to your point, let's take another break. To your point, Jay's there was a couple of guys yesterday visited WFR. It was a father and his son. They were from Oregon. So as soon as he tells me they're from Oregon, I said, oh, boy, you know, how's it going up there?

And he's like, well, you know, it's not always easy. But they're believers. but he was telling me since they were just doing a travel cross country. But they had, he said, you know, we got in the South and we have friends here, people know, and they were talking about how many churches there are everywhere and how, you know, people, he said, the way it was described to him was they just kind of fall into like a social club. And, you know, he said, but the guys like me who come from a very unchurched part of our culture, he said, I marvel that people will get together.

See, it's still a wonder to him. And we were talking about that. And I said, you know, you've brought up something interesting. And I think it's to this point, Jay, that it's easy sometimes we get super comfortable like that, that we get surface as well. So, you know, we go to church. We're going to be with people. You know, the language we use is all the idea about then we lose that sort of wonder and awesomeness of who Christ is and why he is. And so we drift right back up to the surface, Jay.

It's just the same thought that you're talking about by not having depth. So what he said in the next verse, after he said, you're only looking on the surface things. He then says, if anyone is confident that he belongs to Christ, he should consider, again, that we belong to Christ just as much as he. Now, you're saying, what's his point? The fact that he's saying, we belong to Christ. We don't belong to ourselves.

The surface of things is, oh, this is my life. I want to present myself a certain way. I want to be a part of something that's, representable and has all that. No, we belong to Christ. That means we've surrendered at some point along the road. So to give you an illustration of what I think, how this is different from the standards of the world's and God's standards in a practical way.

And I think it's kind of funny. So yesterday, before the service started, and you got to remember, this place was packed. They had this women's retreat. They were having Sadie, you know, sheer in that. it was kind of the woman's retreat Sunday, I guess, or whatever. They had the 31 baptism. She was there. They were going to speak or whatever.

We were all just there to participate in it. Well, there was a woman on the front row, and she said, hey, because I thought it started at 9.30, and I got, I mean, I thought it started at 9. And it started 9.30. So I'm there 30 minutes early, which is okay. And I see this woman on the front row, and she says, you look like. those dug people. And I said, I get that a lot.

I said, that's what I was going for. What do you think? She's like, I'm telling you, you look just like them. I was just kind of kidding. And then I was like, yeah, I'm one of the guys. She's like, which one are you? Which, okay, I'll play the game. I'm Jay.

She don't know. And she said, well, I'm here because Sadie's here. And she started getting teary-eyed. She's like, I mean, she's changed my life. Well, when she said she's changed my life, Well, then I thought, no, I've got to say something about this. I was like, well, look, since I'm her uncle, let me just tell you, I know you think she changed your life. But what changed your life was the spirit of God in her that came as a result of her love for Jesus.

Because he's the image of the God. That's what you're drawn to. And she's like, you think? I was like, oh, I know. Yeah. I said, that's what the drug. It's not her because we're all just like ever. As much as we love her, she's just a, you know, she's just a vessel.

So anyway, I tell you that to say, but I'm like, because she said, well, I don't know anybody here. I said, well, you know me now. And you know what's special about Sadie. So, you know, welcome. But one of the sisters heard that conversation that I wasn't aware of. So she found me later. And she's like, you know, we come here and it was great worship, the election. the electricity in that room was amazing.

The speaking was good. Everyone, you know, for the most part, look nice. This is all going great. But she's like, but I thought that was a kingdom moment. That conversation, she said, I'm sorry, but I was eavesdropping on that conversation. And she's like, I love what you were saying about that. Because she was a fan of Sadie, which, look, I'm a fan of Sadie. Yeah.

But Sadie's not going to tell you any different what I told you. It's nothing hot about her. That's what she's doing here. My vessel. Yeah. I said, you're drawn to God. Because I wanted her to know in the world, worldly fame, these movie stars and people that are famous, they're like, oh, you know, look at me.

I was in this movie that made whatever. Yeah, $100 million. Yeah. And then they add that time they act. They'll give you a walk through for the picture. they'll walk through, they stop. Well, yeah. And how many people look?

They'll say, oh, you know, I've heard people say, you know, I was in an elevator and Kevin Custer's in there and he actually nodded at me. And I said, and you're telling me that? That's worthy. You had another human. That's worthy of note. That happened to be on TV that at one time in your life, you were in the elevator and he nodded.

And that became a story. Don't ever tell him by that again. No, I didn't say that quite. That quite unlovingly, but that was my point. A story is when we were in Las Vegas at one time, and we're on the elevator. And of all people, Dad looks over. There's somebody in the corner, I'm not just not even paying attention. And dad said, wow, look, that's old Ted Bundy.

And I looked over, you know, a mass killer, you know. I look over, and it's Mark Harmon who played Ted Bundy in a movie like 10 years earlier. And he looks up at us, you know, because dad recognized that. He said, that's him, ain't it? And he wasn't addressed to him? He was telling me. And I was that, looks like him. And he just kind of grinned at us and nodded.

And then we started having a conversation. But it was so funny because that's old Bundy. There he is right there. That's a story. We're the duck hunters. He said, yeah, my dad duck hunted. He knows y'all. Yeah.

His dad played football at UCLA. But I tell that story because when I went to LSU Texas game, the year we won the National Championship a couple years ago. Thanks for bringing that. We should bring that up every few bucks. We're going, I'm going to my suite. I think I told the story before. But look, the crowd was so big that I got, I was separated from my wife.

I mean, we should have held hands like we were, you know, in junior house. I get on the elevator and I look around. I'm like, that's a, I can't remember his name. Was it McConaughey? Yeah, McConaughey. Oh, yeah. Is it Matthew McCona? Matthew McCona.

All right, all right, all right. Yeah. So I get off the elevator and Mrs. like, were you on the elevator of Matthew McCona? I was like, yeah. She was like, did y'all talk? And I went, nope, he just nodded at it. It's like, I looked over and I thought, like, that guy looks familiar.

Oh, I know who that is. And it's just surprising. He just gave a nodded. And I nodded. Yeah. That was it. Now, I don't know. She's like, well, do you think that he knew you?

And I was like, baby, it was a nod. It could have just been friendly. It could have been, you know. But to my point, we're now. It could have been. Look at that point. man. Going down a rabbit hole of trying to interpret the knot.

Does that mean he knew? And I'm like, babe, we're at a higher standard of that. She's, oh, I know. I was just curious. I mean, I wanted to know. All that you needed to know in that moment is he was a Texas fan and you were in LSU Ben and we won the game. I will admit, at the end of the game, I did have this thought.

I thought, I wonder what Matthew McConaughey's thinking right now. That's right. All right, all right. Oh, no, no. And then it quickly turned to I got to get out of here a lot. That's right. Because there was about 40 fans, and me and you were two of the 40. Oh, yeah.

Yeah, it was definitely there. Let's take a break. Yeah, they were not happy. It was a grumble, you know. Oh, yeah. So I'm not sure where we're at. I want to share. I don't know where we were either, but you brought up a word that I wanted to highlight

because you mentioned the word belong. you know, that we belong. Yeah. And so it made me think about that when I preach First Corinthians 15, he's, Paul said, he's talking about the resurrection of the day. He said, each will rise in his own turn, Christ the first fruits. Then when he comes, those who belong to him. And I love that concept that we as part of the resurrection, we are, I call it the

community of the eternal, because we get it. Holy Spirit lives in us. deposit guaranteeing that eternal life. So it's just this little taste. Well, you're right. The years are different, but when the people that were trying to hone in and outdo the Apostle Paul, and he knew why he had been called, such men are in 1st, 11, 13, such men that they're intrigued with are false prophets, or false apostles, deceitful workmen, masquerading as apostles of Christ. I don't know if that's still going on.

And no wonder, for Satan himself masquerades as an angel of light. Exactly. It is not surprising then if his servants masquerade his servants of righteousness. Their end will be what their actions deserve. I mean, there were some spiritual warfare. What would you call them? That's spiritual warfare. Inside the kingdom, we got some people here.

Well, of course he would. Because in any war, you got spies, you got propagandists, you got everything. Well, that's why he said. He went back to Eve. What happened to Adam and Eve in the Garland of the Service? Cunning. And then, look, just a few, one paragraph later, he then says, the same thing's going on now in the church. Yeah.

Which I think is, when you think, spiritual warfare, there is something that everyone, whether you're a believe or not, acknowledges good and evil working. And it all goes back to those questions in the garden when, and which was Sadie's point yesterday, the evil one was given empty promises that sounded right. There was some truth in it. When he said, oh, well, no, you're not going to die. He knows that once you eat of this, you know, you'll know good and evil. You'll be like him. Well, who doesn't want to be a God? I mean, you'll be like God. How many verses are there where we are supposed to try to be like God? He was taking the same concept. That's right.

But his promise was empty because you did die. They did die. But they didn't think they did. Right. I mean, they were separated. They're like, what happened, all this death stuff? What is this death? So it was, you know, death just means separation. So, So they were separated from God, which what happens when that happens? Bad things. And then one day they no longer allowed either the tree of life and they physically died, which is now why we need Jesus. Right.

It ushered in both concepts in the garden. What's interesting is you talk about that. So Adam and Eve were a part of that, you know, first generation of humanity. They lived a long time on the earth, you know, because you read about all the years of those generations. But so, so death probably didn't seem as real to them. I mean,

you're talking about some of the people were living eight, nine hundred years old. Oh, I think they probably thought, nobody ever talks about that. They thought, what is this death you speak?

Exactly. I don't know what death is. They had never seen anybody die except when Kane got murdered. Oh, you mean, I mean, Abel got murdered by Kaye. Why would I stop working?

You wouldn't think something, if you never, if you weren't familiar with batteries, you would never think your radio would ever go down. If you didn't know anything about batteries. Right.

It just plays music. You just wake up one day and you're listening to a radio. Well, why would you think that the music was going to stop? That's right. And 5,000 years after that event with Adam and Eve, at least 5,000, by my count, 5,000, years later, after the promise was told to Satan, you know, somebody's going to crush your head, the seed of a woman. Jesus appears a long time after that, and then the wages of death.

become very visible. Yeah. Just a slaughterhouse for 6,000 years. I mean, just read through the Old Testament. It's a slaughterhouse. But you think about when you're a kid, the reason you rebel when you get to 12 or 13, I'm kind of being cool here, but follow me here, is because when you're a kid, I remember the first time that I realized you can't do a swan dive off the top bunk.

Because before I did that, I thought, why not? There was no concept of don't do this. This may kill me. Well, right. Oh, there's a light socket there. Watch it. I stuck something. You can't do this?

So there comes a time of your life where you're so frustrated that all the things you can't do and things breaking. And, you know, every little toy I got that, you know, Kay would get from Dollar General, I was just shocked that they would break so quickly, usually within one day. I think that's why it's since the children have flesh and blood, he too, Jesus shared in their humanity so they may destroy those who all their lives were held because of the fear of death. It takes you a while to develop, oh wait, because you think as a kid, because you're innocent, which I don't think that's by accident.

Right. But you have no concept of, of death at that point you feel there's an invincibility really in a in a in no fear of danger you're right it's why eternal destruction teffin oh yeah that's why when you flip the thing and you talk about god comparing it to being born again you had that once you have the holy spirit of god he's bringing you back to that state in a real way you're an adult and you're like oh i am indestructible yeah i am that's why he takes it back to the situation which It's a great thought, the idea of the return of innocence.

Because we always say, you know, you can never get it back. You know, once you've lost your innocence, you can never get it back. But that's really not true. That's right. Because if you really believe that God did what he said he did, you would understand that an innocence does come back to us. We are innocent because of Christ's sacrifice. That's it.

And that's what we are when we appeal to the cross. I never thought about that, does the return of innocence? Without limish, as Colossians. I literally have it in my notes. Now look, I had like 12 things and we did one. So you all were worried about it. Well, good. We got two podcasts to do tomorrow.

Don't be a surface Christian. That's number one. I mean, look, but the bottom line was they were denying the power of Jesus and thus the power of the Holy Spirit to be the focus of their gatherings. And lo and behold, they had corruption going on in their life and a steady died of it. And now he's saying, look, you got to think about this differently on how you're approaching this war, this spiritual battle. So in our last few seconds here, give us the second one, and then we'll talk a little more about it in the unashamed, say. Well, I alluded to it.

Don't look at the surfaces of things. Don't commend yourself. It's verse 12. That's why I told you the story about saying, oh, I came here because, you know, Sadie changed my life. No, you're commending her, but she's not commending herself. Okay. So that's number two. Yeah.

The idea about that, and which, by the way, was a huge problem. As you mentioned earlier in that verse, remember in a 10-12, when, I mean, when he says, like you just said, only compare myself to myself, then I have no standard. It's almost like a sign film. It is. It's funny. Yeah. Let me compare it. Let me sit around and think about.

Myself to myself. To myself. I think I'm better. Yeah, I'm better. I'm better than you. Why? Because I compare myself to myself. So we'll flesh that a little more in the Unashamed Overtime, overtime,

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