Unashamed with the Robertson Family - Ep 473 | Disrespecting Miss Kay, Phil's Outdated Views & Why the Devil Targets American Masculinity

Episode Date: May 6, 2022

Jase appoints Missy as the cloud in their relationship, because he relies on her for technology and her organizational skills. Al and Jase reflect on Phil's only rule growing up: "Don't you ever disrespect your mother." Phil asks why the devil would specifically target masculinity in America, and Jase recalls Phil's younger days, when his philosophy was centered on being physically tough and running barefoot through trees and rocks without showing pain. Phil called the practice, "Who's a man?" And the guys are joined by guest Jarrett Samuels, host of "The Pursuit of Manliness" podcast, to vigorously equip men for the pursuit of biblical manliness. Sign up to watch the Unashamed overtime show, only on BlazeTV: https://BlazeTV.com/Unashamed - Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

I am unashamed. What about you? See what I'm saying? The line of that whole podcast is Phil saying I look rough. I look like a supermodel compared to you, Phil. You're kidding. No. I can say that with full confidence.

I can't wait to go home and tell. I mean, I'm to the point now, if I walk by, if you walk by a mirror, I'm just preparing you, young but when you walk by a mirror and you turn 76, you will not hear any word. It's all you'll hear is coming out of me is, whoa. I'm looking at myself. Well, that's what we're talking about. You know why a woman is, that was quick.

Look, you know why a woman is named woman? Whoa. Whoa, man. When Adam saw her, he went, whoa. Whoa. Good point. Have you heard that before? All right, Al, introduce our guest.

All right, so we have a guest today. And for those of you watching, if you're watching this on YouTube or however you watch our podcast, we finally found a guy that fits in here. I mean, you look like this. I mean, I'm not saying you look rough because you look just like these two. So is that? Yeah, but you don't look like you fit in. Correct.

I bathe and wear deodorant and shave and, you know. I bathe every Saturday. Come sleep. Whether you need it or not. Once a week. That's just gross. In the shower. So we have Jared is on here with us.

He's a pastor from Indianapolis. So, and you have a podcast called the, which you send me an email. Wait a minute. Indianapolis, Indiana. Yep, yep. I've been there many of town. I've done events around there. Yeah.

Were you familiar with that? That you were there? No, probably not. No. Indiana is like, of all the states where I've been, I would say besides Louisiana is my favorite place to you. Because I love the people. They are great people.

They are fantastic. They love the Lord. Yeah, but you're not from Indiana, right? We're from originally Southeast Iowa. We came from Cedar Rapids, Iowa. And I say God has a sense of humor because we're not really city people, and we live in one of the biggest cities in America. So there we are for about six years.

That is fun. How many? What's the population of Indianapolis? I think it's like 15 million or something. I could be wrong, but it's big. I'm on it. Is that where the capital is? It is.

Yeah. Yeah. No, Indiana is a great state. Jason's right. I love it. Audiences are always so, you know, into us and what we're doing back from the show or not even now. I mean, they're very engaged, which is really good. I get a lot of really interesting and good notes from people, you know.

I'm having trouble spelling Indianapolis. It's like Indianapolis. I wonder they got that name, Indianapolis. Well, it's Indiana. Would it be Indians? Did it come from Indians? No, it's 977,000. Oh, well, it's close to $15,000.

Well, you were. You missed it by that. Boy, there are. I don't think there's any way it's a man that knows this town. I think there's $177,000 in my neighborhood. I don't think that. 977. 977?

Okay. 970? But you know what? It feels like $15 million. Hey, is this not a classic preacher? You talk about expand the number. How many do you have last Sunday? It's supposed to round up.

Well, I think we had about 10. thousand. Fifteen million. I'm back at math. I didn't take math. I'm going to get a second opinion here. I went to Bible College. I didn't take that.

So Jared's podcast is not the pursuit of math. Math. It's the pursuit of math. Well, now this, now I've looked at a second opinion that says two million. Uh-oh. We're getting there. Now, you're getting there. But you know what it is?

So they say in New Orleans, you know, we know it's about a million people in all of the area around New Orleans. But actually in the city, there's a lot. only like 200,000 in the city of New Orleans. But when they count where everybody left the city and, you know, mandible and everything around. Yeah. So it's probably like that. There are no, no, except for New Orleans, I guess. And it's not gigantic.

But Louisiana, we don't have gigantic. We only have four million people in the whole state. Yeah, not many people. So, yeah, we're in one of the five population centers here, believe it or not. You've been here. You've been here for 24 hours. That's right. Not exactly a bustling, you know, situation.

we got they saw the paper mail you know so that's oh yeah well i see the discrepancy in the numbers it's like inside the certain place is 977000 but then when it says the surrounding metropolitan yes surrounding area two two million so is your church in in one of the suburbs or yeah we're in northeast part of indy so it's actually a castleton area i was going to ask you if you knew the nickname but you did because you just use it indy it's well i call it circle city. Some people don't like that. That was a nickname at one point. Really? Well, the racetrack. Oh, yeah. Yeah. I always forget about that. That's kind of what it was known for, really,

for a long time, was the race. Oh, yeah. Do you ever, have you ever been? No. No. Not a big, crowd guy, so no, I don't go down there. But once again, you fit in here beautifully. But heaven's going to be crowded, but not. Maybe not. Maybe I'll have plenty of room to roam around. We've got the whole universe. And narrow roads pretty thin, so yeah, I don't know. I went to one car race, but it made me dizzy. It just going around in circles. Yeah. It was kind of a joke.

I got it. I got it. A lot of deer hunters and duck hunters. What's the most of the hunters up there? North and south of there. You get outside of Indy, it's pretty flat, pretty rural. So, yeah. A lot of big deer there, I'm sure.

Like everywhere else in the Midwest. They have monsters, you know, compared to. There are ducks there, right? There are some ducks. We got them in our backyard. Can't shoot them in the, The HOA doesn't let you do that, but there are some ducks. Here we go.

Indiana just moved down the list. HOA problems. Welcome to my world. That's our only HOA we've ever had. We said, we'll never do it again. We'll never, never do that again. Oh, man, HLAs are a killer. Well, I got involved in one and didn't know it.

So, until they called me in on the carpet. And then you had trouble. So I just, I actually won because I went national with the show when we did our little scene. And embarrassed them all. One of my favorite little funny offscenes that was in there. And I don't know if mom just did it or somebody fed it to her. But whenever they were having little HOA meeting and Jace stands up and does his speech. Well, I was based on a true story.

I know, I know. He reenacted. But what I love about is mom had brought some food and she goes over and takes it. She said, I'm not leaving this with these people and leaves with her. That was funny. I mean, that was like it was very much, you know, a mom thing to do. Well, I think that's what people do in the South are they offending. That's right.

I'm not leaving my food. Yeah. You go potluck and then you say, no. That's pretty funny. So you got a podcast, which, so you reached out to me. How did you know about me? Did you listen to a podcast? What's the name of the podcast?

The podcast is the pursuit of mailiness. And it was born in a season where, boy, God distributes cubed my life and was moving things around. I didn't feel like I possessed a lot of manly skills. I had we just had a son. I had two daughters. I knew number one, just protect them. That was the main thing. But the son, that felt different. And boy, God just used some things to really get my attention. And I did it anonymously for, I don't know how long. And I remember telling my wife one day, I said, hey, I think I'm, I think about starting this thing, the pursuit of malignness and whatever. And I thought she'd be just really enamored with her husband had finally come home. And, you know,

kind of like when the Grinch brought the tree back to Whoville, you know, they were just, And she said, if you want to work on your manliness, our toilet's leaking right now. And I thought, that is not the response I was looking for. But she's right. Yeah, exactly. You need to do things, right? And so I was a children's pastor at the time in Iowa. It was, again, anonymous.

When I came to Indiana, I felt like I need to tell the leadership, like, this is what I'm, what's starting to happen. And they were good with it. So. Yeah. Which is really interesting because I know from being a pastor myself and working that it's, sometimes it is, They want all your attention in the one spot, which I get it. You know, they're paying you're there. But at the same time, I've realized now once you're out there and impact and beyond just the walls of your place, that that's a much bigger thing that God calls us to.

I wish more were allowed to do that, to be honest with you. If you use it in the right way, which we're trying to do, you can reach a ton of people. We have people come through all the time who've heard the podcast or at our retreat or whatever and will come to church or, you know, whatever. So absolutely. It opens the door, just like Dad was describing like our podcast is. So you sent me an email to be on your podcast. Is this the first time? First time?

Yes. Yep. So how did you know, had you heard the podcast or was it from the, how did you know to reach out to me? Well, the weird thing was, I didn't know. You're just a stalker, Tara? A little bit, a little bit, yeah. I didn't know you guys were doing this in, like, 2019.

I just took a break from podcasting. I was just kind of tired and didn't do anything for a month or so. And I came across the theft of America's Soul on Amazon. I bought it. I didn't know CRTV. I didn't know Blaze. I didn't know any of that stuff. So once I did that, I went to find out what it was,

bought the subscription, found you guys started listening. And that's when I found out about your book, Desperate Forgiveness. And I thought, man, we need to have this conversation. This is something that... Oh, is my, our book.

I'm glad we have this conversation because I didn't know anything he just said either. That's right. At 2019, I didn't even know there was a podcast. I didn't know what that was. Me either. I called a meeting flying along on an airplane. I said, I know I've never owned a computer.

and I've never turned on the internet. I said, but I out, I said, talk to you and old Zach, I said, I know this is going to surprise y'all. I said, but if the apostle Paul had had the internet, he would have used it. I said, it's quicker. So, but what we have here, people come from all over the United States. We convert them, pouring by Jesus, and they're on their way, they leave. if they all stayed, we wouldn't have enough room. We would need a bigger structure.

Well, you had less people back in. But the structure on the side of the road is too slow. It's, of course, I'm slow to learn about computer ideas because I say, you know, well, people, because the structure on the road, people think that they'll just come turn themselves in, which doesn't happen very often. Not very often. So we basically are infusing. a percentage of America's population, and they come from all over the world.

Actually, you know, we've had them there. Where are you from? Samoa. I said, as in American Samoa outside. We're just up. No, we're talking about Samoa, Missouri. I said, just up from New Zealand. And they said, that's where we're from.

And I had two, and within a couple of weeks, it came from American Samoa, it's an island in the middle of nowhere. But so you never know where the gospel is reached. Were they big people? Were the Samoans big people? Because most of the ones I've seen from Samoa, I mean, they grow some large people in Samoa. Yeah, one of them had a, what we did, the islands over there, all those islands. Yeah.

He had that look. Yeah. But the other one was a guy who was probably in the military from America serving, and he ended up in Samoa. Well, what are you doing on your podcast? So you talk about, how does it give us a typical podcast? Well, we just, sometimes I'm a pastor, so I'm not sure on. things to talk about. So sometimes it's me. Sometimes it's interviews of people. We have three episodes. We have a Monday, which is typically an interview, somebody that I'm talking to through

Zoom or whatever. Wednesday, we have a thing called a quiet life, and we just focus on just living a quiet life, working with your hands, mind your own affairs. Oh, you'd like that. First Thessalonians, 4-11. That's the most quoted problem. Mind your own business, work hard, so that you won't be a pendant on anywhere. Jared has swerved into the fill zone. And our guys, they love that stuff. I mean, that's the type of men that the Lord is sending to pursue them alienliness in the community. And then on Friday, it's just called out in the garage because the whole thing started out in the corner of the garage. And so it's just me talking through scripture.

That's it. So those are three podcast episodes each week. So, and Jared, well, after our podcast today, so Dad and I are going to be on his podcast for one of your interview day. So that was, and we said we were quid pro quo because you could be on ours. What's interesting is, you may find this a little interesting that before I met Jesus, I thought no further than manhood. So I had a saying for about 10 years, and by the way,

don't ever go down this road because the road I was on led to death. But my mantra was when they would come up and look and say, what's with the bare feet in the middle of the wintertime and you're out here with no boots on? You're going barefooted. My saying always was the same thing. Who's a man?

and, you know, there we go down through the woods, you know. So I just wanted to make a point, but I was off track because I didn't know that a real man has a connection with God Almighty, which I didn't. So what I was lacking with who's a man was that I was not the kind of man that was approved by God. And then you started masculinity and men, men, a strength or weakness. You know, what does God in the Bible say about this matter? you start reading through these scriptures and all of a sudden you're like uh that's the kind of man i need to be i need to be a man of god almighty i left him out of the equation so you were bad move you were typical dad let's take a break you were typical of what a lot of times especially young men

see as manliness and it's it was all about physicality that's right running wide open competing was not there then you pass that on to us because i heard that phrase who's a man which I didn't know you were going to talk about that. But my take from a spiritual perspective is, I don't know, this may have been something you've already covered or thought about. But you remember, so the Lord, he made Adam first, and Eve came along,

and he gave the responsibility to Adam because he was formed first. You know, you have that verse in First Timothy, too. Right. And so he's in his house, which is a guard. pardon and I believe he was supposed to be protecting Eve from the evil one. Yeah. Because here comes the evil one. And you remember, it all went south.

He didn't do his job. But then there's a question that I've often pondered, but I just thought about since we were going to be talking about manhood when I read this again. So after the sin happened, remember the blame shift started happening in Genesis 3A. Immediately. Yeah. Then the man is why. heard the sound of the Lord God as he was walking in the garden in the cool of the day,

and they hid from the Lord God among the trees, which were supposed to be the blessings. Right. It's almost like they're hiding in church or hiding in their house. Yeah. And so in verse 9, instead of this as opposed to who's a man, the Lord God called to the man, where are you? I mean, just think about that. Where is the man?

Because you knew, he knew where he was. Yeah. So why is he asking the question? He's hiding in the bushes. Where's the man? It's like when your kid did something and you knew what they did and you said, where have you been? You already know. Yeah.

Where's the leadership? Yeah. Where's the responsibility? I really believe that that is the point. Yeah. Where's the main? Just put that, apply that to our culture. I mean, you look around, especially in our, these bigger cities. We were talking about big city. Yeah. Where's the man? Yeah. Where are you, man? Yeah. Yeah. Because I mean, when you back up and see the Lord God, you know, in verse 15 of chapter 2, it says he took the man and he put him in the garden, uh-oh, to work it and take care of it. He gave him a job. That was the first thing that happened. And while you're there, our culture, you say, where's the man?

God's looking for it. Where's the man? Well, look at what happened in America when all of the people. when all of a sudden we became a gigantic, fatherless culture. You said, where's dad with the belt in his hand? And he's going out there. He said, well, what's going on? What time out?

Everybody laughs. Well, that's being mean. We're responsible. We follow you for you. You know, when we were in high school, they had one of the coaches that walked around with a board in his hand. Hey, look, I'm not that old. and I got whipped by two principals. Two, not once, twice.

And why we had that, somebody said, that was brutality. I was in a public school. Let's see, what did they say? God made us male and female physically, you know, and all of a sudden the attack starts on toxic masculinity. Yeah. Because the fathers are making sure that everybody understands,

I'm the head of the household. this is my help meet, my wife, but that got all screwed up. And when it did, and this is happening about from the 60s until now, all of a sudden, since they did not think it worthwhile, retained the knowledge of God all the way up, and Dad is not there anymore. And the fatherless, as you can tell, the crime rate is out the roof, just, I mean shooting, burning, looting, spray can grown men 20 years old 18 to 20 it's got spray cans of paint

f everybody that's where we are now so boy does it ever need to be met manhood has flown away just in my lifetime on planet earth I've watched it fly away and I'm like what in the world that's when I said you know I know this sounds crazy get me on the internet let's let's warn them that's warn them and hopefully they'll listen but that's what Jason, to further your point, look at his answer. Where are you? Well, I was afraid because I was naked.

Now, he's been naked the whole time. So obviously, sin has changed the equation, but the first thing is I was afraid. Well, if you go back to 216, I mean, he gave him a job, and you all, y'all have heard them preacher jokes or whatever. Because, I mean, it is interesting, he says that, because, I mean, we all know if there's no finance, there's no romance. You know? Amen.

I mean, it's just the truth. And it doesn't mean that women can't work or whatever. But I think his point was, you have responsibility here. And not just he had a job, he's like, and to be good at it. He's like, and to take care of it. But then he said

verse 16, I think to your point now, he said, and the Lord God commanded, you commanded the man. You are free to eat from any tree. the garden but you must not eat from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil for when you eat of it you will surely die so back once that has happened and he didn't fulfill his responsibility he's like well i heard you in the garden i was naked and i was afraid so i hid but my point is

i think when he established a man he gave him a job he gave him responsibility but he also gave the decree of, I don't want to say rules, because it was actually a more positive thing. You're free to eat all this. I mean, he was like, live it. I mean, I'm giving you a job, I'm giving you all these blessings. But I think the important part there is that he was saying, I'm the standard by which you make decisions.

This is not your own reasoning. And you're not going to come up with a plan yourself. I'm the standard. because, I mean, it is hard to know what to do, when to do, and how to do it. But I think if you have God's plan and his authority as your standard, and you realize you're responsible to protect your house and to provide, no matter how that manifests itself in real life, then you're ready for the woman.

Here she came. Yeah. And not to do anything other than complete you at a higher level. and it's not based on superiority or anything like that. We're just different, and we have a responsibility. They have a responsibility. I think that's the way it was set up. I think you go back to Genesis 1-27, you're creating the image of God.

If Satan can do anything, he's going to tear apart anything that bears the image of the creator. Genesis 126, we were to have dominion over the fish of the sea, birds of the air, everything that moves on the ground. The animals are well aware of that decree has gone out, that stay away from humans. about be fruitful and multiply. That isn't just in childbearing. It's to give more than you take. Men should be giving more than they consume. That's just part of our nature. And then you talk about Genesis 215 to work and keep what's been entrusted to you. You've been given a wife, give her back to the Lord better than you received her, children, etc. And then if you do marry, you marry a woman and you leave your father and mother and you hold fast to your wife and you have a

covenant between God and her. And forget how you look, talk, what you do for a living, whatever. if you can take those five things in Genesis 1 and 2, you'll do well. You'll be okay. I agree. And I think that was God's plan. And it wasn't like he didn't let the man do anything. He's like, you get to name stuff. That's it, basically.

He's like, don't eat the trip. But he's like, hey, you can, you'll have dominion. So name the stuff. Well, and there was also, let's face it, it had to have been that season before Eve came along, was also for him to realize that. He was incomplete. I mean, that's why that season was there. Because remember he said, you know, what are you doing?

Have you found a companion among every there? No. And he said it wasn't good for man to be alone. Exactly. And even, well, a lot of people, they don't like that first because there's like, oh, he's saying, I can't be single. But no, I mean, you need some accountability. And so you can be responsible.

And even if you're not married, you still need accountability, whether it's brothers or father figures or grandma. Right. It's not good to try to go out there and do life by yourself. I mean, I'm famously called Lone Wolf, but I get it. I need interaction. I need people holding me accountable, you know. But when I met my wife, well, now, okay, I needed this.

I ran away from seeing y'all, you two, and the one beneath you, Willie. I pull back when they said, are you going up there when she has the best? baby. I said, I can't help her with that. That's the doctor between her and the doctor, whatever. I'm backing out of that. You've grown since then. Yeah, well, and then I said on the fourth one, when Jep came along, I said, okay, let me just go find out what these women are down here for. So I'm sitting there watching the doctor and that woman of mine and she's having her baby. and when the baby came forth from her loins, I'm standing there saying,

I have a change of heart. I salute all women worldwide after watching that. I said, because I don't want any part of that. Oh, man. The birth of a son to me all of a sudden took on a meaning. I said, man, these women, they have it rough. So I asked the question.

It changed my life. life. And it, right. And you've noticed that. And you also thought things would never work again. Yeah. Let's take a break. Oh, I said, my sex life is over after watching that. But I got over in about a month. Let's take a break. It was rough. Let's take a break. I think it's actually six weeks, yeah. Yeah, well, my dad. Oh, six weeks, whatever. So, so I brought up in the, in the overtime, I brought up the idea about sort of one of the attacks in our culture has been towards. gender. And so I think it's interesting as we start out here and look at Genesis 3, it was easy to see in the completion of humanity. Because let's face it, man was incomplete, just man. So when woman comes along, humanity now is complete, you know, anatomically, you know,

emotionally, spiritually, all of it. In the image of God, man and woman, complete humanity. So to me it makes sense that the evil one has tried to attack that from the very beginning. He introduced sin, and the sin trick was you'll be like God, to Jason's point earlier, that idea that we can be in control of our own destiny. But really, let's face it, the evil one wants to destroy the work of the Almighty. And what better way to do it than the basics of humanity? He's the father of murder and lies. and I mean he's hoodwink the human race. If you think about it, if you destroy the family and to have the family, you have your different roles.

I mean, you have the husband, the wife, and the children. Doesn't mean you can't. I mean, Paul wasn't married, right? And he was serving God. But he set up this family, which would transform into the idea of a forever family. Correct. Which goes back to what I said on why Jesus, I've been on this. here lately. Why did Jesus as a resurrected being, why did he have those fish? Why did he have a,

why did he have a meal on the bank of the Sea of Galilee with these disciples? Why would he do that? I mean, there was, he wasn't eating the fish to stay alive. He just came back. That's why we eat. I mean, we, we enjoy eating right. But we, we, we, if you don't eat after a while, and it's okay to fast, but after a while, you will die if you do not eat. So why is an imperishable, immortal being who has proven

that he can beat death? Why is he having this moment with his disciples eating fish? I mean, it has to be love. It has to be the idea of our forever family, because that's what you do as a family. You get together and you have meals and you have your friends over,

and I think he was giving you a picture of that. Well, if you can break that down, because that's where it all starts. Right. You break down from a, from a, spiritual warfare perspective, you break down that family dynamic, the whole thing's going to crumble. And if you notice, and most people never bring this up, while Jesus was on the earth, there was a group, I think it's John that brings it up. I think it's John. One of them does.

He brought up the fact that there was a group of women that took care of their needs, meaning, you know, you're camping out, you know, two-thirds of your life. You're in the middle of some rocks. They go in a quiet place to get away. But he had those women in there cleaning their clothes, washing their clothes, preparing meals. They were with them the whole time. Actually, they supported the whole thing.

They supported. That's where the money came from. Yeah, remember the woman giving the bottle of perfume? Where'd she get it? I guess she's working, you know? Right. That's what I'm saying. it's just not the narrative.

Even people in the church, I think, has missed it somewhat, because in some churches, because they view a lot of times Jesus just looks almost like they took all his power away, you know, because he humbled himself and died, and they're like, oh, well, you know, there's no power. But then when you read 1st Corinthians 15, you know, he mentioned this about Adam

when he said 1521 of them. You know, we just studied First St. Corinthians, but he says, for since death came through a man, because Adam obviously didn't do his job. Now, I mean, there's no doubt that Eve was the one that sinned, but

why is God saying, where were you? Right. And he's making a point. Because, you know, later on in 1 Timothy 2, he said, you know, it was Eve that sin, but why is he saying, where were you? Why did he start with Adam? Yeah.

So it's kind of reminds. It reminds me of, I mean, this is not, you know, in stone. I'm just saying it reminds me like when I would come home and my kids had broken into a fight or whatever, I usually went to the oldest and said, hey, why didn't you step in here? You were made first. You've been here longer. You should know better. You should know.

But he says in 21, since death came through a man, the resurrection of the dead comes also through a man. Now, you're talking about a man. Watch what he's fixed to say here. For as an Adam all die, so in Christ all will be made alive. But each in his own turn, Christ's the first fruits. Then when he comes, those who belong to him. And so my point is, you want to know the power? I mean, we're talking about Jesus is indestructible, immortal.

He's coming back. And for everybody that thinks, oh, well, this y'all are just so. you're weak because you humble yourselves. And those are, I think, strengths that are hard to do because it's in our nature not to be vulnerable. But we do it for the kingdom and for God's love. But don't ever doubt, when you talk about strength, I'm going to be resurrected from the dead. And you can't get any more strong than that. Imperishable, immortal.

I mean, the chickens are coming home to roost that had a day. If it powers what you're after, I'm going with someone that's imperishable immortal. I mean, you can work out until you die. Then what? You're not going to accomplish the power that we have in Jesus. Right. Which gives me confidence, is what I'm saying. I'm looking, we're talking.

You and I, you out of Indianapolis, Oakland, Indiana, but these are two of my children. Well, when you're talking to your children about spiritual matters, when they're in their 50s going towards sick. You see what I'm saying? Well, I've just been sitting there watching this whole thing unfold. But I look back at their training phase. If I had not been there, if there had been no me there, no father, I'm telling you they wouldn't be sitting there probably speaking about Bible verses. It's training. And if the father's not there,

and take back you add that to their mother you know one of the ways to have a belt on your butt is to disrespect your mother that was number one on the list never disrespect your mother and i stayed too by that because she had the ability to say they they disrupted me they well you need the accountability i'm like who did right or wrong you need to be humbled you know that's right well you just need that and in that humility i mean i mean that humility i mean And he's got to be there, the father. In that humility, dad, and training us and teaching us by having a dad, that admittedly, you said, I was all the wrong things until I got introduced to Jesus.

Then I tried to do the right thing. So because of that, because of that humility on your part, now you trained us to not be disrespectful of our wives, of my daughters, my granddaughters. I mean, the whole idea is now I'm a patriarch. I've got three generations. But that's how you pass that on. Let's face it, in America, that's the biggest thing missing in whole groups of our population. They have no idea. They're not being taught that.

Hang on one second. Let's take a break. God's still asking that question to every man. Where are you? That's right. Each one of us has to identify you. That's correct. To find your reality.

Where are you? And so you understand, I'm going to be a man of presence. When I walk into an environment, I want to add value, not arrogance. I can take out garbage. I can do the dishes. I can pray if needed or I can, whatever. But every man. has to realize God has asked you that question, where are you?

Yes, right. And with training, you say, well, y'all visited my home this morning early in the morning. So in this case sitting there, you know, you say, well, probably though, when no one's looking, y'all are going, yeah, yeah, no good, outburst, cursing, and care. No, no, none of that. You say, all that's gone away, gone away. Just train yourselves to know the difference between good and evil. No outbursts of cursing and drunkenness and hollering and jumping and being mean.

No. No, we're like, no, just steady as she goes. Now we're in our 70s. We're like an old man and woman now. No, you are an old man, not like. Yeah, and I looked up one day and I said, boy, that was quick. It was like last night, I was sitting on the couch reading this, jotting down. I mean, I was thinking we're talking about being men.

I thought, where's the man? I just, I'd never thought about it. I read those, like, where's the man? Where's the man? Well, then I heard the sound of it sounded like throw up hitting the floor. You know, you know that same. Oh, that's not a good sound. And I thought, because we have a baby now who throws up a lot.

And I heard Missy saying, ooh, ooh, ooh, and I just was hearing that splatter. And I thought, where's the man? I got up, went to the paper towels, I went in there. And I mean, I'm telling you. How could a child that small put that sort of fluid out? And you chose to basically take this child in when I asked girl in prison. Yeah, because I look, because in that situation, that's where I was called. I mean, your child is not your flesh and blood, so why did you step in?

Because I thought, where's the man in this situation? The woman is in jail. That won't work. So, you know, we get a call. and I basically lived out. Where's the man? Somebody's not doing their job, so we're going to step up in the gap,

which I don't know why I had heard that, but I remember a sermon I'd heard about standing in the gap. And I wrote it down. Ezekiel 22, 30. Yeah. Have you read that? It's a straight, look, it's a rated art chapter.

You can read it in your old. Ezekiel what? Yeah. But some verses in there, look out. That's in the Bible. Yeah, there's one. I'm sure people are going to be like, hmm. All right, read it on your own time.

It'll be read now. But in Ezekiel 2230, this was the final analysis because judgment was coming on Jerusalem. Right. And the Lord gives you the reason why. It was a bad thing. Bad scene. Yeah, you want to say any, you're more of the history than I am, Al. It's a bad scene.

But he says in verse 30, and I'm skipping to this, this is like going to the final paragraph of a book, but we're doing it. He says, I looked for a man among them. Now remember, this is the reasoning why judgment was coming, who would build up the wall and stand before me in the gap on behalf of the land so I would not have to destroy it, but I found none. I will pour out my wrath.

So I thought, man, what a bad thing in our society when you can't find one man to stand up in the gap. That's right. So here we have a situation in the world. I believe that God made all humans. You've knitted together in their mother's womb. And you have this structure in place to care, protect, provide, offer love. So we're standing. I'm trying to stand in the gap.

By the way, Jay, to just finish that last point. So I got on my knees with a roll of paper towels and started cleaning up vomit. And look, Missy said, yeah, babe, you don't have to do that. I mean, it almost made her uncomfortable that I just quickly got up. And I, so you know what I said? I said, I didn't want you saying, where's the man? She just looked at me bewildered like, what is? She didn't know you're working on your lesson.

I was like, where's the man? I'm right here and I'm cleaning up because, look, I just read First Christonet's 15 about the resurrected Jesus. But he also did another thing is he sacrificed. And that's why in Ephesians 5 when it said, hey, love your wife like Christ loved the church. So I think it's the combination. Yes, there's a power because we know we're going to live forever and we're going to be eternal. We're going to be an eternal man. That's exciting.

That's powerful. But we also are willing to sacrifice for the family at hand. That's all I was going to say. Pretty good because I found a note that had been placed in my Bible. I didn't place it there. And on my way to find an Ezekiel, the text you went into, I ran up on this note. And someone had slipped this note in.

And lo and behold, it's my woman, my wife. And she says, it's okay to be embarrassed when you are giving all the glory to God. And she puts her name, Kay Robertson, like I didn't know who wrote it, you know. But she sent me a little note, it's okay to be embarrassed. And I thought about it.

I said, wonder what she's talking about. Because they're doing a movie. They're doing a movie of my life. And I said, they said, aren't you really proud of that? I said, oh, I am very much embarrassed for what's going to come out of that movie. Because it's the rough patch. Yeah. So, and she would just want to give me a few words of encouragement.

That was nice. Look, it's okay to be embarrassed. And she knew the one place to get a note to you where you'd find it was in your Bible. Really, we're all embarrassed about that today. Jace on your behalf. Your mother wrote that note for your dad. Some men would never find the note because they don't get the mother. She buried it in Ezekiel.

They're not looking in the script. That's right. I mean, look. She might should have put it in John or somewhere. There's a lot of people are thinking. I mean, I told Missy a couple weeks ago because I couldn't remember something that I should have remembered. And I said, look, you're going to have to start operating as the cloud of our relationship. All the information.

The cloud. Well, you don't, you know. How are we going to explain the cloud? There's a place where all the information. It's called the cloud, Dave. It's called the cloud where data is kept. What verse is that? This is second opinions of the Internet.

But go ahead with you with your point. So my point was that because I'm not, like when you talked about your segments about the garage and fixing thing, my manhood now i i've got some good qualities i can be seen as a man from a distance i like that and uh i can provide especially in the outdoor world meals and stuff but fixing things terrible i mean she if something breaks she fixes it yeah now the first 10 years i tried to fix it only to make it worse and it was a fine unfortunately that was a gift or lack of gift we got for dad because dad can't really fix much either. Just we don't have that skills.

I can't fix anything and I can't remember anything. Right. So I'm like, you're going to have to pick up the slack in our relationship because those are two embarrassing qualities that I can't remember anybody's name. I can't remember where I've been. So let's take a break. So dad, you asked about the cloud. So who was the first man to download files from the cloud using a tablet?

tablet. It's got to be somebody that was a spiritual man. Moses. Moses. First man to download files from the cloud using a tablet. Phil doesn't get it because he doesn't know what the cloud is or a tablet. He knows Moses. Yeah.

Cloud. Yeah. That was from one of our listeners sent me that. I don't think we should have the Internet intervention cloud software with Phil. Yeah, probably won't work. Maybe Jared could do some. I don't know. My background's not there.

Well, mine's not. either, but I kind of figured it out. Well, Jason, I was there when you was telling your story, which was admirable. I'm glad you were the man. If I had done the same thing, then we would have heard that same sound with a much bigger volume of everything I had. I didn't bring that up, but guess what? About 20 seconds in it, I went through.

She said, what's wrong? And I said, I'm gagging. She's like, over that, then we got into an argument. Oh, yeah, there you go. Babe, it's a reflux for him. It's a reflex for me. I'm the same way. Just, oh, smells.

What are you going to say that? I was just going to say something, but let it be. Boy, why I'm just going to say? Provert 14, I think it is. He says, the fool says in his heart, there is no God. Without a father, if you have a father, but there's no God there. there's no connection on how that flows down to the children that you had.

Without God, how are you going to train them to do what? To be what? You see what I'm saying? Oh, yeah. That's Psalms 14. Yeah, Psalm 14. If you leave God out of the equation as a father, how in the world are they going to get the information? Well, and that's...

That's a good verse, Phil, because I looked it up. Because I knew it said something about men there. It says, the fool says in his heart, there's no God, they're corrupt, deeds are vile, there's no one who does good, because you don't have a standard for right and wrong. But verse 2 says, the Lord looks down from heaven on the sons of men to see if there are any who understand, any who seek God. That's my point. And I think that is the point about seeking, being open-minded enough as a man, part of our, what we can offer is to be open.

to ideas which God is the best idea. But I mean, some people are just not even open to it. I mean, they come out of the womb and they're like, hey, I'm a man. Discipline comes from family structures that at the heart of all of it, he has to be there, the standard of conduct, interaction. If God's not there, where are you going to go? That's what's happened to America. They rely on each other to come up with all these schemes and this and that.

another he said where's where's where's any teaching about god i mean that's sign 14 if he read the whole whole chapter there that's what he's talking about right there well it's like i thought about the last decade we've had the quote unquote me too movement which shows men taking advantage of women in positions of power which is probably what happened oh it's there's no i mean there's no doubt this revolt of getting away from gender happened because even people in the church have abused women women. You know, it is. They just look out of my sex objects. Right. But my thinking is we were me too way before now, of a sudden, because we're like, I've, I've always wanted to treat a woman with respect and dignity. And my wife, she's my wife. Why would I want to be abusive to her and treat

her terribly? Or even if you're dating as a Christian, you should, this woman's a daughter of the almighty God. Like, we were doing me too way forward. They were like, whether you have responsibility to protect the innocent. Well, I was, I was doing some premier. Marital Counseling with a couple, and she said, first of all, I don't do the word submit. And I said, well, that's a Bible word. We'll get to that later. And so, but she's, but she's right. Because if you have a bad view of what submission looks like, none of us want to submit to that. So I said, let's start with Ephesians 5-1, be imitators of God. If we can get that right, we can submit to anybody. And so as we begin to understand that, you know, I said, my wife is inferior to nobody. You know, and like, you talk about childbirth and every other area of life. Like, my kids are blessed to have a mother. but they're also blessed to have a father. And together we help each other.

Ultimately get to heaven, but also our children get to heaven. And so if we focus on the bad words or the things that are negative and you've had some bad experiences with that, then you say, well, I don't want no part of that. But if you get back to Scripture. They look at submit and automatically they think meanness. Absolutely. I wouldn't submit to that. Yeah.

Yeah. There's been throughout my, however many years I've been in the Lord, there's always been a bunch of verses in the Bible that made me uncomfortable at stages of my life. And what I realized is once I started seeking and having an open mind and having a better understanding, there was nothing to feel uncomfortable. That's right. And that was one of them. I was thinking, I mean, why do we have to, why do they have to submit? I mean, that doesn't seem right.

Because in my mind, I was thinking submission as in, I am, man, you will bow down when I enter. We never said that we're in our house, submit, but we also don't talk about divorce or any of those. other things either. Yeah, exactly. Well, because you think about Jay's from a competitive nature where, you know, you're competing with another person and you want to force them into, you know, you will submit to me, I'll conquer you. But that's, that's, we're not understanding the character of God at all.

And it takes time. And I think it's okay. I mean, the first few months of our marriage, you know, I was totally in the wrong. I was like, this is what we're going to do. This is how we're going to do it. You're laying down the... Laying that. And then when I got to part, this is why I had a few verses down there.

I was like, okay, I'm the man. So tell us there, we had a little bit of time here on the podcast. Some of the things you've seen through your ministry and podcast that have kind of been victories in people's lives. I mean, just tell us something about that because I want people to go and check it out. And also tell people how they can get to it. Well, I should say it started in the garage, not because I'm handy, because there's no more room in our house. So that was, I'm not handy at all, but through the corner of a garage, you know, this podcast, getting to talk to guys like yourself and others who love Jesus, just trying to tell people about him. Man, we got military and first responders all over the country in the world who listen to this thing.

And I'm not. I'm neither one of those guys, but I love them. We got people across the globe who are listening. And so through that, we started a discipleship community called Tribe, six-month community. We read the Bible. We have, you know, I mean, it's hard to get men to the church at the same time. can get on Zoom and other things. So we're using technology for the glory of God.

And we talk about we're just redeeming it for the kingdom and, you know, just retreats and stuff like that. That these things that start online, for a lot of guys, they're a safe space. It's safe to listen to you guys from a distance. This makes people nervous. But once they develop that trust, there's a brotherhood there. There's an accountability there. There's the guy that will drive countless miles to sit with you or whatever it is.

So just seeing how the Lord works through a corner of a garage is pretty fascinating. We're kind of with you on that because if you get it down to where they use the phrase, you go to church for two hours, and then when you walk out the door, that's all done until the next appointed time. A week later, you say there's a lot of hours between Sunday to Sunday that we're not, you have to be this way, Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday, Friday, and Saturday, you are aware of what you just intimated. You said you have to be on your guard

and you have to live a godly life before Jesus all the time. Well, that would settle a lot of the friction that's inside these homes, even people among the church. They just don't practice it Monday through Saturday. They have to understand. We are the church. This going to church and then we're done and don't look back to the following week.

You said, it's not enough. Well, that's what I love about what Jared is doing. So your website is what? The pursuit of manliness.com. There you go. Pursuit of manliness.com. Check it out. Check out his podcast.

You're doing a great work there. And dad and I'll be on there too. So we got in our overtime, you know how we say, Jared, on our podcast, how we know it was went by how it was pretty good. It went by fast. That went by fast, which is good. We got a little bit of overtime segment where I'm going to finally get to my three points. I want to get to my lesson.

We've been that I started a podcast ago. So we'll do that in the overtime. Remember, that's blazTV.com slash unashamed to subscribe to be able to get access to the overtime. Thanks for listening to the Unashamed podcast. Help us out by rating us on iTunes.

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