Unashamed with the Robertson Family - Ep 474 | Jase Runs Straight Into Toddler Chaos, Uncle Si's Ball of Socks & the Curse on America

Episode Date: May 8, 2022

Jase learns about the sport of wee ball and the fun or chaos that comes with toddlers. Phil remembers his old coach, Scotty Robertson, and tells how he first got introduced to the game and where he got his first football, which replaced the ball of socks he and Si were playing with. Al laments the curse that is on America because of the millions of abortions that were allowed to take place over the past decades. Jase discusses people's tendency to associate their circumstance with God, either favorably or angrily. And Phil says people forget that the book of Revelation is a stack of seven letters written to seven churches, and he reminds us that God spits lukewarm Christians out of his mouth. Watch the Unashamed overtime show, only on BlazeTV: https://BlazeTV.com/Unashamed - Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

I am unashamed. What about you? Do you catch any ops yes or the day? No, I got to run my net today, but I was back home to the jelly making. I need some of that jelly. Huh? I heard Dad's up to 70 pints. Well, Phil, you can't eat 70 pints of jelly. Well, but some reason every time y'all go by there, somebody is eating 70 pints.

pants of jelly. They cleaned it out last year. I'm like, I made about 40 last year. Times were hard, but this time I was it. I kind of got excited. Although I don't eat jelly anymore because it is the very best. I try to it on some bread. We had some fried shrimp.

I just put it on some bread. But this particular batch is, that's something of the, you know, it is really, really good. How many jars of deli I got from you last year? One. So it wasn't me. I got one. Yeah, Willie was there yesterday. I had about four that I hadn't put up yet.

I was on top of the counter there and the country kitchen. They were still warm, wasn't it? Yeah, you tell me he was out here. I saw it. So yesterday I saw it. It was weird because I saw, you know, we all live here. Of course, I see y'all because we worked together. But, I mean, I don't ever see anybody.

You know, everybody's going in so many directions. So I actually saw Willie first at a ball game. So his grandson and my granddaughter are playing on the same wee ball team. So they're four years old. So we ball. That just doesn't seem like a good idea to me. No, but it's not bad because it introduces them to the game. I mean, they don't know what they're doing, but they're out there.

I think it's a social outing. Oh, it is. Because look, there's as many parents out there in the field trying to tell them what to do is there are kids. So they get out there. Of course, they all hit, this is a T, but they're four years old.

So they can only hit the ball, most of them, you know, 10 feet. They hit it. It goes right there. So all the players on the defense are all right there at the pitchers mound. There's about eight or 10 little kids.

And so when the ball is hit, it's like the whole herd moves. How much screaming is going on? A little bit of screaming. Then there's crying because somebody would get hurt under the pile, because then they all dog pout. trying to pick the ball up.

So the other little kids run the first, sometimes by way of the pitchers' mouth. So they run down to first. They throw, somebody will finally get it and throw it over there. Of course, it's the first basement stand looking around. And then it rolls all the way at the dugout. So it's just a... Like a time? Yeah, you only play for 45.

I mean, but how do you ever get somebody out? You don't. Well, every once in a while they do, shockingly, somebody will catch... How do they move on to the next inning? You just, I think that, I don't think there's any, you know, they just, you bat one time around in the next room. So everybody gets a bad. I'm a fairly patient man, but I've never tried that.

Well, it's hilarious. You're a little old for that, Phil. Oh, I know. Way too old. But anyway, so John Reed is out there because his boy, which is Willie's grandson. So he's playing. We did all that as kids, children out in the yard. Yeah, y'all used to just play.

No parents. You weren't organized. No parents got out there and said, you know, y'all. We started with a sock filled with other socks And the only ball we had was A ball of socks The ball of just rags

What did you? What was your bat? It was the football, the baseball It was everything Well it's all on the hat It was the ball The ball It was round

And you know You could bounce it off Pretty good with a stick You know just a club We did it go to first place you just get a club out of the woods or something i mean i didn't have a real bat there were no bats that's your own bat yeah and the old coach up there got wind ever there something up there at the high school and drove up one day and and he just threw a football out the window

we're all standing there you know sigh he was naked he never wore clothes till he's about six six or seven but we was all standing there and the coach drove up that's a frightening and he just threw the ball out the window didn't say hi good to and just drove off? He had somebody else driving him, but he just pulled up there and they threw a ball out. We all stood there, you know, we were watching him leave.

Nobody moved, you know. We just sitting there. You thought it was a bomb. I should have put that in. Y'all should have put that in the movie. Because then you became an NFL caliber quarterback. That's right. Some guy that's chunks a ball out,

so you picked it up and probably put some zip on it. It was just stunned silence at first, and as the dust settled him going up the road, Because we're thinking something's up here, something like. There's a bomb. Oh, yeah. We, we, we, I like, what in the world? You know.

What just happened? Oh, yeah. Finally, somebody broke ranks. And when I didn't got it, and we all gathered around. It was a good night. What is it? You know, it's a leather football. So you were aware of the game of football.

And I mean, people just scattered in every direction. And that's when I first had a something, and everybody was throwing the ball. When I threw it, b-h-h-h. I mean, you know, had a little tip to it. So after that, you know, we, and did we ever wear that thing out? Yeah. We wore it down to just a pile of power? Was it that guy that was your coach when you finally got to high school?

Robertson was his last name, but I don't know whether he was kin to us. Scotty Robertson. He coached in the. What he had to make. I think he, I don't know he coached in college, but I think he's coasting the pros. That's one of the more bizarre stories of it. So he doesn't say, hey, boys. Not a word.

Just throws a football. You threw it out the window. And it bounced about twice. So I looked at me and I looked at him. You know, all my cousins and everybody was six. So what? You were eight and about eight years old. Yeah.

So, and all your older brothers, because they've told me, of course, they're all gone now. But they all told me, you know, they all played football. Like Jimmy Frank played high school football. Harold, I think, I don't know if he played or not, but Tommy was really good. And then you. And then side talks about it. He said he was the baddest, 130 pounds. Cato Parish.

He was famous for just head on to 235 pounds of fullback. He would, side would just come in there just like and just head on and just get trampled. I mean, you're bounce off and just stomped on. He's grabbing, you know. I was listening to their podcast, which is our. I've always said it was too many. to the cranium. Well, I think maybe they said, we know what happened to it.

It did some damage. I was listening to their podcast, the Duck Conrad, which is our sister or brother podcast, I guess. And so when they were doing their ads for Omega, because they do ads for Omega X. Size's lead-in to the Omega story about sore joints was him playing football in high school. He said, you know, boys, and I used to take on those 220-pound running backs. after a game of that, I needed something for my joints. If I'd only had Omega X-L, I got so ticker because I thought, who goes back 60 years ago to your high school football?

Well, but I mean, you feel, you know, back then, whatever major injury happens, it does start to ache. I think when you cross the 50-year-old mark. Well, I think that's why Dad was very wise and stopping at the college level, because when I look at his peers, including Bradshaw, and watch them trying to get out of a chair, it's like, whoa, the game was unkind. You're going to break your bones.

Yeah. They're going to break bones. Shoulders and knees. I told you, I popped something in my shoulder in the last game I played. And I just kept running through the dugout, into the parking lot, got in the vehicle, and it was because it just pah! 22 bullet went off. But, you know, to this day, that thing just is sore from time to time.

Oh, yeah, you tore something. Oh, I, I hope. You rip something that won't come back. Yeah. So I saw Willie, which is unusual at the game. So we talked the whole time and caught up, which is fun. And because the game is like, you know, it's a social. Well, right.

And it's like, it's background noise while you're talking. So, and then I get home and Missy comes over. Because I ain't seen Missy in a while either. I've been supposed to call her back for a week. She said, well, I decided to just do a surprise attack out because I can't get you to call me back and say, I know I'm big-time in you. But so she had the baby with her,

and I confirmed your story. I told her you told the story about, you know. Don't be breaking the fifth wall. What is that? The fourth ball. So I said, well, Jay's told us the story yesterday about him cleaning it up. And she said, yeah, I know. I was like, what are you doing?

Like. She does that every time. It was not like the first time. Then she said, I mean, I guess he must. must have been coming back there because he knew it's going to be a podcast story. I said, well, it was a podcast story. But I told her why. I said he was reading in the Bible about manning up, and he didn't want to get the question from God, oh, man, where are you? So I said, he was convicted. And then we talked about, you know, puke for the next five minutes, you know, so.

It's a lot. She said, well, it's not really puke because it's just straight back milk. It is. I think it's a reflux issue. But he drank it at our house last night and no problem. You never know, Al. That's what? It's, uh, the Russian. I know dad has cleaned up of many a baby puke in his day. It's like, you rare moments. I was like alone with one of y'all, you know, when it came diaper change in time.

But I tried. That's a bad feeling in it. Oh. Like the six bottles are like the bullets of the roulette. Yeah. So he drinks one. You're like, hmm. You turn to the next one.

But you know one out. It's the sound of it. I mean, you can hear it 40 feet away. Just the sheer volume and force. It has a certain splatter sound to it. It's about three splatters. It's like, flop, hop, whoop. It's going on there.

It looks like some movie set and somebody created it so much. Like, how does one, well, and then he's grinning. Yeah, he feels better. Yeah, it was like, well, I got that. We were on vacation one time, and so I had Alex's three, and they were all little. And so, you know, two of them still in diapers. And Vinny was, me and Vinny and the kids, the women all left went shopping or something. So he went upstairs to lay down with the boys, which was good.

So, well, they all went to sleep. So I had Pearl. She was little. And, I mean, she just filled a diaper up. I could smell it, you know. Then I started thinking, I wonder how long is, like, how long would it be? How wrong would it be for me? just wait this out until they got back.

So I thought, no, that's no good because the little kids got to be stuck in it, you know. And then I went up to see if I could, you know, make some noise where Vinny'd get up. This is, you know, it's his child. No, sleeping like a rock. And I didn't want to wait the other kids up. So I just, I thought, you know what? I'm like, Jace, I got a man up. I got to go in.

It's been a year since I'd done it. And it was unpleasant. And here's the difference in me and you. When I go to that, the poop side of things, I has mad up. I got mask, gloves. I did have gloves. Like I go in there at some toxic waste dump radioactive material. Because I don't want to trigger the gag reflex on me.

That's right. Which might trigger his gag reflex. Then we got vomit on top of everything. Yeah. It's, it's a. But you know, I'll tell you this morning, because I got the little monitor thing, and I heard him out there, who, ooh, ooh. But he doesn't wake up crying.

Most kids... He's a pretty happy baby. Yeah. So I finally miss he was making a bottle of an owner. I was looking at me. He's just like, ooh, smiling. It's like a dove, cooing in the morning. How old is this child now?

Three months. Three months. He's way better than my other kids were. That's nice. Because, I mean, my kids, they just woke up screaming. Yeah. I mean, like, feed me, or I'm going to do this for hours. Feed me.

They're, I guess, Willie, Jace, and Jeff have all chosen to adopt children. Well, we haven't adopted this boy, but, yeah, they all have had either foster children. It's kind of semantic. But actually, Jay's had already done it with some big adult. Oh, yeah. Kids do. So, yeah, it's just a neat thing when the opportunity is there. People have had to, you know.

Like what we were talking about in the past podcast. You are to be. You have a breakdown in the family. Other people have to come along. I think if you're going to be the body of Christ, you need, there's a reason that James, or James, what is it, too, that says true religion is taking care of. It is an orphan.

I mean, there's a principle there that you need to take care of people. They can't take care of themselves. Yeah. take care of them. It's a sacrifice. It's a sacrifice. But you know, because today there's a lot going on in the news about Supreme Court. Somebody leaked, you know, a potential ruling.

And so it's creating a lot of controversy. I was beginning to lose hope on whether they're ever going to stop killing children. So we're feeling better after all this happened. But, you know, I say Lisa and I speak a lot on behalf of, you know, pro-life movements and events. Let's take a break. And one of the things I always talk about, the other half of the pro-life movement has to be fostering and adoption. Because if we start winning that cultural war and there's less abortions, that means there are going to be more children.

That's correct. Because you're not going to stop, you know, ways that kids get here. So who's going to step into that? But to choose to kill them from that because your fellow man, didn't rise up and look after you no matter what background you had and no parents, whatever. Every child deserves to have a shot. I say it's where let them live. So what I'm saying is what Jason is doing right now, that's just as pro-life is convincing somebody not to have an abortion.

Because when someone makes that call and has a kid, who's going to step in? It's going to have to be people of faith. The government can't do it. I mean, they can't even run their own situation. You know they ain't going to be able to take care of kids. That's why they've been just like, yeah, kill them. We don't care. So, I mean...

It's like I keep saying, they could... People get all worked up about politics and the government when in actuality, even if they did sign everything you wanted, everything you wanted to sign, it still takes people on everyday basis. Well, and the church still... Making decisions.

The body of... It's got to come from homes. And the body of Christ's days has responsibility for our fellow man. I mean, that's a... us. We should be the compassionate ones. We should be the ones willing to put ourselves out there. I mean, that's us. That's what we should be doing. I'm saying the house is where all the time is spent.

So if that breaks down, you're just not going to fix it with the system. Some guys said one time, I think he was a politician, but I never forgot it. He said, everybody he's worrying about who's going to get in the White House. You need to worry about the man in your house. I agree with that 100%. That's what my thought is. I mean, look, I'm all for, I'm going to vote for the most godly

principal person, but it starts in the house. And by the way, even if they, if this case flips, which is possible now, it's looking like it may happen, which is a great thing for America, I think it lifts a curse that's been on us for 50 years. No doubt about it. But it is, it's just going to move the battle lines to the states. So, you know, then it's what state you're in. So you're not going to not deal with this, but I wish, I mean, if it happens, I feel

like it'll take a scourge off of us as a people. Oh, no doubt about it. Because what a decision that was, you know, which was terrible. The Almighty is not going to bless nations who slaughter their children. No. And look, you know, they were throwing them down the cliffs and in the flames and everything. I mean, even in the Bible, there's numerous reports. I mean, numerous accounts where children were sacrificed supposedly for the good of the people.

I mean, they hear about this prophecy about Jesus and they're like, I start killing all. all the kids around. Well, you know, it was interesting. I was listening last night. Of course, all the reaction response to this Supreme Court thing. And one woman, which is, it was so right out of the Old Testament because her whole argument was what this is going to do to the economics of our country when women are forced to have children and not be able to abort it.

And I just thought, you're like Molek and the people in the Bible, like you're willing to sacrifice children for the economy. That's what they were doing when they would slaughter them so they could get rain or crops or whatever. Oh, yeah. And I was like, you're just right out of the, you're a scourge right out of the old testament. Think about it, Al. If you view yourself and your father is saltwater, your father.

Your father. That's one that brought you here. Your patronage. There's nothing you're going to do. Well, that's true. I mean, there's just absolutely nothing when it comes to. That's a good point. Why would you be moral, right?

Why would it matter? They just look at it. Salt water is their father. Yeah. That's where they came from. Right. They're doing here. And there's three things in that Romans one.

Men suppressed the truth by their wickedness down in verse 23. They exchange the glory of the immortal God for images made to look like mortal man, birds, animals, and reptiles of every description. They'll put up these gigantic statues with lying heads and all this stuff. Then at the bottom, they exchange the truth of God for a lie. They worship and served created things rather than the creator. That's them. That's the ones at Rome.

It's the ones in America. And then even their women exchange natural relations for unnatural one. There's three times exchange is used in that tech. They just put something aside and put their belief system in there, which is a weak one at best. It makes living on planet earth a tough run. It's tough. There's no doubt about it. But anyway, I don't know about it.

So, Jay, to wrap that up, I mean, I am grateful that you miss your doing what you're doing. And I know it's, you know, because of taking care of a child, but whatever, wherever that leads. They are full of murder. Full of it. Yeah. Oh, it's everywhere. Look at the crime rates, right? So we're shifting into a new study, which is exciting.

I always love new studies. We wrapped up Corinthians, which was, as looking back, what was your, what was the best thing about our Corinthians study. Actually, the last few chapters, I had never studied Second Corinthians in detail. Right. And, well, I thought it was fantastic. Yeah, I agree with you. The close of all that, which was kind of more powerful this time through, which, by the way, iterated, you know.

That's why you have to keep studying the Bible, because all of us have studied either talk classes or listen to other people teach and listen to sermons. but every time you go through it, there's something unique and new that hit you that maybe hadn't before. So, you know, when you read that verse in Hebrews that says it's living and active and sharp and cuts and divides. It's food. Yeah. A lot of the big excuses for not coming to Christ are because bad things happen or not believing in God. Bad things happen.

You know, he addresses four or five chapters there. Mm-hmm. Oh, yeah, there's going to be some bad things that happen. And God's got that covered. Yeah. I mean, here's how you should respond to it. I really thought it was encouraging. Yeah.

And it actually showed you out of that last thing that Paul makes the point that all the things he went through are what made him better and understanding how great Jesus was. I mean, the end of the day, that's what he said. I mean, physically, he was just being just annihilated. I mean, you just think of what he looked like. Yeah. Talking about the scars. The scars. He gave the list.

He was hand chosen to write most of the last. of the New Testament. And when he gave his little lifestyle, and people said, well, bad things happened to good people, there can't be a God then. Well, he flipped that on his head, said, oh, that's a God.

Well, they were saying it about him. I was like, well, because you think about all cultures and religions and the gods and just through time, everything is connected to what is currently happening to you. Yep. So it's like, if you lose your job, it's like, well, God doesn't, he's not,

he's not for me anymore there's never a thought to where maybe that's the greatest thing that ever happens you know it's just like if you worship this God there will never ever be any more pain

that they say because if pain comes well you blew it somewhere you know but the Apostle Paul said I didn't blow it I'm just taking it all taking it all on the chin I've been beating stonp two

He was a rare shipwrecked weapons. Yeah, I mean, that was quite a paragraph. Well, I met a guy when I was out in California last week, and he was a, he's a doctor, a pediatric doctor, works in NICU. He was born with cerebral palsy. I mean, his mom was encouraged to abort him. And this guy, he's been, he's a believer, but he spent his whole life now helping children because he survived all that.

But he's been a hard life. He still can't walk, you know, he's without assistance. And, I mean, it's like, I just thought, man, that's, this guy's like Paul. I mean, he's like, he understands. And the one time he brought up, look, you know, I got this, it's like a thorn in my flesh here. Once you take care of that, my great's sufficient far. You suck it up and just went right on. Yeah.

He said, no. Okay. He chose nothing. He's. Therefore, I boast about. About my weaknesses, which is pretty powerful. I mean, you think about it, it's a good way to roll. Yeah.

If nothing deters you. So, Colossians, most scholars think it was part of the, they call them the prison epistles. Philippians, Colossians, Ephesians, were all written while he was confined in Rome. So most of them have these books right around the first four or five years of 60, because Paul supposedly died around 65 or 60. So this would have been somewhere in that range. And he was in Rome when he wrote it. And then I just had a few little facts about the city. I thought were interesting that I thought I'd bounce off of.

The city of Colossay, by the way, it's modern Turkey is where it would be now. It's located. But it's like underground. They don't have ruins that you can see. Yeah, but I read there a group from Australia are going there to. To excavate? Oh, really? Well, that'll be interesting.

Yeah, like recently. Well, they'll, every time they do that, they find corroboration to what he here. That's correct. Every time that's happened, it's like. Some, I guess it's just lucky. Yeah, just so happens. They never find anything that contradicts, by the way. No.

Has it been found yet. They may find some kind of scrolls or. Although, there was two earthquakes there. There have been several, but there were two massive ones that leveled. Colosse along with, so La Eudecia and Hieropolis, which Paul mentions a few times in Colossians. These are, so there's three cities within about 15 miles of each other. And it was kind of interesting because you'd think since Colossians is in the Bible, we don't have a letter to Laodicea, but he just said, read this letter to YouTube.

And nothing bad would ever happen to him. Right. Right. Right. So you, but Laodicea wound up being about 100 BC. They wound up being like the lead cultural and economic. Center. So Colise was just kind of like I was trying to compare it to like us.

It'd be like, you know, they were kind of the Balkanville of the Triumbrate here. Yeah. Where we live. So they didn't have a lot going on. So I thought that was kind of interesting. I think they were famous for making some kind of red wool. Yeah, red wool. That was their big thing to market.

So, you know, and it's called Colossanum. It was the name of that. So that's where they got their name. If you had wool in any form, though, that would be pretty. good if you could find out i guess they made it from sheep i read though yeah i wouldn't want somebody to spot me if i was trying to hide yeah yeah have a camouflage version of but i don't know look at what they're making now jane they got they got clothing now that you look like they're fixing to explode they were they were war beggars in the that he come out there with a duck head he was walking around

out of people looking at him i mean that's pretty white when he was inside the duck he was talking about when he was on the massing. They were calling him a mallard. They were psalp. They got that wrong. He dressed up like a wood duck, but it was quite the costume. Willie said he was just barely could breathe. You couldn't see out the thing.

And he was walking around out there on the state. Well, did we take a break earlier? Did I miss a break? Yeah, okay. Let's take a break. What I asked him, because I was like, since you can't see him, I was like, so did you really see? You can tell me, I won't tell anybody.

And, uh, because I thought maybe they were just playing it, you know, milly-vanilly style. But he was like, no, we performed every song in those costumes. And he said, you know, he said, if you notice, I held them, had the mic way down low because my head was underneath that, that thing was five feet tall. Oh, it's tall in that. Yeah. And he said, my head was underneath it. He said, but I was sweating so bad because, you know, Willie's a sweater. We know that from the show. And he said, that would be a hot suit. Oh, and he says, sweat's just pouring in my face. I'm trying to sing a song and, you know, you know, you know, whatever version of dancing he was doing.

I said, well, that sounded miserable. He said, oh, it's the hardest thing I've ever done in my life. But why do it? I'm like, what's this got to do with red wool? Well, I'm just saying red wool back then, and you would kind of dialed up for whatever the current situation was. That's called the Unashamed podcast. We don't know half the stuff comes up.

Well, they made red wool and film. started talking of a costume, Willie. Well, he was talking about the flamboyance. I got, I made the connection. And you said something about hiding. I mean, if you looked out there. You're wearing camouflage. Well, and if red wool was the way to go, if you looked out there and about, you know,

a fourth of them are all walking around in red wool, you're like, hmm, what, what's this all about? Well, they were known. It'd be a funny thing to look at. They were known. They were known. Red, bright red wool? They did think it was weird. They were known for making red wool.

There was probably some of them. Other city that made green wool, you know, so everybody had to, you know. I read. I mean, look, have you ever taught Colossians, though? Yeah, it's been a while, yeah. I was surprised when I was reading some of the history and theologians that some people don't believe Paul wrote this. Oh, yeah. They'll say that almost about every book, somebody.

Well, he gets to the end, the last verse is, I, Paul, write this greeting in my own hand. I thought, well, if you don't believe that, I can understand. debating Hebrews, but when the guy says, I wrote it by my own hand. Well, Jess, you've just explained why you're not a theologian. If you were a theologian, you'd say, I don't think Paul wrote this. Somebody said, really? Let me write a research paper. Well, he said he did.

Well, he was lying. He has a curious intro there where he says he puts Timothy. He says, and Timothy, so I thought, well, I mean, because it does seem a little different in places on how he wrote some of the other letters, but it's a different letter. It's a different group of people. You kind of, you know, they also say their biggest

religions here was that Gnosticism and this of course he says something about the worship of angels somewhere in here. I think that's in verse 18. Do not let anyone who delights him false humility

in the worship of angels disqualified you for the prize. A lot of that goes on today. Well, I thought about that. You know, the only thing, when you think about just false teachers

or people trying to mislead you, I mean, what a terrible thing is to act like you're humble and be false about it. Yeah. Now, that's about as low as you can get. Oh.

You're acting like, oh, you know, because you think of humble, soft-spoken off. Chase, that covers. in our current society a mighty throne. It's a lot of them. It's a mighty throne.

You saw them coming tall, gigantic hats and stuff, and the robes and the mannerisms. It's just one thing after another. It's quite the look when you said I saw a lot when I was at the march

because there's a lot of different groups there. But I wanted to mention Jay, so the church in a low to see us interesting to me because that's a sister city It's kind of a bigger city. He mentions Laodicea four different times in Colossians, you know, or the church there. But what was the most interesting to me, because Jay said, I know you like Revelation, is

that Laodicea is one of the seven churches. Oh, is it? Yeah. They made the connection. Where are you seeing the La Eaucea? It's in two, it's in two one, he mentions it. He says, I want you. Oh, I see.

I want you to know. How far is that? How far was that from Colise? It was 15 miles. 12 miles, 12 miles. It was almost. But he mentions it again at the end, and he tells him to read this, but look over at Revelation, because in Revelation,

people forget Revelation is actually seven letters to seven churches. Correct. But I mean, people, when you say Revelation, what's the first thing people? Oh, man, then we go into the. Well, most people, I heard it Sunday, this past Sunday. Guy said, you know, in revelations, Missy said, don't say her. Yeah, because there's only, it was only one revelation.

That's what I want to say, well, well, let's talk after. So, so there's seven churches that start in the book. And so the revelation from John is Jesus to these churches. I feel like this is a clue. I can't remember which one. So look at chapter 3. three verse 14 oh and there it is last one last one to the angel of the church and lay odysseia right the oh this is going to be the lukewarm thing exactly these are the

words these are the words of the amen the faithful and true witness the ruler of god's creation i know your deeds that you are neither cold or hot i wish you were either one or the other so because you are lukewarm neither hot nor cold i'm about to spit you you out of my mouth. And that's scary. Now, I will stop right here, Alan, say that I read,

I mean, I've had an epiphany right here in a live, live epiphany. Because this place was famous for these springs and there was waterfalls and there were two rivers.

I was reading all about that at Colossi slash. You mean a beautiful place. Yeah. Beautiful. Most real beautiful places are that, it's fixed to have an earthquake.

Oh, yeah. Well, it's mountainous. And so, you know, it's like California. But, you know because they were talking about springs and different things but i think because you think

well how come he would be said i wish you were one of the other one of the other because if you had cold water from a spring okay you can drink it if you have hot water from a spring you can soak in it or yeah you could soak in it but that way because you'd think well why would he want him to be cold well if it was in that region yeah if it was in that region i thought i hadn't thought of about that i i don't think he was saying i'd ready to be really good or really bad he was saying cold's good productive yeah hot's good lukewarm what are we going to do in that can't drink it and we can't sit in it it's a good thought i hadn't thought about that good epiphany well but i put it together because of all the springs i was reading about because i i'm interested in

like what could we catch some fish here could we hunt when i'm looking up these cities so this next section, by the way. I'm not going to Turkey. Right. Because I thought, I'm going to see where this is that. I may go over there metal detector or something. They said, Turkey. I was like, I've heard a lot about Turkish prisons and I don't know the stance on metal detector. And Turkish bass. Let's take another break. I mean, they may welcome him. I do like Turkish coffee. So this next section, Jay, 1718, goes in with what we know about the area that they were the most economically set. So then, so read that next to. Now I know why when I was reading some of the of the stuff why they kept bringing up the money.

Right. Because they're getting that from here. You say I'm rich, I have acquired wealth, and do not need a thing. But you do not realize that you're riched. Riched, pitiful, poor, blind, and naked. Boy, he was just throwing haymakers. It's pretty hard. I counsel you to buy from me gold refined in the fire, which goes back to those struggles

and trials. Yep. So you can become rich and white clothes to wear so you can cover your shameful. neckiness and salve to put on your eyes so you can see those whom i love i rebuke and discipline so be earnest and repent there's our meta annoya yep here i am i stand at the door and knock if anyone hears my voice and opens through i will come in and eat with him and he with me i love that verse yeah to him who overcomes i will give the right to sit with me on my throne just as i overcame and sat down with my father on his throne he who has ears let him hear all

all humans who can hear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the church. That's good. That's rich. Which is rich. And it really, so understanding, you know, I didn't really put it together too much until we were, you know, prepping for this, that it was right there in this region, which is why it mentions three or four times, look, you need to get this letter. They need to read this.

Well, now I know why. They were known for their riches. They were wealthy. This was, this is the third heart in the parable of the sewer. Yeah. Remember when he said, the first thing fell along the path. Bomp, devil came for it even. Never got started.

Then the next one in the rocks, no root. Sun scorched it. It said, but the third one, it came up into weeds. Yeah, cares of the world, worries of this life. It just made it unfruitful. Right. Then the fourth heart, they grew, produced a crop. Right.

So deceitfulness of wealth. Yeah, that was in there. Matthew 13. Things that would choke out. So I thought that was interesting because that was from that region, so it sort of applies to what we're talking about. Is America maybe guilty at some time or another of the pursuit of wealth? Yeah. I would say we fit into a lot of those low to see a...

Well, not the pursuit, the deceitfulness of wealth. Yeah, Matthew 13, 13, 22, the one who was... receive the seed that fell among the thorns is the man who hears the word, but the worries of this life and the deceitfulness of wealth choke it, making it unfruitful. Right. Which causes a gag reflex from the Lord, which is something you would never. You don't want that. No. So I think...

Well, it's not rocket science. When you run up on individuals, you say, what are they known for? it will be the knowledge of God or not. Yeah. So I found it interesting that in the city of Colossay, the Colossian Church, seemed to have things a little bit more on target than Laodicea, which would have been the more well-known place with the money and all that. And you just kind of put those two thoughts together. So one more interesting thing, days, that I thought,

and I don't know if you put this together or not. So Colise was about 120 miles from. Ephesus. So that's kind of the region. So it was further away, but Ephesus was close. And so whenever Paul was doing this missionary journey, this, the plant in the church in Colise was part of being in Ephesus because he was there for a pretty good while. So he was sending these guys out to plant these churches. So in Acts 1910, which is part of this when he's dealing with everything in Ephesus, he said, this went on for two years. So he was there a long time. He spent a lot of time in Corinth, but also in Ephesus, so that all the Jews and Greeks

who lived in the province of Asia heard the word of the Lord. So, Dad, that was you talking about a minute ago about the message going out, which he's going to mention in Colossians. But so that's what he's talking about. That's when the church at Colise was planted. So here's something interesting. Epapris, who's mentioned in Colossians 1 in verse 7, and he's probably the guy that was the main guy there, you know, because we read about him in Colossians. And then also... He's the one who actually preached the gospel to him. Correct.

And so he was his guy. But then here's another name, Jay, because a few weeks ago, you read from Philemon. So Philemon was also from Colossi. And the book of Philemon, which is about a runaway slave, and I put that in quotations because it's not, we've talked about on the podcast for it's different, as we think, a modern slavery, what that meant. There was indentured servitude, but this guy ran out. It's kind of like, yeah, we need a better way to describe it.

Yeah, but the problem is the word isn't, that's the word that's used in the translation, but it's not the same. It's something different, but anyway, because when you say that word, everybody has these responses. It's kind of, was it, it's kind of like classes of people. Right. They say, in an era. Middle class or.

Because they talked about working class. Right. In an era where there was no. mechanization. There were no vehicles. There were human beings and animals. Well, you say, if you're going to plow a piece of ground, the only labor force you have available is fellow humans. That's the only way you're going to get this field planet because there was nothing mechanized. There were no tractors, there were no desks, there were no plow. So you would make a deal with, no mules. You would give your service to a person for seven years or whatever the kind of

contract would run. You hired him. You hired him. But it was different than what we think of hiring somebody because it was literally they were your servant to do whatever you had them to do. So let's take our last break. It wouldn't be a problem as long as you weren't mistreating them. Right. That's right. And it wasn't based on. You had an obligation not to mistreat the labor force. Was it based on where they were from or what they looked like? So a couple of verses I were reading Colossians. And then I want you to take it from there on Philemon.

because Onesimus is the guy that ran away. Well, he winds up and wrong with Paul, and he says, I'm sending him back to you. But he's a brother now. He was converted. He ran out on his responsibility. So he said, I'm going to send him back to you, Philema. But just remember, he's a brother now because he got converted. We run up on that all the time.

All the time. So two verses that I think highlights that, and then you can take it on the Philema side. In chapter four, verse one, masters provide your slaves with what? what is right and fair because you know that you also have a master in heaven. So what he's talking about there is for these people that have these indentured servants, he's like, you treat them fairly. Can't mistreat them. Because God treats you.

And then he says in verse 9, he is coming with Onesimus, our faithful and dear brother, who is one of you, they will tell you everything that's happening here. And then, of course, Philemon, when Paul wrote Philemon, which by the way was written, that was the other prison letter, was the same time. he wrote him a separate note. Which is interesting. I mean, I always remember that verse 6 because I brought that up before. Right.

But in light of, you know, when you think about Colossians, and we just learned from Revelation, kind of the backdrop of what was going on there, he didn't talk about money in Colossians. That's right. He talked about Jesus. Yep. Which is, to the point Phil makes a lot, when you drift away from that being your focus, bad things start happening.

Correct. The deceitfulness of wealth flourishes, but it may be just rank immorality may flourish. I mean, when you get your focus off Jesus, but in that. But what's interesting is Jesus did talk about wealth to Laodicea because they had a problem. Exactly. Yeah. I pray that you may be active in sharing your faith. Philemon 6, so that you will have a full understanding of every good thing we have in Christ.

It's one of the few backwards verses that makes sense. Most people say, I don't know the verses. I don't know. I'm not smart enough, good enough, or been in this long enough to share my faith. But if you know Jesus and you realize he knows you, if you have the capacity to understand that you're saved, you would also have the capacity to reveal that. You need to be able to explain someone who has given you life and immortality. Well, you just think about, Phil, you stand for God at the end.

And just what if he said, why should I let you in? Whatever you would say, which I would say would be a pretty good gospel presentation, back to him. Yep. That's your presentation. If he says, you know, why should you be in your life? You know, I don't even know how I got here. That fulfills your messenger or as when we read in the Corinthian letter, the messenger is ambassador.

You say, I was your ambassador. I knew I was and I told people about you and I went around telling them how to be ambassadors. Yeah, exactly. Well, I was going to read this other verse in 14 where he says, I didn't want to do anything without your consent so that any favor you do will be spontaneous and not forced. And he says, perhaps the reason he was separated from you for a little while was that you might have been back for good. No longer as a slave, but better than a slave as a dear brother. He is very dear to me, but even dearer to you, both as a man and as a brother in the Lord.

I just, that always stood out to me that, you know, we talk about different classes or different jobs and different collars or however you want to view the workforce. But, you know, in Jesus, we're brothers and sisters. And he uses that in Colossians a lot, the term brothers and sisters. Yeah. We'll get to them. But he focused on Jesus. He used brothers and sisters. And I just thought we could do.

You know, when you think of Colossians, what are the first verses that pops in your head? If you were going to say, is there a theme? Well, I mean, I always think of the image of the... Colossians one. Yeah, Colossians one. I think that's the first one. He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation. So talking about Jesus.

Right. Because you think about it, going back to our point about standing before God and being able to relay why you got there, which is all about him and not you and what Jesus did. You can't see God. Where's the verse in Exodus where it said, you know, he said, you can't look on me and live. Right. It's like getting in between two wires times a million.

Right. I mean, something this that has this much force. I mean, that's the way I understand. When the Ten Commandments came down, You remember, it said he told Moses to get in the cleft of the rock and turn his back outward. In other words, he had to get into a. Well, even remember he got sunburned. And he was just passed by.

And you don't want to be looking. People are getting sunburn, radiating just from being in close proximity. So probably had something to do with radiation, I would guess. I don't know. Who knows? Oh, well. Yeah. I don't know.

We don't have the words here. Exactly. But so then when you think, so here the... When you're glowing from being around somebody, that's quite the powerful people. Some atheists, I saw Dan showed it to me, and he's a renowned atheist. I don't know what his name was. He doesn't believe in God, but somebody asked him what would happen if the Earth's magnetic field and the speed at which we're traveling, what would happen for a second, 1001, what would happen if that we lost our magnetic field if we lost that and the atheist said you would be

blown into oblivion within um blue within a second yeah he said if this thing he cups hiccups he said at all yeah one second a stutter in the you know dan gave me the you know a little magnetic field thing and said up it just sitting there turning you see him in that dan said always remember Phil, if that stops, we're dead. For a second. Well, you don't even have a chance to look at it. This sang is so finely tuned, one second out of whack, and we are dead, dead. Instantaneous.

There's just a wall of just eating up every flag there is. We talked about earthquakes. I mean, let's face it. You look up and you see these stars and they're disappearing. Yeah. Those little trailer behind them. By the way, that happened. long time ago, but we're seeing it way after an hour.

That's what is kind of planned for planet Earth. No hiccups or you are done. Well, I think another verse that goes with that is... It's fragile. It's just real fragile. It's Colossians 2-9, for in Christ all the fullness of the deity, which deity means God, Father, Holy Spirit, and supernatural, however you want to characterize that.

That's a mouthful, that verse. of the deity lives in bodily form because their religion of the day that this body is corrupt so Jesus can't be in a body because the body's bad and they worship an angel just think about this powerful God and they're like so let me get this right unknown yeah maybe it's maybe Donald Trump maybe God calling me you know unknown it says unknown I don't think I've ever seen that the last I saw that was when the White House call dad so yeah so my point was that people have to wrap their head around that this awesome god who you can't even look on without being evaporated you could stop the planet in a second

evaporation crawled up in not crawl but became go with me yeah in a in a woman's womb yeah without right without any human yeah and said okay I'm coming out of here, and I'm going to give you an image. I mean, I'm looking at a little sperm and one little egg. Yeah, I've heard your take on this. And your mother. We've got to relive it. And just to get you here that way is pretty incredible.

But without it, it's impossible. Oh, that's right. And then here comes the image of the invisible God. Yeah, because you finally get to see him. I mean, just think about that. It's incredible. It's top 10 verses in the whole Bible is while we're here. I could not agree with me.

That's why, when you say, why are you focused on Jesus? Why are you keep talking about, he's the image of the invisible God? This God that could just, you can't even pass buying without just. In the most impressive. A mistake free person, a mistake free human, but who is God in a human body. I mean, you'd have had to sit under a tree. and really thank this out. We get that much information.

So we're out of time, but we're going to continue this discussion in our intro in the overtime as we get into the study of Colossians. So check it out. Well, that went quickly. That was good. Thanks for listening to the Unashamed Podcast. Help us out by rating us on iTunes.

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