Unashamed with the Robertson Family - Ep 481 | Phil Drops Wisdom on Nature Conservationists & Jase Guesses Why Northerners Are Grumpy

Episode Date: May 20, 2022

Jase discusses Louisiana history, zydeco music, southern culture, and the origin of the delicious Opelousas catfish. Phil has planted thousands of bald cypress trees and aided in wetland conservation in Louisiana, but he still has a message for some of nature's biggest fans. Jase explores the interesting traits and characteristics of catfish skins correlating to their location in the river, and the guys remember Si's ultimate basketball trick shot: "The Crane." Phil talks about his 30-foot-tall willows that were planted by wild blue heron, and Jase guesses that people up North are grumpy because they don't season the food up there. Sign up to watch the Unashamed overtime show, only on BlazeTV: https://BlazeTV.com/Unashamed - Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

I am unashamed. What about you? So yesterday, Dad, you mentioned at the end of the last podcast about somebody coming up. Was it Apollosus that got baptized? It came from South Louisiana, Appaloosa, Louisiana. Wait a minute. You called Apollosus Catfish, and then a person came from Apollosus, the city? Yep. I'm trying to make... To be born again.

Some kind of conspiracy. You think they named Apalusus, Louisiana after Apalusus Capville? I hope they did. Because we need to call Louisiana change the name of Louisiana to Apollusus, the state of Apollus. The state of Apollusus. That's a good state. So in WFR, Maine, we had a baptism as well. And it was a really cool story.

It was one of those were like we had dismissed. and there's somebody's kind of getting up to come out and somebody walks in the side door. Hey, we got a baptism. So everybody just hung around. We were visiting and talking. So Derek took him up. And so this guy, he tells our church, this guy came here from some other place, but he's a drug addict. And so he was going to go into rehab today.

But he wanted to get his life right and submit to Christ before he ever went about trying to get off the drugs, which is. Smart. Smart. I love what he said when he went right before. He baptized him. He said, you know, you're going to go into this rehab and then it'll be in a recovery house and all this. He said, but the good news is, is you're taking the Holy Spirit with you now.

Which I thought that's a pretty good line. It is. You know, you want to go, if you're going to go into an undertaking like that, you want to make sure the Holy Spirit is with you. Yep. Because that's where the real power is to overcome, you know. And it's like all our, we have a great recovery. That's why so many.

Just a revolving door. Yeah, because if you're trying to do it just based on the 12 steps or the whatever, then you're not going to have the true power that the overcoming power is what the Holy Spirit does. Although I'm, you know, I'm hound recovery houses and groups because it does a lot of good. But you got to have Jesus first. Just remember that. So, you know, you don't want to leave Jesus out of your recovery process. Okay.

Apalusus takes its name from the Native American tribe Apalusa. who had occupied the area before European contact. French traders called Courier de Boe trappers and hunters. Yep. Arrived in the Apollusis area in the early 1740s to trade with the Apollosus Indians. So Apollosus originally was the name of the tribe. Indian tribe. There's a couple other tidbits I have here that's interesting.

Apollusa. Apollosos, Louisiana, is the self-declared spice capital of the world. Yep. A lot of spices down there. They would dab out a little season on the ops. They're actually the center of Zydeco music. Oh, yeah, that's another. I would dare say that in these United States of America,

the individuals who have sat down, and partaken of the Apollusus catfish. If you think about an Apalusa horse, Apalusa, he's got these colors, this, you can tell him from all the other horses, Apollusus. He's got these just shades of color here, there, and none are all away from one end of the other. Kind of a brownish, blackish.

Yep, yep. So the Apollosus cat, I would say that less than, 1% of the United States of America, I'd say less than 1% have actually eaten these fish. I agree with that. Yeah. I say it's less than 0.1%. I would say just a few people have eaten them. You know what's true.

They are the best eating catfish on the planet. Amen. And when you said you went to the Sea of Gatelie and slam full of them. And it was full of them. I said, I now know that God was there. That's right. Just like he said he was. You know what I find interesting.

Because if he left that thing without loses catfish, Jay said they're just, I mean, they're everywhere. Look, I'm real big on the details of life showing you the designer or the detailer. The created thing showing the creator, however you want to go with that. and what I find fascinating because we'd catch blue cat now there are different kinds there's over 100 different kinds of catfish

but just the general blue cat when you catch a pile of them they all look the same exactly the same to the naked eye I mean they're a little different here and there but an Appaloosa's cat not one of them looks exactly now they're all different

now how does that happen I'm talking about the color pattern the blue cat So you take the one, so take a, you know, like a channel cat has a little black dots on him. Yep. Now they all look virtually the same, even though they have a different pattern. The humpback blue, they just look identical. Yep.

Well, there's the Apollusus. They're noticeably different. Each one is noticeably different. Yep. And you know what's interesting, another interesting tidbit about the Apollusus is depending on what regions. they are, where there's in Oklahoma, Arkansas here, they also have different hues of color.

They're darker here. You go up there and they're yellow. Some of them call them yellow. Some of them call them a yellow cat. Yeah, because they're much brighter color than here. The first one I ever caught, I brought him home and I said, Paul, what kind of, what is this thing right

here? And he said, oh, that's the best eating one out of the whole bunch. He knew, he knew, my daddy knew when I caught one. You ate one you would know that. Yeah. Oh, he said, him's the best eating catfish is. And here's what's interesting.

The mud cat looks similar to the untrained eye. Yep. An Apollosus cat, and he'll make you gag. Oh, he's terrible. That's right. When something has the name mud in it, don't eat that. Well, he gets his name like that because you can drain a pond all your fish will die. But the mud cat will bury in the mud.

You put water on it. And live. I lived a tough cellar another day. I mean, you're talking about tough. Not only is he terrible to eat, he is tough. Oh, yeah. But an Apollosus cat has very thick belly meat. Yeah, so do I.

Up there toward his belly meat. You can lie, you just lie on a cutting board and you take the belly meat off of him. I mean, it's no bones in it. When I dress them, when they're ready to eat, all the bony meat. parts are like the skeleton after you get the meat off of them. So you can fry the bony parts. They're just as good.

Yeah. But there's no floating bones. They're good. Yeah. But the belly meat is the best part. I just think it's interesting. When you think about how we got here and you think about these verses

that says, for by him all things were created, Colossus 116, things in heaven, invisible, visible. All things were created by him and for him. He is before all things. And in him, all things hold together. Yeah. I see the evidence of that.

Yeah. There had to be an intelligent design to this, and we're just talking about fish. That's right. So, I mean, that's why I tend to view problems in society. You know, everybody, the people in the political world have all their things they go, like global warming, you know, which, look. Okay, maybe you're right. It has gotten three quarters of a degree warmer. But have you ever been outside when it's 100 degrees and said, man, it feels like it's three degrees warmer?

I've been out there either patching a net or running a net in the early fall. You'll only see this during the early fall. It begins to cool down. And when the top water, the water on top begins to cool down. I've been sitting there working on a net or patching something or running a trot line and I look out there in the river and the rivers is barely flowing. I mean, you can put a trammal or webbing all the way across the river. The currents all died out. It's beginning to cool down in the early fall.

Many a time I've been sitting there working on a net and I look up and you see an opalusus catfish. I'm not kidding now Long is this table here And look They just come up up on top of the water And they do like that They just do like that Like a shark

And I would estimate them at close to 100 pounds Yep Big fish They just come up and he'll just go down like a whale I'm sitting there you know Catching fish for a living And I'm like boy I hope he gets tangled up It's the biggest off you ever caught

Maybe 75 or 80 pounds Yep Yep. You've caught, not around here. He's got a picture down the, down on the icebox there. He's got a picture of one. He's holding him up. But he was basically his tail from, he was from about Jesus.

Yeah, that one that I called. Yeah, that one that's about 50. Right. About 50. That's the biggest one we caught around here. But my only point I was going to make is to me, it's way more important viewing how these details came here than what we're going to do about it. rise in a degree every hundred years. I mean, if there's a creator and you get in good with him, you're not going to have to

worry about. That's why we view it differently than most people. I think if you want to help the demeanor of the planet, we need some more spice, like Apollosus. That's a way bigger, bro. I think people are just grumpy in nature because they don't season their food. That's why people love to come to Louisiana, and they're like, So here's a bumper sticker.

The world needs more spice. The world needs more spice. We need more seasoning. Yeah. I mean, it's just ridiculous. I went, I didn't tell you I was going to the last podcast. I went to my first restaurant in years last night. There's one except there's a little hole in the wall restaurant that I'll take Missy to every once a while.

But it's a small place and they treat me right. I can go in the back room. Nobody knows. But last night, I mean. I haven't tried that in years. It was the last time you were. I tried it last night. Let me tell you, if you go into a restaurant in Westboro, Louisiana, I went to the Texas

Roadhouse right off the intersection. Let me just tell you right now, you're going to be recognized. And I thought, why are all these people? But you're on the wall there, right? Well, I didn't know I was on the wall, Al. We're on the wall. And so the waitress came up. I wonder why I'm being recognized.

Look, the waitress. She came right. When you're sitting under a mural of yourself. And she looked at me and I saw her look away. She looked at me. She looked away. She looked at me. And I thought, what are we on camera?

I was thinking, is she, what is she looking at? And I looked over there and there's half the size of a wall. It was like me, you, Willie. I didn't know that. And I said, I think that's me. And she said, well, I wasn't going to say anything. Well, you didn't have to. Did you sign it or anything?

No. This place, you couldn't stick another person in there. It's always past there. I said, well, who put that up there? She said, well, I'm sure, you know, the owners. I said, well, look, how about this? I didn't realize my pitcher was up there, but now that I do, how about the next time we call, since I have a picture on here, let's move us up in the back order.

How about me get the table? Yeah, because we had to. wait, they called it a, what did they call that? Oh, it was on my wife's phone. The queue. They're like, you're, you know, 14th in the queue. We'll sit in your car and we'll call you. That's why they do it now.

I guess they learn this during COVID. I don't know how it had been in a restaurant so long. Yeah. But it was really good. The bread was good. I ate it one recently in Ohio. And the first time I had, it's so funny because we were eating there because there wouldn't a lot of places where we were. And I was like, you know, there's one of these at home I've never been in.

That's the first time I've been. But the steak was really good. My daughter, she graduated high school and she wanted to go to rest. But when she said it was in the parking lot of where we had the parade and all. And she was like, I said, okay, I'll see y'all back to the house. And she said, well, I was thinking we would go to a restaurant. It was so funny because it just got quiet. Did she just say, I think we need to go to a restaurant?

And I thought, and Missy looked at me, I looked at her and I was like, let's go. We're celebrating tonight. We're going to a restaurant. We're living it up. That's so funny. And it's so funny because people go all the time. Let's take a break. But it wasn't that bad.

I mean, you know. So Jason reminded me a couple weeks ago or a month ago, I was in Mobile and I was on my way to the Southern Lair. And I was picking up mom and Lisa at the airport. and they were flying in. And their flight got delayed. So I was like, well, I guess I'll just go hang out somewhere and eat a bite. So there was a fish place out by the airport mobile. And so I go in there and I walk in there.

There wasn't hardly anybody in there because it's like 8.30 at night, you know, but I hadn't eaten. So I thought, well, I was to eat a little bit of fish here. And so this girl, the hostess, she's standing there and I walk up. And I was like, just me tonight. You know, I'm looking. The place is pretty much empty. There's a few people eating at the bar. and she just looks at me and she doesn't say anything.

And so long enough where it got awkward, like I thought, I was looking behind me. Like, does she think I said somebody else was coming? Because she was just looking at it. And she said, did you used to be on TV? And I was like, yeah. Well, she must have watched a lot of episodes. I know. And so, yeah, I wasn't much on TV.

I said, yeah, I used to be on TV. And she said, who are you? and I said, who do you think I am? And she said, are you one of the Roberts? And I said, yeah. And she was like, oh my gosh, oh my gosh, oh my gosh. You know, she starts freaking out. She said, would it be inappropriate if I took a picture with you?

My dad loves you, whatever, you know. So I take the picture. And I said, well, I said, will it help me get my food quicker? No. And she started laughing. But I was like, it was, you know, it doesn't happen to me as much as it happens to y'all. but it was kind of funny. If you don't ever go to them,

I mean, it's not that that's a problem, but it's just like if you're going to eat somewhere, because a lot of people say, well, what's the problem? Because a lot of times you go to these places, you can't even eat the meal because it turns into a meat and greet. The whole purpose, you're kind of going there for your dog. You're explaining why I tried it. Well, look, it wasn't bad last time.

Well, most local, that's a local place. If people stare at you, if that bothers you feel, don't go. Because they're going to stare, and you're going to hear your names kind of whispered, And it is kind of embarrassing. But all I'm saying is it wasn't bad. Well, I'd say the main reason we don't go to restaurants much is because our food is better than most restaurants. Well, that's true.

Which gets back to the seasoning. But that place was pretty good last night. Yeah, I enjoyed that. I mean, that bread, I don't know what they do. Right. I mean, it was, I'd heard somebody over that. I'm not eating bread right now, but it sounds good. Yeah, it was delicious.

Now, you were talking about the sustainer. I think that's why we don't freak out like most people do about planetary issues, even though we're all conservationists. I mean, Dad, you're one of the greatest conservators in the state of Louisiana. I mean, you have created 1,600 acres or whatever it is of, you know, habit. Habitat from heaven. My persecutors get so angry. angry when they bring up all these environmental issues.

And they're like, I'm like, yeah, I agree with that one. And I agree with it. And they're like, well, wait a minute, you can't agree with me. You're, this is not allowed. I was like, oh, no, I love the earth. And, I mean, I love nature. And I spend way more time out of, out in nature than the average person. But I also look in Hebrews 3, 4 comes to mind.

Every house is built by someone, but God is the builder of everything. I'm just giving the proper credit to. where the nature, what you're calling nature, that's God's evidence of creation. Yeah, there's a different, we viewed the world through a different prism when we understand the creator and sustainer. Jay's, I'm speaking at an environmental, environmental conference. And I think it's June the 10th in Washington, D.C. You can make it, you can make nature your God. Yes.

You know, they exchange the truth of God and worshipped and served created things rather than the creator Right. Used to be forever prey. That's Acts after one. Oh, the two biggest responses

I get among in my speeches are when I say that trees don't need hugs. People do. Yeah. And I forgot my other

one that I was just fixed to say. Do you do it out of your Genesis 9 thing? Oh. No, yeah, I hit the Genesis 9.

And the other one is because everybody that has seen the duck show, they saw that we blow up a lot of stuff. And so when I make the point, and I have seen a lot of explosions,

but I've never seen one explosion where everything came into order. Yeah, it was usually an explosion of disorder. So I'm like, whether the explosion happened, the Big Bang, or God allowed the Big Bang to happen, or he chose some other form of creation, and y'all just made that up. Explosions don't bring things in perfect harmony in such detail, like a blue cat looking similar and an op looking all different.

And they're of the same species. How come in the process through millions of years that that were left with that result? That didn't make any sense. Right. And there's no way you can twist that to even have it an attempt. And it all was the result of an explosion that randomly happened? I built a wetland over there. And somebody said, you're going to plant.

trees around and all. I said, I'm going to plant ball cypress because when the farming community, we turned the swamp land into farmland. A lot of bald cypress bit to dust. So I planted thousands of ball cypress. I said, I'll plant the cypress out here in this area. I'm going to

make it. The co-ve engineers had to get a permit, so I showed them what I wanted to do. I said, what would you say that looks like out there right now? So I took them over there when it was just sitting there. And they said, well, just a field full of weeds, just overgrowth of weeds. I said, what if that was a wetland? We had frogs, we had fish and we had duck sliding on it. I said, what if all that right there was a, you know, 40 acres of or so? I said, what if that was a wetland? Would it be better? They looked at it. They said,

it would be much better. I said, that's what I want to do. I said, I'll plant balls, Cypress, but I won't, but there'll be a lot of willow coming up. I said, there's not a willow tree out there. You notice that? Yeah. I said, I'm going to plant cypress around it when we do the dirt work. I said, but the cranes are plant the willers. They said, you reckon?

I said, I think so. Well, now you drive over there. It hadn't been but seven, eight years ago. Yep. Now there are willow trees, 30 feet tall. Yeah. 30 feet they just started coming up

the cranes lit in there and you're talking about the bird the crane not the no yeah I'm talking about the crane bird of the yeah with a crane or size yeah the blue heron

the blue heron blue heron they came over and they had the willow bloom on their legs and they planted up and I looked out there and I started seeing the willards

I said well here come the willers well now it's ball cypress and willow Willow break. But you go out there, look at it now, it's one beautiful time, way better than a field of weeds. So I had a specialty basketball shot called The Crane.

I'm an episode. The Crain, the Cray. The birds planted it. All right. Well, that's why they asked me to come speak because he said, you know, the hunting community and the fishing community, I mean, they're some of the greatest conservationists in America. And I was like, absolutely. And, I mean, who does not want clean streams and clean rivers and don't put pollution in there? You know, they finally fix this up here.

You know, when you all are old men, next to 20 years, y'all will be in your 70s. Yeah. That's how fast this thing is rolling. I'm already there, you'll be in your 90s. Well, if I make it that long, but, I mean, I'm just saying, I mean, life is pretty short. It is. And especially when you're growing trees. Yeah.

But amazingly, you understand mine, look, I planted slow trees and this year. year after one decade, 10 years later, I walked out there, and I noticed they all bloomed this year. First time? You remember the... They're loaded. The slows or the plug with plug there, their plums, and they don't get right to August. Slow, slow. It reminds me of that passage in Corinthians where it says, you know, he who plants and he who waters are nothing, but only God makes things grow.

Now, he was talking about in the church, sharing Jesus. But same thing with the crops. I mean, we have, we're real innovative now, especially with technology. You've got tractors that can plant a field by itself. You can't make that stuff grow. You put all the conditions. It's just, how's it happening? Yeah.

So, but what I was going to say is, you know, Missy had a ministry a few years ago called Laminan where she had these women coming out of sex trafficking and various other things. And she'd give them a job. Most of them get out of prison. They'd bring them the Lord in prison, hand them over to Missy where she'd give them a job. But she called it Laminin because she got that from that famous sermon by Giglio. Giglio, Louis Giglio, who he came over with it because he was just doing a series about how the human body, kind of what we're talking about with the earth, the human body is evidence with God.

Yeah. And even I, look, when we just filmed this show, I remember I'm talking to, I'm not sure if he was a believer or not, but one of the cinematographers or the cameraman, they were saying something about they got this shot and look how cool this is. And I was like, you know what's crazy? I was like, as sophisticated as camera that is, how much that thing cost? I think he said it's like 200 grand. One camera, $200,000. And they got some more than that. 200, well, yeah, I remember a slow-mo shot we had in the duck show.

It was like 350. Yeah. And I said, as sophisticated as that is, I said, the human eyeball is the most sophisticated camera the world has ever known. And he kind of looked up at it. He's like, well, it's not a camera. I said, oh, it's a camera. Oh, yeah. I said, it can intake so many scenes per millisecond and edit it, edit them.

and then actually get a response. It's like the greatest show on Earth. It is. The human eyeball. So that was what Giglil was pursuing stuff like that. Let's take a break. And so he bumps into some molecular biologists and said, you know, he told him what he was doing. They met.

He's like, well, you need to introduce laminine. And he was like, do what? I mean, Giglio never even heard of it. And so, and y'all probably heard the story, but I don't know if everybody has, but if you hadn't, it's fascinating. Yeah, and you can Google this speech, and it's on the Internet, giggle a speech about it. But if you look at the molecule or the, I don't know the science of it all,

that holds ourselves together. It's in a DNA strand, I think. Yeah, DNA strand. Well, it's the shape of a cross, which, I mean, when you read this verse in Colossians 116, that's why everybody went nuts in the Christian world, which is in him or something. 17, in him all things hold together.

They're like, so he has a picture that he shows in his presentation. It's kind of squeakly a little bit. And the opponents of the people who don't believe in God, they're like, well, it's a squiggly cross, though. I mean, it's not a true, because you know how the religious sect of the world has all this jewelry and what I mean, you know, the, oh, you walk in, ooh, everything. in the shape of a perfect cross. And so they try to make a slant on that. It's not about that. I mean, what I'm telling you is I think when people look at everything,

thing through the filter of Jesus, you do notice these things? I mean, do I think it really matters one way or another? But I do think it's interesting because I just think the cells and DNA is so complex. I mean, the DNA itself is the most complex code. in the world. Well, who wrote that? It's in your body. Nobody wrote that unless there's a God.

And by the way, it's unique to every person. Which goes back to the explosion and even at the animal world. They have DNA. Yeah. Who wrote all this stuff? Oh, it's mapping and coding, you know. As I believer, I do think when I see the cross in my key structures of molecules holding together, it's in the shape of cross, I think.

Yep. That makes sense to me. That was the most powerful part of that presentation he does to me. He shows the bigness of God. That's the same one where he talked about if you had this some giant sun that they found in another. Oh, I've used that many times. So that's the same speech. But whether you're looking at the bigness of the universe and how giant everything is,

down to molecular things, you can't even see. with the naked eye, it all shows God doing just what we've talked about in this text. Oh, I've done that. So creating sustainable. Back when I did that off his speech, I think the, you know, that Canis Majoris is the one he used, which back then was like number seven biggest star. Maybe it was number one when he did it. Right. But it was seven.

But now they've found. Now it's like 25th, you know. And it was so big that he had an illustration that if it was something. of a golf ball, you could fill up the state of Texas two foot deep in golf balls. In golf balls. The earth. That many earths in this star. Well, come on.

Now, there's big and there's that. Yeah. And this is not even in the top 20 anymore on the biggest stars you've seen with a telescope. This place is beyond huge. That's not huge. That's a word we've got to come up with. There's not a big enough word. And there's tens of thousands, hundreds of thousands of these stars out here?

Yeah. Come on, man. I mean, did it just happen to a random explosion and then we just happened to... That's why I said when you base it on an explosion. And now I think we have trouble grasping that because now... And salt water, according to them, gave you the ability to recognize these things. There's a few that go the saltwater route. but how'd the salt water get here, you know?

Yeah, you got to start out with something. I mean, you've got to have a... Unfortunately, for them, they start off with an explosion. That's a terrible place to... Well, it ain't because of lack of looking. But where would you start? Because they've looked at them, and the more they look, they say, if we could only find some water, liquid water, so far.

Well, the only planet that has it is ours. That's it. Well, so far. And we even have planets that they found that you could drive a spaceship through. Yeah. You could go through the planet. Oh, yeah. Gashes.

I mean, that's pretty amazing. And how does it stay together, but you can go through it? Well, as a believer, I'm like, oh, yeah, that resurrected body. The only other thing I know that did that was when Jesus went through a door post-resurrection. Well, there just happens to be a planet you can drive a plane through. My way works. Your way does it. You see what I mean?

That's right. So when you read these passages, I mean, I think it's fine to talk about these things because he covers it all. He's like, whether things on heaven, in heaven or on earth, visible or invisible, then he gets into all the powers. Then he talks about holding things together. I mean, you just think about the structure that everything has. and you take out God's life-giving spirit, which in Genesis, he says that,

even his, the separation from that tree and him not, I think the word is contending with their spirit, made them ultimately where they're on a path to death. Right. If you could just get around him, you'll stay alive. That's right. Because he is life. That's what people miss. Yeah.

And that was what John, one, we talked about before. I was going to read this text, Jacks, because you talk about Jesus looking at from his perspective. In John 17, right before he was about to, you know, be put on the cross, he said, Father, the time has come. First one, glorify your son that your son may glorify you. For you granted him authority. He's talking third person. I said, you granted him authority over all people that he might give eternal life to all those you have given him. Now, this is eternal life.

that they may know you, the only true God and Jesus Christ whom you have sent. I have brought you glory on earth by completing the work you gave me to do. And now, Father, glorify me in your presence and the glory I had with you before the world began. I just like the way he describes that in his own words about what we're talking about in Colossians to God himself, to the father. I mean, he's laying out exactly what we're reading about. And he says, I came here. We had this task. I'm about to do it.

And then I'm going to return. And that glory is going to be the same as when we created the whole thing. I mean, it's pretty amazing. Yeah, it's kind of like you just, the earth in our existence. It's kind of like you're just stuck in, stuck a VCR tape into this eternal thing. Right. Person. Right.

I mean, he's eternal. If you're eternal, you're eternal. Right. So interject the planet, people, for a purpose, turn them into eternal, and then live together. Good question to ask is, why do we, out of all things, the world to this day, regardless of the naysayers, how in the world do you end up counting time? Jesus Christ. The reality of time, the years that come and the years that go, it's all based on him. Oh, yeah.

Everything before him is called everything before him. When he arrived, everything since then, and Odomina, year of our Lord. Do you realize how hard that would be for any individual that the world would count time by him, whether they love him or hate him? They still count time by him. He's a time marker. I think some people are trying to change that for that reason. Oh, I know. But what I found...

It won't matter because he's still the marker. Let's take another break. Well, I think that gets into this phrase that I think we should talk about, that one in 15, where it says he is the firstborn over all creation. So what do you all think about that? Well... It's never been out of the first time ever, God is a human being.

At the same time, he's God. He's a human being and God. That's not there is a, that's a tough, that's a tough situation for a person to say, anybody ever can't pull that off? Yeah, and I'm not sure, I'm not sure if he's referring to his birth or if he's referring to the creation of the, of like, Earth. in the universe.

He was the first born over all creation. Right. Well, last... Never been anybody like him. Right. The promise was there, Genesis 315, but the fruition didn't come until they looked up and this heavenly host arrived. And the king said, kill them all, kill all these babies.

Good night. What's what happened here? Well, he shows up. I mean, I mean, that was quite defeat. you know, born in a barn, basically. Right. You like to get him here. Well, that goes back to that Isaiah 9,

we read that prediction that he was going to be a mighty God, wonderful counselor, prince of peace. Well, that threatened the government. They're looking out for that thinking, this is the most powerful being. We need to get rid of him early on. When told, remember, I'll read the lucrative. account when told by an angelic being appears and he told the angel said the uh let's see the prediction is

made and mary the one that's going to guide this principle that someone who is 100% human is also 100% God. How will this be? Mary asked the angel, since I'm a virgin. You're saying I'm going to give birth to this being, this child. How's that going to work? I'm a virgin. The angel answered, the Holy Spirit will come upon you, and the power of the most high will overshadow you. So the holy one to be born will be called the son of God, because his father is in heaven, not on earth, as most human beings get here. He's the firstborn over all creation. Even Elizabeth brings up old Zacharias's wife. Your relative is going to have a child in her old age.

God's going to do this, by the way, right down the road there. Elizabeth, you know her right? Yeah, I know. He said, you know, she's pregnant too. She's nine months. She's seven months. And she was said to be barren, couldn't have kids. And they done got old.

There's a baby coming out of those two. They're like, what? For nothing is impossible with God. I'm God's, I'm the Lord's servant, Mary Annter. May it be as you have said. Then the angel took off. You talk about a while for somebody to sit down for people. and pontificate on that particular event.

First born over all creation because no sperm, no sex, and all of a sudden, he's going to come out of you, little girl. She's like, I'm a virgin. I mean, you just think about it. She said nothing's impossible for God, he can do anything. So it's quite the read. I had a thought on this. So I read Romans 829, which says,

for those God foreknow he predestined to be conformed to the likeness of his son. And the point of Colossians is for us to live a life worthy of the Lord to become like him on earth.

And we read 1st John 3 last time, not only on the earth are we going to be like him, but we're going to be like him at the resurrection. 1 John 3 clearly says we will be like him. He will resurrect us. and we will be changed to be like him. Which is why he says later that he's the firstborn from among the dead as well.

Right. To your point. But then he says that he might be the firstborn among many brothers. Now that caused me some pause when I read that because I thought. And here in Romans, he starts off talking about us that God's got a plan. and he called us to the plan and we become like Jesus somehow in quotations

and in that process he might be the first born among many brothers so those he predest and he called those he called he justified those he justified he glorified then it says what shall we say if God is for us who can be against us so and then he says he who didn't give up his own son he goes to the gospel basically here.

So then it made me turn over to John 1 because I had a thought about this. Because John 1 parallels Colossians 1, as we said, in Philippians 2.5. Hebrews 1. So John says, and we're familiar with this, same terminology in the beginning was the word, words with God, word was God, he was with God in the beginning. So verse 3, if you look at John 1 3 and Colossians 1, 17, through him all things, things were made without him nothing was made that has been made in him was life that life was the light of men which is what it's got through saying he he is life so when they killed him in acts

too that in peter sermon it says well it was impossible for death to keep its hold on him because he is life where we're it's impossible for us to stay alive on earth it's possible to be a complete opposite So you get the Spirit of God because then it won't be possible for you to die. I mean, that's the draw to this. Hang on, Jay. I'll take her last break. But going through the process of Romans aid and speaking of Jesus as the firstborn among the dead and him calling us to that, I mean the firstborn of all creation, I think we've underestimated this John 1 in verse 11.

11. It says he came to that which his own, but his own didn't receive him. Talking about the Jews. Yet to all who received him, now that's everybody. Those who believed in his name, he gave the right to become children of God. And what I'm interjecting, I didn't read this in a book, and I could be wrong. But it just seems like when you look at him being the firstborn over all creation, and you think about the phrases of being a new creation, and what I'm fixed to read, of being born again, born of God. He then says, he gave us the right to become children of God, children born not of natural descent nor of a human decision, but born of God. Which is to your point, Dad. Well, Jesus was the first one born of God. He's the first born.

of God. Correct. But all of a sudden in Romans 8, it says, you know, he called us, he predestined us. There's a plan here, which he goes through the plan right after that, saying Jesus came here. He went around how mankind gets here, sperm, egg, her. Exactly. He said, I ain't talking about that. He said, this is not that.

This is another kind of birth. And this is the first time this has ever happened. Correct. We got someone showing up. there was no sperm and no egg needed. Yeah, but what I'm telling you is... That's hard to get here that way. But two chapters later, he's telling Nicodemus,

you need to be born again. Well, I think he's talking about the same thing. Jesus allows us, he was setting the shadow, for us to be born again. So when he got to Colise's 1, because look, I read all the commentaries about this, and the only part I disagree with a lot of the religious world is that when they get to the mystery being,

revealed in the last part of Colossians 1, which is Christ in you, the hope of glory, well, all of them put that post-resurrection. And I'm like, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, wait a minute. Because I'm like, what about when you're born again, you're born again, you have God's Holy Spirit, which Jesus embodies, and you heard about that through hearing what he did for you, but he embodies it you can't have the spirit without having Jesus in you

or the father for that matter he embodies that so when that happens you've been born a God and it's you're like well how are you born again remember when Nickadeem said well he went back to the

saying it's not making sense I can't be born again I can't get back in my mother's womb no you're born of God Jesus was the first born no womb necessary. And now, no egg, no sperm. When you participate in that, and I believe it's, you know, in the vehicle he chose for

us to surrender, it's not anything you're doing yourself, but when you're baptized, when we get to Coliseans 2, based on who Jesus is, you're then participating in Christ is cutting off your sinful self. he's returning you to your innocent virgin form and you've become a new creation and Jesus set the precedent of that on his arrival. I mean, I just think it's a possibility. That's what he's referring to.

So born again actually agrees with he was the first born. He was the first born. We're being born again in the spirit of Jesus. That's why he said the mystery is the Spirit of Christ in you. I think that's right, Jason. And Paul describes it in Romans. You could make an argument.

We're the first born over our creation because we're in Jesus. Well, he technically was the first born, but we're the first born again in Jesus. Which is the clock is or the counter is ticking. Remember Paul in Romans 5 describes Jesus. in comparison to Adam because Adam was the first man on the earth but also the first couple committed the first sin which created a need for reconciliation

which that's why Jesus had to come here so that's the way Paul described it he said you know sin death came through a man he said but now life also comes to a man and he compares it to Christ so that just that's a and I don't think each in his own turn Christ, the first fruits, then when he comes, those who belong to. Yeah. And I don't think it's an accident that he chose something, baptism,

that number one was not in the old law. I looked it up. It's not in there. No. Nothing about baptism in the law of law. Nope. It was not a law. And number two, it's something that you don't do any kind of performance in

because someone, the act of it, is you giving up your performance, desire, goals, whatever. You giving up. And someone then does something to you in the physical part of it. You're physically not doing anything except being dunked. Yep. I mean, you think that's a coincidence that he chose that? There's something not in the law.

Yep. It's not a law. Right. Because you can't, your performance, he's real clear on that. Certainly not a work. It's not a work. No. We've ruled that out.

And there's nothing magical about the water. There's nothing magical about the water. It's not because he addresses that in First Peter. I'm like you're taking a bath now. Right. What are he doing here? Yeah. But it's a pledge of a good conscience towards God.

Well, what is the pledge? It is that Jesus Christ is Lord. He's the son of God. And he is the, you just name these 12 things. He's the image of God. He's the first born overall creation. He's created all things. And he's created, not only was it by him, but it was for him.

He created me because I'm part, we're part of that creation. And you literally can have this. He's above all other power of any human power, my government, me went through the whole list. That's why the reality is in him. Yeah. Real. Yeah. Well, the supremacy and the reality.

He's the supreme being. Right. There's only one. That's why when people say, well, I'd be more comfortable if you just say he wasn't the supreme, but there's only one supreme. Or it wouldn't be supreme. Right. There's a.

You can't be co-s supreme. One is supreme, the other's not. That's right. So you say, what do I have to be to be supreme? You have to be, you have to have these 12 characteristics. If you're before everything, if you've conquered death, if you're over all the powers, if you can be an innocent sacrifice, you can make peace, your blood. You can create all things not only by your hand, but for you.

what else did I leave out whether visible invisible invisible all things hold together sustainer yeah yeah you got to be able to hold all things together that's a tricky one but if you take god's energy out of created things I guarantee you I don't know what that would look like but probably something like a shooting star just from a global universal which is a dying star which is a dying star which is all right so we're out of time uh we'll we'll hash a little bit more of this in the uh the overtime if you want to follow us over thanks for listening to the unashamed podcast help us out by rating us on iTunes and don't miss an episode by subscribing on youtube and be sure to click that little bell

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