Unashamed with the Robertson Family - Ep 482 | Phil Warns Against Counterfeit Miracles & How to Remove the Curse on America

Episode Date: May 22, 2022

Phil says the Founding Fathers probably never even considered that modern-day Americans would argue over slaughtering their own little ones. Jase talks about the lie that was told to the beginning of humanity, that we could be like God ... without God. Phil warns against the counterfeit miracles that work to conceal evil so that mankind may be deceived and confuse the good for evil and the evil for good. Al and Jase discuss the "curse" that clings to America because it is a land that allowed for the killing of innocents through the practice of abortion.  Watch the Unashamed overtime show, only on BlazeTV: https://BlazeTV.com/Unashamed - Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

I am unashamed. What about you? So I guess we talked about two podcasts in a row. We might as well make it three because yesterday you had to run off to town. But dad had the rest of what was left of those ops he caught. How are they? Oh, my. They were so good.

I hadn't had a thought of places in probably two or three years. That needs running today. So I've got it timed where every time you run out. I don't have one net, but it's a, it's a dozy. It's a good one. I may have to go take a look, be a part of that. Take a little look. We'll tell you a story maybe.

Well, it was funny. So, Jace, I get over there. And dad, by the time I get over from here, I mean, he's already mealing them and the greases, you know, going, which was great because I was in a hurry. And so mom had left, gone to town or something. Well, she had tried to delay the catfish because she wanted to eat some. So she sends Dan to town to get some sandwich stuff for dad and then left a note for dad. Well, Dad never saw the note or Dan.

So I was glad because I was thinking. It sounds like a poor note placement to me. She had it over there in the kitchen, but I don't know. Did you see the note, Dad? I never asked you if you actually. I don't know. They have words for it. senile

you know you have a master's in English he's trying to be nice your mama hit about 75 she can't remember what she said

five minutes ago five seconds ago really we've noticed there's no problem I don't she's very jolly about it which is good

you know but so anyway so she I tried to call her because so I ate some fish and took a couple of pieces with me

because I had to roll, burnt my roof of my mouth, which right out of the grease. So, which is, you know, bad. But, so I was going to call her and say, boy, I sure enjoyed those fish, you know, and I was going to tell her we ate them all, you know, because she, and just, you know, get her going. But she never answered the phone. I didn't get her. Look, I called her three times on Mother's Day. She didn't ask the phone.

I know. Oh, yeah. So a week goes by. She came to my, she came to Mia's little. Oh, yeah. graduation free. So I said, well, I'm just going to act like that never happened. And I said, well, happy Mother's Day.

And she's like, oh, yeah. I mean, it was like I gave her a week later. That's what I was like. But that's the beautiful thing about her forgetting now. Does she realize that it's been a week? She honestly didn't care. I saw no sense of. No, because in the old days, if you didn't call her, like you heard about it.

She did recognize. said she had her phone off for a few days she said oh i forgot that i turned my phone off for a few days i thought she was going to say a few hours she was with her favorite son uh chap on mother's day so i think that that's all she needed was i will say her one goal in life in her mid 70s what what she constantly make sure of throughout all the we're going over here to this one now they'll get to run her she's got a She's got an assistant that goes with her now that does the driving, you know. Yeah, good idea. But anyway, she has one underlying goal that never fails.

Do I have the man something to eat? Yeah. Phil needs to be fed. Do I have something to eat? That's a noble quality. It is. Yeah. So another thing, Jays, I thought was interesting. I just found out, because we talked about Mayo Jelly,

I think last time we did a few podcasts ago. But Phyllis, our sister, has now transitioned because she actually, she and Tony, when Dad was doing the thing, he showed her what to do, and she watched last year, too. And then she actually made the Mayhall Jelly, and I had some, and it's just like Dad's. I mean, it's delicious. I monitored it. I first did she showed her, and she'd watch it. I said, now it's time for y'all.

to see if you could pull a dog. She said, I think we can do this. I said, all right. She had her son and daughter-in-law there. First she got on their hands and knees, picking them up, picking up to Mayhaw's. So they got them a pretty good little bit. She said, what would this make, you think? And I said, about 20 pints.

I just looked at the pot. She said, how would you know that? I said, when you may get longer enough, you'll know. So I showed her how to take the berries, bring them to a ball, mash the berries, get the juice out of them, how much water to put in the pot, make sure you get nice and flavorful jelly. So I turned her loose, I monitored. I'm watching every move they make, the amount of sugar jail, how long, one minute, and when it comes to a foam, let it go down, add your sugar, you know, bring it back to a ball, go one minute, 60 seconds, got to be looking at it,

a little pat of butter, and one little dash of lemon juice, and I'm going through the thing, thing here but so then i sat down and i watched how they were doing and then i'd give a little advice from time to time but she started was she nervous no but she was making sure she wasn't you know she's a little nervous i mean you've only been doing that about 50 years i'd hate for you just to be right over my shoulder well i thought it made it easier for them and then i watched the first batch out and i say i tell you what then i'm watching hats set up and i'm all of it was setting up when they were sealing the jars and had to show them how to get all the microbes off the lids and then you know the boiling water and so you you know you i said microbes

microbes you got to remember no one has ever fallen ill over eating our jelly not one that we know of it but you don't want any microbes on them lids and all that you got to keep it clean so i noticed though that they weren't they didn't have a hundred percent confidence because they wrote thomas on top of all the ones that they did just in case it didn't turn out well. They didn't want to just mix it in with it. That was a bold move. I've had, I actually broke my diet and had a biscuit with that on and it was fantastic. It's crazy that's occurring to me that Phil, down here, you once famously said that down here you are nine one one, but you're also the CIA, you're also the FDA. Every letter. You're in your own little world down here. I've tried to be.

I have made it my ambition, which that means what are you want out of life? Live a quiet life. You said, what? First, that's something else. Mind your own business. That keeps you off the Internet. So it's much easier to live a godly life in Christ Jesus. I'm going to go out on a limb here.

It's much easier if you never have a cell phone and computer stuff. in with the mix. You're way better off. If you won't, a quiet life mind your own business, work with your hands so you won't be dependent on anybody. It's a lot easier if you don't go through the ravages of the computer world. But to pull off what you've done, you will have... I hear there's a lot of yeah-ya-cursings and carrying on.

A lot of yeah-ya-a-a-but you've got to have a Dan to really complete what you've managed to pull off. Dan is my... have an unplug from the world thanks to the day. He gives me information. He got off the Internet that is pertinent for me to see. He said, you got a note here. So, Dan, he keeps up with all that.

That's right. He's good. So I do want to mention that Tony, being the very talented artist, because they made this mayhow jelly, he started a new series. I think it's Tonythomasart.com, if you want to check it out. And he's got a painting that we're going to show on a. of four jars in Mayhaal jelly. It's beautiful. I mean, it looks just like this jar of jelly.

So he started a new series. So check that out. Also, I want to mention one thing before we get into our study. You know, there's a lot of pro-life opportunities, I think, that are coming down the pike now because we're kind of waiting on this row of the way deal. And I want to mention a group that's called the Reliance Center. Lisa and I spoke out in Idaho. Heather's is the girl's name.

She has got something going on out there. So I know a lot of times some of you are looking for. someplace to give or support the pro-life movement. And I highly suggest them. And Kay's going to put up the URL. It's my eGiving.com. And then there's some slashes there. He'll give you that.

But, you know, great calls. These people are doing great work on the front line. So, and get engaged and get involved. Because this is a moment, I think, for our nation. I think that has said it before. I think we've been under a curse. No doubt. Since the 70.

So I'm hoping the curse will be lifted. Empires. have fallen, many empires have fallen by the way they treat their children. Yep. They slaughter their babies. The Old Testament's full of it. Full of it. Full of it.

Terrible stuff. So anyway, we wanted to... Who was the old, the god of... Molek. Molek. Yeah, Molet. They sacrificed their children down the ravines. I mean, they had them burned.

I mean, it's a sad story of... When there's a lot of different ways to get involved. What evil is like and manifests itself in many ways, but slaughtering your own children and you're destined to collapse as an empire. It's terrible. And a lot of ways to get involved, Jason and Missy are doing it right now. You know, there's foster care, there's adoption, there's working on the side, on the abortion side.

So a lot of good opportunities for sure. Anything else, Chase? Did you have anything? What were you launched into Colossians? No, but when I was reading this, Colossians, I mean, you realize, I mean, he has this beautiful, depiction of who Jesus is. And we said it was almost like a song from 15 through 20.

Yeah, three or so. And then all of a sudden he gets unbelievably, or believably, I guess, personal. Because then he said in 21, once you were alienated from God and were enemies in your minds because of your evil behavior. but now he's reconciled you by Christ's physical body through death to present you wholly in a sight without blemish free from accusation if you continue in your faith established and firm not moved from the hope held out in the gospel and we said this earlier it's kind of a reminder of 1st Corinthians 15 where he reminded the Corinthians of the gospel you're like how are these people forgetting Jesus I mean, these are, it's not like we're talking about the world here. I mean, they were, they had heard the gospel.

So what's the problem? These other people had come in and brought up different teachings and philosophies that he called hollow and deceptive. So I just, the question that hit me is, you know, where are you at without Jesus? I mean, where are you at? Without Jesus. It's the bedrock, your question. Where are you without Jesus?

It's the bedrock from Matthew, Mark, Luke, John, Acts, Romans, all the way to the Corinthians. We covered that. Now you get to Colossi. It's the same show he did. The bedrock is always laid as the foundation before he goes on and says what he has to say. Right. He lays the groundwork and the gospel is always at the centerpiece. every all our listeners, you need to go start with Matthew, Mark, Luke, John, go on, go on, go over that.

And you say, just look at every epistle, the Gospels, which is rightfully said, four different men writing the same story over and over and over. The bedrock is being laid. You have to have it down like that in your study of the Bible. Right. And it's in every one of these epistles right there on the front end, like Colossians here, it's right there at the centerpiece. Well, since the day you heard it, not long and drawn out, high theology, no theology, nope, since the day you heard it. It was covered in just a few hours. Yeah, it was always the starting point. Hang on. Let's take a break. Well, when you, you'll get to the end of the book of Colossians, and I found something interesting. We've made reference to it before, but he said after you read this letter, then you go to Laotasia, which was right up the road.

I don't know the geographical distance, but pretty close. It was, yeah, less than 100 miles, I think. No, it's like 15 miles. That's somewhere up around where he, this Colise is wearing Turkey, up in there around Turkey somewhere, let's see, modern Turkey. Yeah. Well, 100 miles east of Ephesus. But he said, well, read this letter in La Eccasia.

Well, you know, we read in Revelation, so I just had a, I was going to say a funny thought, but it's not funny because it's, It's scary. But, you know, the letter to the church in Laotacea, which was right down the road from Colosse, this is where the warm, the lukewarm water was. I think Colise, I remember that's where the cold water, so I guess it was up in the mountains, which was, you know, good for an ice drink, I guess, on a warm day or ice. I mean, you're thinking it was something good about that.

It's also why the earthquakes kept getting these cities. Well, then you had the hot springs was whatever city that Laoticea was in between. Hieropolis. Yeah, Hieropolis. There was the three right there together. That's it. But I did think about this. So he writes this in Revelation, John, you know, has this vision.

And he says, these are the words of the amen, the faithful and true witness. I know your deeds. You're neither cold or hot, which goes to that. He kind of made a geographical illustration. to a spiritual problem. And he says, and it's kind of frightening because he's like, you're lukewarm, which literally makes the Lord sick. I'll spit you out of my mouth.

Right. And you say, I am rich, and I've acquired wealth and don't need a thing, but you do not realize that you're, you know, wretched, pitiful, poor, blind, and naked. Because what the question I ask is, that's what you are without Jesus. I mean, you can't be really. without Jesus. Because everything that you have will either be given to somebody else,

burn up, be lost, including your whole life. I mean, so there's no true rich. That's why I think he mentioned several times that Colossians, riches, treasure, Jesus is the treasure. I'm not a good enough historian to know, one of y'all may know,

But if you go there in modern day, today, Islam has taken over pretty well the whole Middle East. So the warnings were there. The bedrock was laid at Colossi, but now if you want over there, there's a surge of people coming to Jesus over there. Right now as I speak, mostly refugees that are coming. through Turkey. So we're having a little rebound here, but I don't know when the Muslims rolled in. I mean, in the... Well, Muhammad was around 600, 5 to 600 is when that's when

his revelation or whatever. So all these warnings here, he's trying to warn them before it comes, but they looked up one day and whatever happened to Jesus, to your point. Well, they were putting you know, worldly things in front of Jesus, and he was kind of admoning. And he was kind of, punishing them to look for pain, actually, perseverance and trials to get their eyes right. He said, so you can see, because they had become so comfortable. Well, the point I was going to make. I guess they were part of the Roman Empire, I would think, at the time. Yeah.

Yeah. In fact, the Romans rebuilt those cities twice in the first entry. The point I was going to make, though, is in this paragraph in Revelation is one of the most famous. passages in the Bible. And he gets to it and says, here I am. Jesus is red letters. I stand at the door and knock. If anyone hears my voice and opens the door,

I will come in and eat with him and he with me. That verse has probably been used in more altar calls and invitations of any other verse. Yeah, more songs written. You know, it hit me. And I found it funny. I kind of laughed out loud. when I thought about it.

He's knocking on the door of a church that they're in there and they've shut him out. That's true. And Jesus is knocking on the door saying, hey, if you hear my... Because you're right,

we've always illustrated that as being your heart, like the door of your heart. But you're right, in context, it was the door of a church. There's still... Well, yeah, theoretically. It's my understanding of these.

wars we just had in the Middle East over the last decade, but there were little vestiges of Christians still over there in modern day, modern day Turkey. There were a few, and a lot of them were slaughtered, you know, during all these wars we had, you know, and then a lot of them were fleeing to Turkey so now, but there are a lot of them still being converted there, but there were old, old school religious A lot of Greek Orthodox is one of the prevailing ones that kind of hung on through there. To be honest. In fact, I think they should have listened more carefully to what Pastor Paul is saying.

Obviously. But you had churches set up, they heard the gospel. And then in this case, I do think it was, because this was a booming city. It was very, I mean, they had a lot going for them. and they just, the worries of this life, the deceitfulness of wealth, it's kind of like that third heart, and they just put Jesus on the back burner. And that's why the theme here. That's modern day America, by the way, Jason.

Well, that's why I'm bringing it up. I see a lot of similarities here because this is not, we usually always think, oh, these people on the world need Jesus. Well, there's a lot of churches that need Jesus. That's true. Because most of the ones... It sounds crazy. Well, how can he be any more graphic?

He comes to the church, Jesus himself, and says, look, you're making me sick. I'm literally vomiting at what I'm seeing. And so I'm knocking on the door saying, what about me? Plus, think about this, Jay. Think about the time frame. So these were written around 60. And John's Revelation is somewhere, you know, most... scholars think between 90 and 100.

So you're only talking about 30 plus years. Yeah. And you get that challenge that in that much time, they've already lost sight of who Jesus is in these churches, you know, in Revelation, which is pretty amazing. It just made me think, though, when I saw that word, when it says that Jesus made us holy to be presented holy in his sight without blemish. and free from accusation. Well, who is known as the accuser?

The evil one. And what usually happens is we, you know, we tend to think of the evil one as some Hollywood depiction, some character with a red with a pitch for. But actually, when you go back to the garden and see how he functioned, it was through deceit. You know, it even says he was more crafty. He's crafty.

And the way it all went down, it was a justification. And a lot of the things that he was promoting was actually good. Even Eve, when she finally took the fruit, she looked at the good. She's like, oh, it's good for food. Yeah. She has a desire. So that her emotions were, yeah, and it makes you smart. Yeah.

Well, he masquerades as a child of light. He masquerades. Well, and he uses counterfeit. Miracle. It's like you, you know, it's like you change. All you'd have to do, I mean, and just to give an analogy, if you went into a store and you wanted to buy a duck call, since we made duck calls for years,

and you're thinking they're going to be $39,99, you know, whatever, You go into a store and unbe-knowing to you, somebody has put a sticker on it that says free. Well, you're like, that's awesome. This is my lucky day. I've got a free duck haul. And since it's free, I don't even have to send it to the cashier. Put in your pocket. Because somebody put a sticker on it.

So you could justify that in your mind. and feel pretty good about it. Now, did you steal? Did you steal that? People say, well, you should have known. Well, I mean, what if the store was just promoting, saying, here's a freak. But somebody else put a sticker. And I think it gets to the evil one.

You know, he doesn't make you sin. It just gives you a situation. Because he did lie when he said, you won't die. That was just a lie. Yeah. And so when I read that, you know, the agent. But it was actually a partial truth because he could say, well, I meant you're not going to physically just fall out for me. See, that's the way he does.

It's these, it's half truths and just enough truth in a lie to make it sound reasonable. But how many times the people fail because of that? Let's take a break. So what I'm saying, if you pick out all the negative things because he reminded them, he said, you were alienated from God, you were enemies in your minds because of your evil behavior. But before you think these are just people way out in the world, I mean, if you, it doesn't matter if you're in, if you're in a church building and you've listened to the lies and you're under this delusion and you're being deceived, I guess my point is, very few people are out there recognizing this alienation and they're an enemy of God. it's not that simple. It's kind of like the garden.

Oh, well, I mean, did God really say, well, what did he actually say? You start questioning, you start going through, and there's decedent is involved, counterfeit. Even when you see magicians, I mean, what's the whole deal? They'll, they distract you by looking at one thing, and they're actually doing the trick. It's an illusion. But I've seen some of them. I stand there looking at them, and I couldn't tell you.

trying not to get distracted so you can really see it and you still miss it. And every once in a while there's just a thought that thinks, did he, I mean, does he really have some kind of, because that, I was looking right at that guy. He really made the statue. I mean, I know it's fake. And I mean, it's kind of like if you got a counterfeit $100 bill. What do you do with it? That's a tough one.

Somebody paid you $100 and then you go, you know how they always. look it up, you know, look up in the light. Well, what if they said, you know what? I'm sorry, sir, this is counterfeit. What are you going to do? Out of a hundred. There's a temptation to go try to pawn it off somewhere else is in the real world.

That's $100, you know? Yep. You got duped, and you experienced all the joy of this temporary getting your money, and now you realize it's fake, so it compounds a problem by you trying to get your $100 back. Most people would. Har upon the unfairness of it. You're right.

This is unfair. But that's the thing about it. When it comes to evil, there's nothing fair. Yeah. The evil one doesn't play fair, and he never has. You know, it's interesting, Jay's because he talks here about the gospel. And then he says, this is the gospel we heard that has been proclaimed to every creature under heaven, which we talked about before. You know, that was the whole purpose of these writings that Paul was doing is to keep reaching beyond.

But I've jotted down kind of some verse. They were told. every one of them. Right. They were all told. It at least got out. Yep. And this is all done fairly quickly.

But you know, you were talking about the garden, Jason. Genesis 315, we get the first glimpse just after what Jason just described happened, that there would be born of a woman. There was going to be reconciliation. The seed of a woman. Reconciliation was coming. And then when you follow the path, because when we started this podcast, We did an Old Testament survey because you get to Genesis 12 through 15 and then you see that seed line through Abraham, Isaac, Jacob. So we see that going forward.

Zachariah 6 says there's going to be a prophet, priest, and king that's going to a shoot that comes up out of Israel, again pointing to Jesus. Yeah, Isaiah said he was like a root out of dry ground. Exactly. And then Isaiah 53 says he just gives you the picture of what it's going to look like. Listen to these, Psalm 110, verse one, there's going to be a high priest that mediates in heaven. Psalm 16, there will be one who will be resurrected from the dead. His body will not see decay. Psalm 6.8, there will be one who ascends into heaven to return the same.

I mean, these are all Old Testament prophecies thousands of years before it happened, pointing to the one. And then when Jesus got here. So, you know, when you think about it. He made the path to Jesus. He made it clear. He made it very clear. And so therefore, in Romans, no one is without excuse. You can't say, well, we just, we didn't know.

But I think that's why I think it was all based on deceit. I mean, the reason I went down this road, and obviously as I kept reading through it, if you jump to chapter 2 and verse 4, a word's going to stand out to you now. Because he says, I tell you, I tell you this. so we'll have to back up and read what he told him after I read this. I tell you this so that no one may deceive you, I tell you this so that no one may deceive you by fine-sounding arguments. Well, who does that sound like?

You go back to the garden. There was a lot of fine-sounding arguments. But when you kind of break them down, you look at what God offered Adam and Eve. I would say tens of thousands of trees that they could say yes to. One no. There was one no. Well, they weren't thinking about the 10,000 upon 10,000 of yeses. Because once they said that one yes, well, then they lost the tens of thousands of yeses.

That's right. Got kicked out. Which is the consequences. And you say, well, what was the common denominator there? there, deceit. So then he says it again in chapter 2 and verse 8. See to it that no one takes you captive through hollow and deceptive philosophy. Well, who does that sound like?

Which depends on human tradition and basic principles of this world rather than on Christ. I just thought it was worthy of note that he's talking to. of church people here. They had lost their way. And to think that the evil one doesn't work in that capacity or like you can recognize it. Yeah. It's hard to recognize because you're deceived.

That's how you get off point. And once you're deceived, then you'll even argue and get around other people around you to give support to your hollow and flawed arguments. Yeah. That's what happens. You're right. And us being Christians, you know, believers, disciples, when we see what goes on in the world, you said this many times, Jay's.

I mean, it shouldn't be, it shouldn't shock us as much as it does because that's what blinded, unbelieving people look like. That's what they do. They don't realize they're being deceived by the evil. They're not our enemy. The evil one is our enemy. And he's just got control of their hearts and minds. And so, you know, we see the way people behave.

And we're all just shaking our head thinking, you know, how do you go in and shoot up a grocery store full of people? You're just like, it's so evil. Or they scream and they are so animated and to kill their children. Yeah, it just doesn't make any sense, right? You said, why would a group of people scream and hollow? Because we have the right to kill human beings. You know why? 50 years of hollow and deceptive philosophy. That's right.

of somehow thinking that makes it. Surely the human race would never turn on the most vulnerable of all of us. It's when we were little children. You know, babies in the womb. You say, surely you wouldn't get a bunch to say we have to kill. And I know I've never seen people so animated about it. No. They're screaming at the top of their lungs and a lot of what they're saying.

You're like, you know, you're talking about hollow and deceptive philosophy. Yeah, it's just terrible. A veil over them, they just can't see through it. But I'm saying in this context, hang on Jason, take a baby. In this context, when he said, see that people don't deceive you, when you go back and say it, when he says, I tell you this in 2-4,

what he just told them was, I want you to know in verse 1 and chapter 2. It says, I want you to know how much I'm struggling for you. And for those at Laotasia, that's why I went back and read that. Well, this is that, Luke. warm bunch that the world had just made them, I mean, I don't even know what the word is. What is the spiritual equivalent to lukewarm? Well, you just, you look like, I mean, there's no difference. You're going through the motions.

Right. Without Jesus. Without Jesus. Because if you don't have Jesus, you don't have a purpose. I mean, that eliminates your purpose. And your future is now in question. because he's the only one that promises life after death. So it says,

and for all who have not met me personally, my purpose is that they may be encouraged in heart and united and love so that they may have the full riches of complete understanding in order that they may know the mystery of God, namely Christ, the one knocking at the door of their building. And this was a lot more embraced a letter like this to Colossi for Christian people. Because the question would be, well, why would the founders, our founding fathers, why wouldn't they put in the Constitution? By the way, never turn on your children and kill them.

You know what? I think, I think they never thought humanity would stoop that level. Yeah, it wouldn't even be something. I don't think they had in mind, you know, we'll get to a point within 200 years here to where they'll turn on their own children and slaughter them. I don't even think the founders thought we would ever reach that low down and sorry and murderous people that we are. I mean, last week, I mean, it's something like over 100.

We're shot dead. You know, throw in the little supermarket, throw that in there and the church out there in California. But you say there was another 90, 80 or 90 that was slaughtered in the streets of America. Right. You're like, what is this? When you see that much death and that much murder, where there'd be infants or on the streets of a major city, When you see that kind of stuff, you can know Satan is having a field day. He's alive and well.

Well, when you read James 1.13, it kind of gives you the picture of how you get to that point because it says when tempted, no one should say God is tempted me. For God cannot be tempted by evil, nor does he tempt anyone. But each one is tempted when by his own evil desire he is dragged away and entice. after desire gives birth to sin. Sin, when it's full grown, gives birth to death. Yep. Spiritally and sometimes physically, to your point.

But watch what he says in the next verse. Don't be deceived. Getting back to this deceit, which I know started in the garden. Every good and perfect gift is from above, coming down from the Father of the Heavenly Lights who doesn't change like shifting shadow. and this goes back to what we talked about last podcast. He chose to give us birth through the word of truth.

That's saying. That we might be kind of a first fruit. Well, if Jesus is the first born of all the creation, the point I was making about he's giving us the right to become sons and daughters of God, we become the first fruits of what he created through the new birth. He's laying the foundation. And so was Paul to the Colossians. And James, you say they all start with the bedrock.

Jesus, his death, burial, and resurrection. The Word of Truth. Short message. It's not long and drawn out. Colossians got it in one day from Epiphas. Since the day you heard it. Isn't it Peter that gives you that picture that it's a foundation? Yep.

Starts with Jesus. Then they build on it. And it's like a spiritual house. It was his description of it. And we're just like bricks to keep being added into the building. Yeah. I think, though, when you go back, when you try to define deceit, the evil one, what he did, because we just read where sin comes from.

There's a process that starts in our mind. But in the case of the garden, the evil one took something good and turned it bad. I mean, he was basing everything, his whole argument and thought process, he would take something good and he was wanting to turn it in into bed. You go back and read it. There was a lot of positives. The promise was the lie was when you'll be like God. Yeah. Yeah.

Without God. Without him. No, they didn't put that in there. But you'll have the knowledge of God. What he's actually saying is you'll be your own God. You'll be, but you'll have the knowledge of God without God. stuff. Yeah.

That was the part he left out because that's what it means to be alienated from God. Right. And you become your own God, which that's the point I wanted to make. Because when you read Hebrews 5, I think something we take for granted is the ability to distinguish good from evil, which is the world's oldest trick. And I did it when I was a kid. But when you do something wrong and you're confronted about it, your best excuse is said, well, I didn't know it was wrong.

I didn't know that was wrong. Yeah. How are you going to punish me? I didn't know. Well, how many people have been pulled over and said, and some state trooper says, here's what you did. And you're like, well, I didn't know. I didn't know the speed limit change.

I didn't know that this thing or the other. I mean, does that get you off the hood? Yeah. Which I think in this setting in Coloss. and they're all sitting in the church building, and somebody's knocking at the door, and they're like, well, who's that? When they're like, well, what's Jesus?

So, well, what's he on? Oh, we're doing something wrong here? I mean, it's the same. Yeah. Because you justified it in your mind. Let's take our last prayer. I think this is an interesting passage about growing in Jesus. I don't mean just growing,

growing in your relationship, not being duped into trying to attain, you know, the knowledge of God or being your own God without God being the filter. But Hebrews 5, 11 says, we have much to say about this, but it's hard to explain because you're slow to learn. In fact, though by this time you ought to be teachers, you need someone to teach you the elementary truths of God's word all over again. you need milk, not solid food, which is why I went here because it reminds me of what's going on in Colossé. Anyone who lives on milk being still an infant is not acquainted with the teaching about righteousness,

but solid food is for the mature. And here's the key phrase, who by constant use have trained themselves to distinguish good and evil. Well, you wouldn't think it would be hard to distinguish good from evil. but it is real hard when you're being deceived. So we'll read that verse. As the acts of sinful nature are obvious. Well, it is obvious once you do the act. I mean, you pretty well know in your mind and your conscience.

Right. But leading up to it, that's when it gets blurry. Well, you know, that's where the deceit comes in. It's always murky in that moment. And look. Yes, why I was, Jay's, we were just had. Lee and I were doing premarital counsel with a young couple. You know, obviously this young couple are both believers.

And so they've made a commitment that, you know, they don't want to be, they didn't want to have sex before they got married. And I said, you know, what you, for that to happen, you've got to be very deliberate in how you date and how you go forward before you get to that day. because if you're not, if you just get in situations and then just let biology run its course, I mean, you'll fail over and over and over again without that deliberate idea. So it's kind of what you're describing. By the way, it's a lot more organized than you think it is. When John the Apostle was writing 1st, 2nd, John, 1st, 2nd, 3rd John, chapter 2, You said, Dear children, this is the last hour.

As you've heard that the Antichrist is coming, even now many Antichrist have come. And he's talking to them at Colossi. Don't let anybody use deceptive and hollow philosophy. This is how we know it's the last hour. They went out from us, but they did not really belong to us. For if they had belonged to us, they would have remained with us. But they're going showed that none of them belonged to us. but you have an anointing from the Holy One and all you know the truth.

I don't write this to you because you do not know the truth, because you do know it, and no lie comes from the truth. Who's the liar? It's the man who denies that Jesus is the Christ. Such a man is the Antichrist. He denies the father and the son. No one who denies the son has the father. Whoever acknowledges the son has the father.

Whoever acknowledges the son has, has a father, has the father also. So he went on over there, you know, and said, this is how you can recognize the spirit of God. Every spirit that acknowledges that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is from God. There's always the bedrock is laid on who Jesus is, the God who became flesh. many way back there and to this day they're saying impossible no way well that's what people don't they forget that for you for the sin to happen in the garden the humans had to kick God out of the garden right you're like well they can't kick him out well they did in that moment they kicked it they weren't acknowledging his presence yeah I know one thing without a lot of

trouble ever since in fact they thought they could hide from him Then they hid from him, which validates my point. And also with this with Jesus, you know why he's knocking on the door? Because some of them it kicked him out. That's right. Exactly. But they didn't do it obviously. It just happened, I think, the same way in the garden where you start asking the wrong questions.

You listen to the wrong voices. Right. And you're right. If this could happen in the first century. Yep. So closely, I mean, where people actually, we're still around, a few of them. This has been going on for two millenniums. Now we're telling me a couple thousand years.

Yep. How easy is it for churches to not realize that Jesus is not leading the training? And what are churches? I mean, he says it here. We're members of the body. He is the head of the body, the church. The body's not going to function real well if it's not unified. You can have a more drastic illustration of that.

There's a mighty throng of various churches scattered across the earth. Trust me what I tell you this, Chase. They're not going to invite you to talk to them. No, that's right. You just don't look like you got it together, Jason. I know. And my point is, look, that's like severing your pinky and just putting it to the side and said, You don't need that.

They don't need that. Then they go down the road and they meet somebody else. What? They went a little toe. That's right. But at some point, the more you alienate the body, it just becomes a bunch of body parts that are scattered everywhere. Well, then that's creepy. Right.

And it was a serial killer or the body of Christ, you know? Well, and if you look at America herself, it's just one country, one place. But just over our short history, because we haven't been around that long. Not at all. But there were at least three, I think, different revivals, awakenings where a lot of people came to Christ and said, man, we got to get this thing going. I mean, after the Civil War, it's like, what are we doing? I mean, we're killing ourselves. And so every time we've had a return to godliness, for the most part, as a nation, we've had great blessing and success.

But then it just goes right back into this because of the deceiver. This is right. I mean, so. Well, and us listening to the deceiver. Because, I mean, we're not just talking about other people. You don't even recognize evil as evil and good as good, going back to the Hebrews 5 there. If you're having trouble even recognizing what good and evil is, you're on a road to hell. You got to remember that it comes to every individual.

I mean, we all are sinners. Correct. And so when it says the evil is the father of all lives, you know what that means? Well, he's got some sons. Yeah, doing some work. Yeah. You know? Remember John 8?

When Jesus was looking at he says, your father is the devil. That's, I mean, that's, that's harsh. Yeah, that's what I mean. It was true. They were spreading this same kind of nonsense, deceit. Well, the good news is that, and we're just in the first, you know, chapter of this book, which is a short book, but it's, we hadn't even, I mean, he's going to really get into the reaches of it in the next chapter.

He got personal right here. He did. He's like, now look, he talked about that great. He heard about him as a body and here's Jesus. Then he said, now look, you were once alienated and enemies because he's going to bring up that deceitful philosophy that's coming back into their lives again. Post Jesus. Yep. Which is scary.

It's a scary thought for us. It is. The evil one's not going to give up, and that's just the way it is. And you're right, the fact that it was the sister church in the sister city that we read about what happened to them in Revelation. I mean, it's hitting close to home, you know, when Paul writes this book and writes his letter to these. I mean, the moral of the story is you don't want to be in church and have Jesus knocking at the door saying, let me in. And then once he gets in, you don't want him saying, look, you make me sick. Don't want that.

Those two things that by your life and philosophy, you want to avoid. That's right. Two things you do want to have. We're out of time. We're going to shift over to overtime. We'll kind of finish up this passage. We got a special guest coming into our surprise guest, Jason, into our next podcast for our audience. So we'll see in the overtime to finish this up in Colossians 1 and 2.

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