Unashamed with the Robertson Family - Ep 488 | Phil Robertson Warns That More Rules Won't Fix Spiritual Problems

Episode Date: June 1, 2022

Phil points to the lack of fathers and the breakdown of the American family structure for most of our societal problems and calls it a devastating tragedy. Jase shares a story about opening his home to his kids' friends and having a night of worship. Jase also recounts the harrowing time a large thug threatened his family in his own front yard and how angry he was, but eventually the young guy came clean and threw away his drugs after many long talks with Jase. And Phil reminds people that you can't fix a spiritual problem with more rules, codes, and lawmakers. Watch the Unashamed overtime show, only on BlazeTV: https://BlazeTV.com/Unashamed - Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

I am unashamed. What about you? So we're back. I'm still at the Southern Lair. I'm awaiting my family. Jace, we call the yearly family vacation. We call it, for years we've called it E.B.P. Everybody but Phil. Because dad doesn't go to the beach. But the rest of us go. Of course, we play golf and, you know, eat and have a good time. I think this year it's E. B, P, W.

Yeah. I don't think Willie's going to be there for whatever. Willie is now playing the role of Phil will be Willie because I think this is the third year in a row that he's no-showed our vacation. So I guess he's gotten too big for us, Jay. I don't do vacations because my life is a big vacation. Yeah, that's pretty funny. Yeah, why would you go anywhere, Dad? I mean, you're living the dream, right?

That's it. You ever just stopped, Phil? and look around and say, I'm on vacation. Yesterday I'm looking at them opaloosa's cat I caught. There's five more in that net. What would you do with them? Huh? Old Red was there.

I kept one, gave him four. Good grief. Oh, Jace, got the short stick. If you figure out whatever happened to the saw that, you know, it was. Disappeared. Yeah, disappeared about like themopoulousous cat. I had a cane saw down here, but it disappeared. Well, I had, I spent, you know, this is unusual.

Usually we film a couple of days during the week. I don't know how they distribute these podcasts, but we're doing a link. We're actually working a little ahead, yeah. Yeah, we're kind of linked. Due to vacations and other, other, where I'll be promoting the TV show at some point. Yeah, that's coming soon, huh, Jase? It is. It's coming up next month?

Or is this, is this still May, April? It may be June. By the time this comes out. By the time this airs, we'll be starting to, you'll see a few promos here and there. So don't go crazy. Lower your expectations, but it's good family fun, which is a rarity on TV. This is a good... I speak to say, you know, y'all talk about vacations.

I just watch all on the birthdays, the child being birthed in our family structure. but hang on hang on well maybe he's got it fixed about 30 or 40 second delay I would just say as far as family structure

is concerned I don't I don't know of any family structure and now it's probably up in 40 something individuals this the Robertson

clan I know of no family structure that meets together as often that's the Robertson crowd do you I'm sure there's some out there I mean we do have the blessing

of most of us and now Jep's coming back home every birthday every birthday is celebrated yeah well last night Missy and I were walking and with the baby

and we stopped in at Willie's in-laws house because Mamma Joe is, she's in her 90s. 92, I think. She's 92, and she's one of the most classy, even just has her wits, people I've ever met in my life. I love that woman.

And you're talking about a godly woman. Proverbs, what is that, 31 maybe. Yeah, probably was 30. So we stopped in there. She could have thrived in any era. You know what I'm saying? Like, she could have thrived 100 years. ago, 200 years ago, you know, she's just, some people can thrive in any era, and that'd be

Mamoy Joe. Well, there's some people, you know, when you see class and character just combined, and it's just, I don't know, she's a real, real good mentor. I don't see any, uh, any friction hardly at all. No, the point I was going to make, though, is when we stopped in, because sometimes we'll stop in there and let her see the baby. I mean, just talk, love owner. But they had their whole family there.

I mean, it was a crowd in there. But I thought, this is all right. This is their whole family. This was the Howard crowd. Yeah, they were having a meal together. I mean, it wasn't like, I mean, it was Thursday night. I mean, there was at least 15 or 20 people in there eating. But it was great.

But what I was going to say, I got good news. Murray and I, we went on a little metal. detecting run yesterday in Vicksburg being led by the guy that you baptized Sunday that Murray had brought over. Oh, yeah, I saw it. We had a discipleship day yesterday because I talked to him about everything I knew about how to get started in the Lord every time I could think about it in between what we were doing. Of course, we didn't find anything good, and it was a jungle.

we literally hunted the jungle in the summertime with hills almost you were we were almost unable to climb my biggest concern was if murray i was just trying to get him out of there in one piece we did it of course you know when we got home there's a tick every five inches on my body i've been saying you're getting the jungle jays there's stuff that you take with you from the jungle. You don't lead the jungle in the jungle. So the seed ticks were there. Oh, they're there. And so we had to have body cavity searches during the night, but I feel pretty good about where I'm at right now. That's a fun evening. No, no, it's probably more information than you want to know. But look, this is life in this area. If you go in the woods, you're going to get some

ticks on you. See you got him in a very heartfelt conversion. Well, what I'm fixed to tell you, I thought would make your day. So here's what happened. So we show up at one of his buddies's place. And, you know, we're in the normal conversations. But I bring up real quickly to his buddy because I wasn't sure, you know, it's always awkward when you make a life change for the Lord. It's awkward to then go to your old friends and have this conversation that, okay, I'm a different me. I mean, and I think everybody should do it. But, you know, we all know that's difficult.

So I thought I'd do it for him. And so, you know, I introduced myself because he was going to let us hunt his place. And so I just basically told him. He was a land owner over there. No, his buddy was. See what I mean? He just pulled up. I know him.

He's my friend. Yeah. And so I was like, yeah, we may have told the story. So his buddy, he's looking around like, oh, we got to come into Jesus gathering here. you know so i planted that seat well his daughter the guy who owns the land where we're at well she was a fan of our our little duck show so she showed up she had just graduated high school but she real smart 4.0 very ambitious had a plan very impressive woman but she showed up because she just was a fan of the show well she's like well what are y'all doing here and i had some duck calls in

my truck and so I was signing her a duck call and I do that sometimes but I was so impressed with her she just her goals in life and her being a good student and her plan I was just asking her what she was doing I was like and she drove out here she was an example of there's still hope for America I was really impressed and so I thought I got I said let me see if I got a duck call sign you a duck call So the guy you baptize, he's standing there. So as I'm signing the duck call, I write the gospel symbols on the duck call. Of course, I don't know her status in life as far from a spiritual standpoint. But I said, well, you know, your dad's friend here, he just came to an understanding of this.

Have you ever seen this? She was like, no, what is that? And so I go through the gospel, but I was used to. Using him as an example, and this is, I'm telling you all this story because this is what we were talking about about directional dialogue. And when you read Jesus on how he was on a day-to-day basis, I was trying to do that in this situation. I've already drawn a line in the sand with the buddy. Good thinking. Now, this is not Sunday.

This is Thursday. You know, church is not gathering, but it really is. And to my point, I think you need daily conversations. about Jesus. So I was using one situation to get into a conversation with another. So I go through the gospel. This is not a long presentation. It was about a three-minute explanation of who God is, how you got here, what Jesus did.

It's the message. Yeah. But I'm doing it in light of this fellow, your dad's friend, just did this. And so I said, well, so what do you think about that? She said, can I do this too? I said, you sure can. She's like, well, will your dad baptize me too? Because I just soon, if that's the going thing now, I just soon do that too.

I said, well, I'll line it up. Well, yeah. She said, well, I've been studying about this and I've been thinking. She's like, it's just a weird coincidence that I've really been thinking a lot about this. And then I come here and she just comes out of the shadows and you've never seen her before. And she says, I don't know what exactly this. And look, we're literally in the middle of the world. woods out here and she just was coming to take a picture.

God smiled on her. He smiled on it. So then I told Murray, old Murray I saw he's getting all teary-eyed, you know, because he kind of set this in motion with a conversation with this guy. And I said, well, Murray, I don't know if we're going to find anything today, which we didn't. I said, but I'm pretty sure this is the reason we've gathered here today. So I thought it was really encouraging. Kingdom treasure was found on the jungle treasure hunt.

Yeah, and I wasn't passing that off on you, but I'm going to be out of town Sunday. So I'm going to line that up for you if you'll carry the torch. Rind it up, day or night. Any day she wants. Yeah, I thought, well, she's just an impressive young woman. But I said that because then I thought, you know, so I come home last night. And Mia had been, I'm not sure where she had been the last two or three days. I should know that.

But she had come back and camps fixed to start out there. She's like, I'm having a bunch of my friends over tonight. So it's going to be noisy here tonight. She was telling me that. I was like, hey, you know, come on, come on, come all. But they all came. I bet there was two dozen young people at my house last night. And so I told them that story about what it just had.

I said, I met somebody y'all's age today. I told them the story, which, was inspiring. And they were, Mia and some of her friends were asked by the mayor, the mayor of our town here, to do a song session at some event around here. Mia said she had heard them singing somewhere. They have a little grief that sings, mainly worship songs. And she was impressed.

And so they were practicing some of their songs. Well, what it turned down, turned into, now it was a Thursday night, once again, not a It turned into them about two dozen, either seniors in high school or first couple of years of college, just worshiping for, I'd say, three or four hours last night, into the night. Well, you know. Missy would come in there about every 30 minutes, and she said, now, this is what I'm talking about. This is awesome. You know, and I'd look in there, and they're world-class singers. It was just awesome.

You mean, these girls could sing. It was girls and guys. Yeah. It was awesome. But it made me think, you know, because we all had our hearts ripped out over this, you know, what happened with this school shooting and these kids. And it, yeah, and Yuvaldi. Of course, and I know it's been a while since that happened by the time you're listening to this.

But, you know, it ripped our hearts out because we have a lot of friends from that area. I mean, the guy that married my wife and I, he's from Yuvaldi. He actually lives near there still now. He's still down there because he went back, you know. And it's just, you know, I couldn't, I mean, I was mad and sad for three days. I mean, you know, it's just awful when you think of seven to 10 year olds, kids, this happening. But it just made me think in that moment last night when I was watching all these young people. I was like, now this is what we want to happen right here.

And so when you try to work through that from a spiritual perspective, you realize, you know, it starts in the home. It starts in, you know, your identity and your community. And, you know, we all went through our teenage years when you have a breakdown of that, combined with the fact that now we have this Internet and some of these young people who they're not sure of their identity, they don't have their community. They don't have people holding them responsible and mentors, and they just, they lose their way and they become so angry.

They want to do evil things. It's, you know, we got to, we have to address, in my opinion, this delusion that happens that they somehow can be famous in the world, you know, given this play by play of here's what I'm fixed to do, you know, on social media, because that was part, part of, that. And you know, it's interesting, Jay, let's take a break. It's interesting because you're right, the common thread on the last few of these mass murders in schools have been teenage males.

I mean, that's the common thread. And then the social media thing has been a part of it every time. I mean, it's like, you know, almost like an announcement. Here's what I'm about to do. And then they go and do these heinous things. And it's, I don't know, you're right. It's, it's, it's Here's what's ironic about it. Just a short little thesis here. I went and I looked up while I was watching the people who pontificate about this horrific event. And I looked up and I counted them. Over 70, 75 scriptures in the Bible, 75 times.

demon, demon possession, the evil one. And that was just a start. It was more than that. And 1. John 1, 1, verse 11, chapter 3, verse 11, this is the message you heard from the beginning. You can start at the front of the Bible and go all the way to modern day. This is the message you heard from the beginning. We should love one another.

And you look at this dastardly act, you say, what is going on? And it's becoming more and more common. Do not be like Kane. He goes back to the first murder recorded in this Bible, which is a thick one. There's a lot of carnage throughout the Bible. But this one here, you should not be like Kane. he's going back to the original first murder. The first thing John said,

who belonged to the evil one. If you belong to someone, he's taken you in. So they, our current culture says, oh, you know, so you're saying the devil made him do it. You said, that's pretty well it. Yeah. Yeah, that's the way.

That's the way it works. He belonged to the evil one, and he murdered his brother, which is what happened the other day at that school. Why did he murder it? Because everybody's saying, what's going on wrong? He's mentally ill. They come up with these things. But I'm just giving our listeners a glance.

Look in your Bible every time demons or demon possession or that. And look at what these people who were wrestling with the demon, look at the sins they were committing. And murder keeps coming up. In fact, John recorded Jesus saying, the devil is the father of murder. Don't be like Kane who belonged to the evil one and murdered his brother.

Why did he murder him? Here's how hard to figure out it is. Because his own actions were evil. And his brothers were righteous. Abel didn't do anything. He gave glorified God by giving him his, what would you call that, his offering? Yeah, the first fruit of his, he was giving him the best. Yeah.

I mean, you're right. He was killed for being good. And he was downcast, Kane was. And the Genesis account, where John wrote this in 1st John 3, the genesis's account is it up into that point that he was downcast in spirit he's sitting there

he's looking at the ground cane is and God told him sin is crouching at your door you must master it so he even got a warning from God but he said and for all you people who make a joke out of that

it's just a joke demon possession demons and Jesus just casting out all these demons while he was on the earth. Oh, I'd tell him that Bible stuff. This Bible stuff makes perfect sense to me. Well, the reason you're saying that and the reason that we can say this together is because, I mean, I know all three of us has spent hours and hours and hours with hundreds and hundreds of young people in different scenarios over the last 30 or 40 years.

And look, I've come home before after talking to whether it. It was guys in a, in a, not a prison, but like a prison, you know, rehab with, with, with bars, I guess. And because they're just, they're trying to get somebody to talk to them. So I've done that numerous times. And I've told Missy several times. I've come home before. And I said, you know, met a guy today. And, I mean, that was, that was scary.

I mean, you just see it in their eyes. They're so bitter and they're so angry. And they've had so much pain in their. life and they're mad at the world. Of course, I'm trying to have a conversation to start a spark using godly principles, Jesus specifically, but to say, look, there's a way out of this. And, but don't ever doubt, I've seen it from time to time. I've just thought, do you know, when someone gives themselves to that anger and rage and, and their evil thoughts, I mean, it becomes monstrous.

And we've had numerous conversations. So the whole reason for me saying this what led to this conversation, because people are, you know, there's rightfully so, they're so filled with emotions just in the short term when this happens because it is horrible. And you're like, what do we do about that? What do we do about it? What do we do about this?

And I just, I go back to that, the press conference that I listened to, When one of the news media, they were trying to politicize the thing right out the gate, you know, about gun control and different things. But they asked him a question. They're like, well, why is there a law on the books that an 18-year-old can go buy this gun and then shoot a school? And he said, well, that law's been on the books. The governor said this, you know, for over 60 years. And the first, I'm paraphrasing what he said, but he's like the first 50 years or so, it never was a problem. So something has obviously changed where now you're seeing this as a problem.

And whatever that change is, that's what we need to address. No father. I thought it was a really a valid point, though. Yeah, no. There was no instruction. There was no father there. I mean, if you shoot your own grandmother or harm her in any way, it could have been just saying,

bank picked up a baseball bat and beat her to death. But when you see that, you say, did he get any biblical instruction, any love when he was coming up growing into manhood? I mean, the mother was a drug addict and the father. No one that's don't even. I haven't even heard his name. Well, that's why I said it starts with. But the foundation is the family. But Phil, I say it's got to be, you know, from a community is the next thing.

I mean, the whole purpose of the church is to seek out. people who have fallen through the cracks, which is why I led this whole thing with this conversation. I had a young woman come up who's a fan, so I feel like I got some leverage. I didn't know her story. Now, when I heard her story, I was impressed with her. But I'm saying, I'm looking at this like, well, what if she's got some problems or what, you know, let's have a discussion about Jesus as a member of the body out here on a Thursday. And then last night, all those college age group that met together at my house,

you don't know people's hearts and where they're at. But I thought I have an opportunity here to be a mentor, to give them direction, to be an influence because you don't know if there's been a breakdown at the home. But, you know, last night, and I want to share this story because I was really moved by this. Hang on, days. Let's take a break. So we're missing our, you know, we're doing our best to be leaders with that crew last night and look for conversations. And, of course, they're all looking around and we got this little baby.

And they're like, none of them really wanted to ask. They were asking around the situation. It's kind of like, I mean, aren't you in your 50s? And they, because one of them said, is this your grandbaby? And this is like, no. So, you know, they just can't help. They're like, well, why do you have this baby? Y'all adopted?

No, it's complicated. So Missy tells them the story of what we're doing, which, by the way, is the same thing. You know, we're standing in the gap because we don't want this kid to grow up without any nurturing and any structure. Any discipline, any. Well, right. You're standing it. This is what we do in our community. But look, it takes a lot of work, a lot of money, a lot of energy, a lot of.

of passion, all this, especially dealing with young people wants to get teenagers. It's uncomfortable. But we need those conversations in our community because the world on one side, think about what they're doing. They're confusing identity. They're trying to segregate everybody into little clans. They're dividing everybody and wherever, you know, what you look like, what color you are, where are you from.

Well, some people are getting in the cracks of all that. that because they don't have a community. You've confused their identity on how they got here or whether they're, you know, what, sex they are. And so then they go through the difficult time of their teenage years. And if you throw in some pain, abuse, and some neglect, especially from, you know, the other teenagers, if they're, you know, if they're kicked out of their little clan or whatever, based on the differences, it snowballs down the road.

And then they're like, well, hey, I know one way I can be famous. Why don't we do this? They're looking for, and they're scaring everybody to death because they're going to stomp on the Second Amendment. But why don't we just pass a law, the law that we took away, where you can't have anything in the Bible when you're being instructed in our school systems. Why don't we reinstate it's okay to look at what the Bible says about demon possession, murder, rape, robbery, stealing, good and evil. Why don't we reinstate that in our school system where at least the people, the majority of these young people could at least hear. This is one possible thing. There may be the great God we call Jesus who became flesh and died for us. We're counting time by it.

Why don't we take a look at Jesus in the school system and make these people at least have a knowledge of it and leave it up to them whether they want to follow Jesus or not. What's the downside to reinstating God in our school system? I don't get it. It's interesting, Dad, out of all the commentary I've heard, I hadn't heard anybody say that. Me either. I hadn't heard anybody say, you know, why don't we just, why don't we bring the Bible? Why are you so afraid to put biblical instruction and training people and discipline them?

Why wouldn't you let that go where we can teach that to our children? Well, I will say this because I listen to that press conference, the lieutenant governor, I'm sorry I forgot his name, he did say that. He did say that. He said, hey, until we get back putting God in the center of our lives, this stuff, and in our schools and in our culture, you're going to continue to see this kind of stuff. So I will give him credit for saying that. What I was going to say is, though, is so we're having these conversations

and Mississippi's given the explanation on while we're standing. in the gap with this this baby well one of the teenagers said well i'm i'm i'm really thankful you are doing this and she told her story she said when i was when my mom gave birth to me she's not in this country by the way uh she just took her and left her on somebody's doorstep and uh she wound up going to an orphanage and long story short some american american couple adopted her and brought her over here. Well, now I'm just looking at her life when she's fixed to go out and as a counselor teaching young people about the Lord. But from her perspective, and she, look, when she gave her story, the most common phrase was, the Lord has been really good to me.

The Lord has been really good. He's used other people to take care of me and put them in my life. And I just thought, okay, this is what I'm doing. talking about. And that is the answer. I think whenever something like this happens, I think the church has to rise up and realize, look, if you're waiting on the government to try to figure out what the problem is and how to correct it, that's a bad idea. How we're going to correct it is churches rising up in our communities and looking for the

most troubled teenagers who have fallen through the cracks of society on down to kids that are being neglected. And that's how we combat. That's all we can do. I mean, inside our family structure, I will say that my nephew, Judy, my sister,

one of her, one of her sons, there's two of them, two of the sons and a daughter, but he hanged himself in a jail cell 20 miles down this road. The entire time leading up to that, I'm trying to get him

off of fentanyl. Well, he was, you hear, 100-something thousand died from these drugs. Well, that's what got him. Just last year. And I tried everything I could for a year going into that. He knew the Bible verses, but he didn't put him into practice. So, I mean, it was heartbreaking. I mean, he hanged himself in his jail cell, highly intelligent graduate of LSU's CPA.

He had all of his life. We got him a job. he's making 50 grand a year so we got him on his feet but he still hanged himself yeah but the point is you try I mean you know you were trying yeah it doesn't mean they're all

it that's right I mean bad things are going to happen I mean just write it down it is good and evil in the I always try he was about he was about 51 when he committed suicide but yeah it was a front row seat to spiritual warfare

I mean you saw the and valleys, and there's no doubt, there was demonic influence on his life, and he couldn't, you know, he gave into it, and ultimately it cost him his life. And I definitely think that's what you have to do with anything that we see now. You know, it's interesting because I hear a lot of politicians coming up with ideas, but it's really just a result of cultural rot for 60 years. I mean, it's a stepping back of godly principle, and then you wonder why you wind up where we are. but we see it clearly. I mean, it's demonic.

Satan is called the Father of Lies and the Father of Murder, and it has taken a hold, and we're doing it to ourself, and there's Jesus in the middle of it, hiding in plain sight and the devil. Anybody who lives his life and looks around and can't see good and evil and what makes the difference, Jesus on one side and Satan on the other, I don't know what to tell them. I mean, they're like, that doesn't even apply. I said, it doesn't apply.

I mean, how many murders is it going to take before y'all wake up and say, I think maybe evil is real. Well, that's what Colossians 3. You know, that's where we're at in Colossians 3. And it's interesting that he has the dividing line of the old self, and he puts it in that light with Jesus in the center of the old self and the new self. but it has all the categories on what you see on one side and what you see on the other. That's it.

The food of all. When you read, when you read the, and look, and this was even happening in the church, he's not even talking about the world. But he says you're acting. Because that's how progressive it gets. Let's take a break, day. Yeah. All right, go ahead.

But some of the things in those categories, like, you know, when he lists some of the sins, you know, sexual immorality and purity and lust and evil desires and greed because of these things god's wrath is coming in these ways you used to live you know the fact that you can come out of that is the whole point of what we're saying but you know so how how are you going to come out of that it's conversations christ in you especially with young people especially those who have had pain in their life or abuse or, you know, they're mad. And you're giving them away a person of being that will provide a way out for them. But then you see where it leads to it.

But think about it, Jay's, think about this. Let me interject this thought in. Because in light of this conversation about the shooting and everything happened there and the reactions to it, leading into chapter three, remember the last part of chapter too, Paul does a whole segment about freedom, freedom in Christ. In other words, this is so good, he set us free. And then he talks about, remember all those things inside, don't be bound by other people and the new moon celebrates. He spends this whole thing in time, I'm like, do not handle, do not touch. It's about freedom. And then he comes back and starts describing what happens

to people who are free. I mean, then you have a choice. Do I live one way or do I live in Christ? because I've put that old stuff to death. But what you've heard in response, what do you keep hearing from people about how we're going to fix school shootings? More law. We need more laws. We've got to get more laws because if we can legislate...

It's not going to do it. It won't do it. It's the same human reaction every time. It's the opposite. And so in freedom, we realize we made a choice to put to death. And that's why he starts talking about, you know, here's your new mind, here's your new heart, here's your new soul and this is what you do and you don't do it because of law you do it because

of Christ and so I just found it interesting that his his teachings in this book are exactly what we need in our current culture well yeah I agree and all the laws are dealing with physical things which look I mean everybody knows how you know where we stand on that but you also got that passage in sacred ethos says the weapons we you fight with are not the weapons of the world. And he was talking about things that control the mind, the spiritual side of things. We have a way more powerful weapon in that what we have in the message of Jesus and the grace he offers, which then gives people identity, it gives them a community.

It gives them people that hold them accountable. You just think about the system. It gives value to their lives. I mean, going back to this girl who was adopted, I mean, just think, how angry could you be when you realize you get older and you realize that your mom gave birth to you and just left you on somebody else's doorstep? Well, that's a hard thing to deal with. Yep.

See, you got two choices. You can be mad at the world because nobody loves you. And, yeah, you can be better. or you can realize that God had a bigger plan in mind, sent you a couple who were out there armed with the love and grace of God. There were weapons who saw a value in that God gives life to everyone, takes this girl in and loves her and teaches her the good things about God that are available. And then you look up and she's doing.

doing the very thing that's stopping the violence that you see out here today in the lives of young people. That's why it hit me on that, you know, this is when our camp, the week that the camps are, there's hundreds of young people that go through there. You say, why are you doing that kind of stuff? Well, we're doing it because it's the right thing to do, but you're also, you're standing in the gap where those kids that are coming where the home has broken down. And whatever else that's happened in their life, you're having a moment here that God is using you so that they can go from the old self to the new self,

which is what our society needs. Yeah, they don't look at it as a war where the world doesn't, but Paul had it right in 2nd, Corinthians 4. Since through God's mercy, God loving us enough to send Jesus to die for us, the be buried, we have this ministry, whether you like it or not,

all of us have to participate in a ministry. We do not lose heart because it's a tough thing to watch all this carnage as we're doing this. We've renounced secret and shameful ways. We do not use deception,

nor do we distort the word of God on the contrary. By setting forth the truth plainly, we commend ourselves to every man's conscience. Everyone knows that there's good and evil out there. A lot of them act like they don't or say they don't, but we appeal to their conscience in the sight of God. And even if our gospel is veiled,

Jesus is death, burial and resurrection for the world, it's veiled to those who are perishing. I mean, it's spiritual warfare. The God of this is, age, that's Satan, the God of this age, has blinded the minds of unbelievers so they cannot see the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who's the image of God. We don't preach ourselves, but Jesus Christ is Lord and ourselves as your servants for Jesus' sake. God said let light shine out of darkness, made His light shine in our hearts to give us the light of the knowledge of the

glory of God in the face of Christ. We have, it's like you. You're a treasure hunter, Jase. We have, and it was proven the other day with that little girl showing up, we have this treasure and jars of clay and bodies made from the dust of the air to show that all this surpassing power is from God and not from us. You were out there hunting treasure. God sent you this girl and said, oh, by the way, Jase, I won't this one.

and she looked up and you wrote these symbols down that represents Jesus coming. She heard it. She said, that's what he did. He said, that's what he did Sunday morning. And she said, she brought it up. Well, why don't we do that? Yeah, she said, can I do that? Well, I mean, I wanted to talk about.

It's a wonderful story. Yeah, I wanted to talk about this. Hey, Jay. Let's take our last break. I think the problem is people don't realize. the preventive nature of God-loving, Jesus-centered people, they don't realize what's being prevented when you're in the lives, especially with their young people.

I mean, when I look back, because I just reflected on the life of all the people I've talked to young people across the world, you know, there was two that stood out in my mind when I thought on the very worst that I ever had conversations with. one was a female, one was a male. I mean, where it's like there's nothing you can do with these people. Now, one of the, the girl, she was in the church. And look, I spent a couple years trying to help her. And to my knowledge, she hasn't hurt anybody.

So I'm happy. But she never surrendered to the Lord. But I just poured as much love, devotion. And look, she had been abused and just had had a very rough life. but I feel like, well, it was something. The other one was a male who was my neighbor, and y'all have heard me tell this story before, and I carried him around for a couple years.

Y'all probably remember that. But he was the guy who threatened me. He was standing in my yard. I pulled up. I was like, hey, what are you doing in my yard? But he would cut through my yard. He would walk through it and go get drunk with some of my neighbors. But I didn't know he was a kid because he was about six, four,

320 pounds, huge, massive. And so he, I said something to him and he just, just went just a withering barrage of F-bombs and I'll kill you and you and your wife. And I mean, he used to hollered in my yard. So I just bumrushed him because I thought, you know, I'm not going to take a cussing in my own yard. I don't care who you are. Well, it's scary. You didn't think his size didn't intimidate you in the moment. In the moment, I didn't care.

I just took off running right at him and just got right up in his grill. I was watching him to see if he was going to reach for a weapon because I wasn't armed. But I just thought, I mean, it made him angry. I mean, he's threatening me and my wife, you know. Well, when I looked at him in the face, I'm like, this is a kid. I said, how old are you, son? And he was like 15 because I scared him when I run up there and got in his face, you know. He said, 15.

I said, what's your ambitions in life? He said, prison. I said, prison? That's what he said. That's what he said. He said, I'm going to be the big dog in prison. So, long story. That's the kind of mind that hurts others.

Well, look, that's what, I'm fixed to share what happened over, you know, a few years. So, long story short, now look, it was bumpy. And, I mean, he was a thug that could, and he was living with his grandmother. all parents nowhere around he showed me his arsenal of weapons that were downright frightening what he had i mean from nine millimeters to salt off you were looking at the the seed bed drugs as far as you could see you know so i enter his world he enters my world and it it took a couple years before he ever came to the lord and uh and it was bumpy because he was really hard to get you know i was real careful about getting him around other people, especially young people, because he did more

of the influence than, you know, he was this handful now. But he had no direction in his life. But he was scared to me because I wasn't scared of him. I mean, it's like in his plan to go to prison, you know, I just kept saying, that's the dumbest thing. But, you know, whatever thought process that has led you here, because he was looking at, like, well, I get three meals a day, you know, lay around and watch TV. Yeah, think about it, Jace.

What if you, a son of God, had not met someone controlled by Satan, him? What if you hadn't, your past? Well, that's what I was getting to. Now, look, it's not a happy ending. He died in a freak accident that I later on found out. But as I look back on that, I thought, now this guy was headed toward something really bad because he was armed. Now, he didn't go by those guns, but he had a small. I mean, he had a small arsenal.

Oh, where he's got all that stuff? And he was mad at the world. He was threatening people. I mean, even like me, that's how we met, is he was threatening my life. He had no fear of that. But I took him under my wing and looked. Did he die in a gunfight or did he just somebody? No, he was, he died, he got hit.

He was walking down the side of the road and somebody ran over him because he, you know, he didn't have a vehicle. But, but you know what, in a way, I mean, I was sad. he lost his life, but I was actually happy that he did make a move with the Lord. And he didn't hurt anybody. He at least, you know what I mean? I think it was a preventive thing that happened when I look at it from a godly perspective. But I'm saying, you don't hear those stories. And that was one that I could notice that, okay, we, you know, that the Lord, he was living right beside me. So, I mean, I was thrust into the situation. I'm not going to be.

bullied around by anybody and threatened. But, well, when I noticed there was a kid, I realized we have a breakdown in society here. And he's living right next to him. That guy that did all of that, that young buck the other day, the 18-year-old, if some way to like you could just possibly have run up on him, it might have been a different outcome.

That's what I'm saying, or anybody, and look, if the guy would have turned, because there was, when I'm saying it was, bumpy for those couple years. I mean, the guy was breaking the law, but he's not even a, he's not even 18 years old. But I thought, well, what do you do? And I got a lot of advice from other people on how to deal with this guy. And it was very difficult. There are people who have stayed at our house way back. They stayed there for about a week or two. Biblical instruction. I don't know where they came from, how they ended up there, but they're there. As far as I could tell,

they didn't have a vehicle and all that, but I tried my best to get them to turn. They left our house after a couple of weeks and murdered an 80-something-year-old woman up in West Monroe. Yeah, I remember when that happened. What it's like... And that's me trying with everything I could muster to get them to see that the truth will set you free, number one, from Satan, sin, guilt, law, and the grave. I was trying to get him to understand that. Well, it's our best option is what I'm saying. You know, and I think we got to, when things like this happen, we've got to rise up, you know, as a society. The church does need to be more accurate than that. But I think the church has to rise up. Look, and you get, there's a lot of

older people, and I mean my age, who, you know, don't have a lot going on. And I'm saying there, there's an avenue. You're not going to run out of potential people to help. No. I mean, I probably, of all the things that I do in trying to let the Lord use me or give back to my community, it involves that age group from 12 to 20.

Because you remember being a teenager? Look, I mean, we all lose our minds during that time. Well, especially if you got added problems in there that was not, your fault or you don't have the result of your parents but the evidence shows without a what they call it nuclear family without a godly family i tell you or just without a family i mean it's then the godly principles yes i mean but there's there's a lot of a lot of bad things going on out there and look it there's no easy way to do it it's like that's a great

story that happened with me and that kid that was a thug but it was really difficult like because he was terrified i mean my wife was terrified of him and rightfully so and i would get him in that house it's it's not a governmental fix no and look i tried to get that kid involved in sports because he was big and he was athletic i was like dude you could be playing on sundays and n nfl but i tried that but guess what he got out there and he hurt people he anything he could do that was not, I mean, he's just like, he's not going to play within the rules. I had to get off that. Because, I mean, he just sucker punch him.

You know, you turn you back on him. He hit you in the back of the head. He was a mean, violent young lad. But, and so that's what I'm saying. He did a lot of things in the process that were wrong and that was upsetting. And it caused a lot of apologies. And I took a lot of flack over it because they're like, you know, what are you doing with that guy? I mean, he's hurting people.

I'm like, yeah, I know. That's why I'm trying to prevent this from happening. So I just saw it with that one kid that turned out to be, you know, a positive thing because he didn't shoot people with his guns. The age old struggle, Jace, good and evil. But you know, I knew that boy for years, Al. And he never did. He was so bitter about the things that have.

He never would tell me. what exactly caused the rage because I knew it was there. I mean, I was evident. He never would. He never would share that way. Yeah, he needed to.

If you'd have been able to crack that part of it, he might have got to healing before he moved on. All right, we're out of time. But I have a theory about infamy. I want to talk about in the OT segment to kind of finish this discussion. So we'll see you on the other side. Thanks for listening to the Unashamed podcast.

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