Unashamed with the Robertson Family - Ep 491 | Jase Speaks Out on Struggles with Anxiety & One Big Truth Atheists & Agnostics Don't Get

Episode Date: June 6, 2022

Phil names the rarest commodity, the most difficult to obtain, that anyone could ever hope for — then he tells you how to get it. Zach asks the question, "Who is He?" and looks at the terms diversity and unity, then asks what they have in common with submission to God. Jase says that the people who aren't even sure about God's existence don't realize that the Lord is near. Al explains how those who are trying to find the limits of their freedom have missed the point of being content in Christ. And Jase talks about those who struggle with anxiety and the decisions they have to make to experience peace of mind. Watch the Unashamed overtime show, only on BlazeTV: https://BlazeTV.com/Unashamed - Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

I am unashamed. What about you? So we're still coming from our vacation spot, but it's a little different for me because I have a place down there now. So it's kind of like I sort of live here. You know, I mean, I do podcasts from here, use the house. And once again, we appreciate Andy for letting us use the studio, which is a really cool. Look at this big table. What you probably can't see on all the cameras is the books are holding it up. Of course, he's a great author. So it's a great setup.

We appreciate him doing that. So yesterday was a little while. We came in to do the podcast here. And so Dad was having a situation there and it was all happening in real time. And so we couldn't really talk about it on yesterday's podcast, even though it was literally happening as we were about to begin the podcast. There was a troubled young man that had made his way to Dad's house. And, you know, he didn't know who he was.

And so, you know, dad's like all of us is this day of age. You kind of got to be careful. You know, someone shows up suddenly. So a reminder, we said this before the audience. You know, we kind of have a structure. We try to, if you guys come down to visit to attend one of our churches where we're at, there's a process. If you'll let us know, we'd love to meet you.

But we don't want to just show up behind gates because that causes some issue. So, Dad, I just thought your heart was 100%. Because you were just sharing Jesus. I did think it was interesting that you had your Bible and you were sharing with this young man, but you did have your AR across your lap because we could go one of two ways. We've said before that we won't have Bible studies, but at the same time, you know, if a gunfight breaks out, we're kind of ready for anything and everything. But, you know, we dealt with the situation.

Dad, you did well, we're not there, so you were kind of on your own. But I thought you had the right heart. And we prayed for the young man after he left that, you know, he can find some peace. So I don't know. It was just a, it was an eye way for us to get the day started yesterday. But, Dad, I thought you were excellent. I thought the way you handled everything was top notch. You know, we have security detail.

And we're, like you say, if you just look around at your culture and the events, the murderous events that are. happening and in our culture almost, I'd say daily, it tends to just put one on edge a little bit, if you know what I'm saying. So, but I hope I wish them a young man. And I prayed for him repeatedly after we left here because I just didn't like the way that went down. But he just needs to remember to contact us and have it planned where we know who's

coming because it's a lot of people coming in a lot of different directions around here. Well, what you mean you didn't like that went down? I mean, because you didn't know he wasn't he wasn't either able or refused to communicate. So if someone can't tell you why you're here, because we talked about that, you know, the three basic, basic questions to humanity is how did you get here, what are you doing here, and how are you leaving? You know, we're talking about planting earth. But when you ask a young man who's in a place where he shouldn't be inside a gate and you say, what are you doing here? Well, if you don't have an answer or you're not able to, that's not good. Yeah. You know, state your, what is your purpose? So I think it's interesting

when Phil, when we saw Phil's feed, he was like mid-gossom. presentation and I was like who's he sharing with? I thought he's sharing with the camera guys again. Phil was like, I got to do this podcast. So you come on up here and just sit in the room so I can keep an eye on you. But when Phil Zay didn't think it, you know, he didn't like how it went because, you know, the police were called because we got a young name who won't state why he's here. So they did a weapon search.

But once there was no weapons found, everybody felt better. but still I did think it was a good sign that obviously he had a lot of trouble and some mental issues, special needs, however you want to describe it. But somewhere in his subconscious, he had realized that whatever Phil had to say, I think it was in his subconscious, even though he couldn't reveal that he was trying to get help. There was a draw there, yeah. And so help was given. and, you know, Phil, share Jesus with him. They're evaluating. It didn't, you know, the police arrived and all that.

That's part of living on planet Earth. But I wanted to know that I prayed for him multiple times after we left this podcast because I did baptize him. He was one of the ones that I had baptized earlier, but I didn't remember because I baptized a lot of people. So he was just one of many, but to do. to his people that his mother, father, or the people who raised him, I think it's the way he put it. I will offer my sincere apology for that not turning out real well.

But they can contact us and we'll get another time when he can come and I can spend more time with him. I mean, in the middle of a podcast here, you know, this show must go on. So it was just a little bit awkward. Yeah, that's why we kind of want. you did great. I mean, once y'all made the link to his family, it had a happy ending. I love the young, I love him. I mean, I really do, you know, and I prayed for him. And he had some issues with drugs and the past and all that. But so he is one of many that I've sat down in counsel with, but the timing was just a little bit off as far as me just stopping what I was doing.

So, but I wish him well. It's another reminder, too, that, You know, this, this, the drug addiction, I mean, it's always been an issue, but we're kind of in another, the last decade, we're in another place with that. And you've got huge, large amounts of young people, young men and women especially, that these opioids and now you've got this, with this fentanyl stuff and all that, I mean, it's a death machine, you know, I mean, not only does it mess your life up, I was seeing people out of jail or, you know, all kinds of problems like that. but it's a man it'll key and uh you know i think it's just another reminder you've seen that show cops i mean every one they pull over it's just drugs i mean yeah you've been doing drugs no boom they just take off yeah here we go well let's face it we sort of we've we've lately kind of ceded the border to the control of cartel from mexico i mean they're the ones controlling the action down there and you know it's way more

than we can possibly police. So it's a dangerous situation. I mean, it is a big. The young people of America now, it's full out warfare, spiritual warfare. And many, many, many are going down the wrong road with all this fentanyl and all this drug use. I mean, it's a, and this guy here was a victim of the same thing. So it's a tough world out there, guys. I don't, you know, I wish them well.

I prayed for him repeatedly. You're talking about being spiritual warfare, which is Ephesion 6. Our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against rulers, against authorities, against the powers of this dark world, and against spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly realms, therefore put on the full armor of God. Similar to Colossians 3, you know, in Ephesians 5, he had this, in verse 18, he said don't get drunk which here he says on wine but i mean the whole drug thing is this this way to be you know reach some kind of numbing in your mind and that's what drugs do so you

don't have to deal with real life and get addicted but it says which leads to debauchery which is just an an addiction and a daily captivity of being hooked on something but it said instead be filled with the spirit, speak to one another with psalms, hymns, and spiritual songs, sing, make music in your, in your heart, which is similar to what he says in Colossians, because he's saying, put off the old self, put on the new self, and then he's going to eventually get into relationships, but he brings that up again in 16, in chapter three, let the word of Christ dwell in you richly as you teach and admonish one another with all wisdom, and as you sing Psalms, hymns, spiritual

Psalms with gratitude in your hearts to God. And whatever you do, in word or deed, do it in the name of the Lord Jesus, giving thanks to God the Father through Him. No, and I think you're right. I think, of course, when he wrote Ephesians and Colossians

in kind of the same setting, so it's obvious that, you know, that's where he's thinking was when he sent to those two different churches, but you're right, it's interesting. It's really, we talk about it a lot on here. It's finding, it's finding that piece of mind, which is what people are looking for. And so you think, you know, the evil one has planted the idea that that can be found in alcohol or in drugs or in some relationship or some situation.

But we all know that's a lie because it only creates more chaos. I mean, the degeneration of this downward spiral in a person's life, that's what happens. But they're searching for what this is describing, you know. We know when you get together in a setting, a spirit-filled people. I mean, this happens a lot, Zach, and your family. And people just are worshipping and, you know, sharing different things about God. And it happens inside that. I mean, that's a peace that just, it's a calm.

It flows over you. I mean, you come out of those settings with like, man, I feel like I got purpose. I got, you know, all this is meaningful. And that's why I think people are certain. You made a good, that's what the Apostle Paul were referring to. and at Colossians 3, 13, let the peace of Christ rule in your hearts. You say, let the peace of Christ rule in your hearts, since as members of one body, you were called to peace.

And you could add there, not war. You were called to peace. Be thankful, let the word of Christ dwell in you richly as you teach and admonish one another in all wisdom, you know, and as you sing, psalms, hym, spiritual song, gratitude in your hearts. So the look of it all is people who have peace of mind. I have said for about the last 40 to 50 years, the rarest commodity of everything in the midst of all this sinful world and all of that. and the struggle between good and evil, the hardest thing to achieve while on planet Earth for any human being is peace of mind.

It's a tough, tough thing to have in the midst of it all. You agree? I agree. And I think that's not only in a person's personal experience, but then as a culture, you see the same thing. So we've talked about before, whether it's politics or, you know, cable news or whatever, it's always, there's never peace. It's always war. That's right. It's always the war of ideas where you get little done or solved, and it just kind of keeps you riled up all the time.

And if you fail to run upon Jesus, the Colossian writers saying, you'll never have any peace, peace of mind between you and God and between you and your family members and your culture. there's just no peace there but just war war war they kill covet it's it's it's it's a tough world out there boys that's exactly right which is why we're here having this discussion well and i love in coloshan's three you mentioned this um yes uh the last episode just the the dichotomy between the first half of three and the second half of one being a place of non-peace malay slander, anger, wrath. I think about that movie, Mad Max, you know,

you look at kind of, what does it look like in a world where it's just every man for himself, every person is just out to consume what they can consume. And it sounds good until you really consider what that world would look like. I can do whatever I want to do. Complete lawlessness,

whatever I want I can do. When you watch a movie like Mad Max, this apocalyptic scene, this dystopian, type movie that it doesn't look appealing to me. It looks very scary that I mean everywhere you turn you got to watch your back. It's the opposite of peace. And then you juxtapose that with life in the kingdom where there is this tranquility. There is this this peace of mind that Phil talks about. And I think the peace comes from finding, how you said it, finding meaning and finding context in the

world. So he says here in. Let's take a break. So he says here in verse 12, so as those who have been chosen of God, holy and beloved. He tells us to do something here. So there is an action on our part. He says, put on a heart of what? Compassion, kindness, humility, gentleness, and patience, bearing with one another and forgiving each other, whoever has a complaint against anyone, just as the Lord forgave you. So to Christ here is the template for how we're to act, right?

So also should you? And I think about why would we embody this? Why would we live a life where we would forgive people who have trespassed against us, who's sinned against us? We would do it because God did it. And God, in and of himself, he's fulfilled. God's not insecure. God's not, he's not like depressed. He's not hurting.

He's not, I mean, God is God. He's completely fulfilled and sustained inside of himself. So whatever he is, that's what we want to be transformed into. And he finishes up with what Phil hit up on yesterday was this, beyond all of these things, put on love, which is the perfect bond of unity. And then you let the peace of Christ rule in your hearts to which indeed you recall in one body and be thankful. And I think that's the sign of it right there, thankfulness. You look at a heart that's thankful.

You look at somebody that's like hyper entitled and there's probably somebody who is not living in peace. if they're demanding more and more and more, they're not happy, they're just entitled, they're a malcontent. That's somebody who's not living in peace and probably not considering what, you know, what has been offered to them through Jesus. But, you know, he says that phrase, forgive as God forgave you, he's not, you know, and Jesus says that quite a bit in the Gospels and the red letters. He's not saying that, now look, look, you have to forgive because you've been forgiven like it's a command.

He's saying the same way God feels, about you, that's how you feel about each other. And so forgiveness comes much easier when I view it, has he viewed me? Yeah. And I realize I'm not worthy. So I think people have taken that the wrong way because I've heard people tell me, well, you know, I don't have to forgive this person that they've never asked for forgiveness. And I'm just like, so it's conditional now that somehow you're going to harbor bitterness and never release something because what? You're going to wait around for, you know, everybody's got to make amends. So it's a mindset that's their It's the same reason, Dad, that you were compassionate yesterday in a situation that most people would not have been.

I mean, because you cared about a person because God cared about you. And someone was there when you, you know, were down and had trouble. So, I mean, that's the ideas, the mindset and hearts that says, I want people to know what I know. I think that's why he puts it in that spiritual, you know, setting that he does. Yeah, the transformation is, it's just that. It's transformation. I think the language of all of this is what we've really been hidden off. in the last few episodes, as we've been in Colossians, Jay said it yesterday, these are not more

rules that God's piling on. He's not replacing old rules with new rules. And I think that's hard for us as Christians because, you know, we're so geared towards this rule, just as humans, we're geared towards rule-oriented systems for the purpose that T.S. Eliot said, you know, we don't have to be good anymore. We can find the system, or we don't have to do anything. We don't have to be good. The system takes care of everything, so we're searching for that system, but that's not what this is. This is, Jesus said that it's new wine and that the old wine skins can't hold the new wine. And I think this is what he's talking about.

It's not, it's why the Pharisees had those crusty wine skins that were basically their systems, their laws, they're all of their self-imposed worship, the regulations that Colossians talks about. And so we're trying to pour this new wine into that. that and it just doesn't hold it. And I think our, what we need to be looking for as believers is how do we, how do we find new wine skins that can hold this new wine that's much more about the transformation of the heart and a lot less about the systems that we develop so that we don't have to transform the heart?

So that makes sense? Yeah. I think you're right. And I think you see it, you saw it in the religious world on Jesus' day, as you described. And you see it a lot today. Unfortunately, in churches, when you get so inward focused. on yourself and on leadership, and you miss the point of living Christianity out every single day. And I think it was maybe Tucker Carlson.

Somebody recently said something that I had not thought about. And he was talking, of course, in politics, but you could apply this to anybody. He said, when is the last time you saw a politician talking about anything and trying to put forward something that didn't make them more powerful, whether it's a party or whatever? And I thought, man, that's what people do. When you're making it about you and making yourself more powerful, that's what the Pharisees were doing. I mean, they were set up. That's why Jesus kept calling you, you hypocrites.

You got this for you, but you got this for everybody else. And that's exactly what you see, whether it's political or something else, if it's only about making me more powerful, instead of saying, I want to make you more powerful. I want to empower you. I want to make your life better, you know, for the right reasons and not to make me more powerful. And so that struck me looking at it through a spiritual lens is when I'm with somebody else, I don't want to increase my power over them. I want them to be empowered when it comes to Christianity. Well, that's a good word for the church right now.

You think I think we're kind of in this phase. The church is always kind of deconsolidated, you know, really since the beginning of its inception. If you think about what was it, the great schism, what Eastern Orthodox broke off from Catholicism and I forgot when it was, but I won't say 1026, but that's probably too early. And then you had the Reformation Movement, which was the birth of kind of the Protestant Reformation Movement. Then beyond that, you had the 1500s. Yeah, then 1500s.

And you had like the circuit riders of the Methodist Church, the restoration movement, which we came out of, which is a further deconsolidation of power. And then now you're seeing it even more kind of a deconsolidation of the nominations. And it's like, I think that that's a good thing in a way. You see what's happening right now with the Southern Baptist Convention with the sexual abuse scandals, which is just horrible. You know, and you think, man, how does this, how does, even in the church, it's like been this consolidation of power. And I think what, you know, what Paul's getting that is, is something completely different. It's like sacrificial as modeled by Jesus who had all power.

Yeah. But Jesus had all the power. He's the son of God. He is the supreme being. He is the, you know, through him and by him all. All things were made. In the beginning, it was the Word. The Word was God.

And the Word became flesh. I mean, just the humility of that statement alone, that the Word became flesh. And that's what we're to model. And it's not modeling it like, let's do this so that we can earn favor. I think what Paul's getting at is when you model that type of sacrificial life, the kind that Jesus lived, that is where you will find fulfillment. It's in that type of sacrificial service and laying out of yourself an emptying of yourself. Philippians chapter 2, Christ who being in very nature, God, didn't consider equality with God something to be grasped, but made himself nothing.

When we embody that, I think what Paul is getting at is that is the good life. That is where you find what Phil talked about, the peace of mind that is the rarest of all commodities. The reason why it's rare is because we're living consumptive lives, we're trying to ingest and just consume as much as we can. And that's not where it's found. Let me tell you what's interesting. And y'all can maybe answer this. But if you just look, you look at a book, a little letter like Colossians. Colossians, and someone added chapter one, he was just writing this material down.

So here he is. He's in prison. he's writing these letters. You just think in a computerized world right now, looking back a couple thousand years ago, you have a guy, he's sitting there and he writes his letter. Well, the chances of that material coming forth from a prison sale are just chained up in a dark space.

there was no lighting and all that. I mean, when it got dark, it was dark all over. Just think about how the writings in this book that I have in front of me, and y'all have in front of you, and we're reading how to behave who Jesus is, what are the odds, all that material? And look, it was like, what, 1,000, 1,600.

1600 AD before they actually got this material in book form. Can you imagine trying to gather the material we now have in front of us? How in the world did God make it possible that this material could come in out of sitting on the side of a river somewhere locked up in jail? and it all comes together in one book, 1,600 years later, when was the first Bible made? Where was the first copy?

And then it just took off from there and we all have one in front of us. You're like, just that to get this material to the human race covering the years that it covered all the way back to the Law of Moses we mentioned yesterday, 2,000 years before Jesus showed up, up, how in the world is that even possible, Al?

Well, it's almost like it was a divine plan, wouldn't it, Adam? What are you talking about? Was it a divine plan? And what was going on as far as the material, this letter actually got to the people at Colossi, and these letters, it made it to the Ephesians, at Ephesus. You understand what I'm saying?

How in the world did the... the material flow at the pace that it had the flow in order to come together. You're talking about only God himself could have made that possible. I mean, we're in a computerized world, materials running at warp speed in every direction. But these people, I mean, they didn't even have paper. I don't even know how he got the material, what he put it on, how he wrote it, and it, and it make its way to us 2,000 years later. I can't even figure that out. But you read the material and you say, whoa.

So you talk about, to me, that's the strongest statement that God is real and there's nothing impossible for him. I mean, that would be very difficult to do. Let's take another break. No, you're right, Dad. And I tell you for the listeners, if you find yourself. in Washington, D.C. for any reason, you need to go to the museum of the Bible. Because what Dad just described, the Green family and a lot of other people have built a museum

with like seven stories of telling the story of the Bible, just what you were talking about, dad. And it was, it's fascinating. I mean, I was there half a day and felt like I needed three more days to really ingest what they've done there to show exactly. They show the process, dad that you're talking about. They've even got one of those old presses, you know, that made the first books, you know, that go back. They found one to restore it. So, I mean, it tells that story of, you know, how it was translated. All the things are there. There's some great artifacts that are thousands of years old that are there. So there's, you know, a lot of people that smarter than us, maybe not smart as that, that have studied exactly how that came to be.

And it's fascinating. You're right. And we all know that it's just divine. A lot of people, we get this question a lot, so since we're here, I'll mention this, because people say, well, how do we know, how can we possibly know that we've got exactly what we need? Like, what if there's something else out there? What's the missing piece like it's, you know, I mean, Jay's. Lay more revelation. Right, right. And so.

Because we can read, we can read this material that came out of some strange places where it was written. Al, you had a little sheet the other day. He said this material was written down. You mentioned some in prisons. on the, you know, under captivity, running and trying to save your life. And every one of them was slaughtered before it all went down. One lived. But you say the material flowed out without computers.

I mean, it's amazing. Just amazing. But the material reveals a person. And I think that's, when people are looking for more material, in my opinion, they've missed the point. that this all points to a person. Yeah. I mean, if you read the similarities between what we're reading in Colossians and just take Philippians, because we talked about the drug world and the young people and the party

scene and the social media and it's me first. And if you see how what he wrote almost 2,000 years ago in Philippians 3, he says, and he says he's in tears because many live. as enemies of the cross of Christ. That's verse 18. And he says, their destiny is destruction. Their God is their stomach. Their glory is in their shame.

Their mind is on earthly things. Well, you see that today. People doing shameful things. And you think how this starts off. I mean, as a young person, they want this acceptance. They want to be a part of a community. So what do you do?

You go out there and go these wild parties. And it's almost like, revolutionary every generation that these group of young people, I mean, we make jokes and say, we've got to go sell your wild oats or whatever, but it just seems to be the same pattern, doing the same things. And a lot of them, there's no satisfaction there, so they keep doing more and more things. The next thing you know, you're hooked on drugs, you're off, selling yourself just to pay for your habit. And you said, where did this all start? They were looking for some kind of community, being a part of something, having fun.

Well, on the contrast, he says, our citizenship is in heaven, and we eagerly await a Savior, the Lord Jesus Christ. He always goes back to the person that we believe in and that we're waiting on and why this is written, who his power, through his power, can transform and bring everything under his control, including our lowly body so that they'll be like, His glorious body. So then in chapter four, he makes a reference to his fellow workers. And I love how he depicts who they are.

He says, their names are written in the book of life. You're talking about community and being a part of something. Yep. And so then he says in verse four, rejoice in the Lord and always, I will say it again, rejoice. So by contrast, when you look at our young people, this whole party scene starts in an idea of having fun. I always want to go out and have a good time. We're having a good time.

You see it portrayed on TV like that. What does it lead? It leads to a lot of anxiety and flashing lights and drug addiction and, you know, babies out of wedlock who are just forgotten or aborted or and all this happens. And so then this anxiety and bitterness and guilt takes over. And so he says, by contrast, don't be anxious about anything. We're right for that. He says, the Lord is near, which I think is a.

a powerful statement because most of the times when there's a lot of mischief and there's a lot of sinning going on people in their subconscious view the lord is way away if if in existence at all now whether he's talking about the lord is near by our physical death we we will encounter him or he's just he's near because he is near i mean if he's in all and overall so this is don't be anxious. And then in verse 7, which was the point I was trying to get to. And the peace of God, which transcends all understanding, will guard your hearts and your minds in Christ Jesus. And then he goes through all these qualities, whatever's true, whatever's noble, which is in comparison to Colossians 3. Set your mind on things above. Whatever's lovely, whatever's admirable,

if anything is excellent or praiseworthy. Think about such things. So, and then he says, then the God of peace be with you. And just to finish this thought up, because you think about why people turn to earthly things, when he gets to verse 12, he says, I know what it is to be in need and I know what it is to have plenty. Because you see that even in the world. A lot of people who are quote unquote spoiled, they become rebellious. And a lot of people who are in need are bitter or in situations that cause them to want to. just not give a rib, you know, in the world. But he says, I have learned the secret of being content in any and every situation,

whether well-fed or hungry, whether living in plenary and won't. You said, what is the secret? This fact, I can do everything through him who gives me strength. Yep. You see that tattooed on a lot of people. Yeah, but I think a lot of people misunderstand that verse. But, I mean, yeah, when you think about the depth of what he's saying there, But he's pointing to the Lord Jesus.

He keeps pointing. It's like when you have to read all those verses. Yeah. So I think most people are like, what does it say for my life? What do I need to do? What do I need to check the boxes? Oh, I believe, you know, I've studied the script. You're missing the point.

It's misleading. Because they're saying, what can I autonomously on my own? What can I accomplish that I want to get done with Jesus? But it's like you're, it's not the point. The point is it's what a, It's a union with Christ. It's union with Him. That's why I like...

Hang on with that. Let's take a break. How many times have you had a conversation with a young person who's just out causing just mayhem in society? And they say, well, I'm a pretty good person. You know, and I believe in God. I just, you know, I just got off. And next thing you know, it's like they're just viewing this as some kind of manual that they understand that they just had a slip up. It's not a living, active pursuit in the Lord where it's personal, that you feel his presence

and he's near, and this is something you've surrendered to. It's just like a book that people have invented with a bunch of made-up stories with some rules in it that if you follow some of them, you might make it. Right. And remember the context in chapter four that you were just reading was contentment. In other words, Paul said whether I have nothing or whether I have everything. I understand. man, that's what he leads into saying, I can go all through Christ.

But what he's saying is, I may have nothing. I may be doing nothing. Exactly. But I found peace in Christ because I am subject to him. Well, my point was, if you don't have Jesus, though, and you have nothing or plenty, you're still going to go out there and live a life, fill with anxiety, sin. Yeah. It doesn't matter.

If you're not surrendered to Jesus and you're self-absorbed, no matter what the circumstances, it always leads to the same thing. Correct. I think there's nothing else you can get into. I think the key you said there is self-absorbed. So you've got to choose, which one? Are you going to be self-absorbed? Are you going to be one with Christ? And you can't be both.

I mean, that's the choice we all face. I mean, even Christ himself is not self-absorbed. If you think about it, I mean, you think about the nature of a trust. triune God. The reason why it matters that God's triune, that these three persons is because they're not, they unadulteratedly love each other. There's no like, the father's not like consuming for himself at the expense of the son. And that's not in his nature. In his very nature, God, the father is pouring out eternal love to the son. The son is pouring out eternal love to the father. The spirit between them is a person that's the love between them. I think that's why

we're modeling this. But going back to Phil's point, and kind of tying some of this together, I was thinking about what you were saying and what Phil was saying, because still was putting the emphasis on the Word of God. Jase was basically saying, yeah, but it's the Word of God. It's pointing to a person, which is the language, by the way, in Colossians 3, verse 16. What does it say? Let the Word of Christ richly dwell within you, with all wisdom, teaching, and admonishing one another. And you see this played out with Psalms, which we read the Psalms, which we read the Psalms,

I was thinking when y'all are talking psalms, I think 138 talks about asking the Lord to search my heart, look at the meditations of my heart, like get like I want to be with you. I want to be connected with you. And we do that through reading of the Psalms, reading of the scriptures that are inspired by the spirit and hymns and spiritual songs. We're singing with thankfulness in your hearts to God. Whatever you do in word or deed do in the name of the Lord Jesus giving thanks through Him to God the Father. So when we say I can do all things through Christ who strengthens me, that's not saying that I can do all,

I can go do all these things on my own. And I get to have my cosmic bellhop Jesus helping me out along the way. That's not what it is. I'll give you a perfect example what you're saying. So like if you said, is it a good thing for a person to submit to the Lord? Is it a great thing? Oh, yeah.

Absolutely. 100%. All right. Well, let me read this. So Colosson 318 says, wives submit to your husbands as fitting to the Lord. Well, if you just take out wives submit to your husbands, people are like, I don't like that, especially women, probably.

Right? Well, if you read Ephesians 5, 22, it says, wives, submit to your husbands as to the Lord. So what I'm saying is, it's a positive thing in both cases. He brings up the Lord. So this is a different type of submission. This is as to as you are to the Lord. In Ephesion 5, when he got down to the end, he's like, everyone should love his wife, as he loves himself. You know, women should fill their role.

But then he gets down and says, this is a profound mystery. But I'm talking about Christ and the church. However each one of you must love his wife as he loves himself and the wife must respect your husband. So my only point is he wasn't writing a rule. Here's the rules. In marriage, the wife submits to the husband. You know, men, you should respect your wives.

We're like, oh, he's like, as Christ did the church. Oh, wait a minute, he died for that. Oh. But if you disconnect it from the Lord in our relationship and understand how good he is, how true he is, the peace that comes in that, the contentment with. Well, then all of a sudden you're saying, well, maybe I just don't, I'm looking at this through my eyes.

I mean, because most people, when they read that, they're not going to say this in church, but the man reads that and says, oh, I've got the power. Yeah. This is, what happened to as to the Lord? Right. Both times he makes a careful connotation to be clear as to the Lord. And in other contexts, he compares it to Jesus, to Paul compares to this setting to Jesus and his relationship to the Father.

Yeah. I mean, they're one, they're God. And yet he says, I fully submit to the Father. And he did so by coming here. I mean, he became flesh. When we hear, when we, yeah. Let's take my last break. Yeah.

And now I brought this up earlier about. the power dynamic. I mean, that's one of the probably the biggest shifts that we would recognize culturally today with the new wine that we don't have the wineskins for is there is a shift in the power dynamic, not a shift. There's an obliteration of the human power dynamic and an institution of God's power dynamic, which you see, and I think we should probably break this down more in the next episode because we don't have the time of the day, but you see it in verse 18 through 25 because there's some controversial stuff in there, right? There's a lot of things in there when I read it, I was like, oh, great.

It's one of the dangers of going through the Bible verse by verse. You have to deal with the text. And so then you get to verses about women submitting to their husbands. And oh, my gosh, I don't want to talk about that or this whole thing about slavery and all that. But I think, which I think we should, we'll get into the next episode. But I think what the bigger issue here is, is that if you don't understand what we've been talking about in terms of being one with Christ and that, Christ is the head of all things. Then when we get the conversations about submission, I mean, it's going to sound horrible.

But then when you start thinking about, well, what about Christ? The one we serve, the one that we worship, the one that we call the supreme sovereign king of the universe. What about that guy? Did he submit? Yeah, many men, Zach, they have a deep-rooted fear that they will lose their manhood. if they love their wife and the husband is, that's husbands love your wife, as Christ love the church.

You're not giving up your manhood. You're magnifying it. That is manhood. Love your woman. Well, even in 15, Phil, he said, husband love your wives, but he said, and don't be harsh with them. That's right.

We'll just, yeah, right. The fear of losing your manhood, it keeps husbands, from loving their wives the way they should. And why would he come back and say that unless he knew that men would take this as some sort of power trip? That's right. And then try to abuse their wives,

which has happened throughout history. It's connected to the Lord. It's connected to the Lord at every level. When he said, children obey your parents in everything for this pleases the Lord. Well, I know parents that said, you do it what, you know, what I say whether it's right. right or not. You obey me and everything. Well, they're missing the point. We're trying to please the Lord. Yes. And we're pretty, I think everyone, if they're honest, you know when you're

not pleasing the Lord. Right. And the example you're leading with your kids, the way you're treating your wife, the way the wife treating the husband. If you're all united and trying to please the Lord, these issues don't come up. They don't come up. And they come up when we don't understand who is God. use this term a lot. Like, what does the inner life of God look like? What I mean by that is, if we were to look inside the Godhead, Father, Son, Holy Spirit, before creation, before anything exists, all that exists is Father, Son, Holy Spirit, the triune God.

What is that? What, who is he? Because, you know, you have the idea in the Old Testament, Genesis 1, it says, when he says, let us, which is a plural term, let us make man in our image. and then it flips to singular. It says then he created them both male and female. So you get this idea of one and many diversity and unity all in the same being. You think what is going on there?

And I think it's why we don't understand these concepts like submission, because when we hear submission, we automatically think, oh, I'm losing power. And then we think, oh, if I'm losing power, that's a bad thing. Why is it a bad thing to submit? The reason why it's a bad thing to submit for why we have that connotation is because we have seen people submit to authorities and be abused. We've seen it in the church. I mean, look what's going on right now in the Southern Baptist Commission. We mentioned earlier.

You have all these massive scandals. It's happened in a lot. It happened in the Catholic Church too, right, where you have these people in positions of authority and then people are submitting to their authority and then abuse happens. even in our own marriages, even in our own relationships, we've been, we have taken, I've not parented my children 100% correctly. I'm telling you, at times in their submission to me, I have treated them harshly, I've exacerbated them.

Which is the next verse, right? We've all done this. And so the reason why we hear the word submission and immediately we're like, that's bad, is because we've hurt people and we've been hurt by people. that's not possible inside the Godhead. So submission is a word that if we're going to have the discussion about submission, I think that word needs to be redeemed.

We need to understand what does submission look like not in an earthly context where there's abuse and scandals. What does submission look like in an unadulterated relationship in a relationship where it's not possible to take advantage of one another? That's who God is. Right. God is a relationship of Father, Son, Holy Spirit. It is not possible for them to adulterate, to commit adultery against each other. It's not that they don't do it. It's not possible for them to do it.

Because 1 John 4.8 was it saying God is love. And that's what I think we're missing in this discussion. I agree. And I think you've got to realize that in the context of this about Jesus giving us freedom a new life, part of our new self, it starts in the home. That's where he went. That, by the way,

and then he's like, this starts in the house. Yep. Yep. When you start in your house, that's why you teach husbands, fathers should teach their children not to disrespect their mother.

That's one way of a husband saying, look, you know, a belt is coming on your little 10-year-old buck. If you disrespect your mother, you make that an iron-clad thing they must do because if you don't do that, when you dishonor your mother repeatedly, and there's no discipline there, that's what leads to cultural demises. That's when they begin to stumble, is they disrespect their mother. It's critical. That is teaching of men.

Even in our schools, you know, I mean, look, I got whipped by two principals at two different schools in my career. No, I had a few. And look, I had it coming. And I think what the world misses now, because they would frown upon that, right? Right. But those both instances, those two coaches that whip me, they became, we became great friends. I mean, I was in the wrong. and violating a social normal practice in both cases.

You know, one I lied and one I was mean and rude and insulted another teacher. And I got whooped for it. Yeah, because I wrote it down. I always preferred the paddling because if you got the paddling, it was over. Yeah, you go in there, you take your licks. And on our referral cards, it would say licks, three licks. That's what they call them. Yeah, that was our dad's code, three licks.

That's what they did both. But it was over. I'd rather do that than like suspension or something. And it hurt. Oh, I was surprised at the vigor. Oh. Because he kind of had a smile on his face, and I thought, well, he's got to do this. Well, that first lick, I was like, a paddle will light you.

A belt is not, to me, a paddle hurts way worse. Because I got what with the belt at home. But then you get like a paddle, man, that thing. You didn't. Exactly. That Hebrew is 12.9. Moreover, we've all had human fathers who disciplined us and the key phrase there is and we respected them for it because later on in life

when when your children has children then they begin to understand uh yeah dad i think i think i'm getting it on that i mean they were they respected their dad you know if that's taught it just think about if you don't teach respect for their mother it says right here if you don't your illegitimate children and are not true sons. So that Hebrew writer said that in Hebrew 12. So it's a critical issue, especially for today's culture. Especially when you look at our culture now, I mean, I heard on the way over here,

just on the random news that they said this past weekend, 14 different cities had shootings. Of course, they were saying this to try to get into the, we got to do something about the gun control. And they said Chicago alone, 51 people were shot just this past weekend. And I thought, that's a lot of people. And where they were trying to make it a political, you know, gun issue, I was thinking, where's the family structure in that?

Where's the father saying, hey, wait a minute. Well, that's what I want to discuss that a little bit more because I had a couple of thoughts of that as well. But we're out of time. So we'll do that in the over time. time. So again, blazedb.com slash unashamed. Which we got our first, uh, one of our friends converted. He said we got him on the baptism discussion, right? And he said, I finally had to go ahead and fork out that money. So, uh, McIntosh, we appreciate you. Yeah, we let it behind the paywall. Thank you for the sacrifice. So McIntosh, if you're listening, by the way, we'll have a

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