Unashamed with the Robertson Family - Ep 496 | Miss Kay Surprises Phil with a New Bobo & Jase's Nickname Sticks

Episode Date: June 15, 2022

Miss Kay tells Phil that his new dogs are on the way, after the recent passing of Bobo. Phil says he will name them Bobo and Bebe — Bobo wasn't the first Bobo, and he won't be the last! Jase explores the book of Hebrews with Al and Phil and how interesting it is that we are told to set our eyes on Jesus when we have believed but not yet seen. Al makes a point about blood health being used in the modern world to gauge how safe you are when it was Jesus' blood that was shed to save. And Jase's grandkids' new nickname for Jase finally sticks. Get "Your Daily Phil: 100 Days of Truth and Freedom to Heal America's Soul" by Phil Robertson, available now: https://www.amazon.com/dp/1400235936 Watch the Unashamed overtime show, only on BlazeTV: https://BlazeTV.com/Unashamed - Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

I am unashamed. What about you? Why everybody was at the beach, what did you do? You had this summer? Well, y'all all headed to the beach, and that left me by myself, me and the dogs, you know, minus Bobo because the UPS truck run over him. Yeah. So he'd gone. Mom showed me a sympathy card she got today from the animal hospital that used to take care of him.

I thought that was a pretty cool thing. just enter like a sorry for your loss card. So we're bouncing back and we're getting two of the same breed of dog that Bobo was. Oh, so Bobo is replaced by two dogs. This is Bobo about number six. This is weird. You've now entered an area where you're just going to go ahead and get the replacement right off the bat. That's right.

You got two chances. Bobo may disappear for a week or two then, but you get another one called him Bobo. and Bobo's always there. After a couple weeks, you won't even remember. So there'll be a Bobo as long as Miss Kay's alive. So what are you going to, are you getting a male on a female? I told them just get a male to replace Bobo, but, you know, they. She wanted to.

Women got together. Yeah, yeah, I got to hunt. Oh, it was probably one of them. You can buy two for 700 or the one for 500. That's right. Then you had money. Y'all all went to the beach. Y'all left just me and the dogs.

But you don't have the puppies yet, right? They're just... No, they're coming in. You've got to wait to be weaned. That's exciting. All right, well, congratulations. We'll have Bobo's replacement. And they're going to...

You're just going to call him Bobo. But what about the female? Female... Boo-boo? They decided to call her Beebe. Oh, I like that. I like that. Bobo and Beebe.

Because they're like little twins. Everybody all coming back together, you know. Oh, yeah. Also, dogs, you can... What's going to happen? the human race is they'll be resurrected from the dead and live forever with or without the dogs, I'm not quite sure. But while you're on the earth, you never run out of your favorite dog.

You just replace him with another. Well, I wondered if y'all would ever get to the time and age where you just said, you know what, I guess we're done. Wow, they weren't the opposite. They doubled down. Y'all doubled down. When I find Ms. Kay, if she's died of some diagnosis, somebody missed it, or whatever.

Trust me when I tell you, the dog will be with it. That's right. Well, because our thing is we, like, our lifestyle can't support having dogs because we can't take, we're on the road too much. She said every day I think about Bobo. Yeah. I say, hey, you know. And she loves that dog.

When all your kids leave, I think it's good to have. Yeah, that's the age where this is the man's best friend. By the way, breaking news, I just spent a week with, you know, our. whole family. And do you know what they were calling me? Like every time I would get my grandchild, J-Rock. So this whole thing about, no, you know,

Missy was on here. Oh, Wolf McQuaid. Yeah, we will never, that will never be your name. That's the dumbest idea ever. And she's like, you want to see J-Rock? I was like, I didn't want to draw attention to it. But I thought... When you make baby talk, you're in.

That's it. They're making baby talk. And I, you know, they were... I was going to be Paul Paul or something. All of y'all were standing on the beach. And I was like, whoa. I didn't realize it was that many coming out of this one family structure. I was surprised at the amount of individuals that are in there.

It is amazing how those kids changed so much. Like, because Zach's family was with us. Yep. for a day or two and like his kids I just hadn't realized I hadn't seen them in a couple years I see him all the time

but I don't see the kids and I was like who are you? It's like I'm Fred well I've noticed the same thing in mine I say which one is that one and Miss Kay at that man I'm like boy well now you've got all the

boyfriends you know girlfriend now it's not just the because we've got a bunch of teenagers a lot. So they are all there too. I saw Jep, son, River. I saw him.

We were in Austin, you know, and I saw him. And I was like, River, how are you doing? He's like, I'm doing well. What, things have changed in the last few months. Your voice went about. And he's got one of them little paper moustaches. Yeah, I said, okay, welcome aboard, man. Well, I tell you what.

A little struggle, a pretty good struggle with one of the adoptees, but within that structure. But it's amazing that all of them, all of the ones. I was looking at, the upcoming Robertsons. Most of them have been pretty solid. A few bumps and bruises. You know, I had a flashback yesterday, Dad, because so I'm, Carly is, I'm supposed to drop her somewhere. And then so she's like, well, I'm taking my driver's test today to get my license,

my driver's license. Can I drive your truck? I'm like, yep, let's do it. You know, we'll do a little practice where you've got to go do it for real. So she's driving me over there where we almost made it because I dropped her at L&M. I almost made it to the parking lot at Harvest Food right across from the mill, which is on the way out here. And I had this flashback because she's driving me. She's 16.

I still remember the day you and I were coming from somewhere. And you pulled over in the parking lot there. Back then it was Safeway. And I'm 14, which you could get a license back then at 15. And so you just got out and walked around. You didn't even tell me what we were doing. And you were like, all right, it's time to drive. I see what you got.

Of course, it was one of those column shift, you know, Chevroletes. So I bucked it about twice and killed it and then finally got going down the highway. But that was the first time I'd ever driven. I was 14. And you were there. And then I thought, now flash forward, I'm with my granddaughter, granddaughter, not son. Yeah.

And who's 16, and she's driving my truck right there in the same, almost the same. For all the people who speak negatively about the nuclear family, they call it. I don't know where they got the nuclear from, but the patriarchal system, you know, grandpa, great-grandpa, grandpa, grandpa, mamma, all the way down throughout the whole thing, for someone to say that's not the way to go, they're living in fantasy land. Well, my deal is how's it working for us? You not have it. How do you even come up with the idea?

that that's not the way to go. That's how we, that's how we're here. Exactly. And been doing it for all of human history. I mean, outside of the Bible part of it. Without the Old Testament. I mean, all of human history. Oh, yeah.

So, and by the way, you bring up to interesting point out because they call it in trying to be negative about it, a patriarchal system like, oh, man, bad. But it's patriarchal matriarchal. That's right. I mean, our wives, our moms, you know, our daughters are at the forefront of everything we do. we're all about equality. We were doing equal rights for women way before it became popular to talk about it. Your mother does an outstanding job of being with her granddaughters.

Oh, yeah. Teaching them. You know what I'm saying? All the time. Instructing them. My grandkids come in and they ask me a question. I'm like, that's a ma'am question. You're out of my realm.

Go talk to your ma'am about that. Can I spend the night? That's a man question. I mean, Lisa totally is the matriarch of our home. Yep. You know, for three generations. So, but that was kind of funny, the flash. How did Dad do for you?

How did you learn how to drive? Did you? I just can't believe after listening these, I was listening teenagers other night because now they have this, the law has changed, I wasn't aware, that you go through a system. You go out there. Oh, yeah, big time. And what it's like, you know, you see the little student driving. So it's driver's head.

driver's head is like mandatory. Because when I was 15, I went up there, took a test, failed it. They said, come back. So I wait, they got to wait. You know, Jay, that test wasn't that hard. I mean. I wasn't, but I didn't. Two weeks later, two weeks now, I go back up, past about, you know, one question.

Yeah, yeah. So then I get in the vehicle. We drove around the block, failed it, because I went. went two miles per hour over the speed limit. I was worried about the, I took my driver's test on the standard on the column. Do you remember I owed you? How old was it for you? It was like May 15?

Yeah, me too. So I, two weeks again. Here's what's crazy. I didn't have to be. Go home, practice, and then come back. Yeah, you would think I wouldn't have to take, retake the written test. Nope, I had to take it again. And here's what's funny.

Failed it. It's the same score. No, I bet. That's my one. So I was low. What about these five answers that I'm getting wrong continually? Shouldn't that be a red flag? So I take the driver's...

Because whatever you're doing, and that one is danger, danger, you know. Well, and so that's why when I passed the test this time, because I mean, I just went 10 miles an hour. I was like, and we go too long. There's no law against going too slow. And they said, here you got. I mean, you're now qualified. But now as I look back on that, that was pretty scary.

The new system is probably better. So, yeah, she had to go for a period of time. She had to go drive with these people. And then now you have to wait a certain amount of time. Like you can't just, once you do that, I'm going to go get my license. Even if you're the right age, there's got to be like a six-month period of time where you're supposed to be practicing at home. Back when you were a young buck, you pull up there one day.

I started to have tying up a hook net working on a hoop net. And you pulled up in the whole right-hand side of a vehicle we got off Ms. Kay's grandmother. That's right. The whole right side would just shear it off. And I looked at that thing. I said, it looked like you got into something there. And you said, yeah, the UPS truck. I said, you hit the UPS truck.

I said, yeah, I'd up here on the second curve, you know, that real sharp curve. Right there at Judge Harrison's, yeah. See, that's what happened. I said, that's what happened? I said, no. No, we did. No, here's what happened, Dan. So it was late in the afternoon.

I was coming home from school. And what happens is that that's a hairpin deal. It's real narrow right there. And so we just met. But the problem is for me, like, I couldn't, you know, the sun is just right there in my eyes. So all of a sudden when I see him, it's too late. So we both swerved out, but we just side swiped. Well, this guy, I mean, it was obvious to me that it wasn't his fault or my fault.

It was just a bad luck situation. Oh, the road is a one-lane road. Exactly. So look, this guy is like, no, you know, and I guess because his job's, on the line. He goes in because he had the same blue streak on his truck. So he's like, we got to call the police. I was like, okay. And so he calls and the state police, a state policeman came all over. We were just sitting there, took, you know, 30 minutes for when to get out here. And the state police comes up, looks at it. He's like, no fault. You need a bigger road.

Yeah, why did you call me? And he's like, well, I mean, because the UPS guy was blaming it on me like you know what hit this guy because i was young i'm going to be a 16 year old kid he didn't know what he's doing then the cop looks at and says no matter how old he was you meet in the middle of this one right here you're going to side swipe somebody so no fault was in a curve yeah that that's interesting but it's you understand because i'm sure those guys they probably if they have an accident it could be their job you know because i'm sure they got safety protocols and all that you'd have been lally gagging around drunk or drunk or well i'd say if it'd have been a couple years later

they may have had a case but that's where I got into it. The number one thing Missy gets on to me is about my driving. Because, you know, she's made such a big deal about the lack of education I had because she went through the driver's ed and all that. And she didn't have to. That was voluntary. But her parents, you know, made her. I mean, she's like she drove with like assisted someone sitting there for over a year.

So they were worse than this. Well, it did something to her. It made her be an expert driver. So every time I. do something, she's like, oh, I forgot you don't, you didn't take driver's edge. I was like, no, you didn't forget that because you bring that up every trip for the last 30 years. It's just a little bar.

So here's the way I do it now. When she doesn't realize I'm kidding, I'm wondering one day when it finally dawns on it. So every time I pull up to a four-way stop, I say, all right, what do I do here? And she's just like, oh, I forgot you didn't take drivers. But I ask her every time I pull up to a four-way stop. She's like, and she'll start explaining it to him. I was like, just tell me when to go. She's thinking literally every, like, it's like, boy, you're talking about dense.

I mean, every time. It just infuriates her, you know, and I'm like, I do it every time. Your mother has a driver now. I said, get her out of. Yeah, you should have made that decision 10 years. Get out, get out, get her, keep her out of the car. No more driving. I make everybody mad because I think when she gets.

I saw, saw, and she was coming. She's cleaned out every time. Why would they put a pole? right in the middle of the Walmart parking lot. I said this before. Once you retire, I think you should no longer be able to drive. Because I think it would be good for the economy. You have to hire a driver or they get one for you.

You know, send a bus, whatever. Because when you really look on the roads, you have people who are just rebellion, breaking all the laws, and then you have older people driving way too slow in the fast lanes. That's true. Let's take a break. Dad, you know how I knew mom needed to now have a driver? I happened to get behind her going to town a few months ago.

So from here to town, I'm at 20-something miles, she was never in the lane. That's correct. 20 miles. Now, luckily, she spent most of it in the shoulder and not across the middle line. But when I was driving, I was like, she's not in the, like her, she was always a little out. And sometimes she was on the whole shoulder, and I was like, Mom, I think it may be sound. Yeah, one of the deputies told me, he said, get her out of the fish, to keep her out of the vehicle. I got behind her, and he said, she was all over the, in the ditch.

Oh, it would look like a drug person. She said, well, the reason I'm over on the right hand side is I don't want to hit. Somebody too close to the other. And he said, well, it's wide enough. You don't have to be in the ditch all the time. Well, and to get back to my point, people say, well, you can't, people can't afford a driver or whatever, but that's what family's for. I just think you got to step in and do something because it's a problem. It does get aided.

One of the sitters now does all the driving. Yeah, and it's a lot better. We're all happier for it. Well, enough of this nonsense. That's a nonsense. So, all right, I got it. So I'm going to test your all short-term memory because from the audience's perspective, it's been a couple of days. But we were just here yesterday with one Mr. Larry Bowles.

That was good. We did two in a row. so hands see who remembers the acronym well it was honors of god the honors of god attributes of god attributes of god names of god deeds of god seed of god i remember that that's pretty good out the top of my head i didn't know you i know well because when i was coming out here today i thought can i remember that and i did i was like you are i remember which is good for the audience because you go through that a few times but look, those were great because he's got the idea.

You know what I thought after that? Because Phil brought up, you should have had something in here about time. Yeah. I thought Phil was actually proposing for Larry to put a watch on that hand. There you go. That's pretty good. You didn't tell Bowles. Phil's never had a watch.

Right. That's right. That's right. But you were like, wait, you need to work in this time. Hands and the watch. But he did. of the attributes of God. You end up as a world on a planet and you end up for whatever reason counting time by one individual, whoever lived. You need to check out that individual, see what he's

all about. But he did cover that in the attributes of God under the eternal. Yeah. I think he had immutable. Yeah. Yeah. Eternal. Didn't he have that? Yeah, yeah. He did. Yeah. So it was covered. Which when he talked about omniscient, omnipotent, those words, I've always added that fourth one. He did too, is eternal. And he just went through it about he wasn't created. He has no end. I'm the present. I'm the present.

Yeah, I'm the present. promoting that. See your little blurb? I didn't see it. I couldn't find that. I saw yesterday when I got back. Phil's the only human that I've met that actually saw a commercial about our show. And I watched Tucker last night.

You know, you can't. Your mama saw it. It just comes up, but you have to look quick. It's about 1,000, one, it's about a second and a hack. They're just teasing. That's it. Dark treasure is what it's it. Yeah, they're just teasing is what they're doing.

So you and, you and Jeff will be doing. and probably the tour. You'll be on most of the Fox shows. We'll do a little tour. And so we're trying to, we're cramming a lot of podcasts in a short period of time because we're all going in every direction. We were going to wait to get into Hebrews. But after what we talked about, the last two podcasts, about the deity of Jesus,

which I, look, I thought it was, I thought Larry did an awesome job. And I know a lot of you out there love Larry. It just, and I mentioned this, I think, yesterday, but he's going to be coming over working with our church more and doing some teaching. So we're going to try to get him on the podcast more so he can kind of be a regular rotator. I think it's a good idea. And look, he's not, we're not, he's not a, he's not a, he's not a scholar and neither

are we for that matter. Right. You know, every once in a while I see one of these emails or letters and people are like, well, you're way off on that. Okay. Maybe so. Remember we said, what's the first thing where I was saying? I could be wrong.

It's on the T-shirt. Yeah, so I'm reminding you of that because when we get into Hebrews, which we're going to give some overview to today, whatever random thoughts you have, Al, and we'll talk about just the overall view of it. Right. I mean, there is some complexity and some cleverness in this letter. It's one of my... Argumentations. It's one of my favorite books, no doubt about it in the New Testament. And, of course, I've said before I told you guys how much I love the Old Testament.

And so I think that's why I enjoy Hebrews so much is because of its kind of its scope in nature. I think it's kind of, I would call it the Romans to me is like the, like the, if you had a constitution for New Testament Christianity, it would be the book of Romans. I mean, Paul makes the case so clearly for Jesus and why we need him and how you can't. So I think the Hebrew writer, whoever it is, and we'll start there, Jay's, is, makes the case that if you have a Jewish background, you got to understand everything, and what we talked about the last two podcasts, everything that was happened up to now happened to get us to Jesus. And so I think, you know, because it's a weird book, Jay's because you don't have a,

there's no stated author. I have a theory on this. And there's also no stated recipients, which is unusual because most of New Testament books have that. So what is, I want to hear. Well, they put two and two together to come up with Hebrews just because the nature of it. You get the idea that these were Jews who were Christians, but they were really struggling. You know, I mean, maybe there's, what's the verse in 10 where it's like, don't give up? Right.

I mean, they were really struggling because you got to imagine. They were telling them to want to go back, you know, to the old ways. When I was in Israel, and they're still doing this, these rituals, even today. but there was some beauty in that from a family perspective and even in the ritualistic nature of it and the hierarchy of the Jewish leadership you just you put two and two together and you realize they were putting some pressure on people who had decided that Jesus is the son of God and this is it I mean, they, so, and I just thought to myself, you know, a lot of times when I was young in the faith, whenever I would hear, the people would go back and say, all right, now these were Jewish, you know, Christians he was writing to.

And I remember thinking, well, what's they got to do with me? I mean, I don't apply. Why do we have to go through the history of that? Right. But I realized in just reading this, we all come from somewhere. And we're all going to have to battle whatever. that was that we were comfortable with, or even if you were raised in a terrible environment, you're going to have to find a way to Jesus despite that. But in this case, I mean, I thought

it's not unlike today, even in our Western Christian world, people having to overcome the tradition of whatever they come out of. I mean, if it's not centered on Jesus, you're in the wrong camp. Now, in this case, it was a little more difficult for them. because this was God's idea to choose them as His Holy Nation. But anyway, I have a theory because I read a lot of commentaries on what they thought who the writer was. And look, we could sit here. I mean, I literally was shocked at how many different opinions. There's a lot.

And who the recipients were and even the time of the writing. I mean, it was all over the place. So then it hit me. I have a theory on why you don't know who the author is and who the reason. recipients are. Are you ready? I'm ready. You have no idea what I've had.

I have no idea. I'm on the edge of my seat. One of the themes and one of the phrases in this letter is in the faith, the faith, faith. And he defines it in Hebrews 111. Faith is being sure of what we hope for and certain of what we do not see. So I just think if this was one of the pillars in this. letter, he was requiring you to have a little faith. He just didn't spell it out.

And I think ultimately the Bible is written by the Holy Spirit of God. God is the author. And so you just don't know. You can't fix your eyes. That's interesting because you probably read some of the same commentaries I did that talked about how this book struggled post-fronted. century about where to put it in the canon of scripture, a lot of people rejected it because it didn't have that, what Jay's described, because it was like, well, this came in.

Oh, yeah, I think it wasn't in at first. So, so really your faith theory, which I like that, let's take another break. And look, I didn't read that somewhere. I'm on an island with that. But here's why. But your faith theory makes sense because it's really the same faith about the whole Bible. We've talked about it. Exactly.

That the Holy Spirit has brought it along to us. Because you got as many people doubting about the Bible way more 2,000 years later than you did right when he was first written in a series of letters. I would just simply say the heart of it from start to finish. He goes back to all the scriptures in the Old Testament. And Bowles yesterday did an outstanding job. And I think the Hebrew writer, he's basically, he starts in the past, you know, God worked with it. many times, barriers way within these last days, spoken as by his son.

I think the whole thing of Hebrews is writings about the supremacy and those things that Bowles had on that paper, and the names attribute to the... Right. The supremacy of Jesus. Well, the first ten chapters. That's the opening paragraph.

The gospel is preached. You know, after he provided purification for sins, he sat down at the writing. That supremacy of Jesus, that first phrase is really the... The first ten chapters is about Jesus is better. That's right. That's right. He's just better.

I mean, we say supremacy, but he says over and I think you got it that down somewhere. He's just better. To undo something that people had grown used to and twisted it this way and that way for 1,500 years to undo that and just get it. him, get them focused on Jesus. That's a pretty good task. Well, that's what I was saying, look, it sounds easy from a million miles away. And they're like, what are they thinking? But when you're going against your family and your heritage and the religious leaders and people you respect, I mean, can you imagine the persecution? And it's not like it's from the world. This is your family.

That's right. We've all seen these communities, even in our modern world, where they cut themselves. off from society. I'm not going to mention any names, but it's easy to recognize them. And they do their own thing. Well, when you come up in that culture and you say, I'm out of here, oh, they kick you out if you won't embrace the ritualistic side of, and I mean, I don't mean that in a negative light. It's just what they, it's what they do. Larry mentioned it yesterday. You're labeled. Larry mentioned yesterday with the people that they've led to Christ. I mean, they've had to leave their families.

They've been totally kicked out forever. Oh, yeah. I mean, you're, you never go back. No. And so, I mean, you're right, Jay's. You remember that? It made me think of that story in John 9 when you said that. Remember when the guy is blind and then the disciples say, why is this man blind?

Is it, you know, his sin or is somebody else? And Jesus says he was blind to display the power of God. And then he heals him. We remember when the guy's running around, he's so excited. And he goes to his parents. Well, they're scared today. Yeah, because they were had, and then they're interrogated, you know, by the Sanhedra. And then they eventually get kicked, they kicked the guy out of the synagogue.

And you're just like, and all that happened to him was he got healed. Yeah. I mean, what did he do? He's just sitting there buying his own business. Jesus heals him. And then they're wanting to kick him out because he got healed to show you how strong that is. Well, yeah. And look, and we're going to make the connection.

There's over 100 references to the Old Testament. here in the book of Hebrews. And the only reason I'm bringing this up, because a lot of people say, why are we studying this when it was written to these specific people? But we see the similarities in our life as human beings. Look, we are ritualistic people.

Even when I had that prison ministry going, I recognized that some of those people that were in prison, I mean, they're in prison. You would think, well, they all want to get out. No, not some of them. they have become comfortable in that environment. And I thought, what are we as human beings when you're in prison locked up from all the other human beings and you're actually fine with it?

And I think what proves my point on that is how many people get out of prison only to do something and find themselves right back in. I mean, I forgot what the numbers are, but it's high. The recidivism. You remember the movie Showshank when they've been in there a long time, and then they got out. First, it was the older guy, and he's trying to work, and he just can't function. So he hangs himself, he kills himself because he's like, I can't live, you know, outside the walls.

And so then, O. Red, which is Morgan Freeman, he gets out, and he understands what the guy went through, because he's like, he said, once you get used to these walls, you know, that's who you are. I think he said at the end, you depend on them. You depend on them. That's exactly right. But I think we do the same thing in the religious world. are happy with three huts and a cot. That's right.

But I think you see that in life, whether it be, you know, to try to carry on your family's legacy in a negative light, I mean, how many times have you seen that where the family just was a complete breakdown and then the kids that come on, they do exactly the same path. The same path. It's just there's always a tendency to go back to our roots. And in this case, and in any case without Jesus, there's no answer to life.

And if without Jesus, there's no moral compass. Right. You know, what I found fascinating is he has these arguments about Jesus is better, Jesus is better, but then ever so often, he gets into that, you know, there's one place in Hebrews 6 where he says, you know, you should, by now, you should be teachers. So these people had been in a while. It wasn't like they.

just came to Christ. But then he said, you need to mature so you can distinguish good from evil. Well, what's he saying that for? Yeah. Because, well, later on, he starts getting into the specific sins. Yeah, why that's coming up. And it always comes back to that. It's like you think your problem is you need to go back to your roots.

You're getting this pressure put on by your family. But meanwhile, if your life is not in line. with what you know to be right and God's principles. That kind of hurts your theology in that. And, you know, he subtly does that, which I found fascinating. So before we totally leave the concept of authorship, I want to make one point because people will wonder just to tie that off. I agree with Jace.

It doesn't matter who wrote it. It doesn't matter. Or the recipients because the Holy Spirit wrote it is who wrote it. But the reason most, well, I shouldn't say most, a lot of people, think it's Paul is because of what Paul said about himself in Philippians 3, verse 5, when he's describing himself about if I had confidence put in the flesh, who more than me, circumcise on the 8th day, which is Jewish custom, of the people of Israel, of the tribe of Benjamin, a Hebrew of Hebrews, in regard to law, a Pharisee.

So, I mean, what some people say is if you're going to have a treatise on Jewishness, it had to be Paul. But the reason I don't think it is, is this one verse, the one that's always got me is Hebrews 2, verse 3, when the writer says, how shall we escape if we ignore such a great salvation? This salvation, which was first announced by the Lord, was confirmed to us by those who heard him. So, I mean, Paul claimed in all of his other books that he was the first generation because Jesus spoke directly to him. So I don't think Paul would say that.

But. Well, I don't either. I read the same argument. I mean, what got me, though, is Al, you would read this and somebody would say, you know, so it's definitely not Paul. And they use that illustration. But then you'd read another one. And it says, now, the best guess is Paul.

Right. Because he, you know, he references Timothy. You read those last two verses, which we always read the last in chapter 13. Well, in 13, 22. And look, this is nothing more than just to go down this road, which we said doesn't really matter. But he did write 22 through 25. It says, brothers, I urge you to bear with my word of exhortation, for I've written you only a short letter. Well, to me, that weeded out Paul.

That's right there because he wrote Philippians, Colossians, and they were, he would have said, this is just a brief. That's right. This thing is, that's what I'm saying, this is at a Romans level. Let's take a break. I want you to know that our brother Timothy has been released. If he arrives soon, I will come with him to see you. So he was part of the camp. And that's how they get the date when you go down that road, which I did.

Look, if you want to get into that, you can. But, I mean, don't set yourself up as like, I have to know these details. Because I think some of the point here is, if you get so caught up in this. Right. Because there's no. God chose not to. reveal it. Right. Correct. And I know we can't, you know, we can't stand it, but when you think about faith, you're believing in something that's going to be revealed later. Yeah. I mean, we believe

there's a God, but we haven't seen him. I mean, face to face. Right. But we're like, just, just give it time. He'll be revealed. That's faith. That's what faith is. So then he says, greet all your leaders and all God's people, those from Italy send you their greeting. So So it was based in Rome. He was writing this in Rome. Now, some people said, well, these were Jews that were in Rome. Yep. But, you know, it seems weird that he would say they send their greetings.

Why don't just walk across the street and say, hey. No, it's, it had it. So my theory is, is my first thing is, it doesn't matter. The second thing, my theory is it was part of the Paul troop. It could have been Barnumus, could have been Apollus, could have been Luke. I mean, Luke wrote Luke. You think it wouldn't be him because. he was a Gentile, but he did a pretty good job of the book of Lute, you know.

And whoever this was was pretty clever, because I'm telling you, when you get into the weeds of this book, there are some really clever arguments, and I think some irony that we can discuss. I mean, I was going to give kind of an overview. Before we do that, I want to read this, because you brought it up. I went back and and jotted them down this morning. So the word better is it appears 11 times in this book. better. So, Hebrews 6.9, better things. Hebrew 719, better hope. Hebrews 722, better covenant. Hebrews 8, 6, better promises. Hebrews 9.23, better sacrifices. Hebrews 10, 34. Better possessions. Hebrews 11.4, better offering. Hebrews 1116, better country. You know, that's what we was talking about

Abraham. Hebrews 1135, a better resurrection, which that'll be interesting when we get there. Hebrews 1140, God had planned something better for us that only together with us would they be made perfect. Talking about all the people in Hebrews 11. And then Hebrews 1224, a better word, the sprinkle blood of Jesus over Abel. That's a lot about better. It's a lot about better. Well, I noticed that too. I mean, I noticed in the list, I didn't see faith, so I brought that up, but I also saw that better.

but when you think about it, just like every other letter, no matter, and I don't think it was Paul, because he, in every other letter, he signed that it was him. Correct. Why didn't he do it here? And you know, one of the reasons why that I read, which makes sense, because Paul was one of the main leaders of the early church, and obviously was being inspired by the Holy Spirit to write this, you know, the tip, the thought, fear for Paul would have been that people would have been writing in his name and writing false stuff.

So he probably was really, that's why he was so careful about making sure his name got on everything, right? Yeah, exactly. So you wouldn't have impostors. So, but what I was going to say, I mean, you know, you brought up Romans and people have come up with the Roman road.

Mm-hmm. You've heard that. Yep. Well, I think there's a Hebrew highway. Yeah, there's a Hebrew. It's exactly what I was going to say. You're stealing my... Well, I mean, we, our minds think a lot of,

lot of light, I like the Hebrew highway. I'm writing it down. I like these three things that, because I want to highlight, and you may say, you may say, well, you all sound like a broken record.

The record keeps playing. We just put it on and then listen to what it says. And it's like, yep, that's a similar team. That's right. But just watch these three things. I think this is ironic.

In Hebrews 3, one, and I'm not going to get deep into this. I just want to call it. your attention to these phrases. And I think I've shared this before, but it says, Therefore, Holy Brothers, who share in the heavenly calling, fix your thoughts on Jesus.

So when we're talking about the purpose here, which we already said the first 10 chapters, he basically says Jesus is better. Right. But here he says, fix your thoughts on Jesus. Yep. Now, in Hebrews 12, 1, he says, Fix your eyes.

since we are surrounded by such a great cloud of witnesses. And you can't appreciate that phrase until you read the whole chapter of 11. Because there was all these witnesses. And which is, which my point is, he's really clever in that he starts off saying Hebrews 111 is faith is being sure of what we hope for and certain of what we don't see. Then he gets to 12 and says, and he tells all these great stories. of faith pre-Jesus. And then he's like, since you're surrounded by such a great cloud of witnesses, so even though we're supposed to believe in something we can't see and be sure of something

we hope for, certain of what we don't see, he then says, well, I have these witnesses. You're surrounded by the, now he's using witnesses. So you'd think, well, what happened to this? Just believing. Thought we didn't have to see it. So then he does something more ironic. He says, let us fix our eyes on Jesus. I thought faith was being sure of what we hope for

and certain of what we don't say. I think it's at least interesting. Hang on, Dan. Let's take our last break. It is very interesting. If you go all the way back to Genesis, which is to your point, Jace, which is kind of a, you're like, whoa,

the name of the book, going to look at the name of it is Hebrews. So we say that. That we just made up. Somebody made it up, whatever. Somebody said it was the first book about coffee. I'll tell you who did make it up. You got Genesis 14, 13.

One who had escaped, came and reported this to Abram, the Hebrew. He was living, tells us about where he lived. it is interesting that the first time Hebrew was mentioned is in way back in Genesis 14, Abraham, the Hebrew. And Jace, to your point, he just happened to have been the father of our faith. Yeah, exactly. So when you leap all those years forward and you get to Hebrews, you're like, I wonder if Abram, the Hebrew,

Brew is going to be mentioned. Oh, he certainly is. Yeah, and we're going to get into that in detail. But I think it's tied together there a little tighter than most people realize. Here's an interesting thought about it. Where did Hebrews come from? Here's an interesting thought, just someone, you know, who did it. It's in the Encyclopedia Britannica, your go-to.

For that, the origin of the term Hebrew itself are uncertain, in terms of historically. Yep. It could be derived from the word Iber or ever, a Hebrew word meaning the other side and conceivably referring to Abraham who crossed into the land of Canaan from the other side of the Jordan River. So maybe. I mean, interesting. Yeah. That is interesting. Yeah.

So let me finish my thought. So you had, if Jesus is better and we fix our thoughts on Jesus, then he says, fix your eyes on Jesus, chapter 12. and then chapter 13 now he makes this illustration because from them they would appreciate the holy place and the use of and we're going to talk about animal sacrifices and you know i mean that's what they did under the old law and they would use that as a sin offering and they would burn the bodies outside the camp which is i know was gory. But then in verse 12, he says, and so Jesus also suffered outside the city gate. Now, this is what I'm saying about a clever argument. Now, he's taking what they did for years and years and years and years, and all of a sudden he brings up Jesus and tries to get them to

think beyond what they were accustomed to. And he says, so Jesus suffered outside the city gate to make the people holy through his own blood. let us then go to him outside the camp, bearing the disgrace he bore. So if you put that all together, what I said, the Hebrew Highway, you start with your thoughts on Jesus as a possibility, kind of what we did with bowls. Every human has to ask themselves a question, who do you say he is? He's either, you remember that book that said he's either a lord, liar, or a lunatic.

I mean, people say, no, no, yeah. There's a decision you've subconsciously made about who Jesus is. Because if he's real, things change immediately. Right. So I think those three highlights shows you his ambition, which is a focus like Colossians, different crowd, same message.

And this is a lot more clever, but with a lot of passion. So what was the last figure? fix your eyes. Well, you go to him. So either you got, I would say, you know, you take yourself and you go to him outside. So you think about it, you see him, and then you go to him. So whether you want to say your feet, your mind, your spiritual eyes, because that was, he was being, he was using irony there.

He was like being sure of what we're hoping for and certain of what we don't see. Focus your eyes on Jesus. Yeah, focus your thoughts. Well, how do I do that? And that's interesting. I just hadn't thought about that. But he said they took the bodies of the sacrifices out to burn them because they only wanted the blood.

That was the ritual that we'll get to in Hebrews 10 and 11 or 9 to 10. And it's interesting because Jesus was outside. They're talking about that's where they crucified him because when that's done, it's defiling. You couldn't, that's outside of any good Jew would do. And so you never go down there. You couldn't even get near a dead body. That defiled you. So the idea was that the blood of Jesus was shed where his body was, which is where you would have to go to embrace him.

Well, exactly. That's why he went on to say in verse 15 and 13, through Jesus, therefore, let us continually offer to God a sacrifice of praise, lips to confess his name. And don't forget to do good and share it with other. I mean, he was like, I get it. You're wanting to go back to a system, but there's no Jesus back there. is better. I mean, it's kind of like you've heard that sermon illustration where it's like, you know,

in the Olympics, you've got a high jump, but a high jump is based solely on your ability. To jump. You just, you take off and some of those guys can jump high. Yeah. And you're like, well, what is the goal? Well, to jump higher. But you know, there's just a limit. I mean, I think, what is it?

A seven or eight feet. Yeah. Well. And now it's centimeters higher than the last guy, but we're not talking. Nobody's making a foot. Well, right. But then you got the pole vultors. Well, guess what?

They go 18 to 20. You said, what's the difference? Well, they got a pole. So, and that's the point. Every single one of those were the pole breaks and, I mean, it's a, it's a, it's a cleanup on aisle seven. Between what they were into, you're only going to jump so high and it's not going to be rewarding.

I mean, I just, that was an illustration I heard a guy give, but. but it's based on your own merits, and it's doomed to fail. But with the pole of all, I mean, Jesus, when he's, he's the pole, but the poll that we're talking about here does impossible things. It's like you're running to jump over, and the next thing you know, you're going over three mountains and being imperishable. Because that's really what this is.

We're not relying on our effort, and that's what I think he was subtly trying to get across. cross to them. I mean, Jesus, his way and his covenant is better. Yeah, I like that. And I like that idea about the concept of the blood, which we're going to dive into later in the book. On my way out here today, I had to go by and get my yearly checkup. And the first thing they do when they're checking you out, you know, you're finding out, are you good to go? You've got some problems. What's going on is right here. They take a needle and they stuck it in my arm and she pulled. out three vows of blood about, you know, four or five inches long.

They're going to check this. They're going to check that. They check for this. And then the thing comes back and they call you and they're either good to go or we got a problem. But your blood determines your health in a physical body. So it's really interesting that God would use that same thing for spiritual health. It is.

Well, because the animals, you know, it can never cleanse. You just had to do it again. but Jesus did it once for all. We'll get that. But I wanted to read this before we go to overtime. The reason Jesus is better, and he brings up the difference

in the Old Covenant and New Covenant, and I'll come across this somewhere. Under the Old Covenant, you had a shadow. In the New Covenant, you had the substance in reality. Which, Bowles talked about that. The Old Covenant, it was temporary. The New Covenant, it was permanent. In the Old Covenant, the mediator was Moses.

The High Priest was Aaron. in the new covenant is Jesus and Jesus. That's right. And Jesus. The priests under the old covenant were only Levites. In the new covenant, it's everybody. Yep. It's every Christian.

In the old covenant, it's imperfect, new covenant, perfect. There's a lot in here about perfect. Yeah, that could be another word. In the old covenant, it was abolished because it just won't work. and the new covenant, it was fulfilled in Jesus, you know, through love. And the old covenant was entered by natural birth, and the new covenant was entered by spiritual birth. And the last thing, the old covenant was for Jews only,

and the new covenant is for all nations. I mean, that's why when you look at it into reality. Way better for everyone. That's way better. Yeah, this is what God's plan was. And so we'll walk that line as we go through. So we're out of time. We'll go in the overtime, I'll give you my five keys from the book.

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