Unashamed with the Robertson Family - Ep 497 | Jase Speculates on the Origin of Technology & How We Should Interface with It

Episode Date: June 17, 2022

Jase shares his best guess about the origins of technology and how it was born out of necessity when man was told to work the ground and subdue it. Al discusses the problems that can arise from technology for anyone who is irresponsible with it and how our culture suffered from the pandemic because of technology. And Jase discusses the people with a background of Islamic faith who accept the Old Testament as truth and how excited he was to speak on the New Testament with them. Watch the Unashamed overtime show, only on BlazeTV: https://BlazeTV.com/Unashamed Get "Your Daily Phil: 100 Days of Truth and Freedom to Heal America's Soul" by Phil Robertson, available now: https://www.amazon.com/dp/1400235936 - Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

I am unashamed. What about you? So, Dad, it's June. Usually you have some reports along the way about the land, the water regime. Is there a season now, or is you waiting it out, or what are you doing? This is a low water year. First one in what, five years, right? Last year was a low water year. It got up to about 34, 35, which is a, about 15 feet rise on the river. This year, it got up to about 30, 31, 32 in there.

40 is flood stage here. Just pushing in on the ducco. So now we've got it all ready to drain out. We're waiting on, we're going to plant the muck. The muck is all the water that's in the backwater. When you drain a swamp land, it's just solid silt. It's silt. It's just muck.

Filled with snakes and mosquitoes. Alligators. All that's. We're going to drain it all. Everything out there now wants to hurt you. We're going to drain this week. And soon as we drain it and soon as the muck appears when the water comes off, we take four-wheelers with cedars on the back and we just spray all that muck.

Then we'll drain it down a couple more days. We moved down. So we just plant it as we drain. You drain it and you plant it. So the silt is your fertilizer. It's a fertilizer. We're not buying fertilizer because it's $100 a bag. Because of the Ukraine, I never knew this until this war happened,

is like 75% of the world's fertilizer comes from Ukraine. I didn't know that. So obviously they're not providing it because they're in the war. This political structure we now have is the worst I have ever seen in my 76 years on the earth. Pretty bad. So, but. Beautiful. Luckily for you, Dad, and us, the Almighty has provided fertilizer by way of the Washdaw River.

That is correct. And so you're using that to your advantage. If you don't plant it before the Almighty plants it, he'll bring it down and he'll put what he thinks are to be out there. Sometimes, are you doing something? Ducks don't like what he puts out there. Now, look, you bring up an interesting thought. That took a third. I was studying this because you're, you famously have said that you're a low-tech man

in a high-tech world. That is correct. But something hit me the other night. So when God made Adam and Eve, I may be going out here. Oh, boy, here we go. I could be wrong. It's a long way from. I wish I had to wear my long way from T-shirt.

But go ahead. No, we're getting there. Yeah. He made Adam. He had this statement because, you know, Genesis 1 is kind of a creation. narrative. But then Genesis 2 is kind of like a lot of scholars say, well, it's the same creation narrative. Yeah, he just focuses on the humans. Yeah. So it's a, it's a dual creation story there. But he says he took the man to work, work the ground and subdue it. Well,

there's your birthplace of technology. Yeah. Think about it. Because he had to say, okay, Well, I need an efficient way to do this. And, you know, when you get to chapter four or five there, you get into the actual farming and they were making tools. Now they were making them for violence. And so it was, I mean, God had technology in mind from the beginning. Because if you read the definition of science and technology, it's basically coming up with a way to be the most efficient. with what you have to work with, right?

Correct. So, but that led me because I kind of chuckle what I thought about. Phil always said, oh, you know, no technology. But the more I got to thinking about that, I heard a sermon one time talking about technology, but, and basically the thrust of it, it was on some book that somebody read, that it's kind of like anything else. It's what you use it for. But the problem when you put it.

all your hopes and dreams in technology is there's no moral consideration. Correct. In that. That's the problem. Right. If you're totally relying on that. So my point is you can come up with a way to be more efficient, but it doesn't necessarily tell you whether you should do that.

Correct. Because what if your goal, whatever makes you happy or whatever your goal is, if you find the most efficient way to do that, well, what if it's killing 10,000 people? Right. But technology doesn't consider that. You would just come up with a way to do it. So I think when we get on... Which is why technology is on the same level as the theory of evolution,

because the people that came up and believed the theory of evolution say the same thing. It's just survival of the fittest. In other words, there's no morality. if you have to die so that someone stronger than you can live, that's what we do. But my point is, don't blame technology when they give you a cell phone, and you're like, well, I mean, they, you know, they made it where I could do this. You still have a moral obligation to the creator of the universe to make wise decisions, no matter what you have in your hand, and no matter what you're going to do.

And that's the problem when you take all this technology, because look, we've come up with some incredible things, especially in the last 20 years. I mean, just incredible. But we're so relying on it. I mean, there's actually people out there that think that death is a technology problem. They're like, at some point, we'll figure out technology to where we can't, we won't die. Yep. I mean, you're talking about delusion.

They're working on trying to make us immortal, instead of God. But I also know the thing you're right. If you put your hope on that, guess what's? what's going to happen to you? You're going to die while they're trying to figure it. Another irony about your thing with Dad and the idea of technology in the land is that, I don't know, Dad, if you added up the value of the equipment that's within about 100 yards of where we're sitting right here in this podcast studio, it would be a lot, right? It would be about a million dollars.

A million dollars worth of stuff. Whoa. And that's track hose and tractors and spreaders and planners. They even came up with, the people that do our side-by-side, came up with a side-by-side that runs on tracks that I don't know that they've ever done it for anybody other than you. Maybe they have. Well, they make it for a few people. So you can plant.

If you have tracks instead of wheels, your tracks won't bury down in the mud. Right. You won't get stuck. You just go along on top of it. You know what's in those computers? I mean, those tractors now? Computers. Tell me about it.

That's the first thing the rats eat. So we go in there, you know, we got moth balls in little bags. Yeah. Put them in there and they smell. Them rats do, ooh, get out of here. So actually, it's fighting rats. Actually, from a financial perspective, you're way more technological than me. Because that phone only costs about, what do they cost now?

About thousand bucks. A thousand bucks. Yeah. This phone, they've got ways to do stuff and all that. but trial and error is what I use. So we know what kind of feed ducks like the best. So sometimes the Almighty will give us a great crop of sprangletop. But we've noticed that if you have millet there that's flooded,

more ducks will come on the millet than the sprangletop. Right. So we say... You're not really going against the Almighty. You're just bringing some of the stuff from somewhere else here. He set the parameters on when we drain it, when we plant it and how we do that how we put water on it we just work around what he's doing but we're very aware so i didn't but my point was phil you're not looking at the tractor asking it

whether you should look lustfully at a woman no well and as ridiculous as that sounds but people do that with a phone right or some other piece of you work on the land and live in the woods and you operate based the format on what god is giving it from year to year, some years wet years, some year's dry year. We have decided we've done it trial and error. We say, okay, this year we've got

a pretty dry year. We'll be planting by June. A lot of times it's August before the water comes out. Long backwater. Well, that determines what we plant. Can't get out there because it's flooded. All I do is manipulate water and a lot of it.

So I didn't know we were going to open with this because I didn't either. I never know what we're going to open with. But, Jason, you brought up an interesting point, which I like that in Genesis 2 Technology Birthplace. So I'm speaking this week. By the time this airs, it will have already happen. But I'm speaking this week. I was asked to come to Washington, D.C., and I'm already going to be out speaking anyway, to speak at a conservative environmental conference. Because you think about environmentalism, most time we always think left-wingers and, you know, all that. But there's a group, a large group of young conservative people.

And when I say conservative, you know, politically, that are also concerned about conservation and taking care of the planet, which so are we. So the guy reached out to him and said, would you come and talk about how that hunters and fishermen, by nature, most of them, are conservationists, which we are. Oh, yeah. And so I took a, I got Dan to take a picture on the wall here.

There's a picture of our property. from a high viewpoint, which shows the whole thing. So I'm going to show that at this conference because God blessed us to be able to have property. But what you have done, and now we're in your footsteps because Stone and us will be the next generation, then beyond that, is that we want this property to be exactly what God intended it to be,

a paradise of wildlife and us to be able to enjoy that and be a part of that. And so if everybody had their parcel had the same mind, You know, the earth will be a pretty good place. Look at all the work you put into it. A lot of the things we have nothing to do with it. It's just as simple as walk out there. And a little blow will come by, thunderstorm, and I see a limb that broke off and it hit the ground.

Well, it's a willow oak limb. So I said, let me just look at something. So beginning in June, mid-June, going into July, I see a limb on the ground. I ease over and on that, stop my four-wheel. I walk over there and look at that. And I take that limb, sometimes it's like that. And I roll that limb around a look.

I said, well, what do you know? I said, I see a lot of acorns. Well, last year I looked at the limbs, and there were no acins. Very few. So our wood duck population was way down. No food supply. Large 1,600 acres, but no acres on the trees. Well, that affects the deer, how much food they have,

food supply, the ducts, it affects everything. So this year remains to be seen, but I've never seen two years in a row where the acorns weren't there. It could have been a warning that somebody close to this property should, might have done something wrong. That's right. It needs to repent. So my point, Jays.

Judgment. My point, and I don't have long to speak, but I went back to Genesis 2 in the same place you did, which I like your thought, I may add that. now that you've told me that. I have more. Well, I need more. That Genesis 2 is also that same context is the birthplace of conservation. Because the man came here and before he ever had a life.

And technology. And science. That's right. And science. But here's where my argument. Here's where I wasn't going to do this, but since you brought it up, here's where it leads. So if the technology gurus say that is the answer to all.

And I've already explained the problem with it. is it doesn't have a moral basis. Technology doesn't factor in what you're trying to be efficient for. It just says, here's how you do it. We still have to decide some other way whether we should do this, whether it's right or wrong. Correct. So my point is, if that's the technology way,

where people who affix that as the answer to all, one day we'll be able to figure out all the world's problems and in-world hunger based on technology. Because that's what people think. Well, they're going to the future, but I'm going in the past. How could you have technology pre-Genesis 2 without a technician? Mm-hmm. Where did the tech? Because the earth was formed.

There was technology set in motion when you start. building planet. That had to take some technology. I mean, you have it just the right distance from the sun. You have water. You have it with all the components. You have all these different soles.

We call it gumbos. I mean, it's like, like, it's a particular, it's not like sandy. No. You know, up on some ridges, you get a little sandy, but down in the swamp part. Yep, different. That's silt.

You get a whole different regime of vegetation. I mean, your vegetation, we go out there and say, whatever we put here, we need to put it here for a food supply, for squirrels, ducks, deer. We said, we're aware of all these different species that depend on it. So we try to make it. So I propose. Hang on, Deuce. Let's take a break. I propose the technology came from the technology.

that has a lot of skills, a certain set of skills, that would be God Almighty, who also, by the way, has the moral compass by which men should live by, in that it's pure just... And they have an open denial of the technician. He's not there. That's it. There is no God. We're looking at it like, oh, there's a God. There's a creator. And we work within the parameters when it comes to trees, bushes, grasses. We study the whole thing from start to finish. It's a good point. The techno-lords have tried to replace the ultimate technician with their technology.

It's Mother Earth. The techno-lords cannot achieve the objective because of the lack of morality that only Jesus as Lord provides. But you know what's interesting days? So you got show... Father God has been replaced by Mother Earth. Yeah, that's a... Bad move.

So, you know, you look at those shows like Star Trek and all those, which the idea was we would eventually evolve to a place with technology. Yet we would solve all of our problems that we have now, or when that show was first made in the 60s, 70s, 80s, whatever. But, you know, it was interesting, the shows always have to have the same tension in them. So guess what? The whole time, they're fighting wars. They're bombing out.

planets. Now it's just a bigger scale of destruction. You see I'm saying? I mean, you take the same moral compass. This right here, right here, depends on God and how he saw the water, the rains, the droughts, the storms. You say you have to operate under what he gives you. You think about schools now today. I mean, now, especially since the pandemic, they have, think of the technology, even the public school that I went to, we went to, now had to buy each student a computer during the coronavirus. Yeah.

Because you had to be able to go online. So you're thinking, well, that's fascinating that we've reached a place in our existence, that we're that sophisticated. Well, what's the problem with schools? When there's still no moral compass, especially since God has been removed. That's it.

So all the technology in the world is not going to matter if there's no moral way to address people's lives and instill it. Not only that, to prove your point even more, all that technology was poured into it. Schools are upgraded to try to help them be less virus, you know, less virus, you know, and all this stuff, better air circulation.

But it's now, they're proving it now. because now you're looking at the results. All that technology you take, all those computers, guess what? Educational disaster. Scores plummeted. People have dropped it. Just didn't even go back to school. Well, you know why?

Because not only if you take out God as far as the moral compass, it actually, and it, I mean, these are what people have written about it. And, you know, they're godly men. But when you think about what technology does, and it does a lot of good things, But it also separates us from the actual earth. Because you can, you could be planning technology so much to where you never are experiencing the earth itself other than what you're looking at and typing. And you thought, well, nobody would do that. Oh, there's people been in their basement for days, weeks, and months.

They hadn't even seen the sun. Yeah. So what are they doing? Well, they're on a computer. On a technology. Now we're back to your metaverse deal. Well, then when you get to the social platforms and all, it actually, that alienated you from other people.

It just gave you a mirage that you were interacting. You're quoting scripture, although they claim to be wise, Jase. As far as technology go, they really have. They became fools. They exchanged the glory of the immortal God for images made to look like mortal man, birds, animals, and reptiles. therefore he gave them over to the sinful desires of their hearts to sexual impurity for the degrading of their bodies with one another they exchanged here's the deal with technology they exchanged the truth of god for a lie and they worshipped and served

created things rather than the creator that's where we are well but but you got to remember technology like you say they got rid of the technician jace it well technology is a good thing as long as you adhere that there is a technician because it was God's plan all along but when you take God out of the equation when there's no technician then all of a sudden the moral fiber breaks down and then the relationships break down which is what it always comes back to that relationship with the father trickles into a relationship with our family and the community and so you can use this together but you take God out of it and you're going to have to Our audience out here, because we got all young people who are very tech savvy,

I'm telling you, you're going to have to be a policeman in your house with your children, especially, about what Jason was just talking about. Last night, Lisa comes in, I'm working on this. I'm working on our podcast. So I'm on my computer working, you're studying. And so all my grandkids are there where they're all on a device, one of them's on my phone, one is on an iPad, and they're playing these games, and they're all interactive.

So Lisa walks in, and she's up, everybody, all devices, right here, you know, she just walks in the room and everybody piles them up there. And she says, everybody outside, we're not going to play like we're playing outside on a computer, go play outside. So, I mean, she's basically saying, we're not going to play like we're playing, go out and play. But if you don't make that effort, they'll just lock into that world and they'll just live there.

Yeah. And they won't go play outside. They won't go and experience the thing. So guess what? They're out there playing baseball. Then they were playing basketball. Then they went swimming. You have to make an effort to be able to do that and not just say, well, my kids are quiet because they're on a computer or a phone.

They need to be active. I mean, that's how we're made. Enjoy the earth. Be a part of it. You're right. I couldn't agree with that more. I mean, I think we get a bad record. It's not bad.

It's only bad when you're, you've detached the creative of the universe from this privilege that we're able to do. And that's why we're using it to do what we're doing with the Unashamed podcast. So before we get back to Hebrews, I want to share, so, Dad, your book, your daily fill, which is a devotional book, it's got 100 devotals in here that are coming from some of the books you have written. It did so well when they released it on a short release, just to Walmart only, that now they're releasing it nationally. So I want to mention it to folks, because you can get it at Amazon, Hobby Lobby, Books of Million, Barnes & Noble, Christianbook.com. you may want to check this out and I know this is releasing right before Father's Day so it may be too late

for that but if not it'd be a great Father's Day gift really some good stuff in here if that was put in the hearts and minds of America just that little book right there it's short each topic it's not over a page and a half two pages so it's not like you're trying

just turn from one to the other days go by and everything in there It's positive. It's about four months of devotional, and it comes from the themes of the books you've written from Theft and Jesus Politics. So it's a great gift idea. Just letting you know about that. I try to let you guys know Unashamed Nation because I know it's a, you enjoy that.

So check it out. If you hadn't already gotten that, your daily fill, which I thought's clever, Chase, your daily fill. Yeah. F-I-L-L- or P-H-I-L. No, that's good. The material, he had a good source for the material. He did, which is what we're doing. In the picture, he's right out there on the land.

Yep. And there's a log, and the source of the material is in his right hand. That's exactly right. A hurricane blew that log down. Did it really? It blew it down. How did it cut it? It looks like I saw.

Well, we cut it up using it for firewood. Oh, okay. The wind blew it down. Jay's, have you started cutting your firewood yet? I did. I started yesterday, and, you know, the neighbors all gathered around. You got to remember when you live around. Yuppies.

When you go grab a chainsaw and start... Oh, there, this is must see. They come and gather. I thought, what are they doing? They're just watching. It's exciting. So that was the neighborhood.

Which is my point about technology. We have a chainsaw. And we're one of the trees that blow down the last storm. We took a hit in our neighborhood. But they all gathered up in between my neighbor and I. When you live in Louisiana, especially through hurricane season, chainsaw is a vital thing to have. You talk about technology that you need because there's so many trees around here.

Once they start falling out, you couldn't even leave here if you didn't have to follow. Well, it's so funny that one. It took an hour and a half to, oh, it took three, four hours to cut my way out. But I was just trying to help the energy people. Right. I said at least you can drive down the road. It was just like this, tree after tree after. Well, I cut them off of our road.

That's exactly why I love where we live. Let's take another break. It's so funny that my next door neighbor acquired all the trees that had fallen, which I thought, you know, he just, they just gave them to him. But he bought some of them. So some of my neighbors that I won't mention which ones actually sold him the trees. for firewood. And so I was like,

boy, you got your work cut out for you. He said, well, I thought we could do is you cut them up. And I'll get my boys and they'll have us firewood. So I was like, okay, so he bought the trees. I cut them up. Yeah. And the boys distribute it. It's a pretty good deal.

I'm a bad deal. I think. Yeah, those are good boys. Yeah. So we're back to Hebrews. We're just kind of still setting up the book. Well, you listed. I think we're up to seven things now that we said.

Seven key thoughts. And in the overtime, I only talked about one, the word impossible. Well, we had faith and perfect that I get. I thought you had perfect on there somewhere. No, I didn't have perfect. We need perfect. Yeah, faith, perfect and better with the three I mentioned on the last by. Better.

Yeah. And then you brought up Impossible in the overtime. And I brought up Impossible's cousin, which is this is not a cousin to be taken lightly. This is not a player to be named later like it didn't matter. And just to bring people up to speed where we left off, there's an illustration that's quite clever about Melchazadec in Hebrews 7. I mean, maybe we'll get to that in detail on who he was. But I propose that he was in the Jewish world,

because here's these Jewish Christians who are being tempted to go back. to the old system. Under the old covenant. We had a list. I gave a list of the old covenant versus the new covenant and I can give that again. But I brought up that Hebrew 6,

or is it 7? Yeah, chapter 7. In verse 16, the cousin of Impossible would be, because Jesus was better, there's your word, than Melchizedek because he became a priest, this is 716 of Hebrews,

not on the basis of a regulation as to his ancestry. And if you think about that, it's powerful. Because what is Jesus' ancestry? Well, you can follow in Matthew and Luke, you have one that goes back to God and one that goes back to Abraham, which is, you know, he was the son of man and the son of God. Correct.

But it was not based on a regulation as to his ancestry, but on the basis of the power of an end of him. destructible life. Right. The only time I believe the word indestructible is used in the Bible. But when you think about impossible, I mean, Jesus is better because he's indestructible. Yeah. Let me just think about our Lord and say when somebody, that's why it always kind of irks me when people cower down or they're nervous about having Jesus conversations or they don't want to be or they're ashamed of their faith or they're just.

They're like, well, may I should say something, but I'm not. And I mean, we follow one who is better because he's indestructible. Yep, you got that. And then a better hope, two verses below that, 19, 18, 19, a better hope is introduced by which we draw into God. And just below there, others became priest without an oath, but he became a priest with an oath with God said to him, the Lord has sworn and will not change his mind.

You, Jesus, are a priest forever because of this, and he's back on it again, Jesus has become, this is the third time it's mentioned, the guarantee of a better covenant. Three times, boom, bump, boom. Yeah, and 11 total in the whole book, which you talked about. Well, that's why when he said that we have better promises, which verse was that we read, that was one of, of them. I think it was seven or eight that you mentioned. Yeah, eight six.

Eight six. So when you look at the old covenant versus new covenant, the point he's trying to make, I mean, here's these people trying to go back under the old covenant, because that was their heritage. And that was what the human race was trying to do, Jesus had to do for us. Exactly. And I gave some reasons at the end of the last podcast, which I think, you know, I'll run through them real quick again, because I think they're important. The old covenant, was a shadow and Jesus obviously was the reality and the substance in the new covenant. That's why his promises are better. And you have the verses like, it's not yes and no, because that would be under the old law.

In Jesus, what is it 2nd Corinthians 1? It's always yes. Yeah. I mean, what a statement. It's because his promises are better. The old covenant was temporary. The new covenant was permanent. And I'd venture to say eternal.

because it gives us the thought of having a forever family. The mediator was Moses under the old covenant. The high priest was Aaron. The priests were only Levites. Well, in Christ, the mediator is Christ. The high priest is Christ. And the priests are all who follow Jesus. Everybody.

You don't have to have a certain garb or be from a certain tribe. You can be from anywhere. The old covenant, no matter. how you you dial it up imperfection came out of it man could not keep the law the new covenant is you have perfect because jesus was the perfect sacrifice for it he took he became sin for us the old covenant was abolished and because the new covenant Jesus fulfilled it and i mean it's still like Phil says a lot, these principles were good, and it's not like we don't use them and take the principles out of them that God intended, but you're never going to be...

The law wasn't the problem. We are. Exactly. Yeah. So, but Jesus fulfilled it through love, and the old covenant, you entered it by natural birth, so you didn't really have a choice. You just looked up, you're in. Correct. In the new covenant, you enter by a spiritual birth. You're born again. Mm-hmm. By choice, by the way. Yeah, by choice. And the old covenant was for Jews only, and the new covenant was for all nations.

Yep. Way better. It's better. Way better. Which was the, when Jesus did the Great Commission, you know, right, and it was one of the last things he said before he left the planet, he made that transition. You know, go into the world, baptizing them there, the Father, the Son, the Holy Spirit, teaching them what I've commanded you. the idea as all nations. Like Marx said preach the gospel to every nation.

That's right. In their own language. Well, that was a big deal saying that. Because they're like, well, wait a minute. We're the nation chosen by God. So we don't think that's a big deal. But to them, that would be a good, why are we preaching to every nation?

We're the ones that are in. And I think Dad had made that point in the overtime. Let's take another break. I think you'd made that point in the overtime about we were trying to figure out some of the reasons why the Jewish people, even to this very day in 2022 or so hated by so many people around the world. And I don't know if it's that idea about that, Jay, so they think they're the only ones or what it is. Next time we have Bow's on, though, I'm going to ask him

a question because I thought about this after we had him on last night, because he mentioned that, you know, mostly he's working with people coming out of the Islamic faith. Middle East. You know, in the Middle East. But he mentioned something yesterday that struck me later. I didn't think about it in the moment or I would ask him on air that they accept the Old Testament and they even accept Jesus as a problem. Well, I noticed that when I was there. Yeah. When he said, because I said, well, what, you know, when I got up and spoke, my speech was being translated. Well, yeah, translated into Persia.

Yeah, Farza in Persia. and I'm not sure how they were getting it to these underground churches or whatever. But I was like, well, should I even give the New Testament? And he's like, yes. I mean, just introduced Jesus. He said, but they'll be familiar with the Old Testament. So when he said that, I thought, well, that's strange. Yeah.

So they, I guess they're. Well, my assumption has always been, this is why I want to ask him, because I'm not sure. and he knows these people, so he'll know the answer to the question. I've always assumed it went back to Abraham's line, you know, because you had Isaac and Ishmael, and Ishmael wound up being the father of many of those places now that are in the Middle East. Abraham is the father of not only the Christians, but the Arabs. Correct. So I'm assuming that's why they would embrace the Old Testament.

We have the same father, which is a Mason. But here's my question based on that. is because you mentioned about the people that hate, bless you, bless you, Josh, the people that hate them, I thought the most vitriol on the planet towards the Israeli people. That's a big part of it. Is right there. Yep.

I mean, let's face it, the biggest fear. They chose Muhammad over Jesus. Yeah, I guess so. And maybe it goes back to even Isaac and Ishma. The Jews rejected him, but they, but there's a lot of, a lot of jealousy there involved going away about it. There's a lot of vitriol between the Arab world and the Jews. I mean, it's way stronger than...

But it's not uncommon with... That's the way people identify themselves even today. I guess so. If you're different... But what I'm saying is, Jay, it doesn't it seem strange that you would share... You would share history with certain amount of... When Ismail...

And yet have that much hatred towards each other. I don't know. It just happened. When Ismail was born, the last thing it says about him, is that and he lived in hostility toward all his brothers I talked to a Jewish guy one time and I showed him at and he said I've never seen that before I never seen that one but I think that was God's plan back going back to the Tower of Bible

you know everybody spoke the same language and they were accomplishing great things but the plan was because of our evil and our sin was to bring Jesus on the earth and bring everybody together so when Jesus confused I mean when God or through Jesus I mean can't say one without the other, but when the languages were confused, those differences that then occurred, I mean, we would have never thought that that would have been the point of conflict for the rest of the earth. Because if you're different than me, I'm not going to like you.

There's going to be fringes on all groups of people that don't like the other fringes. And I'm saying that as far as using the word hate. there's just going to be people that hate each other because they're different. And it is interesting that in our short history as a country, I mean, you go about every hundred years and you're realigned with who's a friend and who's an enemy. I mean, we fought a war war with Japan and Germany, and now we're allies. We're on the same side. But what my point is...

Now it's China and Russia. When we look at the difference in the old covenant and the new country, where you only had to be from a certain tribe to be a priest to be all that, and it was only for the Jews. When you look at what God did through Jesus in the new covenant, well, that was the way to bring people together. And don't take for granted that fulfilling the law, which he fulfilled it through love.

And what is the whole problem with being different? Hate, because you have one group. Well, everybody's going to hate them because they're the one group. That's what we've been doing in our societies since the beginning of time. What do we do? One group goes to war against another group, and they get all their stuff, and they make slaves out of them or whatever. They take all their gold, and then they move on to the next group. And even the church, especially in the 16 and 1700s, they were worn on which church was going to be the church of each nation. I mean, tens of thousands of people died in a religious war over that.

We're only going to have one church. Well, I think it ought to be this church. Well, it's going to be this church. Well, let's fight about it. Or the idea that all the crusades where they went in and said, you either die or convert. I mean, that's not exactly what Jesus had in mind, I don't think. That's why, you know, we're seeming to give simplistic things that people say,

oh, well, we know this. But when you look at the history of humanity, they haven't been living by in general, the focus of these letters, which was to bring people together under Jesus. Right. No matter where you're from, what you did, who you think you are, what system you came from.

Jesus is the new way, and it's better. It's better. And it does bring unity. Let's take our last break. So what's your other? So we had better, impossible, we had faith and perfect that we added in from your list. The next one I have,

had and I don't have any stuff on it, but it was just a key word is remember. Dad mentioned that several times. The whole point of the book is to try to get people to remember what the first part was about. What do you mean the first part? I mean the old covenant. So, I mean, it's all a big walk-down memory lame. Well, I do think it's interesting that he used a lot of the rituals like the sacrifices, the regulations, the law as shadows to who Jesus is. But then he gets to Hebrews 11, and it's like he just picked the people out who were famous. I mean, look, when you start talking about Moses to those people in this setting, they're like, well, wait a minute now. If you have some ideas about how we should change some rituals, we're open.

I mean, you can explain Jesus. When you go after the pillars. Don't be talking about Moses. Which you remember the conversation in John 8 when they were, that was. over Abraham. Yeah. Yeah. When they, the same thing.

You know, I mean, Jesus was lighting them. I mean, saying your father's the devil. And, I mean, they were people. They said, our father's Abraham. What are you talking about? Wait a minute. And he drops the mic on him before Abraham was born. Which is, was we went over the difficulty in them transition.

But you have this chapter, the Hall of Fame chapter in Hebrews 11. And I mean, he goes through. There's a long list. And look, part of us, when you look into the details of some of these people on this list, you're like, well, how'd they make it in that list? Yeah. And, you know, I just think that there's something in there about him subliminally for us today. God's grace reaches way beyond what we can even conceive. I mean, no matter where are you from or when we say no matter what you did, I mean, he proves that right here.

Some of these people that made the Hall of Fame made terrible decisions and were utterly sinful. And you would just never think that's your example. I'm sure it made them mad in some capacity. That's why I love that Rahab made that list, which she's also in the genealogy of Christ at Matthew. I mean, this is a woman who was a prostitute, you know, when they ran upon her. You talk about old writings when Ishmael was born. from Abram and Sarah. Remember that his wife couldn't have children, so that's the way he came along. You shall name him Ishmael, for the Lord has heard of your misery. He will be a wild donkey.

The king James said a wild ass of a man. His hand will be against everyone, and everyone's hand against him. Just think about it. Now what's fixed to take place. And he will live in hostility. toward all his brothers. That's Genesis 16, the last part of Genesis 16. You turn over to when he started having children in Genesis 25, it's the final word for all of it. These are the names of the sons of Ishmael, who was a wild ass of a man.

Right down that toward the bottom, and they, Ishmael's children, sons, They lived in hostility toward all their brothers. So Ishmael did it, and so did they. That's why I mentioned, I ask you, where is all this hatred coming from? Well, some of it's coming from right there. Yeah. It says they will live in hostility toward all their brothers, Ishmael and his children.

And those are two great nations. Right. You know, what was, some ites, you know, a couple. Well, there's a lot of heights in there. Yeah. the heights A lot of heights Well you know it's funny

And I mentioned this before One of the greatest grace Things I said something about Rehab a minute ago You know the you remember the story back in When Lott came out But then he winds up Remember he thinks they're the last people on the planet

Because they've suffered Sodom and Gimara were just wiped out And so he winds up getting drunk And having sex with his daughters And they have kids By him Which is kind of a sorted story But those two kids were

Moab and Ammon, which were some of thoseites you were talking about that, Moabites, Ammonites. And God had always said, he told the Hebrews, don't have anything to do with those two nations. And it went back to that original idea of how they were originated in sin. But you know what's interesting, Jay? So Ruth comes out of that, the Moab line, and then Rahab comes out of the Ammon line. And so two of the women that are mentioned in Jesus's genealogy, because they were part of that tree you talked about as the son of man, were from those two nations. And I've always thought that was such a great picture of grace. Because here were people that God has said don't associate with, but ultimately some of their people were wound up in that same physical lineage of Jesus, which shows you that you can always be redeemed.

I mean, there's no place you can't come back from. So, and look, again, did that happen by accident? No. God was trying to show us that. That's why their genealogists. I like it how he tied the knot in the end of Hebrews 11 saying they were all commended for their faith yet. They didn't even receive what was promised. They just welcomed it, you know, as a shadow.

Right. But God had planned something better for us that only together with us would they be made perfect. There again is your focus on Jesus and what he did about. bringing people together. Not only did he bring people from every tribe and from every sinful situation, but he brought people from time, the past, and even in the future, in the present, under one church. I mean, that's just amazing. It's almost more than your mind can. It's hard to wrap around. So one of my other, two words left, or one phrase and one word, is the last one I put on there was eternal,

which you mentioned that earlier. That's a big theme in the book of Hebrews, because everything's about what you just said. It's what's on earth is temporary. The problem with the old covenant was, we mentioned about the law, but it was temporary. It wasn't built for eternity.

That's right. It was built for the here, you know, for a period of time until Jesus came. Also, another word mentioned that's, I guess, a cousin from eternity, is heaven. He mentions heaven a lot.

especially in chapter 11 but even chapter 1 is this picture does it say heaven when he says he the sun let's see he seated at the right hand yeah in heaven verse 3 he sat down at the majesty in heaven but he's gonna he's gonna bring that up a lot right and i think that's the idea as it ties this together the last phrase i had which was kind of a key theme i thought just because it occurs so much the two words, let us, it says there's different contexts. Let us hold fast. Let us draw near. That's several times.

Let us come boldly. I'm talking about the throne. Let us consider one another. Let us throw off sin and things that hinder and entangle. So he uses that phrase a lot as kind of a challenge phrase. These are all action steps. Yeah. Let us do this.

Let us do that. So I thought that was. That's interesting. Yeah. Yeah. Because that was kind of the. seven key thoughts of just, you know, and there are more, like I say. He says in there somewhere it's impossible to keep the law.

It's impossible. Right. What was impossible, Jesus did by one sacrifice. Correct. Himself. Yeah. Well, you know how we know it's impossible, Dad? Because no human being and the history of human beings have ever kept it.

That is correct. Except for Jesus, the son of man. And they keep trying to go to a work system, which it never did work. Nope. But even churches today. It was pointless. You want to get out of here. Let someone else put your faith in Jesus, and he'll do it for you.

Right. But even today, churches today try to go to a work system. They don't do it on purpose. If you asked them that, they said, no. But now, you know, and then they'll come up with some point that you're like, well, that sounds like a work system to me. You know, I mean, we all have our today. This you're right.

It's subtle. People tend to feel better if they do what's right instead of realizing you have to be right all the time. And Jesus is the one who never made a mistake. You've made plenty. They just hard for them to see it. I remember I was talking to a church leader one time, and we were just having a conversation. He said, you know, it would be a good idea. If we just, all the decisions that we make to lead our church here, if we need to write all those down and put them in a binder so that future,

generations won't forgive them. I remember thinking about that. I said, you know, I think we have that. It's called the Bible. Yeah. Let's just, we don't really need an addendum. No. Of our leadership decision. But doesn't that show you how easy it is to gravitate towards these are going to be our things we're going to add too? Oh, I remember when I was in a meeting there of the leaders back when I guess I was considered a leader at the church. And my big grand idea, because there was some, they were trying to hire somebody that could. couldn't decide on who. I said, why don't we just cast lots?

You would have thought. I think the word is, so your answer is that we should gamble? And I thought, no, I think that, I think casting lots was biblical. But then the next thing I know, it caused such an uproar. Yeah. Because it was just so out there that I thought, number one, I need to do something else. and number two we missed the whole point here exactly i was like let's rely on god we at judas's replacement in act chapter one was chosen by the casting of lots so i'd say it's pretty well that's where

i was getting from but you know try try to try to push that through it your next uh what they call it the next board meeting leave it to jace to cause trouble so i'll close on this jays we were right indestructible the only place that appears in the bible is hebrew 716 i think if you say that that, you just need to say it once. Yeah. Jesus is indestructible. That's just, that, that's a, that's a profound drop mic moment. So before, we'll start the next podcast into our actual study of the text.

In the overtime, I'll give you my outline that I have for the study and we'll parse that a little bit, see if you guys like it. So the next time somebody persecutes you for following Jesus, you need to say, he's indestructible. I lie and so are we. Thanks for listening to the Unashamed podcast. Help us out by rating us on iTunes. And don't miss an episode by subscribing on YouTube and be sure to click that little bell

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