Unashamed with the Robertson Family - Ep 499 | Phil’s Days Are Numbered, but So Are Yours & How Women Change Your Dreams

Episode Date: June 20, 2022

Zach Dasher discusses Psalm 90 and how we should desire God to teach us to number our days. Phil and Zach discuss the dreams of a young man and how they change over time if you find yourself married to a woman. Zach highlights how men were always frightened by the appearance of angels in the Bible, and Al mentions the possibility that people have their own guardian angels. And Phil warns against the worship of created things, rather than the creator himself. Get "Your Daily Phil: 100 Days of Truth and Freedom to Heal America's Soul" by Phil Robertson, available now: https://www.amazon.com/dp/1400235936 Watch the Unashamed overtime show, only on BlazeTV: https://BlazeTV.com/Unashamed - Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

I am unashamed. What about you? So one of our listeners sent this picture. Wow. I'll hold it up for you all to see. You see that down? Big Al and Kenneth Greenfield. I looked like a Jason. So the title of the email was, look at how much Phil looks like Jays.

or I guess Jay's let's feel. Yeah. Because it looks a lot like him. Was this, was this before or post? This was before. Pre-conversion. That was pre-conversion.

But not long before. I mean, that was probably pretty close right there because I would guess you were by then. Pretty close. 27 or so. Three years. So I also sent a picture, yeah, so you can take a look at that. So I thought it was interesting because that's what it said. And it does look a lot like Jace.

And there's a couple other pictures mom has that where Jace looks like to Adela. lot. But, and we, and I think everybody has a different points of their life. But what I thought was interesting was that, uh, Zach's, you know, they, just a rap production on the movie, the blind where this, a lot of this era of dad's life is in the movie. Yeah. And a, and Big Al is a, is a, is a, is a, is a, is a, is a, he's a, he's got that same mustache. Now he's, he's, he's, uh, our big Al was a little thinner, but, uh, but, but he's got that same mustache. Is that a Ford truck in the back, Phil? Yeah, Ford Bronco, probably. Ford we got, I think we had a 72,

Ford, not Bronco, but F-150. Oh, yeah, it's the truck. Well, it's funny as we get talking about, like, the more stories that I'm here, like, you know, and I know we had all the interviews before we did the movie, but, man, every time Phil tells the stories, I'm, now, my reference point in the images in my mind that are popping up are what we filmed, and I think we've,

I mean, we had a little bit of creative liberty, but I mean, this thing is pretty, it's pretty accurate. Pretty much as it went down. I mean, almost, some of it's like word for word. You're going to be, I mean, like, as Phil was telling the stories this morning and during the interview, I was just sitting there thinking like that. We've got literally that word for word. So the Big Al who was converted later, which is not in the film, because that was. No, it'll be like in the, you know, we'll share that, obviously, because when you're going to see,

you're going to develop an attachment. this character. And so we want people to know, you know, what happened in the end. Because he's very likable in the film. So we're likable. We're filming a lot of, I guess, what would you come, behind the scenes, stuff and interviews and stuff. In fact, tonight we're going to get together and just as a family and, you know,

pray over the whole project and worship, you know, about it. Yeah, so we're filming. Everybody's going to meet tonight over at Willie and Corey's, and we're going to have dinner, which is going to be good, although I'm trying to eat right. I'm going to show up at the wrong. I saw a big pile of meat. So Willie commissioned Jay, who's now kind of like that's the family, you know, meat man. And he could go over and go through his freezers and get whatever he wanted to cook for tonight.

And so I saw Wagyu brisket. I saw, you know, Wagyu tenderloins. I mean, it was, it's going to be a meat fest tonight. It's going to be a feed. So some of the kids are going to lead worship. Mia and Layla and Max, which, by the way, they're so talented. Yeah, Layla, we'll talk about this later.

She just got signed on with Sadie. Sadie's going to be releasing a worship initiative through her ministry called Live Original. And Layla's going to be one of the lead vocalists on their worship album. I didn't know that. So she's in town recording. Sadie's on fire.

So I'm like, you know what? And I told Layla, I said, If you can have a time to spend with just her speaking into you and mentor you, like, that alone's worth it. She's a godly, godly woman. Well, you know. Women prophesying, Sadie, we're raised quite in the crew here. Well, you know, it's really interesting because people ask me this all the time, you know, it's a great question. They say, what was your, what was, I mean, was the family, like, nervous about, like, going national with your family and having cameras and all this?

And I was like, well, yeah. and mainly because other than my kids who were already grown, but all my brother's kids, they were teenagers and under. And so, of course we were nervous about it. I mean, we're watching other families.

I mean, albeit probably not godly families, I don't know, I don't judge them, but, you know, fly apart because of being famous, because they make money,

they get fame, whatever, or get to drugs or just lives ruined, you know, because of this. So that was our fear and our prayer. was that God would keep our, especially our young family, young kids intact, you know, through the process of becoming well-known.

And I have to say, the prayers worked because when I, like you said, when I look at the next generation of Robertsons and dashers and all of our family, I mean, you talk about talented, love the Lord, gifted to do different things and using their gifts, you know, to impact other people. So, I mean, praise God. It wasn't us. It was him that did it. but we have been extremely blessed.

I feel like dad, now it's your grandchildren and great-grandchildren and to watch the adults they're turning into. It's incredible. And I've told the story before. I told it yesterday in my sermon again, that, you know, one of the greatest moments for me personally

was to have my dad baptized my granddaughter, you know, in our pool. And I just, because I just, we were all there. were singing and standing around the hot tub and I just thought, man, this is what it's all about. This is four generations now. Circle moment. Of faith, yeah.

And she won an award at her school for being most Christ-like. Yeah. Which is incredible. And, you know, and she's had some struggles a little bit, you know, in her high school years and teen years. But she's just, I mean, her heart is, she loves the Lord and it's evident. And now she's dating little Joey, you know. Jersey Joe. son, which has been great because it's a family that moved here from New Jersey.

They just, you know, they watched the podcast and listened. They watched, then they went back and watched that. They never watched it. And they thought, you know what, I don't like living in New Jersey. This blue state, they're making us, you know, all this tyranny. Get out of here. They said, let's go to Louisiana. So they came in through the podcast first, and then they found out about that.

That's right. They had never, and so watched it. And by the way, that's a phenomenon, Zach. I'm talking to more and more people in my travels. They knew the podcast was first. Then they went back and watched the series. You know they're smart because Jersey Joe's boy spotted when these little redneck girls happened to be in our family's truck. And he said, man, that kind of women are hard fine.

That's right. Well, he had never dated that much is what Joe told me. But it was really interesting because he had a, which we were laughing about this, I was talking to Joe yesterday. And he said, you know, because he wanted to be, his original thing was he wanted to be a Navy SEAL. You know, he's very tribb and young man. And he's into physical fitness and all that. So he was going to be a Navy SEAL. And I said, whew, boy, just, I mean, God bless you.

Because if you make that, these are the toughest people on the planet as the Navy SEAL. Those guys are a different breed. They are. But look, now, after a few months of Dayton Carly, you know, there's a lot of talk about, well, you know, deputy sheriff. So all of a sudden, it's like, he's kind of chastened. Well, women will do that. They'll change your, they'll change your perspective in your dreams. But anyway, I just thought that was interesting, that picture, thinking about, you know, in this movie, about going back.

Because I tell a story. Dad said one time when we were speaking somewhere, someone said, well, Phil, could you, because we were speaking at multiple services. And they were wanting him to go a little more personal about his backstory, and which dad doesn't do a lot. And so dad looked over at me, and he said, Al tells my story way better than I do. And it really is true. I used to, when dad and I used to speak out a lot, I would intro and sort of tell the story, and then dad would come in and just tell the story of Jesus.

And so it was a good one-two punch. I felt like that all those years that we were speaking to all those audiences. And I still do it because now I tell the story about the family. And so, but I'm most excited about this movie's act, for one thing is when you first approached us with the idea, is that I told dad this. I said,

Dad, do you realize how many people in the history of humanity, we're talking all the way back, as long as there's been people, have ever had a movie made about part of their life? I mean, it's a, it's a select small group of people in the history of human beings that have ever had either an interesting, a nefarious, whatever life that somebody would want to make a movie about it that other people might watch. And so I said, that's, that's something right there. And then the other thing is, long after we're gone, this movie still be around. There'll be different ways they can download it and watch it, but people will be aware of what God did in your life for, you know, however long until the Lord comes.

They may label that as misinformation. They might. You're right. They may try to block it out. That's why I think that I'm so excited about the film is that it's going to be, when we did all the end, interviews and I keep hearing like the same words pop up about the film it's it's gritty raw my favorite one is honest it's honest and um and I think when you when people see this I because Phil doesn't talk me he he I mean he preaches the gospel everywhere he goes

he didn't get into the you know the nuts and bolts of the story but you know what's the verse in revelation that they were saved by the by the the the blood of the lamb and Revelation 12. Yeah. And the power and the power of their testimony. Yep. And I think about that. I think about what this film is, the blind, it is a, it is, it is, it is, it is fill and

K's testimony. Yep. It's because it's not just about Phil either. It's about, it's about, it's about K as well. Right. I mean, if anything, it's as much her story as his. and you see when people come to watch this film, and I would tell you this,

if you have a spouse, particularly if you're one of our female listeners or maybe a son or if you have a young male in your life that you think he's never going to step foot inside of a church building, and he's not in a good spot. That's the guy, you trick them. That's what she does, you set them up and you trick them

and when this film comes out in 10 months or whenever it comes out, you take them to this movie because what you're going to find is you're going to you there anyone who watches this that says i've gone too far there's no hope for me they're going to they're going to leave this film inspired yeah and the way that we filmed it i think was brilliant and it wasn't really my idea um it was the director and at first i was kind of against it it it's a lot of flashbacks yeah um but the film's so heavy that it actually works so well because there's a lot of humor like with with the teenage years and it's and you see and you see a different version of Phil than the dark side of Phil when he was in his worst. And I like that because it continues to tie us back

to the humanity that, you know, Phil wasn't, he was a bad guy for, for a period. But I mean, when he's a young guy, I mean, you weren't doing it all that. It's the same style of film that Gibson used in the passion, you remember. Yeah. Because it was, the passion itself of Jesus

was so heavy and burdensome, even though you know the story so well because we've studied our whole lives, but to watch it the way, he filmed it, that he would do those flashbacks to when he was younger and when he was with his mom and just to give you a minute to breathe. Yeah. You know, so I, I've always thought he was brilliant for filming that movie that way because when you were watching it, you needed that. You got to have that. It's not as intense as the passion of class. Right, right, right. Which is intent. But it is,

it is raw. It's real, but it's also full of hope. I showed a trailer to a group in San Diego a few days ago. of course, I'm telling the story. I'm doing the presentation, and there's a voiceover in the trailer of the character that plays my mom. And she's ministering the Kay in the film. And I don't know why, because I've seen the trailer like six times. Well, I'm about to go up there and talk, and then I start crying. I'm like, uh-oh, this could be good or bad, you know, but I start crying just thinking

about, not just that I miss her, but just how I was thinking about, like her. her purity and her love for God and not just that like really she had a prophetic word about you and um as you said today she said if she told old mill smith if you if you can convert my brother if you bring him to jesus then he will bring thousands to jesus and that's exactly what's happened and that's what happens so i get up there and i and i basically tell that story and then and i look out of course before i even said it i look up and i'm not the only one crying i mean everybody's crying in the whole rain we're all crying um there's many people are crying and then when we were filming this one particular scene in the movie um i'll i'll not to tell you what it was because i don't

want to i want it's it's such a powerful scene but um there's a character there's a person on a movie set that we called scripty and her role in the it was she sits there and she watches every single take and she has an iPad where she's notes of every any discrepancy up there's a hair over here, or the last cut it was over here. Her job is to just to look at the details. That's all she does. I'm just here to look at details, make notes. She's zoned in.

She's in a chair, you know, 16 hours a day looking at the screen. I mean, it's the worst job. I couldn't do it. That just makes me cringe thinking about it. Let's take a break. Yeah, so Scrippy, she's, she's sitting, they call her Scrip, her name's Kristen, so she's doing her job. I'm sitting in the chair behind her, and I'm watching this one scene unfold.

well, I mean, there were several times in the filming that I cried. Just, just like, so I'm, there's just one very... I'm going to be a basket case watching this moment. Oh, it's going to be... I can already tell. I mean, I was there, by the way. I mean, I was really there when it all happened. So I told the director, he said, man, I appreciate you guys, you know, letting us tell your story.

And I said, well, it was a lot harder to live it is to film a movie about it. The one that made me, this particular scene, it's actually you're in it. So I won't tell you anything else about it. But it's your character as a young child. And, man, I start crying and I'm tearing up. And I'm kind of embarrassed a little bit. So I'm wiped my tears up. And I look down.

I'm thinking, oh, I hope nobody sees me. Well, I look at Scrippy. Oh, Scrippy's just like, I mean, just sobbing. I look up. So even in her moment of monotonous. Monotonous, whatever, it touched her. It touched her. And then I look around the room, and a lot of them were crying.

And it was a moment of hope, which is, which is, that's the thing. That's what you want. I think what people are going to see, and the one word that you're going to lead this movie with is hope. That's it. Yeah. That's good. That's inspiring. Yeah.

I mean, that's going to be good. That's what's inspirational. Well, it was, so it's funny as I think you said that because yesterday I was, I knew I was going to talk a little bit about the film in my sermon. And so as I was sitting there, and just always when we're worshiping together, I kind of fade in and out of. of participating and then just kind of letting it shower over me. Because, you know, when you preach the Word of God, I mean, you're his spokesman. I mean, I've always taken that very seriously because, you know, I mean, I'm speaking on behalf of the Almighty God.

And so I want the Holy Spirit to be fully engaged in it not be me. But as I was sitting there yesterday, Dad, I was there, you know, at our church, White's Free Road. And I knew I was going to be talking about that film. And, I mean, I was just overcome with emotion, even before I got up, just thinking about that that was, this church is the one that embraced us, you know. And so when I talked about it, I told the church, I was like, and you're in it. I said, you're in this film because you were there, you know, this church was there.

And so there's a, there's a, I know there's a church service scene. And I was like, you guys were there the whole time. And then I mentioned some names of people, because I told the story, dad, about, which we've told on the podcast before about, because I talked about the resurrection, about you basically hiding out down here, away from your influence. for a few months because you're trying to like it's about a year yeah trying to be strengthened and the first time somebody shows up and's like hey let's let's take a ride down the road you know a year later and dad's like uh you're you're looking you're looking for the wrong feel he died

the one you're looking at here is new which is a shocking which is a shocking line they probably were like oh i didn't know what happened but in my story i pulled a jace i was like and down the road they win because that guy is a crack pot now it scared them well that would scare anybody but i mean it's it's kind of a weird thing to say it's true true it's brilliant how you put it but it's and yeah i like to say so my point was because i was i was using the phrase crack pot which was the jars of clay and so i kind of took that word and ran this narrative and so that's why i was said about that i said a lot of people from his former life thought he was a kook now he's just some religious nut. I don't know what's happened to feel. But then through the years, you were able to go back,

including with Big Al and a lot of others, and shared Jesus with him. And so all of a sudden, that that crack pot was really just a cracked pot because you were a jar of clay that God was shining his light through you. After about 15 years, all my old ex-running buddies all came together saying, basically, he gone. That's right. He's out. He's out. He's out. reachable. Right. Which is what you needed. One of them stepped out. Yeah. Received the gospel. Once he saw what it was all about.

Death came here. The doctors, when it came down to death, the same ones who had deserted me, and I had deserted them, one of them said, what did that? He finally said, what's the story? Well, I told him the story driving. He was driving down. on that old bronco of his and i told him the story he said i said be you're an atheist what you think i said you could go at any minute and he said that's what i just now come into grips with he said i could die at any time and you risen during my heart so i baptize him two months later he dropped dead yep and you spoke at his funeral and i was standing there when he's in the

And I'm speaking to the town and brought my reputation with me as rough as it was. And all of them are sitting there. I wish we'd had that on film. They asked me to speak. And I said, well, I don't know about that. I don't even have a suit. And most people at funerals have a suit. I said, but I don't own one.

They said, don't worry about it. Just do it. You were still a little fearful about preachers and all that even back in those days because you were barely new. Yeah. I spoke to the whole town about when Al died. in their mind, but my words to them was, I said, see that casket right there, old big owls in there? I said, I'll see him again.

Yep. That's how I ended it. They all cried. He was a very famous person in that area because he was a very successful baseball coach. He won a bunch of state championships. So the whole town would have been an atheist his entire life. Yeah, because he was a biology guy. Until two months before his death, he said, okay.

So he cut it, that's cutting it thin. You know what he was? Remember that parable of Jesus and the workers? He was the guy that came in the last hour. That's it. But he still got the same thing we all get. I shall see him again. But you know, Zach, you mentioned that a minute ago, but it's really interesting since dad brought that up, that one thing you don't find an atheism is hope.

There is no hope. Not there. There's no hope for that. No. You just got the end of the line and the hole in the ground. There's no hope. And it's funny because I was going to the airport yesterday. And I heard this guy say he was on the phone and he was I mean he was so mad and you know

You know when you're in the airport you always hear like men having and women having business conversations on their Bluetooths and and at first you think they're talking to you then you turn around in a lot Oh wait they got a piece in and because I heard the guy just say it just doesn't make any sense. I mean that's it makes no sense and and he's sitting there ranting about whatever was going on like he didn't understand it and it made no sense and and and I was thinking you know it's interesting that as humans, the two things that we look for in life are, we want things to make sense. I mean, no matter what setting you're in, you know, if someone disagrees with you or does something, bonehead move, what do you say? This doesn't make any sense to me.

Right. Because we're geared to find meaning and make meaning out of the world. Yep. And then the other thing is, is we want significance and value, you know, we want to matter. Even on the matter side, even if you matter for something bad. Yeah. It's still like, it's, I mean, you think,

Why do these people shoot up these schools? Why do these masks? Why would someone do that? You want to be remembered, even in infamy. Even if it's something horrible, they're like, I just, I want something in me, I have to matter. And there has to, which relates to meaning. Yeah. There has to be a meaning to all this.

Right, right, right. And I'm sitting there thinking about that. I'm thinking, you know, one of the thing, another thing, the atheism, it does not give you, it doesn't give you a context for meaning. Yeah. And it just doesn't. And it doesn't give you a context for the value of human life. It doesn't give you, like we go on pretending that life matters, but if you're an honest atheist, there is no, there is, I mean,

Richard Dawkins is right when he says that, that the sole purpose for our existence is to propagate one's DNA. Ironically, Richard Dawkins does not live his life with that assumption. Yeah. Because he cries foul when someone discriminates, discriminates against people or whatever. And, and, you know, so he is, I mean, he does have a moral compass. But if there's no God, there is no, there is no morality, there's no meaning, there's no

anything. I think when you got, in this story, Big Al, one thing I love about that story is that, that you just told is that when you get, when you get to the end of your life, a lot, the, you think, man, like when you're faced with your own mortality, it does force you to start asking different questions. Yep. I think about this. I wanted to read this in Psalms 90.

By the way, he wasn't an old man 12, 15 years after 12, 15 years after I was converted. So he would have been 40s. Yeah. Early 40s. Yeah. He was a big man. He had a heart. He was young.

Yeah. So he faced his own mortality. And then he's like, okay, there's got to be more, which I would agree there is more. But I've been reading this Psalm to myself every day for the last week. And I want to read the second half of it, Psalms 90. Hang on, before we do that, let's take another break. This is in Psalms 90, the second half, first 12. The first part of this is just asking for the Lord to satisfy us before the sun comes up

and before we, our hearts forget that God is good, just satisfy us, Lord. Then he says this in verse 12. So teach us to number our days. Teach us to number our days. I think he's saying you need to remember that you're finding. What was that verse? Psalms 90 verse 12. You need to remember that...

The days are numbered. They are numbered. Phil, if I got in Phil's truck, last time I was here, the first thing out of your mouth, Phil. But most people think it's morbid. I love it. He goes, no context, by the way. Phil just goes, well, that was the fastest 74 years I've ever, or 76 years I've ever experienced. That's like, give me more content.

But what you were doing, and you do this a lot, it's like, it's a liturgy. You're just numbering your days. And here's why, that we may present to you to God a heart of wisdom. Yep. The way you're going to get the, the fear. Is this, so? That's a good question. God's eternity of man.

I don't know. That is a good. Go ahead and make it point out. It's Psalms 90. We'll look that up. But the fear of the Lord, that's the message of the Psalms is the beginning of wisdom. Yeah, this is the prayer of Moses. Prayer of Moses.

I remember this now. Okay. Do return, O Lord, because it pushes us into a longing for God, right, when you realize how quick this is moving by. So do return, O Lord, how long will it be? And be sorry for your servants. O, satisfy us in the morning with your loving kindness, that we may sing for joy and be glad all of our days.

Make us glad according to the days that you have afflicted us. After the years we have seen evil, and we've seen some evil, let your work appear before your servants. We want to see God's kingdom here, right? And your majesty to their children, let the favor of the Lord, our God be upon us and confirm for us the work of our hands. We want our work to be meaningful. Yes, confirm the work of our hands. So I think that that's kind of the thrust of this film is like you see this thing happening, but it's like there's meaning, there's context, and what we're doing here, it does matter. Yeah. I remember, I told yesterday, Dad, so when I told that story about the guys that came and then left,

I said that you had started to surround yourself with the new set of friends, with now brothers. So I mentioned a few of them, and most of all of them have, you know, gone to the other side to wait on us. Corbett Gilbert, you know, and big boy Jennings. And I thought about Dole, he got, had a brain tumor. And he's probably been in his 60s, maybe, when he got it. And so it began to affect him because it was tapping into parts of his brains. So he'd be like super emotional. He couldn't hardly keep from crying.

But I remember when I went and visited him in the hospital, just show you the difference about when a believer gets to that point because he knew he was dying. And he kept quoting this song, that certain number of days. And he had written out this whole thing a certain number of days. And he was, he kept saying, you know, I mean, of course I would love to spend more time because, you know, wife, my kids, and all that. He said, but God gave me a certain number of days. And I served him and I loved him. And so how could I say now at the end that this is not exactly what God wanted for me? And I just thought, man, for a guy that's, you know, dying with a brain tumor, I mean, that's a pretty good take on being a son of the Almighty. He watched this film,

and he got my granny and Paul, your parents, they're gone. Yep. My mom, one of the characters. She's gone. They're gone from here. Yeah. You got Big Al, no longer with us. You got Bill Smith, no longer with us. Judy. Judy, no longer with us.

There's a pattern here. Yeah, there's a pattern. But I think that I'm pushing back in a weird way when I could, and I think this is the kingdom life and the spirit living in us that teaches us that for me, when I count my days and I consider my mortality, I mean, yeah, it stings a little bit, but it also testifies that there has got to be more. It's got to where now every time I wake up in the morning, I'm like, whoa, I'm shocked that I'm still here.

With the movie coming and everybody else is passed on, but me and they're going to do a story. I said, I'm next. Well, you know, there were seven. Oh, get in line. There were seven siblings. I have said, the older I get, And the more I realize how temporary life is, James, you know, said it's just like a little mist.

Comes up gone. I'm looking at that. I'm like, man. And to actually see a movie about yourself when you were a boy, it's weird. Yeah. I mean, right, because it's stretched out over such a long time. It all happened so fast. Yeah.

And I thought about Bill Smith, who's obviously there's an actor that plays him in the movie. And you told me you spent a lot of time with him because you really wanted that to be right. Because, I mean, Bill, I mean, your mom getting Bill to then ultimately have the opportunity to share Jesus with dad was such a pivotal point, not just in the story, but obviously all of our lives. Oh, yeah. And the fact that he would later be our mentor. And, you know, we just, we were able to sit at his feet for many years and learn. And also, you know, I worked alongside him for 22 years. So, I mean, that's the kind of stuff that excites me.

You probably went on your computer and when we got into Hebrews and probably printed off Bill Smith's Hebrew notes. When we started Hebrews, I was like, man, I got to find that notebook. That's right. Because Bill taught us the book of Hebrew. Yeah, yeah. I have a lot of his stuff. He allowed me to have access to all of his notes and stuff once he was gone. And I really appreciate that.

I mean, because I do. I mean, he taught me. and the notes, you're right, the notes we're doing here. I taught a Sunday morning 25 years ago. So, I mean, that's how long back we go with this study. But, yeah, I'm excited about it, Zach. And look, Unashamed Nation, I mean, you guys are going to help us make this thing happen or not in terms of, you know, supporting it and watching it.

So I really, you know, word of mouth is what has made this podcast so great. And when I was going around Kansas, then I was in New York, then I was in D.C. last week. And I just kept meeting person after person, a lot of young people, but also some older couples and we love your pocket. We're listening to the pie. I never miss a pocket. I mean, just over and over and over.

So I know our nation is growing because of you guys, not only supporting it, but then you're telling other people. And that's really how you make something successful. So we will encourage you to do that, especially when we get closer to piece in the film. I mean, you guys will be the one. So I want to mention one of the thing before we get back to Hebrews, because we talked about last time the idea of prophecy in those first four verses and this idea about who Jesus is. But I want to bounce this off before we get to the text. This was something.

I told you I had this thing yesterday in my sermon about cracked pots. You know, that was my takeoff. So I had three people that in their time were labeled as crack pots. but it turns out they were brilliant and just ahead of their time, which happens a lot, right? So Galileo was one of them. He said the world didn't revolve around Earth as everybody thought it was, but actually it revolved around the sun.

But in his day, they thought he was a kook, and he was even kicked out of the church. Yeah, they called him a heretic. He was a heretic, which we talked about that earlier. Be careful about the heretic. And he was right on target. Let's take a break. The other one I mentioned, and then I said,

said, so we're a crackpot. So what we say now is that life doesn't revolve around us, but it revolves around the sun, S-O-N. And therefore, people say what? You're a kook, right? You're crazy. We're ahead of our time. So George's LeMay, he was the one, he was like a, some kind of bishop or something. I forgot with his background. But he, he's the one that expanded on Einstein's theory and said that the universe is expanding, which meant, of course, there had to be a singularity beginning. And so, again, in his day, everybody says, Ku, crackpot, no way.

But it turns out he was exactly right. And so what has been called the Big Bang, we say, God created the heavens on the earth. He was the bang. The reason why they call it a Big Bang is because they're trying to avoid that the universe had a beginning. Because what's happened here is, if you know Stephen Hawkins is,

who wrote brief, brief history of time. So he writes his book, and he's basically making the case for how Einstein's, and this guy you just mentioned, along with, you know, Edmund Hubble, who had the Hubble telescope. Yep. So that was the big move, right? Yeah. So when this telescope comes out, they're looking at the planets, and they notice that there's a,

every time he observes the planets, they become increasingly more red. Well, if you know anything about light waves, if a lot of, light wave, if it's coming, if a light's coming towards you, like the closer a light is, it gets, what color? It gets brighter. It gets whiter. As it moves away from you, you think about like tail lights or if you see a light that's way off, it kind of has like a reddish glow to it.

Because the further, what's happening is the light wave is actually being like, it's, it's not as sharp. The frequency is not as sharp. Right. It's like, it's more like, it's more bent. It's longer, longer waves instead of shorter. Shorter waves equals brighter light, longer waves equal redder. And so they're looking at this and they're like, he's so, wait a second.

It looks like that the universe is actually, these planets are moving away from us. Expanding. It's expanding. And it's, oh, no big deal, right? Oh, it's a huge deal. Because if it's expanding, then what that means is if you go back in time, then it's shrinking. If we could hit rewind on the VCR of the recorder of the universe. then it's actually shrinking.

And they've shown this mathematically that it shrinks to a point of infinite density to where nothing exists. Yep. And then also, so what Stephen Hawkin does, he's put this in his book, he gives this whole case for it. And I think I know what pages is on, which is crazy. I think it's on page 59. But he says, he said, he called it the standard model of physics. He said, if the standard model of physics is correct, forget how he actually says it. but it's something like this, he says it smacks of divine intervention. He said, in other words, there must be a God. And he said, he's like, he was an atheist, right?

He died an atheist. And he said, therefore, this is the line you've got to keep in mind. He said, therefore, the goal of modern physics is to disprove what we've already proven because we know God can't exist. Right. I mean, that's something. But you think about the universe itself, had a beginning. And not only does it have a beginning, the standard model of physics, what it tells us

is it began to exist out of nothing, X. Nahilo, out of nothing. So it's hard for us to imagine nothing, but nothing exists, nothing, not even like empty space, like nothing exists. And then in a moment, everything exists. And they're like, I've never heard anything like that. Well, you go to Genesis chapter one, it says, in the beginning was the, it was, it says, no, Genesis chapter. God created the heaven and the earth. Yeah. So the word create there is, come to. from a Hebrew word, the Hebrew word is Bachar, which you set kind of the back of your thread, it's B-A-R-A.

And so what is that word? That word in Hebrew, it's very, it's not used much in scripture, but it means create, not just create, because I can create this table, but this table is made out of wood. The word in Hebrew in Genesis 1, the word for create means to create out of nothing. It's what he's saying there is, there was nothing, and then God made something. God creates out of nothing. So in 19, I think 56, the Catholic Church, and this is another thing. You have to have something or you don't get something.

Exactly. You, you, you, so nothing can't. There was nothing, how does nothing explode and all of a sudden you see all this matter? You say, had to be something before that. So we're, so what we're being told is, is that we're idiots because we believe, believe that something came from something instead of something came from nothing. That's right. I said, no, you're you idiots. You don't understand that something comes from nothing. We're like,

that doesn't make any sense. And they're like, oh, you're just not smart enough. No, no, no, it's, it's an, it's an impossibility, right? So it's like the, the, thing can't explode. It's the Romans one. It's God, the creation is, God has revealed himself through creation. These are things that you can take an astro physicist like, like, uh, Like our, like, Ross, he, Ross, I was thinking, the one I was just talking about. Oh, Hawking. Halkin. Or you can take some redneck down here on the river, and we're all going to come to the same

conclusion. If this thing just happened out of nothing, it smacks up divine intervention. Yeah. Anybody. You don't have to have any intelligence to understand that something must come from something. And what the biblical account is is that something comes from someone. Well, and what I love about Hawking was, it leads. least in his belief system.

And let's face it, atheism is its own belief system. It's its own religion, really. It's like some of this stuff on the left now. It becomes a religion. And he's saying my belief system won't allow me to embrace a God. But everything I know as a natural physicist seems to point that there's something. Yeah. And we're talking about kind of the bigness of it all, you know, looking at the expanding universe.

But even when you shrink it down and you say, let's look at the finite information. and the, not finite, the minute information, that the small, the smallness of what's inside your cells, your DNAs. What all's happening in there. And you see the information in there. It's like, well, I heard this guy speak this week, Dr. Rice, and he said, you know, you walk on the beach and you see your name written on the beach in the sand. You're not going to say, look what the waves did.

Wow. You're going to say, somebody wrote that. Why? Because there's information there. That's right. And so when there's information, even the big and the small gods in it all, and we say, well, what's that? What's this got to do with Hebrews?

Because I was just asking myself that question. I looked down and said, I remember this verse right here. Actually, it has a lot to do with. It has a lot to do with Hebrews, isn't it? You know, the first thing out of the Hebrew writer's mouth was that, you know, in these last days, he's spoken to us by his son, that Jesus. So Jesus has put into play.

Then he started talking about the angelic beings. So before you read, the angelic beings go back to the birth of Jesus Hang on before you read that Let's take our last break All right There were shepherds living out in the field

This is just prior to the birth of Jesus Keeping watch over their flocks at night Enter the angels Watch his An angel of the Lord appeared to him Because Jesus was made a little lower than the angels. Watch. And the glory of the Lord shone around them.

They were terrified. It scared the daylights out of them. But the angel said to them, do not be afraid. I bring you good news of joy, of great joy, that there will be for all the people. Today in the town of David, a savior has been born to you.

Now, these are angels giving the information of what's going down. He is Christ the Lord, the Messiah. This will be a sign to you. You will find a baby wrapped in clothes and lying in a manger. Suddenly, because you're just fixing to read about the difference between Jesus and the angelic beings. suddenly, and the atheists of the world would scoff at what I'm reading here, but I read it and say, huh, suddenly a great company of the heavenly host appeared with the angel. There's a lot of beings running around out there that we, you can't see them.

He's going to get over, as you go through Hebrews, and said some of them are, are just for you to help you out. They're there all the time. It's a bunch of them. A heavenly host appeared with the angel, praising God, and saying, glory to God in the highest. This is Hebrews 1.

And on earth, peace to men, on whom his favor rests. When the angels had left them and gone into heaven, the shepherd said to one another, let's go to Bethlehem and see this thing that has happened which the Lord has told us about. I mean, you just put that, when it happened, when you read the book of Hebrews, you say, the angels were there, but Jesus wasn't, and Jesus is bigger than the angels will ever be.

So the comparison that he met his birth, a mighty throng of these beings, which is kind of scary to think about. scared the daylights out of them, that's for sure. Well, every encounter was always like that. It's not like kind of how it's imagined now in modern times. I think we kind of overlooked the fact of what went down there, but you've got the cosmos full of these angelic beings, and they are peering by the no telling how many thousands of them,

singing praises to God. and it was all about Jesus. It was a big thing. Well, an observation I made. God becoming flesh. It was a big one. Well, right. And I made an observation just from looking through the scriptures.

Not only was at his birth, you remember when he was tempted in the desert? Yeah. Who came to him to minister to him after he went through that with Satan, an angel? Then when he was getting ready to be crucified, he was in the garden, he was said. Angels came to minister to it. You got a pecking order that. that's unfolding. He brews 114, it doesn't take him long.

By the way, he talked about the cosmos and what's going to happen to it. God created these. He said, what's going to happen? It's going to wear out and be gone in a roar. Gone. Peter talked about it. But here, these people running around now said they're going to save the planet, not hardly.

They better get their eyes on Jesus. So they can be saved. The planet is fixing to go. It's not going to be up. And all the, in the middle of all that, are not all angels, all of them, ministering spirits sent to serve those who will inherit salvation? They're there on our behalf. That's exactly right.

Some of the things happen weird, you know, you don't know what's going on. Let me read this. I don't think we, we, we, we, uh. I want to read this whole section, Dad, and then we'll, because we're running out of time and we can talk about more in the overtime. So it starts in verse four. Remember, we set the whole thing that Christ is superior over prophecy, and then it gets to verse four.

says, so he became as much superior to the angels as the name he has inherited is superior to theirs. So even now over the angels. Yep. For to which of the angels did God ever say, and now he's going to have all these quotes are Old Testament prophecies. You are my son. Today I become your father. That's one from Psalm.

Or again, I will be his father and he will be my son. And again, verse 6, when God brings his first born into the world, God in flesh, He says, let all God's angels worship him. That's my point. Which is what you just read. In speaking of the angels, he says he makes his angels wins, his servants' flames of fire. Which you would think you need to bow down to them because of that, but you got a bigger one on the premises than them. Exactly.

But about the sun, he says, your throne, O God, will last forever and ever, and righteousness will be the scepter of your kingdom. You have loved righteousness and hated wickedness. Therefore, God, your God, has set you above your companions by anointing you with the oil of joy. That's another Psalm quote. So, Jack, you're talking about this. This is all about Jesus. He also says, verse 10, in the beginning, O Lord, you laid the foundations of the earth, and the heavens are the work of your hands. They will perish, but you remain.

They will all wear out like garment. You will roll them up like a robe, and like a garment they will be changed. but you remain the same and your years will never end. By the way, that was the Psalm 102. That was written thousands of years ago. Yeah. How did they know, how did the psalmist know all that? Yeah.

I mean, how did they know? We're way ahead of. And to give a little context to what we're doing here, because now we're, or not us, but the Hebrew writers make them the claim of Christ, and as Phil was talking about the fierce and the fear that you would feel if you actually encountered an angel, you'd beg, uh-uh, these are pretty spectacular,

pretty spectacular beings. People usually fell out and it said they became frozen and terrified in fear. That's when the encounters they were having in the scriptures, that kind of stuff. Oh, it's scared damn. To one of my angels to calm down. Yeah, it's easy. So you think, so what we're trying to do here, if you're listening, is we're trying to elevate your view of angels, right?

But then in Psalms 8, this is what the psalmist says. He talks about the majesty and the splendor of the Lord, but then he switches and he kind of moves into the incarnation of the sun that's coming. He says, and the son of man, what is man, verse four, that you thought of him? What is man that you take thought of him? And the son of man that you care for him. This is verse 5, yet you have made him a little lower than God, crowned him with glory. One translation says a little lower than the angels. And in Hebrews two,

it says, you've made him lower than the angels. And so I think about this, this, Jesus was made lower, when he became, he has made lower than the angels. What does that even mean? And now he's being exalted above not just the angels. I mean, he's being exalted above all things. All things. Everything. And remember, the, the key to it is, because he was already there as God, but when he became a human being, he said about himself, he lowered himself because he constricted an eternal God into a human body. Plus, anybody watching would say, this is never going to work. Right.

Nobody would ever think this would be the way to save mankind, which is why it was such a rope-a-dope on Satan. He never saw it coming. And you know he had to wonder, why is he becoming one of them? Because he's been down here messing with humans. That's not going to save the world. It's from the beginning. So it was a divine rope-a-dote to save mankind, which is really powerful.

So I just thought that was really good. So we read this whole section. Let me read the last two verses. And then we get to overtime. We'll talk a little bit more about angels. To which of the angels, verse 13, did God ever say, here's another song, quote, sit at my right hand until I make your enemies a footstool for your feet.

In other words, the rhetorical answer to all those questions is none. the angels are powerful. They're living another realm, but they can't save sin. Now, real quick, before we cut out to you this, Colossians 2, which we went into a few weeks ago, you remember what their sin was. One of their sins was they were worshiping angels. So we want to lift up angels, but only because we want to tell you Jesus is better. That's right.

Yeah, what they did, and Paul was getting on to them for in Colossians is you're taking these ministering spirits, these things of God that are meant to point to him, and you're worshiping those things instead of the one who they're pointing you to. And so in the overtime, we're going to get to some of the why of that, Zach, especially in ancient times, why that would happen. And I think still does even today. So if you want to go check out overtime, blazedtv.com slash unashamed is where you go to sign up, and we'll see you on the other side.

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