Unashamed with the Robertson Family - Ep 50 | Mia's Recent Surgery, Jase’s Advice to Parents, and Trump Is Great for the Pro-Life Cause!

Episode Date: February 2, 2020

Jase gives an update on Mia and gives advice on how to handle having a child with a cleft palate. Phil talks about how you truly try to survive during duck season. Al commends all those who are pro-life and try to make a difference with foster care and adoption.   See episodes of "Unashamed with Phil Robertson": https://bit.ly/2J4XsiX   See clips from Phil's TV show "In the Woods with Phil": https://bit.ly/2PNM6k1   To take a FREE 30 Day Trial of Phil's TV show and the rest of BlazeTV: https://www.BlazeTV.com/Phil Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

I am unashamed What about you? I did the same thing in my class yesterday. I basically talked about the person versus the process. Phil always says the process, but, you know, I went through Hebrews. I asked a question. I said, what do you think of when you hear the phrase or the word reverence?

Well, oh, Kurt Lively, who's God gave him the word, reverence. right name. You know, he's lively. He's lively. He's our shouter and our worship. He should have heard him in second service yesterday. I mean, he got, he got, he got, I go and I was like, Kurt Laugley loves it. For everybody who doesn't know who we're talking about, we, in our church is a little bit laid back. That's a nice way to say. It's kind of conservative, but we have one guy who all the verses, you know, there's way more in the Bible about shouting than there is singing. And we have one. one member when he gets excited about a song or a sermon, he hollers out, full force.

Jesus. I mean. And it's just the way he's wired. And you can like see the kettle brewing. If you watch him during service, he kind of clenches his fist. And I, it's, you feel like, you know, when, when the water's ready, it's fixed to just that that's what he does. So, so he said, the first time he did it, I almost pooped my pants because I wasn't

If you're sitting in front of him, you know, it's a shock. It's about like having Sigh sit behind you during the song service because you're looking around saying there's somebody. Who is that? That is loud and sounds like he's in a little bit of a distress. So anyway, Kurt said, all in, brother. When I said, what is the definition of reverence? Oh, is he coming to your class?

Oh, he comes to my class because he said, he said, tell him what's the name of your class. I love the name of the class. The name of the class is Holy Roar. Holy Roar. We got that from, what's the guy who sings, a famous singer. I think I've told this story before. I met him at Tebow's event. He's written more worship songs than anybody.

You know, he's a young guy, not a big fella. I need help from the pin that guy. Phil and I don't know because we don't. listen to radio singing. I don't run with the same. Chris Tomlin. Oh, Chris Tomlin. Duh.

So look, I was on a shuttle to go to the Tebow event with Chris Tomlison, Chris Tumman, before I knew who he was. And so I introduced myself, because I knew someone famous because they send you, you know, shuttles and we raise my. If you're on the shuttle bus, you're with somebody famous, right? And so I, look, when I saw Missy, because she is into the worship in music, and I said, I met this guy, see if you ever heard of him, Chris Tomlin. She's like, you met him?

I was like, yes. And you didn't know who he was? That's embarrassing. But anyway, now I do, because I have engrossed myself. Well, you sort of do. It just took you five minutes to remember his name. I wouldn't say you'd know him, but. Well, that's a different issue.

So anyway, this story's all over the place. But anyway, now I love Chris Tomlin music. But I started my class and I asked that. Well, he said all in, but some of the old, older members and different people in there they said you know I just said what is the first thing you think of and they said being quiet and and reserved and you know and so it was weird how some people kind of if they're new in the faith they they're thinking reverent as in just being humble or you know like kurt said

all in like where he's surrendered to God and then other people that have been in the establishment a long time they tend to think oh we don't don't want to be too, you know. Well, we got, what, two of our aunts, like when they used to come and visit at Waysfay Road, because they're not from our town. But that's what they would say. They were like, oh, I just hate it there.

You have to remember it. It's so irreverent, you know, because people talk and, I mean, like, they just want to silence. Well, and you go worldwide, and you run into things like, I've mentioned this before, New Zealand, where it's not proper with the New Zealanders. to speak about Jesus, the Son of God, in public.

You can't do that in public. Yeah, you told about that before. Right. It's a personal thing. Yeah. And you're to never go outside the lounge of that. Which is funny because you're right. That's that same mindset, but it's like when people actually are in church setting together,

there's still the same idea. I was proclaiming Jesus. It wasn't a church group. It was just an audience of New Zealanders, about 10,000. they're sitting there. I go through the duck calls and all that. Then I preach the gospel to them. And when I got to the gospel in Jesus,

they've started the murmured against me. And I was thinking, what is that sound they're doing? Because they had it in their mind. This is never to be publicly done. You know, they never had to read the facts. It's just like my aunts.

I love them. I mean, they're great. It's just that's their mindset. That's what it's, they look at the word reverence, totally different than I would. you would. They're looking at the process instead of the personal view of the person.

I mean, when I'm saying person, you take Hebrews 12, 1, let us fix our eyes on the author and perfector of our faith. Hebrews 12, too, I think it's that. You know, let's focus on Jesus here. That's the image of the invisible God. He's the bridge to God, the ladder, the gate, the way. So when we come together Sunday morning, I'm saying let's focus all our energy, thoughts, eyes,

and our dreams and hopes on Jesus. And then we can become Jesus, 1 John 4. In this world, we become like him through his spirit. And the proclamation of Jesus and his death on a cross burial resurrection, if you notice in the book of Acts, when this began, the kingdom comes with power, fire on top of people's heads. all of their proclamation, all of it, 100% was done publicly. They're just out and about, and as they go forward,

and wherever they could draw a crowd, and if you looked at it, the whole thing was a public proclamation of Jesus, the Son of God. Just put all these verses together. We kind of lose that when we get two thousand years later into structures, and we're like, and it has to be this reserve type form of. Well, it's because they're focused on the process. That's it. But look, if I just rattled off a few verses, you know, Philippine 310, I want to know Christ,

the power of resurrection, becoming like him in his death. What's the one in Galatians where it says, I no longer live? I've been crucified with Christ, the life I live, you know, Christ lives in me. I mean, over and over and over, it says that. Prince, the only thing I know of that all of you heard from me was Christ, Him crucified. That's it. I mean, the mystery of godliness that Christ is in you, the 1st John 4, in this world, we're like him.

Even Hebrews 13, where it says, let us go to Jesus outside the camp, burying the disgrace he bore. You know, I mean, it's, that is, in my mind, what we should be focused on. They've shoved us. The world has shoved us as a group into a corner. And the corner is going to church two or three times a week. that that that's how when you keep it right there yeah that's right so so anyway i asked the question and my lesson was was this was the hebrews five seven i mean i had a lot of other things but i was just giving you that point but it says during the days of jesus life on earth he offered up prayers

and petitions with and notice this phrase with loud cries and tears to the one who could save him from death, you know, talking about Jesus crying out to his father through prayer and petition, but with loud cries and tears. But notice the terminology, and he was heard because of his reverent submission. We're looking in the book of John, and Peter gives you an update. I now realize how true it is that God does not show favoritism, because lo and behold, not only was the gospel start with the Jews in Acts 2. Now it's gone out to the Gentile.

He accepts men from every nation who feared. This is a message God sent to the people telling the good news of peace through Jesus Christ, who Lord of them. You know what's happened throughout Judea beginning in Galilee. After the baptism at John preached, that's John covered all that, how God anointed Jesus of Nazareth and he anoints all of us when we come to him. We receive God's Spirit. He anointed Jesus with the Holy Spirit and power.

And look, here was the program and how he went around doing good. And he went around. You say, went around. He's on the move. He's out in the public. This crowd, that crowd, this one over here. He went around doing good. And healing all those who are under the power of the devil, we point them to Jesus.

Do good and heat them all. Wherever you are. Public, private is not an issue. My point was when I asked people what reverence was, there was a group that said, be quiet, have this holy tone and mode. And that's the direct opposite of why Jesus was heard, according to the Holy Spirit and Hebrew writer. It says he was heard through his loud cries and tears. And so, you know, Kurt Lively, when I read this, he went, Jesus.

Because that's how he expresses his faith. not just when we're together on Sunday morning, but all the time. And I just thought it was noteworthy that sometimes we get in our mind, for whatever reason, that there's a way to go about this instead of focusing on being different, our diversity based on personality and our past and on how we view the object of our faith, which is Jesus. And listen to this, Jay's, we are witnesses, the importance of the, Apostle, I mean, Peter's talking.

We're witnesses of everything he did in the country of the Jews and in Jerusalem. They killed him by hanging him on a tree, but God is raising from the dead on the third day, causing to be seen. Watch. He was not seen by all the people, but by witnesses whom God had already chosen by us who ate and drank with him after he rose from the dead. And look, here's your marching orders. Let's see if it's public or private or inside a church building or whatever.

He commanded us to preach to the people and to testify that he's the one whom God appointed as judge of the living and the dead. All the prophets testified about him that everyone who believes in him receives forgiveness and sins through his name. He's basically saying he told us to go to the people. You're like, that means you can't confine him inside a structure. You just can't do it. At this stage of our culture and world, most of them, they're not coming to your building.

That is correct. Well, it's interesting because yesterday, Lisa and I participated in something. That's kind of what you're describing to. So there's a Baptist pastor from around Alexandria area. He gets with a guy from New Orleans that's an attorney, a believer, who's over the Louisiana right to life. So they organized an event yesterday. Yeah, I saw the news story. for life.

Thousands. 3,000 people showed up at the parking lot of First West here in town, the First Baptist Church. Great. We walked from the First Baptist. We walked downtown West Monroe. We crossed the Indom Bridge. And we walked over to St. Francis.

And right there in front of St. Francis, there's a big park. They had a stage set up. They had a band playing Christian songs. And then we got up and spoke to this huge crowd. And look, you had Catholics there, you had Baptists, you had Methodists, you had us, you had, you know, charismatic, everybody. And it was really great because, I mean, we're singing, people get up and talk about the importance of saving babies

and saving lives. There was a black pastor from New Orleans. It was just, I mean, on fire, plants, churches down there in the ninth ward. You know, African-American community is the one being hit the hardest, you know, by abortion. So it was fantastic. And then at the end of it, Lisa and I gave a little snippet of our testimony. You know, of course, we afterwards were taking pictures because this draw drew people in from all over Northeast Louisiana, but I just thought it was remarkable as we're standing there

doing it. We're right in front of St. Francis Hospital in an open park singing Christian songs and praying and people are jumping around. You were commanded? That's Jesus living. You were commanded to preach to the people testify that he's the one whom God upon the judge of the living and the dead. That's exactly what y'all did there. Do it in the streets. It was great. I loved it. So I wish there was more things like that. But the nice thing about it was, it didn't matter about nobody knew who anybody was. I mean, like, the only reason I knew the people were Catholics because they had the Knights of Columbus sign, but they were the ones feeding everybody.

So it was just like, man. I can give you this. One thing that good that came out of that in the same vein is our president. And he's the first one I know of in my lifetime. I actually went to the right. He's the first one ever. Yeah. Yeah.

That's ever. He's really been a proponent for. Oh, he's a pro-life guy. And Mike Pence, obviously, already was that guy. So Trump coming on board has been great for our cause. And by the way, just to show you that it's making an impact. So I just read that Pence had put a tweet out that said abortion rate is the lowest it's been since Roevy Wade. By the way.

So the movement's working. Of course, there's still 3,000 babies. By the way, he commanded us to preach to the people. Phil, what do you keep reading from? that Acts 1034 and fallen. He's locked in. It's a dozy, man. So the bottom line is, you say, well, has Donald Trump while enduring y'all's proclaiming

to the people that Jesus will judge the dead and the living, well, he got the good news too. So even he was part of the listeners that heard this. Which is why you have to be public. I mean, I'm out to break up this. We're only going to be Jesus people two hours a week. I mean, why did people... Have that ever catch on? And look, the arguments...

We've got to go way beyond that. I'm going to tell you, the arguments over Sunday morning dinner, it's not how many people or where are we going to park at this event. It's about what happened during the process at the building on Sunday morning. Today it's Monday, Jase. It is Monday. It's about mid-morning on Monday. We're sitting here.

We're sharing the good news of Jesus via the airwaves on the Internet land. way out there somewhere. But I don't know who's listening, but if they're listening, I said, well, are you getting the information? I said, well, I just heard y'all say that my sins can be removed and I'd be raised from the dead. You said, that's it, dude. It's called, we are telling you on Monday.

We're not in a church building, and you. We're going to have a song service, not unless me, me, you, and Jason fire one up. I love the way dad describes this. It's like in a faraway place, there's the internet land. It's a place of geeks and nerves. It's a jungle out there. That's why they came up with television, because it was like, we're going to do it telepac. And y'all are saying, some people are listening to say, well, these people are not going to come to Jesus because y'all are sitting there running your mouth, a bunch of rednecks.

I'm like, you should have told that to the people who drove these great distances that come down in here, say, we want to be born again. Oh, look, I'm reading what people are sending us. People are people are loving it. So, Jay, I want to shift gears. I want you to tell because, uh, me. he just had another deal and a surgery and I wanted you to tell about that because I was cracking up. We went over.

She was still numb when we saw her. Yeah. Well, you weren't cracking up because of her surgery. No, no, because of what she was saying. Yeah, but I'll give you the backstory, which I didn't really say much because in all her surgeries, this was kind of considered minor, which was cutting out her wisdom teeth. And it wasn't like she was having problems with her wisdom teeth. They just need the room for her.

her next surgery because they're going to have to break both of her jaws again. And so they're like, we're going to take the wisdom teeth out because we need that room. And so we figured this, I mean, taking your wisdom teeth out from what I've heard is pretty good a little surgery, you know, but we just looked at it like, oh, okay. I mean, compared to what she's had. She's already had some minutes. So we had a local guy, you know, going to do it. And so they do it, which is what's interesting.

and is, you know, Mia's perfectly comfortable in that setting. You know, Missing, I've always had trouble because it's your kid. But she's like, you know, hey, let's go. You know, give me the goofy juice and chop, chop people. Mia's first hers says, when can I eat again? Yeah, that's her. That's it. And she's a pro.

And so after the surgery, you know, of course, they give them that stuff to help them. Not one, she's under anesthesia, but also they give her a little something for, the pain lot we call it goofy juice but what it also acts as is a true serum by the way someone got a hold of his chase and ask about could you help him because they have a child with what he has so you can he wanted to know how he should approach this because it's causing them a lot of unnecessary I mean I say unnecessary a lot of well it's just it they explain to them his wife is let me finish the story and I'm not I'll do it.

So she comes out and Missy says, first thing, I mean, comes out of, they roll her out of surgery and the doctor and the, she calls the IV, it was a guy and the nurses, she comes rolling out and she's doing this. She said, awesome job, doc, one of the best ever. Who's saying this? This is Mia. So Mia is saying it. She don't feel, they got her numbed up.

So, I mean, she just had her, you know, her wisdom teeth snatched out and some, you know, another two gone, you know. But she's like, good job. She said, now the IV man. Thumb. Thumbs down. She said, terrible. Had to stick me.

She said, you had to stick me twice. At this point in your career, if you have to do that twice, go do something else. And this is a 16 year old? 16 year old girl. Of course, she's a veteran, you know. And the guy's like there. Yeah, Missy's like, I mean, the guy's turning red, you know. She's like, Mia.

You know, she's like, but overall, pat yourself on the back. It was just kind of surreal, but, you know, it's actually they got into a nerve and she's having a, her recovery has it been great. I mean, when she came home from the surgery, which was just a few hours later. That's one I saw her. Yeah, she was, you saw it. Oh, yeah. She was like, now the next day was rough because once all that.

Well, she said, I said, you know, she was like, I'm doing great. And I was like, well, you know me when everything unnums is. So for this couple who asked, you basically are saying you're trusting God. You trust in the medical profession. Well, you got to have an open mind. By the way, let me set up because the question he had, he has twins. His wife's pregnant with twins and one of them has a cleft power. it.

So he asked Chase's advice, kind of on what to look forward to as he goes forward. And they're unique because he's going to have twins. One has it, one doesn't. I mean, one of the things that we offer, which I think is I'm not, you know, running a commercial because we give 100% of our charity, which is in Mia's honor, meamu.org is where you can go check it out. We have a lot of good information out there because that's one of the biggest problems is people, like you would think if you go to a hospital, we tend to think they know everything.

Oh, yeah. But what we found out over and over and over again, when a kid is born with a cleft palate, not just the lip, but the palate. They can figure out if it's just the lip. But if it's a cleft lip and palate, you're not going to find anybody with any stirring information there to help you. So you already, if you can see that before it happens,

you need to do your research beforehand. You can go to sites like ours. And we then connect you with people that we've helped. what you know they do it through social media and and that that's key because you just you might think you know what's fixed to happen but you basically you know got to have the plan in place and then you got to look at it it's it's a not a condition that you fix you manage it for roughly 18 years and that's where everybody gets off there most people in the world are looking how Mia looks and that is the last thing on our mind you're focused for 18 years on how she's breathing how she's talking

and how she's eating, yeah. Those are the three major things, and there's a few surgeries that are tentatively scheduled. I think it's seven for a severe case as Mia's. But she's had 12, I think, and that's pretty good. I mean, we got some kids that we've had, we got one that's had 200. Now, he's a little more extensive than just the cleft lip and palate. But so every kid's different. So you've got to have an open mind.

And the one thing I do tell parents out there, what you, the biggest thing we've had to get over, this is really weird about this process. As parents, you get used to the way they look. And so whenever you do a surgery, she's going to forever look different drastically because the parents, other people are not noticing it because they're not seeing them every day. But to the parents, there's something really just rips your heart out when you see them because all the little things that have been corrected, you kind of grew to like that.

Because it made them different unique. Well, yeah, it's just weird. So that is the most traumatic, and they don't really give you any kind of counseling on that, but it's pretty devastating every time. I would say this whole process, for the ones who have children with this problem, is patience. Patience, yeah, perseverance.

And you realize the kids, the toughest person in the process. If you're not an emotional person, I've told people this, you will be. Because, you know, even like the day after her surgery, even this past one, I mean, she was coughing up blood. And, you know, it's just hard to see your kid. But she's kind of, she's 16 now. So she's just, you know, like no big. You know, when she was four, you know, it's hard to see your kid just throwing up blood for hours. Because every time.

So when do you think looking into the future if there's a. away when finally they'll say we've done all we can do. Well, when she quits growing. This is mill. When she quits growing. So it's usually around 18 years. See, they're planning for the last surgery. So it is drawing now, at least.

It is. Of course, what's weird is then they can go out on their own and do any kind of cosmetic surgery on how they look just like anybody else out in the world. But I've noticed most of these kids when they get to 18. They're sick of surgeries. They're like, this is me, get over it. You know what I mean? They ain't worried for it.

So everybody else, that's why I was trying to make the point. What's amazing is that's her grandfather, I literally do not even notice it. Well, they don't either. I'm oblivious to what they're doing with her mouth. I'm looking at Mia and I see Mia and the ramifications of that many surges and whatever. I just don't even see it at all. Somewhere along the way, I don't remember the age. but I or what because we've been there for most of the surgeries but there was one in there when

she was around 10 or 11 or 12 something like that where it it changed her so dramatically that it was shocking to us because all of a sudden it was like this little girl she was there and then all of a sudden it was like she's not there anymore because it changed her look so much so I thought the same thing you did I mean just as a family member who'd kind of walk those steps and it's almost kind of like a grieving process of what changes you know yeah it's weird It's really about suffering. Romans 5 is really where I hang out a lot because it really teaches you a lot about the process.

I think in that context, he was talking about people who suffer for him, but it applies. You know, you go through suffering, it develops perseverance and perseverance, character and character. I mean, all these kids that we know intimately that we've helped,

I mean, they are the most character-driven people. And a lot of times the kid has way more character. than the whole family. You're like, where did this kid come from? Because they go through so much. And they're picked at because kids are mean, you know, so they're going to get. You look different or have a different name.

They're going to rip you. Like Mia's real, you know, she gets embarrassed when she eats because she, like right now, she can't eat normal because, I mean, she's got. So like she, last night was, look, this is what, two or three days after surgery. She went with their friends. she played to play the piano.

I think they had like some kind of teen worship or something at one of the churches here and she played. I was like, are you up for this? And she's like, oh, she's like, well, I can't sing because she could barely talk. She had all that packing, you know, I was like because it was like a two hour concept. She's like, no, I'm going to do it.

Then they all went out to eat. So when she came back, I was like, well, how was it? She was like, well, I was self-conscious about eating because I can't chew, you know, and I can't feel because they hit a nerve so she can't feel half her face and she's like well i didn't know if there was something on my face so i kept you know getting out a mirror looking at making sure the food was going in my mouth sure you're not chewing on your tongue yeah so i was like well yeah i'm really proud i was bragging on it

because i thought most most kids just wouldn't do that you know well let's face it 16 year old girls you know there's a lot of issues there just for me and a 16 year old girl in terms of how they look how they're perceived by their peers so yeah to have that on top of that is pretty amazing. But I just want to say to the person who sent in this request, you know, we just, I'm glad you did because that allows us to talk about. And there's probably others out there that.

You need to get that information and you need to establish that network. It's meamoo.org. Yeah. And I shared with you a couple weeks ago in a podcast, which I don't know how they all run, but when I saw the couple, a lot of times we'll go visit the hospital and get word. Now, those people, I've never seen a couple so prepared.

and they were happy and positive about everything you know and so and that that comes from the preparation well by the way to piggyback on that to what we were talking about earlier i said this yesterday to that audience of people that the advanced in technology medical technology that now allows us to look inside the wound which is how we found out that mea had a cleft lip or cleft palate and you don't know the severity of everything until they're to they're born but think about it you never had that before. Well, that's also helping, not only is it help you prepare for that, just like this family's going through, but it also has helped us in the pro-life movement because all of a sudden

before it's that, well, that's not a baby, that's just tissue. And all of a sudden now, when you're seeing images that clear, where a 20-week-old, look, you can go in with no anesthetic and rip that child literally to pieces, people are looking at that and saying, you know, that's not what I was told for the last 40 years. You know, before in 74, you couldn't look. You didn't know. Well, that's why it's such a passionate issue. I mean, I get it on both sides.

But, I mean, it's to us, I'm looking at this God-created life that's precious, you know, from the womb to the tomb, you know. Right. But you're just like, how could someone do that? So you have to back down just a little bit. Right. And I love what y'all do. and you are to be commended for being vulnerable and sharing, you know, Lisa's experience

about, hey, you make mistakes in life, and that's what God is there for, and you become a voice. And that's what she says. She says now, I wish there were groups that are there that we now help raise money for because she said, I needed that group. I needed somebody to counsel me and say, because my parents didn't know, they bought the lie. So they were like, yeah, you just go down there and get it taken care of it. You know, early 80s, nobody knew any different. She said, I would have loved to have had a life choice,

counsel, be able to sit down and say, well, look, let me just make clear what you're doing, you know, to a 16-year-old girl. Because thinking about it, you were telling me a 16, Lisa was 16. And look at all the kids we've adopted just in our family. Oh. I mentioned this yesterday as well.

It's not just on the abortion end. That's just the beginning. If we're successful as a movement and we're praying and that we want less babies killed, that means more babies will be born into people. places and families they can't be raised and taken care of. So you've got to have people willing to walk alongside. The guy you always mentioned your first convert, he's your age.

He's 50 years old. He just adopted two kids that first they foster care, then they adopted. I told him yesterday at church, I was like, Blake, this is, I mean, you're a huge part of the pro-life movement because if you're going to have babies being saved, somebody's got to take care of. And Christians were. I mean, every time I hear his story, you know, Blake was the first guy I shared with. and I had to overcome my fear of speaking and, you know,

there's always a moment when you're in Jesus as a new Christian where you step out there and say, no, I'm not going with y'all in doing this, and here's why. And Blake was the first guy I did that. I thought the same thing. And I'm like, here's this guy. You know, it was a bumpy process getting there. It took him a couple years.

But when he did surrender to Jesus, He never looked back. And despite his upbringing and every reason not to. And he's been a warrior in the past for kids and, you know, adopting kids. Well, he's got a grown daughter and, you know, that he and his wife had, and they just had the only child. Yeah. But to make that commitment all these years after having that child, I mean, I just admire people like that.

Because they've got something or somebody that fosters all these kids. My niece, Carla, she's forced. it was foster. Now she's adopted eight kids. Yeah. And Blake's family, his sister had adopted some. And that's what I meant. Their whole family has been. And that's a gift. Like, not everybody can do that, but the ones that can, you have to encourage people to do it because that's how you do it. And you said it before dad. That way we get it out of the government. Well, that's a government problem. No, it's a Christian issue.

Because if we're going to be a voice on behalf of the unborn, then we've got to be willing to deal with the people that are pregnant because they don't know. they don't know Jesus. Before I came to Jesus, these thoughts that we're discussing today never crossed my mind. No, you wouldn't have even thought about it. No. Why would you? Didn't care.

Right. And most people are like that. Why are you against women's health? You're like, whoa, whoa, whoa. This is not about women's health. This is about a child we're trying to help get into this world and then see what happens. Well, and it's about her spiritual health. I mean, she'll, it's just like Lisa, if she could go back and change that, she would now.

That's right. And there's other people who realize that too. So well Lisa said yesterday she that says this when she speaks she said you know I have a problem saying this is a women's health issue when half the children that have been aborted were women were girls were baby girls so to say that we're concerned about women's health we weren't concerned about 30 million I mean yeah their health I mean their health is ended you know so I mean that's a you know that's a great argument that she uses so so I got to tell you so yesterday I'm preaching he did good by the way

yeah jace are jays is my sounding board to let me know if i blow it or hit hit he may be yeah he could be no i'm not he's told me it for you know well yeah i never heard a well yeah crickets so anyway so yesterday i'm preaching on what we talked about have talked about the podcast this this you know moment where john the baptist says you know

he's basically given the testimony when he baptized jesus and what big huge deal that was because that's was heaven opened the voice the holy spirit comes down let me interrupt i thought you made a good point i hadn't thought about when al asked the question he said what does that mean when heaven opened and i thought that's a good question because i was like i don't even know what that means what do you all think that meant some kind of portal heading up and how well you mentioned the guy in uh that paul i think you said paul but it actually it was paul said he knew a guy But he was talking about himself in that text. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

He was talking about himself in the third person when he said, I knew a man who got carried up into the third heaven. But he was talking about that. Oh, that's true. The third person. Yeah. I think you got that a second opinion. Look at a, oh, no, I'm on target.

Well, let me read that because it's an interesting thing. It said, he said, I know a man in Christ. This is 2nd, 2nd, 2nd, who 14 years ago was called up to the third heaven. Now whether it was in the body or out of the body, I do not know. God knows. I'm not seeing how you think that's him.

That's him. He was talking about back when he was converted. And I know that this man, whether in the body or apart from the body, I do not know, but God knows. Well, why wouldn't he know? Keep reading. Okay.

You're going to get there. Was called up to paradise. He heard inexpressible things, things that man is not permitted to, tell. I will not boast about a man like that, but I will not boast about myself, except about my weaknesses. Yeah. I mean, theoretically, maybe. He just made the transition. What's the beef with it? St. Corinthians 12. What's the beef with, it could have just been a guy that he knew? Well, it could have been. Yeah. But it was him. But your point was, your point was, look, I lean toward what you're saying.

It was him. I don't, I didn't. I didn't. to me it's not important because he doesn't devout. It wasn't allowed. These things were not allowed to be spoken. Tell my point of saying it that when he got like, my point was whether it was Paul or somebody else, when they saw that, they were like,

I can't even tell you what's happening. That's the point. I can't even put it into word. So I was like, they were looking up through the portal. Yeah. And I don't know if it was, you know,

we don't know from the text if it was just John and Jesus. I kind of think now it was just the two of them, although usually John had a crowd around it. It was almost like Jesus went to him privately to have him baptizing, but I don't know. But anyway, the point was for John to see it. You know, it wasn't Jesus already knew. But it could have been like that. Where's that other story where it said there was a voice?

And it said that voice was for y'all's benefit, not mine. But it says to those that were standing around, it just seemed like it had thundered. Yeah. Which I'm, when you did the voice yesterday of God, you know, Al said it was probably like James Earl Jones. I said it wasn't it wasn't Pee We Herman. It was James Earl Jones. This is my son.

But it was more than that because it was like thunder. Yeah. You know, you don't appreciate thunder as a voice till you hunting lightning and thunder. To a lightning strike hits right by. Two or three times this year we put our faith really to the test because we literally would not get up and shoot dogs for fear of being struck by lightning. That's why when I all mentioned that we might discuss a little of that, that's why it says

survival abduct season because there were a few times we were in danger of being struck by lightning. Since you brought that up, that's pretty good. The biblical narrative, usually when there's an interaction between human beings and the other realm, whether we're talking about angels, God himself, him speaking. The one thing I've noticed that's consistent, because you hear people say, oh, I saw this, I had a vision, blah, blah, blah, but it's fear. Like when we interact with them, when an angel would show up, people fell out like they were dead. That's how frightening it was. So, you know, the idea is that everybody's floating around and with the long, blonde hair and got their wings going.

It's a little soft and cuddly. We've all been in studies where we hear these stories and, you know, I'm not denying them. No, I mean, neither. The guy may be, because I usually think, had you been drinking that night? You know, they're like, well, you know, because they're like, you know, I'm driving down the road. and, you know, God had this, you know, we had this conversation. But I'm always looking for that too because I'm like, these people that were inspired by the Holy Spirit when they wrote,

I mean, he got up there and said, I heard things that were inexpressible. Well, what does that mean? I mean, human language can't say what I saw. That's what he said. I got a guy talking like thunder. This will blow your mind. This literally probably would blow your mind.

Literally. That's what I said yesterday. say mind blown. Look, I was at camp one year. You know, we was all, you know how they do at camp. Look, I love camp. Had great experiences. We call them emo divo.

Yeah, but everybody's, you know, going around, talking about what heaven's like got to me. And I was like, this is all pointless. Everything I've heard up and do this point, whatever, you know, the guy. The guy's like Jason were the killers of the emo divo. You could even get a good. He's like, what are you trying to say? I'm like, they're going up there saying, I can't describe it. So why are we down here trying to, well, you know,

I think heaven is, you know, going to be, you know, whatever. Whatever you think it is going to be thousands of times better. So why are we even trying to do this? We always say, boy, there's a way to duck hunt forever, you know, because that's about the best thing I can think of. And I thought, that'd be nice. No game or worse. I don't know.

This season felt more like hell to me. That's what I mean, though, you know. And you want the challenge because that's what makes it fun. But then I'm like, that is so small of thinking. thinking that that I mean I think that's just the wrong road I think it's way bigger than that it is worth noting that when duck season ended this year someone says so what's you been doing the last couple of days rather than since duck season ended I said I hate to tell you this all I've done is sleep I mean I was going to invite aside to be on the podcast today this is where

I was going with this story because I wanted him to share to our and I'm going to get him later but to share with our podcast audience what he told me yesterday because he got so fired up about this point in the sermon. Yeah, finish your point. So here's what I was talking about. So the Holy Spirit is down there, right? I mean, he descends on him and it says it alighted on him, you know. Kind of like hovering.

Yeah, like hovering. Over the water. Exactly. So Jay said said something a while back on the podcast about Genesis 1 in creation that, you know, there's a spirit hovering over the water. basically saying let's go we're fixing to create you know and so that's the biggest moment in human history the earth was created so this is another moment like that because now the new birth which is going to is going to come after which is a recreation it's a recreation so i made the point that in

acts two you know when when peter and all those guys are there guess what's hovering over and said now it looks like a tongue of fire yeah it's there it is again he's about to just empower you to do these languages and all these other things and then then in Acts 2, 3,000 people cut to the heart. Peter says, what do we do? He says, repent, be baptized. And this first time this has ever said to a mass of people, you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.

So the same idea. Available to everybody. That's why I said the Holy Spirit. Look, now get this, if you don't get anything else about this point, get this. The Holy Spirit was hovering over the waters in Genesis 1, 1 and 2. The Holy Spirit is still hovering over the waters. So when people fall in love, surrender, declare Jesus as Lord, except Christ, the whole reason that you take someone to be baptized is now they're believing this same thing that we read

that because of that surrender to Jesus, Jesus gives you that Holy Spirit to recreate you. That's why it says the only thing that counts is a new creation. The old is gone. Just think of all those passages. So I think that's pretty... Once people get that love, they run. Yeah. Here's an awesome thought.

Isaiah 46, about verse 10, Isaiah said, God talking now, I God make known the end from the beginning, the same one who appeared and is now officially being unveiled you say Jesus the Son of God he'll go on to die be buried and raised from the dead God said through the prophet Isaiah I make known the end from the beginning from ancient times what is still to come so when you finally identify the one through whom the end will be

eternal life for the ones who put their faith and trust in him and hellfire for the ones who didn't. It's a pretty interesting. The spirit was hovering over the waters in the beginning. Then in the beginning was the word. The word was with God. There's Jesus. That's what I love about John so much. And the day he was officially introduced to the, he was known to the Jews at his baptism. You say the end is getting closer. That's right. But that's why even look in our culture yesterday, I mean, Kobe Bryant killed in a helicopter crash. The whole world. I had like three people send me text messages.

Yeah. To tell me. I hadn't watched NBA basketball. Everyone better get ready for the end is all I have to say. But even that and now you got this scare of the coronavirus, you know, going around. And I'm like, you see how the world views all that. And look, I think it's terrible that, you know, I thought Kobe Bryant was a great basketball player. But to me, what we're discussing here, talking about the Holy Spirit of God hovering over the waters and people getting called up to heaven.

and, you know, all these things are intriguing to me. I don't want to miss that. I don't want to put all my hopes and dreams on this earth because they all end the same way. Right. Anxiety, literally, literally is a, without God, is a dead end. It's just not, you know, that's not for me. So that's why we're discussing this.

We are. And so we're out of time. But Salva's going to be on the podcast today. I was going to invite him because I wanted him to share, with the audience what he told me yesterday. So I go to the back and, you know, I'm kind of old school preacher. I'm back pressing the flesh, you know, meeting the folks, you know, meeting the visitor. And so Sae comes up, wild-eyed, like only Sa can.

He said, hey, I just had an out-of-body experience while you were preaching. So I want him to tell us and you two because you wasn't there to hear those what his out-of-body experience entail. But it's actually pretty good. It was a pretty deep thing. we'll have sigh that's your tease for next time hopefully we'll have zai and he can explain that the reason sigh's not here is because i called him this is the day after duck season ends the survival as we say so i call him at 1030 on my you know on my way out here to see if he wants to do the podcast and the lady that works for him and his wife said oh he's still sleeping honey and i was like good nice duck season must have wore sigh out he's sleeping to a i'll sleep for about a week off and on. Get up,

look around, back down. There you go. So that's how we heal. Anyway, that's all we got time for. We'll pick it back up in John. We got some really cool stuff

about the disciples we're going to talk about in John 1. So if you're still reading with us, do it. Keep sending us the questions. They're awesome. I love the engagement. I love the encouragement

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