Unashamed with the Robertson Family - Ep 504 | Phil Takes Ben Carson on an Adventure & Jase Calls Christians to Step Up After Roe v. Wade

Episode Date: June 29, 2022

Jase calls on the church to step up in the wake of Roe v. Wade and intercede for all the orphans who will face a parentless future. Phil and Al give an Old Testament Bible study on the womb and illustrate how God views unborn children as entire future nations! Jase tells the story of Karina, their daughter from Nicaragua, who was given a chance to rise up and become a mighty warrior for Jesus Christ. And Phil talks about his recent visit from Dr. Ben Carson, who enjoyed a nature adventure with Phil as the guide. Sign up to watch the Unashamed overtime show, only on BlazeTV: https://BlazeTV.com/unashamed Get "Your Daily Phil: 100 Days of Truth and Freedom to Heal America's Soul" by Phil Robertson, available now: https://www.amazon.com/dp/1400235936 - Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

I am unashamed. What about you? So, Jase, you're not going to believe it. I'm looking at a, looking out my window at a sea, but it's not the Gulf of Mexico. Can you guess the sea that is right outside my window that I'm looking at? The Aegean Sea. Ooh, very good. I did not expect that. Did you do some homework or you just? I did not, but I was in. in Greece. Oh, that's true.

That's true. I am surprised that was the right answer. It is the right answer. So that's why I'm looking at the agency. So I'm on the Isle of Crete. And, Dad, you'll appreciate this. This was, so where I'm looking out, a little research and went back to Acts 27. And I sort of, you know, because Paul was here when he, right before he got shipwrecked.

Well, before you get into that, Al, what are you doing there? Because I don't know. So our view. yours probably did not either um i'm doing as little as possible i'm not it's just strictly for fun tours oh i'm not doing anything of consequence yeah it's but but i did want to get on the podcast y'all because i thought it's really cool to be here and to be in crete because paul literally sailed by me i'm looking out here on the agnc as jace correctly called it and he he went by here yeah he went right around the horn and he went behind

just across the island. He wanted to winter in Phoenix. And the centurion said, no, we're pushing on, which was a bad call. 14 days later, they wound up almost to Italy. They just got dragged there. The ship went out from under him, and they all swam in. And that was the end of that. I wanted to tell you, I'm literally looking at where he was.

Technically, you're doing research and development, Al, for the Bible. You're putting the pictures with the words. That is true. That is true. I guess that's one of the positives of me being here. We took a little... Lisa and I went a little European cruise, went to Venice, Italy, went to the Balkans. I was...

I tell you, I was very impressed with the Balkans. Now, we're talking about Croatia, Montenegro, you know, all those countries that used to be Eastern Bloc. They came out of that, but they're very pro-American, but more importantly, they're very pro-Christianity. They're like 90% Christian, which I didn't know that until I went through there and visited some of the places. But it's impressive. I mean, the whole region over here was really impressive. So anyway, we wound up here in Crete, be here a few more days. Well, there's a little restaurant just outside of Athens that's on the shores of the sea.

I mean, it's out. And I'm not sure which direction. But, I mean, I highly recommend it. It was really good. I remember you telling me about that. We're going to be in Athens a day before we come home. So I may try to look for that. So, Jace, you've had a big.

You've had a big week since the last time you're on Unashamed. Tell everybody what you were doing. I have. We went to New York to promote our show Duck Family Treasure, and it's going really well. I mean, it probably looks easy to do these little five-minute, ten-minute segments, just one right after another because you go to one, you go to the next, but it's a little more difficult than it seems. You don't know what they're going to ask you. And a lot of it's live TV, which is.

is a dangerous position to be in, huh, Phil? Yeah. But we got through it. I mean, I think the energy of people are enjoying the show, and that kind of promoted, I guess, just our overall demeanor. I mean, I'm humbled and excited that, I mean, it all started right here, Unashamed Nation.

Yeah. They were behind this whole show. this idea so it's going going well well i love that when you i saw you on the from over here i found the first fox and friends when it was you and missy and um jeep and jesska and you said that on the very first interview you were like hey our podcast audience said we want this show and so we made it so you've been getting good response to it from the folks we really have and look it's the same thing it it you know you think about and i said look i was Before I came here this morning, I was on Fox and Friends this morning.

I'm not sure what day this will air, but because after we left and come home, it was amazing from their point of view of how many people watched every time we were on. And so they're like, hey, how about when we released these last five episodes, you come in the next morning. So at 5 o'clock this morning, my dogs were barking. You know, they showed up. They got these mobile camera crews now. They just show up.

They set up a camera. Missy and I sat down outside. They put an earpiece in your ear one minute before your own TV. And you're just standing there or sitting there looking at a camera. And they're talking in your ear. It's a little more difficult. At 6 o'clock in the morning. Yeah, 6 o'clock in the morning.

So, but it went well. but what I said this morning was, I was like, look, we're ordinary people. But if you look at why these shows are successful, it's not based on talent, obviously. I mean, you can't be any more simple-minded than this show. But what I kind of realized and what I shared this morning was, I said, you know, when I think back to when I was a kid, I mean, we were a broken family. I mean, you've written three books about your demise and they're making a movie about it, you know,

about when we were kids. And, you know, all of a sudden, some God-loving church people and your sister go on a mission and they share Jesus with you and my mom. And all of a sudden this transformation occurs. And through that process, in an effort for y'all, since your heart and mind has been changed, you're wanting to spend more time with your kids and do things.

And so then we have the outdoors. You move in the middle of nowhere, and we have all these moments, you know, that built our family. Well, when you fast forward that to duck, you know, our duck first duck show and now this show, it's the same concept. It's a family.

It's not about making duck calls. Duck Dynasty was not about how to make duck calls and be successful doing it. was just the backdrop for our family to spend all these moments together. And then the same as this treasure hunting show. We said from day one it wasn't going to be about what we found. We're outside. We're together. We're meeting other families. We're getting kids involved in doing this. And you have these moments because really when you're thinking, you know, life can be difficult, especially now. I mean, look from the economy to all the social issues and what's going on. and wayward use, you know, shooting up schools and different things.

So we're like, here's an idea, get you a metal detector and go out there and spend some quality time. This is fun. This is good, clean, fun where you're with other people, you're with your family, you're having conversations, you're having adventures. And it's all based on things that we've read in the Bible. I mean, it all comes back to Luke 15 in my mind because when Murray asked me for the first time to go metal detecting. And I thought, what is this? He said, it's treasure hunting.

Well, I just got my Bible and read everywhere there, it was mentioned about treasure hunting. I come up on Luke 15 and I thought, well, if the God of the universe is comparing him coming to earth to find treasure people, that's why he's eating with tax collectors and sinners. And then he uses earthly illustrations like finding a lost coin or finding a lost sheep. And then it got serious when it's like the return of your son, you know, the prodigal son. I was like, maybe it's something I already get into. So that was kind of was the mode of what we did, the interviews, that this is people who are not, we're unashamed of our faith, where we focus on family and relationships and trying to help,

you know, help people and love our neighbor. And through that, these are some good adventures and fun along the way. So if just so the audience will know, and I know we've said it before, but let's say it again. So all 10 episodes now are available if you go to foxnation.com, right, and subscribe. Then you got access to all 10 episodes of the new show. Yeah. And breaking news, look, my wife, she binge watches. She had never seen the show.

She's in two or three of the episodes. She hadn't watched them. So she watches them yesterday, the whole series. so I thought well do you like it she's like I loved it which I thought was was great because she she tried the metal detecting during one of the episodes and now that I can talk about these shows it's nice but so we get out there she finds a button right off the bat so I thought she's going to love this and then we found this old cool aluminum token from from an oil company, you know, it was a cool moment.

I thought she's going to really love this. And then she said, all right, I'm out of here. She's, I tried it. It's a good for you. Well, you know, the producers looking around at me like, I was like, what are you doing about it? She's had enough. She's gone.

She said, I want to go these antique shops up here. And so I'm so glad I did. I said, why don't you send a skeleton crew with her up there? because treasure comes to people in different forms. I mean, what she thinks and views as treasure hunting is going to an antique shop in town and spending money and finding some. That is her treasure. I said, send a crew up there with her and film it.

So they put that in the episode. And to my surprise, it was actually entertaining watching her talk to herself. She was by herself, which is probably a bold move for TV. but uh what you think about though jay she she is doing the same thing as you because you go to an antique store you're looking but you're just looking for stuff that somebody's already laid out you just got to find the treasure that matters to you that someone else has already left behind it's the same basic thing i mean i hope without the digging yeah i see where people i mean they they bought into what we're what we're putting out there which is the ultimate

treasure has nothing to do with something physically you find in the ground it is a about relationships and family and experiences and all that. But also, part of that is, is people are different. I mean, my wife and I, we've documented it on podcast here. We cannot be any different. But she does her thing and I do my thing. And when you come together, it makes for interesting conversation, which is what happened in that episode.

But what I was going to say is, she binge watches it. She said she loves it, which was a big relief for me. She's like, I'm telling you. I mean, what she said was, she's like, she said, this is way better than Duck Dynasty. I said, babe, that's a pretty big statement. I said, so she really liked it. But she said, but we need to have a talk. I was like, about what?

Of course, obviously I'm in trouble. She's like, what in the world are you doing? Because I, in one of the episodes, I got caught up in the excitement of an auction, trying to do something, you know, for a friend, nice. And she's like, you are not allowed to go by yourself to an auction ever again, unless I'm there. And so, because I have had a history, you know, when we go to auctions and Al you've been there. And you're doing something for a great calls. And you think, well, you set aside of some of money and you raise your little piece of paper.

But then you never realize, well, what happens when somebody. starts to battle you. And I'm such a competitor, and you know, the numbers get bigger, and I don't care because I want, now I'm in. So she didn't like that. So maybe I should, maybe I should have told her that I bought a cannon for $9,000 and then gave it to my good buddy. Well, some hasn't been there, Jay.

Some things that I would not allow your mother to dictate that. much policy or where I'm going. Well, she didn't say I couldn't go. She just said, I'm going with you. And why didn't you tell me you did that? And I was like, well, babe, it was a good, you know, it was a good thing. And I said, and technically I just was paying because he was trying to buy it at first. I just stepped in when he said, I'm not paying anymore.

I just stepped in for the extra. Yeah. You know, the other day, to Missy's defense, to Mrs. Defense, Dad, you never bought a $9,000 cannon either, so that's there. No. Hang on, Dad, let's take a break. No. So, Dad, tell us about, you had an interesting weekend as well. You had a little visitor family come to visit you.

Ben Carson. A couple of somebody may know. His people from the podcast, who lined up the podcast? You with him earlier? Yeah, he was on our podcast. And look, Unashamed Nation loved that. And he was awesome. Yeah, he is awesome.

I thought he did fantastic. But he brought his wife Candy. Yep, met her. Miss Kay and her, we're two peas and the same pie there. But I told Ben, I said, Ben. So they spent the day with you? Yeah, a couple days. Two days.

We went over here. Well, this is breaking news, Phil. I imagine if people knew that you and Ben Carson spent a couple days in the woods together. Well, I reminded him, I said, do you understand? I understand that something big is going on in our country. And I said, it's a positive thing. I said, it's huge. And he said, what would that be?

He's a quiet spoken man. I said, when you see rednecks running with brain surgeons, I said, that's big. That's big, Ben. Did he laugh at that? Oh, did he laugh? Yeah. I said, just think about this, you know, rednecks and brain surgeons. surgeon in the same vehicle going somewhere of one mine.

In the woods. I said, we are coming together, dude. So, yeah, he laughed at it. But we got stuck. He said his favorite thing that happened was when I buried up the four-wheeler and a ditch over there. You got stuck? I backed off.

I said, I'll make it and I hit it. And I just buried it up. And, of course, when you just romp on a four-wheeler and you're stuck, mud is flying on your left and you're right. and some of it coming in the vehicle. So he was being, you know, tattered with hunks of mud, biggest of fish.

I noticed he was ducking and all that. He said, I have more fun with that than anything that's ever happened. I said, well, I didn't. I said, because I don't like to get stuck. I said, but, you know, thank the Lord, we have a winch. I said, so we figure the winch out of there to be,

but it's muddier than I thought it was here. So see, to all these people who think we just make up this stuff on these shows. You're now hearing this is what happens. That's right. That's exactly right. But you think about it, Dad, so Ben Carson, here is a kid from Detroit.

Very, very humble poverty beginnings. I mean, his story is incredible. Highly intelligent. Highly intelligent. Way past my intellect. Educated at a major university becomes a world-renowned neurosurgeon. and yet he said the most fun he's ever had his life was getting stuck in the woods with you in Louisiana. I mean, that just shows you people have to be exposed to more of our culture, right, to really appreciate what's all right?

We were in the middle of the woods. It was about, you know, we got, you know, now about 1,600 acres. So it's all woods and all floods. But, you know, he was just looking around saying, man, he said, this is in the middle of nowhere. I said, yeah, it's way back in here. I said, this is where we come, this is where we come and interact together, places like this. I said, it's quiet, Ben. There's no static, no yai, yeah, yeah, no marching, hollering, carrying on.

And it's just not here. It's quiet, peaceful. So one of the things I appreciate about Dr. Carson doing was he offered to speak at our church at Weiss Ferry Road for a community-wide event on Saturday night, which he did. and there was a pretty good crowd there on dad, and so how did that go? It went well. And Ben pulled it off, but I didn't think he put it. He held their attention.

He spoke for about an hour and a half. So there's a, but he had a lot of stories about when he was in the operating room and various individuals, children, working with them trying to save their life. And the ones that everybody would say, Ben, they're not going to make it. Well, Heath is the one that said, they're there right now. They're in med school at some college, but when they were in their mother's womb, I mean,

their brain was just beyond repair to most people. He said, but you'd be surprised on the ones that made it. He said, the Lord, he said, it was too many, too many times that they said, They're not going to make it, and they did make it. And he accented that. He said, so, you know, you try to help people the best of your ability. And he said, but many times he said, I thought the Lord did that because everybody said, no way. He'll never make it all the info on them. So he gave one story after the other, which was pretty interesting.

It is. And, you know, he actually operated on. babies in the womb, right? That is correct. I'm understanding. Oh, yeah. Yeah, some of the stuff he's there. Oh, yeah.

Which is incredible, which kind of takes us to what we were going to talk about today other than where we all are and what we do. He's the only brain surgeon I've ever actually talked to. I don't run in the places where there's brain surgeons. I just never have come that far up. I just think it's a testimony to how the Lord brings people together from different backgrounds. By the way, 50 different people, visitors were yesterday in our little church here, you know, up there in West Monroe, Monroe. So there's about 50 showed up. They were from about

seven or eight states, but the words being beamed out and they all came. We had a big time yesterday morning, you know, baptized a couple. That's what I'm saying. The work rose on. I saw the picture of you and Dr. Carson in the side by side. And I just, I'm like Jace, I just marvel at when God brings people together, which kind of, by the way, is what we've been talking about. The whole point is about a divided nation, but if you had some commonality in your faith in God, you might be able to find out a way to work it all out. We want to talk today a little bit because since we were last on, the air, of course, last week, last Friday, the Supreme Court basically reversed Roe versus Wade, which is a big deal,

obviously for a lot of different reasons for 50 years. You know, this has been become the precedent and law of the land. And so now there's the changing landscape. And, of course, by the time this airs, you know, we would have been going through several days of, you know, protests and a lot of different things that are going on around the country. But I wanted us to all kind of weigh in on it and talk about that for the rest of the way today, which you led into it, Dad, because this idea about just if a baby's in the womb, it's not a person. But, you know, if you've got a guy like Dr. Carson going in and operating to help this child who's alive to have a better life once the child comes out, I'd say that's pretty much, that sounds like life to me.

I've never seen people at their age level. It looked like all the hecklers and all. They're in their 20s from what I could see. and I've never seen human beings in mass jump up and down and squeal and holler with glee. With glee, we have to kill them. You have to let us kill them if we want to kill our children. I've just never seen anything like it.

Well, I mean, look, my take on it, because I've been around more news in the past 10 days, just me sitting in the green room at these shows listening to them talk. But actually the decision didn't really specifically address abortion

per se or life. It just they, the Supreme Court said, we don't have the power to rule on this. It should be given to the people. It's not in the, yeah, it's not in the

constitution. But in that moment, I thought, okay, well, wait a minute. So now the people, mostly Democrats, are rioting because the people can now decide through democracy how to rule on this. And it just kind of hit me in that moment. I thought, well, wait a minute. Shouldn't shouldn't the Democrats be happy that we're going to use democracy to make this. So, you know, it's something else here because when you start looking at the arguments, like for us who believe that God is the author of life, I mean, I just think that it was an emotional, politicized event to, you know,

try to promote fear and scare people into thinking, you know, somehow another, this government control is not giving you the right to do what you want to do with your body. Because that seems to be the slogan that keeps coming up. But it just seems so hypocritical to me because we're coming off COVID. And people who were trying to exercise their right to say, I don't want to take a vaccine or wear a mask, they had a completely different opposite view of that. And then when we're talking about life here in human beings coming forth. All this stuff that the Supreme Court, they said it's not out.

It's up to the people. Well, it's really up to the people. This thing about we need more gun laws and we need more laws governing life, one of a baby's a baby, all of that. We have the code. Command number six of the top. 10 that God wrote. God writes it and he gives it to the Jews on Mount Sinai. Commandment number six is short and to the point. Do not murder. Don't do it. You break the law

if you do that. So the laws on the books, it's been there 2,000 years before Jesus showed up. So that's another 3,000, 4,000. It's an old law, but it will work. Don't murder. Yeah. Well, that's what I'm saying. I agree. But I think... Hang on, Jace. Hang on, Jace. Let's take a break. So we're talking about Roe v. Wade, and as Jace rightly pointed out, it's basically just what I believe should have happened back in 73 was they shouldn't have ruled what they did then, but they did. And so we've been living with that. But they kicked it back to the

states. And, Jase, you're right. It's back to a Democratic choice now by state. And most of the states have already made their move. I think there's 11, the last time I saw the list, that it basically banned abortion. Including Moors, yeah, our state is one of those. Included Louisiana is one of those states. Yeah. And so there's, and there's 11 others. There'll be some that have gone the other way.

You know, New York, they'll go right up until right before a baby comes out. So you got a wide-ranging view by state on this issue. but I wanted to talk a little bit today about just sort of a biblical narrative. I think Jay's is right. I think we're trying to reach people. Some of the stuff I've seen, the signs and the rhetoric out of the people that, you know, are upset have been graphic, to say the least. And, you know, I just, you want to try to reach these folks with good news, but that's

difficult sometimes. And I think that's kind of where the camps are between the two. but I do believe, Jase, that all of us have stories in the pro-lite medium. Lees and I are super engaged and involved, but so are you. I mean, you had opportunities to talk about it today. Tell us a little bit about kind of what was your take on it when y'all talked about it on Fox and Friends. I mean, look, I mean, I know this is so passionate and emotional. I mean, I got a little emotional.

I don't think you could tell on the show, but because they asked us about this foster baby that we have that came our way they're like because a lot of people even when I I made one little social media tweet when the verdict came down I said this is a good day for the innocent and I put hashtag life well you know that got a lot of support but it also got a lot of people saying oh you know that's easy for you to say and yeah yeah yeah I'm just basically most of it was personal attacks or so I've heard but uh You know, it's what you want to say in that moment is, look, I have a baby in the other room that his mom chose to give life. And, I mean, it's a difficult situation. Missy had a ministry for years where she helped women in really tough situations.

Most of the women have been abused as kids. They were victim of sexual trafficking, you know, as a kid. And of course, they grow up. They have no self-worth. They view all men as predators and rightfully so. You can't really blame them. They've been just kicked around and abused their whole life. Most of them are on drugs or prostitution or whatever the situation is.

I don't want to give the specifics of each one. But you get the picture here. And one of these women reached out to us from being incarcerated. So she's in jail. Yeah, and gave us custody of her child. You know, she was pregnant at the time she was incarcerated. And so we were just supposed to have him for a week or so. And, you know, I guess we're...

I mean, she couldn't raise him in the jail. You can't raise him. There's nobody else. But look, and you say, well, how do you feel about that? You know what? She's had a difficult life. and my wife, you know, has poured love into her and tried to help her, but we were celebrate that she chose life, despite all the difficulties in her life. And so we decided to do this.

And, I mean, we couldn't have been any more busier at the time, but we just, we believe that God is the author of life. and he has plans and purposes for each person and each individual is valuable. And so we thought if we stand in the gap here and give this baby love and security, we're just going to do it. And so we did, which is now turned into four and a half months. And, you know, I shared that because I'm not going to go around and share with people that I believe that all people are valuable and made in the image of God and they're not accidents and they're not mistakes and they're not junk, there were

something and there's a plan. I'm not going to go out and share that and then not be willing to sacrifice my time, energy, passion and money for a baby that has no one to stand up for him. I mean, I wish there was someone in his family that would have stood up and said, we're going to take care of this baby. But I think that's what the church, I think that's what our job is. And look, I think with this decision, there's going to be a lot more babies that get to live. And that is exciting.

And we're passionate about it. But it also means that we need a call to believers to step up. And hard work is involved. You know what? You know what hit me because, I mean, I didn't read this in a book or whatever, but I I've just watched my wife the last four and a half months. And, you know, there's a reason 50 plus age men and women are not having newborns. I mean, there's a lot of work. I mean, it is a workhouse all hours of the night. And I've never seen my wife so exhausted in my entire life of being with her over 30 years. But you know what hit me is that I know there are a few tough situations when it comes to abortion and that seems to be highlighted. by those who are for abortion. But for the most part, there's a lot of situations like I'm describing,

where, you know, things have happened and people are just out there living however they want to live and not worried about the consequences. And they have unwanted pregnancies happen. And just out of convenience and downright selfishness, they just abort babies. Yeah. That's just the honest truth. I mean, we've all been on couches talking to people where it seems to be the same pattern over and over and over. And so, of course, we're sharing God's grace with them and trying to get them to change their heart.

But you know what hit me? Because on the other side of this argument is that it's like somehow this is degrading to women that they can't, you know, have this choice about their, and they have all these phrases, their reproductive rights or whatever. and I'm like, you know the most unselfish people on the planet? You know who they are? Mothers. When you think about it, I think women are one of the moral pillars of our society because you just look at the unselfishness that they portray, and I've just seen it in my wife.

There's a motherly instinct that kicked in. She never once said, well, this is not my kid. I mean, she gets up at all hours. of the night. She sings to that little boy, and we get to participate in watching life's blessings on a daily basis. So for us, it breaks my heart when I hear a baby's abort it. Because I'm literally seeing this every day, even though this is not our natural born son. I get to celebrate life. I become passionate and emotional about this, because I'm like, look at this kid. He's awesome, despite him coming from a world of chaos.

And he may end up a brain surgeon. Look, and that was my second story. Hang on, let's take a break. That was my second story this morning as I told about our daughter, Karina. I mean, here's a girl who came from a third world country. She's an orphan. Her grandma raised her until she died

when she was early teenage years. And here's a girl for all practical reasons should have never succeeded, but people from the church, a family from the church, from the Dominican Republic, reached out to her, and not just on a daily basis, but just gave her Jesus. And she turns to the ultimate father through faith, put all her hope and dreams in that, and then just worked her tail off, learned three different languages, educated herself, got a scholarship to high school in Germany, Mine goes over there for four years by herself, gets a scholarship in the U.S. to a college in Minnesota, just graduated. And people look at me and say, boy, that's awesome.

You helped her out. I was like, don't be mistaken. We didn't help her out. She was headed on this journey without us. We just noticed it and said, can we be your American family? First time I ever saw her, I said, who's that? Yeah. And y'all said, that's that girl we adopted.

does it all, well, good for you. Well, we didn't adopt her. We just, I mean, adopt. We just acquired, yeah. I'm saying, you know, a broad scope. We just said. Took her in. Yeah, we took her in.

And she doesn't have, you know, she doesn't have any family. But to me, I'm just saying you could have made an argument for whatever her situation is. And you couldn't have made an argument in my mind, but, I mean, nonbelievers to say, why would you bring this baby into the world in the slums in a third world country when there's, you have no family structure, you know, you just look at her. And so I'm looking at all these unborn children as the next potential Karina. I'm like, this girl is a warrior defies logic for the thing she's accomplished. I mean, and now has a job, a high-paying job in the nation's capital.

You're talking about a success story. I think I could say, without hesitation, we recommend. mend it, but they laugh and they scoff. This is a message we've heard from the beginning. We should love one another. Do not be like Kane, the original murder, first murder recorded that I know of. Don't be like Kane, who belonged to the evil one and murdered his brother. Why did he murder him?

Because his deeds were evil and his brothers were righteous. So when you just look at the big picture, Jace, the laws have been on the books, the admonitions have been there. What we have, Jace, in our culture, is a lack of love. We don't love each other. Well, I agree. But, you know, and I'm just saying, I think people have to step up in this time. There are going to be more babies. And look, there's a waiting list for, you know, the, the,

kid that we're involved with. And I don't know what's going to happen. I mean, ultimately, we want to put families back together. And like I said, that's kind of where our whole show got started. I mean, because people see it 30 years later. But you got to realize that God brought our family back together. It changed our hearts and our minds and our views about decisions that lead to unwanted pregnancies.

And so that's what you want to do. I mean, now I know this is, you know, close to your heart because y'all go all over the world. I mean, Lisa's story is incredible. But, you know, before Jesus thinking one way and then post-Jesus becoming an advocate for life. And so. And yeah, and I like it because we work sort of both ends of the same equation. I mean, what you're doing as well as Will and Corey have done and Jeff and Jessica is part of the pro-life movement that says we're going to see this all the way through because there are kids out there

that are going to need people in their lives. We're more on the front end of the equation because Lisa had an abortion at 16. She and I had met, but then both of us were in the world at the time. And then in the time we were not together for a couple of years, she winds up getting pregnant and having an abortion. And when she describes it, you know, the deal was she didn't have anybody to go to. She's 16 years old. She didn't know what to do.

She didn't know. I mean, this is only a few years after Roe anyway. So she, so her parents had believed this lie that's not really a person. It's just some tissue. And so what happens is they, you know, they encourage her to get an abortion. And as much as I, and her parents are gone now, as much as I loved them, I realized they just believed what a lot of people believed that this wasn't, these weren't real people. This was their grandchild. And so when Lisa describes it, she talks about not only losing.

a baby in the process that she decided to not have and to end her baby's life. But she ended a generation of babies and potential because now we're grandparents. So think about what that does with just one decision. And so what we try to do is talk to women on the front end who are actually contemplating. And you know what's interesting, Jay, is the, look, a lot of this argument has been about semantics because you mentioned earlier, you call it reproductive rights. Even the term pro-choice, I mean, it's not really what it is. It's really pro-life and pro-death. I mean, you know, it's a choice.

I mean, it's a God-given. We can make choices. We have the ability to make choices, and it's never been about. The whole thing is pro-choice. So it makes it sound a little bit better. And here's how you know that's true. Within a few hours after the decision came by the court, there were about, I don't know, 12 plus corporations, maybe 20, that said, hey, I tell you what, we're going to pay for women

that work for us, which they have a right to do. It's a private company, to fly to states that provide abortion, and we'll pay for the whole deal. So I thought, well, but you know why they're doing that? Because when you have children, your interests are divided. I mean, they're looking at it Like, and they, it's more expensive when it gets into, uh, uh, taking off for pregnancy and maternity leaves. And so they're like, some of it is a, I think it's an economic. I mean, they're just looking at like, from a checker board game. We'll, we'll, we'll take care of that because we want your undivided attention.

I mean, which is. But it's also, Jace, more than that, it's also one-sided because you never hear anybody offer to help. women who are still trying to decide what to do. And, like, we'll help you find, you know, the right counsel, the people to help you through the process of an adoption. I mean, if those companies were really concerned about their employees, and you're right, it's just about numbers and money, then they would provide both ways.

In other words, if you're pro-choice, you should provide help for the choice, whether it's to have your child or to have an abortion. So it's not true. I mean, the thing is based on a lie. Well, there's a lot of lies here involved. I mean, what did Ronald Reagan famously say? He said, I've noticed that people, all the people that are for abortion have been born. And he was just pointing out something that really doesn't, he wasn't making an argument, but it's just.

Let's take our last break. It's something when you think about it, you're like, well, wait a minute. I heard the Speaker of the House just on the monitor. when I was there, say she made a statement, Pelosi, she said, well, daughters now are less free women as their mothers were because of this ruling. And when she said that, I thought, but these were mothers who actually gave birth to these daughters. They wouldn't even be here if that would have caught on. What are you saying? It was like so missing the big picture of what happens that somehow another,

because a person is in the womb that they're not a person. And I told you all when we were waiting on Zach, you know, I saw a picture somewhere where a pregnant woman was marching after this decision, and she spray painted on her belly, not a human. And I thought, well, that does seem so crazy to us who realize that God is the author life. And I mean, common sense would lead you to believe when you look at life and how we're populated.

This is where these people turn in to you and me and doctors and lawyers and movie stars. and this is this is where we come from but it's just not it's not that easy to come into people well and it's there's a passionate side of it i want to read a couple of passes jays that that i thought was interesting because i when i knew we were going to talk about this today i looked up a little bit in the old testament and because the old testament talks more about a woman's womb uh than the new but one of them was from Genesis 49 and it was Jacob's blessing. And it said he was blessing his son. He said, because of your faith in God who helps you, because of the almighty who blesses you

with blessings of the heavens above, blessings of the deep that lie below, blessings of the breast and the womb. And I thought it was really interesting because he was talking to his sons, but he left, out the principle that there's great blessing what you said earlier about a mom and in the ability to both, you know, have a child, but also to care for a child. And so I thought that was a really interesting way that he put that in the idea of what the blessing was. And, you know, but all throughout the Old Testament, these people in the wound, it's Isaiah 49, Jeremiah 1, judges, Samson, Genesis 25, Rebecca and Jacob and Eza, all.

those passages point towards a baby in the womb that then says, I was set apart in the womb. I was set aside as a Nazarite in the womb. Two nations are in your womb. Two peoples will come out of your womb. So the idea is that those were already people from God's perspective, no doubt about it, in the womb. I mean, so if you're wondering what God thinks about it, you just do your little Old Testament study about the womb. Because he'll see that from God's perspective, it's life. He's the one that knits them together. That's right.

Yeah. And look, now that we have technology and videos, and, I mean, I wish that somebody would just do, put a documentary out because this seems to be what the, you know, the other side does. Put a documentary out. Show these videos where, I mean, it's a proven fact, doctor after doctor after doctors, say, I mean, babies are 14, 15 weeks old in the womb, and they feel pain. They try to get away and fight from the needle that's fixed to be inserted in their skull and kill them. They're literally, and that's what gets my blood boiling.

I mean, I watch one video, and I'm like, okay, whatever argument you were going to try to convince me that this is not a person, because I see a baby fighting just from the nature that God provided and not to be harmed and feeling pain at such an early age that we now can see. You can go watch them. And if that doesn't affect you whatsoever, I'm not sure what else I can do. I mean, from an argumentative standpoint, which that's why it comes back to sharing. in Jesus, there's two qualities about God that surface when you look at the life of Jesus. When you read Matthew, Mark, Luke, or John, and anyone who would happen to be listening to this,

you know, on the fence of this, you just think, what is Jesus like? Well, there's two things that come up over and over and over. Life and love. those two qualities come up over and over and over. And even the initial verse that I talked about in Luke 15, Jesus was hanging out with people who were bad, who were terrible, who were doing probably the very same things that we're discussing here.

You know, why was he doing? Because he is love and he is life. I mean, that he wants to give life to all people, redemption to all people. And so I think when you look at it like that, that's our number one weapon. We need to share Jesus, have conversations, because I think he's the only one that can ultimately change the heart, mind, and soul about how we view unborn children. You are correct, Jason.

But, Jason, when you think about it, Jesus was the result of an unwed teenage girl who found out she was pregnant. Now, that's exactly what happened. And Mary was not married. She was betrothed, but she wasn't married. And she found out from God, but still, she found out that she was pregnant. So you talk about the ultimate unplanned pregnancy. I mean, here was a girl who had never slept with a man and found out that she was pregnant. Of all the ways God could have used to bring the Savior into the world, you're exactly right.

A very difficult situation. And people say, yeah, but I mean, they had God talking to them. Look, there's a lot of people on our planet who think God is talking to them. And most of these people are absolutely crazy, you know. So I'm saying you could have made an argument, oh, God's talking to it. You're crazy. Put her in a straight jacket. That's right.

And we know from the text, even her fiancé is what we call them today, but her betrothed, did not believe her. Because he was going to, you know, he loved her. So he was going to quietly put her away by divorce. And then God had to speak to him. I said, no, no, just hang on. I got a plan here. So my point is, if we set the parameter that abortion is the best choice for a situation like she was in, then we would have just aborted the son of God.

Exactly. Plus the age old, when Mary said, how can this be? I'm a virgin. And Gabriel, the angel sent by God, told her, said, with God, nothing is in. impossible. Well, exactly. And I think we should close this with, you got to remember, look, that was a time of my life, because a lot of religion, I think, handles this the wrong way. I mean, we're not in the rock-throwing business. We're in the God's redemption business. And, you know, Al, when you and you and Lisa were just early on in your marriage, I was never real supportive of her

because of her past and that she had had an abortion. And I mean, you know, well, and I was, dead wrong. You were clearly right. Now, I know you felt some responsibility because you were outside of Jesus and helped lead her down the wrong path. But you can't give up on people. You know, God's grace, you know, he transformed. I mean, I started off talking about you and K, Phil, but, you know, you just can't give up on people and people do things that are clearly wrong and sometimes just make us, you know, our mouths are open and we're like, I mean, we're looking at babies like, don't kill this baby. We'll take him.

I got a, I got a lot of mile long. But that's when you got to realize, you know what, we got the greatest weapon in the world, which is the greatest love story that provides transformation, redemption, and a change of heart. And hopefully, from a spiritual perspective, because I have my doubts about politically, whether this will get fixed. But I know what God's grace can do to a person. You can teach them to say no to bad things and yes to a lot of lovely things that our planet needs.

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