Unashamed with the Robertson Family - Ep 505 | Jase Bewilders New Yorkers in Times Square & Why More Men Don't Brag on Their Wives

Episode Date: July 1, 2022

Jase describes the time he was surrounded by New Yorkers asking him to demonstrate a duck call — and they stared in bewilderment at the sounds he was able to produce. Phil and Jase agree that God made a strange creature when he made women, and Jase explains why you rarely see men bragging about their wives. And Jase tells the story of a young man who sought him out for advice on how to have a spirit-filled marriage. Get "Your Daily Phil: 100 Days of Truth and Freedom to Heal America's Soul" by Phil Robertson, available now: https://www.amazon.com/dp/1400235936 Sign up to watch the Unashamed overtime show, only on BlazeTV: https://BlazeTV.com/Unashamed - Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

I am unashamed. What about you? So I'm back from Crete again. Still here and join the beautiful Mediterranean. I expected y'all to mention my background behind me. This is, Dad, over here, they call this a villa. I'm in a villa. Have you ever stayed in a villa? Have you seen any ducks flying around on the ocean?

No, no ducks. I've seen a few pigeons. and some doves, but I hadn't seen any ducks. Yeah, a lot of, I didn't see any ducks there while I was there. So I'm from the villa in Crete and coming to you for unashamed. And so, Jase, you've done all this media, and we talked about on the last podcast before the new show. I know today, when you leave here, you're going to more local media. Tell us, tell our audience the big show you got in my life.

I see y'all walking toward. the camera and I'm looking at sigh of the one I've been running with since he ran naked for the first six years of his life in a log cabin. I watched him mature and grow up and fight with them all about whether he's going to wear clothes or school or not. From there, sighs on one hand, Jace is on the other. Jeff's just looking up like, how did I get here? And Murray Crowe just there for the, I'm just looking at the little cadre of people who are looking for treasure. And I looked over at Ms. Kaye, I said,

is that our sons and my brother? Mary, we converted Murray with a great, he has a great story of him coming to Jesus, but it all came together. I said, you know what? I actually think that's going to work. You know, Phil, it has been surprising. I think it's going to work.

I kind of had a chip on my shoulder just because I think people thought that family entertainment won't work today, which I'm just not sure why. I mean, there's. At least it's not lewd and filthy and women's boob bouncing around. I mean, it took me back to, you know where I got a lot of insight and a lot of just good family, wholesome entertainment was on Andy Griffith. I used to watch. That's something I watched. I mean, I remember the guy, there was an episode that had a profound impact on me. I'm talking to Andy Griffith here because they had an Uncle Si, which was Barney.

I thought your interaction with the people who owned the land where you were looking for whatever's in the ground. But they had through a big fish ride. And I looked at how they had those fish ride. I said, they know how to fry fish. They know how to put a meal. Yeah, it was. Hospitality that was available was worth seeing. because you see so little of that.

There was zero difference in the way they cook their fish and the way we cook ours. That is correct. And look, you go out to restaurants and, you know, I've been to places where just a fish will make you gag. Yep. But people who live off the land, they live outdoors and they do their good fishermen, they know how to cook. Yep. I mean, everything I ate that day was fantastic. I mean, it was phenomenal.

Between y'all, two family groups who had just met each other, it was a, it was a, it was, It's an awesome TV, Jay's. You know what? It was real life. The camera people filmed that whole scene from a distance one time. When we finished, I said, look, we may have to do a couple of things that they didn't have camera coverage over. And so I was expecting, you know how producers are. I mean, we just, they say, come on in.

They film. Nobody said, Jay, say a prayer. I just thought we're fixing to eat. Who heads up that Fox Nation, kill me? Is he the one kind of the go-to guy, Brian Kill Me? No, Phil, he's just one of the personalities. Yeah. No, I had supper with the people who had all that up.

It went well. But that's a different story. But what I was going to say is, what was I saying? What was I talking about? You were telling you want to tell the Andy Griffin episode. Oh, yeah. So that was an episode that, oh, Opie, you remember as a kid, and I was just a little older than him when I was watching this,

but he was enamored with this guy who was basically a con man, and he was telling him all these sayings like, because Opie would say, well, I got chores to do. I don't remember the exact phrase. I mean, I hadn't seen this in 30 years. But he said, and that old guy told him, he's like, well, remember this. don't do today what you can put off for tomorrow.

Well, you know, when you think about it, that's terrible advice. And that was the point of the show. And so finally, you know, Opie's dad, the sheriff, Andy, he meets with the old boy because he realizes his son's being influenced in a negative way. And he makes this illustration about a bait. And he's like, yeah, look shiny and all. It's got a hook in it. And it kind of made me think of the deceitfulness of sin.

and how we get influenced by people. But I mean, I was a kid. I watched it. It was a great thing for me to watch. I thought, yeah, I need to watch out. Just because you're old. By the way, Jay. Doesn't mean you're wise.

A lot of people, a lot of people compared our original duck show to Andy Griffin, which I always thought was a total plus because that's the kind of show that stands the test of time. And I think ours is sort of the same way. And you said it, you got, you know, Barney and Cy who were extorting. of this comedic influence. But then you've also got dad and Andy who are kind of your moral core. You know, you're, you can always set back to them. You've got Aunt B, Miss Kay, you know, the women who kind of run the household.

And so when I'm speaking about this on the road, I always say, now I always ask the audience, I said, who do you think is Otis the drunk on our show? Of course, everybody laughs because there's no real answer. But then I always say, maybe old mountain dog. Yeah. Well, you had earnest tea, you know, I'm not sure which character he was. But it didn't matter. It was relationships with his family.

And the overall thrust of it was just, it was good, wholesome, you know, fun. And so it's been good. I mean, I've gotten to do a lot of crazy things. One thing I should have talked about on the last podcast from my trip. But I didn't know if this had ever happened in the history of our society. society. So I went ahead and made a breakthrough for you duck hunters out there. But because we did this bit on, uh, the Waters World show or whatever, uh, whatever that's called. And so what they wanted to do, they said, would, would you mind going out and

interviewing the people just about random topics? And I, and Jep was like, I think we should do it. It'd be fun. So they take us to Times Square. I mean, they just escorted us down. there. And so we interviewed people. They gave us five questions. And we had no say in the questions. They just said, I said, well, we need at least one treasure because that was the theme of the show. You know, they said, go find treasure in Times Square with the people. The rednecks entering the, the, the, the, the, the hustle and bustle world. Yeah. The New Yorkers. But it hit me. So I said, well, look. Y'all did stand out and look a little weird. I don't know, Phil.

There were some weird people there. Oh, I mean, that's when weirdness met weirdness, but the good news is weirdness is in around here, Jay. So we started asking these questions to just random stranger. I was shocked at the people who just, you just show up with a microphone and they step up to the plate. Yeah, I saw them. So we asked them, you know, basic questions. What's the weirdest thing you eat? What caused you to lock your doors at night?

What's the national treasure? We asked them what they thought about Joe Biden. What was your question? Jeff asked that young girl. She asked her something, you know, something. But they asked, which nobody understood the question, what is the lame duck part of government, in your opinion? Which we finally started changing that question to what could government do better? Because the first guy we asked, he said, I don't like geese.

They attack people. I said, what is the most lame duck part of our government? And he said, I don't like geese. they chase people. I was like, uh, that's a conversation killer. But, uh,

and there was one guy smoking weed. I mean, I said on the after the show was the closest to being high I've ever been. He came up there and I was like, is that, what are you smoking? Smoking weed? He's like, yeah,

is that a problem? I was like, and somebody said, that's legal here in New York, which I didn't know it was. I was like, just don't blow it at my face. But then when I said that, he kept trying to blow it in my face.

So it was, you know, it was interesting. But what I was going to say, I did something, I didn't know if it had ever been done in our society because I told the people there, I said, look, I want to do something. I don't care if you film it or not. But I'm not sure that anyone has ever blown a duck call championship style here at Times Square. Because, I mean, there were, look, there were thousands of people there. I mean, hustling and bustling. I said, I'm just going to do it.

And he said, go for it. Let us get it on tape. So I just brought my ringer, you know, that I take it doing these events. What was the response or the overall response? I would say bewilderment, confusion, people calling 911. They didn't know whether to stay or run. It was a strange, they had strange looks on their faces. I mean, they do.

so then after i did that they said do you have any more duck calls then people wanted duck calls it was like it created a firestorm so then i was like why don't we just i had a few duck calls in my bag and i said if they'll blow it you know i'll give it to them as i had like four or five so we did that have fun with it but i thought they put any of that did how much of that made it on the they put the duck calling on there we watched the so the next night we're on a show and uh you know in one minute they asked us basically how you know what did you think of course they edited it put movie clips in it they tried to make it a comedy i guess i'm not sure what the point of it all was i really as soon as we ended i asked you never but you never

watched water so no water's got to start this is my world and right the only thing we had to do 15 times is they wanted us to say, I'm J's, he's, you know, I'm JEP and this is our treasure or whatever. We had to do that like 12 times because we, we couldn't do it. We do all this thing off the cuff, just go out there, bam, and then our little signature tag, whatever he does, because I wasn't familiar with it, of course, but we finally got it. Well, that's what I'm saying. So he was an intern.

I mean, he started very young at Fox and just doing whatever, you know, work. And then he got his big break when O'Reilly was so big. And he was his guy on the street. So he'd go out and ask these questions. And now he's the big Poonba. He's got, you know, the spot on Fox News. Oh, yeah. And so he still likes kind of tipping the hat.

That's what that was. He's pretty tough on, you know, people, the left. He's pretty kind of almost kind of cynical. I mean, they're. The gloves came off. I felt like, man, this is pretty bold. I kept thinking that. But, you know, it is what it is.

I mean, so we did it. I mean, it was all, I guess, good, you know, it was fun interacting with people. But I was surprised even the people that didn't necessarily agree with us, they like our show. I mean, one of the guys, the guy from Canada, because I was like, what's our national treasure to you? And he's like, I'm not from this country. I saw that was a I was like oh where are you from he's like Canada I said well how long have you been here

and he went three days so it just but he said but I know y'all I watch y'all show and I mean you just he just didn't look like the type of guy that you would have thought you know watches our show but I was like hey well we appreciate it

but it was good so tell where you're going that's where we started this before we went in the rabbit hole tell where you're going next for your next big media opportunity. Oh, so I'm going to our, I guess, are they our sister podcast? It really is a sister, even though there's no women on it, it's a sister podcast, because that's what they call them.

Well, they had, they had, the duck call room is the one we're talking about. They asked me to be on, they've been asked me for a few weeks, but I hadn't been, I mean, I'm literally been traveling everywhere. And so I'm going from here to there. So I said, well, I need to watch one of their podcasts because I've never been on it. And they've done a couple hundred of them. I think you've been on it, Phil. Yeah, I think I did.

And I've forgotten what I've had. And I've been on it too. So I pulled up their podcast. Well, I didn't realize they had had Sigh's wife, our Aunt Chris, on the podcast. I was like, well, when did this happen? I watched that podcast. That is as hard as I have laughed at watching anything in my life. I thought it was awesome.

Because Sye, every time he started telling a story, she would just lean into the mic and go, nope. And then they would ask her for the real story. It was like you had a real live fact checker. That's right. It was hilarious. It's actually like Missy on this one. Let's take a break. So I'm going there.

I'm not sure what I'm going to be doing. But I'm sure you can look out for that. And so we'll tape that today. I'm trying to get over all my filming obligations. So this maybe can lead to a day off at some point. point out. That might be nice. You've been on a run, Jay, there's no doubt about it. Yeah. So let's shift gears to back to Hebrews. I know that I was gone a couple of podcasts, and I guess y'all wrapped up Hebrews 2. Is that correct? Well, we did. And look, we,

because we talked about, you know, pro-life, our last podcast, but the last time we were here, we had Zach, we got through chapter three. uh one through six but what i thought i would do i always last night i had a late night email and uh what i had done is i had to do some research to even tell this story a few years ago i spoke at a it was at a university but uh they had a leadership meeting there young men who were going to go into the ministry and be preachers. And there was probably 30 or 40 of them. And so I spoke at it, which was kind of weird because I'm not a minister as in a paid

preacher. I mean, I do this because I love Jesus. I mean, I'm an ambassador, but I speak. But for them to ask me, because these guys are going to be preachers, more like what you did, Al, for years, you know, work at a church. And so I spoke. But one thing I did was I gave my email out to those guys because I thought they were all young men. And I always gravitate towards trying to influence especially 15 to 25 year olds.

Because one, they have way more energy. Two, they're way more open-minded. And I just think that that's our future. I want to leave, you know, a legacy. I want to pass, you know, the love for Jesus and this boldness of sharing Jesus. to that age bracket. So I'm always attracted to those kind of events. And so I gave my email out.

Well, one of them last night, one of those guys there, I mean, I did this probably. I don't want to date it, but I'd say seven or eight years ago. And I've had several of them reach out to me in the last seven or eight years. Well, he sent me an email. And it was a question. He had had two members of his family that he really loved and respected go through. a separation and a divorce just in the past year and it just devastated him and he's a newly married guy and he's like you know what I'm just scared right now I'm upset I mean he's real emotional

about it's been a tough year for him and he said I'm just looking for advice on how to have a dynamic spirit-filled marriage and he said I remember that time that you gave out your email and said if you ever have any, you know, questions or whatever. And so I just found myself, you know, in the middle of the night last night, typing, giving him my response. But I've been studying Hebrews, and I think I want to share what I shared with him, which will also act like a review on where we're at. Because this is what I've been studying.

I mean, when I was flying to New York and in the green rooms, and I'd get my Bible out and I would study. And I was studying Hebrews mainly. So what I did last night, and y'all can critique my advice. Look, it was in the middle of the night. And I'm hoping this was from the Holy Spirit, because I did it off the top of my head. Because when he read that, and I know he's gone through a seminary, and he knows the Bible. And so he's asked me a question.

A guy he doesn't know, he heard me speak one time. So my first thought was Hebrews 13, 4, which says, marriage should be honored by all and the marriage bed kept pure for god will judge the adulter and all the sexually immoral and i just put there i said well it seems simple enough what seems to be the problem there's your verse and so i then said i think there are some keys to understanding what led to that statement in hebrews 13 and i and then i gave an outline of what we've gone through here i said the first 10 chapters was a focus to Jewish Christians, Christians mind you, that Jesus should be the focus. And I had some of the verses that we mentioned, chapter 3-1, let's fix your thoughts on Jesus,

you know, 12-1, fix your eyes on Jesus. I did this analogy of Hebrews 3-6, which is out. That's where we left off where he said, Christ is faithful as a son over God's house, and we are his house. And so I made this point in the email about, I want, and I used Ephesians 5 as an example, I said, here was, you know, talking about the different roles in marriage, but his whole point, Paul's point in Ephesian, was that you're married to Jesus first as the church. And so I said, look, I want in my house to be, I want to be, you know, Christ as far as I'm house. Christ, married to Christ, but then I want to be a Jesus husband to my wife. That's the goal. And so it led me then to the point, which is what we're going to talk about today, which is

chapter 3 and verse 13 and 14, and I'll just read it right now. We'll get to it, you know, through the other text. But it says, but encourage one another daily, as long as it is called today so that none of you may be hardened by sins deceitfulness. And so, in verse 12, I should have read, where it says, see to it that none of you has a sinful, unbelieving heart that turns away from the living God. But encourage one another, as long as it's called today, so that none of you may be hardened by sin's deceitfulness. So I made a point in there that, look, he's talking to Christians, Jewish Christians,

and he's focused on Jesus, which will show you, the relational aspects versus the ritualistic aspects of religion that they had experienced under the old Jewish system. But look at what he was trying to warn these Christians about doing, which is having an unbelieving hard heart and be deceived by sin because it's deceitful. And so that was kind of the basis to where I wrote down three things that we focus on Jesus. We, what was the second point I had? Oh, we are unselfish. A key element of marriage is unselfishness.

Because when you think about what sin is, according to, and I had James 3 and James 4, where it says where you have envy and selfish ambition, there you find disorder in every evil practice. What causes fights and quarrels among you? don't they come from your desires within you, you want something, you can't get it. So I had key number one to a marriage is a focus on Jesus and the relational aspect. You know, if you are separated from your wife, there had to be a separation of Jesus by one or both parties at some point for that to happen. Going back to Ephesians 5.

So, and then third, I had things change. And because in marriage, everything changes, when you get married, everything changes. It never goes back to the way it was when you're dating. When you have the first kid, guess what? Everything changes. So I put in there, it's tough to navigate this. And so that's why I highlighted what he said here. Encourage one another daily.

So I told him in my own personal life, I have five guys who love Jesus and who are unselfish. And I see that in their marriage. And so I have made every effort to befriend them because I want that circle of friends who when I have something come up in my marriage, or I have a question about something. I call them, and I've done it for the last 25 years. I mean, we encourage one another daily because it is difficult to navigate the circumstances. So that was basically the thrust of my message to this guy, and I know this has been a long

story, but it was a long email. And I stopped what I was doing and addressed it. But it made me realize that Hebrews, when you get to chapter 12 and 13, there's a lot of exhortations, not just about marriage, but it started off with you focus on Jesus, you focus on the relational aspect of God, you combine it with faith, chapter 11, and then let us then do this, let us do that, let us do that. So I just put it into practice with him asking me a question about marriage. I just backed up, focused on Jesus, gave an exhortation to combine it with faith, and then I said, now as the result, we're going to encourage one another

to put this into practice. Excellent advice. I think that's a pretty good advice. I was thinking about when you, that unselfish passage or the point you made, you had those two passages, another good one that I used in that same vein because I agree 100% in marriage is Philippians 2, 1 through 5, where Paul was talking about the church, but he said when you look to one another's interest, you look to them before you look to yourself. And in marriage is the place where you need unselfishist the most.

and then he closes that section by saying your attitudes should be the same as that of Christ Jesus, which is back to your first point. But it also shows that Jesus's unselfish nature, and he was not married. And yet he was married because the church is his bride. And how much more unselfish could you be than him when he gave his life for us? So I would add that as well. Let's take a break. Well, yeah, these are the key pillars.

And I mean, I got the idea of doing that from this chapter 3.3. where we left off when it says Christ's faithful as a son of God's house. Now granted, he was given an argument that Jesus is better than Moses and that he's the builder of everything. He talked about God's house, but then all of a sudden he makes this practical illustration where he says, we are his house. We're housing the son of God. Yeah, one of the reasons these texts take on new meaning in lieu of

when Hebrews was written, probably mid-first century old writings, Jay. But today, fast forward, there's a reason, over 60% of all marriages end in divorce. Yeah. So you see the dangers of these texts when you say, if you don't apply them, 60% of the people, including preachers, they divorce. 85% of people in prison, you know where they came? A broken home. Broken home.

That's my point. So our culture today, when you read these texts, you talk about need to be put into practice. I mean, over 60% of the people, including preachers and this young guy like you're talking about, that just happened to him, his brother, whatever you said, his kin folks were broken. Yeah, and these are people in the church, which is my point. ramifications of that is very detrimental to anybody as a nation. This letter was written to Jewish Christians, and I think we've tried to explain the significance of that and then being drawn to their old ritualistic view of religion and lawkeeping.

But so many times I think in the church, you know, we just think that you just read a verse like Hebrews 13, 4, oh, don't do this. I mean, God will judge you. Keep that marriage bed pure. and they're like, well, how do I do that? I mean, it's just, it's a lot. Marriage is difficult.

I mean, I wrote in my closing remarks, I said, look, you're right. Because he said one of the reasons you reached out to me, he said, you seemingly have a dynamic marriage, and a lot of your family members do also, and I just want to know the reason for that. But I put this, I said, you're right, we do have a dynamic marriage. I said, but we focus on Jesus, we focus on sharing. Jesus. I said, and we're unselfish. I was like, I'm just telling you, that's how this is working.

I said, but I will say this. In the over 30 years, it has never been easy, and I capitalized never been easy. It's never been easy. By the way, you gave him that letter and you took the time to do it, but it's kudos to you. Encourage one another. He didn't say, make sure on Sundays when you meet, it's a daily, daily. People misunderstand that when you, you're, you know, people misunderstand that when you walk out of the church building on Sunday morning, you've got Monday coming up and you need to apply these principles and these admonitions daily. And you don't need to, you know, there can't be gaps in that because. And you throw in the fact that things change.

I mean, I'll look back in my life. But you may, that's a good point, Jay, is because nobody, I say it this way, nobody stands before the preacher or the justice of the peace and says your values. and your iddos. Nobody in that moment has any idea about going out and committing adultery against their spouse. In that moment, they're like, I'm committed. I'm going to do this. Yep. But what happens? Life happens. They're throwing rice and flowers in ever direction and smiles. In that moment, it's easy. But the minute you lead there and you start just living life, that's when stuff starts to happen

that then you have to have a basis. And if you don't, you're right, Jay's, if you don't know how, then you're going to fail when your first test comes. the way jace why you're there what if or what is it when you see people where there is no god no faith in god no because you're going to end up faith but what about the ones who are unbelievers and they were taught in high school yeah yeah yeah they're arguing about whether they're male or female and all this stuff that's going on in our culture would you say that to those people i wonder how their marriages are Well, I mean, I think some people make it work just because it's just an arrangement and they're not trying to kill each other. Or, you know, it's just, I mean, I've shared this before.

I have met non-Christians who seemingly have a pretty good marriage. And I'm one that can't keep my mouth shut. So I'm like, well, how does that, how does that work? And most of the times I've seen it where they've just lowered the bar on what they're trying to, accomplish, which is basically, you know, a financial arrangement and you have a sexual partner there. And their expectations are pretty low about making the world a better place or, you know, and so, you know, I think it's possible to get along and it happens.

I mean, I feel like it may be a gift from God, even though they're not acknowledging that. But for the most part, I mean, you said the number of people. I mean, if your children. And what I'm hearing on the golf course and in a card game and, you know, most husbands, especially non-Christians, are not talking favorably about their wife. I know. At all. That's right. It is just, she's just the butt of a joke.

And which is disturbing, you know, but you're not going to, don't be shocked. You can't. So, Jay, we do that, we do something similar. So we do a, you know, Ephesians 533. I like that idea about starting with the command. Ephesians 533, Paul concludes this segment, using marriage as an illustration about Christianity, by saying husbands love your wives,

you know, as to the Lord, and wives respect your husbands. And so you're like, okay, well, there it is. That's just pretty simple. I mean, just do it. I mean, you're commanded to love your wife. And I mean, and the wife is commanded to respect her husband. But then I always flip it,

Lisa and I do, and we do a presentation that says, but what would happen, I mean, how do we get to that point where that's easy and not difficult? So we take the whole thing and flip it, and Lisa does the whole thing with the ladies about what it looks like to be lovable. And she does it out of Proverbs 31. And then I do a whole thing about for men about what it looks like to be respectable out of Joe 31. And the idea there is if I'm being respectable, if I'm trying to be a respectable man of God, that's why I live my life every day to be more like Jesus. Then it's going to be pretty easy for her to respect me, which is what God can be. manner to do. But if I'm not acting or living respectfully, it's very hard for her to respect me.

The same thing for her. How lovable is she? Well, it depends on what she's loving. And if it's not Christ, and then she's hard to love. So you're still got the command, but you've got to live the results is the key. It is interesting that the Hebrew writer, and Jay's you can elaborate on this because it's a conundrum. We call these marriages broken when there's a divorce. We said these people, the children, these people came from broken family, broken, broken, broken. It is interesting that the Hebrew writer, for some reason, encourage one another daily as long as it's called and it's capitalized today.

Oh, yeah. What exactly is the thrust of that? Oh, no, I want to get into that. Well, I figured you would. That's just why I'm asking. That's a strange way to have an admonition. You said, do this daily, encourage one another, instead of discourage one another. Just think about it.

Make sure you discourage one another daily, you know, by the way you're operating would be the antithesis to encourage one another daily, as long as it's called today, and today is capitalized. Which is why now that you're seeing why I told that Andy Griffith story and the guy giving the bad advice when he said, don't do today, what you can do tomorrow. That was a setup for when we got to this point here. Because when you think about it, that's bad advice.

Let's take a break. Well, it's a quote from Psalm 95, but before we read it, I want to say, and I will answer you the question in time we got left, because I think it's, you've hit on a key point. You know, I wanted to reiterate about this idea about a command and what the basis is. Because look, there are commands. And what changes from a ritualistic standpoint to a relationship with God is your motivation.

I mean, we know the famous passage in Titus says grace of God teaches us to say no. Or Romans 12 in view of God's mercy to offer yourselves as, living sacrifices. But this was something Jesus foreshadowed in John 14 when he was talking about the Holy Spirit coming. And remember, this was right after he said, I'm the way, I'm the truth, I'm the life, you know, I'm preparing a place for you. And Thomas said, well, how do we know, how are we going to get there?

And he's like, I am the way. I am the truth. And he's like, but I'm not going to leave you as orphans. And I'm going to send you the spirit. And he will comfort you. But then all of a sudden, he gets into this in 14, 21, because I think it, reiterates what we're discussing here in Hebrews. Whoever has my commands and obeys them, he is the one who loves me.

And that's why I'm not, I'm using the term when I have five buddies who love Jesus, and I made this point in the email. That just sounds like a phrase, what they call Christianese. But I'm saying, I'm not talking about religious people. I'm not talking about guys who go to church. I'm not guys that I have a bunch of in common with. I'm talking about guys who, based on my observation of them, the number one thing that comes out is they love Jesus. And I'll give you an example, like the pastor that we had before, Trent Langhoeffer, who I have absolutely zero in common with.

I mean, he's a yuppie of yuppies. He's a workout guy. He uses words and phrases I've never heard of. He doesn't hunt fish or anything that I do. there's one thing about him that drew me to him. And I pursued him. I asked him to come with me on trips and events and I pursued friendship, had him over and eat.

He loves Jesus. It stands out in his message, in his sermon, in his talk. He literally loves Jesus. I'll tell you another person. He was a, by the way,

he was a drug addict before he became a preacher. Yeah. Tim Tebow is another guy. When I met him for the first time, I mean, I'm like, oh, he played football, he played for Florida. I was into all that.

in about five seconds after meeting him, it became clear to me, this man loves Jesus. He got a passion for Jesus. When he came to our house and stayed a couple days that did an event, oh, it went on from five seconds. Every minute, every person that walked in my house,

he made it really clear that he loves Jesus. Well, just me as a guy, who wants to have a happy marriage, who wants to make the world a better place, who realizes the struggles in life, I want these people around me. And so I'm making a point there, because I'm reading this, John 14,

he said, whoever has my commands, 21, and obeys them, he is the one who loves me. So he gets to verse 23 and says, if anyone loves me, he will obey my teaching. My father will love him, and we will come to him and make our heart.

home with him. So it reflects, it mirrors what is said in Hebrews 3, 6 when he said Christ is faithful as a son over God's house. The reason I'm making such a big deal about this is because it all starts in the home. You spend the most time there, we're responsible as men to lead this family to heaven and in ways that are productive in life. on acknowledging that Jesus, you're housing Jesus in your house, in this conversation with your wife, that you're supposedly as a reflection of you being married to Jesus, Ephesians 5.

Those are the moments where you stop what you're saying, and I've done it many times, and thought, what am I doing here? I am being completely selfish in whatever this argument is that has gone off the rails. These are the thoughts. When we're having a meal, a little small meal, I say, you all ready?

And everybody kind of stops. You have 10 people there or visitors there or no visitors there. It doesn't make any difference. We get up there. We're thankful for the food. We say, well, here's this food here. We're thankful.

We truly are. But then we say, in Jesus, we are thankful for what you did. You remove. There's always a, admonition to love Jesus. Then we're going to thank you for the food. Yeah.

And if people see that, and they're like, they're being thankful. Yeah. And they're mentioning Jesus their Lord. And it's in public, and they don't care who's standing there. Yeah. Well, it seems like a small thing. Yeah.

Well, I'm taking it a step further and even acknowledging, I mean, like my wife and I, people laugh at us, and even Trent, who I mentioned earlier, him and his wife, they laugh at us because my wife, we disagree in public. And we're fine with that. We say, Jay, we disagree in public. We will disagree in public. Look, passionately.

And people are so shocked because they're like, because most people want to portray an image of, we've got it all figured out and we agree. And, you know, we're running down the road, holding our, our kids' hands, you know, clicking our heels, and it's a beautiful day. And, you know, we, we tend to vent our problems and our disagreements. At least you're almost saying, the Lord, thank you for this food, but, you know, I don't know about this woman. I mean, she's.

Well, exactly. She's dead wrong on this point. And, you know, what would Jesus do? Hang on, Jason. Let's take a break. But my point is, look, we're flawed people and marriage is difficult. Getting along with a woman on an everyday basis for me has been the most difficult thing, adventure of my life. I had one admonition and all of you were together, you and the other three sons, and you're looking at me.

And I said, I always remember, boys, when God made a woman, he made a strange creature. I know. You imprinted that in my head. And there's a few other things that I've had to. I didn't say you don't love them. You love them. You take care of. I've had to kill the sacred cow advice many times.

My point is, you know, you don't want to come across like, this is not easy. There's a reason people are getting to voice. It's very difficult. And without Jesus, I'm not even sure how you can pull it off. But that's what we're discussing. But I think you can apply that to this system in all facets of life, not just marriage. You know, life is difficult in the moment. And he's trying to get you to see that this God that you're following is real and alive 24-7

and is perfectly aware of everything you're thinking, doing in any moment. So tap into that in this moment and say, well, wait a minute here. I'm housing Jesus Christ and the Holy Spirit. Who am I trying to kid? You can't just throw all your religion away when you're not in front of. I'm an ambassador for Jesus here. And your house turned into some kind of, you know, war. It just doesn't make any sense.

And your kids are going to see through it. And that's not going to work. So, Jay, I wasn't with you guys when you did three, one through six. But the one line I put down in my own personal notes was, focus on the builder, not the building or the structure. And I think that's in essence what makes it so great. And he uses Moses as the example of the building, the early building of the structure, because the whole idea about the people coming out of Israel was to start a process by which he would build a people on earth that would ultimately bring the Messiah. But also, he would bring

them law to show us that we can't keep law. So all that was part of the story. And that was part of the structure. And we've talked about it so many times. I mean, you could bring that forward to 2,000 years. And we said this is people are focusing on the building someplace instead of the builder, the one who built the actual house, which is us, not some wood. Exactly. Brick and mortar. Well, the reason I wanted to go through all this and the reason I agree, and we did talk about that, that same thought out in the podcast. All that was just an introduction because in chapter 3 verse 7 he says so and in some versions uh translations has therefore yeah but that's why what what you just depicted he's fixed to say something about yep he just said jesus i mean you know if you go back to

chapter one one and two he's now speaking through his son he Jesus considers us family he mentions at in chapter two he's he came here and humbled himself and became a human so that they might destroy him holds a power of death we went through that and free those who were held in slavery he's able to help us when we're tempted he's called us to heaven we have him in our bodies and he's like so so what and he quotes psalm 95 and it says so as the holy spirit says, which I do think is an interesting phrase. Very seldom in the Bible do you see that because a lot of people think, well, if I could just hear the Holy Spirit say something to me.

Well, he does. And when you read the Word of God, he is saying something. And he's fixed to. He wrote it down. I mean, that's what it says. He also says the same thing. And there's another place he uses this where he says the Holy Spirit testifies. I'll find it later.

So he says, today if you hear his voice, do not harden your hearts as you did in the rebellion during the time of testing in the desert, where your fathers tested and tried me and for 40 years saw what I did. That is why I was angry with that generation and said their hearts are always going astray and they have not known my way.

So I declared an oath in my anger. They shall never enter my rest. and then he goes what we read earlier on 12 and 13 and then he says verse 14 we have come to share in Christ if we hold firmly till the end the confidence we had at first and has just been said today if you hear his voice do not harden your hearts as you did it in the rebellion who were they who heard and rebelled were they not all those moses led out of egypt and with whom was he angry for 40 years was it not with those who sin with those bodies who fell in the desert and to whom did god swear that they would never enter his risk if not to those who disobeyed so we see that they were not able to enter because of their unbelief so what stands out to me more than anything is he's warning against so-called christians

jewish heritage of unbelief and hard hearts and don't be deceived by sin. Al, you want to add to that? No, I think you're exactly right. And I think, and again, if you go back, so that's Psalm 95. I was going to read the rest of it. I was going to read the rest of Psalm 95. It's pretty powerful.

Oh, it is powerful. He says in verse 1, come, let us sing for joy to the Lord. Let us shout aloud to the rock of our salvation, which is going back to this relationship thing. Here's David writing a song crying out. Let us come before him with Thanksgiving and extol him with music and song. For the Lord is the great God, the great king above all gods. In his hand are the depths of the earth and the mountain peaks that belong to him.

The sea is his for he made it and his hands formed the dry land. Come let us bow down and worship. Let us kneel before the Lord our maker for he is our God and we are the people of his pasture, the flock under his care. I mean, how intimate is this relationship he is describing? This great creator, designer of the universe and even us, but he's, I mean, he's like, we're the people of his pasture. Today, and then he, here's, here's the quote.

Here's the word. He's voice. Don't harden your hearts as you did at Marraba, which that means quarreling. This is why I brought up this marriage illustration. Yep. Because it's difficult. Life is difficult. Where your father's tested and tried me.

Oh, I skipped a part. As you did that day at Massa, which you know what that means, testing. Though they had seen what I did, for 40 years I was angry with that generation, I said they are a people whose hearts go astray, and they have not known my way. So I declared on oath in my anger, they shall never enter my rest. And the only thing I'll say for, I'll get y'all's comment, is that you remember when Jesus was baptized and he had no sin, and God declared him the son of God,

he was proud of him and whom he loved. And then what happened? The spirit carried him to the wilderness. Well, that's what happens. Look, in life, in marriage, in us, when we declare Jesus as Lord. I mean, life is a wilderness. It is a lot of temptation,

which he just talked about in chapter 3. There's a lot of testing. And in this case, they were tempted to go back to the ritualistic form of religion because it's more comfortable. It's more comfortable just to put it in a package and not have it interfere

with your everyday life. But Jesus takes it to the next level. God wanted to save us completely. and have something for us to speak for daily on a daily basis. And I think that's what he's addressing here. I think you're right. And I think in the overtime, we should explore that as well as this idea about looking back because I've got an interesting thought I want to make about that.

So we're about to go to overtime. If you hadn't followed us over before, it's really more discussion of this text and what we're talking about, Blashty.com slash unashamed is how you'll get there to be able to catch our overtime segment. So we'll flesh this thought out a little bit more from the end of Hebrews chapter 3 in our overtime. We'll see you there. Thanks for listening to the Unashamed podcast. Help us out by rating us on iTunes.

And don't miss an episode by subscribing on YouTube and be sure to click that little bell to get notified about new episodes. And for even more content that you won't get anywhere else, subscribe to Blaze TV at blazedtv.com slash unashamed.