Unashamed with the Robertson Family - Ep 507 | Phil Prepares for Duck Season & Jase Reveals the Most Powerful Position in a Relationship

Episode Date: July 6, 2022

Phil reviews his preparation for this upcoming duck season and is thankful that God planted duck food for him this year. Phil talks about taking care of the land and being a good steward of the Earth God gave us to live on. Jase shares the most powerful position in a relationship, and Phil discusses the narcotics problem in the United States. Al discusses how the new covenant between God and mankind is a time of rest and how salvation cannot be obtained by obedience. And Jase talks about sacrificial love and what that really looks like inside relationships. Watch the Unashamed overtime show, only on BlazeTV: https://BlazeTV.com/Unashamed - Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

I am unashamed. What about you? You've got the thing now in place, the heavy rocks, concrete. Some old guy had a backyard full of a big old pile of that concrete. You know, some of them was like... Dude, I have no idea what you know, my concrete. The dump. Oh, yo. The dump.

You built a new dump. Oh, yeah. Because the... I heard about it. Backwater. When you see it, yeah. When you see it, you're going to... say good grief oh so but i said what are we going to talk about feels like yeah i need some money

for some i need a little bit of cash slice one way i'm out about 24 000 oh slash three ways each man pays about eight yeah and that's softer blow that but i mean i don't know why i ought to pay for all it it's on their land i mean you know i let them put it in their name you know so that seems like a lot To fix a dump. I think we get involved, we may get involved in it. Well, if you'd have seen the blowout down there, you'd have said, okay, we're going to have to beef his thing up. We need more. We need big rocks.

But Donnie Sanders, one of the guys I converted, he lives over here, you know. He's a pipeline welder. I said, I'm not going to try a Jake Leg. So I got the pipeline welder down in there everywhere, but I knew everything would be whole. What you know is? Now I got Jason instead of one, four. 48 inch pipe that drains it. If you get a big enough rain, there's not enough drain it's through one pipe,

and it just breached it. That's what happened like that. But I didn't have the rocks on it or anything. Now, I got rocks on both sides of the thing, and we've got two pipes about 48 inches. So I can, twice as much water can come up underneath that thing and flowing out through down down to the river. So the rocks keep the earth from blowing out.

That's it. Which I've seen it all over the place when you see it's something to build a dam or levee. Oh, yeah. So we've got it all. It rained on us twice during that, so it's pretty muddy down and out now, but I'll have it just smooth as a baby. So will the beavers go in and try to dam it up? Is that the next move?

They've not attempted to mess with it at all so far, but I don't. I bet they're meeting about it. it. They probably already have a pre- We've got, we're ahead of them, but I mean, as far as just holding four to 12 inches of water up there on it, all that

grass has come up now where we made the duck hole. Oh, it's a prettiest thing. Jason, you ought to see it now. Oh, did you look at you? This was the one you... They're going to hit that. This is the one you had the vision for,

the grass perry. What's y'all planting? Well, most of the feed that's up that's coming up, the natural grass, ducks can eat it. It's got smart weed. It's got, it's got, it's got, uh, that sounded like nothing.

The almighty's grass when we, when we, the one I looked at in the 60s, it was sprinkletop. It was all sprangletop and the water was on it about that deep. And they were just, there's 10,000 ducks there on this same river, right up above us. So dad,

when I spoke a few weeks ago at a conservative environmental conference, which was interesting. It's one of the most interesting ask I've ever been asked to speak at. But they asked me, they said, can you speak to how hunters and fishermen, you know, feel about conservation? I was like, well, absolutely, because we're all about it. We're all about clean water. We're all about building habitat for game. So that's what I talked about. But I talked about your vision and how that that ended our series in the woods with Phil, that last episode we did, was about you seeing that land 60 years ago and saying, you know what, I have a vision for the, so my thing to the, and all these people in the room was really interesting because they were all under 30.

I mean, there were a lot of people in that room, but they were all under 30. So they have a real desire to take care of the planet. And, of course, I went biblical. I said, well, y'all know we're Bible guys. So I went back to... You tell them about planting cypress trees? Yeah, I told them about the whole. vision for the property. In fact, I showed him a picture of this one that's off our set here

about our hunting property. And I was like, that's dad's vision and now his son's vision for having this habitat. We're taking care of it because we want to, we want God's natural things to happen here. So I'm all about it. But I told him, I said, you know, when Adam was put in the garden, before he was a husband, before he was a father, before all the things that the first man did, His first command from the Almighty was take care of what I gave. So I said, you know, conservation has been around literally since the beginning. Yeah, I actually, you know, Willie did his sportsman's camp. Oh, yeah, I was going to ask you how that went.

Well, the last time I went out there, because I think I spoke at it every year. I mean, that was like 15 or 20 guys, young guys. Yeah. So I didn't pay that any mind. I mean, fortunately, one of Willie's assistants or workers sent me a text and said, you remember you speaking tonight, right? And I was like, speaking where? So, because it would have.

That's why you got the assistants around, just to remind you when you're speaking. They're like, oh, I'd have kept. So I thought, oh, yeah, that little bit. I got news of it. I got news of it three hours before. Well, they said you had spoken there. And so, well, I went, well, I was stunned. It was a lot of people, a lot, they pretty well full.

Yeah, it was a bunch of kids again. I was there the last night, Phil, you spoke a couple nights before me. And so a lot of their families were there, too. So it was a packed house. So I was looking around, I was like, oh, so I'm, so you want me to, I mean, it turned into a speech, but it hit me, like, through the process. Because I thought, well, I'll just do a Q&A thing, but they, they just wouldn't let it happened.

Willie's like, I'll introduce you. I was like, introduce me. I gave a duck call demonstration. I did too, but they asked, like, I did. I talked about 30 minutes, and then I opened it up for Q&A, and it was all duck call questions. Really? 100%.

Oh, yeah, everything that you can imagine, which was fun. I mean, duck calls, it is fun. But that's what I was going to say by the conservation. I mean, there was a lot of different elements out there from turkey hunters to people who work with the land. And had some young guy made me a slingshot. He's an expert slingshot maker and shooter. Yeah. And just anything, you know, around outdoors and hunting.

I actually enjoyed it. It was really good. Well, and that was, that's my point just like that. because the point of the camp is to teach kids who may or may not know a lot about the outdoors. There's so much to enjoy what God has given us. And that means you take care of it. You replenish. You're making sure that future generation, I mean, the whole purpose of this property over here,

dad was, I mean, one time we hunted over here, we own none of this property. And we were given the opportunity to hunt some of it by lease. But now, because of godly success, we've been able, y'all have been able to purchase a lot of this land, but the idea is that we want this available for Jason's kids, for my kids, for my grandkids. And the idea is we want them to enjoy what God has given us for the future. My thing was with the environmental stuff is what I was so impressed with these young people was they have an organization that they're saying that's conservative.

In other words, we don't want to bankrupt our economy over some of these green new deals and all this stuff that doesn't even make any sense. But we are about conservation and taking care of the planet. We just want to do it the right way. So I was, my, like, hey, I tip my hat to you young people. I mean, you're going to be, this is your planet. I mean, we're going to be gone, you know, for long. Yeah, yeah, I think, I mean, my whole speech was around the design that we enjoy

because we enjoy the design. And you have to, of course, I did my usual, how'd you get here, right? You know, what are you doing here? Why are you here? And how are you leaving? which it was disturbing, you know, before, well, I mean, I'll finish that thought. But, you know, so I went to the design, points you to a design. I went to Genesis 9.

Yep. I was kind of asking them, where in the Bible? I was just seeing what I was working with. Right. They hadn't been reading their Bible. So I took that to me, let me give them, make sure they get Jesus here. Right. And they brought, by the way, they brought a lot of them to the Lord that was out there.

And these aren't, weren't little. kids. They were... These are teenagers. I would say, I mean, 15 to 25. That's about... Yeah. That was the age group. One of them I recommended rather adamantly.

I told them, said, listen, don't order any pharmaceuticals off the internet. It says, this is a percassette. This will make you feel better all day. I said, don't order that. don't take that. Why would you tell him that? Because these kids are thinking they're buying one thing. Oh, yeah.

Oh, I know. Well, I know it's just kind of a weird thing. I'll warn them. I said, don't be order stuff. Oh, you just said it in your speech. Yeah, I said that you don't know exactly what it is. I said, I only say that because over 100,000 people, your age died last year for taking this stuff.

over 100,000. Well, after my speech, one of them young bucks went up there, he said, I was one of them people that died. I said, well, you're still kicking now. He said, they brought me back to life. Wow. I quit breathing about three times.

Wow. And he said, he looked at me, you know, and he said, you've saved my life. And he had you. I didn't actually say he was life, but he would just say it. If I had known what was fixing to happen to me, I would have taken your advice and not get on the problem. That's fantastic.

I'm so glad you brought it up then. It was my icebreaker. I said, I heard y'all had some speakers out here. I was like, so what did y'all learn? You know, because they name them. They said, well, your dad spoke. I said, what did y'all learn? So I made them raise their hand.

So I said, you know, I called on the guy and he said, follow Jesus. So that was good. That's what he said about you. So I said, well, when Si, because they had Si out there, I said, I didn't know he was doing this tour. And I said, what did y'all learn from Sai? So the guy raised his hand. He said, don't do crack. I said, at least you got something.

And I'll agree with that. Don't do crack. Do you think he meant because he was wondering if Uncle Sai had done it in the past or he was just saying that that was Saia's message? I wasn't there. And so then I said, who else spoke? They said, well, Gawin spoke. And I said, what did y'all learn? And the guy said, speak clearly.

I thought that was hilarious. I said, did they have subtitles up there while it was. I did my famous impersonation of Gawin. He's like trying to crank a chains off on the cold morning. It's just like, what are you all doing here? So I thought you'd get a kick out of that. That's pretty funny. Brought that up.

Now, I love the idea because the concept was, so we have a camp here that we've talked about for Campioka. It's been around for over 60 years. And now Willie's son runs it, which is really the fourth generation because his great-grandfather started it, which is pretty cool. And so now, I mean, not only do we have a lot of kids come from all over the country to go to summer camp, which is basically a Christian, you know, setting, but then also they expanded that into hunting, but also with Christianity. which is the whole point. You don't have, there's no separation of sportsmen and hunting and Christianity for us. It's all the same. It's just what we do, what we like to do, and what you like to teach.

I mean, the one thing about it, Dad, from the beginning, whether you planned on this or not, the Almighty has always used you to impact people. And we've talked about for when you were in the world, you impacted it, but now you have an opportunity to teach people the right way, but also how to use a duck call and, you know, everything else. So that's a blessing. One of the things Willie brought up on this movie they're making, you know, about my life. One of the things he brought up, he said he thought maybe they were a little too hard. I never got drunk that I remember in front of y'all, drinking at home.

Right. There were no liquor at the house. No. So Willie was talking about the times, you know, when there was no drinking. He said, you know, there was a side. I think you would come home some. Oh, come home. Drunkers' Hoodie Brown.

Right. Yeah, there was something down. I wasn't getting drunk in front of y'all while I was trying to get. You were trying, yeah. Yeah. I want to address that. Hang on. Let's take a break.

Well, it was pretty dark. Yeah, and I agree, Dad, because it's, and again, from a perspective of someone making a film, they tend to highlight. more one way than the other because they're trying to create the situation. Yeah. It was a bad situation. And then you became what you've now become. But you're right.

I mean, I've said before, Dad, that you, I mean, looking back on it from my perspective, I mean, I always thought you were,

even though you weren't living the way you're supposed to live, you were always pretty fair-minded with us. And I have a lot of good memories from that era. They're not all bad. But Will was sad. He wants them to do something about that before it's presented, so I don't know. Yeah.

Well, it's always interesting to see how it works making a movie. So just to remember when you watch a movie, based on a true story, there's always a bit of interpretation by the people making. Most of those movies, they put, you know, some scenes have been dramatized, whatever. The making of this. Well, number one, I don't think anybody remembers exactly what happened. Right. You know, you're, if you tried to make me sign something saying this is exactly what that.

Well, the script for this movie was written. by the memories of you, mom, me, people who lived it. Yeah. So, you know, we're all working off of our memories of it, but I was a kid, you know, and so Jason Willie were really, too. I hadn't even thought about it until Willie brought it up, and I thought, well, he's got a point there. But he was a little younger. Yeah, he wouldn't remember quite as much.

I said, I mean, what your mama told him. Yeah, I said, because I mean, I do remember a few moments that were. Yeah, yeah, I was like, okay. So, I mean, but when you're trying to go back and make a movie, you're trying to, you're trying to make something that was going on for years, you're putting it in two hours. Right. So you're not going to get it all.

You're going to pick usually the big moments. Right. And dramatize. I have no idea what the audience will think about that film. Well, based on what we, just the very smidget that we've seen, I think it's going to be very powerful that because you got to realize you've got a lot of people out there who are, not only will see this film, but also follow. us that basically have lived the way you did and worse.

Yeah. And so what they're looking for is can I be better? Can I change? Can my family make it? Those are the bigger questions. And the answer to all of that is yes. And that's the proof of it. I mean, you're 70.

It's proof you can go from center to saint. That's right. I hope there is. Yeah. I mean, that's what we've been talking about for the last four years on this podcast. But look, Dad, the reason I know it's true is because I tell people that my dad bad went from one of the most rank heathens in south arkansas north louisiana to john the baptist seemingly overnight yeah and so you reached a lot of well yeah i mean when you look back on

it but i mean we're here i don't know where we left off but the passage that's making this coming to my mind here today as we're talking about this is that hebrews four 12 and following and i think that's where we left off somewhere in there i mean you don't want to get so bogg down in the verse by verse paragraph by paragraph of the Bible that you you remember our overall outline about Jesus is better in the first 10 chapters for a variety of reasons. And he had just made this example back to when, you know, they had this wilderness moment and they've been led to find rest and how that translates to us today, which is pretty cool. Plus, y'all got to talk about that rest, you know.

We weren't talking about it. It just, it came up. It came up. It's something else that we didn't mention the other day. But I jotted down, beginning in, and we can look into it as we go further. This is just a little update. Well, look, while you're looking for it, just, I never finished. my thought there what i was going to say is we were talking about your old your old man and how that was

portrayed on a movie but the verse i wanted to read here it says the word of god is living and active it's sharper than any sword it penetrates even to dividing soul and spirit joints marrow it judges the thoughts and attitudes of the heart nothing in all creation is hidden from God's sight. Everything is uncovered and lay bare before the eyes of him to whom we must give account. So my point was though, you know, we can't remember and things are fuzzy and you get things wrong and but even that we try to play out in our lives sometimes like we're one way when we're another and here you have this. I mean right in the middle of this, these Jewish Christians thinking about chunking Jesus and going back to the

their kind of their nationalistic religion, God knows the heart. God knew your heart, baked it. He was fully aware of every, his memory is not clouded. That's my point. He's fully aware of what your intentions are, what you've done, what you're doing, what you will do, why you're doing it. To add to your point, we didn't mention it. But beginning in, but this is throughout the book of Hebrews at key places it's mentioned. like Hebrews 2, you can go right over some of these things,

and you won't even realize it. In putting everything under Him, God lists the Hebrews 2. Go up to verse 8. God left nothing that is not subject to him. Yet at present, we do not see everything subject to him. We're still at the phase where we have to cross over. When we die, our spirit's alive, our body's in the ground, and then Jesus is coming back, and everything is.

cleared up. But we see Jesus, but until that happens, the return of Jesus and it's over, in judgment and that, who was made a little lower than the angels, now crowned with glory and honor because he suffered death. And the statement is, and I jotted down each place in the Bible in Hebrews where this comes up. So that by the grace of God, He might taste death for everyone. So that's the first time in the book of Hebrews that grace has mentioned. Unmerited favor in this place of rest you can go and redeem from the law. No, it's a good point.

You're right. That's where you find rest in the grace of God. That's right. So when I read that, I said, well, that's when he starts. When you get to Hebrews 4, let us then approach the throne of grace with common. with confidence so that we may receive mercy and find grace to help us in our time and aid. And the final word, after we go through the rest of it, the final word is interesting in the book of Hebrews.

The last thing the Hebrew writer said, the last thing, chapter 13 verse 25, grace be with you all. Well, that happens a lot. So it's about seven times in the, in the, in the, in the, in the, you all. in Hebrews that grace is mentioned at key times. Because if you're not careful, you'll look at how the law was and all, but you'll kind of misunderstand that this is a gift. Yeah. And it is free.

Right. And you can't work. Almost every letter in the New Testament begins with the gospel being quickly brought up. Yep. And then it ends with grace. Right. It's somewhere in the last two or three verses. You are correct.

So I just thought to mention that as we get to those basic. verses on grace, be thankful to God Almighty that he was full of grace is all I can say. Well, Jay, since I was gone some of the last few podcasts, and so I missed out a little bit of what you talked about with Zach and you guys, I just wanted to do a quick little catch-up to where we are, which will help me then get back locked in where we are. Because eventually I won't talk about. That's where we left off. We went through 4-11.

So I want to mention this about the concept on the rest, because I always thought it was interesting that, and Jason, I think you mentioned this early when we started the book of Hebrews. The Hebrew writer is a very smart, crafty person in how they present arguments. And so I love the way that he went to the concept of rest, but he did it in the context of the Promised Land, which we talked about this before. Remember this section that starts in chapter three and in. It's a fine line the way the Hebrew writer presented between grace and what you're discussing. Exactly.

And he does it in the framework that he understands from the Jewish mindset, it was all about obedience. Yep. And not a lot about faith and grace. It's about works. And so he keeps going back to this concept and trying to bring this forward. So I thought it was interesting because there's really, I don't know if y'all talked about this, but there's four different concepts biblically of rest that we see. One is this idea at the beginning when the creation, you know, it says he on the seventh day, he rested and committed this idea of Sabbath. Well, we know he's not telling me he took a day off because he's God.

Yep. He sustains the universe. Yeah, we brought it up. Yeah. So that was one. Let's take a break. The second one was this concept that he compared the promised land to a land of rest. He called it milk and honey.

Again, it didn't mean they weren't going to be doing things because they had to go in and they had to set up shop. You know, he destroyed their enemies before him. Then Jesus talks about it with Matthew 11 the last time I was on, the idea that when the new covenant comes, It's a time of rest. Again, not meaning that you don't do stuff. We're living our lives every day. We're created to do good works. The idea is that you can't achieve or attain salvation by your obedience.

It can't be earned about work. It can not be earned. It's God's a provider. He's the one. If you had somebody providing you bread or manna, you know, quail, water. Well, it's not about the, it's not about that. It's about who's providing it. It's not like you need this.

It's always, you know, when we brought up in Hebrews too about the purpose of miracles and signs and wonders. If you're chasing those while you're here on earth, you're neglecting the one who has the power to do them. That's more important. Right. If you're in good position with him, he provides. It's not about you. And the fourth one, and the fourth concept of rest that we see is the idea about he. eternal life. In other words, heaven is that last point of what he would call rest.

And meaning that then you realize it, here's what was interesting. And I don't know if you guys talked about this before. Every aspect of what I just mentioned, Jesus was there. Yeah. All four examples of the, in other words, he was there in the creation, John 1-1. He was even there in the idea when they were going into Canaan. I don't know if you remember this, but I think it's Joshua chapter five. Joshua was getting ready to do. go in and God's going to give him Jericho and he's going to give him the land. And all of a sudden it says the commander of the Lord's army. We've never seen that before. Some person shows up and talks to Joshua about what he's supposed to do. He's here's what we're going to do and he lays

it all out. I thought that was really interesting that there was a direct envoy. Now, who was that? Was it the presence of Jesus early? Was it, you know, an angel? I don't know. But when I'm saying is marching orders for Canaan even came from the Almighty. It came from Jesus. Then Jesus was there obviously when the new covenant was ushered in. And guess who's going to be there to take us into eternity who said he's coming back to get us? So every aspect of rest throughout the entire Bible, rest, grace, faith. Jesus is always present. Which I found that to be a powerful point because when he gets to verse 12, Jays, it shows you that his point, the Hebrew writer's point is this has always been this way for you to get what it is now.

That's why he brings up the idea about the word. It made me think about this. I wrote this down. I heard this somewhere. Because when I first heard it, the reason I wrote this is why I wrote it down. Because it was a guy preaching, and he was like loving,

how many loving relationships do you have that make you miserable? And I thought, what does that mean? I mean, you love that. the key. I was thinking, why are you saying that there's loving relationships that are miserable? Because his point was that Jesus, the reason he's better is because he's unconditional. You know, the grace we're talking about it, it's not conditional. But he gave five illustrations on how we are miserable, even in our, now, I mean, you take Jesus out of the equation.

You know, I don't know how you do it. But even if you have, have a relationship. The most unhappy people. The most unhappy people I've ever listened to or observed on planet Earth are the people, any way you want to slice it, the people without Jesus. They are just not happy. But look, so here's what he did. He said, well, and he said, I'll show you how we do it.

He's like, because what happens is no matter what you say, the reason, you know, we're humans, we're flawed, we will love the first one was we'll love for our own sake and it's like you feel like what am i getting out of this i mean i immediately kind of took it to the marriage context because it's easier to see it because you're like you could be you know looking to be sacrificial and unselfish all day but at the end of the day you're like i mean you would think that this would mean, you know, that I would, this would go both ways. You'd be loving me back, you know, or be unselfish back. So that was one we love for our own sake.

The second one is we have a hard time expressing it, which is true. It's like, but his point was these loving relationships, they make you miserable. A lot of people, they just have a hard time, especially telling their wife, you know, they love them. or how to express that. Because when you look at how Jesus, if you put him as the author of our relationships here, well, he didn't do this for his own sake. He didn't have a problem expressing his love.

We're still talking about 2,000 years later. Well, before you move on, just I want to inject a point because look, right here in my notes, I put the word marriage because I see exactly when he starts in Hebrews chapter 4 what Jason was just talking about. I think marriage is a great illustration of what happens. happens when you enter in a covenant relationship. But if you don't, you don't do it with faith and grace in the relationship. You only do it because you're obeying a list. In other words, if the

preacher says, I promise to have it a whole from this day forward in sickness and health and prosperity and wealth and good, you know, you've heard the vows and what preachers say and what I've said. But if you were only entering that marriage covenant to then obey that list that you were given, will it work? Or will it work well? The answer is no. In other words, in your thing you did before, Jay, is about marriage, things change, things happen.

And if you don't have faith in this relationship and in this person, you'll walk away. You know what you'll say? You know what I'm married the wrong person. A mighty throne. Well, that's where I was getting. Look, you can be involved in loving relationships and be miserable. Now, some of these of your own doing, but some of them, like what you're, what you're talking about, they, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're,

is no answer. You'll see. I'll be, I'll jump to the last one because what's, what's miserable about love and relationships on earth, they end. People die. Well, you're miserable because you miss your mate, you know, your best friend or whatever. There's going to be some misery involved, no matter how well it is based on love. It's just the nature. That's why when you talk about Jesus is better. Well, he has that answer also. But I'll just give these couple. I thought it was interesting.

You know, most time when you hear that, it's like we're trying to get people involved in loving relationships, one with God and their family and their wife or husband, you know, their friendships. But you've got to remember that it's still going to cause problems because just our weakness, which he's going to get into in chapter four. were weep because of these reasons. I mean, things happen. It's kind of the whole point.

Hang on, let's take another break. So the third one is, you know, mutually, it's not mutual sometimes, and it can go both ways. I mean, look, especially when you become famous. I mean, there's people that some people love us, but you get around them, and you're like, I'm not even sure I like this person.

You know, well, it must be frustrating for them, but you see what I mean? I mean, it's not, you expect something to be mutual when in reality, it's just not. And look, there's a reason 60% of people get divorced, you know what I mean? Somebody's like, I love you. And there are other ones like, I don't. Right. I mean, which it is just a decision.

But I'm only just saying that this is in the real world. This is kind of how we do. And that's why I think it causes me. but it also is why we should focus on Jesus because in all these aspects of it he's the ultimate he's it's it's awesome how he portrayed his his faith in us and I mean like trust to do this for us he expressed it in in love he did he didn't he could have done a lot of things that we would have said okay I can understand it but he just he wasn't expecting anything ever in turn he didn't have a problem expressing it he answered the part about this being you know having to say goodbye and then i had one that phil mentioned a version of but we feel like that in every love and relationship part of the part that makes us miserable is if it doesn't have happiness at the end we feel like it's a failure yeah but you know look yeah i have a special needs kid i mean we were

talking about this before we started i mean a lot of her life has been very miserable. I mean, we've done everything we can. We've used every resource necessary. But it's not going to result in having it. And many of them say, why would God do that to her? Well, and they're blaming the wrong person. Right. But, you know, because it's like going back to the wilderness and finding this, you find rest in all these difficult situations. And there's evil in the world and there's attacks happen every day and people die. But when you, when you, when you, you insert Jesus into these aspects that I just mentioned of relationships, that's why it is better. They are eternal. They're not, he doesn't, he never promises you, you know, that you're

going to be happy every day. He doesn't, that's what the world does. They're like, oh, if you do this, you'll be happy. Well, sometimes it's just, we're not happy about this, but we have an inner peace and a rest in us because we know ultimately this is part of our reliance on God. Because I think that's what it gets down to. Yeah. Now, I agree. And a big part of that point, Jase, is that this book is written, and we see it here in chapter 4 at the beginning, as a warning.

Oh. I mean, he keeps over and over, he gives a warning. It demands a person's faith. That's right. I mean, it demands faith. That's what he keeps warning about. Because, you know, in the first couple of verses in chapter four, he said, let us be careful in verse one, that none of you should be found to have fallen short of this idea of grace. For we also have preached, the gospel has been preached to us just as they did, but the message they heard was of no value because those who heard it didn't combine it with faith.

So to Jason's point earlier, I think that's a great illustration because to have value in something, you have to believe in it. And if you don't believe in it and you're only doing it because you're being made to do it, then you'll either be miserable because you feel like you're being forced or you won't have any joy that comes as a result of it. And who would want that with any relationship? Exactly. I think I wrote down somewhere why people, why I thought people go to church, which I know you can't go, but some people, let's face it, they just go.

And I wrote down why they go. Now, y'all might can think of some other. Why do people get involved in church? I did it because based on what Hebrews 3,4, to finish my thought about Jesus is the reason, 3, 4 through 6, where it says, we are his house. We house this Christ. So if we're going to the house of the Lord, as they say in the religious world, welcome to the house of the Lord. I've got joy, you know. But we're housing this awesome.

son of God in us, according to Hebrews 3,6. So when you say, why do I get involved? I mean, Jesus is the ultimate reason, which is what is trying to share with them? It's the relational, personal aspect of this. So I wrote down, number one, old age, because a lot of churches I see just when I drive by, older people are coming out of them.

And I think, I know why. because they realize we ain't got long. Time is short. It is an option. All right. Number two, I didn't read this anywhere. I just wrote them down. Kids, because I see families who the husband and wife may be, you know,

going out there living like whatever. And all of a sudden you have a kid and you think, now I'm going to get this right. We're not going to make the same. mistakes, you know, with our kid. And so, so you see that. You see a lot of family because they want their kids getting things in their brains that's going to help them.

I think some people go there to try to get a date. I've just had many people say that. Then I'll see somebody in there that you wouldn't think would be in church. And I'm like, well, what are you doing here? I'm just like, well, looking for a date. Not that there's anything. No. I mean, if I was going to.

It's better than a bar, you know. Better than a bar. Much better. Some people work. That's how they earn their living. There's nothing wrong with these things, by the way. I'm just saying, when you think, why do people get involved in church? I think with some people, it's a legacy because their parents went.

Generational. They're like, where are going? They went, and a lot of them, they'll go to the same one and sit in the same seat for years. they bring another seat in but they're going to sit in the right general area I think some people I put duty I think some people believe that

they just have a duty to go be involved you know based on the and I think I see some of that in the Jewish heritage here where they feel like there's a process that you repeat over and over

and you're involved in I do think this is kind of like the old age I do think some people go because it's like an insurance policy. Just in case there's something to this, I'll be involved to some degree in case it's real. So I can say I was there. Yeah. Hang on for the last, stay the last break.

The last thing I put was emotions because I just think, you know, people, the world is so mean and so difficult. and people make emotional decisions to say, you know, it makes me feel better to try to get some answers. So that's, I mean, did I leave any out? Well, the one you didn't mention and lashed, some people go because they have faith. Well, exactly. I was leaving that out. That's why they're there, which is. It's a relational.

Well, that's the. That's what the Hebrew writer said is you don't want to fall short of that. Well, in all these things, you're hoping, because I'm just glad they're there. And I was looking at it from, I was just being real. A lot of people, they just show up, you know, and these are the reasons they're showing up. It's not because they have a living, active, vibrant relationship with God. This is. Being careful that none of you are, be found to have.

have fallen short of entering his rest, faith. They miss it because their faith's not there. Well, if you're going to meet with the brothers, I think is what Jason's point is. You need to be spurred on. Well, I think you need to ask yourself, why am I here? By grace and faith. Why am I doing that? Because I think a lot of people, Jay, is another thing to add to the list is that they hope

they can find something there. In other words, because I have a lot of people say, you know, I'm looking for what they already have. Well, right. That's a good one to add. I need to, you know, I want to get my life right. And so they'll say, they'll use these words, they'll say, you know, I need to, I know I need to get back to church. Yeah.

Meaning that just that alone is somehow. And again. Which would be better. It would be better. Nothing. And you may find it there. They say get back in is what they tell you. Right.

And you say, wait a minute. You are it. Yeah. Yeah. You never really got out unless you didn't have a relationship with Jesus to begin with, which is kind of to the whole point of what we're talking about. I couldn't agree more. That's another great old. which, by the way, it's the same illustration that Paul uses about the church is in a marriage relationship to the Christ.

So if he's the bride and we're the bridegroom, that's why in a marriage, the relationship has to happen. Pretty close relationship. Pretty close. And it's the same exact one. But if you're only doing it because you feel like you have to, then it's really going to be a pretty miserable existence. I agree. That was my closing invitation at the sportsman's. I think what are going to

Sportsman's camp Yeah, sportsman's camp Because, I mean, I think The reason God chose grace To Phil's point earlier Is because you're now doing something Because you want to And look, that is the most powerful position

It is Because when you're doing something Because you have to, oh man, guilt And just misery grumpy grumpiness you know I remember just suffer through it as a kid you know I gotta do this boy why because I said so oh just I don't like this system you know reminds me of Jay's every year on April the 15th I have to pay my taxes yeah and look I was even told like Jesus said give to

Caesar with Caesar so I mean I'm commanded Jesus said do it so I have to do it I do it but I'm tell you tell you something, I am miserable. I don't enjoy it. I don't feel good about it. I'm not happy about it. It's strictly because I have to do it. And if I approach my relationship with my Lord or my wife or my children the same way, I would be a miserable person.

Exactly. But I tell you this, that's why I think there's so much in Hebrews about heaven, too. And, you know, the analogy I use, and I didn't come up with that one about these, the loving relationships that make you miserable, which it was intended to be. a comedy. You know, they were, the people when that was delivered, they were laughing at themselves. I've looked back in time before, Jace, and I said, you know what would be really good? Those old guys and gals, they all came from Europe and wherever, and they came to the United States of America. And there is no IRS, like the money change is taking your money out. Look, we're all just going across

the country. Helping people that needed. And there's nobody after you money. Maybe some robbers, but you say you're not paying anything to anybody. There's no government structure. You're just kind of going out into the wilderness saying, let's go to we find a good spot

to become part of it. And there were a lot of godly people in that venture to settle the country. A lot of godly people. Right. What I was going to say, though, but very few rules. Think about it.

What I was going to say, though, it is frustrating, you know, relationships and life and, I mean, there's evil in this world. It's frustrating. But where I got this from about this, these loving relationships that are miserable, they made an analogy at the end that says, you know, the reason this is a problem, and the reason, you know, that we're, that we're weak is because in all these relationships, it's just so difficult for us to be 100% unselfish. It is. We'll do something really nice,

and then we'll five minutes later think, well, I did something really nice. What you got for me here? I mean, that's just the way we're wired. But they made an analogy that said, you know, we're like beach whales, though. If we were in an environment, ultimately heaven, when you're with God

and with other people who have, you know, surrendered their will to God. And in reference of Philippians 3, 20, and 21, you know, our citizenship is in heaven. When you look at that, the possibility of being in that environment, where there is no misery, there's no tears,

there's none of this selfish angle, I really think it makes you put things in perspective here and be a little more patient, a little more, you know, forgiving. And you're just not going to, to check all the boxes. Yeah. Because that's where we're getting to in Hebrews, four and five.

I mean, he helps us in our weakness. He was tempted in every way, yet that's what he's laying the foundation to do. Because no matter how active you are, how involved, even if you get it right personally with God, there's still struggles. That's right. It's just like a daily, it's a daily grind that even if you're doing the right things, look, there's some misery that is going to come. And again, it's the notion behind it.

So, you know, the reason I have such a hard time, you know, don't feel great about paying taxes, I'm not sure exactly where all that's going to work itself. I don't have a lot of confidence in the people in charge that are taking that money. But six months later, every early October at our church, we have a thing called we call One Kingdom Sunday, which goes to works like Isaac Day and, you know, bowls, people we've had on here. And you know what? I write a big check every year. But you know what?

I'm excited about it. I can't wait for it to get to them. I can't wait to see what they're going to do with it. So what's the difference? I'm writing a big check to people that are going to use it for something. But one I feel really good about and excited, one I don't. The reason is because the fruit that comes from Jesus, giving him everything, is always going to be good. You don't have to worry about it.

I mean, you don't feel bad about it. It's not a bad relationship. So I think that becomes the key as we look at this text, don't you know what I? That makes me think of that, Mark, you know, when they came, you know, the Pharisees and the Herodians, which I think politically, they were at two different spectrums, and they tried to get Jesus, you know, on the hook for politically. Because, I mean, this is, you remember what happened.

This was right after he went in and overturned the tables. And so, because, you know, when I started. studied this, he was basically following the same pattern that every other revolutionary follows, which is you get you a following, you go around, you start talking about taking care of the poor and the injustice and the downtriding, and he's talking about the kingdom of God. So they tried to get him on the hook and say, well, we know you're a man of integrity. you aren't swayed by men because you pay no attention to who they are, but you teach the way of God. You know, whenever someone's giving you all these compliments, that means it must be a politician that's trying to get you on the hook.

Should we pay or shouldn't we? So it was an impossible question because if he says pay the taxes, well then you're condoning this Roman authority. and if you don't, you're then alienating all the Jewish people who they had had like an insurrection and a war over this same issue I think 25 years before, somewhere in there. But watch what Jesus says, but Jesus knew their hypocrisy, which kind of goes in what we're talking about Hebrews 4 and 12.

He knows our thoughts and our motives and our heart. Why are you trying to trap me? bring me a denari and let me look look at it they brought they brought the coin and he said whose image is this and whose inscription caesar's they replied Jesus replied give to Caesar what is Caesar's and to God what is God's exactly which is what an answer which is the whole point we'll flash that a little bit more in the overtime plus I want to dive in a little deeper into 412 and 13 to get us ready because we're about to shift on the next podcast into a whole new realm of why Jesus is superior. So we'll set it up in the overtime. We'll see you there.

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