Unashamed with the Robertson Family - Ep 510 | Jase Names Missy His Fact-Checker & the Robertson with the Biggest Si Tendencies

Episode Date: July 11, 2022

Jase explains how Missy has become his personal fact-checker when he tells stories. Missy and Jase discuss how unexpected situations can arise when you have a human responsibility to step up and intervene, especially in the cases of orphaned children. Jase advises people to have a community of support around when life throws curveballs and to trust God's plan first, before putting your stamp of approval on it. And Al and Zach laugh when they find out which Robertson has the most Uncle Si-like tendencies! Sign up to watch the Unashamed overtime show, only on BlazeTV: https://BlazeTV.com/Unashamed - Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

I am unashamed. What about you? We were talking about Christine on the Duck Car Room podcast has been a big favorite. And one of the things that Jay's loved about it was that Christine was Size's fact checker. Well, in our case, on Unashame, that's why we bring Missy in as the Jay's fact checker. So Missy, welcome back to Unashamed. We're glad to have you here. Thank you. I'm actually going to confess that I haven't watched. I've never watched, but I haven't listened in a long time because I just can't handle it.

I can't handle it anymore. Well, this is good to have support from your own family. Starting well. Because you hear so many inaccurate things. I can't listen to the stories. I'm like, I don't know when, where, who that happened to, but it wasn't about us. Yeah, the thing is a hit. I'll never watch it.

Here's what you got to remember. And this is what I get every time I question him right here, the speech she's about to give. Go ahead, come on. I'm really enjoying this. I think we need Missy as a part of the permanent cast. Oh, I do too. This is good. Jay squirms every time.

When something is based on a true story and you're dealing with older or aging men, there is. You remember the years. You remember the years we were just getting the... You're used to that. Missy, I was just hearing little bits and pieces of it. But when Chase was courting you, there seemed to have been a pretty good stance among your family group, your dad and mother,

like, don't do it. Don't mess with that old guy. What I was going to say before I was interrupted is the margin of error becomes greater. You ever thought about that phrase? Margin of error. Why do they do that in polling? What do they do? But polling is, what is it, two to four percent?

Margin of error? I think I have a storytelling margin of error of two to four percent. I'm going to plead the fifth on that. You put that number a little higher. It's like Saiz saying that five percent of his stories are. Like 95 percent true. Well, yeah. You got to remember. Siah's telling the stories that are beyond the

atomic and molecular structure of our earth. It defies laws of nature. I mean, when you start getting to going down that road, you're no longer. Are you saying you couldn't run fast enough for your tennis shoes to catch on fire? Is that what you're saying? But what's funny is that Christine,

during the episode, which it was funny, I mean, it was hilarious. She would just, she didn't seem to have any animosity toward him. She would just say, no. Just little. things. He said, you know, we found out Christine was pregnant because she was sick

and we had eaten a big pot of spaghetti that night and she went tacos. That's the way it was. It was just the powers that be when they asked me what about your brother? What's your take on him? I said, just hyper blowing smoke.

They said, no, you missed it, Ms. Robertson. It's called talent. So I thought, talent. I said, I never thought about that as being talent from my little brother, but that's what they informed me. He is well-loved by America. But he really wasn't as extreme until he started

getting payments, checks in the mail for being in front of a camera. And then he just went crazy. Yeah. Like, crazier than normal. Well, most people don't realize is he acts the same way when he's not being filmed. It's like the camera's on him all

a time. I said, sigh, you're not on camera. Go ahead. The only thing that worries me about it is that sigh is your uncle and you're named after him. And you kind of have that tendency. But what could calm, what could calm, what could calm sound it? He may not be sigh, but he has side tendencies. What is the tendency? Is it insanity? The two to four percent margin of air. But you don't agree with that. add in the fact that another gene pool from your mom is also in your bloodstream. Oh, man. What does that mean?

Your mom? Your mom? Your mom? Your mom and side do not share the same blood. So they, you've come from both of those bloodlines. So that's, that's a little scary to me. That's a hundred and 20 percent exaggeration. Miss Kay's having that baby.

Where are you going to name him? I'm out in the river baiting the tributte. line. I turned around. I said, I don't care. Name him after you. He did. He took off and he did. Most people are thinking, why didn't you leave, you know? Yeah, he was too busy. Disturbing. Well, is this how it's going to go? This is pretty much the whole podcast. We've only got 43 more minutes of this. So I was going to mention Zach that as you all were talking before we came on camera about, was it, who was it? Who was Layla at your house?

Who was at your house? Oh, yeah. Yeah, last night, which she's always welcome. I just, she's like Forrest Gump. She just shows up like everywhere. And so she texts me. That's not just her. That's all the Dasher kids.

Well, Mia's a lot like that too because I think Mia has shown up at the Dasher's house quite a few times, too, in North Carolina. With COVID. With COVID. She brought COVID to the Dasher face. Oh, yeah. What? Yeah, that's the gift that keeps on giving. I didn't even heard these stories.

But last night I saw me, I hadn't seen her in a week because she's been in Washington, D.C. I was like, hey, how are you? Well, then I turned around. There was two of her friends there. So that one of them had been in Alaska and I was talking. Well, then I just like, I didn't see Lela come in. I just turned around. I was like, what are you doing here?

I mean. Well, Laila came down from Mia's bed because she came over and she just said she's in town. Aunt Missy, I'm in town. Can I come spend the night? I was like, sure. So I texted Mia and said, be quiet when you, come in because Layla's going to be in your bed. And she said, move her to Karina's room.

I'm tired. So I had to go up there, tell Layla to move over to Karina's room because Mia's going to come in late. Speaking of genetics, speaking of genetic influence. Yeah. She's Anthony Robertson. Well, it's weird, though, if you walked into your room and there's somebody in your bed when there was another bed right down the way, you would say, hey.

Well, but they're close. And Layla wanted to sleep with me. They're close. They're family. And then Layla said, that's probably good because I have to leave at 6 a.m. So this morning I heard the door shut. I heard it too. Tell her when she leaves and everyone's asleep, you can shut the door quietly.

I heard a wham. I was like, well, let me get up. And look, so we were gone to Europe as we get home. And I found something of bear dashers in almost every room in my house. So I said, well, I guess bear was here at some point while I was gone. Because now the strange thing was for the first time ever, I didn't find anything broken in my house. because usually when some of the dashers come through, I'll find little knickknacks and stuff.

Like they'll be put back like they're together and you reach to grab it and it just falls into six pieces. It's like, have the dashers been here? Because that's there are hard. I think the term is you got dashered. That's the term that all of our friends used. You got dashed. Well, what Gordon used to say is he had to bear proof his house.

Yeah. So I remember that. What do you think? Interesting. When you name a kid bear, what do you think is going to happen? I love bear. I'm sorry. I love bear.

I'm just saying, don't when you, it's like one of my friends named Bull, and he acts like a bull. And people are like, man, I can't believe he did that. It's like, his name is Bull. What do you think he was going to do? He's going to try to run through the wall at every chance. I always tell Bear, if you're going to be a bear, be a grizzly, and he is. So, Zach, yesterday you appreciate this.

I was talking to his Bible teacher from camp last week, and I said, what about how was I having a dash year and you? Oh, he said, oh, man, I'll tell you what. He said, they got, they were discussing the resurrection. And so some of the kids in the, in the cabin were saying, yeah, well, you know, it's not a, it's not a physical resurrection. It's a spiritual resurrection. And I mean, here goes bare. No, it's the body.

I mean, it's coming out of the ground. He goes into his whole deal. So the Bible teacher is listening. He's just listening to the debate. And then finally, he said, well, let's see what the Bible says about. So he goes over to read First Corinthians 15, you know, and he said, it, the body is sown and dishonor it, the body. And he said, barely said him said, so I was right? I said, now that's a dash.

He was full board on it, but he wasn't really sure whether he was right or not, but you could have never known. That happened in the last podcast. Seemingly, Zach and I were arguing the whole time. We get behind the paywall for you who are not paying. And then Zach said, yeah, basically I agree with Jace. You all love to argue I'm not sure that's a Dasher thing That's a Robertson Trey

Carried Down's through the dashers I'm not big as arguing I just I like to listen But it is a common complaint on the podcast It's a Jason Zach are arguing But they're not talking about They're saying the same thing But they just like to argue

Which there may be some truth to that You ought to hear it because Dave has Zach on speaker a lot at the house Whenever you call Zach So I hear all this live too This is not just on the podcast This is a lie. Look, your sister Melissa and Jace would wake me up in the middle of the night because she lived with us arguing.

Arguing like voices were escalating. Arguing sounds. We weren't arguing. I think you deemed that. All I know is when I'm woken up and there's a baby down the hall, I opened the door and I'm like, y'all need to take it down or whoever wakes up that baby is going to feed that baby. That's called passionate discussions. That's exactly what you is. And the audience may not know this.

I'll give you a little bit of inside workings of our brain trust here. So Zach is the unique person, our family. He's our first cousin, obviously, but he has business dealings with all of us in a different arena. And he's the common denominator. He and our partners in a company. He does stuff for dad. He and Jace do stuff with you guys in your show. And then he does stuff with Missy and, I mean, with the Will and Corey.

So Zach, you're kind of the camellia. and you're the man who can get things done. But it's interesting because you kind of work with us all at individual level. How would you describe that working with so many Robertson? I don't know. It's a weird, I don't know. I've asked myself that question. How do I end up in that position?

I don't know, because I do argue a lot. I mean, mainly with Willie and Jace. I mean, like, those two relationships are like had this historical, I don't know. I have a take. I have an opinion on. It my opinion is that because of what happened with the rise in fame, our circle gets really small because we can't trust a whole lot of people. And we've learned that in the last 10 years. And Zach is very trustworthy. He might drive us all crazy at some point. But he is very trustworthy. He is kingdom focused. He is God-centered and he loves our family. And so that's why you're dealing with all of us. at the same time. That's a very great time.

That's why we have Missy on this pocket. My favorite moment is me and Zach, we were arguing at this time. I mean, voices were raised. He was getting upset. I was a little angry. We were arguing. I forgot what we were arguing about. And he just hung up on me.

I was like, what? Are we back in junior? I think you've done that to him, too. Am I right about that, Zach? Y'all were trained. This wasn't years ago, Phil. This was like a few weeks ago. I know.

I'm going back to your training. The training, the word was, if you want to make a point and you want to raise your voice, that's in. If you want to elevate your voices, that's fine. I said, but always remember, if it comes to blows, if it comes to blows, that's when I step in. I said, I won't step in, make a point. Raise your voice, fine, no problem. but it must not come to blows. So we can't come to blows.

That's still our line. Here's what's funny. And so he hangs up on me three or four days later. It turned out in this case that I happened to be right. Oh, boy. He calls and he's like, well, you were right on that. And just went on like, I wanted to linger. That may be, hey, Missy, that might be one of those embellished.

stories. Oh, here we go. Is that a 2 to 4% margin of error? Is that what you're saying? Oh, goodness. And then let's don't forget. My dad always says that with the Robertson, he said, if you debate them, they'll never admit that you were right.

What they'll do is they'll come back three months later and take your idea and call it their own. Hey, you know what I figured out? No, I told him that. I think that's. I told him that. He was like, really? And he saw it happen.

And he's like, yeah. I say, you're never going to win an argument. So see, this is this is Jason's idea. See, just this exact statement. This was your idea. You just took credit. You know where I got that from? You know where I get this from?

Do you know who invented wearing a white t-shirt and rolling things up to your shoulder? Happy days. Bill Robertson. Yeah, I was thinking Fonson. He told me that. He told me that was a kid. He came in. I was a kid.

He still wearing the white t-shirt. He had some snuff or so rolled up. up in his shirt and I was like, huh, that's pretty clever. And he's like, I invented it. And just think that, now the only thing rolled up and there is your bicep. You know, you never know all these little nuggets that I introduced in young lives. Well, as a kid, I remember what I thought. My dad invented the roll-up t-shirt.

The roll-up white t-shirt. Because then I went to school and told my friends. Oh, gosh. Like when you see happy days or other things. That was my dad. My dad invented that concept. I did share that at school. Well, maybe we've undercut dad's embellishment into this whole conversation.

Let's take a break. Before we leave that subject, I do want to say that one of the best quality that Zach brought into all of our family was that he married Jill. So she's a great part of the question. I think I'd rephrase that, that she's somehow. another found it in her heart to agree and go along with that. To marry Zach. Yeah. That's true.

All right. So Missy, we got you on the show. I want to, because we've been telling some stories, but I want to hear. I wouldn't know. Yeah, exactly. So we want to hear kind of what's going on. So Jay's mentioned, I think, a couple of podcasts ago about Karina graduating. And I know that's been a big deal.

So tell the audience a little bit about. So is she in D.C. now? She's in D.C. So, so Mia was there for a week. week she had won a contest, which actually was pretty, I think it's very honorable for her to do it, but she wrote a history essay in an English class. And there were two winners per state, and she was one of the winners when she was in the 10th grade, and that was right before COVID hit.

And when the winners get an all expense paid week in Washington, D.C., where they have to wear kind of business casual clothes, and they tour the kids. the Capitol and they get to speak to Congress and all of these different things. And so she finally got to go this year. Well, it happened to be piggybacked right before Karina was moving into her new apartment and starting her new job. And so we kind of made a girl's weekend out of it. So we moved Karina in to an apartment in Arlington, Virginia, actually, is a little bit safer neighborhood than Washington, D.C. And she works in D.C. She works in D.C.

So we had to figure all that out and she doesn't drive. She, we kind of laughed about that. And I said, sweetheart, you can't even drive a target cart. So don't even. And she knows it. I'm like, you do not know what shopping cart etiquette is. Did this seem to be a conservative group that she's working for? I have no idea.

It's a large economics firm. That's a scary part. It's like a math analytical or I guess a mathematical analytical. Analysts. Yes. I don't even know what that means. Which means she's really smart. That's what it means.

She got a double major in math and economics with a minor in statistics and data sciences. Yeah, she's in the numbers and crunch. You know, when you say, I'm going to take this back and crunch the numbers, that means you give it to her. Yeah. Number cruncher. Yes. Yeah. But anyway, when you think about it, I mean, here's an orphan girl from Nicaragua.

I know we've told the story before, but still, I mean, she gets a scholarship via the internet to go to high school in Germany because she's in a third world country is all this story is true so far so she feel free to correct you gets you know uh her grandma raised her up until she was a teenager and then her grandma died and so now she's she has nobody i mean there was a family uh from the church that just did what they could her pastor was her mentor and then we knew him yes a statement yes she's coming through we get some false information about she needs some help because they described her as, I think, a 24-year-old. Well, it was Ben, Ben and Melissa, Ben said.

Here we go. Yeah, so Ben calls me and says, we're moving or we would keep her, but, you know, because of the unrest of what happened in 2018 in Nicaragua, she can't get back in her country. That's a whole other story. But she needs like a month somewhere to live in the States. She was in between high school in Germany and college in Minnesota. Right. She had gotten her scholarship to a college in Minnesota, and so she just needed somewhere to crash.

But Ben said she's 24. You've met her before. She translated for you in the Dominican a few times. I was like, oh, I'm sure I'll recognize her when I see her. And in walks this tiny little girl that I've never seen before. She was like 16? She was 18 because she graduated high school. I don't think that's right.

She was younger, then. Here we go. All right, 16 to 18. We'll agree to disagree. She's 22 right now. So minus four is 18. The last, I can do that map. So at 18.

You crunched that quite well. Thank you. So she was 18, came in, and I was like, I just don't recognize her at all. So, but the more we started talking and learning, Ben had this complete. I had stuck her out there in the guest house by herself. She was scared to death all night, couldn't sleep, cried. You know, imagine coming to Louisiana. No.

You know, you've never been to America and you see me, you know. here around the corner and welcome. And she, at that time, she knew the English language but didn't know Louisiana language because I realized something, in less than a month, I realized that 90% of what I say or said to her was an idiom, which means she don't understand what I'm saying. I mean, everything I would say, I mean, I've gotten better at doing that around her now because she's learned. She's learned a lot of them because I'll say something.

I go, oh, that's an idiom. She says, I know what that means. So she's learned a lot. I didn't realize how much we spoke in those phrases. But once we got to know her story, we moved her in the house. Like, you don't need to be out there by yourself. And she just became our family. And I'm going to say the last night, Mia and I just left her there this past weekend.

Because we had, we got her in our hotel. We just kind of had a fun weekend. We were helping get her apartment. you know, just started really, mattress and some thrift things and some groceries. Well, you skip the point. She graduates college and then gets a job. And then gets this job in D.C. So, but the last night we were there, it was really emotional. Like, she, she was really emotional. And she was a little apprehensive and scared. And I thought, she's lived for four years off and on in a northern state, which is very different from Louisiana,

very different culturally. And she did well. I mean, I didn't realize how different until I went and spent that weekend during her graduation, how different northern people are from us. They just are. And so she did really, really well.

And I have no, I have no question that she's going to do well in this job because she's a hard worker, obviously, and she does things well. And so she was just really, sad and at dinner that night she just had a little speech for Mia and me and it brought tears to my eyes she cried she was just so grateful she said I know now that you're my family and that if anything happens to me you'll be there for me I can depend on you and I can lean on you and you don't

know what that means to me because I don't have anyone else I was like oh boy like that was really emotional and then she just cried and cried and cried when she got in the Uber to go back to her apartment, you know, and I thought, this is not goodbye forever. We'll see you, you know, in a few weeks. But she also knows it's limited now because it's a big scary world too. Right, it is. But I mean, look at her life, you know what I mean? Just, you're talking about some courage. I mean, she's, she's helped us way more we've helped her because she's real particular about not wanting to, you know, take anything unless she feels like she earned it or worked or did something. I mean, it's just she's a woman of high character. But, I mean, she doesn't make sense in our

world because she you know when you say two plus two equals four i mean she just she came from nothing she had nothing but i'm like don't ever underestimate the power of relationship with god because that's the one thing she did have and they you know this family her pastor i mean they they poured jesus into her and that was the strength she relied on and uh i mean it's just a pretty incredible story. I mean, which the one thing I helped her with, because she did a few interviews and she didn't get hired, and I was like, what do you say to these people? Because I thought, well, why wouldn't she get hired? I mean, this, this girl is, she told me that inspiration. Well, when she went through the process, she was not telling her personal, anything personal. Yeah.

And because she didn't want to brag on herself. She's very guarded in our life. I said, let me tell you this. I said, when they asked you the question, I said, you need to tell your story. It's incredible. Yeah. She's like, yeah, but I don't. I'm not sure I wouldn't do that. But anyway, long story short, she went and wrote it down.

We read it. Got teary out about it. I mean, it's awesome. Because it's basically like you've had, you, everything that's happened in your life has been a reason to quit, but you haven't. But you're still, you're still, you tell this person to interview it. I'm not sure what you want me to do, but I guarantee you I'm not going to quit. And here's why. And so we convinced her, or maybe I did, I was real passionate about it.

I was like, I know you don't feel comfortable about it, and you feel like you're bragging on yourself or whatever. I was like, but in America, people love these stories. And you want people working for you who are like this. So she went in and did it. When they said, tell us about yourself, she just told it. hired. Because that was the difference. I was like, people, your character matters.

That's right. And when you have something sensational, like, I mean, what kind of high school kid goes off to another country and goes to high school by themselves? I mean, can you imagine? I just can't imagine. So, I mean, I wanted to tell that story because I think that's what kind of made it. She realized, you know what, this is who I am. And I'm not trying to use it for anything other than I'm just, this is, this is what it is. But, you know, all these good characteristics I have, you know, they came from God in this journey.

And I'm going to use that to be successful in whatever I do. Well, when we got back to the hotel room after putting her in the car, I mean, she literally, it was like a movie. It was like a little child was being taken away from their parents. She was just hanging on to our eyes, eyes to eye. as we were standing in the hotel and the Uber was driving away, it was like until she could see us no more. And I was like, I looked at me, I was like, that was brutal. I was like, I know.

So we went back upstairs and I just didn't a group text to all the members of our family and just said, please text her something funny, something encouraging, something sweet. And I think everybody did. And so it made her feel better. Well, the good thing is, let's take a break. The good thing is because of all of our business stuff, especially Lisa and I, we're in D.C. at least once a year. So I'm excited now that we'll be able to look her up and have some time when we're together because I think we're going next month. Well, I wanted to shift gears because the last time you were on the podcast, you told us the story about the baby that you guys have been taken care of and a little bit about the backstance of that.

So I know our audience has been curious. James brings it up every once in a while, but just kind of how that's. going. What's it like being plus... I don't even know what to call it. I have no idea what to call it. Zach can weigh in on this as well. It's exhausting. It is exhausting, emotional, volatile. The situation is still the same. Excuse me. In his life, it's still the same, which is just the unknown. But he doesn't know that. All he knows is, comfort and security and a schedule and when it's time to eat he has a bottle and when it's time to nap he has somewhere to sleep and he is loved and played with and entertained probably more than

any normal baby because so many people love him and um well now jeff and jesska move back into our neighborhood so you got yeah so silla that's how i'm able to be here right now silla is there silla is just a gift you got to have a good babysitter i'm telling you I was like, when are y'all moving back? Because I need Silla. So I can stay sane. It's funny. It's funny, though, that one of the big complaints I've been reading about in the blogosphere

about, you know, the Roe v. Wade decision. And everyone's like, oh, the church needs to step up now, you know, and participate in orphan care. And it's just funny. Like, my experience has been, like, I look at what you guys are doing. I look at our church. And we have a small church. We and you were adding it up the other day. almost half of our church is in some way involved in orphan care.

And it's funny that people are like chastised the church. I mean, like there's couples that are lined up waiting to adopt. And there's couples that are stepping into this space. I mean, it's, it really is encouraging. I would, I would encourage our audience. If you hear that and you think, man, the church isn't doing their part, I just, I don't know. My experience is, I disagree with that. I think the church is ready to stand in the gap in this area.

I agree. If there were more babies available, there would be more holes in people's hearts to be filled because I get a text. He's four and a half months old. I have gotten a text or two every week from someone that says, my children are not able to have babies. Can they adopt him? Or my friend, I know of a really good family. They're trying to help me.

and they're also trying to help their friends and their family members. But God is in control of this, and that's what I keep being told to me and keep telling myself and praying about it because I'm a planner. I want everything. I want in my control, you know, because that's what I feel like is necessary, and it makes me feel better about everything. But this is just another one of those experiences and circumstances where God knocks on my heart and says, I'm in control.

You have to 100% rely on me and I'm going to take care of this situation. I appreciate Zach bringing up on the pro-life side because we talk about that a lot on the podcast is we all have different roles to play in this sort of cultural war that's going on about abortion. And obviously Roe v. Wade decision has now opened up, you know, a lot of people to talk about it again. Lisa and I are more on the front end of helping women make decision not to abort. their babies. You guys are more on the back end of when, if they say yes, what do we do then? And so I think everybody can play a role across the spectrum. We have a large audience. So, you know, we have different gifts and abilities just like we do in the church to do different

things. But we have to be engaged in some way, I think, in this whole, you know, cultural deal that's going on. So I just, I applaud you guys to, Zach and Jill and what you guys have done, Jason and Mizzia and others in our family, you know, in terms of we have a lot of adopt of children. And a lot of kids like Karina or Rebecca, they weren't really adopted, but they're part of our family, you know, which is a neat thing. Would you say, Jason, the United Nations? Yeah. Yeah. They were just grafted in. Yes. Well, I thought about that last podcast when we were talking about, you know, moving on from the milk and, but you know, he made it because I, you know, I'm around a baby a lot now. But I thought about that when he said, anyone who lives on

milk being still an infant is not acquainted with the teaching about righteousness. And it just made me think about him. I mean, he's oblivious with the outside world and right and wrong and what's led to this. And it makes me think of that James I, that says every good and perfect gift is from above. Of course, then right after that, he makes that same reference about giving us the ability to be born again. Right. And, you know, a lot of the study in John 1 is that.

So it's been encouraging to me just to, you know, when you see life, I mean, when you see a baby from a distance, you're like, oh, cool. But, you know, when you're living that process, it brings up all those old memories that we had when we had our kids because you, you don't realize how much you've forgotten. Speaking of, you know, embellishing stories and remembering because I'm like, oh, well, I remember this. I remember this. And, but then you're just seeing this little. life that all the little details that just immediately takes you back to the designer and I'm looking at his toes and I'm like, well, the boy's got long toes. But you're just looking

at all the details of life in a in a real way. It's kind of sobering and you're grateful. I took him to the doctor yesterday and the doctor was just asking me a lot just for his normal checkup. He's well. He's been healthy this whole time. And thankfully, because she was saying something, some things. I'm like, I just have forgotten so much, you know, since my kids were little. But thankfully, Brighton is Maris is two and a half months ahead of us. And so I'm looking now at my children to help guide me with this baby, which is a strange circumstance, really. That is. But Brighton and I have communicated still a lot about what Maris is doing because I want to see. So how is grandfather and mother? Yeah, that's what I'm saying. We're in.

a weird situation where I'm like, call Brighton and see, you know, it's, what are we doing here? Yeah. It's like, well, we, the last time we were there, we both had babies. Yeah. Brighton had one on each hip at one point because I was busy with somebody outside and our baby had woken up from his nap. And I walked in and Brighton had one in each arm. And Maris is not small.

I've been safe. She's a whopper. Yeah. Hang on, let's take a second of a break. I mean, I do think it's awkward because we're supposed to be grandparents now. But like I say, I mean, there's... There's enough love, though. Well, there's a responsibility as humans.

I mean, going back to what Zach says, you can't go around and talk about the sanctity of life and not, you know, when you have situations, knock on your door. It wasn't like we went out and sought out this situation. It literally knocked on our door. I think you just, you have to step up. Well, I'm very grateful because, and along with y'all too, Zach and Jill have a community of support around you. Because when we were on vacation, you know, we were with y'all, Zach and he had a crew there, and they're fostering another baby as well. And so she wasn't with them and we were able to leave our little baby at home with wonderful support system so that we can spend that quality time with our family.

And so it's a sacrifice, but yet I'm so. grateful for our community because then I can say, I really need someone on one time with my grandbaby without another baby, you know. And so, and I don't have to feel guilty about that because there's so many that love him and want him. And so I think we're very, very blessed. And so is he. And that's a way to participate in the care. I love that. Because not everybody's called or equipped to foster and then honestly

I don't know you know everyone's equipped to do it like I may be equipped in one season of life but maybe not the next like I if you come back to me in about three years and say you want to do that

I don't know I'm this might be our well Zach if you would have asked me if I would have picked this season of my life as the one that I know no no heck no we can't do this right now because

I wasn't sure where you were going on that I thought Bincey's getting real with it today. Have you heard me ever said something else? No, but it was the first time. She had a 2 to 4% chance to say that. 2 to 4% chance that you're going to tell somebody that I did say that. You did give me a card for our anniversary this year that was interesting. First came marriage and I say what's it?

Squirrel. Squirrel. You gave me a card. Anyway. You gave me a card. For our anniversary. Okay, we're talking about this now. First came kiss, it came marriage, and then you open the card up.

And it said, and all heck broke loose. But it didn't say heck. She didn't give me that. So I haven't said it, but I bought a card that had it in there. It was funny. Because that's really true, what happened. But if somebody, if somebody. Okay, moving on.

I'm going to get this out. Get it out, Betsy. If somebody would have come to me and said, oh, someone had a baby and they want you to take care of him for the next year and a half of his life. How do you feel about that? I would say, oh, thank you so much. I'm so honored that you thought of me, but that's a big fat no. I can't do that. but that's not what happened.

Somebody said she signed him over to you, and in a couple of weeks, she's going to be able to take him. So we thought we were doing this for two weeks, and then we were doing it for a month, and then we were doing it for three months, and now we're four and a half months in, and it looks like we're going to have him possibly for another year.

So I think that's how God works too, is that you say yes for the moment, and there's a bigger plan there. And then we just figure it out. Right. Because if they would have said, you know, or the next five years or 10 years, I would have been like, there is no way that we can do this. And it is yet to be seen when he grows into a young lad and then an adult,

yet it remains to be seen who he'll be. Right. Well, I have my, I mean, my mode of operati is. Operandi. Operatia. I'm pretty sure the sound man that time said, he said operati. But look it up. I'll take it out.

Modus operandi. No, I think it's operatai. I never heard of operetta. Well, if you go to the operetta. Just some kind of. That's funny. Well, I mean, y'all get wasted. How to butcher the English language and get away with it.

Well, let me stick to what I know. So if you read an... But in modus operata, said, did you mean modus operandi? Oh, okay, how's wrong? It's got an end. There's an end. That's that 2 to 4% memory.

So look, from one man, you know, Paul's sermon, Act 17, we read this a lot, but he made every nation of men that they should have it, the whole earth. Well, this next phrase says, he determines the time set for them in the exact places where

they should live. So my view on it is God creates life. I mean, this was on purpose for a purpose. And he determines the exact time for him, the exact place of where they should live. God did this so that

we would seek him and perhaps reach out for him, you know, where his offspring. But in the next chapter, when Paul was in Corinth and persecution arose, you know, I'm combining these two facts. I'm taking that of context, but when the Lord spoke to him in a vision, it says, I have many people in this city.

And so when you combine those two things, you know, from the situation we're in now, you see why we're doing this. I believe that everyone is created in the image of God, and I believe God has people in each city that are there to represent him. And so that was kind of, that was just kind of my thought process. That's interesting. Let's take our last break. That's interesting, Jay, is because not only in a, you think about that in a birth situation,

but what about a new birth? Because when Paul finally submitted to Christ on the road to Damascus, when he struck down, where did he go? Well, God had a guy. God had a guy waiting on it. And so there he was. I mean, it's really difficult to, well, I struggle with taking care of, this baby or in watching it like suck the energy out of miss him because it is extremely exhausting

but without any clarity as to future it's it's very difficult to yeah because you don't have an end date manage that and so people who have helped us they struggle with that too and I was like oh I guess that's the deal with this this is this is the reason this is difficult so I just decided one day I think I announced to you I just said you know what I'm not going to I'm not going to worry about it. And really what helped me was when we were in Hebrews and it said, you know, today, as long as it's called today. And I thought, that's the way I'm going to approach this situation. Today I'm going to trust God.

I'm going to protect this kid and I'm going to enjoy it. I mean, and just, you know, that's why we pour love and we pray over him and we sing, you know, spiritual songs to him. And I can tell he's happy. I mean, he's, he's enjoying it. And he's on a schedule. I mean, he sleeps all night. He's just in a nice, safe environment. But, you know, I don't think you should allow yourself to venture past that

or you start getting anxious, worry. Well, that's the hard part. That's the hard part, I think, for a mom, a female, because we are made different. And I want to provide all of the things that I wanted to for my children. I want the cute clothes. and I want his room to be good, you know, and fun and sweet. But then I think, that's just dumb. I don't need to make him a nursery.

What if we don't have him tomorrow? That would be a waste of time. And so I go back and forth and back and forth and even emotionally. So it took me a couple of days, you know, even after we first got him, I thought, I'm not going to get attached to this baby because I'm not going to have him very long. I said the same time. I think it's normal. But then I'm like, I can't help it.

He's just too adorable. I'm kissing all over him and I'm singing to him. and I'm rocking to him because he's just precious. And so I still, here we are at four and a half months, I'm still, you know, kind of battling, like, how close do I get to him and how do I not? Because we've bonded. There's no doubt about it. He looks to me from across the room when he hears my voice.

He's looking for me. And so what helped me was when Jason and I got to the privilege to go to Pebble Beach a few weeks ago with some friends, Shannon, she just went through her counseling degree. And so I was like, let me just throw these things at you. Like, from where? From my perspective, like, am I doing things? What am I doing right and wrong? And I told her some things.

And she said, because I said, I'm so scared that he's going to bond with me. And then whatever happens to his future, he's going to be ripped from me. And that's going to tear him apart. I can handle it because I'm prepared for it. He's not prepared for it. And she said this, which was so eye-opening. And it just relaxed me so much when she said, said he cannot transfer what he does not have. So if he does not know what love is, if he does not know

what a bond is with a mother, he cannot transfer that. But he can transfer what he does have. So bond with him, saying to him, it's already happened. He will be able to be healthy and transfer that to his mother or another mother when that time comes. And if that's supposed to happen. And that relaxed me so much, like I'm doing what I need to be doing for him. That's really rich. And it made me think about it because on the next podcast, we're in Hebrews chapter 6. And there's a segment there where the Hebrew writer brings Abraham back up, you know, talking about the context we were talking about. And he said something really interesting. And he said, while he waited patiently for the promises of God, talking about Abraham.

And it took me back to, you know, when God called him out in Hebrews 12, it was 25 years later before he even knew where he was supposed to go, for real. I mean, so it was that long, 25 years, because he said, I'm going to send you to a place and I'll tell you when you get there. And Abraham trusted him. And so I think about that. What are you talking about patience? That's what I'm saying.

And I hear you guys talking about that. And then in its own microcosm is what you're experiencing. You took a leap of faith. And now you're waiting patiently for God to do what he's going to do in the situation. So, I mean, that says that's what it is. Well, and they've medically, it's, you know, proven by how your brains develop. I forgot all the details and all that. But I remember that one to one to three months, the first three months, something, the importance of that.

I remember that when we were learning that about how the brain forms and all. That's what Ben, I was talking about that. the other day. So when I looked at that, though, and I don't remember the exact, there's, I know that those first few months is pretty critical. So, I mean, you don't think, they're like, well, he's, he won't remember anything. And he won't, you know, you're keeping the kids safe. Yeah.

And, and, uh, well, there's a, there's a lot of formation. There's a lot of formation going on those early times. I love it. That's, uh, that you can't transfer what you don't have. And because we've thought about, I mean, I think anyone that gets into foster care of any sort, those are the fears, right? And like you said, it's not even for your own self. I mean, you're like, I'm an adult. I can deal with this, but to think about a young child, you know, having that type of separation. And I just tell Jill, like, God redeems, he can redeem all

situations. And whatever happens this time that we have with the child is we have to trust that God's doing something and the kid will be better off. But when you said that, I was thinking about my own life. And we went through, my family went through a little bit of trauma a few years ago with some relationships with close friends that I'll spare you the details of the story. But it was very, very painful for us. And so once we came out of that, that whole dynamic, I was like, man, I'm not getting back into like those kind of, like, I'm not getting into friendship again because I was hurt. And now God has healed that and we have developed a really good community here. But imagine if you didn't even have a context at all for any healthy

friendship. I mean, there would be a wall up that you, I mean, so I think what you're offering when you're in like even these youngs, these young kids is you're offering a foundation something there that they can not just transfer, but even if it's bad when they go somewhere else, at least there's something there for them to hang on to and to go back to a reference point and what real connection and intimacy and love looks like. And that's kind of how Jill and I and our family tries to approach it, you know, as well. Yes, I think that that's a very, it's very important to me. I've held on to that.

It's helped me. I know that Jace has witnessed I've had a couple of meltdowns just because it is very emotional. I wasn't going to bring that up. I don't mind saying it because I get, I am exhausted. I'm exhausted. And then when I look and I don't have any. any sense of what the future does look like and I think I'm too old for this I can't do this

you know it all comes tumbling down and one night Jace I'm gonna tell the story because of what Mamma Shack said because we were telling this the next night to Mamma Shack down the street we were strolling him and I said yeah I had a melt a little bit of a meltdown last night I was shocked because they had their whole family

then so it was like 20 people it was like Memo Joe and her brother and his wife and I think Chris and Johnny were there and we were just kind of telling me, I said, I know, I just got emotional last night thinking I just can't do this, you know. And Jace was trying to encourage me. And he said, just think about Mary. Just think about Mary raising Jesus. I mean, she was pregnant. She wasn't married. You know, she was young. And I looked at him and I was like, you're comparing me to Mary. And I said, I am not raising the savior of the world. And it just kind of came out like that. And I was telling Memo Joe that. And Jace was standing there that night. And Mom, Joe looked at Jason, and she said, Jason, you did not say that to her. And I said, yes, ma'am, he did.

And she said, did you throw something at him? And I just thought that was so she's 90. You know, she put her hand on her hip, you know. She is a sharp 90. She is very sharp. I think I had a pretty good point, though. Well, apparently it thudded with the lady. So we're out of time.

Missy is always a pleasure to have you on Unashamed, mainly just to make Jason uncomfortable. But a couple of things I didn't get to I want to talk about in the overtime. One is about the new show. I want to get your take on it. And something we talked about marriage recently, I want to ask you about it as well. So BlaseTV.com slash Unashamed if you want to catch the rest of our segment with Missy. We'll see you in the overtime. Oh, we need to go in there?

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