Unashamed with the Robertson Family - Ep 513 | Jase Studies the Man of International Mystery & the Genealogy of Phil’s Pets

Episode Date: July 17, 2022

Jase digs into the mysterious origins of Melchizedek. Not having a record of him isn't a big deal for us, but it was culturally a huge deal at the time of his appearance. Al talks about the plan of God, perfectly existing outside time and space. Jase shares one of his and Zach's favorite lines said by God in the Bible. Jase highlights that Jesus is the best thing that ever happened to humanity. And Phil gives a genealogy of his pets and how Bobo's legacy will live on in name! - Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

I am unashamed. What about you? That'll be hilarious. You can he tell something and it's like the funniest thing I've ever heard in my life. Just in your normal life, Phil, what have you been doing? We got to, there's always a story. In the woods of Hill. You know, they could be a show.

What about the new dogs? I mean, is there any? Oh, my goodness. Yeah, but I mean, we need to update. update on the new update on the dog hang out hold on let's get this oh let's just don't waste it what is this so i guess we need this as far as dogs go you know your dogs die it's part of the circle of life old age yeah most of them vehicles uPS not many vehicles down there but the uPS man ran over the dog and had him in his arms when he walked up uh he was a good one well we just knew

need the update on the two new dogs because look i saw a picture you wouldn't have seen this because you don't look at any kind of social interaction but the girl that works for y'all some and helps helps out had one of your new dogs in a sonic cup yeah he just had his head sticking out of it's like a medium the names of the their name their miniature rat terriers and their names are bobo junior even though it's not sired by Bobo, but anyway, Bobo Jr. and B.B., because it's a male and a female.

So I did find that out. B.B. and Bobo? But Bobo, well, that's just kind of what we're going to talk about. I planted Bobo down here right behind where the tractors are. There was a back of Marty there. After he died, he went into the burial of Bobo, which sounds like a good Western title. That would be a good movie.

was coming up for some kind of funeral, but I said, let's don't get this thing out of hand here. Did you say a few words? No, but I told Dan said, Dan, say a few words over him. So Dan, I said, Dan, there's a back hole park down there. I just swing it around, dig a pretty deep hole. I said, so we don't resmell it.

Armadillo's, you know, cows won't get him out of that. Yep. Give old, give old Bobo rest. So. So we replaced Bobo within two. a half weeks, three, four weeks. Ms. Kay, she was on a hunt for the next bobo. That way to keep the bobo will live on. Although he's not a direct ancestor.

No, no direct ancestor, but he is a dog. Which means what? He couldn't be king? Yeah, well. The lineage has been broken. We're going to talk about that today. Get inside the mind of a woman when she's lost her dog. But anyway, so we bed Bobo right out here.

And within a month, we brought, there's Bobo again. He shows up. He's smaller, but he's got the, he's about half ferocious at times. Really? A little bitty dog about this long. I thought, what is he? What are about a chihuahua? Gave about six inches.

I thought Bobo was a rat terrier, and they said, oh, he's a rat terrier. And I said, he looked like some kind of. He's a miniature. He looked like a minare or something. They get up in the morning, and we get a place for them to take a dump. Oh, man. And they got pads. The women brought these pads in, where they start peeing on them pads.

So, all I've been doing is cleaning up dog crap and throw it out these wrappers where they pee. You throw them out. The pads. And the two dogs, I'm not kidding. They fight when they get up in the morning and look around. They said, it's on. It's like a bell ring, and here we go. And I mean, the fight starts.

When one of them squeals out, hurting too bad on the other one, they'll call it off for a little bit, but five minutes, they're backing each other. I mean, it's a fight. All day, they fight. When they finally sleep, they'll come to my chair, and they look up at me, you know. I reached down, I put them on my side right there. They want to dig a hole in anything, including you. They just get on you.

I've never seen dogs fight as much as these two. They love to fight. Well, that should remind you of our childhood. So I've got to channel all that fighting so that grandchildren can come in without fear of being bitten and whatnot. These dogs, I mean, they, they like to fight. They like to chew. Every time I walk in,

I started chewing on my shoe. But I looked in there. It's class that mom, the way she is with her dogs. So I walk in yesterday after a podcast. So she's got them laying on her chest, which is ample, if you know, mom. And they're just, like, cozyed up to each other, dead asleep. That's right. Mom's just sitting there.

We're having a conversation in these two dogs. They sleep right here on her. In her bosom. And, you know. But they are some scrappy little dogs. I'll give them that. Yeah, scrappy town. That's what I call them.

But my favorite part of this story about when we talked about before when Bobo got ran over is mom said the UPS guy brought him. And he was crying when he walked up to the house. And she said, and we just sat down and cried together. my mom and a complete stranger because he was crushed you know because he ran over I mean he knew he watched the show so he like he felt so bad but they're giving them the parvo shots and what's the dog when they get go mad what I don't know but all these rabies rabies they give them all these shots now to make sure they make it so we had the parvo run through some dogs one time you remember we had some uh a couple of white

Bimer and her puppies. It killed them, yeah. So that's a rough disease for sure. I'm a dog lover. I've got dogs, you know, and all that. But, you know, but women, they get attached to them, you know, the puppies. One's a male, one's a female, Bobo and Beebe. But they already know their name, so.

That's good. How clever. Very clever. They're scrappers. Well, I was kind of proud of y'all because I didn't know. I thought at some point, like we just keep it going. like moms kept this thing going a long time, but, you know, it's kind of like having two little kids around because you described having to, you know, train them and clean up and all that.

And I didn't know if y'all had it in you, but, you know. Well, just get up in the morning, this morning I get up, I get them, take them outside, let them run around out there. You know, they're getting faster and faster, you know, they're not six weeks old. Right. Seven. Right. So they, they, they're speed merchants, too.

They can move. I mean, they're quick. So they put on the show every day. That's good. I'm glad you don't do that. I'm sure you get a lot of joy out of having them. So, Jason, your house is better? Does things better?

Yesterday was a sad tale of, whoa. Well, Mia's, she made her first appearance last night. She came, I mean, just think she's been in her room for a couple days, two or three days here now. but, so I was like, you feeling better? And she went, yeah. She was walking around. You're obviously feeling better.

She's up. But, yeah, so that was a good time. I mean, I know it has to be rough. I like to update because there's a lot of people that would be asking. But she is doing better. Well, yeah, she was up walking around. Swelling gone down. Not so much.

It's going to take a while. But usually after a couple weeks, that goes down. but our little baby that we're keeping his bed. Well, he got sick at the same time, so it turned into a hospital. Well, you have human babies. You have dogs. You got dogs. You got dogs, them little things you got.

What kind of, what you call that? New News. What are they called? They're a combination. I think their parents were, you know, a little risque. I'm not sure. They're a combination of a couple breeds for sure. but yeah i got my that little boy dog we got he's like what are those what are those dogs uh they're

like a yorky yeah along that line but they're small real small they're small what's crazy is when when you get their haircut it looks like they shrunk by 10 times yeah my dogs are like that they have thick and then you cut them and they look like they've lost half their size but you know you're talking about dogs buying grandkids and now the female dog we have she's a little bit of old, and she'll bite you. But when you get bit by her, it was your fault. So like, when the kids come out and they

holler, I'm like, and the parents, like, what are you going to know about that dog? I was like, you need to address your kid. That dog only bites when someone is being mean, or, so, and that, because I mean, like Jep's kids, you know, his adopted son, Gus. I mean, he's just a bruiser. Live wire.

He's a bruiser. You know, and I said, hey, if you mistreat, he was petting the dogs. And I said, if you mistreat that dog, she will bite you. It wasn't 20 minutes. I heard him holler out. I said, what did you do? He said, I grabbed her by the neck. I said, yeah.

But he was one that he just had to know. I said, because you had laid down the gauntlet. Yeah. So, you know, get what you asked for is what I say. Well, red, red, the redneck that works for me. he was bitten numerous times for just showing up. I mean, out of all the people would come in, most of them, you know, they just look at them. But when red comes in there, I said, Red, I'm going to give you a little insight, son.

Those are good, son. I said, these dogs don't like you. I said, they don't do that to anybody else. I don't know what you've been up to, but these dogs. Only Phil can turn that situation into a situation. spiritual intervention. Well, he first time he said, well, you just got two biting me on the leg out there. And he pulled up in Richelang.

What you bet out to, Ray? I said, Red, for some reason, you got bad vibe, son. I said, Red, have you, if you heard the story of Aiken? I was down there. But they make good guard dogs because there's a lot of Jimmy Red Gippins running around. Well, yeah. Some of them worse than others. I like the dog.

I like, because people when they walk in my house, My dogs go crazy, no matter what. Most people, these dogs just sit there and somebody come in and they wouldn't care. But some, when they walked in the door, them dogs, look it to me like, they're not good. Well, I have cameras and all that, but, like, you think we should get an alarm system? I said, we have an alarm system. It's those two dogs. Because if anybody walks within 20 feet of my house, they're just, it's like the world is in it.

But, you know, there's a lot of science to what you're talking about, too, because dogs are very sensitive to human emotion. We know two different counselors, friends of ours, that use dogs in their therapy. Oh, there's a lot of them. There's a lot of our military veterans. And then you got that, right? You got the service animals. That's right. And they have a sense.

They know when you're going through a traumatic thing. And they can sense it. Both the counselors told me that the dog will get up. And when they're going through something particularly traumatic and they're sharing it in their counseling session, dog comes over and lays his head on the person's lap. And the person doesn't even realize they're just, they're crying, they're telling a story. And they're down there stroking this dog. That dog sensed that emotion and came over to give aid in the situation.

But that's pretty amazing when you think about it. I mean, that's word that, as your, to use your line, dad, what department in Saltwater came up with that one? I'm telling you that an animal would have such a connection to human emotion that they would be able to sense that. That's pretty amazing. True. Zach, do you have dogs before we leave this topic? Well, we've had dogs. We don't currently have a dog.

We had a dog that we had to give to my brother-in-law's, I'm sorry, my brother's mother-in-law, because when we adopted Ruth, our dog was just chaotic. And so she was, it wouldn't have been good. but she would bark when we had a bear, like we had bears up here in North Carolina, and you'd hear her going just nuts, and you go outside and look, and sure enough, it'd be a bear. Yeah.

But, yeah, it's too much a lot of, it's a lot of responsibility. My dog is. Well, and y'all like us, I mean, you have, except y'all have little ones, which like J's, but then also when you travel a lot, that's the hard thing about, you just, I mean, you can't really have animals.

Well, my two dogs are self-sufficient. We have the room. You've seen it. Yeah. have a order. Yeah. And they have a doggy door, and we just fill up their food and water and take off. And they're perfectly happy.

Come and go as they please. Yeah. They don't poop and pee in that room because they live there. You know, my layer? They go outside. They go outside. They're not that smart yet, but we're working on it. Well, it takes.

You got them on the pad, Phil, you said they're peeing. I don't like the pad. I don't like the pad. I think that's a bad move because then they can't distinguish like a rug from a pad. They see a rug and they're like, oh. Which they're doing some of that now, my. Now I get up in the morning. They're in there looking up.

I got them a little pen back here in a room. But they sleep. They don't make any racket at night. But I get them and I just walk outside. Yeah, that's what you got to do. They're all running around. They're running around you. Three times a day.

It's yet to be known what will happen on the first snake incident. Yep. So the snake rack, it's coming. Oh, yeah. So we'll see what they survive. If not, they'll be Bobo Jr. Jr. and BB Sister Jr. Our yard, the flower, one's working on Miss Kay's flowers, you know, the guy, he said, I killed three copperheads this morning out here.

And then these, of course, the flowers are right there in front of me. Yeah. But there were three of them in there. They put some rocks in there. Yeah, they love it. Unfortunately, it looks great down there, but you're building a great snake habitat because that's what they love to do. Let's take a break. Yeah, that's the only bad thing about it.

It cuts the backwater years where the water comes up in the yard and pushes on up. We're right on the edge of the bank then of the river. So it pushes everything. All them cut them out of the, they come with the high water. Yep. You kind of watch them. Watch when you step outside. We've killed everything, but we kill all of them, all four.

poison of snakes in my yard one time or another. Cotton mouth, copperhead, the rattlesnake. Rattle snake. And then the other one is the coral snake. Yeah, about two coral snakes. But that's the, they're those. They'll kill you.

Yeah, those have the worst venom, but they also don't have fangs. So they have to kind of get you on a saucebook. Yeah. Yep. Well, so we're in Hebrew 7 is where we left all. And we've kind of been setting this up in Hebrews 5 and 6 because he brings it up in 5. And we kind of been spending a couple of podcasts on what I call the little depth charge interlude where he's really challenging and warning the people he's writing to.

So he's going to kind of kick back in to this idea. And on our last podcast, Jace, we basically showed about the whole idea about it's, It's Jesus. It's him in heaven. He's our anchor. He's the whole, you know, he kind of paints that whole picture. He's trying to give him some confidence because, you know, when you're having to, like, warn people and rebuke people for not doing what God wants them to do, that's the unpleasant situation. And preachers and teachers, people like us, we, you know, we're up in front of people. It's, it's a little bit different when you're kind of presenting, kind of a shotgun presentation where you're just kind of throwing stuff out there. But it's not easy to have conversations, deep conversations about people's shortcomings.

I mean, when you have to deal with that, that's not pleasant. And yet, you know, as a leader, we've all had to do it a lot of different times. I don't think any of us, you don't enjoy it, but you know you're trying to help somebody get to growth. And so with the Hebrew writer, that's kind of what I see. He comes back kind of with a softer, now look, don't, you know. Well, I think in there, they were justifying what they were. wanting to go back to based on lineage and history. And so he gives these Jewish arguments that I'm sure didn't sit well with them.

Right. Because they were, you know, we were talking about that, you know, Bobo and not being in the lineage and all. But, you know, from their whole religion and structure was built on this. So he gets into who, you know, who Melchazadec is and then he has a series of arguments. that I'm interested to see y'all's take on. But he basically, since this was God's plan, which, you know, the more I read this, I was just amazed when you look at the details of this, that God, I mean, God could have just showed up and said, I'm here. But, I mean, he carefully and meticulously wove through history from a heritage standpoint,

a man who is God, his son, that could represent being a king and a priest for people who dwells in heaven and wants people to live with him forever. I mean, that's quite a plan to execute. The reason the woke crowd in America hates God is because, He says, here's the law. You break it, you die. Well, everybody has broken the law and everybody has been canceled. And that's the way it was.

Jesus shows up and he's the way out and he reminds him to get it started. I think we ought to read this. You've not come to a mountain that can be touched like when the law was given. burning with fire that's when the law was given to darkness that's when the law was given keep it or die gloom and storms you've come to a trumpet blast or i mean or that's part of it yeah no not here are our voice speaking words so that those who heard it beg that the further word be spoken to them because they could not bear what was commanded. That's the reason the woke crowd in America hates God.

They think it's all rules and regulations, even they've bought into what these people were doing. If even an animal touches the mountain, it must be stoned. If an animal ran up there, you know, like what's going on here, you know, you had to kill him. The sight was so terrifying that Moses said, I'm trembling with fear. That's when the law came and the ramifications of the,

the law are being told on the front end. But here's the difference between that and coming to Jesus by grace. You've come to Mount Zion to the heavenly Jerusalem, the city of the living God. You've come to thousands upon thousands of angels in joyful assembly to the church of the firstborn, Jesus, whose names are written in heaven to all the ones that the spirits of these men. You've come to God, the judge of all men, to the spirits, all of these people we read about in the Old Testament, Job and all of them. They live by faith, made perfect, the blood of Jesus. To Jesus, the mediator of a new covenant, he's given them what his argument has been throughout the whole book of Hebrews.

You're not under law, but you're under grace. Jesus has kept the law and died for you to get you out of Monday. And to the sprink of blood that speaks a better word. word than the blood of Abel. See to it that you do not refuse him who speaks. If they did not escape when they refused him who warned them on earth, how much less will we, if we turn away from him, which they were in danger of doing, the Hebrews, who warns us from heaven. At that time, his voice shook the earth when the law of Moses came on board. Man, just think about it. But now he has promised once more I will shake not only the earth but also the heavens.

The words once more indicate the removing of what can be shaken, that is, created things, so that they cannot be shaken may remain. Therefore, and he brings it back to what I mentioned the other day, two places in the book of Hebrews, the kingdom of God is mentioned, and this is the second one and final one in this book, in this writing. therefore since we are receiving a kingdom that cannot be shaken let us be thankful and so worship god acceptably with reverence and all for our god is a consuming fire don't mess with him because he's made it out way easier to get to heaven than it was under law no one would make it because we all

have broken the law. But here there's mercy. Jesus keeps it. He's our mediator. Well, that's Hebrews 12. Yeah, that was 12, 18 through 209. It's like us watching a movie and Phil just skip to the end. Well, I'm just saying there's a wrap-up and better news is on the way.

Because you go back to chapter 6 and you say, man, I don't know. This right here. Yeah, you're right. That's the finale of his argument. That's what you just read. And so what we're doing is we're just saying keep. that in mind as we move forward. I like it. And you're right, the Hebrew writer bookends the concept of kingdom. What's interesting is he never, as you said, he never mentions it other than those two.

So what he's basically saying is the kingdom of God that you always thought was national, physical, Israel is way bigger. Way bigger. And Jesus is the king. He's the son of man and the son of God. This is for everybody. No groups bigger than other. Nope. You know all these take. There's between a Jew and a male and a female and this one, the ethnic's worthy of them from and all this and that and other. No. So that is the point. Let's take another break. So that is the point of Melchizedek to take us back to Hebrew 7.

Yep. Is that he, and it says in verse 1, Melchizedek was king of Salem and priest of God most high. So he is an outlier from the system that the Jewish people would know. You know, they follow it, you know, the lineage. There was a handful which almost down to Melchazadek. I mean, there was not that many men of faith running around on planet. Well, and it's interesting, Jays, because to me, it's the great concept of when you think you know everything, you find out when it comes to God, you don't because you're not him. Nobody knew about this Melchazade.

We would never even know about him had Abraham not cross paths with him. And before Jesus, you could safely say, and it says there was. a remnant and it was not many out right not many came out of there i mean this guy was proclaimed as a high priest this chapter seven's probably the least talked about chapter in the new testament but i mean there's just because he's hang on do it so i think what's interesting because i read every commentary i could read just to try to figure out you know who this melchazidate was and boy that's a couple hours of my life i'll never get back because what's so weird.

It's kind of like a deep dive in Leviticus, you know? Well, no, here was the problem. So when you get to verse. You got to be a real serious to do it. Well, you know, you get to verse two, he says of seven, he says, defeat of the kings and blessed him. And Abraham gave him a tenth of everything, which, you know, that means he was somebody important because that was their gauge of superiority.

And by the way, just to just to let you know. No, that would be the precedent going forward whenever the 12 tribes came along. They're in the land of Canaan. One of the tribes is the Levites. They're the priest. All the rest of the tribes gave 10% of everything they had to that tribe so that they could do the spiritual work of the kingdom. So you understand that was the principle of the tithing in the 10th. But actually, Abraham started way back before all that happened, which was interesting that he knew that even.

A lot of these preachers in modern day they still after that team. They want to keep that part of it off. They like that. Let it says first his name means king of righteousness, then also king of Salem

means king of peace, which that obviously shadows you know, what Jesus would represent. Correct. Because you think about him, you know,

I thought about that Romans 3 passage where it says, but now a righteous from God has been revealed. You remember the first three chapters are just like sin, doom, and gloom. But then it's like, but a righteousness from God. We've got to have that first. So you have that atonement from Jesus that is offered.

And peace is later because even you have strife in between. I mean, you remember the verse where Jesus said, I didn't come to bring peace but a sword. But you find that rest and that peace in the wilderness of life. which I think goes back to that promise plus time equals trust. I mean, when you have Jesus' righteousness, there is a peace that develops. But it may not look like it while you're on the earth. But I think it mirrors this.

So the irony of it, Jace, is that the setting for their meeting, and it says it here in the text, was Abraham was at war with four different kingdoms. They had kidnapped a lot. Remember they had separated. Lot went down in the valley, Sodom and Gamora. Abraham's hanging up in the higher elevations, but they kidnapped him. And so Abraham went in to rescue him. Well, he had to go to war with all of his people against these kings.

And so that was the setting by which he met this king of peace. So that is cut to your point. So, yeah, you're right. And so the next verse is where all the controversy. Now, this is a doozy of a verse. Without father and mother, without genealogy, without beginning of days or end of life, like the son of. of God, he remains a priest forever.

So all the commentaries I said I read. So then it was like, well, who is Melchazid? I mean, we need a movie about this guy. That's right. Because, I mean, that, so most of the things I read, they either thought that he was just a mystery man. I mean, obviously God had a plan here and used him. And God, there's no gift that doesn't come from God.

Right. So I know where he came from, God. But, you know, some people say, well, he was. You remember that passage in Genesis is it six, where it says the sons, or four, where the sons of God slept with the daughters of men and it created giants. And so they had him in that lineage. Or some say, well, he was an angelic being. But the bottom line is they didn't have a record of where he came from.

Which is the ultimate point. Which doesn't seem like a big deal to us. but to them, that was everything. This liturgy and being passed on. Somehow, he's almost called immortal like Jesus because without beginning of days or end of life. So we know. Like the Son of God, he remains a person.

Well, and it's interesting because those first, you know, first 11 chapters of Genesis. We're going to be trying to figure out who Melchazid X was until Jesus. Well, there are other situations. You remember Enoch? You mean, there's just some strange things that happened during this era. Well, it was, but I don't, he wasn't, there's only, the only immortal being is God. Right.

And his, his three reflections or, or I always struggle with the word. Yeah. Personality, some people said. The word and the Holy Spirit. You see those three. So we know he's not that. Now, even if there were physical manifestations of. the deity, at least from the other realm, in several different situations.

Well, if they were celestial beings, though, Al, they still were created. Some people think maybe it was Jesus himself that just temporarily was in the form of a man. And there's been several instances in the Old Testament. Again, I'm just throwing out possibilities. Yeah, I tend not to think that. I tend to think this is more they just didn't know where he came from or where, which was the mystery of God. Yeah. Whether it was an actual or not, the point is.

he didn't have a record. If you wanted me to testify and give my opinion, I'd say, I think he was a man. He just didn't go through the normal heritage on paper, and they didn't have a funeral and, like, pass on his legacy. I just think he was a one. Does it ever say he was without sin? No, but it's going to get to a point that says that that's why Jesus is better. Yeah.

So that's why I said, I think this is a man. I think the point he's trying to make here in these first 10 verses, he's laying out this idea that that Malkesedek is better than Abraham. That's the point because you've got to keep in mind that the Jewish people, that's the point because they have this very high view of Abraham. And at the end of this section, he says, and so to speak, through Abraham, even Levi, who received, ties, right? You remember the Levites, the Levitical priesthood received tithes from the people.

But it says that he received those tithes in a way, you know, through Abraham. Oh, yeah. I was going to get to that because that's what the verses said. So he was basically saying, even though he hadn't been born, Leva, since he was a part of Abraham, I mean, I guess, what do you call that a twinkle in your eye. What's that saying? Yeah. I was doing this before you were a twinkle in your dad's eye or whatever. That's literally what he's referring to. Remember, you got Abraham, then you got Isaac, then you got Jacob and Esau, then you got the 12. So, and one of them's Levi. Well, I think what he's saying is, is that Levi received ties through Abraham while he was still in the loins of his father when Malkesedek met. Yeah, when Malkis. Yeah, when Malk

Cazidic met Abraham and Abraham tied to Malkesedek. So his point is, if Abraham, the patriarch of the faith, gave tithes to this guy, Malkesedek, and in all of our Levitical priesthood got their ties through Abraham, who do you think is a bigger deal, Malkesed or Abraham? Because Abraham was tied to Malkesed. And his point is, is that Jesus is that kind of priest. He's a priest in the order of Malkesedek. He's higher than even Abraham.

That's the point that he's setting up here. Hang on, Jess, let's take the break. He is saying that, and I only had one point of this whole section, because when you go back to John 8, because you say, well, man, this is getting kind of crazy with all this heritage and priesthood and Levi and him technically being part of this, because he would come from Abraham before, so we're like going back in time in a way.

I mean, that's his argument here in chapter 7. Here's my thought after reading this. I don't think you should get hung up on the shadow because the reality is Jesus. Right. And he's better. Because everything in the Old Testament and the Lord, that's his design, had its shadow.

Right. It's like from the earthly to the heavenly. Because you're going to get there in chapter 9 when he starts talking about all these copies that they were a copy, not the reality of themselves. But I want to read this because I think this is why this is in here. Because when you surrender to Jesus, where do you wind up going to? What's your go-to section of Scripture for how to live life?

Well, you go to the Gospels and see who Jesus, how he is, because he's the image of the invisible God. So this comes up in John 8, and this meant more to me after reading Hebrews 7, when I went back and read it. Because here the Jews come to him in 48, and they say, you know, they accused Jesus of being demon-possessed. And so, just to get to the crux of it, verse 52,

at this, the Jews claim, now we know that you are demon-possessed. Abraham died, and so did the prophets. Yet you say, if anyone keeps your word, he will never taste death. Are you greater than our father and Abraham? And my point is for going here. That's why the Hebrew writer's doing that

because they were putting all their eggs in who's the greater basket. And they're like, Abraham's the greatest, you know, and there's like, we don't milk as a day. That was some drifter out there, kind of running his own show. We don't even have any record of him. Even dying, don't know where he's.

is where his grave is. So then he says, are you greater than our father, Abraham? He died and so did the prophets. Who do you think you are? Which is a great question for everyone to ask once in their life. Who do you think Jesus is? Jesus replied, if I glorify myself, my glory means nothing. My father, whom you claim is your God, is the one who glorifies me.

Though you don't know him, I know him. If I said I did not, I would be a liar like you. Ooh, it's getting personal now. I mean, he basically called him a bunch of liars. But I do know him and keep his word. Your father, Abraham, now here's the key point. Rejoiced at the thought of seeing my day. He saw it and was glad.

Well, they're like, this guy, not only is he demon possessed, he's delusional. You're like, well, you're not 50 years old, the Jews said. How have you seen Abraham? And I think this gets into the argument about Levi and he was a twinkle in his dad's eye. Because then Jesus says, I tell you the truth, before Abraham was born, I am. That's quite the line. That's quite the line. But I think when you're looking at this and who Mel Kesedat was,

when it says without genealogy, without beginning of days or end of life, whatever the mystery was surrounding that, you're not going to find it out. I mean, you got 100 different commentaries. The reality, which is Jesus, he was here, he was not created. He is the creator. He came to Earth. But when you're talking about his genealogy, it never has a beginning and it never has an end, which if you're going to be saved better or more completely, which is what we're going to get to at the end, I would go with someone, which he's eventually going to say at the end of this segment that he became our high priest based on not on a regulation or his ancestry, but based on the fact of having an indestructible life. and that's 716.

Yeah, that passage you just read, though, I mean, think about the, think about the strange way that that was the Jesus spoke when he said before Abraham was, which is a temporal word, right? It's past tense. He's talking before Abraham was in the past. Then when he refers to himself, he says, I am. I mean, just that alone, when he refers to Abraham. him in the past, he refers to himself in the presence and the present. And I think that that's powerful because that's really what the whole point of the book of Hebrews is. They were worshipping the copy of the real thing. They were worshipping the art over the artist, the giver,

or the gift over the giver, however you want to say it. And so they had put all this stock in the patriarch of the faith, Abraham. And so when he gets there and he lays out this case of who Malkesedek was, I think the point is Malkesedek was a prototype. of Jesus. It's a reference point of how Jesus is greater. He says in verse four, Now observe how great this man was to whom Abraham, the patriarch, the one you just read about the Jesus mentioned. That guy, the great patriarch Abraham gave a tenth of his choicest spoils. And those indeed of the sons of Levi who receive the priest's office have command commandment in the law to collect a tenth from the people, that is, from their brethren,

although all these are descended from Abraham. But the one whose genealogy is not traced from them collected a tenth from Abraham and blessed the one who had the promises? But without any dispute, the lesser is blessed by the greater. In this case, mortal men receive ties. But in that case, the one who receives them of whom it is witnessed that he lives on. And so, again, he's just laying this foundation to say, like, you guys are all caught up in this patriarch Abraham, but don't you realize the one who set the whole deal up, the one you got up on the pedestal, that guy was tithing to Malkesedek. What does I tell you about Malkesedek?

And that's who Jesus is. He came in the form of Malkesedek. Hang on, Jess. Let's take our last break. And it doesn't mean that Abraham wasn't great. I mean, him showing the humility in that moment, he was great. Right. But we have someone greater.

Greater than Abraham, greater than Melchazadegh, we have the creator of the world came down. Well, and that's the greater point, which you referred to in John, is that the plan of God happened outside of time and creation. So as we came into being as human beings, you know, the interjections of the same God throughout our history, you said, Zach, our temporal awareness, he's coming and going to set us up to be able to join him in that outer eternal place that's outside of time and space.

So what's interesting to me is that, you know, the whole Marvel universe of, you know, these movies they make and all these superheroes, they're really piggybacking on this whole idea because I saw some of those when they're all together and they're fighting. and they got this guy, and he had this plan, he was going to change time, and, you know, they got the time pieces, the little jewels. But it's interesting, so people go to that and love it. Billions of dollars have been made for people to go watch these movies.

And they're really just laying out what we're reading about here that really something beyond time and space can then affect everything inside time of space. And so, to your point, there's no new thought, because that whole universe is piggybacking off of what we read about the Bible, except our God is not just, you know, some person that's in a costume, you know, with a neat shield. He's the real deal.

When this next section, he gives an argument for why he's giving the argument. And he does it with another argument about the law, because this is kind of fascinating if you think about it. I mean, it took me a while to wrap my head around it, but verse 11 says, if perfection could have been attained through the Levitical person. priesthood. And then in parentheses, it says, for on the basis of it, the law was given to the people, why was there still need for another priest to come? One in the order of Melchizedek, not in the order of Aaron. For when there is a change of the priesthood, there must also be a change of the law.

He of whom these things are said belong to a different tribe. And no one from that tribe has ever served at the altar. For it is clear that our Lord descended from Judah. And in regard to that tribe, Moses said nothing about priests. So you kind of get the point here. He's saying, if Jesus is our high priest, we're not under this law anymore because he wasn't, he wasn't from that tribe. Wrong tribe.

Wrong tribe. It'd be like, you know, in our government system, somebody says, in like the president said, when I'm now going to be king, well, we don't have a law for that. So if we went to that system, we would have to have new laws. I mean, everything would be obsolete because the whole system would change. So let me read two verses to you that give you that point. Number 1640, this was to remind the Israelites that no one except a descendant of Aaron should come to burn incense before the Lord.

So it was against the law. for anybody outside of the Levitical priesthood, which came from Mary. Deuteronomy 17, here's the other side, law. This is law. When he takes the throne, meaning the future king of Israel, of his kingdom, he is to write for himself on a scroll, a copy of this law, taken from that of the priest who are Levites. So it says he's supposed to carefully follow him.

So there was no interaction of king and priest. They had to be different. Well, there's actually a couple examples where, men tried to do that. I know Saul. Yeah, Jeroboam and Zai or two of the kings that came after that both tried. One of those guys tried it and the Lord struck him. He like had a skin disease or whatever. They had to quarantine him. And it's kind of a brutal story. But, well, people in power, they don't want to wait because I've briefly read those stories. And it was all in. The priest was coming, but he wouldn't get there. They didn't want to wait. So they're like,

well, I'm king, I'll do it, I want to. So I'll offer some sacrifice. Well, Jeroboam, I mean, when the kingdom split after Solomon, he just did his own thing. He made his own temple. He was the high priest of it. It was up in Samaria, which, you know, the woman at the well days in John 4, that all comes out of Jeroboam thousands of years earlier,

basically saying, you know, thumbs to the law, I'm doing what I want to. Well, we're getting deep. So how does, so how does, here's a good question. And how does, how would Judaism today account, how would they trace their priesthood to Aaron, to the Levitical tribe? I'm sure you can go. Yeah, I'm sure you can go.

I'm sure they, they're still keeping up with it. Well, I don't think. Bill Smith, Bill Smith's point was when I went through his class on Hebrews, and I haven't looked into it a ton, but his point was that when the temple burned in the AD 70, around 80s, 70, there is no more records. Oh, they lost the records.

Well, that's interesting. So they lost the records. And his point was, how do you have a legitimate priesthood in that circumstance? And without the book of Hebrews, one of the, I mean, the point would be that there is no priesthood, right? And so the idea is that this was a system that was coming to a conclusion just a few years later, you know, after this was written. And even when he mentions in verse 11, he's making this argument, if perfection was through the Levitical priesthood, then why would there be a need for another priesthood, which when I read that,

I thought, well, why does there have to be a, why is he assuming that there has to be a need for another priesthood, particularly in the order of Malkesed? And the reason why is because he's quoting later on, he quotes Psalms 110, that you are a priest forever according to the order of Malkesedek. So that was already in the Psalms. You know, Psalms 110, that they knew this. They knew that there was some kind of Malkesedekian priesthood that had to come.

And so he's laying out a logical argument here. Why? Why would the, if perfection could have came through the Levitical priesthood, then why would there be a need for a new priesthood? Psalms 110 be in the Bible? Why would it be in there? Yeah. And then even... And all of this, so then by what, from study in Hebrews, we are called, you are a chosen people, Peter said, 1st Peter 2.9, you are a royal priesthood. Exactly.

How is it that we all turned out to, in fact, be priest with the high priest, Jesus being over us? Well, I'm fixed to read it. Either old us or with us. But the whole reason. Yeah, read 15, 16, 17, 17 before we go to overtime, Jay. So 15, well, I wanted to read to 22. All right, go ahead. It says, and what we have said is even more clear if another priest like Melchazic

appears one who has become a priest not on the basis of a regulation as to his ancestry, but on the basis of the power of an indestructible life. And by the way, that's the only time that word is used in the entire Bible, that indestructible, which made me think, you only have to be. to make that claim once. It's just as powerful. But for he declared, for it is declared, you are a priest forever in the order of Melcheseech. So you see the connection of forever and indestructible.

The former regulation is set aside because it was weak and useless. For the law made nothing perfect. Nobody kept it. And a better hope is introduced by which, now here's the whole point. And that's why we're the priesthood, by which we can draw near to God. That's what the problem with this old system was you couldn't have, I mean, I think this is so awesome when I read that phrase, that we can draw near and have a relationship with the God of the universe because of what Jesus did. And it was not without an oath. Others became priests without any oath, but he became a priest with an oath when God said to him, the Lord has sworn and will not change his mind.

You are a priest forever. because of this oath you would have had to conquer death for that statement to be made yeah because of this oath now here's here's boy here's a bumper sticker Jesus has become the guarantee

of a better covenant which is what I said it's a hope that sure we said that in the last podcast it's all making sense now all right so hold that thought let's uh we'll flesh a little bit of that out that you just read in their overtime save and then we'll pick it up on the next podcast

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