Unashamed with the Robertson Family - Ep 514 | Phil Nails Down the Difference Between Saving the Planet and Stewarding It

Episode Date: July 18, 2022

Zach explains the entropy and its relationship to Romans 8. All creation wants to be liberated from its bondage to decay, and Jesus made this possible for all of humanity. Phil says the ones who want to save the planet will have to settle for stewarding it, as God told us to, and that there is an indestructible Kingdom already available. And Jase warns that heaven is not heaven because of golden streets, but because of the presence of God! Watch the Unashamed overtime show, only on BlazeTV: https://BlazeTV.com/Unashamed - Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

I am unashamed. What about you? So I'm preparing on my, I'm preaching Sunday, and we're still in Second Corinthians, which was a couple of books ago for our unashamed audience, but I'm having to go back and relook at some of that. So I'm in Second Corinthians 10, Jason. I've entitled the sermon, the boast with the most, because you know, that's where Paul said, if you're going to boast, boast in the Lord. He quotes from Jeremiah. And it's a really interesting chapter because he's really having to defend himself because of these quote unquote super apostles, whoever he was dealing with there in Corinth. But I thought it was interesting because he uses a lot of sarcasm in the chapter.

And you know, you don't see a lot of sarcasm in the Bible. And it's actually refreshing to me, Zat, because I love sarcasm. I mean, sarcastic comedians are funny to me. the sign fell a lot of other ones and so i really like that style and paul kind of does that and so i was i was going to tell my joke jays that so i told the joke it was it was my opening you know how you you kind of have a cold open you want us to critique that yeah i want you to tell me because i thought it was funny they call it an icebreaker yeah it's an icebreaker cold open it so i'm going to speak at this environmental thing that i mentioned to y'all before that i spoke on. And so, you know, and I'm always kind of on the look at, well, when I get to the airport in

D.C., I'm two hours from speaking. So, I mean, this is one of them just flying, get a ride to the event, go to the green room, go do your thing, and then out of here. It was one of those kind of situations. When I get to the airport, Lisa and I are walking through Reagan Airport, and I about ran into this huge man, and I kind of stepped aside, and I looked, and it was one of five, guess they were bodyguards, beefy big men surrounding one Dr. Anthony Fauci. So I'm literally within feet from Fauci. So as I'm driving over to the event, I mean, that happened. And I thought, well, that's my open right there.

He's evidently a big deal. He's a big deal. So when I get, so I formulate my little open and I get up. And so this is, I've mentioned to you guys before, this was a, they were environmental crowd, but they're conservatives. They're all young. everybody in the room is under 30. I thought, well, this is going to be good.

I'm going to make a little dig at Fauci. So I get up there and I said, you know, I just got here to D.C. I'm so glad to be, you know, up here speaking to you guys, appreciate you all having me. And you're never going to guess who I literally almost physically ran into at the Reagan airport just an hour and a half ago. Anthony Fauci. I said, and I made three observations about it. Was there any when you said Fousy, did they? Nobody said nothing.

It was just, okay. Crickets. Crickets. Now, just to give you the setting, the lights are super bright because they were filming this, and so I couldn't see my audience. At this point, the ice has not begun to break. There's still solid. It's in the ice.

Here was what I said. I said, I said, I made three observations about Anthony Fauci, because I've never seen the man in person before. One is he's very short. I mean, he's like, he's not even five foot tall. I never realized that on television, but he's a little bit. man. He's very small. The second observation I made is that he had five bodyguards around him or something.

The big, beefy men that were walking along. If you're in charge of the health, if you're the health care czar, why would you need five bodyguards? I mean, he's basically a bureaucrat, right? For 40 years, he's just, but anyway. I don't know. He had five bodyguards. It was an interesting observation.

You're not making fun of him. You're just. I was just making an observation. So, and then I, And I said, and the third thing I noticed was that he was wearing a mask because you would always wonder, because you don't have to wear him now, but he was wearing one. Okay. And here was my, here was my attempt to break the eyes. All right.

I said, which I fully support Anthony Fauci wearing a mask because I'm against the spread of BS. See, that guy. I mean, that's pretty funny. I thought that's funny. I probably wouldn't have done that. Was it crickets or did that? Crickets. Not even a help chortle.

Was this a church setting? No. So it's just, it was an environmental. Probably wouldn't have done that one. It couldn't even grin at that. Well, I mean, it just, it shocked me because I expected someone to chuckle. I thought it was. Yeah, but I think you used to, you used an analogy that's technically a crude word.

Yeah, but they would, trust me, this group wouldn't have been bothered by that. That's why I used it. I wouldn't have said that in church, but, but this way. The problem was delivery. It had to have been delivery. Well, I guess you're right. But I am reminded. Yeah, but dad laughing means very little in societal tendencies.

I'm thinking they were too young. They just didn't get it. I don't know. Somebody said this. And I want to say it was Margaret Thatcher. I can't remember. I told Jason after the last podcast that last week, it's that poor. Minds discuss people, average minds discuss events, and great minds discuss ideas.

So maybe that was it. Maybe we got to move. We got to move towards the ideas. Well, I agree with that. I think that. Say that again? Because let me let my mind. So poor minds discuss people.

Average minds discuss events and great minds discuss ideas. Who did say that? I need to look that. So what you're saying is I have a poor mind. Is that it? Because you picked on the person, not the ideas. Well, it is interesting that I, and again, that was just a cold open idea that didn't. All I have to say is, as it turns out, okay, the bodyguards could save you from this and that and the other.

But when it comes to the COVID thing, the mask didn't happen. No, it didn't work. Well, it didn't work. It was Eleanor Roosevelt. Sorry. Oh, no wonder that's a terrible quote. Eleanor Roosevelt. A perfect segue.

A terrible idea. A perfect segue. Because Jesus, I mean, God chose to introduce himself not through an idea, but through a person. That's true. So if you're going to be a person to introduce or change the world, you'd have to be a perfect person, which is going to get into the qualities of Jesus. Yeah, which is what we're going to know. If you went with a person and they were. perfect and indestructible, that would throw a wrench in your saying, Zach.

So to my point, I didn't say it. No, I didn't say. Well, the ideas of a perfect, indestructible person. But to Eleanor Roosevelt's credit, what I did learn when I got nothing back was I thought, okay, this is not going to be a jokey crowd. So I just pivoted. No, I think it was the joke. I pivoted right into my ideas about conservation.

A joke was a little too low brow. I guess you're right. I mean, I didn't know why they didn't laugh. I wouldn't have said that in any audience. I wouldn't have used that for not. So you got nothing. Did you get anything? I don't even come close to what he said.

Yeah, I didn't get a chortle. I probably would have said that was. By the way, for those of you, don't be offended by BS. That means bull shabaki. Yeah. Which is the word our granny used. That's the granny would say, right? It could be used by anything.

But you, we didn't compare notes here. So my point was, my point was about sarcasm. This is how it ties into my lesson Sunday. Because I think I'm going to tell it on why it didn't work, but I won't use that phrase. But that sarcasm, because I was being sarcastic, right, that didn't land with this particular group. And it may be deliveries. That may be right. But Paul's point in his, in St. Corinthians 10, and I came across something I wanted to share with you because I'm not going to use this Sunday, but in my research,

for the lesson. I came across something I thought was really good from Chuck Swindal in his commentary from 2nd Corinthians 10. It was about facing criticism. And it was just his, because that's, you know, that's what Paul was facing all this immense criticism in 2nd Corinthians. But I thought about it because we get a lot of criticism, right? Because we're out there.

We talk a lot. Jason found out one tweet, right? And you get all these people. So he had three thoughts that I thought were good. I just wanted to share them because I won't preach this, but I thought I was going to share it with our audience. one, when you're facing criticism, no one is immune to criticism. That was his first thing.

In other words, and the more you're engaged, the more you're going to be criticized. And no one's immune to it, you know, even popular people, whatever. His second point was that criticism can be taken too lightly or too seriously. He said, we need a balanced approach, meaning that sometimes criticism is critique is good because you want to grow from it. But then sometimes when it's too much over the top, you know, you want to be able to let that go. And he quoted Proverbs 276, wounds from a friend can be trusted, but an enemy multiplies kisses, which I thought was an interesting thing.

In other words, there are people in your life. You should always have people around you that will tell you the truth, even sometimes when you don't want to hear it. So it's constructive. Call me, I'll tell you the truth. I know you will. And I'm glad I have you in my life for that reason. But he also said, as part of that, don't dwell on excessive criticism or praise, which has been my philosophy of ministry since about year 10. I figured out that I was never as good as some people said I was, but I wasn't near as bad as other people thought I was.

Yeah, we all make mistakes also. And something, I mean, look, if you listen to this podcast long enough, you know, we're going to get things wrong and say stupid things, you know. I mean, like, if you would have told me you were going to do that joke, before I'd have said, no, don't do it, Al. I would have said, don't do that. Don't do it. Sometimes they land. Here's my scriptural basis.

Well, go ahead. I was going to say, when you just said that out, reminded me of one of the first times that I got to teach at White Street Road, church you guys go to. And it was, I mean, it was one of those ones that it landed very well, unlike your joke. And Mac Owen came up to me afterwards because they clapped at the end of the sermon. And I'm up there thinking, well, boy, I forgot this figured out.

I just sit this out of the park. Oh, it was awesome. And Mac was like, you know, if you do a good sermon, you always have like three or four people, five, six people, whatever, waiting in line to talk to you to give you a feedback or whatever. And so Mac was in there. He was in that line. And I thought one of my mentors is in the line to, tell me what a great job I did. I was excited about that. And then when he got up there, he said,

hey, remember, when you preach a sermon like that, he said, don't wait around for the applause, leave. It was kind of like a rebuke. It was like a rebuke. I was fixed to say that myself. You know, when we used to go around and preach this little churches, and they would say, because they tell you, like, do, you know, here's how we do things. Do this, do that. You're in charge of the invitations, you know, I always said the same thing. I said, when the last time somebody responded around here. Probably four or five years ago. But then they would say, you know, at the end, you get back here and greet everybody as they leave.

I said, no, I'm not doing that. Once I finish, I'm out of here. And he said, well, you don't want to hear what they have to say about your sermon? I said, no. Nope. It's not me who's doing the speaker. In fact, you even handled the stuff that happens. So it's no one's media criticism.

Criticism needs to be balanced. in other words, not too light but not too serious. And by the way, he made a point under there, I thought it was interesting. He said, you can accept anonymous gratitude. Somebody sends you a note and tells you something really great but doesn't sign their name. He said, accept that because they really mean it because they're not trying to butter you up. But don't accept anonymous criticism. Because if they don't put their name on it, then what difference does it make?

There's a little text kind of squeezed in there and it says, if it's possible, try to live at peace with all men as far as it depends on you. That's the code that I sort of keep reminding myself. I just don't do. You can tell it's pretty difficult, or he wouldn't have said, if it's possible. I'm not into gauging response. So here's the third. The third and final point, some criticism needs to be answered, but most.

does not. And I thought that was another wise talk. I'm bowing back on this. I think you should ask people who would tell you the truth. So if I give a lesson, because I really, you know, I'm a homer. I feel like if you put the time in and your heart is right, you know, and you have the Holy Spirit, I just think that's the way God speaks. And so I would, you know, if I want to know, I'll ask my wife, because she'll tell me.

I'll be like, what'd you think about that? She's like, just, that was a complete goose egg. So I'm like, okay. So you said, what'd you think? She goes. Yeah, she gives a thumbs down. Okay. To me.

Pushback, that's exactly what he said to do. He said have people in your life that will do that. I think he's talking about the broad sense that people want to be popular and therefore they don't like to be criticized. And it bothers them. But he's like, you've got to expect it. Oh, yeah, I don't mind it. But my point is, I,

I keep thinking about social media while you're talking about all this. I'm just like, I just did this new show. You're like, how much of the criticism or praise have you read on that? Zero. Because in my opinion, and I, and one of our cast members is new to this. And so he called me one night and was like, hey, that was a guy that sent me a message. And I said, on your phone or on social media? and he said social media i said okay let's let's stop and he started getting frustrated because i wouldn't

let him finish and i said oh i don't there's going to be thousands of that and so we started it began an argument and he's like well i think you had a good point i was like no let me let's back up if you want to know what you think about the show ask me i'll tell you or about anything you did or or ask people that that you can trust i was like because Once you go down that road, it will then subconsciously affect how you operate. I was like, you don't. And there are many, many people, Judge. And we're doing this for a greater purpose, which we are.

I had to remind him. This is, God uses these things. There's many people in this world that that determines everything about them as comments. Well, you know, it's funny. Hang on that. It was funny. It was funny. Let's take a break.

Well, I wanted to read this verse because while I was talking, but I mean, it's verse we all know, but I do think it's important. I mean, because they got Jesus wrong for the most part, they got John and the Baptist wrong for the most part. Why? Because they were giving these opinions. Now, if they were to listen to them, what would have happened? I mean, and so he addresses that in Matthew 11 and 16 when he said, to what can I compare

this generation? They're like children sitting in the marketplace and calling out to others. We played the flute for you and you didn't dance. You sang a dirge and you didn't mourn. what's his point you're not responding how we feel you should be responding that's right and so he says for john came neither eating or drinking and you say well he has a demon or are they wrong yes yeah they wrong because they were given their opinion and their criticism based on what they saw and they were completely wrong heart was heart was right all along son of man came eating and drinking and they say here's a glutton and a drunker

friend of tax collectors and sinners. What was his point for saying all this? Wisdom is proved right by her actions. So when you have this war of words, and especially in the social media age, it's easy to type something and be completely wrong, you know, about the heart of the matter. But what I was going to say is you brought up this Dr. Fauci or whatever.

But in doing a little research, search for this because this we're in Hebrew 7 and I think we did a fair job going through the historical aspect and the Jewish history part of the shadow that Jesus fulfilled. And his being our high priest is way better. So when he gets down to Hebrews 7, which is where we left off 15 and 16, when he said, we have a priest who has become a priest in verse 16, not on the basis of a regulation as to his ancestry, but on the basis of the power of an indestructible life. It's the only time that word is used in the Bible.

Indestructible. So you said, well, what does that mean? How would you define that? Cannot be destroyed? He's eternal No fact He's an eternal No matter what anybody says

He's eternal Right Yeah This is the ultimate Believe in him Zarr of health care Believe in him Believe in him

Or die But you know You make a good point I hadn't thought about Because there's definitely With COVID In America I mean everybody was really scared

At first I mean You know What's going to happen And then it just seemed like it kind of took its own course, but Fauci in some people's mind, he was a high priest. Exactly. He was the guy.

That's the point of me. Yeah, I know. I hadn't thought about that, but you're right. When he gets down to verse 20. He was almost a religious figure. Yeah. When he gets down to 25 and says there, because we know this is all about spiritual, but I'm making the point that he brought in the physical aspect of it because we're talking about ancestry and

genealogies and the burial. where's the body and he well he he's indestructible there's not going to be there's no line if your line has no end as far as you physically being a presence and a being and so uh you know he's going to bring up this point in in chapter nine about a will and it doesn't go into effect till the person dies well jesus died but when you go to acts too you know something peter said that I've always just been all about when it says it was impossible for his body to see decay. It was not possible. That's right.

What a statement. I mean, I'm like at that point in the sermon, I'm like, You sort of asked what you did or alive. His body couldn't see. His body wouldn't decay. He didn't even from the agony of death. It was impossible for his body to see decay. Well, whoever that is, that's a lot.

who we need to roll with. Right. And so for fun, I did this a couple years ago on a podcast, and I had the top 10, because I, you know, I went to the Internet and said things that are indestructible. And to my surprise, list came up. So I thought, well, this ought to be fun. Well, I revisited it, and the top Google search, they have 25 things. Now, I want to read this because, I mean, the caveat here is,

the title is 25 most indestructible things known to man. Most indestructible. Well, here's the first sentence of this list, which is kind of a, the icebreaker here is. I hope it's better than my iceberg. Nope, it's actually worse. Well, good. Me and my poor mind can wrap around this thing.

Here is the first sentence. of this compilation of indestructible things known to man. Nothing is truly indestructible. However, some things are definitely made better than the rest. So we call this a, we thought it was indestructible, but no. So I would put, if I was going to criticize and be on the other side of this in the comments, I would, because right above that says science. Oh, man.

Just follow the science, Jay. I think I would type Hebrews 716 into the chat. So 20, and I'm not going to go through all of them, but I just thought some of these were funny. And look, anybody who's followed my thought process over the years realizes that I have a problem when the world uses Godly principles to sell merchandise. I mean, before we started this today, the guy behind the wall here pushing all the buttons, he said, hey, I know you're into this, but I stopped at the store and there was a bottle of cream at the checkout place for $2.99.

And it said timeless, what was the, mail? Timeless, timeless lotion. Timeless face. Cream. paint yeah face cream well think about that you put this cream on your face and time stands still the aging process stock well are they not conveying what we're reading here in this manuscript over a manuscript over spiritual your physical and spiritual and soul well-being jesus has become our high priest the bridge between God and man.

I thought you were going to say, let's take a break. I thought you were going to say, there's one I see all the time on commercials, ageless male. There's another one for you. Well, I was going to say this, all those commercials. Now, when did this? It's aimed at older men. But you brought up Seinfeld, and, you know, he does a joke about this,

because he says what happens is we're obsessed with having to be entertained. Right. And so that's why a lot of people, they'll stay up. late at night. And they can't, even though there is sleepy, they can barely hold their eyes open, they keep changing channels. This is a Seinfeld bit. Speaking of Icebreaker.

And he's like, you find yourself in this in-between phase of life and death. Because death is like asleep. He basically brings that out. And he said, that's when the advertisers realize that in that moment, you will actually He entertained the idea of buying anything. And he said, that's why. That's right. That's why in my closet, he said, I have a knife that will cut through a shoe.

It was made in Japan. Because in a moment of delirium, I thought, I need this Zizzitsu that will actually cut through a shoe. Because you need to cut through shoes so much. That's what he said. Because I have that need so much in my life that I love to cut through a shoot. But I thought that was funny. But they're selling you on this ageless, timeless. And everybody, you know, Oprah had our hope in the jar.

And, you know, we have a store that Forever 21. And what did it do? It went bankrupt. Guess they didn't want to be Forever 21. Wouldn't that be impossible if you? So I'm going to give you a few of these. But, you know, checking in at 25 is the undefurb. indestructible children's books.

They have a whole series. And you say, what does that mean? I'll read the caption. Design with children in mind, these books are made out of such a resilient paper like material that they can't be ripped, torn, punctured, or chewed to an edible state. And what's more, they're waterproof and non-toxic. Well, that's good.

Can you burn them? What are you going to do? No. That's what I'm saying. One of these on the list is a tungsten wedding ring. Yeah. Cannot be destroyed. You can't lose it.

Yeah. I can slip off. So checking in at 24, since this is the game all around the world now, I guess, is football. It spelled F-U-T. Yeah, football. So they made a ball that cannot be deflated or punctured. Multiple points. You can stab it and the air won't come out of it. So it made the indestructible. So there's a tire where basically they took the technology that they're using for this ball.

But I just guarantee you, you know what I thought was I would love for my job to be, because I would always win, is to go around. and debunk all these myths. I'm like an indestructible destroyer. You would just destroy all things. Any product that people deem as indestructible. I think it'd be a... Can you destroy?

I think it would be a great... Because the last time I did this a couple years ago, we got emails about this. Oh yeah, now I'm telling you, you're saying that that house, because there was a house that they built on a beach, and it costs like, I don't know what. They made a hurricane proof.

If you made a tablet, one little tablet, and you told people this, you take this one tablet, I know you're getting on up in years, you take this tablet, and you will be indestructible. You'll live forever. The question is, would they buy it? Well, that's the whole deal. Even if it was very expensive. Only if it was late at night. If you've touted it as this makes you indestructible.

You put that in with not having slept in 14 hours laying on a couch? Yeah, I think they'll buy it. I do tell you. Look, 23 is an indestructible business card. Same concept. Developed in Japan. These cards are waterproof, tearproof, and you can even store them in a full glass of water. I love the taglines.

You have to remember, they didn't get me because somebody gave it to me. but I have a belt on that is guaranteed for 90 years. Well, that's not imperishable, though, Bill. That's 90 years. 90 years is all you can get out of it. There's 21 on the list. Look, there's a suit, like a three-piece man suit that is bulletproof. And they have the caption beside it.

We have a guy holding a gun. They have a suit wrapped around a mannequin at a shooting range, and he's just blowing bullets. And they're not bouncing off, but they're sticking in the suit. Then they show pictures of that. Like something straight out of a James Bond movie, an estimated $20,000 for this suit. That's all it costs. The, I won't do the name brand here, but the armored business suit is able to protect its wear from a gun assault by using the same carbon nanotubes designed for the U.S.

troops uniforms so there you go they uh polo actually has a a shirt on down the list it's just a like a golf shirt and it costs let me find that because the price of that was incredible uh i think it was $3,400 yeah just a shoot and it's just a blue shirt the cala let's see caballero polo shirt $3,475 oh and you said why Why, it's actually number seven on the list here. It is touted to be better than Kevlar. This shirt offers you bulletproof protection for a reasonable price of $3,475.

You can go play golf in this shirt film. So we have the usual suspect. There's a lock on here that's indestructible, which I thought was interesting because I find a lot of locks when I'm metal detecting, and it's always, I always chuckled because I think, here's a log list, 200 years old, and that's all this left. Not the contents of whatever it was protecting, just the lock, which is kind of funny.

There's an indestructible umbrella, supposedly used by personal security guards of the president in the Philippines. This unbreakable, indestructible umbrella has multiple creative uses. I wonder if it's like the pink. Remember the pin went on the old Batman show? He could shoot out of his. His was a gun. So there's an indestructible pin created by some cybernetic research. It's known for being the most reliable and durable pen on the planet.

It even lets users write while they're underwater. I know those waters a lot. I told you about the house. I think this was a fascinating one because there's a website about this bridge and your stomping grounds, Zach, in Durham, North Carolina, it's a low bridge, but the website documents all the trucks that get their tops ripped off by this absurdly low bridge, but it's been deemed the world's unofficial, toughest, indestructible bridge because of the carnage, and there's actually a picture of a truck just because somebody put a camera up there,

because they said, well, let's document this. And that's the... So they keep trying to... Website is a stationary camera that focuses on the bridge. And about every day or two, an 18 winter comes by and just gets ripped in half. The bridge is still there. I like that. Just leave it instead of camera.

That's... It's awesome. I thought this is so funny. Let's take a break. So there's a helmet. Because if you protect your head, then they have, look, a hard drive. There's a fire. phone that's deemed indestructible.

We have the shirts. We have, now this is interesting. I just got a couple more because I know this is getting long, but I just think it's comical. There's an indestructible glass pipe. You know these pipes that people smoke out of? I'm sure it's nothing that's illegal. But whatever, they smoke in these glass pipes,

they have one that's called magic glass water pipe. You can use it to hammer a nail without breaking. the glass. It's actually number six on the list. Then you have number four is an indestructible toilet seat. Oh, boy. So and so, yeah, they recently unveiled this indestructible toilet seat, marvel.

It's a marvel. It does not discolor, resist stains, and is made of virtually an indestructible, one piece construction. Now look. And for a, what do you call it? Aminity with it is you, because they have toilet paper that's called

eternal, I think Charmin has that, the internal role, which lasts a month, by the way. So you had that with the indestructible toilet seat. Turner toilet paper with indestructible seat. Yeah.

For those that enjoy their bathroom. Okay. And so we get all the way a number one, which I thought is funny. So on the list, number one is a pair of sunglasses. Because I thought as many sunglasses I've lost, broken. Jason, it's only one problem with the people that you're quoting their thinking. Without Jesus, you're not indestructible. It's denial, which was going to be what I was going to say.

But let me read the tagline about sunglasses. You can bend them, sit on them. kick them and even run over them in a fire truck. But they'll still work. Which I find myself at a fire truck so often. You want to be indestructible? There's a way. So I looked up, Jason, when you were reading your list, there's been one movie called Indestructible.

Was it about Jesus? It was not. And it was actually a documentary from 2007. And it was an actor who made. made that he found out he had ALS. So he made a movie about going through the process of ALS, which is a, you know, that's a terminal disease. It shuts down all your muscles.

And we've known some people. So, I mean, ironically, I hadn't watched the movie. Maybe some of our audience has, but he died less than a year after the movie. Of course, proven the point. Well, that was going to be my point. I mean, I did this kind of for fun. But when you think about the pain in life and diseases and all the heartache and all this panic over the coronavirus.

That's why when you brought that up, I was thinking, perfect, because we hadn't collaborated. But I was going to be serious at the end because I like, we have a historical document with evidence that you can go back

thousands of years put together where the creator of the universe worked out this plan to bring about an indestructible being to the planet that we could actually relate to. That's right. Yeah. That you could not be fearful

about contacting some disease or all the pain that happens in life. And when you look at how shallow the world is, you say, what do they have to offer? They took a few products. None of those things that I read are truly indestructible. Just give it time. None of those things were indestructible. They're trying to sell something for obscene amounts of money.

And here we have a real, and as we're looking at the details in Hebrews, very carefully constructed scheme of redemption. And in this case, the people where it came to first, the Jewish nation, were having trouble because they were still wanting to hold on to the structure and the history and being just God's chosen people and missing what was truly revealed, which is an indestructible life that visited our planet. Do not be afraid of those who kill the body because the person who kill the body said, we're done with him, but cannot kill the soul.

So even though the ones that come up and said, we got rid of him, like they did to Jesus. And they didn't. Whoops. Nope. Not this time. Well, here's. We're about the ones that kill the body. We're about the one to get the body on soul.

Here's the way the Hebrew writer would describe it, starting in verse 23. Now, there have been many of those priests, what's he talking about, the destructible priests. These are people that die. There have been many of those priests since death prevented them from continuing in office. So he makes it the point. They are destructible. But because of verse 24, because Jesus lives forever, he has a permanent priesthood. therefore he is able to save eternally or completely those who come to God through him because he always lives to intercede for them

meaning that he always lives which is the key right such a high priest meets our need and here was the point you made a minute ago jays one who is holy blameless pure set apart from sinners exalted above the heavens unlike the other high priest, he does not need to offer sacrifices day after day, first for his own sins, then for the sins of the people. He sacrificed for their sins once for all when he offered himself. For the law appoints as high priest men who are weak, but the oath, there's that word, which came after the law, appointed the son who has been made perfect forever. Wow. It was worth all the details and figuring out the Levitical priesthood and who you know who's this Mel Cazadec and because I know when I was even when we went to school

I was thinking what what is this all mean it's a bog yeah it doesn't seem practical and I'm like but then all of a sudden you're like well wait a minute here his resume and God worked this plan to bring bring someone who meets our need that number one that's just quite a statement there's a lot of needs on planet earth when it comes to human beings and he's holy blameless pure set apart from sinners and exalted above the heavens and oh by the way he lives forever he's in this position forever and he came after me yep and hey hang on that let's take a break go for it and to phil's point earlier when he brought up the passage in Hebrews 12 about a kingdom that is indestructible as well

I know it's a different word which you had to go check that when you said that that was the only place in the Bible that term was used was a little fact check was that a bit proven to be right I took someone's word yeah yeah I didn't see the word the Greek word anywhere else and and by there is language that speaks of indestructible kingdom Daniel two which you mentioned a few weeks ago, the passage that Phil mentioned in Hebrews 12 about the kingdom itself is indestructible, a kingdom that can't be shaken nor destroyed. And so you start to get this idea of everything you're reading about all those funny marketing ploys. But truthfully, you know, you think about the second law of thermodynamics that says that, well, one way of saying is that energy can't be

created or destroyed. It can only be transferred. But, but, but, Really the second law of thermodynamics is this, that over time, things tear up. I guess the first law is that it can't be created or destroyed. And then the second law is entropy, that over time, things tear up. Including this planet we're riding on. Yeah, exactly. So what I was saying about Romans 8, which says that the creation itself, let me turn there, because I'm probably going to butcher that.

Something effective, the creation itself is waiting. Well, it wants to be liberated from its bondage of decay, the NIV says. Yeah, that's what it is. It's to be liberated from its bondage to decay, which is, that's it, the second law of thermodynamics, that everything is tearing up. Our bodies are tearing up. You know, the earth's tearing up. It's wearing out.

But God is going to redeem that one day. And I think that's important when we get into this conversation about the priesthood, particularly under the king priest of Jesus in the order of Marquesadag, the reason why it matters that he's indestructible is because we want to be indestructible, and we want to be grafted kind of into that indestructible kingdom. Therefore, as the Hebrew writer said earlier, in the beginning, O Lord, you laid the foundations of the earth, and the heavens are the work of your hands.

They will perish, but you remain, they will all wear out like a, a garment, you'll roll them up like a robe or garment they'll be changed, but you remain the same and your years will never end. That's why when Jay said the power of an indestructible life, he's making the point that what you said, this thing's going to wear out, Zach, hold the cosmos. It's going to wear out. People are so obsessed with climate change and wearing masks. That's right. They said, we'll save it. And you know, so you know what they do, they realize, well, we need to get off the planet. So now they're into what, maybe we can live in Mars.

And I mean, the richest people in the world, they're looking into this because they, you say, what's their problem? They realize there's some people out there whether they're believers or not. They realize that we're only here for a short time. That's it. And even why, either us or the place we live, it just, it won't last forever. Right. But even if, even if, but even if you get off planet Earth a lot,

I mean, I think here's the interesting thing to me about about that law of thermodynamics I mentioned earlier. We're talking about just planet Earth. We're talking about the entire physical universe. One day, this is a fact of science that one day, if things keep going on, eventually every single heat source, every star, every fire, every candle, it will all burn out. all of it so you i mean there is a day coming when this universe will not there will it will be impossible for life to exist anywhere in the universe because the universe is wearing out the thing is it's it's it is just like we are we are groaning with eager expectation we are we want to be released from this bondage to decay nobody likes it that's

why we that's why you can sell what was the thing you said earlier al forever 21 or ageless male. Ageless man. That's right. We all have that yearning and that longing. Yeah. Well, that's why I love chapter 8 and 1 when he said the point of what we're saying is this, because I just sometimes just like, what's your point?

This statement that he says is so hard to get your head wrapped around because there's a lot of implications of it. But he says, we do have such a high priest. I mean, he had just said this. son who has been made perfect forever. So he says, we do have such a high priest who sat down. He's an eight. Eight, one, and two.

Who sat down at the right hand of the throne of the majesty in heaven. And who serves in the sanctuary, the true tabernacle, set up by the Lord, not by man. There's a place where Jesus is sitting that we're going to go to. Right. but it's a place that's indestructible. It's forever. And the people sitting on it, they're indestructible. And when you think about those, the resume things that we read,

what makes this doable from just trying to wrap your head around it is that they're 100% pure. They're 100% holy. There's never going to be a point in time, you know, 10 million years from now when we're in this, I mean, I just call it a place in this sphere where Jesus is, it's never going to be like, oh, well, we're going to have to do this again, or we get up there and there's going to be some mischief, or there's going to be a war breakout.

No, we're going to become like Jesus, 1st, John 3. We're going to be like him. And what is he like right now? He's sitting at the right hand of the throne of the majesty in heaven, the safest place imaginable right keeping with his promise we are looking forward to a new heaven and a new earth the home of righteousness well that's why he talked about a jays a commercial fisherman without any education what is he doing saying the heavens will disappear with a that's a commercial fisherman with no thorough education elements will be just elements why do he

about that. Destroyed in fire and the earth and everything ended to be laid bare. Well, he's talking about the elements and he's some fishermen on the Sea of Gatelagh, catching fish for a living before he ran up on Jesus. That guy is talking some serious stuff here. That kind of sounds like you, that is the commercial fishermen. Tell me about it. I was thinking about when you were talking about that, Jason, about the idea of it.

It's the smartest commercial fisherman ever. Well, when you hang with Jesus, that's what happens, right? Jesus makes you smart. I was trying to think of that text, I think it's Matthew 19, where the disciples were, remember they were like, he said something about having the 12 thrones and that they would, you know, rule and he gives them this picture. And I thought it was interesting because the disciples in their short-sightedness before the resurrection started arguing as to where their thrones were going to be. You know, who gets to be in throne number one. What's funny is to show you that they were collapsing in the same mindset as the Hebrew audience, that when you're in heaven forever with Christ, I mean, even if you're on a footstool,

that's probably good enough, right? I mean, where your throne is in that, once you've arrived there. We always, as humans, try to apply, just like they did in the commercials for all those indestructible items, We try, I mean, it's like the song about the streets of gold, and I got a mansion over the hilltop. I'm like, okay, great. Let me know, I'll come by and visit you on my way. We have a whole group. We're doing something a lot greater than that.

We have a whole group of individuals that say, we are going to save the planet, and we don't believe that God's going to take it away, destroy it. Well, we're going to find out who is right. I mean, to me, honestly, I would rather, you know, go to heaven. and go out into a field that were simulated or whatever, it wouldn't matter. And I find a, you know, a gold coin with Jesus. Then to walk on a street, we don't need that money. Which, by the way, that was the purpose behind that sort of writing was,

this thing is so great, all the things you think are so precious in life, I mean, you'll be, you drive on that. So people say, well, what about revelation? and the whole book's about it. I'm like, it's a picture of trying to take the greatest things that we can think of, saying, it's going to be kind of like that, but like better.

Yeah, well, you mentioned it. I mean, it's not, the heaven is not heaven because of the streets of gold. Heaven is heaven because that's where Christ is. That's where the presence of the Lord is. I appreciate this. That's the whole thing that he's getting out here. Yeah, that's the new tabernacle.

It's the real tabernacle. Because he's there sitting there. He's there. That's where we're going to be. We're there. What are we going to do? Who cares? Don't worry about that.

I'm pretty far out about it. Well, and that's the deal because he, that's why he said, you remember earlier, he said, that's why that anchor is there behind the curtain because that's where Jesus is. So wherever he is, that's where our hope is. That's where our trust is. I mean, that's what he says. You know, Jay, as I compare it to the, I call it this whole thing you were mentioned about, man, you get into the minutiae.

of law and priesthood and it just kind of makes your brain tired. All of that is, I call it the black velvet concept. You go into a jewelry store. You notice when they got all their jewelry, shiny, they always have it on some dark velvet-looking material. Good point. I like where you're going on this. Because it actually, look, I'm going to be honest, when I was studying this, I actually

called you. We've done 500 podcasts or how many have we done? This is number 512. 5.20. We need a counter every day. So I was like, actually it's 514. Have you read chapter 7 through 9 lately?

You didn't want to say much. You're just like, yeah. I was like, boy, that's, I mean, this is going to be hard to, you know, it's not going to be very entertaining. That's what I was thinking. I was trying it because I read it. And I was like, I made it this simple one shot deal. Jesus, winner take off.

He's close. Well, I told Al. I said, I told Al. I said, it's like. The point is, I made a statement to you. I think I said, you know, we're going back into Jewish history, which in essence the point was Jesus is better. That was their statement.

And you said, well, that's it. I was like, oh, I know that's it. But how are we going to talk an hour about that? It's like, how are we going to get there? Time's up now. I'm going to still running out. We've talked two hours and we haven't even asked. Because in verse 23 through 26, 27, we really had even dissected that yet.

I was like, days, don't worry. But I did, what I was going to say was, though, in looking at all those details and just waiting through it, you know, a few commentaries and seeing how all the shadows where God revealed the fulfillment in Jesus, there was something in that process that excited me. I thought, God is, you're talking about patient and willing to go the extra mile and then the next mile and the next mile to do what it takes to be appealing to every single human being that's ever been and that ever will be. I mean, that's why he did this. He found out the most appealing scheme to humanity to reveal himself in Jesus, and he did it. Because I know that's the most appealing because that's what God chose to do.

You know what you experienced? The black velvet effect. That's a great illustration. I'll be honest. Your joke thumbs down. The black velvet illustration thumbs up. That's because my mind is getting better. Thank you, Eleanor.

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