Unashamed with the Robertson Family - Ep 515 | Phil Robertson Is Recovering from Stabbing Himself with a Knife

Episode Date: July 20, 2022

Phil tells a hilarious story about a recent self-inflicted injury and how one might skip a trip to the doctor. Jase shares the funny tale of throwing away his own shirt and talks about why he has to take a monthlong break from eating grits. Zach talks about the James Webb space telescope and how it demonstrates a more exact creation by God. Al gives some examples of places that need more God. And Jase pinpoints what a popular board game got wrong about life. Sign up to watch the Unashamed overtime show, only on BlazeTV: https://BlazeTV.com/Unashamed - Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

I am unashamed. What about you? Well, I looked up and everybody was gone. That seems to happen frequently at your place. I'm like, did I miss the meeting? My wife had an event, Tennessee. She's visiting the grandbaby and Mia turned the corner. And she's the shirt on going down. Yeah, she's looking.

She's looking good. I mean, it was a rough deal. So she took off to some church camp, which I thought was pretty courageous, I mean, because she looks like she's been in a fight. But I was like, hey, she won't see her friends. She's, I told her she needs to eat something. Boy, she lost some weight.

It's hard to eat when you're. It wasn't like she had a ton to lose to begin with. She's pretty scared. Oh, that was basically just a reaming out of. Ream, yep, ream out. And previous operations. Yeah. Basically, it was the finishing touches, but it was a lot.

You know, when you say that, you're thinking icing on the cake. Now, this was more just like a brutal. Make another cake. Yeah, it was brutal. The resilience of young people, especially with conditions that are, you have to manage like that. It's tough. But this must have been a good week for you, Jay's, because you said in the past that when you're alone, that's some of the best company you keep.

Yeah, but I got a war going on at my house, and I'll share something with you. Now, this is hard. I feel like we need one of these, you know, things about saying the material that I'm fixed to disclose. A disclaimer. Is of a graphic nature, which may cause. I just put a warning, warning, a warning. Discover.

I got y'all's attention now, huh? They did. So I walk into the pantry. You'd have to come up with some pretty wild stuff to top the woke bunch and the I-I-D as they come up with. Put your seatbelt on. Yeah, they've got grown men laboring with pain. Oh, boy. Okay.

All right. You're just saying I'm not going to go with the earphones today, huh? No, I'm thinking to give me a cup of coffee while you're talking about your cold. All right. Go get you. I thought Phil, put them all in a time. You can do that when you're 70s and you just, whatever. Do what you want to do.

I like the lead. It was like, you know, I don't know, you can't top that. Then he's just like, I'm out of here. So I walk into the pantry and I see some fluttering. And I've noticed this fluttering in the last couple weeks. Fluttering. Fluttering. Fluttering.

It's always a bummer down here in the river. Insects, some type of. Inset. Uh-oh. So I thought, you know, I got my hat. I went to, well, they just kept coming. Just, they just kept coming and kept coming. So I started moving things around in the pantry, and I look, and it looked like.

Use it. It's one object, one food source, one spall, this. I look like, I look, these are big. These are big creatures. And, but I look on the, on the pantry, and there looks like maggots. Ooh. Ooh. Yeah.

And I'm like. maggots but these are not flies they're what i concluded they were moths but the moth you're seeing the larvae the moth so the the graphic nature of this is i'd start doing this research of course i killed just hand to moth combat hundreds it became a war i stopped my life and said okay you have started a fire they're drawn to flame She is saying, welcome to Louisiana. So here's what I found interesting. Here's the disturbing part.

Here's the part we need a caption for. These things came from wherever I bought them. They said the larva, because I start doing the research, they, like, so you buy, you know, any kind of dry food. Well, these larvae, they're contaminated at wherever they came from. So basically, they're hatching off. In a bag of beans. From where you got, yeah, from where you got them.

That's why I always washed generously any kind of food stuff, especially things that come out of the ground. Yeah. Because they were hanging out around the rice, beans, meal, flour. And the more I moved, the more they came. I mean, you know, maggots are disgusting. Yeah. I thought. So then I'm looking at all the food items that they inhabit on that.

I mean, cereal. So it's like as I'm looking at the list, I'm just trash, trash. It's a clean-up. Yeah, it was a cleanup. Oh, yeah. Because, I mean, there were hundreds, not seven or eight. And, of course, this morning I went back in there. This is a couple of days of killing and cleaning and throwing away.

And we're still more flying around. I was like, you know, here we go again. That's why I was three minutes later. I was like, so the floor is just, it's just death. But it made me think of those verses, you know, those verses where moth and rust destroy. Oh, yeah. That's changed. Well, I'll look it up, but because I'm a treasure hunter by trade these days.

I was thinking that was in James, but it may be somewhere. Well, let me look here. Now, now we, Zach, you're a scholar. Yeah. Where moths destroy. Here we go, I got it. Matthew 619, do not store up for yourselves treasures on earth where moth and rust destroy. You had too much grub and not enough protection.

So what was the final word on it? It's still ongoing. Well, it's ongoing. I think I took, I think I have regained. control. Well, they've got these guys, you know, the pull up, and they got their sprayer, and they walk in there, and you tell them, you tell them what the situation was. I've never, I've had bad experiences with the pest control. When they come in, I'll watch what they do, because I'm into, I'm into that. That was right. As well, James 5-2,

your wealth has rotted and moths have eaten your clothes. Well, I think it's, look, by the way, that's a different kind of moth. The one that eats the clothes is different from the one, that eats the cereal. Yeah. Really? Yep. So did you finally trace it back to the spot where they were? There was a can of grits.

I mean, a little, you know how them grits come in those little containers? We bought it by the bag. Well, I messed up and bought it by the container. And I can't remember the last time I had some grits. And that seemed to be the mecca. That was ground zero. That was, I think the grits. Yeah, which I love grits, but I'm going to have to take a month off.

That's the idea of it, you know. Well, I tell you what, that's pretty good little cold open on what happens down here. I'll give you another one. This just goes under the heading. I like it when we do it, Tommy Top. This goes under the heading of DED. Don't ever do. I love these.

And I think you invented that. You did. That acronym. Acronym. I was just watching. But look, watching human nature. See this knife right here? Perfectly harmless, closed.

It's sharp. I keep it sharp. Yeah. If you do this, because of some... Those of you listening, he's opening up his movement. It's still here. If you'll look carefully at the end,

you'll see blood stain. I do see blood on it. You know why? That's my blood. Oh, boy. And look, All I did was, I took the snap out. I'm seated in my old chair and constantly whincing at what I'm hearing is going on in the culture of America.

And I turned it off for a year and a half, but I went back and I said, let me just see if it's collapsed further. And it's resoundingly collapsed further. But I'm sitting there. I open this knife up. I clean my fingernails. and unwittingly, I'm in a chair that you lean back on. Like a lazy, lazy. That's right.

I set the knife down right beside my leg open. That's the first don't ever do. Yeah, I shouldn't do that. So it's like that. Well, I took this right leg, and at one time, you know, I'm pretty limbered. So I'd put my leg up on the, when I came back with my leg, I'm just going to rest it on the chairs. It was a solid frontal right under, I'll show you.

Oh, no. Tell them to talk of his mic. This episode you need to be watching. If you will look carefully, look right there. See all that purple, that purple look at it. Oh, yeah, and I see the Band-Aid. The Band-Aid. That knife.

You stabbed yourself. Came just like this. Yeah. I mean, a good quarter of an inch deep. the blood spurted. I was talking to old Owens and that other guy we converted old, there's a couple of the brothers we was talking to. What was that knife?

What was that knife? Because you're making me nervous. Blood went to spurting. So I said, y'all, I said, I've been on the earth 76 years and you've just caught a first and a DED. Never have a open pocket knife right beside you in a lounge chair. Don't do that. I said, because that thing, I, I ran.

my leg against that and you're looking at the good days that's been a week ago oh man quarter inch deep right in the right below right above the wheel you see it no i see it phil i got we got it yeah if you're not watching his foot is up all the all the listeners you say oh did you go to the doctor and get three or four stitches which is what it needed no i don't do that no doctor you say, well, what did you do? Day one, when you stop the bleeding best you can. You don't want it all on your sheets when you go to bed. So I had to fix it so no blood was coming out on the end of my bed when my feet were.

So I said, well, here we go. So the next day, the first thing I did, I ran a big boiler like this with hot water with salt in it. and I just eased my, it's hot, so hot you couldn't put your foot in it. But you did. I waited until I finally got my foot down in a big bucket of salt water, and I just sat there. And this is better than getting the stitches, right? Better than getting stitches. But the blood started to flow again when I did that.

So I finally got the blood squeezed off. Took two days for it to quit bleeding. I soaked it in the salt water for three days in a row. and a slow healing started to take place. I'd making sure I'd clean it. I'd clean it every day or two. I'd clean it, take that band-aid off, start all over again, soak it again,

wipe it with alcohol swads, swaps. So I finally got it back down to normal, but that's a man sticking, stabbing himself on the leg. Don't do that. I'm feeling a lot better about those moths. I know why I'm just out hearing about that. You're fighting bugs, and I'm fighting my own knives.

Yeah. I cannot believe you did that, Phil. I can't even. I said that's the first. I think we get a certain age where just things like that happen. I mean, the other day I was around, I was like, who took my shirt? I mean, this is before everybody left. I'm like, I just, I had a shirt in my hand, and I could, I was going, I was, where's the shirt?

But what happened was when I walked by the garbage, whatever I meant to throw away. I fell away my shirt in the garbage and kept walking. Then I was like, somebody took my shirt, why would they pick it up? Which is the Robertson way. You immediately blame everyone around you for whatever you're dealing with. I mean, think about it.

You're just sitting on the couch, you know, talking to a couple of brothers, and we're just talking there, and we had the TV turned down low. Everyone's while we turned up. Look at this, bunch now what you're doing. You're just, ah, I'm here. And I just said, hey, ow.

And I said, well, well, you know, boys, you've caught a deep. ED here. I said, I just stabbed myself with this knife. And their eyes got big because the blood was just spurted. The bottom of your foot. I know I'm just, right right up above your. I know why you're just now telling this. That's almost embarrassing. Almost embarrassing. I said 76. I said, you never know. The fact you had an audience, yeah, it made it all the more entertaining, I guess. I don't know why that's so funny. Well, because you won. I thought Phil's going try to top my story.

He did. And he did and it wasn't close. It was... I had little puppies and you say, where would little puppies, what's the first thing they'd go for and try to tear up?

A fresh bandage. If you put a fresh bandage on, they want to tear that off of there so they're all coming after my where the entry point of the knife game. I'm slapping them away and they're trying to tear that bandage of it.

I love it how Dad started this. Like, most people go get some stitches. Nope. Because this method of having the dogs attack me and the boiling. Three to four little stitches would have done wonders. But, you know, what are you going to do, stop and drive to town and say, you know. You've been to a town. You've been to a town.

Yeah, you don't want to do that. All right, let's take a break. Home remedies. Salt water, hot salt water would cure a lot of ailments. My favorite part of the story was I got it so hot. where you couldn't put your foot in it. But I did, so I put my foot in it. Well, I did it.

And it started to bleed again. It started to bleed again. And, you know, it bled pretty good when I put it in. I do. I'll say that. And I looked it up. Yeah, actually, it is a salt water. It says here, it dates back to the ancient Greeks.

But, yeah, they've done controlled studies that it does increase the healing process by. Well, well, you know, there you go. Well, I never read that over the end. internet. So yeah, I just... All the way back to the Greeks. That's why the Lord made the Earth three-fourths ocean. That's right. So now we know...

Just go jump in it. So what else is it say there, Zach? It said it's not safe to drink it, so you can't drink it. Yeah, drink salt water if you want to bark. Yeah. Hey, my dog... But it does work. It was a significant increase in the healing process.

Well, you know. So finally, Dad, you have the answer to the question you've asked. a thousand times on the podcast. What department in salt water came up with salt water that helps heal your body? Salt water. And now, on top of that,

they took the telescope so they can look further into the universe. Oh, that's some amazing stuff. They came up with the very opposite thing. I was thinking about it. I said, boy, to look at that, they had to be a creator to make that. That's what I thought. The order about it. But the guys that came on, oh, no.

That was, you're looking at 13.5 billion years ago. Or random chaos? Oh, yeah. No, those pictures are amazing. I mean, you're watching galaxies form. It's incredible. But I'm like, you.

It looks like stars, but you're like, wait, that's not stars. That's actually, that's galaxies and billions of stars in each one of those galaxies. The, the immensity of it all is what got me just from looking at it. You know, and the more you can look, the bigger it gets. I mean, it's incredible. see that I concluded which is easier to believe

that it just went boom and we're seeing the far reaches of it or someone was behind that through him all things were made that had been made

without him nothing was made that has been made true and but thinking about this is John 1 3 Thing about this. And we have evolved, and I'm saying that in quotes if you're listening, we have evolved to the point where now we have come up with things we can go look at and see it out there. I mean, I think there had to be a connection between what we're seeing out there and what we're seeing in us. I will say, by the way, based on Hebrews 1, I alluded to it when we first started.

But in these last days, he's spoken to us. We're fixing it get into a little section where it says Jesus, you know, he appeared at the end of the ages. You know what I'm saying? Yep. There was no high priest, only human beings flawed. Won't work. Not big enough. It's got to be bigger than that.

Right. So the bigness of and the worth of Jesus starting to nine, the first covenant, now all his regulations, earthly sanctuary. Well, he starts playing on. off that and none of it was big enough until jesus showed up the creator right where do we leave off that anyway we're uh starting chapter eight today by the way in hebrews one we all already covered that uh that he's going to be the doing the destroying he's going to roll them up like a robe god is the very thing we were looking at with those pictures those guys took with the telescope yep he said he's going to roll that up just roll it up yeah start over again new heavens new earth he did it was

he can do it again. He rolled it out. If you've got the power to roll it out, then you've got the power to roll it up. That's it. You know what I mean? He could roll it out again. The first one based on a law of works,

no humans were perfect enough. They weren't clean enough to do it. Right. They were sin. The blood of animals, no, not big enough, won't do it. The high priest, nope, he can't go through the, we're talking about the one who came down and went through the heavens that we looked at with that telescope he's out there well guess what humans are still not good enough no no that isn't jose your word al we've evolved we got the same problem yeah or devolved which is interesting because the humanist always thought we would evolve to some place where we wouldn't have earthly problems but that hasn't happened as long as there's been humans you still got this they're still doing the same

things they've always done. Yep. Well, that's the problem with humans. And when there's no absolute, when you're just like, yeah, we'll just figure out, you know, the moral compass that, you're just whatever you,

whatever you think. Well, then all of a sudden, if you don't have some kind of absolute to go back to, then nobody can distinguish good from evil then, you know, because it's like, yeah, it's moving, go. It's all whatever you, yeah,

whatever you think. But then when you look at some other culture, you're like well wait a minute that that's not that's not right that was like when we did yesterday i was preaching on st. Corinthiansthius 10 and it's that the first part of that is when paul said you know some people claim that we wage war as the world does then he lays out how they demolish strongholds with the knowledge of god and take every thought captive and presented and i love the idea because without a standard of god to jesus point you have of an ever-evolving standard of whatever the current group thinks we should do.

And that's so, and it's never, you can't nail it down. It's moving goalposts to the whole time that you see what you see now. He had an earthly human construct put together, human construct. Right. And he had that, and he's going to go to great lengths to say it is impossible for what we are now under the grace of God and Jesus, Is that the one mediator before God and men? If he hadn't been there, it just wouldn't have worked, Al. So I wrote down after I read 9 and 10 before we came in here today,

I just wrote down, impossible to be a human construct. It's a picture of it. It's a way it works, but wrong personnel, humans that now can't do it. Now, in my sermon... That's what the Jews couldn't see. In my sermon, I said, if you want to see, if you want wondering what is Paul talking about in St. Grinthians, what it looks like to see how the world wages war against each other. I gave them three

places to go look. A congressional hearing, a United States congressional hearing, one hour of cable news and just pick any network or a Twitter threat. If you want to see how the world wages by worldly standards go there. Because this just constant demeaning, belittling. You know, if you can't win a debate, you just attack the person. I mean, that's the way the world does it, you know, and what we're looking at is. Well, and it's a good point because at some point, Zach will know, but he asked me, would I speak to some Republican, the Republican Party, House or the Senate or both,

I don't know which, and their wives, I was invited to speak there. and Zach ran it by me and asked me, but I do it. I said, yeah, I'll do it. So I'm the add that to your three. Well, I have a feeling. Sometimes agents from God, ambassadors from God, will show up among politicians. I have a feeling you're going to bring a godly standard into that conversation. You're getting the right vibes.

Well, that's exciting. I hadn't heard about this. That's going to be great. and they can't fire me. Right. And I don't care what the woke crowd says. I have my word about them. You know, I point them to Jesus too.

Hey. Not like I hate them because they're woke. That's right. I mean, I go back, I made that point in John 1 before, but I think there's two, you know, when you look at that John 1, which, you know, simulates what happened in Hebrews 1 that you referred to in these last days he spoke to us by his son,

Jesus is the word. But it says, you mean, he came to that which is on, but they didn't understand it or overcome it. I talked about that before, that kind of the two different ways you miss, miss this whole thing is you're either hostile toward God, sear your conscience is seared after just sin after sin and you're angry. Or you just don't understand it,

which is the religious segment. of this that's either ritualistic or... They're just saying make another law. Or fill with hate. Make another law. That's all they do is past laws. So when he got down to John 112, when he's talking about he gave us this gift of being born again. Because he's actually selling the idea here that it's a father, son, daughter, relationship.

which you think about it. If you're viewing religion, like from a legalistic standpoint, if you're missing Jesus and missing the relational aspect, it's almost like you're an employee. You're working, and based on your performance, you're in either good standing or you feel good about yourself. The problem of that is if you're looking at it like that, if you don't do your job, what do you do in the employee environment?

get fired. And I think that's why he's trying to, through Jesus, show this, it is a gift of God. You are born again. You are sons and daughters because the difference in that attitude than the workplace or the legalistic type religion is that what happens when you don't perform or your kids don't? Well, you don't fire them. That gets your attention even more. You're wanting to help them.

You're wanting to, you know, in love. And I think that's what he's trying to get across here to the Jews here. Yeah. When I talk to the politicians. Hang on, Dan. Let's take it back. They say, well, we need to fix this by passing a law, so we'll get together. And if there's a majority of it pass a law, then we'll get this done on what we're trying to say because this will be good for the country. You look at all that and you say, well, we have another system. And they would say, what?

So we have another system. And it doesn't evolve law at all. It's love towards your neighbor, joy, because your sins are removed and you can be raised. And there's peace between ourselves and God. We patiently wait. Love, joy, peace, kindness, goodness, faith. Because it's a person, though. What I'm saying is you can't, you can have the right laws.

It says, against such things, there is no law. I mean, you can't, you're like, I know, but you can't just have the, the right things to do without the person who's given them. That's it. I mean. Correct. So I'm saying the moralist, the guy out there just, you can take those principles. But if you don't have it going back to somebody who actually gave it, you get into what. what we're discussing in Hebrew.

Right. Which was their problem. Yeah. Because the covenant was a covenant that was flawed, not from God's side of the covenant, but from man's side of the covenant. That's correct. So to get back to our text, because that's what we're going to do in chapter 8, verse 1, the way the NIV phrases this, because we've been, remember we talked about,

really we started back in where four with this idea came up about the Sabbath and Melchese. By the way, I watch it there when you bring it up and it'll come up quick, even the opening line, is that I think we need to our listeners to stress it all comes down into the position that you are, what position you're in. If there's no Jesus there, you have to earn your salvation, which so far no one has ever kept the law but him. Right. So he fixed it so your position is in him where there's no sin. Right. Correct. And so he's been talking, he brought in this idea about the priesthood and the high priest,

which we've talked about in previous podcast. And then he clarifies now, and he's going to shift gears a little bit. He says the point of what we're saying is this. So anytime you hear a clarifying statement like that, you know, okay, better pay attention. We do have such a high priest. because remember we were talking about Mokazadec and how it wouldn't work and the high priest had his own sins.

Among humans, a lot of them came and they went, but at the end of the day. Zero for zero. We do have such a high priest who sat down at the right hand of the throne of the majesty in heaven. So now we know

the new covenant is headquartered in heaven. And... By the way, I'll why you there, 40 days roughly from the... resurrection of Jesus is when that took place. He left here going to the right hand of the throne of the majesty in heaven. He left here bodily about 40, 50 days later. After convincing them all, he was alive. He had to show him, I'm the way. I'm the truth. I'm the alive. I'm the one that

to get you out of here. So just to clarify what you're reading that, keep it. So you're right, that if you read the end of the Gospels after his resurrection and then you go to Acts 1, That period of time was 40 days, and then off he went. And it says, not only is he there as mediator of a new covenant, verse two, and who serves in the sanctuary, the true tabernacle set up by the Lord, not by man. That's a big shift. It's a huge shift into everything they ever knew. I can see how it would be difficult for someone, because I'm just looking at 250,

years of Christianity in America and all of the friction and all of the factions and all of the dissensions and all the disorders. Can you imagine among the Jews after, you know, 1,500 years, almost 2,000 years living under the law of Moses and someone comes along and says, it's fixing to be all swept away and you'll have direct line between you and God. I mean, it would be a tough one to swath. It would be, because it's all they had ever known. But I want to go back to John 1. I mean, I didn't know we were going this direction,

because I keep bringing that up. I mean, do you know what that word is in verse 14 of John 1? The word became flesh, the Greek word, what it means, and made his tabernacle among us. So he came here so we could go there. You know? He's literally open heaven for us. I mean, I think when I was young in the faith,

when I read stuff like this, what we're reading in Hebrews, it seemed like kind of scary and like, wait a minute now. These people are sacrificing bulls and goats, and you have this order of things, and you have the priest going in once a year, and you have all these symbolic. It just seemed like some weird, you know, movie, you see,

where there's, but, so I'm like, why did God set this up like this? Well, you got nine, eight, Jace. The Holy Spirit was showing by this on what you just said. He entered the interim once a year, never without blood. He offered it for himself for the sins of the people, committed in ignorance. The Holy Spirit was showing by this that the way into the most holy place, now check this out, had not yet been disclosed.

there's no Jesus there's no mediator there's no direct contact as long as the first tabernacker was still standing that's why when he looked over there and said you see that thing it's coming down

there's a new order fixing to take place here but they were looking around at each other like what did he just get through saying you see my point yeah well that's what I was going to say I was like but the reason this happened is so that it could be available for everybody and it didn't compromise who God is.

I heard somebody say this. I wrote this down. I wanted to give it to you. The God who just forgives is not holy. You know, if he just says, oh, I forgive you, whatever. You know, if there's no system in place that makes sense, well, then he's not holy. The God who won't forgive is not loving. So if we, just had God up there said you know what I'm just not going to forgive you which a lot of people see him that way yeah the God who can't forgive is not wise because he wouldn't have been able to figure it out so that's why when you see the cross and when you see Jesus referred to in john 7 i mean hebrew 725 when he said therefore he is able to save completely or to the uttermost those who come to

God through him because he always lives to intercede for him. I mean, this was God's plan. His character was not compromised in any way. And the Lord, Jesus, who came to this earth, opened the door to heaven for us. But we as humans, which is what's crazy, the Jewish system, I get it. But even today, we say, oh, no, we want this system over here

where this we want the copy we want the copy of it instead of the original you're saying these are better promises it's like that game life we used to play you know where you made money but then at some point

you'd get a promissory note or you know and it's like but in real life that's a game we're playing ha ha but in real life I don't want somebody give me a bunch of promissory notes at some point I'm like give me some cash

let's take another break Yeah, going back to Jason's point, you brought that up. You kind of skipped over a little bit, though, but I think it's key in John 1. I looked it up when you said it on the strong concordance of the Greek word for dwelt. Then the word became flesh and dwelt among us, and we behold the glory of him, a glory as of and only begotten from the Father full of grace and truth. So the word there, here's the definition of. of it. The Greek word is to dwell as in a tent, encamp, have my tabernacle to tent or to encamp,

to occupy, or to reside. So when you think about that word, and particularly in the context of Hebrews chapter 8, my translation says that Jesus, a true minister in the sanctuary and in the true tabernacle, which the Lord pitched, not man. And you think about that tabernacle of the Old Testament. And we've talked about this a lot. We've talked about this a whole lot when we went through the book of Matthew, that there's this consistent storyline in the New Testament of God's chosen people, and the place that God would dwell, first in the tabernacle and then eventually in the temple.

And every place that God would dwell, what did God's people do to that place? They bastardized it. They turned it into a shrine for prostitution, for money exchange, and they kept turning the house of God, the place where God dwelt among men and where God was at. His presence was known. They kept bastardizing it. And the point that I think Hebrews is getting at is just that point. It's like this is the system that was built in the Old Testament was never going to work because man, was they were never going to be able to be perfect.

It became a money-making enterprise when Jesus rolled in and turned the tables over and all that. It had gotten down to that, wherever just the flow of money, Zach, just a money-making enterprise. Exactly. And I think to Jason's point, he said earlier,

I'll probably rephrase a little bit to say, it's not necessarily that God made a way for us to go to heaven. I think what the point he's making here is, is that heaven came to us. I mean, that's really what he's saying is that heaven, I think there's a song that, and this is a very controversial line, I'm not sure why,

but it was something like, he didn't want heaven without us, so Jesus, you brought heaven down. And I get part of the reason why that's controversial, but I kind of agree with it, that he did bring heaven down to us through Jesus. And God is dwelling among us.

The book of Matthew, it begins and ends with the same example. thing that God came in the flesh and dwelt among us and he's with us. His presence is with us. I think what's being set up here is an idea that the presence of the Lord that we can actually now really participate in being in the presence of the Lord and like in a way that was never possible before because that whole system was flawed or wasn't adequate. And I like the way that he, the Hebrew writer makes it about the place where Jesus is. because if you go back, you know, it's ironic,

if you go back and read the book of Exodus, and you see how it all went down, and we refer to it quite a bit, there's the mountain, there's the fire and the thunder and the lightning. Remember everybody was super, you know, terrified? And the law comes down. But what's interesting is, in Exodus 24, Moses and Joshua go back up.

And then from 25 all the way to 32, they're up on the mountain and it says the people looked up in what to Moses looked like a cloud that he went into, the presence of God, to the people look like a big fireball on top of this mountain. And Moses walks into it. And in that 40 days he was up there, guess what God gave him, the tabernacle, the Ark of the Covenant, all the rules they would have. He set up the situation by which people would, for the next day.

next several thousand years would function with him. So I found an interesting. What that would be before Jesus? Before Jesus. And so that that system would be in place. And so now we come along way after that and after Jesus, and the Hebrew writer says, look, all that that happened was just to point you to him.

The tabernacle was only the copy. It was only the shadow. None of that was real. What's real is who Jesus is. So, I mean, the point is making in Hebrew is, eight is that one of the problems with the early tabernacle was not necessarily that God was there. It wasn't that.

But who was setting up? Who was pitching the tent? And it was men. Right. Men were pitching the tent. And that's why it was men who corrupted the tent. It was men who corrupted the tabernacle. So, yeah, God would dwell there temporarily, but they would always kick him out because the tent,

the Ark of the Covenant, all that. That was being facilitated by men. That's who pitched that tent. And what he's saying here is it was never going to work. It was faulty. That's why he says that in verse 7, that the first covenant was faulty. If it wasn't faulty, then why would there have to be a second covenant? It was faulty because it was contingent upon man constructing it and pitching the tent.

And what he's saying here is the new tabernacle, or not the new one, the real tabernacle is the one that's pitched by God himself. And that's why that one is incorruptible. And so when you move into this idea of. God's presence, what is the new temple now? What's the temple according to Apostle Paul in 1st, 5th, and 6? We're the temple. Correct. So now, if you are a believer in Jesus, you are the new temple. And the reason why you're not corruptible is because that temple you are not built by yourself. You're built by the finished work of Jesus. It's incorruptible. God's presence can be in you. So we move past,

I just got saved from something to now I'm being saved to something. And what I'm I'm being saved too is to be in a relationship with the creator of the cosmos. That's a great point. Let's take a break. Yeah, I mean, but chapter three, verse six, I mean, we've already gone over this. He said that Christ is faithful as a son over God's house because that's why I brought up the John one about we've been given the gift to be born of God, born again, born of God, as children. He chose the family. The family. The family. relationship aspect of this. And then it says, and we are his house if we hold on to our courage.

So, I mean, I think people have trouble wrapping their head around this, that the God of the universe chose to be family and a relationship-oriented aspect to bond with people. Right. And so these, the Hebrews, I mean, the whole book of Hebrew, Bruce was written to a group of people that had this copy and shadow of a need from God's perspective of having everyone, having this offered to everyone this relationship. And it was his plan, but they want to stick to the copies in the shadow. Well, and then that's the Hebrew writer's point. And Zach just made it. Look at verse three. Every high priest is appointed to offer both

gifts and sacrifices. And so it was necessary for this one also to. have something to offer. He's talking about Jesus. If he were on earth, he would not be a priest, for there are already men who offer the gifts prescribed by the law. In other words, Jesus couldn't be the priest if you got over the priests. Something had to give, right? They serve at a sanctuary that is a copy and shadow of what is in heaven. That's the reality. This is why Moses was warned when he was about to build the tabernacle. See to it that you make everything according to the pattern shown you on the mountain. And that was what I just described to you, Exodus 24 through 32. Yeah, but I think it's hard to wrap your head around all this until you read chapter 9 and 10 also.

I mean, this is... Well, because we're leading into it. That's right. I mean, just so I can make this example on what I think we're saying. I mean, I was going to say this when we get to 9, but I just... I think if you wrap your head around this, you wrap, you get it. So I noticed this just to studying the Greek words and all. In Hebrews, let me just read Hebrews 923. It says, it was necessary then for the copies of the heavenly things to be purified with these sacrifices, but the heavenly things themselves with better sacrifices than these, which is kind of a controversial passage because people are like, what in the world

happened in heaven bad? Why does it need to be able? Some people say, well, that's when the evil one fell or celestial beings or whatever. But I think it's more what Zach said earlier about heaven coming down and us, Jesus being our door into heaven since we are flawed. But that's not my point. So I want to read this. For Christ did not enter a man-made sanctuary that was only a copy of the true one, which is what we're talking about. He entered heaven itself.

and to one point that Zach made earlier, this next phrase, now to appear for us in God's presence, nor did he enter heaven to offer himself again and again the way the high priest enters the most holy place every year with blood that is not his own. Then Christ would have had to suffer many times since the creation of the world. But now he has appeared, once for all,

at the end of the ages, to do away with sin, by the sacrifice. So let me keep reading. Just as man is destined to die once after that to face judgment. So Christ was sacrificed wants to take away the sins of many people and he will appear a second time,

not to bear sin, but to bring salvation. Now, I'm going to do a trick real quick. Appeared is mentioned three times in those verses. 24, 26, and 28. You see it? Yep. All three different words, different Greek words. So you say, what is your point?

You're talking about cool, this is cool. So in 24, when he says he appears now to appear for us, well, when is that going on in God's present? When is he appearing on our behalf in heaven in God's presence? So let's do a time frame. When is that going on? Seated at the right hand of the Father. That's right now.

No doubt about it. Yeah. Well, in 26, watch this. Then Christ would have had to suffer many times since the creation of the world. But now he has appeared once and for all at the end of the ages to do away with sin by the sacrifice himself. When was that appearing? That happened when he died. That was on the cross.

Yep. So what? No one was big enough and powerful enough. I know. But remove sin. But don't miss my point. In one paragraph, he gives three time instances. one is he said he's interceding now two look he he died on a cross he appeared for who he appeared for us he's appearing now

you look back on the cross guess who's there for you he he stepped up again well look at the last one in 28 so christ was sacrificed for once to take away the sins of many people uh oh here and he will appear a second time not to bear sin but to bring salvation well when is that going to happen The end of time. That's the future. Second coming. So that's why when you get to that little verse in Hebrews 13 8 and it says, Jesus Christ is the same yesterday, today, and forever,

that's not just some little statement he came up with. He just showed that in every instant, important, pivotal moment of your life, he appeared for you. He was on a cross for you. He's in God's presence, interceding for you, and he's coming back for you. And they used three different. Greek word that all had a different definition of appearing. I'll let you look that up if you want to because I don't have time to go into that.

But it was fascinating. Like the last one is more like he appeared. I mean, he will appear. It's like the word means, oh, you can, you'll see him with your eyes. The first one was like the mediator. He is like a lawyer. That was the definition. and the one that he went to the cross

was more the revealing of his character in a public way, like appearing, like, this is who I am appearing. I mean, in a public way. So I just thought, I mean, when I saw those different aspects of that, and you read all these,

the rituals and shadows and copies that he was representing, at the end of the day, you've got to simplify it and say, at every point, in history and in my mind, my life where I needed him, that was God's way of revealing himself and appearing on my behalf. I mean, I think it's pretty powerful. I read it last night and said, this is the most powerful thing I've ever read in all the

scriptures. Oh, it's, we're covering. Yeah, it is. That's why I wanted to, because you get bogged down, start talking about the light stand and what did the, well, and these are all things I think. you should talk about but if you miss the point which i think that chapter or that paragraph when he got there was like this is god revealing himself enabling the whole world past present and future every single person to be able to have a pathway to heaven and then the the byproduct of that is have a living

relationship with with god on a personal level by the way i think after hebrews chapter 9 and you just quoted it when he when he suffered on the cross now he has appeared once for all at the end of the ages well hebrew chapter 1 said in the past god spoke to us many time many way through the prophet but in these last days he's spoken us by his son so that's twice that it talks about the end of what would you say the end of it all? I mean, that's twice. So I'm just saying, I don't know. Well, the end of what we know.

There is no end to him. We're 2,000 years since Jesus showed up, but there's going to be an end to it because it says he appeared at the end of the ages. Yeah. Yeah, well, we're out of time. So we'll, let's explore that a little bit more in the overtime. And plus I have a major irony about how people keep doing the same thing over and over again. So we'll talk about that in overtime.

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