Unashamed with the Robertson Family - Ep 516 | Phil’s Front-Yard Alligator Problem & Why Your DNA Has Nothing To Do With God’s Promise

Episode Date: July 22, 2022

Phil talks about the five large alligators roaming around on his property, and Jase shares his tips for surviving an encounter with a great white shark! Al tells a story about being invited to a crocodile-petting park in Africa, which he politely declined. Phil discusses the problem with the Old Testament system for atonement. And Zach talks about the difference between a DNA link to salvation and being a descendant of God's promise. Watch the Unashamed overtime show, only on BlazeTV: https://BlazeTV.com/Unashamed - Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

I am unashamed. What about you? One of the things from the last podcast, if you were watching it, you may have thought I was just looking to the heavens as Jace was making all of his wise, salient points, but I was actually, Zach, looking to a purple-tail wasp that had come out of our ceiling, which is one of our summer hazards here at the lair, is they're falling out of a nest somewhere. And so we went on about a five-minute swatting of hats, lights, and everything else before we finally got him.

So he even brought our sound engineer over there, Josh, out of his little cubbyhole. By the way, while you're there, I talked to Red, the local Redneck. He works for me. And he gave me a report yesterday, just a heads up. he said from my front yard start there he said about a eight-footer alligator in lieu of watching the news there was about three or four people killed by alligators on golf courses i've been noticing that

so i've got my yard out there and he said there's one big one right out there he said there's a nutton at the mouth and cut off he's just a giant he's just a giant he's He said, but I've seen five today from there on up to our property. He said, I'm just saying I wouldn't be wading around out there, you know, pushy footing around, you know, without looking to the left and the right. Because he said, there are gators on the move. So he said he got five big ones, you know, from my house to where we duck on and all. And it's hot.

And I'm just saying. Good report, Phil. Well, keep that in mind. People are dying. from alligators attacking. Well, you know, it's interesting you said that. So, because I noticed the same thing, Dad. There were two stories this week down in Florida where somebody just accidentally fell into a

pond on a golf course. On that day, Red was telling me about there's five from here that he saw. Sunday before last, we had a young man. I think his name was Seth. He and his wife were at Weiss Ferry Road. And then they came over and met you. And so he was from Pennsylvania originally, but they had moved to Arkansas. So he came down to meet us last Sunday at church.

And he had a camo shirt on, so I knew he was probably a fan, you know, of us. And he started telling me a story. He said, yeah, yesterday. My wife and I went over to the, you know, one of the refuges in this area. And he said, you know, he was about a five-foot gator. And he was rushing me and running at me. And I was like, boy, you got to watch that. You ran the other way.

He said, oh, no, I took my belt off and wrangled him. I was like, you did what? And then he showed me a picture and I said, a friend from Pennsylvania and Arkansas, we don't do that in Louisiana. When gators run at us, we run the other way. I mean, those,

do they're some bad dues. Well, I don't know. An alligator on land is fast as a horse. Right. I mean, if he's chasing you, you're not going to make it. So you're saying,

staying in your ground. Well, look, I'll tell you. That's what he did. And he did it. You run in like a zigzag. because they can't turn. Just make sure you zig when you should have not zagged. Late in the evening, early in the morning,

we're cutting now. We're on a cut willas two or three times a week and brushed duck blinds. But the places we're cutting those willas are thick, thick around that little bass pond we made. And the gators are there. I mean, there's one out there. He's a big old thick thing.

He's about a 10-footer. he's a bull but I told Dan I said Dan we all we have is just this weed eater I'm just saying watch where you step and just don't charge off in these thick brush here next of the water weed eater versus gator not a good that's all that's going to do is tickling that's right make it man I mean I saw we have weapons every time we're there you know that would take care of gators but it's against a lot of shoes so what's changed because I live down here for 40 years and never saw an alligator. There's more now than they were back then.

They moved up from the coast. But look, so, and I'll tell you, another thing's going on is the shark infestation. They've had more shark bites this year. So I'm watching on the news the other day, which I don't watch the news very often. And they were showing this guy who was a lifeguard who had gotten bitten by a shark. He survived. And so they had a shark expert on the show. And so he was going down through, you know, why there are more sharks because he said there's more seals and it's a big seal hatch.

They've been a rebound of sharks. And he was telling this like a gleam in his eyes. So the announcement was like, so you're, I mean, this is a good thing. He's like, well, yeah. I mean, there's more shark. He was kind of putting the shark above the human. You think? So look, they get down to the end of the interview.

You can go find it somewhere because I'll watch. I was shocked. So the, what do you call it? The anchor said, so what should, what tip do you have? Because then they interviewed, you know, they found five rednecks on the beach down there where they were interviewing. Because they're like, well, I'm going out there anyway. I mean, I came down here and paid, you know, where. Which they showed the, you know, the extreme on where we're going.

So then they, because I know how these producers work. They're like, well, then I ask the shark expert, what do we do when we encounter the Great White? But I was stunned at what he said. He said, okay, so if you're out there, even if you're waist deep, that's because they're, you know, they're like, you're not the prey. But if they see you, they will eat you. They said, charge him. Yeah, he said, what do you do when you encounter? He said, well, you don't want to swim away, away from him.

And I was thinking, where's this going? He said, you swim right right. He said, you swim right toward him with everything you got. And so the anchor kind of laughed. He went, no, seriously, he's like, no, that's what you do. That's your best shot. Woo. If that's your best shot, I can't.

You have an encounter? Here comes a great quiet, and I'm going right at it. You know what I thought? He should have said, have you heard of a guy named Jesus? that would have been the because that's what he was saying we need to make plans for the next life yeah you know there was one guy that got swallowed and survived in the Bible what he was saying is you're not you can't swim fast enough to get away from it like that's true but this guy that the lifeguard I mean

now he had he had he had lot he showed pictures he pulled a feel you know Phil showing his self-stabbing stabbed but this guy you know one of his pecks were gone it was gone he was gone And he was like, I mean, it was a pretty good chunk out of one of its pecks. And I thought, ooh, that looks painful. Oh, yeah. But he just, it was a glancing blow. Yeah, that's someone that took his calf off. He just, you know, and it had healed over, but he just had no calf.

It was just like skin and bone. Alligators, when you see, you know, numerous alligators from within a few hundred yards of my house, I mean, it's something to be, like children playing, messing around dogs. You know you don't do that. Yeah, dogs. I just never have been scared of alligators. Well, I haven't either because they're not very aggressive, but still. They're not.

You know. But you're right out. There's more sightings now than they were 40 years ago. Although the temperatures overall has risen to, maybe that's part of it. I don't know. Well, you know, when you drive down south, you get down south of New Orleans and that area, if you're driving along even interstate, you'll see a dead gator ever so often. It's a lot.

I'd never seen it up here until. until a few months ago on I-20. There was one that somebody had run over him, and I thought, I saw that. I said, but they're definitely not, they used to not be here. Now they're here. I think that wouldn't kill them to run over them. But big heavy way to get a bus. Well, I mean, yeah, I saw it.

But we saw, you know, we had a guy in a duck blind. I mean, we had an alligator in duck blind. He said he was an alligator expert, which meant he had been involved in close quarters with alligators, but, I mean, he didn't go to school for it or anything. thing but we watched him remember phil i mean he got in there and he was you know it was some jocelyn around and i mean i couldn't because it's closed quarters but after the fight he wound up on top of the alligator's pretty big gator with his arms wrapped around him he put the tape on him and i thought well okay you you but he said well that only works in close quarters like yes you wouldn't have wanted

to try this out in a while most of the guys in South Louisiana during teal season, which, by the way, we'll be seeing the migration of teal start. By the way, Jays, why we're there, the migration... We're not anywhere. The migration of teal will...

Where are we? We're on the air, though. Yeah, we're on the air. Well, to our audience, you know, we're looking out for alligators. We'll see blue-winged teal by about August 15th, so we're a month out on the blue-winged teal, and their tree,

all away across the gulf of Mexico, that peninsula on the other side of Mexico. That's where they win are most of them. But they're coming. Well, we're what, three weeks away for them to start showing up? What I was going to say is that guy said, the way to interact with alligators is to fear the tail more than the teeth. That's the rule.

Because the tail breaks you down, then the teeth, you know. Finish you off. Yeah, yeah. The tail, though, will take you down. That's the damage. That's also the best eating on. one of them. It's so out of here. I mean, I've eaten them there.

A little bit chewy from me. I mean, if I was starving. Yeah. But it's like anything else, because people get offended when you say that, you can take anything if you have enough seasoning and you cook it long enough. I mean. A Cajon can make anything. He took 10 largemouth bass that weighed four pounds apiece, and he stuck them in the oven after he had a bucket full of seasoning and different things. And he cooked them about an hour, and they came out.

Well, it tasted great. If you're around fresh water from Florida all the way across to Louisiana and South Texas, I mean, alligators are something that you, when you have children and whatnot, messing around out there, you just have to be careful. Well, that is, your eyes open. Yeah. Well, kid, you know. Well, and the more you have people in the same vicinity as a predator, you're going to see that happen.

I was in Africa years ago, and, of course, over there is crocodiles, which are supposed to. more fierce. They're more aggressive. Much more aggressive. It's kind of like a cotton mouth compared to all other snake. You got four main poisonous snakes, but the cotton mouth, he's poisonous and aggressive.

So the Africans that I was there visiting they took me to what they called the crocodile park. I said crocodile park. Okay. So we go out there and it's, you know, I think you think a park in America. This was just a place where there was a bunch of

crocodile. But they had some of them they were just laying on the pathway, and they would come up and you pay, you give the guy a dollar or whatever, whatever their money was it, and you could pet the crocodile. What? Yeah. No. Yes. And so I was like, hmm, so who, who, where are these, are these tame?

They're all what they're used to people. What country was this? I was in the Gambia. Oh, yeah. And so look, so he said, now don't go over there. He pointed out at a pond over there. And I saw a bunch of crowd. He said, don't go over there and try to pet them.

But you can pet these. And I thought, well, I'm tell you what, fella. I was, this is my first time for Africa. I'm not going to pet any of them. Yeah. So, and they were getting down there and pet them to show me it was safe. I had a buddy at an alligator farm, and I asked him. I said, can you tame an alligator?

He said, you can't until they, until you can't. And I said, until they decide not to be tame. That's what he said. He's like, yeah, we had a few that we called pets. And then he looked around, it took, you know, a couple toes off. He said, well, he's not tame anymore. I said, well, that means never. up in. So the town I grew up in was in Gainesville, Florida. And in the middle of the

University of Florida's campus, there's a lake called Lake Alice. And when you're walking down the campus and there may be a 12-foot alligator just sitting on the sidewalk, sun and right out in the sun. On campus. I grew up, yeah, but I look this up. The odds of actually getting attacked by a gator is one and three point two million. So it's not very common. to get attacked by an alligator if you consider i mean we'd ski in the swanee river and seven billion seven billion people here so what are the odds of getting stung by a purple tail wash while you're doing a podcast can you plug that in your computer i'd say 50 50 because we're right here so it seems to be a consistent problem just to tie that off where we get back to ebrews if you see me looking around to the

heavens i'm not having a moment i'm just trying to figure out how we're going to to kill this loss where one of us gets dough pop. So just so you know. All right, so let's take a break. So we're in Hebrews chapter 8 is where we left off. And a little bit, is that what was it? We were talking a little bit in the overtime. Do you remember what we said? We said, we need to bring that out in the next podcast. Do you remember what that was? We, uh, that we mentioned. Yeah, Phil had made the point. He'd asked the question. You know, this was the time period of which this was written was right before the collapse of the temple. Right. In 8070. And he was talking about, he asked the question, do you think that this is almost, in a way, a prophetic warning or kind of a summation of the end of the old law and the era?

I agree with that. I agree with that. And we went to an exis 25 when the institution of the tabernacle happened. And God spoke to Moses. And basically what he told him was, he said, I want you to build a sanctuary for me so that I. I might have a place to dwell with my people. And I'm quoting that offhand, so I may I get a little off there. So you get into Hebrews 8, and you start to see this whole conversation unfold, going back

to what Jay said in the last podcast about John 1-1, which I thought was an incredible point. I never realized that that word dwelt is similar to the same word as Tabernacle. So the idea is that this old system that was implemented, then given to Moses was faulty. It had faults in it. And what the argument that's being made here is this thing's not going to work. But the good news is that God has instituted a new covenant and a new system and a new tabernacle that is the actually, everything that y'all saw in the past, those were all copies. Those were all shadows.

All was the three appearances, Chase. Yeah, that was in Hebrew's nine where the three appearances were on why this one is. better was he appears before us, which I think it's interesting that the first one he named is the present one, which is he is now appearing on our behalf. And then he appeared on a cross to take away our sin problem. So he appears now as a lawyer. He appeared as a sacrifice on the cross. And he will appear. We'll lay our. We'll lay our. eyes on him when he comes to get us. Yeah.

Resurrection. The whole thing is brought together right there. 924. That's why I jumped ahead. I mean, we can go back, you know, to what, because I believe on why it's better and why it's new. I mean, I jotted down a few things on chapter 8 and 9. I mean, because he quotes Jeremiah 31, 31 to 34. Yeah, in chapter 8.

I thought we were here. Not quite there. Let me read there. And then I'll do it. Let me read verse six because we read through verse five, but when we were talking about the tabernacle, which, by the way, from God's perspective, there was no difference in the tabernacle and the temple. One was just in the desert where they started. And then later when they had their own country, they built a temple that he told them how to build it.

To show you how mankind messes things up, and we mentioned this before, you didn't get three kings in before some king decides to build the temple in another place. up in Samaria. So again, the... A bigger one and better one. A bigger one and better one. And God said, you know, this is one place that you're supposed to build. So anyway, we get to verse six when the Hebrew writer says, But the ministry Jesus has received is as superior to theirs as the covenant of which

he is mediator is superior to the old one. And then this was a really great phrase. Yeah. And it is founded on better promises, which I thought was really interesting. So just that's the works to grace. Right. The promise is, I mean, you, that's the list I was going to talk about. From rules.

Why is it better? It's internal rather than external. Correct. It's reality versus copies. It's written. I mean, spiritual versus written. It's eternal versus non-eternal. I mean, that's another.

It's life versus death. Correct. I mean, the first, first one. What's your best you can hope for? It all ends in death. Right. It's success versus failure. Yep.

Because the first one, you're going to fail. And this one is his success. Right. Another one, while you're there, Jayce, by the time you get to chapter 10, the law is only a shadow of the good things that are coming, not the realities himself. The temple was still standing. So that's part of this argument he's making. you know, pre-destruction of the temple.

Right. I mean, that's going to close the deal there. Well, and again, and we've made this point over and over, it's hard for people who assume their whole existence was made into a covenant to only to find out it was a flawed covenant. Because he says it, not the reality. For this reason, it can never by the same sacrifices, the animals, repeated endlessly year after year.

It cannot make perfect those who draw near to worship. If it could have, would they have not stopped being offered? The worshipers would have been cleansed for once for all, would no longer have felt guilty for their sin. But those sacrifices are just a reminder, annual reminder, of sins because it is impossible for the blood of bulls and ghosts to take away sins. It had to be Jesus. Well, and what I was going to say, too, the Holy Spirit worked throughout the process in, you know, in the Old Testament.

The Holy Spirit's always been here. I mean, it was hovering all the water. But when it got to the new one, the Holy Spirit is the process. I mean, you can have the indwelling of the Holy Spirit. Yeah, that's the difference. I mean, I think that the, as the list goes on. It said it's showed by this, the Holy Spirit, showing by this, that the way until the most heart is not yet been. disclosed as long as the first tabernacle was still standing.

I mean, it just, this was a gigantic change here, our shift. And that's why the, go ahead. Yeah, the role of the Holy Spirit in this, to Jason's point, is we cannot overestimate the crucial importance of the Holy Spirit in what's happening here, because here's what, Here's what's happening here. Jesus is establishing himself as the one who is building the new temple, pitching the new tent for the tabernacle. He is constructing it. And we know when he refers to himself, you remember he said, you can destroy this temple and I'll rebuild it in three days, talking about himself.

Right. But then when we are grafted in by the finished work of Christ, then we become the new tabernacle. We become the new temple. Well, how are we the new temple? how are we the new tabernacle? Because the point of the tabernacle was, God said, I want to build a sanctuary so that I can dwell with my people. So by becoming, by us becoming the new temple or the new tabernacle, what that means is that God is going to dwell in us. And when we say that God dwells in us, we're talking about he does that through the Holy Spirit. So if you go back and read John 14 through John 17, this exhaustive text on the Holy Spirit when Jesus is talking about why he has to come, that's the point that Jesus is making.

I'm leaving. Plus, Jayce made a point, an old point he came up with, but it had a lot of depth to it. When he said, talking about his rearing, he said, the only rule, and this is what the writer of Hebrew, the only rule is there are no rule. Yeah, well, I got that from my Christian walk. I said it on a secular TV show. Hebrews 8 or the 9, that's pretty about what it's saying. The only rule is there are no rules. The rules made you realize you can't keep them.

Yep. And I think we try to put all this in a box, but it's like, because we break down the Trinity and the Godhead just because we have trouble with the human brain comprehending how this all worked. I mean, the role of the son, the role of the spirit. But you got to remember, I mean, when Jesus died, you know, God gave up his son, but the son gave up the father.

And the Holy Spirit gave up the son and the father in that moment. I mean, they were all working together to bring about the process in their capacity as one to function. And we've made the point before. I think it's probably important to mention it here that even under the old covenant in the old system that was going on. Faith was still seen in God throughout the process. Remember, we went all the way back to Abraham going forward. They were men and women who believed in God.

The fruit of the spirit is in there against such things. There is no law. Who could look at you and say, well, what you do? Just go around loving your neighbor and loving each other. You say, you're happy because of it, love joy, and you have peace of mind instead of warfare in your head all the time, worrying about whether you're going. enough to make it. Jesus solved all of that. He brought you into a system where the fruit you bear, there's no law. Well, that's why it's better. That's why all this is better. Oh, way better.

Go ahead, Zach. Let's take a break. What's interesting about the Hebrew writer to me, one of the things that interest me rather is that he's very careful how he constructs his argument. And in Hebrews 8, when he's making the point that the First Covenant was faulty, you think, well, yeah, he's not constructing new material to make his argument. He actually goes back in references a quote out of Jeremiah. 31, 31. Well, and he didn't say the system was faulty. He said God found fault with the people keeping the system in verse 8. You know.

Good point. You see what I mean? Well, he says in verse 7. Yeah, that's a good point. If there had been nothing wrong with the first covenant, no place would have been sought for another. And the people representing you, your priests that you have in an earthly tabernacle,

the problem is their sinners. Well, I mean, that's why I think you've got to say that because we were actually human beings were the problem, but we needed to be reminded of that. Because, like I said, that's what I told in the bonus time. I was like the, it's like the passenger getting whoops, saying, yeah, I just didn't want you to say. I wish you had done that to me.

Because we all think, oh, yeah, well, what if there is the best of us out there who can keep the law and who can do it on his own and can perform? It's just not, how many years do we have to be in existence? James said you stumble at one point. Your guilt. You're breaking all of it. I mean, it's a tough way to go, Al. Well, go ahead, Zach. I interrupted you.

Well, no, my point is that, you're right. right that that's the problem the first covenant was faulty but the reason why it was faulty is because it didn't have a provision a real provision for sin but I think it would be a misunderstanding for us to think that God had this first covenant and then he got through it and it's like oh man this isn't going to work I better come up with something new yeah I wish I wouldn't come up with that yeah he knew from the beginning because that's why when he knew and that's what the Hebrew writer's point is is even in their own prophets writings Jeremiah, there was a promise of the new covenant.

And his point is, why would Jeremiah promise a new covenant that was going to come if the original covenant was the one that he was going to build his kingdom on? And his point is, it wouldn't make any sense. So he appeals not to some New Testament writer or one of the Apostles' writings or New Testament scriptures. What he does instead is he appeals to the prophets that they had already read to show them that even your own system, like, do you know your own system? Even in your own system, it says that this is not going to work. There's a new one coming. And I'm here to tell you,

here's the new one. So it's pretty clever how it does this. I will forgive their wickedness, 812, and will remember their sins no more. Yeah, let's read the whole thing. So it starts in verse 8, and here's the quote, this Jeremiah 3131. The time is coming, declares the Lord. Remember, this is said 1,500 so years, a thousand years earlier. The time is coming, declares the Lord when I will make a new covenant with the House of Israel and with the House of Judah. It will not be like the covenant I made with their forefathers when I took them by the hand to lead them out of Egypt.

So he's taking it right back to Exodus because they did not remain faithful to my covenant and I turned away from them, declares the Lord. I mean, literally that initial group didn't even make it into the promise. land, right? This is the covenant I will make with the House of Israel. After that time, declares the Lord, I will put my laws in their minds and write them on their hearts. So it's not on tablets of stone anymore. I will be their God and they will be my people. No longer will a man teach his neighbor or a man, or a man, his brother saying, know the Lord, because they will all know. Keep the rules. Keep the rules. That's what he's saying. And that's that generational passing. He said, now everybody will know. Because they will all know me from the least of them to the greatest, for I will, and to your point, Dad, for I will forgive their weakness and I will remember their sins no more. What's that next 13, three 13? By calling this covenant new, he made the first one obsolete.

And what is obsolete and aging, and here's dad, to your point about 80, 70, will soon disappear. And we made this point in the overtime, we hadn't said it yet in today, that when Jesus left here, there was almost a 40-year period from his resurrection and ascension into heaven before the temple was destroyed. And you remember the mode that Paul and the others did was that they went out. And the first place they would go to in a city is the Jewish synagogue to reason with them about who Jesus was, that he was the Messiah.

And I'm sure they quoted Jeremiah 3131 many times in that process. So I think God was showing even in this new covenant, a period of grace to try to get his people to see who Jesus really was. And they didn't want them to miss it, right? Paul said in Romans, he said it so strongly. He said, I would be cursed myself accursed. In other words, I would be anathom. I would take my own destruction if I could save my Jewish brethren. I mean, that's a statement there.

You think about it. He said, I would give my soul, is what he said, if I could win them all. I mean, I just think it would be difficult, you know. I mean, it would be difficult to make that transition. Yeah. I mean, that's your heritage, that's your culture, that even to Zach's point about God wanting to live with people. I mean, the tabernacle, but he also, I mean, he chose a nation. Why?

He was planting all those shadows to, that would eventually be realized in Christ, which is, oh he he's gonna he wants to live so close with people he wants to be in you right well you can't get any more intimate than that and we're not saying what we're saying neither is the hebrew writer anything about ostracizing and any kind of hatred to come up against our jewish people no i mean our salvation is from the jews it's not like they're being abandoned by god he's just showing them a better way than they currently have. Well, because it included the rest of the human race. Yeah.

I mean, that was really, but he chose them first, and I think there's reasons for that, you know. Well, we can see how people for 250 years in America have, they kind of developed themselves in one little group, and they said, we got it y'all down and ha, ha, ha, but it's just really not a good way to look at it, Jay. Oh, feels terrible. It's the denominationalism of our,

society is a there's a lot of things that are negative. I think that's Paul's point in Romans 9. When he starts off Romans 9, he says, I'm telling you the truth in Christ. And this was what I was mentioned earlier about that he would basically go to hell if it meant the salvation of his people. But Paul says, I'm not lying in my conscience, testifies with me in the Holy Spirit that I have great sorrow and unceasing grief in my heart. For I wish that I myself were cursed, separated from Christ for the sake of my brethren, my kinsmen, according to the flesh, who are Israelites.

And he's talking about DNA, right? He's talking about these are people that have the same DNA as me, my kinsman according to the flesh, who are Israelites, to whom belong the adoption as sons and the glory and the covenants and the giving of the law and the temple service and the promise. who are the fathers and from whom is the Christ according to the flesh. In other words, when the Christ comes, he's going to, like I still once said, when God became flesh, he became Jewish flesh, who is overall, God blessed forever. Amen. And he goes through this whole thing about setting up this argument in Romans 9, which is a continuation of the first eight chapters of Romans.

Basically, they're like, I'm opening this thing up. and I'm opening it up to Gentiles. I'm opening up my presence to everybody. Everyone's going to have access to it. They may not all accept it, and they're not. We know that because of the parable of the sewer, but at least it's going to be opened up. And so I think that we see through the writings of Paul

and through the Hebrew writer, there is this, they're on the same page with this whole system. It's not, it was never meant for that in the first place. It was not the end of what God was trying to accomplish it, was just a means to an end. A better way. Yeah. He made that point. Hang on, Jess.

Let's take a break. He made that point earlier in Romans 3, you know, where he said, for we maintain that a man is justified by faith apart from observing the law. Is God the God of Jews only? Question mark. Is he not the God of Gentiles, too? I mean, he was making the same point. He had just said that famous paragraph about. But now a righteousness from God, apart from law, has been made known.

Well, who's that? The same point in Hebrews. He became the righteousness through the death and birth, death, life of Jesus, resurrection. Because then he said, because, you know, people are confused because they're like, well, all have sinned, Jew and Gentile. And then he makes that point in 24, you know, where he said, and are justified freely. by His grace through the redemption that came by Jesus Christ. Well, then he dealt with those sins

before Jesus because you know, you think about all the different circumstances you can be in. Well, what if you were before Jesus? Well, how you're under a system that makes you realize I need help. I can't keep this system.

But he says, God presented Jesus as a sacrifice of atonement through faith in his blood. He did this to demonstrate his justice because in his forbearance he had left the sins committed beforehand unpunished. He did it to demonstrate his justice at the present time so as to be just and the one who justifies those who have faith in Jesus. That's why I'm saying God is deeper than just love.

He's just, he's holy, he's wise. And you think about this idea that he's making in Hebrews 8 when, when he says that I've made this covenant with you, but it was a faulty covenant to, I would say to your point, Jason, but to the Hebrew writer's point, the fault was because the people that he made it with were not going to keep it. That was the fault of it. I'm kind of taking issue on the faulty covenant. It's like when he said the law is spiritual, you know, when Paul said that, he says the law,

in Roman 7, he says the law is spiritual, but I'm unspiritual. I mean, it was something... What is your own... What is your translation say in Hebrews 8, 7? Yeah, it says, for if there had been nothing wrong with that first covenant, no place would have been sought for another. But, I mean... That's what you mean.

I mean, the new American standard says its fault. But in verse 8, he says, God found fault with the people and says... Which is that was the problem. That's what I'm saying. Yeah. Which is my point. They're still faulty because of the people. Which is my point.

But I think it's important to clarify that, is what I'm saying. Yeah, and that's what we've said. But the Hebrew writer also said, just remember, that all of the patriarchs and the ones who were all the, what you call it, the role of faith. In Hebrews, when you finally get over there, the role of faith, when all these men, the great men of faith, they were slaughtered and all that. By the time you get the last part of church. Oh, all right in chapter 11. Yeah. They were all commended for their faith,

but most people don't realize that yet none of them received what had been promised. God had planned something better for us so that only together with us would they be made perfect. So the blood goes back in time to pick up all the ones who live by faith because they were all sinful men. They all made mistakes. But even they benefit. and they weren't even living at the time. But in God's mercy, the new covenant went all the way back to the ones of old, Abraham, Noah, all of them. You say, boy, it brought them together with us.

You're talking about a great God. Yeah, it transcends our time. Oh, yeah. To Jesus, the dilemma. Let me just mention more of verse for you telling me, though. Because I was thinking, like, what do you do about 1 Timothy 1,8? You know, he says, we know that the law is good if one uses it properly. Hmm.

We also know that the law is made not for the righteous, but for lawbreakers, you know, the ungodly, sinful. You know, he goes through this whole list. And then it says whatever is contrary to the sound doctrine that conforms to the glorious gospel of the blessed God, which you entrusted to me. All right, go. So that's why I brought up Romans 9, because I think the point in Romans 9 that Paul's making, which this chapter gets taken out of context so much, and I think it's because we're not reading it in the redemptive work that God's doing with Israel and opening that up for everyone. I agree.

I agree. If you read verse 6, what does he say? He said, it's not as though God's word has failed. Well, why would he say that? Because he's saying, I would be cursed if it meant the, if it meant the salvation of Israel. But Israel had clearly continued to reject God. That's what, that's the whole point of Hebrews 8. That they, the fault was with Hebrew, or I'm sorry, with the people, they rejected God's covenant.

They rejected God's promise. And when he's saying is, well, does that mean that God's word has failed? His plan's not going to work. And his point is, no, it's not that. For they are, here's why, this is key, for they are not all Israel who are descended from Israel, nor are they all children because they are Abraham's descendants. But through Isaac, your descendants will be named. That is, it is not, here's the key verse, verse eight, that it is not the children of the flesh who are children of God,

but the children of the promise who are regarded as descendants. So when you turn back to Hebrews chapter 8, where you had that passage out of Jeremiah, because the question I was going to ask is when he said, I made, verse 10, for this is the covenant that I make with the house of Israel. And those days says the Lord, I will put laws into their heart. I will write them on their, put them in their minds, write them on their heart referencing, that's also referenced in Romans chapter, was it, one or two. I'll write them on their hearts, talking about the Gentiles. I think what we've got to understand is That's Romans 10 Well he said I'll write it out of the heart I thought it was Romans

I know it's in Romans 10 I mean it's like 10 And he says The Gentiles Who showed that they are laws to themselves Because they had the law written on their hearts Yeah I know I thought it was 10

All right it's not Let's take a break Yeah we'll look at it up write them on their hearts. He says it in Hebrew's 10. I guess that's what. Let's see here. Where is that it?

I know where it is on the page. Right here. It's in Romans 2. In Romans 2 it says, for the Gentiles who do not have the law, do instinctively the things of the law, these not having the law are law

into themselves, and that they show that the work of the law is written on their hearts, their conscience. That's it. Bearing witness and their thoughts alternatively, alternately, alternately accusing or else defending them on the day when, according to my gospel, God will judge the secrets of men through Jesus Christ. My point is, or I think the point here is, is that not every, the true Israel,

true Israel is not the children of the flesh. That's not going to be the ones who inherit. That's not the children of God. The children of God are those who are descendants of the promise, not the DNA. It's not the DNA that saves you. It's those who are grafted in because of the promise of God, which are the children of faith, people who put their faith in Christ. I think that's the point that he's getting out here and the new covenant. I believe you're right.

No, I think you're right. You can't do it without Jesus. I mean, when he got to Romans 10, 3, and 4, he's like, since they did not know the righteousness that comes from God, which is Jesus. and sought to establish their own, they did not submit to God's righteousness. Christ is the end, the fulfillment, you know, of the law so that there may be righteousness for everyone who believe. Right. First for the Jew, then the Gentile.

Well, that's wrong. That's the name of this podcast. I'm unashamed of the gospel. Why? It's first for the Jew, then for the Gentile, which means everybody. Yep. Right. Well, said.

I agree. I wanted to return back in our last few minutes, this concept that he mentions in the last verse in chapter 8 about obsolete. Because it's something we understand. And I looked up the meaning of the English word, an adjective obsolete, no longer produced or used out of date. And then, of course, the verb is to cause to become obsolete, replacing it with something new, which is the Hebrew writer's point. But, you know, we understand the concept of obsolete because I was sitting there thinking about in the, in dad, in 40 years, when you started basically the duck call business, a little over the 40, but 40 years ago, we started out by filming and they had the concept end of a VHS tape. You could take a big plastic thing with the tape inside. No disc. No disc. No computerized.

H.S. And so how many of, do you watch a lot of VHS? now, Jase. You got your PCR at home and you play your stuff. No, I made the switch on that. Absolute. And so we did a few of those. And then we had DVDs.

Remember, we thought, oh, DVDs. That's it. We'll be using this until the Lord comes back. That's true. Well, guess what? Anybody've been playing any DVDs lately? No. I couldn't even find a deal.

But you're still watching the same shows. Now it's all direct, you know, upload. It's a better way to watch the show. Exactly. So all, in our lifetime, we had three different changes just in the way that we produced our duck hunting stuff so we understand the concept of obsolete this thing though just took place over thousands of years which made it but i mean to be fair this it's absolute it's absolute obsolete and it's uh it's it's aging it will soon disappear

it's not only obsolete it's absolute but what i'm saying if you're going to use that illustration so then Jesus came and allowed us to be, not to watch the show, but be a part of it. Yeah. He and us, we're actually the show itself. I mean, that's the difference. Well, and the even bigger difference is this covenant is never going to be absolute. No. It's never going to end.

This is eternal, which is the ultimate victory in the whole thing. And here you're your point, Dad, the obsolete has now become. the absolute. That's it. Which is very, very powerful when you think about it. Oh, it is. I had a couple other things I didn't even get to on our list. We got our list and then we got went off.

But, because 2 Corinthians 3 kind of mirrors this same thought. You remember when he gets to the end and he was like, you know, he takes away the veil. And because basically the law was a way to cover up your sin. I mean, I'm being coy there. but and then when you what is the better promise in christ well he atoned for it he took it away he remembers it no more he so the law exposed us as as sinners but the what jesus did not only acknowledged that exposure but then forgave us and extended his grace and so that we can say you know the power that's been done in us of transformation all the benefits

of having your sins remove was done through Jesus. I mean, that's, when you look at the difference on why this is better, I mean, that's, no, that's a good point in the 2nd Corinthians 3 and 4 I hadn't thought about was Paul in those texts uses the idea of the glory, but he's still talking about the two covenants. You know, under one covenant, the glory faded because when Moses would get away from God, the glow that was there would begin to fade. and he was like, people realize that this isn't, this isn't going to last. Then he talks about the new covenant where there's the, the glow never fades, is basically.

Well, I went down that road because he said, this is founded on better promises. So everywhere that transition is discussed in Roman, the St. Corinthians 3, you start looking at it's like, no, that's better. I actually, because we talked about, I'll give you this illustration, this will be a good, teaser for chapter 9 that we'll get into, you know, next time. But you got to remember, when we get into the details of what this temple worship entailed and the priest going in there, you know, legends came out, not recorded in the Bible, but of these poor fellows who would go in there once a year. And they would put, you know, bells on their, on their head.

And get a rope on their leg. And tie a rope on their foot, and you're like, what are they doing? Because if that bell wasn't dingin, they thought, well, God said, you did something wrong, right? And look, so then the other priest can't go in there. So they had pull him out, dead man down. So what it made me think was is we have a mutual friend and y'all are all going to know who it is when I say this. Because he had a really rough pass. you know the Lord he had this you know he came to the Lord and uh it was a great transformation

and but every time you'd see him and you'd ask him how he was doing he'd say I'm just trying to survive but you know what made me think in this moment well we we really that's a bad response because the old law that's what they were trying to do they were basically trying to do they were basically trying to survive. If I would have studied Hebrews more the way we have through this, when he said, I'm just trying to survive, I would say to this day, well, you need to focus on the new covenant. Yeah.

Because that survival has happened. You know what you should have said? We're not just surviving. We're thriving. That is the difference. Do you want to survive or do you want to thrive? I mean. And that's the big difference between the old covenant and the new covenant is one is about

survival, one's about thriving. You know, that's why Second Peter says it is that we are participators or partakers, to your point earlier, Jay's, of the divine nature. I mean, it doesn't mean that God's power is not still there. And look, when we read in chapter 9, there are some things you're kind of like, ooh, that's kind of scary. I mean, because God is God and we're not.

But, I mean, he did all this so we could be saved and we could be confident and we could draw. near. I mean, he talks a lot about confidence. And so there is a transition and there is a reason it's better. And I'm glad to be a part of the new covenant. I am too. I got a verse I'm going to read, but I'm going to do that in overtime. It kind of goes to the point you were just saying. So if you want to follow us over there, it's blazTV.com slash unashamed. Thanks for listening to the Unashamed podcast. Help us out by rating us on iTunes. And don't miss an episode by subscribing on YouTube and be sure to click that little bell to get notified about new episodes.

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