Unashamed with the Robertson Family - Ep 517 | When Jase Visited the People of Israel & Phil Addresses 'These Last Days'

Episode Date: July 24, 2022

Phil talks about the many interpretations and speculations on what the last days really are. Zach points out that the focus should be on the "who" of Jesus, instead of the "when" or "how" the future could play out. Jase describes his journey to Israel and what it was like to spend time with the people and experience their hospitality. Phil and Jase talk about the Sabbath and how you should dress in the "house of God." And Al explains why Jerusalem should be important to Christians. Sign up to watch the Unashamed overtime show, only on BlazeTV: https://BlazeTV.com/Unashamed - Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

I am unashamed. What about you? The, uh, there's one of them injuries. We've lost your mind. Phil, Phil. Talking your mind, yeah. Somebody told me that it doesn't matter what you say if no one hears it.

That's true. Well, I bled. I bled for about, uh, oh. Have you heard on this injury? Have you heard you said? Bill, how are you doing? Yeah. I've led for about three days.

It may have been that scouting. So that told me the wound was a little deeper than I thought. Yeah, I told that story last night to a bunch of guys I was in a card tournament. And that's as hard. Well, once somebody said, is he okay? And I said, yeah, I've never seen people laugh that hard. Oh. I stabbed myself accidentally.

Yeah. I can see it, you know, cutting up carrots. Okay, he's nip your finger a little bit. But this was just a straight-on pocket knife to the bone. It just shows you how dangerous we are to ourselves. Don't sit in a lounge chair with a pocket knife open. Just don't do it. It was just on the right.

I forgot it was there. Move my leg to, you know, I'm kind of limbered so I don't, my feet, uncurl my legs up like this. You can pull them in, yeah. Oh, yeah. You sit, I mean, do you say Indian style? Is that fair? Everybody says Indian style.

Native American style. But I've told this story before. If you were when I was a kid, we used to play that we would throw the knife at each other's feet. And look, one of our, it's like the guy who just always took the wrong end of everything. He was, he was your neighbors somewhere down, Kim, when he was. They would come visit, you know. And he's the same one that had a bike wreck, and he just went forward between his legs, and it just, it was almost a career end in injury.

I mean, but we were throwing them knives, me, Willie, and him, his name was Mel. And I forgot if I threw it or Willie through the knife, and it just stuck him right between the time. And Willie was like, you lose. Willie, no, for his compassion. I mean, what are we? I think back on that. As soon as I saw the wound with the blood coming out of it, in my mind, I said, that could stand about three to four little stitches, tight stitches.

And this thing would get well in, you know, a few days. But I said, ah, I'll make it. So I thought to stick it in some boiling hot. It took me longer to stop the bleeding that I thought. And it bled for about two days after that. But it finally got to where it finally closed up. But, you know, it's just a little, little. Oh, well, all I can say is that the wound is kind of open.

I'm just glad this didn't happen to your wife, our mother, Miss Kay. Oh, you want to? Because we'd be, it would have been wound care for the next two weeks. Phil, you've got to look at it. Hectorberg oxygen chambers. That's right. I mean, she woke Bobo up, and he was sleeping soundly, and she said, oh, little Bobo, and she just got it right in, you know, and woke him up.

Well, he thought somebody was after him in his dream or something. He did, and about that quick, and her lips were just torn on the top, the bottom. I mean, you know, stitches. Unlike you, she went for stitches because she needed them. She went for, she had to, though. Had to, that was a bad thing. She's healed up. That happened at 11.30 one night, you know, when she was thinking, go, she just like, you know, goodbye Jojo.

But, I mean, it was, it was, she was bleeding like a stuffed pig. It's dangerous out there. Well, Phil, I've noticed that the older, older we get, they become the phrase in these last days, the imperishable body, the resurrectionally longer. Well, I'm saying is there, when the time had fully come, Galatians 4 and all these, you look, at them. God sent his son and then the Hebrew writers writing about you know in the past God spoke to the prophets at various times many ways but now in these last days and then it again over here he appeared at the end of the ages which is what we're looking at Hebrews chapter 8 I'm just saying this thing is not going to keep going going going going in my opinion

for for millenniums I don't think so doesn't seem to I think it's close to than that. Well, there is a lot of... I could be wrong. When you see, like, on verse 2, in these last days, I would say most religious people says, well, that's the end of time, which I've always looked at it like one generation.

No matter what you read, we're in the last days of life. I mean, what's the verse that says, we're like a flower that crops up or a great bladed around? Jesus has come and done his work. and it's been over 2,000 years now. It's not going to just keep going to millenniums after millenniums. But you can say, you know, what does it mean last days?

But your point is valid. It has been 2,000 years. That's right. Well, right. Since these writings happen. Which is confusing to the non-Christian or to the one who's seeking a relationship with God. They're like, what's you talking about last days? It was just like today.

I was reading a tweet today, and I was reading it. And I thought it was a tweet done today. And it said, you know, we have 11 years left, a 4. this happens. It talked about rising flood tides and this country was going to go under and that one and this one and it was a lot of disaster. And then at the bottom it said quote made in 1989. In other words, some science person said in 1989 we had 11 years and here's all the stuff was going to happen. Well, that was 22 years ago. It didn't happen. Well, right. But it was so I'm saying is you know, you got to watch it when you start putting predictions. One thing I know for sure is we don't

know when it's going to end. It says it's, yeah. That's the one thing we can't know. Like a thief in the night, that means you don't know. You don't know. But there is something to be said. We talked about it last podcast, you know, like the last verse in chapter 8, when he says, calling this covenant new, because here comes Jesus bringing a new covenant.

He has made the first one obsolete. And what is obsolete and aging, well, then he throws in this strange phrase, will soon disappear. So for us, we're looking at it like, well, you had this religion that was birthed by God in Israel, in a nation. And I guess the Mecca Center was the temple at Jerusalem. Correct. And that's the exact context he's talking about in Hebrews 8, the high priest. Well, you would agree that seemingly big events, biblically speaking,

happened roughly ever 2,000 years. Well, I don't know about that. There have been every 2000 years a pretty major happening. I agree with that. That's what I'm saying. Because before this, it was when the first covenant was made.

Before that's when you start seeing the history of human beings. So, I mean. From the promised to Abraham, I don't know how long it was from there to the law of Moses being given. And then from there, all the way, your old line, Jesus is coming. Well, I know.

Well, what I'm saying is in 4,000, we're not going to know about that one. We won't. Or, well, I guess you do have some aware in it since you have the Holy Spirit of God. You know, I've said that when you die, I do think it, as related to time, I don't think you're sitting around waiting. No, it's not going to be. I think when you die, the next thing that will happen in the twinkling of an eye,

the resurrection takes place. That is correct. So, do you don't have to worry about time? You close your eyes and within seconds you'll open your eyes. You're back going again. That was quick. Yeah. I mean, no time is passing if you're asleep, dead asleep.

No time is passing for you. That's why when you're sleeping well, you put your head on the pillar. Last night, I woke up like that. I mean, I put my head down and I woke up like that. I looked around. I looked over at the clock on the wall. It was five, quarter to five. Because why do you look at the clock?

I just looked at the clock. Because you have I been to sleep a minute? Or have I been asleep? Oh, I'd been asleep just seconds ago. Yeah. I was just putting my head down on the pillar. I woke up. I said, I looked around.

I looked at the clock and said, five, five, 15. I said, okay, I'd still sleep another hour or two here. And I just repeated what I just did. I went right back to sleep. And it felt like you just... I had my alarm said just in case, but I was waking up before the alarm. But I was basically dead asleep.

Yeah, nothing stirred you. Yeah, I've had a weird problem. Somehow my alarm got changed. I did not just have the song. Just done da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da. But somehow I hit a button somewhere, and now it's like twinklies. So my alarm is like, twink-a-twin.

And so it's a strange sound. So it's like, what is that? And I can't get it back to a song. Mine's got the little, you bought yours at an actual store. I have mine is my phone. I shopped around to find a clock that was dated back years. I didn't go to this modern day. I said, well.

Yeah, you're a relic hunter. You're an alarm clock relic. That's right. Do you wind it up, too? Nope, it's not that. You just click it on, and it'll sit there, and it'll run for about an hour if you don't turn it off. It's just sitting there. I'm going to get you for Christmas.

I'm going to get you the sand that you turn over. That's right. Let's just go. You all gave me that. Whatever you do, don't get him Alexa. Just call Alexa. She was good to me for about two days. You're the only human that got into an argument.

I said, I'm sorry, right now we're having trouble. I said, get this thing out of here. She's arguing with me. I can't do it. That's what she was saying. I can't wake you up in the morning, no. You know why? Because you discover she's an atheist.

She didn't know about the Jesus. Well, y'all had an argument, and then mistakes were made, and it led to separation and eventually a divorce. Yep, yep. Now she's living down there with Lynn. She was, we call that, this is unashamed. This was unplugged. No more Alexa.

I didn't like the way she's talking. Alexa unplugged. I didn't like a device there. You know, I know when to wake you up. I'm like, wait a minute. You're way too paranoid for that. Oh, man. Then dad says she asked about Si.

He said, how does she know that Cy's my brother? Yeah. She asked about Cy. That's what Dad said. She mentioned Si Silas Robinson. Well, she's getting this from the Internet. That's her data. Well, somebody said once you put it on Alexa type contraption,

you're bugged from that day on everything. Yeah, you don't like to wish. But the problem is the Internet, like half the things about me on the Internet are false. But she has that as truth. So she's, Alexa's problem is too much fake news. Well, she's just, she's just gossiping. about what she's hearing. I knew this is going to come down

as she was a sinner. She needs to repent is what needs to happen. She needs to be baptized. That's right. Somebody tells you a story. False. You have to make a decision on whether this is a false story

or is this true. And she doesn't have that mechanism. What did she say? I'm not sure. Well, when I was talking to her about counting time by Jesus, she said, nope. I said, that's what I thought.

get her out of here. Atheist. Who did she say we count in time by? She said, we cannot make a comment on there or something. You know, it does not compute. I said, who will we count in time by? What year is it in China? She said, 2000, 22.

I said, okay. I said, what about Red China? 2000, 22. What about Russia? 22. I said, so who is it? We're counting time by. Why is it?

2,022 years from what, Alexa? You had an argument with her. Does not, we have not able to... I said, that's what I thought, blowing smoke again. Did she then start into... She didn't say, okay, it's 2,022 AD. Did you actually get angry, or were you frustrated during this conversation? I just wanted to know what she thought.

I was just curious if you actually were getting it. I told me she had limitations, and she's the one that I'm going to depend on to get me up that morning? No. Did she ever go into her 60s? computer, peepoo, pooh, peepoo, peep, peep, peep, peep, yeah. Usually when dad talks about the computer, he goes back to the 1960s supercomputer. That is how it started off. I mean, you remember the AOL? It would do that scream like something's in pain out of the wood. That's how you knew your own life. It seemed almost demonic to me at that point. It was called a dial-up.

Dial-up. You dialed in. Yeah, dial-up. And it was just like a woman screaming. Yep. Should have known right then. That was when Alexa was born. One of the reason I think that it may be sooner than later on the, they said, because ironically, the Hebrew writer wrote down, in the beginning, God laid the foundations of the earth and the heavens are the work of his hands. They'll perish, but you remain, they'll all wear out like a garment. This thing is going to wear out. It's going to just, and you think about it, humans reliving on it is that we're up to 2,000, probably, I mean, a 7-bush. You look around, it'll be 13 billion, and the planet, according to the Hebrew writer, is, in fact, going to just wear out. Well, it makes perfect sense.

I mean, that, you know, how long can you drain it, dredge it, do this and do that, and worry about it. So the people, the new green deal says, no, we'll stop it from deteriorating, but God in the book of Hebrew said, no, I'm going to destroy it. You don't even need the Bible to know it. He just said it's going to wear out. Take a break. Which makes sense to me. But he also said, he made it. I mean, verse two.

That verse two, when he said in his last day, he has spoken to us by his son. When you think about words and being educated, you have books contain words. Words give you a direction to a person. Yep. People speak words. Yep. And he said, he's the final word.

And oh, by the way, through whom he made. the universe. Yep. And by the way. I definitely think he's talking here about what's about to happen in the near future with the destruction and not just the temple, but the Levitical priesthood. That's really the case he's been making. So when you get to that, I know we're going to start chapter 9 today, but when you get to the end of chapter 8 to Jason's point earlier that he read, it really gives a lot of credibility to that argument when he says,

whatever is becoming obsolete, which we know what that is, that's the old covenant. It was the temple. It was the tabernacle system. It was the Levitical priesthood from Aaron. It's growing old, so it's getting old, and it's ready to disappear. And just a few short years later, the temple in Jerusalem, was destroyed and the whole Levitical priesthood and

acts of worship and all that. It was all destroyed. And so he's kind of good that he wrote this because he's preparing these people for hey, this isn't going to last much longer. And anybody can research this. Anybody could research this and see these what we're covering. And it should make sense to them.

I mean, they know about the destroyed. They know about that. The history records It's the destruction of the temple. The Jewish nations as a people, it records it. But they're still trying to do this today, wouldn't you agree? Trying to do what? I'm sure there's sects of people who are still following that old system. Oh, yeah.

Oh, yeah. But. Well, you had made the point. Yeah, you made a point in the previous podcast of how the religious world today we still struggle with these same. We may not be worshipping the temple or, but we have our own version of that. Oh, I agree. I really believe that.

It's a structural. Structural ritualism is what it is. It's the same concept. Based on your performance. Right. And they'll even use the same terminology. So Sunday becomes Sabbath. You know, I mean, and it's sacrosan, you know.

I remember even in my lifetime in ministry, like I'd say something about playing golf on Sunday and they're like, well, you can't play golf on the Sabbath. I was like, what? Yeah. Sunday's not a, where did you get that? idea. But so a lot of that's transferred over. They just took that old Judaism, old covenant and brought it right into the new covenant. Yep. And you try to wear, you try to wear a hat in the building or something. And I mean, I, I mean, I, how many times of people, you know, question you

guys on how you're dressed in the building as if. Oh, yeah. Now, this is different here. You know, this is the house of God. And we're like, no, it's really not the house of God. It's a, it's a, it's a brick and mortar building that's something built. I've been confronted numerous times. You know, You know what's crazy is I've done hundreds of speeches in front of people, thousands of people, and the only time someone has ever said something to me in a negative light has been about what I was wearing or how I look. Never about the content of the speech. That's right. Just about the look.

Yeah, which is I found, I found disturbing. It is disturbing. The same thing. Paul said the same thing. In the second Corinthians, he said, you're judging by mere appearances in chapter 10. I preached on a sudden. You know, they were more concerned about how he looked, how he spoke when he was there, you know, his style.

And he was like, you're missing the whole point of what this is about. And I would say that's the case as well. But, well, it's funny, though, when I was in D.C. With Lisa, when she spoke at the big right to life, I had never seen that many groups because, you know, I don't get out a lot in terms of other people's, like, denominations and all this. But man, I saw more flowing robes and big hats and staffs and rings and major like, I mean, there's some people that are wearing some very outlandish things out there, you know,

that were leaders of these different groups. I don't even know what they were. But I just, it was kind of shocking to me because, you know, you just don't see that that much. But there are some groups that are still, they got the same stuff you read about in Exodus, the, the e-pods and the breastplates. And that's all still a thing on the Christianity side. So it's still there.

I mean, because the problem I have, you could take that into, you know, there's some groups that they say, you've got to wear your best. But, you know, it's hard to know, especially when you get into fashion. That's subjective. Yeah. But there are groups because I've spoken at them and they're like, you're not wearing your best. I'm like, well, this is all I got. But you know what?

Technically, it would be what mom. But what I was going to finish my mom. My thought was, though, is if everybody looks like a 1960s, you know, 70s movie in perfect suit. And I don't know why I'm thinking that. I'm thinking of that old movie where everything looked perfect, you know. But if somebody comes in off the street wearing rags, he would feel... He wouldn't fit in. Yeah, well, you know, what is our mission here?

Is it to reach other people or is it to look like a movie? Well, you know what's funny is that now, in our charge, there's like one person that still wears dresses like you just described. But I've always said, I want you to keep wearing it because in case somebody comes by in a suit, I want them to feel like they'll come find you because now it's such a minority to dress up in the current thing that they don't do that. Well, I think. But you know, one of the reasons, most churches, I don't think. Most of the ones that wasn't a problem when you read about in the Bible is everybody wore robes, men and women.

And I was watching that because Biden went over to Saudi Arabia and they were wearing those robes. And I said, you know, I don't think I would be against, let's go back. I like the idea of just everybody wears robes. It's more comfortable, you know, you just, you don't have to worry about button flies and zippers and all buttons. Just just robes. Just everybody back to the roof. It's pretty hot. As a man who does a lot of activities outside and in the woods, I think that would be a catch-all.

And it would be hot. Well, that is true. You do have a tendency to catch-all. catch a lot of critters. Going through a thicket and a robe. You know what I mean? It'd just be hard to do. You just, you need form fitting.

I guess you had fancy roads. You had casual robes back then. You had, you know, comfort robes. I don't know. Well, we mentioned just for our study here today, just so you boys will do this food for thought. And girls. You got Luke chapter one when the angel appeared to Mary, he said, the power of the most high,

Gabriel, an angel told her this, the little virgin girl, will overshadow you. So the holy one to be born will be called the son of God. Even Elizabeth, your relative, the angel tells Mary,

is going to have a child in her old age. And she was said to be barren. And she's in her six months. And so it's more than you, going down here. John the Baptist is going to come too. But anyway, for nothing, he says, is impossible with God.

Well, one of the things I noticed in the book of Hebrews, four places, and then we'll cover them as we get to them. One, two, we've already been by. The two that we've gone on by is Hebrew 6'4. And I'll just cut to the chase. There was a little bit of arguments between us here when we got to this. but Hebrews 4 chapter 6 verse 4 it's impossible here's the first impossible in the book of hebrews for those who have once been enlightened who have tasted the heavenly gift who have shared in the

holy spirit who have tasted the goodness of the word of god and the power of the coming age if they fall away to be brought back to repentance because to their loss they're crucifying the son of god all over again subjected to him to public disgrace I think basically what he's saying is, look, the only thing that you can be told to bring you back is what you already know. You already had that information. So the only information I can give you as far as life and immortality is what you've just rejected. Well, it's impossible for them to come back because all you can tell them is what they've already heard and they still turned away. So that's one.

Hang on, Dad. Hang on. Let's take a break. Then you got 618, which says, when God made the promise to Abraham, I'll bless all nations through you, verse 17, for because God wanted to make the unchanging nature of his purpose very clear to the heirs of what was promised. He confirmed it with an oath, how we all came from our Father Abraham and how all this went down. God did it so that by two unchangeable things in which it's impossible. impossible for God to lie.

I like it because everything I read, I believe it to be true. We who have fled to take hold of the whole poverty to us may be greatly encouraged. He's going to save us, and he's promised he's going to do it with an oath. Then you got 10-4. It's impossible. Those sacrifices, chapter 10, verse 3, are an annual reminder. This is coming up in the next few days. reminder of sins because it is impossible for the blood of bulls and ghosts to take away sins.

So with every one of these, it all affects Jesus, each one of these promises. The first one, he'll be the Son of God and he will save the world. And yep, there won't be any sex involved, but with God, nothing's impossible. He can do anything. Well, then you get to the next level and you say, okay, If you fall away, what about that? Well, you can't bring you back because you already know by Jesus. It's all about Jesus and your view of him and your allegiance to him or not.

So you got 10-4 impossible. And 116 says, simply put, without faith, anyone who comes to Jesus must believe that he exists. It's still about Jesus. First, the one that's going to renounce him. First, how he got here, then the one said, well, what if I hear that he died for me? I put my faith in him, and I've come to him, and I'm going to stay the course. He's there to mediate for me. It's all about Jesus.

But you turn from that, you say, there's no other way you can get there except through him. So he's in the promise. He said, the promise made is there will be a Jesus, he'll save you. That's basically what he's had on Abraham. I'll bless you. And you're going to be the heir of many people. Well, so when you get to the last part, 116, simple trust and faith, you'll be okay. He rewards those who earnestly seeking.

It's impossible to please him without faith. You just have to believe it and move on. So I say in that, as we go forth, it's still all about Jesus from one end to the other. And the Hebrew writer is elaborating. you're not getting out here without him. So here we are. I like it. And you're right.

That'd be interesting, Jay, so look and see sometime if those are all the same word, Greek word. Well, what they're doing here? Research that. Y'all are the big-time researcher. We'll research that. That's an interesting thought that no other book that I know in the Bible mentions that word four times. Me either. Yeah.

I mean, I just noticed that and I said, well, good night. If it's impossible, that means with him, we got on the others out. All things are possible with him. That's a sermon. Mission impossible. Yeah, that's a sermon. Mission impossible. But then ultimately, it would be possible because God did it.

Well, I've said many times that movie, the time, which there's a new one coming out, I think. Really? No, I don't know. They always. But when this was written to the Hebrews, it would be good for them to understand. understand, listen, what you're trying to do without Jesus, it's impossible for you to please God the way you're doing. I mean, you know, all things are possible with him, and it's impossible without him. So, and it all zones in on Jesus, the Son of God, from his birth to his death, to his

resurrection, to his mediating work. He did throw in the, it's impossible for him to lie. But I think that's significant because he said, Jesus is basically the final word. I mean, he said that he sustains all things by his powerful word. I just stuck with the impossible with the book of Hebrews. No, but I'm saying. Hebrews, Hebrews 6-4, Hebrews 6-18, Hebrews 10-4, Hebrews 11-4. It's all the same word.

Yeah. Yeah. So that is the same group. There you go. There you go. But it is used in different ways. That makes me feel better about being on the side of Jesus, the son of God. What about you, Zach?

Oh, absolutely. You look at what's going on here and where context is at today. Going back to our previous discussion, I think it's what you're saying is absolutely true. What they were doing, particularly or what he's addressing here is the obsession, not the obsession, because this is where, I mean, it wasn't an obsession to it, but they were focused on the place of where God would come and make his presence known, which was the tabernacle in the temple. and so when he gets he's given that warning and chat at the end of aid he said hey that that thing's about to go down so like you better you better jump ship on the new covenant so when he moves in why you're there Zach why you're there do our modern day Jews Ben Shapiro we love them we love them to death are modern day Jews that are not believers that Jesus is the son of God

Are they still there? I mean, when it comes to the temple being destroyed, do they all know historically that the downfall of the temple and the destruction and the mayhem and the deaths that went on with the Titus of the Roman Empire? They know that, don't they? Well, sure, sure. I mean, yeah, they know the temple's been destroyed. I would like to know what they would say about this argument in Hebrews

is that the priesthood is illegitimate because it's not Levitical. I would love to know the answer to that. Because I think the argument, the way the Hebrew writer, the way that he constructs his argument is he doesn't appeal to new revelation. He appeals to the actual word of God from the Old Testament that anyone who is a Jew would believe in. He appeals to, like we mentioned Jeremiah was the 31 in the last episode. So he's referring to their own religion and their own prophets.

So yeah, I would like to know the answer to that too. I don't know how they deal with that. When he gets in the nine, though, he goes back into the earthly tabernacle when he says. Now, even the first covenant had regulations of divine worship and the earthly sanctuary, the place. For there was a tabernacle prepared the outer one in which were the lampstands and the table. and the sacred bread. This is called the holy place. And then there's another part called the whole the behind the second

veil. There was a tabernacle, which is called the holy of holies, having a golden altar of incense and the ark of the covenant, which we know what would happen if you touch that right. You would die on all sides with gold in which was a golden jar holding the manna and Aaron's rod, which butted and the tables of the covenant. and above it were the cherubim of glory overshadowing the mercy seat. It's interesting how he ends it that.

He says, but of all these things we cannot speak now in detail. In other words, I don't want to, I don't want the bigger point here to get overshadowed by the details, but this is a reality, right? There's this place of worship. That's why I think, to your point, when he says, when he ends chapter 8, it's getting ready to disappear, he immediately goes into what is getting ready to disappear. and it's that temple, that tabernacle, that Levitical priest to it. So I don't know. I don't know. That'd be interesting to know what someone would say about that.

Let's take a break. But I've got a guy to ask. We have a one kingdom ambassador in Israel named Joseph Shulam. And I'm going to ask him that question. I'm saying to me. I think the catch is, Zach, they'll go up through the Old Testament, but they won't jump over. You know, Jesus is coming. as Jay says, and they hold on to that.

But when he got there, Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John, whoops, although they were still on the law, Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John, when that was written, the problem was they won't jump forward and read the book of Hebrews to see that it was destroyed, although they can check secular history and see that it was destroyed. I think they were in knowledge.

Yeah, if you were going to have a conversation with someone who, believed in the Old Testament, but didn't believe in the New Testament, I would think that Hebrews would be the argument that you would use. This would be the argument you would use. That's what I'm saying. Yeah, I think you go in there and, you know, when Paul went and preached in different places, you know, in Acts 17, you know, he went to the Ariopagus where all the more the Gentile philosophers hung out and they would pontificate.

Yeah, the great mind. So, you know, he went in there with one kind of, of. of presentation. Remember he said, I looked at your objects, and I saw one that said to an unknown God. I'm going to tell you about that God. That was one, but then when he went to the synagogues, which were the Jewish people, he had a completely different way that he would present and make the case for Christ. But all of his outreach, all of his outreach to the synagogues,

would you agree that most of them, 99% of didn't end up? didn't end well. I mean, how many times we are, you run out and you're beat up, beating it? I mean, he had a lot of trouble when he went to the synagogue. Finally, he just said, you know what? I'm out of here. Remember that in Book of Acts? Yeah, but there was, I mean, he did reap a harvest too, though, along the way.

I mean, I think Paul's missionary journeys show how he, how the gospel spread as he went and took it to the corners of the earth, you know, and fulfilling the great commission. And the problem now, though, there's not a temple in Jerusalem, right? Jay Jaze, you were the only one out of us that have been there. I mean, there's the site where the old one was. They got the wailing wall. Oh, yeah. But they don't have a modern, do they have a modern temple in Jerusalem?

I know there's a mosque there. I mean, to a lot of the Islamic that are there, that's their holy city. It's a wall. No, I went to it. Yeah. But it doesn't look like this was described here, right? I mean, that's. No.

But. there were places that did in the general vicinity. Right. I mean, everywhere you go in there, it's, you know, it's deemed holy because of where it's at. And you had different ways of expressing that. But that was the biggest thing I saw was that the place. Were they putting those prayers? Did you go to?

Yeah, they were doing thousands of prayers. All that's left of it is still there. Oh, yeah. That wall and they're sliding their prayers in between the Christ. and the rocks, what it looks like. Yeah. But they also did it in different places.

You know, I mean, everybody, what I notice is, everybody claimed this where something was. Right. Just think about, though, the shock of over a thousand years, for sure, from there back to when the law was given, and then here comes the temples. Well, just looking at that history, people become accustomed to that.

I can see how. It would be a major move to say that age is over, which is what the Ryu Hebrew writer is saying. It's over. Yeah, but that's what I'm saying. It's not over. They're, I mean, people, I was there. They are still, they were putting more emphasis on the place.

You think, why didn't they rebuild it? I'm saying they've just, but made the place now almost like another temple, wherever you go. I mean, these people were passionate. Well, but Jewish history is interesting. I took a course in college of Jewish people through the mid-century, you know, like from 1,300 up until the current deal. They've only been back in Israel that one particular spot as a people since 1948.

Yeah. It's less than 100 years. That's true. So they were spread out all over the planet. You know, they were in Europe. There was tons of anti-Semitism. It's always been there. Europe is still rife with it.

So it had not even begun to, to come back together. No, that's what I'm saying. They've been scattered for 2,000 years. I was just going to say that whatever I was a part of on that weekend, we went to the people's homes. We did like a four-hour, basically felt like a Lord's Supper type of thing. You know, I had a meal, and they read scriptures.

Yeah, we did all. We were, our whole group. I mean, it was long. We were there with like 35. people in one room when a couple they got up the man would get up then the woman the man they just and i was real beautiful and i mean they were tearfully you know like half the things they said was not in english so i have no idea what they were saying but it sounded great but they were passionately given it so then the next night we all went to the wall with thousands of other people

I mean, there were thousands of people there. And all the men and the women. So they have just a beaten down trail where you walk up there. I mean, because that much traffic. I mean, we just went in. What's interesting is they had like a metal detector you had to go through because I guess they were trying to keep anything bad from happening. But over thousands, so all the women, it was like a kind of,

it felt like if you just drove, by and look you would think it was like a folks festival because all they were doing dances at first and everybody was happy and and uh just doing dances and there were different chants and prayers and then it kind of got more serious without there was nobody like in charge with an mc it just evolved i mean we were there for hours and then people eventually went to that temple that wall and that's where they were emotional They were, you know, hollering out. And, I mean, I was, I was, probably weren't crazy about y'all being, like, tourists and stuff.

Probably not too crazy. No, no, no, it was no problem at all. Oh, really? No. I mean, I was called brother a couple times. Yeah. That's the only word I understood. Brother.

Brother. But I was just like, I'm going to just go to the wall. Just, I mean, I'm not sure when I'll be back. So let me. Well, getting, but getting to the wall was a problem. That's where everybody wound up. Let's take another break. But it's interesting because the reason all this is interesting to us,

because a lot of people say, why don't even care about all that? But Jerusalem was also the temple courts were the birthplace to Christianity. I mean, when the church first started meeting, guess where they were right here. So, I mean, it is. It started right there. It's our birthright. I mean, to me, the bigger problem what he's addressed in Hebrews is, I mean, these people were being persecuted, it was hard.

This was a hard job. We're going to get into that in chapter 10, you know, and even 11, he makes references of it in 12. And so early on, he said, when he says, because there's something that Zach said, made me think when he said, obsessed, maybe I shouldn't say obsessed. But I remember studying the original language in that chapter 2

when it says we must pay more careful attention to verse 1. don't know what your translation says, Zach. What we've heard. But I remember that pay more careful attention, that doesn't seem like a very strong statement. When I looked at the original Greek, it was something along the lines of furiously obsessed. It was way more intense than what you think of, we must pay more careful attention, therefore, to what we've heard so that we don't drift away. Because what happened was they had drifted. just like people do today, this is the commonality I see.

We're seeing the results. We're seeing the results of what that text says. People hear Jesus and they surrender, they give their life to Jesus. And then all of a sudden they're like, well, this is hard. This is not easy. And even suffering may happen or persecution or they may not get a job promotion. And so what happens? Well, they start drifting away from Jesus because it was kind of like,

like they had this idea in their mind that, oh, God gave me Jesus and I'm going to take him, take him into my life, kind of like my personal assistant, and we're going to have a great life. And I think this is the same thing what's happening here, because when you get to the end, it's all this suffering. And I know what happens when people are persecuted and they suffer. They don't want to do that. They don't like pain. And that's why the whole chapter, you know, 12, when you get into discipline and all.

But I that's when you know something's real Well right Because then that's why he said for if the message spoken by angels was buying I mean so we're going back to this old law I mean this is early on but I mean I think chapters one and two You have to keep going back there to remember the big picture was You don't want to drift away from Jesus You don't want to be the person in the audience saying look I've heard the gospel

I got that No you've got to be your daily life has to be furiously obsessed with that. That is the life. You're never going to move away from Jesus saying, oh, I got that figured out. Plus, you need to remind them. The Corinthians had to be reminded

that know what you are is ambassadors through whom God operates. Ambassadors represent God. He's making his appeal through your life. Yeah, and it may be uncomfortable for you and feel with persecution. and you, look, you may die because of it physically. What are you saying?

Yeah, I was thinking about, I was thinking of the last episode. I mentioned the word sanctification, and you had, Jason, you had the three appearances of past, present, and future. Yeah. You think about the term, if you think about the term salvation, salvation, biblical salvation, like you say the word, like, what does it mean to be saved? Biblically, it's not a one-time event. I mean, justification is a one-time event, but that's your,

past where you were saved from the penalty of sin. But then there's this thing called sanctification, which is that's the thing. When you just say, oh, I've heard the gospel. I'm good. I can move on now. Like, that's not, that's not what we're called to. You know, we're not called to hear the gospel and then just move on. We're called to hear the gospel come to Christ, find our justification through him.

But then we're called to be sanctified, which is what Francis Schaefer would say, that moment by moment being saved from the power or the grip of sin over your life. And I think that's a whole lot about what Hebrews is moving into as well, because they were so focused on that one-time deal, but they kept having to come back over and over to renew that, that getting right thing. And this point is it's bigger than that. It's bigger, and it's accomplished through Jesus. Sanctification and future would be glorification that we're free from the presence of sin,

which is our art. Well, it's like any relationship. That's why marriage is the best. That's why he chose these marriage as the illustration and the father, son, daughter relationship. Because you think about it, why? What's the key to those relationships? I mean, I was an idiot when I got married.

I thought she was going to do everything I said and that we were going to live happily ever after. Well, what I'm saying, what makes this a relationship? relationship is the difficulty and the, you know, the, no, I'm not doing it. I don't agree with that. And I don't, well, you think if our relationship with God in Jesus, well, as you read and you study and you do things that are wrong and contrary to the character of who you're having your relationship with,

well, you have the same feeling. You're upset. You're, you feel guilty. You don't want to do what he says, but you know he's right. and you see the consequences of that. I mean, in any relationship, you have to have that, is what I'm saying. That's what people don't want. It's a lot easier just to go do a ritual and then go live, you know, however the heck you want to live.

But this daily prep living in God's presence, it can be convicted. And that's really the whole point of where we're this chapter is because you have to understand. He's talking about the where that they worship, the how, which we hadn't read yet. and also, but what you get to, regulations for worship. Right. The key is the why. Because if you,

Jason, to use your illustration, if you were married, but you only came together with your wife once a year, and even then, it was mystical and fearful, and you weren't sure about it, what was going to happen,

and then you said, all right, see you next year. I mean, that wouldn't be much of a relationship, right? That's my point. But think about this, the answer, the why,

the most important part is in the main point of the book of Hebrews is the who. And who. That's where I was getting to, is that? There's no doubt about that. But you got to remember, they're sitting there hearing this stuff. They're, even like what I just read about that, if the message of the angels is binding.

It takes them back to Mount Sinai. And then he makes the point, how shall we escape if we ignore such great salvation that's in Jesus? But you got to remember, when he's throwing around statements like, let's fix our eyes. on Jesus, back under their system and what gave them the law, there's a fiery cloud coming around. And if you look upon the glory of God, you died. You'd just be a, it'd burn your eyes out.

It'd be something off of a bad horror movie. They were trembling in fear. Well, yeah. And all of a sudden, you're introducing all these ideas about you're going to fix your eyes on Jesus, which is why he did it. It's like, you, God has come up with a way. way to have a relationship with him. That's why he said in these last day he spoke. The pieces were the prophets, but Jesus is the puzzle. This is how I'm going to speak to you. You can fix

your eyes on him. Well, that to them was like the craziest thing. You would never look upon God. I mean, he can't be a guy because, and I think that's, that's, you know, what you have to get your head around that this awesome God who made the universe and is so big that we can't wrap our head around he come up with a way to have this relationship in something and that's why that third appearing in Hebrews 9 where it said he will appear to us in the actual Greek word there is that we can put our eyes on him right well what a what a concept that's why the 2nd Corinthians 3 says that about with unveiled face he took it away we're gonna see we can live and see and exist with god as a normal relationship well i just think as human beings we struggle with that we'd rather just

have the ritual i'd rather be scared to death going there with my head down do what i got to do and then get out of here and do the least that's right all right we're out of time we'll we'll talk a little bit more about this and overtime that was quick thanks for listening to to the Unashamed podcast. Help us out by rating us on iTunes and don't miss an episode by subscribing on YouTube and be sure to click that little bell to get notified about new episodes. And for even more content that you won't get anywhere else, subscribe to BlazTV at blaztv.com slash Unashamed.