Unashamed with the Robertson Family - Ep 518 | Jase Gets Called a 'Closet Liberal' and How a Guilty Conscience Hurts Your Relationships

Episode Date: July 25, 2022

Zach reads an "Unashamed" listener's comments about Al's recent Anthony Fauci joke, and Jase and Zach react to being called closet liberals. Phil reminds us that our lives were already bought with pain and suffering. Jase outlines how much worse a life can be without discipline. Zach discusses how a guilty conscience can be the thing that gets between you and your relationships. Al reads from the book of Hebrews to discuss man's attempts at atonement through ceremonial washings and external regulations. Sign up to watch the Unashamed overtime show, only on BlazeTV: https://BlazeTV.com/Unashamed Visit https://TommyJohn.com/PHIL and get 20% off your first order! - Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

I am unashamed. What about you? You ready for this? You all ready for this? You all ready for this. Yep. So a few podcasts back, I mentioned that I had a joke that I was considering telling it during my sermon at WFR. As it turned out, I never, I didn't use it. One is because you and Zach didn't think it was funny.

although dad did, which I appreciate that, Dad. Zach and Jace. Yeah, yeah. Zach and Jace. Yeah, exactly. And so the joke was, I told it to the environmental conference I went to because I had literally almost run into Anthony Fauci in the airport. Oh, we're going down that one again?

Yeah, well, because I found out later, a lot of our listeners have sent comments that I haven't heard yet, but Zach has seen them. So I wanted to hear what the audience thought. But just to refresh, in case you missed that, that podcast. Let's relive it. So the joke was, I had three observations about Fauci. One is he was very short.

Two, he was surrounded by big beefy bodyguards. And third, he was wearing a mask. And then I said, this was the joke. And I support him wearing a mask because I'm against the spread of BS. It fell flat. And y'all said, I shouldn't do it. And I didn't. So what did unashamed nation say about it, Zach?

Because I have no idea. You just told me that people had sent in some comments. I want to hear some of them. I really hate to read these, Al. It's okay. I'm a big boy. I feel like we got to go there. So you're going to, to my surprise, everybody loved it.

Here's a few of the comments. I may be lowbrow, but I laughed at Al's joke. Then I reround it and watched it again. I loved Al's joke. I thought it was hilarious. It's okay. I laughed too hard at your joke, Al. Al, I would have given you a standing ovation for that joke.

Ow, I would have laughed at the Dr. Faky joke. Thanks so much for sharing. And it just goes on and on and on. Probably the one you like the most was the one that said, from Darren, that said, I liked your joke, Al. I think Jace and Zach are closet libs. He's probably That's a low blow

What's a low blow I mean Thank you I'm a shame nation For for validating what I knew That was a good joke It was good Yeah so yeah

I mean I don't know what to make of that But I love the icebreaker About Fauci Yeah so you Apparently Al The the joke would have been a hit With this audience Right

Well it's a good thing And it would have been funny Even at WFRBFRB Who did you target You targeted who on this? Well, I was speaking to a young, everybody in the room was under 30. They were all young people and they're conservative environmentalists. In other words, they believe in trying to take care of the environment, but through sensible conservative means, not this crazy stuff that the lives are putting out.

So that's who I was speaking to. But I wasn't sure if I just didn't connect with them or because I was there to talk about something else. You know, it was just one of those random observation things. I didn't like the reference. to something that would deem, I would, I would deem crude language. That was, well, and I wouldn't have said that at a church setting, but I, but I was in a setting with, I thought, you saying that makes me even more uncomfortable. You wouldn't, like, would you say it if Jesus was sitting across? I would. I would. I told you,

it wasn't, I wasn't referring to a crude term. I was talking about what my granny always called Bull Shavaki. That's what she said. When I say, BS, that's what I'm talking. I don't know what you're thinking. That's true. But I always say bullshit aboutis. Well, the good thing about the human race is you can always find people to validate whatever you think. The good thing is I had no idea other than there were things. You and I had not talked about that, so I had no idea they'd like it.

No, you didn't know. But I read it. So it could have been Jason's right. That's terrible. There's a cult born every day. There is. Well, thank you. Thank you, Unashamed Nation.

for making me feel better because I didn't tell that joke in my, actually I didn't go down the sarcasm trail I was going to do in my sermon because Paul was sarcastic in St. Corinthians 10. And I love that because I'm sarcastic. I love sarcastic humor. And he was very sarcastic about the people that were, you know, cast in dispersion on it. And I like that.

You know, I liked that he wrote it that way. So I was going to go down that road. But then I got to preaching and it just never went there. Well, you know, so. It's a good day for you. You got some validation. It is. It's nice to be vindicated.

It really is. It does feel bad. Vindicated, but. He was vindicated. He was validated. He was validated. He was a small group of people. And dad laughed.

He has a natural reaction. You laughed when I said that. I mean, here's my part. It was a joke. That's right. If you have a million people listening to something and seven of them say, yeah, that was great. What does that really say it? But no, but, if it had been bad, somebody would have sung out that, you know,

You got to look at the percentages. It's the percentages. It's a sample size. So if the percentage was overwhelmingly supportive in the comment section, then you have to think, extrapolate that out. But you're now speaking like a politician now. But Zach is a politician. No, I'm a failed politician. Zach actually ran for office.

Zach ran for public office. Which is funny that I'm, someone said I'm a closet liberal. That actually is funny. That was the joke. But somewhere, I don't have it at the tip of my tongue, but Jesus referred to some people as being just a pile of dung. That was close to what you were saying. Yeah, I was trying to think of that verse, too.

It's very close to what you said. He used the term dung, and he used the term shavaki. Yep. Jesus said that in the New Testament? Yep. What is that? It's in one of the Gospels. You're the light of the earth.

Bruce Limbaugh, who's left this world. He used to say BS was Barbara Streisand, which I thought was pretty funny, too. Always go to where there is a dead carcass. They're the vultures together. Same principle. Yeah, I always say about the Bill Smith line. Remember when Bill Smith used to say, when he talked about arguing about the scriptures, he said, never get into a puking contest with a buzzard.

And, you know, he was right about that. That sometimes you don't want to waste your time on certain things. So I'm actually looking here. There's, I have 26 verses about dung in the Bible. So, Phil, it's correct. I'm looking to the old, there's quite a bit in the Old Testament about Dung. Well, I'd rather get to the goodness. Yeah, I'm ready to.

Let's do a podcast about Dung. You want to do that, Jay? No. Okay. Well, then since we're not going to do that, let's go back to Hebrews. Hebrews chapter 9 is where we left off the last time. And Zach, we had introduced a thought at the end of the last podcast that I thought was really interesting. It's going to take us into verse 6 because we read the first five verses.

And that is the, he's kind of laying out the where, the how, the why, and you mentioned the who, which is the most important thing. And so this next one is sort of the how they did it in verse 6. He says, when everything had been arranged like this, and he had described, the layout before you got the, you know, the arch the covenant, the gold jar of manna, you got Aaron's staff. All these things are situated a certain way. And then you've got these two chambers.

And everything had been arranged like this, the priest entered regularly into the outer room to carry on their ministry. So this is just what we, the normal every day, they had to be from Levi, but they weren't the high priest. They were just the priest that did the daily ministry. But only the high priest, verse seven, entered the inner. room. That's the Most Holy of Holy of Holies. And that only once a year, and never without blood, which is an interesting concept, which he offered for himself and for the sins the people

had committed in ignorance. The Holy Spirit was showing by this that the way into the most holy place had not yet been disclosed as long as the first tabernacle was still standing. That's the interesting thought. This is an illicit. illustration for the present time indicating that the gifts and sacrifices being offered were not able to clear the conscience of the worshipper. And there was the weakness of it. That was it. They are only a matter of food and drink and various ceremonial washings, external regulations

applying until the time of a new order. But he's careful to say the shedding of blood, this has to be known. Right. But he's going to finally end. with the blood of animals and all this, you know, but the only way you could get into that inner room is through the blood of Jesus. Right. Blood of somebody. Blood of something. Yeah. And it's interesting, Dad, because the concept really, although you read about sacrifices, even way back in Genesis, you know, being done.

Sort of a gruesome thought. It is. And you don't even read about it. He never went back in there without blood, the blood of animals and all to show you, blood is the only way in. Well, it's been around since the beginning of time since mankind. But, you know, the real one, the symbol one is the one at the Passover, which was during the 10 plagues. And the last one was the angel of death coming over. And every firstborn in Egypt was going to die that night. And the only thing that would save you is if you had blood of a perfect, you know, spotless lamb. The blood on the door in.

On the door. We need to ask Larry Bowles this when he comes and visits. Yeah, he's going to be on the next podcast. Because even when Adam and Eve sin, you know, the next thing you know, they had animal skins on, you're like, hmm. Yeah, it's a good point. So, I mean. And up until that point. I mean, it doesn't really make a point of it, but they send, and the next thing you know, we got, they're wearing animal skins.

Waring garments. Those animals, I think everybody was happy up until that point, or am I wrong? Yeah, I mean, that, that's actually a key point. when you go back to Genesis 1 through 3 that yeah when there was sin then there was sacrifice and death and that the animal skin was a foreshadowing of of a new covering that we'll get in Jesus right and that there's a shedding of blood and which provides new covering but um well even and also zach on top of that even even the flood even the death of most of humanity also included the death of most animals and it wasn't you know what even their fault sin

sin requires a gruesome experience exactly something or somebody is exactly right and when it shows up jace mentioned yeah jace mentioned it a few weeks ago or a few i don't know when he said this a couple podcasts ago about the idea that there is this thing called wrath right there is the and i know sometimes the church wants to get away from that because it's not a popular topic but um but i mean god there is there is wrath of god there has to be atonement and atonement can only come through blood and through sacrifice um but it is interesting but you know why is that because you can't that's why when people say well you know we just all should all religions should should get along and you know who's to say what's right and what we no longer

have a relationship that nobody's then there's a god that's either that you don't believe in there's no God or there's a God who's not going to hold you accountable. There has to be a standard. Plus the original. And when you have a standard, you have, you have victory and you have loss. You have wrath and you have, you know, forgiveness. I mean, the groundwork of the bloodletting comes quickly. I mean, I'm in just Genesis 3 here.

In other words, I will put enmity between you. He's talking to Satan before the blood started flowing. But now the blood has started flowing. I will put enmity between you and the woman between your offspring of hers. He will crush your head. And you, and here's the blood part, will strike his heel. So there will be bloodshed. You see what I'm saying?

From the original promise, beginning of the promise, from there all the way to Jesus in the book of Hebrews, discussing it all. In other words, if you all look carefully, in other words, it seems to follow a thought from Ephesians. Listen to this one. This right here a while ago,

it just stood out before we got into this in the book of Hebrews. In other words, let's see right here. Yeah, yeah, right here. Look at, J.S. you were talking about that text a while ago. For this reason, over in Genesis 915, he begins to wrap this all up.

Christ is a mediator of a new covenant and those who are called that those who are called may receive the promised eternal inheritance. That promise there, if you turn over to Ephesians, Ephesians 3,

starting in verse 15 and 16, the promises were spoken to Abraham. You get down to verse 17, thus do away with the covenant previously established by God, thus do away with the promise. And then you get down, that's two. And three, it says, three, 19. It was added because, you know, what was the purpose of the law?

Because the transgression, until the seed to whom the promise referred had come, that's three times. That's Galatians three, I think, said Ephesian. Yeah, I mean Galatians, Galatians three, excuse me. Galatians three. then is the law therefore opposed to the promises of God? Absolutely not. If a law had been given that can impart life,

then righteousness would certainly have come by the law. But the scripture declared that the whole world is a prisoner of sin going back to that Genesis 3. So there was what was promised, well, that's one, two, three, four, five times right there that that's mentioned. So when you look at it, you say, boy, what a what a waiter and it was all surrounding what the Hebrew writer's talking about it

the promise is the key here it is it couldn't have happened until the blood flowed well that's why hang up panel let's take a break today well getting back to Zach's point though so it's leading since I want to focus on the good news by the way jade that that Hebrew 914 is the one you you said well I'm fixed to read it let me read it the blood of Christ is right in the middle of it let me read it was starting verse 11 but I I want to read Hebrews 2, too, to Zach's point about the wrath of God, because it says, for if the message spoken by angels was binding, so we're going back to the law, Mount Sinai, and every violation and disobedience received its just, just punishment.

Wasn't that God wanted to punish people. He is a God of love, but he's also just. Yeah. It says, it's fair, he never lies. And it says, how shall we escape if we ignore? such a great salvation. So just think about that phrase. How shall we escape if we ignore. So if you ignore Jesus,

I don't know what's going to happen, but it's not going to be good. Not good. It's not good. So then when you read 914, because you say, oh, God, he's mean and he wants to judge people because, I mean, how shall we escape?

That's scary. And we talked about, I think, on the bonus section of one of the podcasts, about how these priests that were going here once a year, it was more about survival than anything. And we talked about the legends that had been written that they had a rope tied to their foot.

And fear. And bells on their head, because if the bells stopped ringing, they thought, oh, did something wrong. God struck him. And then pull him out. And he didn't go in there. He's going to move from here, that wall. But I mean, it was a.

So it's like it was a survival faith, you know, focused on the rest. But then you read 914 after all this. I know I'm skipping ahead, but I like the same phrase. He says, how much more, of course, he had already said in chapter two, how should we escape if we ignore such a salvation? Well, look what he says here. How much more then will the blood of Christ, who through the eternal spirit, offered himself unblemished to God, cleanse our consciences from acts that lead to death so that we may serve the living God? Well, if that's not good news, I don't know what it is.

If you don't realize God is for you, I mean, when that little. phrase there that says that Jesus offered himself. When you think about what Jesus did with just the equivalent to solitary confinement, I mean, he's in heaven with God,

becomes a person pretty much solitary confinement. He comes down here and even the people, his closest followers, abandoned him at one point. I mean, there's a reason they outlawed solitary confinement here on the earth in prisons because they're like, well, it mentally

he breaks them down. It's like the worst isolation that you could possibly experience. And that's what Jesus does to bring us back to God because he loves us. But he had just said in chapter two, there's punishment if you ignore this. And the shedding of blood is the centerpiece of it. And the only thing that will make you perfect by the time you get to chapter 10 in Hebrews, the same sacrifices repeated endlessly year after year with the animal. They couldn't make perfect those who draw near to worship.

Perfection comes through the shedding of the blood of God on earth. And through the work of the eternal spirit, I mean, just threw that in there. We just think about what that does to you. As we also mentioned... Go ahead. I was going to say, think about the in Colossians. Let me pull this up real quick. Colossians 121, it says we were once alienated from God and we were hostile.

We were enemies in our minds because of our evil behavior in our conscience. And so it's interesting here when he talks about the atonement. It's not simply the atonement. It's not a one-way atonement, meaning that of course the wrath of God is being satisfied. But what also is happening is that our guilty conscience is being cleansed. And so when you go to like Peter's account and when he talks about baptism, what does he say? It's not the water. It's not the removal of dirt from the flesh.

But what is it? It's a pledge of a good conscience towards God that saves you by the resurrection. So this idea that our conscience, we all had that, that Roman, we've mentioned a few weeks ago, Romans chapter one, that our conscience bears witness. And so you got this thing in you that's in your inner self that's pointing at yourself that's saying you're guilty. and this old system had no way of cleaning that up. And I'm going to make you through the blood of Jesus, not only will I remove your sin, I'm making you perfect, perfect, like him.

Well, that's why I made on the last podcast, or two podcasts ago. I said, what's the number one question, the evil one asked you? He says, you're not worth anything. You're terrible. You're not good enough. But in actuality, that's what the law did.

That's what this reminded you of. I mean, we should say, yeah, that's why Jesus is so spectacular. And look, the clear conscience thing comes down to every thought. I made the point in my sermon lesson in 2nd, I made the point in my sermon last Sunday. In 2 Corinthians 10, remember when Paul was talking about the weapons they use, he said, we take captive every thought and submit it to Christ, which is such a powerful thing.

We think about it in your own mind. And then I asked the question to the audience. I said, how does an 18-year-old kid? because he's a man, but he's 18 years old, go into a school and start killing a bunch of kids, just shooting them to death. How does that happen? You know how it happened?

Because he started thinking about doing it, and he thought more about it, and as he descended into what finally happened, he took action. That's what happens when you, here's the line I use. If you don't take captive your thoughts, your thoughts will take you captive. And that's what we see,

and that's what evil does. It captivates people, and the further they descend into it, the worse actions result. That's why it starts in our mind, or the biblical heart. It starts there. The exact opposite is the fall of the, it's the fall of, or the presentation of how lying, it starts with lies, and it ends up with Satan himself, a murder, the murderer from the beginning, beginning. That's right. What it leads to. That's why that's why blood is a result of the other way as well. If you don't have the blood of Jesus as the sacrifice and clearer of conscience, what you have is the

bloodshed of people. And it always gets down the same thing. Salvation with the blood of Jesus and murders and mayhem with the evil one. The evil one. What are you going to say that? Because a guilty conscience in terms of like when you're in a relationship, if you think about you're in a relationship, and you violated the person in that relationship, maybe through you're talking about them, maybe it's adultery or whatever. And we've all participated in some form of this. And when your conscience is guilty,

then it's hard for you to be in an intimate relationship and be connected to that person. And so I think what this is kind of getting to is this first eight signifies it. And you mentioned that when you read it, Al, you said, that's an interesting thought. And he says, the Holy Spirit is signifying this, that the way into the holy place has not yet been to slows while the outer tabernacle is still standing,

which is a symbol for the present time. So think about what was the holy place, the holy of holies, in the tabernacle. That was the place where God's presence was. And without Jesus. And never without blood, that verse 7 right before 8, never without blood. You don't get in there without blood. But even truthfully, you didn't get in there even with blood of goats and bulls. I mean, the only one that could go in there was who?

High priest. High priest. So you can't. So it's kind of this futility argument, this futility of thinking. Like, if you want to be in the presence of God, it's like, well, that's not how this system works. You go in vicariously through the high priest, but you don't really get to ever have direct access to God. I mean, that's not going to happen because why? Well, because the blood that's cleaning you is not, it's just not that powerful.

I mean, it's goats and bulls. We need a more powerful cleaner. And the only thing that's powerful enough to clean you would be the blood of like a God. But how is that possible? And that's the case, I think, that's being made through Hebrews here going to that verse that Jace read. I mean, he keeps talking about blood. And it says in verse 11, but when Christ appeared as a high priest, now you got a new high priest. Christ, of the good things to come, he entered through the greater and more perfect tabernacle.

So we got a new tabernacle, got a new priest and a new tabernacle, not made with hands. That is to say, not of this creation, and not through the blood of goats and castle. Thank God, because that was never going to do it. But how did he do it? Through his own blood, he entered a place once for all. So it wasn't continual or I think your translation said regular. It wasn't a regular thing. It was a once for all.

Having obtained, which is past tense, so it's already finished, eternal redemption. You hear the language here. For if the blood of goats and bulls and the ashes of a heifer sprinkled those who have been defiled, sanctifying for the cleansing of the flesh, to Jason's point, how much more were the blood of Christ? How much more with the blood of God, who through the eternal spirit, offered himself, without blemish to clean your conscience from the dead works to serve the living God. That's the thing.

Christ's supremacy and preeminence is what gets you in the door into the Holy of Holies and the presence of God. Good point. That's a great point. Let's take another break. No, and that is in essence, it crystallizes everything. He's going to go more deeper into it as we keep going. But that's it in a nutshell. I mean, that really speaks to them.

What's interesting is, is he keeps. saying to this group of people. Now, this is, you're going to understand this better. You know, he keeps, he keeps hinting to what's coming because they're still not quite getting it until that temple's gone. A lot of them really just didn't, it wasn't hitting home for him, I guess. I mean, it seems to be the kind of the tone of the whole book. They were still wanting to hold on to these rituals. But he kept telling them, the rituals can't help you anymore. I mean, the high priest won't work anymore. There's this, you know, there's, he's been replaced to Zach's point. And I like the idea, too, that it can't be manmade.

It can't be by our construction. The only way of the presence of God is about what he does and who he is. So I think that's a powerful way to live there. Well, the question that I think is being asked here is how do we enter the holy place? How do we get there? And that's the point that he's getting up to. So when you get, I know I'm skipping ahead here, but when you get to Hebrews 10, 19, Listen, what he says, therefore, brethren, what does that mean?

Well, because of everything I just told you, brethren, since we have confidence to enter the holy place by the blood of Jesus. Yep. That's the deal. That's how, this is, the whole thing is, like this whole argument's moving towards how in the world do we, to really get into the presence of God? I mean, that's what everybody's longing for. Which is the opposite of that scared you're going to be struck down. I mean, he's given us confidence to stand before him. Right.

I mean, that first John 4 says that, you know, when we have confidence standing before God because in this world we are like him. Well, where did that come from? He set that into motion when he came down and gave his life, shed his blood. Now our conscience can be cleansed and we can receive the Holy Spirit because then it gets into his resurrection. but it also we were actually becoming like him through the spirit of God that's in us. Right.

And the reason, and you think about that, Joe, what if you were that high priest? You were going in there that once a year, it would be frightening. You know why? Because you had your own sin and conscience issues. I mean, you had to have something to cover you. The only one that could do it, to Zach's point, is a perfect man who also was God. that his sacrifice would be big enough. I mean,

that's why when people call me a hypocrite, I'm like, fair, fair enough. Yeah, can't argue that. That's true. But most people like, don't call me a hypocrite. Oh, well, how dare you? I'm like, fair enough. I have sins.

I love your question that you said, are there not the question, but what was the thing you said to Satan? What does he ask you? I mean, he always says you're not good enough. Who you think you are? you're not yeah yeah you'll never be good enough because that that's what the law says it's like a partial truth it is it is true it doesn't yeah yeah he doesn't genesis right right you know uh god didn't want you to

eat the part of what he said was true if you eat this fruit your eyes will be open you'll know good from evil well that part was true the part that he didn't tell you was it's you don't want that you know i mean you never you can't go back you never need to question the blood of jesus god and had to be that chapter 6, 9 through the 16, start with 16 aisle, and it goes to the end. And every sentence is about the blood. I mean, every sentence, I mean, it's about the blood, the blood, the blood, the blood, the blood, the blood. Nearly everything had to be cleansed without blood. Without blood, without the shedding of blood, there is no forgiveness of sin, and just on and on.

Then it was necessary then, and he talks about Jesus again, and the blood. But if you ever take lightly the first part of the gospel, which is the death of Jesus on the cross, he shed his blood. We somehow we get past that too quickly without stopping there and saying, let me just take it. Like you, when you stabbed yourself, you realized in that moment, I don't need to do that anymore. Because of the blood. Blood is precious. Yeah. Well, I think about it.

But, you know, that's one reason why we take or participate in the Lord's Supper every week in Jesus. What did he say? That's what we should be thinking about. As often as you get together, do this in remembrance of me. So I think the reason why is because he wants us to keep at the forefront of our memory, the blood. That's a big deal. Because without the blood, and that blood continues to clean the sober and over. It's not a one-time deal.

So outside. Siders, they just skip over that like it's, like it didn't. It makes people feel uncomfortable, though, you know. But I mean, but I was, I was being. Remember when they saw him, said, remember me when they first, they said, look, he's for, what's the word when you start eating flesh, cannibalism. Yeah. Well, John Six. He's some kind of cannibal here.

What, what are we got going on? To this day, they're still debating. Bill, when people are in the religious world and they get to John Six, they just move on. Oh, yeah. They're like, what do you eat my flesh. Drink my blood. It's like a weird Hollywood movie that went wrong. That's right.

You know, he's cannibalistic. But that's why I was saying, in theory, you don't want to do things that causes pain and the loss of blood. I mean, like you stabbing yourself. I mean, when you realize, okay, I don't want to do that. But in a way, when Jesus died, and I love this phrase that he introduced. And in a little small way while you're there, that pocket knife in my heel, with the shedding of the shedding of, blood comes pain. Well, right.

So we were bought. Well, I know, Jesus experienced pain for us. That's what I was going to read. Jesus is 915. He's the Christ as the measure of a new covenant that those who are called may receive the promised eternal inheritance. Now that he has died as a ransom to set them free from the sins committed under the first covenant.

I mean, then he uses something that you would think of in kidnapping here. here. We've been hijacked and kidnapped. Well, you're talking about us. And he's the ransom by the shedding of his blood. And sin has held us hostage. Let's take another break. That's why you can stand up, you know, when the evil one says, yeah, you're not good enough. And you're like, yeah, I should have figured that out by the law. The law should have taught you that. The evil one doesn't have to remind you of that. And the world, they don't feel good enough either. So what do they say? They say, well, you just need to go find a mirror and say, I'm good enough. I'm smart enough. And people like me.

Whether you believe it or not, but it's like you've got to find that deep down in yourself. Everybody wants that identity. But here we are saying, you know what? God made me. He made me and gave me the right to be a child of his. I mean, he gave me. He loves us. He loves it.

It's a gift. Yeah, it's a gift that he gave me. And what's different than any other relationship on the planet is when your son or your daughter messes up, what do you do? You don't burn a bridge. you get a bridge to somehow another tell them, look, I love you no matter what you do. Well, that's what God did on the cross for us.

We do the same thing with our kids. That would really be a, that would really curtail these young people committing suicide at the rate of their committing suicide. You're like, they get to the point out where they say, I'm not worth it. I'm not worth anything. That's why when we get to Hebrews 12, look, when we get to Hebrews 12, which is uncomfortable for people to read, because it's, It's about discipline.

A father, discipline, and his sons, you're like, well, why is he doing that? Because these people came to Jesus, and then they said, this is too hard. There's too much pain. We want to just go back to what we're doing, which was way worse from a confidence level. But it just, when you go public for Jesus, it's just a tough life. It's a hard. You're not going to be patted on the back very often. I mean, there's people.

But you'll always be able to say or never say, nobody loves me. You say wrong. Well, right. But I'm saying, Jay's, I think 2,000 years earlier before the book of Hebrews is written, you had people wanting to go back to Egypt. You know why? Because it was too hard. It's too hard.

What are we going to do out here? He proved his love for us on a cross. But then he also, through the spirit, he's with us, even though it looks bleak on a normal day-to-day basis because this is through faith and life can be difficult inside of jesus or outside it's just going to be difficult yep go ahead zan yeah i was just thinking like you know there's a therapeutic approach called narrative therapy where a therapist facilitates a new narrative that a couple can come up with that they can live with to help save their relationship whatever and i and i've always like i hated that because it's like it's not based in truth and i don't think the answer is to hear what what the devil's

accusing us of and saying we're not called to create a new narrative that says that we're really awesome because we know we're not in the back of our mind. I think what's interesting about the devil is the way he operates is he tells you that partial truth that as we mentioned earlier. But the gospel, here's the thing. It's looking at our situation and because the Hebrew writers making the same case that the devil would in some regard that he's saying, you're not good. The big difference is is there's a three-letter word after he says that, but. And then Then he gets to Jesus and the supremacy and the sufficiency of Jesus. So our confidence is actually very hopeful because if we ever to really try to put confidence in ourself and our own moral ability or compass or achievement, at end of the day, I mean, I don't care how good you are.

Man, you know. You know what's in your heart. Your conscience is never going to really be clean. And you're just going to be living a very fragmented life that's not really being honest. And I think what being offered here through blood, through the blood of Jesus, is the ability to actually really be clean. So when the devil accuses and says you're not that good, we can agree with him and say, I agree. And then what we do is we point to Jesus. He said, but he is.

And that's why we have confidence, you know. I love it. My assistant on her when she will be in these three-way emails or whatever, but she always signs her name. It's like, I'm a nobody. Jesus made me somebody. I love it because we're dealing with people in the world too. I wonder what they think about that when they read it because I notice it every time down at the bottom line, but she's right.

Well, I want to get to this 923 because I think can we get there? Yeah, well, let me read it and then you go. Because Zach asked a really good question. All right, let me read it down to that. Where's the door to heaven? So in the case of a will, verse 16, it is necessary to prove the death the one who made it because a will is enforced only when someone has died. It never takes effect while the one who made it is living.

So he was always talking about Jesus. This is why even the first covenant was not put into effect without blood. That's his point. When Moses had proclaimed every commandment of the law to all the people, X is 24, he took the blood of calves together with water, scarlet wool, branches of hyssop, and sprinkled the scroll and the people. And he said, this is the blood of the covenant, which God has commanded you to keep.

In the same way, he sprinkled with the blood, both the tabernacle and everything used in its ceremonies. Of course, we now know this is going to save them. In fact, the law requires nearly everything be cleansed with blood, and without the shedding of blood, there is no forgiveness. It was necessary, 23, then, for the copies of the heavenly things to be purified with these sacrifices. But the heavenly things themselves with better sacrifices than these. How would that happen? Jesus, 24. For Christ did not enter a man-made sanctuary that was only a copy of the true one.

He entered heaven itself now to appear for us in God's presence. So that's the lead up for it. Let's take a break. Then you go. Well, the first, before I get to my point, because I do have a deep water point I want to get into. But I did want to just say about this will part, because we all, we're familiar with this. When someone leaves their last. Will and Testament.

Will and Testament. In this case, it's like, it's pretty tricky. I feel like God tiptoed here to make all this work, but it did. Because he says it's necessary to prove the death of the one who made in the case of a will because a will was enforced only when somebody has died. So he died in a public historical way. You can even read about Jesus dying outside of the Bible. Josephus, it was a Jewish historian.

Which is a key point. Because my point is, you can't have a crime without a body. I mean, like, you know, when they say it's hard to convict someone of murder when there's no body. Right. So if they would have tried to prove it that way, it'd have been like, hmm, well, where's the body? Right. And so I've always kind of thought in my simplistic mind that he did it this way. so he had to figure out how to have a public death.

So it was just, it was, so you can establish that there's a new will. Right, new covenant. But Jesus didn't commit a crime. Nope. He was a sacrificial, innocent death. And he also didn't stay dead. Well, he didn't stay dead. Because when he says this, it says a will is enforced only when someone has died.

Well, he didn't die long. And in fact, he wasn't. And he just, because it said it was impossible for death. Like y'all, you get my inheritance after I died and I'm gone. And you look up out there about two weeks later. And there you are. I come walking up out there. I said, hey, do we need to give that back?

You know what's crazy is people do that. They try to pull that off. People will fake their death. Yeah. Try to get the insurance. Yeah. And they never did die. You know, leave a pinky toe in the water at the plane crash site.

They'll cut their toe off and said, no, the only thing left is a pinky toe. He's dead. Give him the money. Give his family the money. Then two weeks later, he comes walking up with a limp. But I'm just saying that's the way God pulled this off. I mean, there's something in there about that. that's kind of interesting and awesome in that he's dealing with this having a new covenant

and a new way to him, which is through his son, but also being God in that he's indestructible. That's why I go back to that one verse, you know, Hebrew 7, where it just cut to the chase. He's the ultimate high priest because he's indestructible. Now let's talk about the rest of the stuff he did as well. But, I mean, at the bottom line is that that is a powerful moment. Well, because it proved his true humanity. That was the point. For us to be able to relate to him, we had to know that he would go through that.

Another point, I think, is important is that he chose to come here at a time when the people that were controlling the known world had a way of execution that was probably the bloodiest that's ever been. Oh, yeah. It was brutal. But he chose to come and do a public. death under those circumstances. Now, I want to bring up some deep water. Can I do this? You got six minutes to do it.

I'm going to give you some deep water. So I'm doing a little Greek study of what we're reading here. Everywhere the word copy is used in the book of Hebrews, but one just means a pattern or a shadow, what we all think. And then all of a sudden, in verse 24, chapter 9, he uses a different word. That's only used one other place in the Bible. So, do I have your attention? So 924 watch. It says, for Christ, now he says copies in 23, it's a different word.

In 23, it says it was then necessary then for the copies of the heavenly things. All these things that were just patterned, that was foreshadowing. So he gets to 24 and he says, for Christ did not enter it. Now, listen to this. A man-made sanctuary that was only a copy of the true one. Well, he's a different word here. well the word means like any type like like the opposite but but corresponds to it so i was like why would he use that that phrase right there so i looked up the only other place where it's used

and you're not going to believe what word it is it's in first peter three 21 now off the top of your head you know what that is yeah so this word symbolizes them yeah symbolized in the niv and the other version it says corresponding they put it at the it's actually the first word it should be

symbolizing but or corresponding so when you read 321 then I'm going to make a point and then y'all can talk about it so he says he's doing this illustration about you know he goes through the gospel peter reminds you the gospel in 18

for christ died for sins once for all the unrighteous, unrighteous, unrighteous, to bring you to God, which is basically what we're discussing in Hebrews, right? He was put to death in the body, but made alive by the Spirit. We just talked about that. And then he has this moment where he preached to the spirits in prison who disobeyed long ago. That's why I said he really wasn't dead. He just didn't have his body back yet.

When God waited patiently in the days of Noah while the ark was being built, in it only a few people ate and all were saved through water. and this water symbolizes baptism so it's the same word that copy is symbolizes so it's an antitepe that corresponds to something else well when you go back to hebrews nine and see what was the what was the antite corresponding to it says christ did not enter a man-made sanctuary that was a copy that was only a copy of the true one. He entered heaven itself. So when you go to, back to 1st Peter 3,

it says this water copies baptism, so it's an antitepe, so it's water in baptism. It's the water, it's the physical water, but it's an antitepe that corresponds to what? well, this, whatever's happening in the water, the, the, whatever the, the, the consequences are. So you see where, where it's going with this. It's like, Jesus, he's like, this is not about this earthly thing. And in, in the case of First Peter 3, it's not, it's not about the water.

Just, you know, he was using that from knowing the art. I mean, he picked out the most famous act of water the earth has ever known. There was a flood where the whole thing was destroyed. Yeah, and he's like, this water is a copy to baptism, but he wasn't saying it was necessarily about the water. What was it about? It was not the removal of dirt from the body, but the pledge of a good conscience toward God. It saves you by the resurrection of Jesus Christ. And then back to Hebrews 9, it says in 24, he entered heaven itself now to appear for us in God's presence. I just thought it. was interesting when he used that word to try to share this earthly to the heavenly in both cases that don't get hung up and what do people do they get hung up on the physical act of baptism they get hung up on the physical act and they're missing the whole point which both in both cases was what jesus made available to us which was heaven itself no i think that's i think that's good

I think it's a good way to drive home the point because I think the key there is that, and Zach mentioned this earlier, the idea was that the presence of God was in the most holy place, but really that was never his permanent presence. Yeah. His permanent presence is heaven. It's outside of this earth. I mean, he made this, and he's certainly everywhere. But the idea is to be with him is the ultimate.

So I think your arch type works perfect. I brought it up because most people say baptism is a symbol. and when in actuality, if you look at it, it said water was the symbol of baptism. And his point was it was a copy, an antotype to something greater. So it's like they made one little leap there and all of a sudden made it out something to be not exactly what his point was. Yeah, that's a great point. Especially when you get to First Peter, which I brought this up earlier, not knowing

you were going to go there. I brought up First Peter to correlate it to Hebrews 914 when it talked about being cleansed from the conscience. Yeah. Your conscience is clean. The Greek led me there. There's only two places where that antipus, or however you pronounce it, is mentioned. And I just thought that was ironic. Well, listen to refer back to this idea of getting a clean conscience through the blood of Jesus.

That's exactly what he's getting at in First Peter. three as well when he corresponds to the waters of Noah to baptism that he says which now saves you also baptism but it's not the removal of dirt from the flesh what is it it's the pledge of a good conscience towards God that saved you by the resurrection the reason why you can pledge a good conscience towards God is because of the resurrection of a of Jesus whose blood was splattered all over the place for us. That's the deal. So it's all so that we can end the Holy of Holies.

So did y'all get my joke? I said I was going to take it. I was going to take it to the deep water. Deepest water ever was when Noah. See, that's funny. I think that's funny. Thank you. I did that whole thing to get around Al telling this joke to have a joke embedded

into something really deep. Yeah, Jason, you're trying too hard. So make sure you leave a comment. We want to marry with Jason. Put on a shame nation, if my 20-minute interlude of deep theology with a weave of a joke was better than the doctor joke. So who did it? Who did it better? Who did it better?

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