Unashamed with the Robertson Family - Ep 519 | Phil Delivers the Most Unusual Sermon & Jase Requests a Laughable Confession

Episode Date: July 27, 2022

Al gets a text about something unexpected in Phil's recent sermon, and he decides to ask Phil about it in the studio. Phil's buddy refuses to give Phil his Italian meatball recipe, and Jase has a hilarious request of all good cooks! Phil recaps his recent self-inflicted injury, and Al introduces the first "Unashamed" contributor! Watch the Unashamed overtime show, only on BlazeTV: https://BlazeTV.com/Unashamed - Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

I am unashamed. What about you? So welcome to Unashamed. I'm coming from the Southern Lair, Larry Bowles. That's what I call my little place down here in Alabama. And it's kind of ironic because you're in town. Larry Bowles is in the house. And just to let our podcast audience know, Larry, you are the first podcast contributor. That's your title that I'm giving you. You were a podcast contributor.

Is there going to be like a new tag or bag or get you a hat or something? Unashamed podcast contribute. Yeah. Maybe that's good. I think it's an honor. You came and we just said come back. All the other guests, we said we appreciate it. It's great.

Everybody else is usually trying to run me off. You know what I mean? And you guys just keep hanging out. I think that's why you found out there. That's kind of the way we are. The old White Earp, when White Earp decided to leave town after the gunfight, that old guy, he said, well, you know, you know, old White Up said, we leaving. And that old guy said, well, bye. Bye.

That's kind of like bold. It wasn't a bow. He did such a good job. We wanted him back. So Larry, we've expanded our partnership with Larry. And so he's preaching for us periodically. the church. And so when he's in town, we have now combined that he would do a couple of podcasts with us. So welcome, Larry, as an official podcast contributor, our only one so far. Thank you.

My goodness. So, and we've talked about it before. If you're new to the podcast, Larry is a tremendous guy. And he and his wife, Kathy, do great work over in Athens. And Jason and Missy have visited their work. And it's tremendous. So we're excited to have my part of it. So Jay, So Saturday night, I'm down here in Alabama, and I'm watching the Dodger game, but I flipped over to Fox just to see what my old pal Lawrence Jones, he has a show called Cross Country. And I like him, he's like, because he's like a really good, solid conservative guy, but he's just got an interesting take on the news. So he's one of my favorite people. And then I look up and here's Jason Jep on his show. And I had no idea.

He came to Monroe. Well, you know what's funny is you sent me a text saying, oh, I didn't know y'all got, y'all were, y'all are fixed to be on the Lawrence Jones show. And I thought, because I had forgotten about it, because you filmed these things before. So I was like, oh, so I turned it on. Yeah, I thought it was pretty good. I thought it was funny. I mean, I thought you had some good lines in there. And he seemed like he was enjoying it.

So he, the setup, if you didn't see it in the audience, he's, he's, he's metal. detecting with Jace and Murray and Jep and kind of cross promoting the show because he has the show, I think, as well on Fox Nation. So that was kind of the setup. But how, I mean, how was he in person? Was it fun? Yeah. I mean, they showed up.

When we did those promos for the Duck Family Treasure Show in New York, he was going to be a guest on some other show. And we're, you know, when he walked into the green room, that's not green. He saw us. Have you ever been in a green room that was green? I did make that enough. Really? I actually have.

I actually have. Well, yeah. Okay. Well, this one wasn't. Well, here's what's funny. When we were in the non-green room, the weather lady, what's the weather woman's name on Fox? I love this woman. She's all.

She's real personable and was just, we were all talked. So I'm with all these Fox. I guess contributors since that's our word for the day or maybe they just worked here. I don't know. I did mention, I was like, there's nothing green in here. And they were all looking like, you know, you're right. I said, maybe I can be here and just head up the common sense department. But Lawrence walked in and he's like, what are y'all doing here?

And so I was telling him about the show and he's like, well, will you be on my show? And I was like, sure. So he showed up a couple weeks later down here. He's like, well, I'm here. I was like, what are you doing down here? He's like, well, you told me you would be on my show and he goes across the country. So let me tell you how set up that show was. We go out to our bed and breakfast place and the producers get out when I pulled up

because I said, we're going to have to meet early because it's 100 degrees here. You've noticed. And we were quite swampy just in a couple of hours. So the producers, they got out, it's like, well, what are we going to? going to do i was like well we're going to go treasure hunting i mean we'll teach you how and so it was kind of like our show we just walked out there and started meandering around and jep happened to find this really cool old piece of jewelry from probably 150 years ago had a little gold ring on it and we had fun but here's here's what's interesting all he could talk about because after we filmed the show we went back and we

were going to cook shrimp but he said he was allergic to shrimp he said he could I only eat, I think it was five without having some crazy reaction. I was like, well, how did you get to that number? That's what I was off. Well, he said, I love them so much. Okay, that's four. Yeah, he said, when I get to five, you know, I have to either call the doctor, go the bathroom, whatever.

I said, well, that won't work. So Missy cooked meatloaf and mashed potatoes. And so when we brought it out, he was like, is that bacon on top of there? Oh. Like, oh, yeah. Can you eat bacon? Oh, he can eat bacon. So what I'm saying is, though, all day before the show aired,

they had him on different shows promoting the show that he was going to do. And look, the only thing he wanted to talk about was that meatloaf with the bacon on top of. Over and over and over again, I was like, babe, I think he really, you stop the presses with that. So when it all gets down to it, it's all about the meatloaf and the mashed potatoes, I mean, really. But it's mostly about the bacon. It's about the bacon. I mean, Mom is right.

Whenever you start cooking, if you're going to bake, you start with butter. And if you're going to cook anything else, start with some bacon. That's right. But it was fantastic. I think we hit him all. We hit it off. I can attest to Missy's meatloaf because she uses Mom's original recipe. And, of course, the thing about it.

What is that recipe? I mean, let's give our viewer, do you know that off the top of your head? What is it? I mean, what's the recipe for the meat? Have you ever cooked that? Has that probably been one ever cooked. That was a woman's thing there.

Ms. Kaye honed it down through the years, you know, you'd take it the first baths you cook, you know, you throw that to the dogs and see if they'll eat it. If they'll eat it, you say, well, we're getting somewhere. But you have to be, you know, aware of what's being to cook. As time has passed, you've become more kind and gentler. It's a kinder and gentler feel. I'm looking at now on the medication she's taking it off.

I don't take pharmaceuticals, but she does. Well, we've digressed into this. And I'm looking at it. I'm like, boy, the volume of these pills, whew! Yeah. Well, what's that good to do with the meatlo? Well, what I'm saying is, you know, getting there around the meatloaf with this.

kind of, and, oh, you're saying that may affect the recipe. Yeah, that's what I'm telling you. Well,

that was the point. Years and pharmaceuticals, you had them two up. He said, watch the, watch the meatloaf. I was going to make that point a little more delicately, but,

but that's, that's right because Missy nails it every time because she does it the way mom used to do it. But with these days, the mom, it's hit or miss. I mean,

you're not, you know, she may leave out a key ingredient. or something out of, you know, one of her. Well, there's something. I mean, it's one of the great, most people. Jersey Joe, the guy that moved down here from New Jersey and brought his family with him, and they all obeyed the gospel, but he's a full-blooded Italian, so is his wife,

and they brought that, but they make the best meatballs today out of all this, all this. Did you know it? You don't have it. No, I don't have, he won't give it. He won't give you the recipe. Well, wait a minute. It's a secret. You're going to move New Jersey into the world of great cuisine.

And you have something that's actually good. I think that would be part of the. They were downtown New Jersey, but they moved here and they love it. Well, you know, Dad, did you know his son is dating my granddaughter? Did you know that? You know it. Yeah. I think there should be a rule.

If you come from out of state to obey the Lord and, You know, you confess your sins along the way, and you have something to offer, you should also confess your recipes if you had something that would add. He smiled at me. I said, how did you get this tasting like this? Yeah. And he was looking at me, and he smiled. I said, he's not going to tell anybody. This is what Acts 2 is about. You share. You share in common. Yeah. All your recipes. But I mean, they are delicious now. They are really good. Well, I appreciate you bringing it. I think it went.

good the show's doing good from what i understand and we're we have a i have a an announcement if you want to come see the team so the team now is known as murray myself and jep we don't consider sire part of the team because he's not a team player he's the voice he's the uh bosley of the charlie's angel that's right metal detecting bosley you don't really see him you kind of hear him since he was my brother and he I had him label as you know mentally confused yeah that was being generous but the powers that be called me off on the side and they said no your brother he's not confused at all you know what you call that in Hollywood and up here and you know I said what's that he said talent he's talented you'll stop before you act like a food but yeah when I was on his when I was on his podcast I did think

He's pretty telling him because he never stopped for 45 minutes about everything under the sun. So we're going to be, the team is going to be on Saturday, August 6th, I guess this year. What's this year? 2022. These people may be going back, listen to this. I don't want them to show up to hear from now. We're going to be at the Bass Pro Shop in Great Bine, Texas, if you want to come see us. Cool.

So public service. I bet some of our listeners will be there for sure because every time I speak around the country, they show up in full force. So it's in the Dallas area. I mean, don't make a special trip if you're not, you know, out of state. I mean, let's not be crazy here. But we're going to be there from 11 to 1. So you all like signing autographs or speaking? I don't know what we're doing, Al.

I have no idea. I don't want to know. but we'll because that makes it more fun spontaneous yeah i may get up and speak we'll sign a few autographs meet some people so i know a lot of our audience is um they they cross over and watch our live stream and i highly recommend that you watch larry's sermon from yesterday he preached at whitesfair road and did a great job he's in st c Corinthians 11 and of course i had set him up before because Oh, it was all because of the setup, yeah. Yeah, it was, it was fun.

And then, and then Mike gets to bring it home this week, but it was really good. So I encourage people to do that. Now, I'm probably going to regret asking this, but I'm going to do it. I guess we can always edit. But dad, I get a text yesterday. So I'm totally in our live stream and I'm loving the worship and Larry Sermon was great. So I'm just all in it. Then I get a text from one of Dad's parishioners where he was speaking yesterday.

and here's what the text said. How many, guess how many times that your dad said the word orgasm in his sermon this way? Again. I didn't know how to respond. I was simply bringing up in our culture, they bow to that. And I mean any way that there is. In other words, the Bible is very explicit saying sex is permissible between a man and a woman who are married. There's a difference between a male and a female.

We've taken that, and because the orgasm, you don't need pharmaceuticals or anything, it's there for the taking. I have never seen a country bow down to that act. yes it's good but it would be much better and way more healthy for people to marry someone of the opposite sex and keep their orgasm contained between the two of them man and woman that was my point because they worship that yep it's a little it's a little blunt but i mean you know today's culture when we have grown men saying they're women and vice versa women and you're like what and they they can't control. There's no sexual control.

It's out of control. I just thought it was. It's a sad thing to watch. Let's take a break. But you're right. On the congregation, they were quiet. I wonder why. You had their full attention.

Shock and all. I've never heard that question asked about a sermon before. I just thought that was interesting. So I'm glad you let us know, Dad. I'm sure it was good. I'm just saying our culture in each two. reign that end. Yeah.

Agreed. Whether they will or not, you know. I mean, everybody's talking about that stuff all the time, but they never relate it to their relationship in the sovereignty of God. And where sex originated, he invented it. Yeah, it was his idea. That's what I was trying to get across. There's a lot of people feeling comfortable when you start talking about that.

But it was God's idea, and I think, and he kind of laid out the best case scenario. So, I mean, I think it's okay to talk about it. I mean, if you don't, the information's coming out there, especially young people. It becomes idolatry within some groups because there's no rules to the way they're behaving. And it's a sad thing to watch. We don't understand, I think, what sexuality is for. And the bond that it creates when the two become one flesh. And there's just so much spiritually and theologically going on in that.

And I think that our society talks more about sex and enjoys it less than any society in the world. That was my point for the lesson. That was my point right there. But Larry, yesterday, you made a brilliant point I thought in your sermon when you talked about, and since we're talking about this context of sexuality, I think we know the evil one. is is behind this whole push towards all this everything that's going on. I mean, these are, this is evil incarnate. So, sure.

But you made a point about that deception, the difference between deception and lying. Make that point to, to dab, because I thought that was really, really good. And the idea that a lie is really just 100% false. And I think I use the analogy that, let's say you're traveling. You may want to do this when you're traveling. And somebody you meet that doesn't know you and you want to impress them, you'd just say, well, you know, what do you do? Well, right now I'm the lieutenant governor of Wyoming. And nobody knows who the, you know, in a pre-Google environment, you could actually get away with that.

And they're like, wow, I just met the lieutenant governor of Wyoming. That's 100% false. That's why how a lie works. Deception is not like that. Deceptions are built 100% of true things, true elements. So not everything that is true is the truth. And so you have to filter. And you talked about that in chapter 10.

In verse 31, we take captive, every thought and we make it obedient to Christ. We bring everything under the authenticity of Scripture and the words. Word of God. And so how did Satan try to deceive Jesus in the wilderness? What do you do? Scripture. Scripture. Every time he's using Jesus' own words, 100% of it, true.

But devoid of context, this is why you always hear me talking about, context, context, context, context, the who, what, when, where, and why of Scripture, if we don't do good exegesis, exegetical view, it can't mean this because of this, that kind of thing. that's the only controls that we have to interpreting scripture because devoid of context, I can take any of these truths and I can arrange them in the context of my choosing and I can make them completely untrue. Yeah. Tell that story when you were a kid, the TV show.

That's a great illustration. I used not everything that's true is the truth. And so when I was six years old, there was a little local. produced children's show every afternoon at 430. And it was called the Uncle Zeb show. And so I'd come home from first grade and I'd park myself in front of that zenith black and white TV. And I'm peering into it.

And they're talking to me. And I'm thinking that it's, they can see me the way that I can see them on the TV. Oh, wow. Yeah. Because, and part of this was bolstered by the idea because every, you know, there's kids. on the show and then they have a thing and then at the end Uncle Zeb gets on there and he says, I see you. He said, I'd like to say hi to Sarah and there's Amy and there's Billy. And every kid was just staring at that TV waiting for Uncle Zeb to see them. And then one day he said, I'd like

to say hi to Larry and I was like, he saw that just happened. He knows my name. That was true. He said my name. I heard it with my own ears and he was looking me right in the eyes when he said it. Turns out not everything that's true is the truth. Yeah. And so be careful what you believe because your beliefs rule over you. You don't rule your beliefs. Sounds like the makings of a con man. Exactly. Because they even like the psychic, you know, it's all of, they figure out how to have a conversation and say things judged on your personality that would seem true. The next thing you know, you're paying the money to figure out what your next move is. Exactly.

Exactly. But, I mean, back to that sexual thing is all of evil does one thing. It takes what it was intended for good and perverts it and it tries to make it something else. And so all of sin is deception. It's a carrot on a stick. it's empty, it's a promise around the corner that never comes to reality. It ends in death. And to Dad's point, that's exactly what the evil one has done in our culture is it sort of just continues to descend.

Right. And so what happens is you take thousands of years of human tradition. I mean, take God out of the equation, just thousands of years of human tradition, and you kick it to the curb and just start saying anybody can marry anybody. you can decide when you're a baby what you are because, you know, there's no biology. And so these decisions are made, but not only made, but now being codified into law. Right. Where it's the law of our land to embrace these things. What's interesting is that horrible, horrible diseases follow that kind of conduct.

I looked in the World Book Encyclopedia two or three days ago, I was looking at this, and that just the HIV, it came in in the 80s, you know, it killed 35 million people. Wow. HIV, age, 35 million. And there was another 30-something million that had it. About to this day, there's still about 40, 50,000 a year. Yeah. Die of AIDS even now.

It's just reckless. You know, that Romans won, you know, they receive in themselves. Yeah. You know, the punishment that's due them. You know, sin and punishment are connected. You don't have to punish sin for being sin. That's right. It carries its own consequence, you know, the wage of sin is death.

That's the monkey pox. Yeah, exactly. But you don't have to punish a grain of sand, you know, for getting in your eye. It brings its own irritation. I think of Jesus and the woman caught in adultery, you know, and Jesus says, let the one without sin cast the first stone. The rocks start hitting the ground. The oldest first.

I love that. It's like there's some age and wisdom going on there. But then the woman is asked by Jesus, where are your accusers? You're condemners. And he says, neither do I condemn you. Why? Because her own lifestyle was condemning her. Sin and punishment are connected.

She was carrying the condemnation of her behavior. And he said, what? Repent. Go and sin no more. And sin is also progressive, Larry, because, you know, you made that point about from St. Corinthians 10 about taking control of every thought. And so I'd made the point the week before, if you don't, if your thoughts aren't captive to you, then they become your captor.

Right. And it just descends into something that's terrible. Yeah. And this thing about it is once you give in to sin and begin to live this way, it's always going to descend into pain, difficulty, separation, relationship. I mean, it's just by its nature. It's not healthy. It's not good.

But it's so amazing that, you know, people just have a hard time accepting that and embrace that concept. And you become a slave to whatever has mastery over you. The lease talked about, I started the sermon that worked into the, just a whole hog while over the orgasm. But the least talked about thing on. this planet is sin. Yeah.

When's the last time you heard anyone anywhere in the news media say the word sin? Yeah. You don't hear it very often out of the pulpit. Out of the pulpit. It's not there. You say, I wonder why they don't talk about sin as deadly as it is. I wonder why they don't bring it up. And I think once the evil one gets controlled with a group, it's no longer sin.

Just look at the change in our country. the last 20 years. It's incredible. Yeah. The speed at which it could happen. Well, people don't want to hear the truth. Let's take another break. Okay.

Yeah, go ahead and finish your point. People don't want to hear the truth. I brought up yesterday, Jeremiah, and, you know, in Jeremiah 4, he's telling of God's wrath coming down on the calamity that he's going to allow on Jerusalem. and the nation of Israel. And then there's these false prophets in chapter six and chapter eight that are saying, oh, no, it's not going to be that bad. And in Isaiah 30, it actually says that, you know, don't tell us the truth.

Tell us lies. Tell us good things. And I've heard people say, you know, we don't want to talk about sin. It just doesn't do anybody any good. It's not a positive motivating, you know, in trying to build up the flesh. well, whatever I do in the flesh to try to fix the flesh only strengthens the flesh. And so let's say that I am a public speaker and I have this issue with my right arm. And occasionally when I'm trying to talk to people, it'll just fly up and hit me in the head.

And I'm like, well, that's inconvenient and embarrassing. And I'm talking and I'm trying to communicate and just slap. And I'm like, okay, I'm going to fix this. So I'm going to go get some dumbbells, and I'm going to begin to build my arm up so that when it twitches, I'll be able to have the strength to hold it down. Well, Kathy comes home one day, and I'm laid out in the middle of the living room floor, you know, and she's like, what happened with the side of my head bashed in? I'm like, I twitched. What used to bother me and annoy me now has the strength to kill me. And so that's the progression.

toward you hitting yourself in the face with a dumbbell. No, no, it's just whatever I try to do to fix the flesh and the power of the flesh only strengthens the flesh. Yeah. So, yeah. Which would be a dumbbell thing to do. Exactly. Hit yourself. Exactly.

But that's exactly what all religion does. It tries to fix the problems with the flesh in the power of the flesh. I'm laughing because I've been battling these moths for. I guess going on two weeks now. So Missy was out of town. You're still battling the moths? I've killed them by the thousands. And so they're called pantry moss.

I've tried everything known to man. But every time you turn the lights out, close the door, give it five minutes, open it, you'll kill two to five. You need a professional. They don't know how to kill a moth. They don't know. They're just like, we don't know. I've already had the consult.

but I was telling you last night, I was rolling around on the floor in Mississippi Camden, she was like, what is wrong with you? Because I was watching TV and one of those monitors descended. I just looked up and it was just fluttering toward my face while I was on the couch. That need holes in your clothing, do you? I went to slap him and I poked myself in the eye during the slap. It's so weird you're bringing up the right hand involuntary. It's kind of like a stab.

I stabbed myself here about a week or three days ago. I know. Kind of like a snake. You know, people are like, that kind of snake won't hurt you. And I'm like, oh, no, it'll sure make you hurt yourself. You know what I mean? So I poked myself and I killed the moth. I was getting gas this morning and somebody asked me how you were doing.

And I said, oh, he's fine. He's like, well, I mean, he stabbed himself. I mean, I was like, oh, is that out now? I forgot we talked about that. I just jammed my heel against the open. pocket knife in my chair, I just did my leg like that, and the back of the knife caught, and the thing was open, I'd just clean my finger in there, whatever. I just had the knife lying inside me.

And I moved my leg, and there's the result. Oh, my goodness. We have a demonstration, right? Look at that. Let's see what that knife. Yeah, I do. He's showing it again. No, I don't, I think that's the first time he's actually shown it.

The pain is gone. The pain is gone. Yeah, the pain is gone. Hot, salty water. what I'm using it anymore, but I mean, you can just put your foot over in there, let it soak, and you'll be amazed at how that, how medicinal it is. It's just a pot of water, hot, salty water. But, Jason, until your little tail, I didn't realize that moths were so aggressive.

I didn't need that. Because you're telling a tail they're after you, they're attack you, they flutter. They don't attack, but I think he just, you know, my beard looks like a great place to hide. and it's like it's actually there's a lot i mean and now we have this little baby who's getting older and stronger and it's it's a great thing to pull also so now every time i had me pulls or it's a place to hide so these malls all i can think in my mind right now is kind of like a hitchcock movie like the birds you know you open the door and they just fly in and they're just well it started off when i opened the pantry they just i moved a

can of grits and they just come falling out by the hundreds. There was the larva that looked like maggots all over. It looks like maggots. So I start throwing the stuff away. Yeah. I cleaned it all. I killed them all. I thought, well, that's it.

A week later, I'm still killing them. But now they're just appearing out of nowhere. So I think there's a secondary layer. You may be on to something because the day before yesterday, Ms. Kay keeps her rice in about a, I mean, a bit large jar. Yeah. You know, I'm talking, you know, 10, 12, 15 pounds of rice. But I would dip over in there, meres in and out.

And I looked, and oh, the artist was there beside me. He said, wait a minute. He said, that rice looked like it's moving. So we got to look in very carefully, and they were very small, but there were thousands of them inside. And the right, that's it. You got the same problem. It's the same problem. Everything comes in.

I screwed the lid down, went outside, dumped it all, built me a little fire. This is just beginning. Look, I... It's the end for the millions of things that were down in that rice. I was... You know, I thought, you know, we built a fire. We may be just destroying good protein here. I said, we probably wouldn't hurt it.

I don't think it'll kill you. Yeah. There's a buildup on the bottom of the jar, kind of like a... And I think that was just Well, according to my research, it came When you bought it from the store, the little eggs were there And then they multiplied. I wondered about that.

I said, I wonder if this was in the bag When we bought this in the store And I was leaning toward it. I think it was. Yeah, oh, it was. You know, they're having all these problems, you know, but I don't know where the rice, you know, they sit out there on these boats

Just stacked up full Any kind of microbe, whatever, get going up in there. What I recommend is when you go back to the pantry, you throw away anything that was exposed, any kind of macaroni, rice, but anything. The list of things they breed in. Ms. Kay is going to hold it in a smaller container. We eat a lot of rice, but I think she's going to put it in a smaller jar so you don't

stay so long because if you fill the jar back up with all that down the bottom, you're not circulating it. So I think maybe a smaller holding. Yeah. I think your nightmares just start. If you're taking notes at home, if your rice is moving, you set it on five. That's exactly what it was happening. The rice was just pulsating.

And I thought, what in the world? In some countries, they just call that protein, you know. Some restaurants, they just give everything a good shot, a raid before they bring it out so nothing on the plate moves. You're going to boil your eyes and it kills, Sam, but I'd just rather not eat small bugs. So, I mean, Missy is living in this house with you? She was out of town a week, and I told her about it. Jay's, hang on, let's take a break. So when she came back, I mean, she heard me in there hitting, I killed two or three in the pantry, and she's like, what are you doing?

I said, I'm killing these moths. I've been killing them for a week. She was like, oh, her first response. was I don't want to hear about it. Yeah. But then when I was in there, writing in pain because I poked myself in the eye, well, then she's like,

I mean, I think we need to call a professional. I was like, I am the professional. This is my whole point. They're not attacking her. It's just you. Well, this one.

I'm thinking it's a personal vendetta. I don't think it was an attack because the, this is not a, it doesn't, it looks like a little furry friend, a little winged fur. It's real light and dainty. Yeah.

But you get enough of them in your pantry, and it becomes a problem. But I do think it was just going to hide in my beer, which is... Something in your pantry, they're heavy and they're somewhere, like rice with the... We had a lids on this jar. We have a lid screwed down on. Everything that was open has been thrown away. I think what happens is once they start the breeding process, then they find a hole in the wall or a crack somewhere. They lay the egg.

And now they're coming from there. everything that you can see, it's gone. And I've cleaned it. But they just keep coming. So I don't know what to do. So maybe somebody out there in podcast land. I'm not sure what this has to do with sin judgment consequences. And mods.

Yeah. I was going to say earlier. When we talked. It all came from Larry's illustration. I was going to say earlier, Well, I thought about that, Ephesians 5, where it said, you know, I was talking about deceit. But when he said, you know, he says be imitators, live a life of love, just as Christ loved us and gave himself up for us as a fragrant offering and sacrifice to God. Because it hit me, we're in Hebrews 8 and 9 that one of the things we haven't mentioned on why Jesus is superior, why he was the superior priest, is that he was.

is our priest and our sacrifice. I mean, these other priests were, you know, they were sacrificing bulls and goats. But Jesus, he's our priests, he's our bridge and our sacrifice. Which is a, you know, you could just sit around and think about that for hours. I mean, how powerful is that? But, James, remember this. This is an admonition for you to. All right, well, I didn't even get to my point yet.

He who dwells in the shelter of the most high will rest in the shadow of the Almighty. I will say to the Lord, he is my refuge and my fortress, my God in whom I trust. Check us out, Jason. Where's that at? Surely this is Psalm 91. Surely he will save you from the fowler's snare and from the deadly pestilence. There it is. He will cover you with his feathers and under his wings.

You'll find refuge. His faithfulness will be your shield and rampant. You will not fear the terror of night, nor the air that flies by day, nor the pestilence. Is this about the moss? This is about the moss. Pestilence comes from strange things. Yeah. A little bitty bug, and you say, oh, well, but you'll look up and you'll say, what?

Here they come in hordes. It's like a Hitchcock movie. The pestilence stalks in the darkness nor the plague that destroys at midday. Yeah. A thousand may fall at your side. 10,000 at your right hand, but it will not come near you. You will only observe with your eyes and see the punishment of the wicked toll. But it is near me. So where's the good news of this? Pestilets comes from strange, strange things. I thought you were trying to encourage me,

but I'm not real sure you are. I'm saying you're a, I think he's saying you're not encouraged at this point. Yeah. I'm saying, make you sure you're right with the Lord and your faith in the resurrection because pestilets could We'll give you some Pauline encouragement. Fight the good fight, brother. Don't. I kind of like the, uh,

those little bugs you've been after. They're agents of the evil. Oh, my goodness. Oh, we're off the rails. Dad has steered in, dad has steered into being one of Job's friends. On Jason's pestil. Now, that's it.

I agree with that. Here come the brethren. Yeah. Here come. Why is that? So what I was going to say back to the original point since we're so off the rails. Oh, man. But when he says, we are off the rail.

But verse three, it says, but among you, I've been going back to your point you made about deceit. There must not be even a hint of sexual immorality or of any kind of impurity or of greed, because these are improper for God's holy people. But it seems like he's making a point here not to say the obvious. obvious things, but it's like the things that we deceive, we rationalize, because even a hint or of any kind of impurity, because then he says, nor should there be obscenity or foolish talk or course joking, which are all things that we kind of ride the line on, you know, and justify in our mind. But then it says, but rather, thanksgiving for this, you can be sure, no immoral, impure,

or greedy person. Then he says this, such a man is an idolater as any inheritance in the kingdom of God, the kingdom of Christ of God and of God. Let no one deceive you. This was the point I was trying to get to with empty words, which it made me think about when you said about the deceit and the best lies of the one of the most truth in it. There's words you can say that are empty and you kind of think about what that means. It sounds good, but it has nothing sustaining. Right. It's like Matthew 12. know that on the day of judgment, we're going to have to give an account of every empty, careless word that we've ever spoken. I mean, by our words, we will be condemned and by our

words we will be acquitted. And our words have power. They carry meaning and thoughts and all of that sort of thing. Well, you brought that up yesterday, that verse that says, not everyone who says to me, Lord, Lord. Yeah, it says Matthew 7. He says, I'll never knew you. Yeah, it's the scariest version in the whole New Testament. But it does. It does. It does. get to the point that, you know, back to, you know, wherever we're at in Hebrews, I thought about that when you told about the woman caught in adultery and why Jesus, you know, is better and offers a better way when he says in verse 14 of chapter 9 in Hebrews, he says, how much more than will the blood of Christ and through the eternal spirit offered himself unblemished to God?

Right. And he's already made reference in chapter 2 and chapter 2 and chapter four that you know he was a sinless sacrifice and a sinless priest you know he didn't have to offer sacrifices for his sins because he didn't have any right he offered himself unblemished to god and here's what i i love this phrase because all of a sudden in this this uh you know he's giving you this picture of the shadow right from the law and the rituals to who jesus is and why he's better than all of a sudden it gets real personal here it says it cleanses our consciences from acts that lead to death so that we may serve the living God.

I mean, somewhere in this picture, all of a sudden you see Jesus on a cross as a priest and a sacrifice cleansing our consciences from these acts that we've all done, these sins that we talk about and justify and rationalize and, you know, spin a yarn on to make ourselves feel better or, or, however, you know, we, we respond to that. So I just thought that was a powerful thing. Then he goes on to say, for this reason, Christ is... Hang on, Jay's.

Let's take our last break. So then he goes on to say, for this reason, Christ is the mediator of a new covenant that those who are called may receive the promised to eternal inheritance now that he has died as a ransom to set them free from the sins committed under the first covenant. Right. You know, this word consciousness, it cleanses our consciousness is interesting. And as soon as you said it, I thought, this is a really neat thing because our relationship, this is how we change our relationship with God. And so, you know, here comes Jesus. He takes on flesh and offers himself, his own blood, his own sacrifice. And God reconciles to himself. all things, and heaven and earth through the blood of his son shed on that cross. And the way that that cleanses our consciousness, when we come to Christ and we accept that free gift of forgiveness and salvation in him, our consciences are changed because we are no

longer enemies of God. Christ died for us while we were still yet enemies of God, and that was our status before. And this is, I think, a big point that Paul makes is that we have now been adopted as sons and as daughters. And by his spirit, we cry out, Abba, Father. And the cool word, Abba, is an Aramaic word. And it was actually left untranslated. The word father is not there in the original text. They added to kind of explain what Abba was.

but it's not really a title that was used a lot. I mean, it was used a lot, but it's not formal. It literally means daddy. And so if you and I were brothers, which we are, in the spiritual sense, but we were adopted. I was adopted and you were a natural son. Or I was a, you know, back in that culture, if I was a bond servant, you know, to the family or whatever, I could play with you.

You and me or little boys were playing on the floor that I could never call him daddy. But if he adopted me and brought me into a legitimate, he changed my relationship with him. Now he has been given, I've been given the ability to call him daddy just the way you call. Your daddy became my daddy. And so it is by this blood, by this reconciliation, that we have a clear conscience because of the blood of Christ that I am set free from the power that sin had over me. It's like we're talking about well ago. I've got this thing that has become the master of me. I'm no longer a master to sin.

Sin no longer has mastery over me. And so here's Jesus. and he, you know, comes up out of this grave and he says, behold, here I am. I've got the keys of death and Hades, the realm of the dead. And he has overcome and defeated death. Well, it's like when I read that in Ephesians, I think the reason people get into idolatry is,

so based on what I read in Ephesians 5, is that it's a good excuse for whatever sin you want to commit. When you think about, you're then rationalizing why you do what you do. Right. I mean, if God is real and living and active and he knows my heart, well, in that relationship, you're honest about your heart and your sin. But if you're just, if you have some version of God where you can have a hint of sexual and morality justified,

or you can justify the deceit, you know, in your life. I think that's why I use that as, you know, as an example. It says such a man is an idolater. Right. Because you've actually changed the heart and character of God. Right. That's why I think it's an important point here in Hebrews 9 when he said, who through the eternal spirit, you know,

the personality, the character, the character. character, however you want to deem that, offered himself unblemish to God. So, because you think about the fruit of the spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness. So when you think about that passage in Galatians 5, by contrast, you know, he says the acts of sinful nature, obvious. Right. And he lists, number one on the list to Phil's point is sexually immorality. And it's usually first because I just think it gets the most publicity.

Well, he does, absolutely. But then he said, but the fruit of the spirit. And it's all these character, all the good stuff, love, joy, peace, patience. So somewhere in that process by Jesus's death, you know, there's an honesty, a sincerity, an openness about what we've done, a reality, instead of trying to cover it up or deceive or deceive or deceive or lie, that, you know, here's our father who's saying, I love you this much. I'm going to not only forgive you, but I'm going to cleanse your conscience. You don't have to feel bad about it.

We're going to move forward here. And all we've got to do is come clean with that. If we confess our sins, one to another, he is faithful to forgive us. And this goes back to deception. There's no greater deception than deceiving yourself. All right. You know, and so that's how most of us walk around, and that's where judgment begins is like, well, that guy. And so you go back to Jesus saying, you know, don't worry about the speck in your brother's eye.

You got this going on, this plank. I can't see this plank in my own eye because I'm deceived in myself. And so when I'm deceiving myself, when I'm prideful and arrogant in my own abilities, I become completely blind and completely. completely deaf. Yeah. And that is the, that's the issue. Yeah. And so if we are confessing our sins, if we're coming clean, that, that leaves us in that

conscious free arena. And as soon as we start deceiving ourselves, we move back out of that and start living in the power of the flesh. Yeah. And you're acknowledging that God is, you're not going to trick God. It's like, you know, somehow another we deceive. and think, oh, you know, if I confess my sins to a priest, you know, an earthly priest or whatever. And then I can go out and do whatever.

And it's like God no longer sees me. I mean, then you're just deceiving yourself. I mean, you're acknowledging that God is all-knowing, all-powerful. He's living and active. You know, he mentioned that in chapter 4 and 12. There's nothing that is hidden in God's sight. You're just acknowledging that fact. But the fact that he's forgiven you should make us more appreciative instead of trying to hide.

Exactly. I think of the garden. Well, we're out of time. Go ahead. We've got to continue this discussion. We were all over the map. You caused all that. If you want to fall.

Yeah, I think I could fend forth the exact time when this went a different direction. Yeah. Yeah. BlazTV.com slash unashamed is where we'll be. We're going to do some overtime and flesh this out a little bit more, as well as get Larry's take in overtime, as well as the next podcast about Hebrews. So we'll see you in the overtime.