Unashamed with the Robertson Family - Ep 523 | Phil Scolds Jase for a Humor Mix-Up & Miss Kay Has a Crazy New Injury

Episode Date: August 3, 2022

Jase attempts to share what he finds funny about church parking lot signs, and Phil turns to Scripture to rebuke his son! Jase talks about the hellfire and brimstone sermons he grew up listening to and questions whether it's really the right way to go. Miss Kay injures her hand while fighting a bee. Phil debates Jase over his weight and shows off his torn unicep. Al makes a great point about Old Testament forgiveness. And Zach details the ways that the human heart must be tended to and not ignored. Sign up to watch the Unashamed overtime show, only on BlazeTV: https://BlazeTV.com/Unashamed - Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

I am unashamed. What about you? So, Dad, you made a road, you made a rare, you don't get out much now. You're pretty much river, a river, what would you call it, a river rat, river heavy, river bound. You stay down here. I hit my mid-70s, and I would say I'm in a coasting mode. I'm just coasting. I'm coasting. I'm not, I don't get too fired up. jumping up and down, running, beating the air.

You're kind of in a glide. You're gliding to the finish line, right? I spent some time beating the air, you know, like this. But Phil, most of the time when you're coasting, that means a jet engine has blown. Speaking of jets, we got on one, and we were in Louisiana, and 34 minutes later, we're sitting in the middle of Arkansas.

I said, you know what? I said, oh. That's a nice web travel. McConnell, you know. Phil, there was a time in your life when you couldn't go to Arkansas. Oh. You were banned. Outlawed.

Now you're flying in on a private plane. I was pre-Jesus. Never crossing out of Arkansas line. I'll tell you the truth. Was I always say you were working on your testimony. You said that at the funeral. I said that. Look, I had to stop and think about that.

I thought, what did he mean by that? Oh. Okay. What hit me was for the first time ever, it finally dawned on me because the young bucks would come up, a long line. I'm signing this book uncanceled. It's just an excellent book, by the way.

Everybody sins and God cancels them. And the price he chose is the blood of himself. That's how seriously he takes sin is one point. But anyway, they would walk up and over and over the younger books there. There'd be about mid-20s. they would say, Mr. Robinson, I just want to let you know. Y'all saved my life, you know, with that podcast and all, you know, going through these Bible verses.

He said, the light went off and I am here to stay. He said, look at this. And he handed me, one of them to hand me a picture. Quite a few of them did it. But it was a picture of me with them. And he said, right here, I am, right there in that picture. I was four, Mr. Robinson, four years old. Now he was 25.

down at now he's 25. He said, I have seen the era of my ways and your warnings have struck me. And he said, I am thankful that you're still here on the earth. You and your boys, you and your sons, you know. I mean, they were going back to pictures that were taken. They were three and four years old, Al. Would you say, Dad, before we got on, I started recording, you said, you never felt more famous. Yeah, I said, I think I'm beginning to get famous.

Dad, you're kind of a big deal. I don't know that. I don't know if you need that. Some of them called up and said, Tell, Miss Kaye, Telfield, he's getting way too skinny. And I thought, he said, you know, is you on the edge of death? And I was thinking, I weigh the same thing. I weigh what I'm supposed to weigh on the chart.

Everybody's chart 165, 63-165. But, you know. 6-3-165 is a little too skinny, in my opinion. I told you that. I was like, you need to eat. Well, you're not eating as much. But I say, I think, I say if you're sick, I mean, I'm six, and I'm 180.

I was... I'm just going to keep my noise. My senior year in high school, we need to put crickets. I don't ever try to edit the podcast. My senior year in college, I was, my playing weight football player was, I was six, two and a half, six three, one sixty five. I weigh eight. That's exactly what I weigh in. I'm into recruiting.

I'm into sports. And if you're, if a recruit is they sign a recruit and he's 6-3-165, the first thing on the recruiting board would be like, put some weight on that. Put a little weight on him. Well, you got to remember something. I say 180. Yeah, but the dad's coasty. These arms used to be just, I mean, piddling up hook nets. I saw them.

See the muscles? Well, you lost half of one there. All this poor loose. What are you going to do? Go to the doctor and sew it up. You just sunk it up. It heals back, but there's a big hole in my... Yeah, you got a unisap instead of my...

But that was a once in a lifetime. I mean, muscles are tearing, Jace. They're getting older, dude. Muscles tear. Boy, you need to get beef back up. I said, why, to tear out another muscle? This is why I told you, look, so we... Miss Kay, she's got her hands all wrapped up.

She's not hurting her again. I'm trying to pin it here. She's a bumblebee, and she, one runs in the... out of me, she said, my finger's crooked. And I looked at it, I said, honey, I said, I'm not a doctor. I said, but you've broken a couple of tendons, tendon or two, and that's pull loose. That's why your finger will always be that way. In other words, I said, you got to get your finger pull back over and tie that together. The doctor does. I said, they can fix it. I said, but she said, well, did I break it? I said, you didn't break it. The tendons broke. And that's why I didn't put it in a pot of

It just slams on one side right there, right there, you know. You know, 75 you're a woman. What are you going to do? So anyway, she goes up and they look at it and they said, all right, surgery, they got her all lined out. She can't do anything. I've got to take care of her now. Well, that's good. Six weeks.

That's good. You're getting to pay back. I think if I would rephrase that and say, I get the opportunity to take care of her now. It's all bundled up and got a thing on, you know, so she's grabbing her dogs, you know, on one hand. Yeah. So she was not at the funeral. I'm preparing you boys ready where when your woman starts to fall apart, you'll be there to pick up the pieces. Well, I'm glad you're setting the pace for that.

Yeah, so our Aunt Mary, who was Uncle Harold, was his dad's older brother, who's already passed on, moved on. He, his wife made the crossover. And so we had her funeral this week. And Jason and I were two of the pallbearers as well as. I spoke and Gordon spoke. Yeah, y'all did a fantastic time. I thought it was pretty good.

I mean, it was kind of fun for me because, of course, Terry Davis, our old pal from university, he led the singing. And boy, he was getting after it because it's kind of like a little small country type church. You think? That's being generous. When I saw the sign, when I pulled up in the parking lot and the sign said, if you think it's hot here, try here.

That's what it said, Zach. I was like, well, there's nothing more inviting than that. Come on in here. I saw that sign. I said, okay. Well, it made me start thinking in my mind because, look, this is a true story. So in a weird turn of event, I played in a golf tournament in the same town. I mean, it's several miles away from where we live.

I heard that. I heard you were there. So the next day, I was up. there playing in a golf time. Huh. So all, which is five hours of my life, I'll never get back. We didn't win. So when I'm coming back, well, right down the road from that church building,

yeah. Different denominational church, look, I wrote, I pulled over and wrote down what the sign said here. So we're saying, I'd say as a crow flies, this was probably 10 miles from, from that building. It said, here's how it started. Sign man quit Too hot Don't go to hell

It's hotter Just break that down Sign man quit So there's sign man quit Because it was too hot to change But here's just I'm gonna make The Substitute

Reminded you that hell is hotter Hell's hotter Don't go there I don't bad mouth anybody That talks about hell because it's a motivator to get people. We don't want to go, that's for sure. Well, it's true, but it made me think,

I mean, we're in Hebrews 10, but it did make me think, where is the balance in that? I mean, because the whole book of Hebrews, if you read the whole thing, it's about Jesus is better. That should be your point of message is a person. You're introducing a person.

Now, in Hebrews 10, it gets to. Oh, yeah, We're going to talk about judgment in hell, yeah. But he's still, what is the point? I mean, I just, look, for fun, I look. It's like that, Jayes, it's like the old when they say in journalism. You never want to bury the lead. The lead is what comes out.

That's the headline, the opening story of a newscast. That's the lead, which is Jesus's Spirit. But you're right. The other is a story, but it shouldn't be the lead. Well, we kind of say sometime chuckle, but Jason said, where's the line? for God did not send his son into the world to condemn the world. He didn't do that, Jase. But to save the world through him.

And here's Jesus talking. Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe stands condemned already because he's not believed in the name of God's one and only son. This is the verdict, Jase. The verdict is announced before Jesus even gets there. When he's there, Jesus is talking here. This is him talking.

This is the verdict. Lights come into the world. That's himself. But men, it's a sad thing. But men loved darkness instead of light because their deeds were evil. Everyone who does evil hates the light and will not come into the light for fear that his deeds will be exposed. But whoever lives by the truth comes into. to the light so that it may be seen plainly that what he's done has been done through

God. He said, the verdict is people are sinful and they won't come to the one who's come down to save them. Jase, do we agree on that? There is a heaven and there is a hell. And there's the... I thought you were agreeing with me, but I'm not sure now. No, I'm just showing you that a lot of those discussions later.

The verdict is, most people, Jase, you know, when you bring up Jesus, you know what they do look dope thumbs down what I'm saying is if a guy is driving down the road and he reads that sign I don't think that's working I don't think they're saying oh let me get in the air condition get in there and get in some air conditioning

and turn my life over to Jesus I just don't think it's working well why would somebody tell me somebody's a lot of them said y'all y'all on that podcast saved my life well I think that's no we didn't save. He said, oh, because I think we're focusing on Jesus, which is the author and perfector of our faith. Look, I wrote down a few more. Humor me. I did this before, but I wrote down a few more just to make the point. Now, these are ones I looked up online. And look, this took two minutes.

Yeah. So it wasn't like I scoured the internet. But I just thought I would, there's a theme here, and I think it's funny, but kind of disturbing. All right. Trash. Traffic report. So this is the sign. Traffic report, semicolon. So you're now going to get a traffic report from the local congregation. There's a highway to hell and a stairway to heaven. Yeah.

That was the traffic report. Traffic report. I thought that was funny. It's pretty good. And two pretty good tunes, too. All right. Do you spend your time? this is the next one in god's book all right that sounds great or facebook

fair question that's leavening it i know well i think you know who the signs are designed so there was another one right below that it said one i'm weeded out because i don't have a hookup yeah well right well right here here's another one i threw this one in there because it was a lot like it. It said, tweet as you want to be tweeted. All right, next one. This is, this is for the, this is for theologian. You got to remember, you're driving down the road, right? Yep. So you have to process this. Right. Acting perfect in church is like dressing up for an x-ray. Well,

I'll quote Peter 1-18, Jase, you listening? I'm listening. I'm just stunned that you're taking up for this. Hang on, we read that. Let's take our first break. Jay, since you call on a father, verse 17, and 1st Peter 1. Who judges each man's work impartially.

Live your lives here, Jace, as strangers here in reverent fear. I'm not. It's okay to be afraid of God. Well, you know that it was not with perishable things such a silver or gold that you were redeemed from the empty way of life handed out of you from your forefathers. You were saved, but with the precious blood of Christ, a lamb was chosen before the creation of the world, but was revealed in these last times, Chase.

Through him, you believe in God, who raised him from the dead and glorified him And so your faith and hope are in God. So the sign was right. Nothing wrong with reverent fear, according to Peter. Correct. I'm not disdain. That's too. I knew this was going to be an issue.

I didn't know it was going to be quite this drastic. All right, so listen to this one. Because here I'm reading between the lines. God is for recycling. So this sounds like to me. me before I read the button. We have... Recycle, uncannceled, sins are removed.

All right, I'm just going to read it. He made you from dust. I was just going to say it sounded like there was somebody pro-recycling, and they tried to make a point for us to recycle because God recycled us out of dust. But anyway, all right, well, here's a positive one. Phil. Don't give up. That's a great statement to put on sign, right?

Yep. Moses was once a basket case. Yeah. I did that because we're in Hebrews and Jesus is greater than Moses. But anyway, I'd only have two more. So this was one I should have said earlier. I skipped over this one, but it said, I always remember that hell is just not

cool he's got a he's got a fair point jace okay screaming and hollering for mercy but too late yeah that ain't okay all right so here's the whole reason i read these this next one because this was long and you got to remember this is on a sign and you're driving it says honk if you love jesus no i think that's great yeah i like this i do too Then the next part says, texting while driving. Oh, no, hang on. Honk if you love Jesus. Text while driving if you want to meet him.

But here's my point. Aren't you doing the very thing that you're saying? Because you're reading this. It's caused a distraction. You've just made a text in a different form. Yep. Which is a danger, right? You need to be in park when you're.

you're reading the scriptures. So the last one I'm going to read is our sign broke, come inside for the message. And my point is, I just don't think that people are doing that. Well, here's my theory about signs. They're really put up there for the people that go there, that meet there. They come in and they say, oh, did Jim put that up there? I mean, it's more of a conversation piece. Is that what it is?

That's what it is. I mean, they, they, why are you just now telling me then? Well, that's just what I've always thought. I mean, they may say they're trying to do this for the community, but nobody's even paying attention. If they do, they just roll their eyes. But the people that go there, they're proud of it. I'm telling you.

I just don't, I don't get it. They wouldn't put it up there if they weren't. Is that right, is my theory probably right? I don't know. I got post-traumatic stress syndrome after that whole episode there. What do you mean? Just watching the interaction was interesting. It was about as hard as I've laughed.

Oh, very long time. I guess I've always viewed us as being called out from the world. And to be messengers, to be sent out, to be ambassadors, I feel like wherever we go, we're sharing Jesus. That was the way God has chosen to speak, not in some kind of informational, intellectual, or even a group-themed place, but he chose to speak to us through his son.

We hear about Jesus. We're moved not just with our emotions, but with our intellect and then our heart, which is what is most important to us. But in fairness, to Dad's point, I mean, Jesus himself mentions hell quite a bit. He does. I mean, it's terrible.

I'm not disagreeing with that. I believe hell is real and there's a real place, and people will go there. I'm with you, but I think the lead always has to be Jesus, who he is, why he came, why we follow him, and then you get into what you don't want to do, you know. But if you don't understand who he is, you're not going to understand why you would do anything different anyway. I mean, I think there's nothing wrong with hell or your death, getting your attention. You don't hear me any hellfire sermons anymore. I mean, when I was young, I mean, it got my attention.

I mean, because I thought, boy, I don't want to wind up there. But, you know, once I surrendered and experienced Jesus, it became much more about the good news. I kind of never liked the idea. I don't know what y'all think about this, but a lot of groups do this of, like, taking little kids and basically just making it so scary that they're like, you know, crying and I don't want to go. know, when they're very young, I just don't know. I just don't know psycho-logically. I know. I'm vehemently opposed to it. I never liked that. So anything I ever did, we never did that. I don't mind telling them stories and trying to aim them. But, you know, they hadn't gotten mature enough to even understand. While I'm trying to literally scare the hell out of them, they don't even have hell in them yet.

I mean, to, you know, it's an appropriate motivation to a degree, I fear is. And the fear of hell is a real, it's a real threat. And it's a, and, Phil said, you know, that to have a reverence for that, is. is a good thing. I don't think it's a sustaining thing with us. I think that we have to, I think what's going to sustain a believer is to see behold the beauty of God, you know. But there is warnings in scripture about hell. There's a lot of warnings about hell. And it's been pretty controversial probably. In our culture, you know, it's not popular to talk about hell because it's not, I mean, it is. It's a, it's a scary concept. But I think of, I think a balance to view, I think in the past maybe it was too much of a focus on hell,

not the redemption side of what in the hope in Christ and the beauty of who God is in his inner life. But maybe in the last 20 years, maybe we've gone too far the other way and we don't talk about that our God is a God who demands justice. And he is, the wrath of God is a real attribute, you know. I believe the text that says the fear of God is the beginning of wisdom. True.

It's a healthy thing. Right. If someone bigger than you and you're on the earth and he made it and he formed you in your mother's womb, you better listen to what he has to say. And that goes all the way back by law. You know, honor your father and mother, especially when it comes to scriptures. And we're going to talk quite a bit about that when we get to Hebrews 12. The idea there, though, I've always thought of that as like our relationship with you, dad.

I mean, we, I've feared you, I guess when I was younger, it was more because I didn't want to be disciplined, but I've realized through the years, I still have the same thing. But I'm not afraid of you physically doing something to me, but I had the respect I had that was earned when you were my father. But it was more out of love than I was just mortified to be in your presence. So I feel it's the same way of God. And now since you've raised your own children, you tend to get it. Well, exactly. And I have my own grandchildren. So the way I look at is I don't want to go to prison.

Do y'all? I mean, would y'all want to go to prison? Maybe stay there a couple of years. Under law, locked up until face should be revealed. So I don't want to do that. But that's not what motivates me to be a lawkeeper and not hurt people or steal. But it is in the back of your mind. It's there.

I mean, you know what I'm saying? Yeah, that's why we have the system we have. So I feel like it's kind of like that with this. I mean, my motivation, I'm not totally motivated by that, but it's there. You know, if you ever got in a situation, you weren't sure. I don't want to wind up in that situation at all. I mean, I think that's a fair point. But, I mean, I'm like, how about some, I mean, it's okay to be a little more positive.

I mean, I just don't think somebody's going to read that and pull. I'm not one person. Right. Zero. I think zero people will read that and pull in and say, you know what. No, I did it. But I'm not big on the sound bites in general. I think when we do these kind of, we want to reduce these complex conversations to sound bites.

Yeah, to me, that's like a, that's an old version of a sound bite. I'm going to put this up here and it's kind of a zinger. And it does come across. I think it can't come across as, as not loving and arrogant. Because when you read the warnings in scripture, I mean, read Paul's warnings. Read Paul's words in Romans 9. Paul's like, I mean, it's a strong warning in Romans chapter 9 for his own people. But he's, Paul's like, man, if I could be accursed for my own people, I would.

And so you see in the warning there is just saturated in love and compassion. You know, Paul, I mean, what's the word? Like there's like this, oh, I'm trying to think of the word. Not not a, it's a, it's a mourning almost. You know what I mean? It's like it shows the heart of God, I believe. God wants all of us to repent. He's not, you know, pining the sin of it.

He does us to me and heaven now. Let's take another break. He does the same thing, Zach, in Second Corinthians at the end of the book, because these guys are there and they're not good people and they're false teachers is what he calls them. But he's just pleading, you know, with the brothers there. Listen to what I'm telling you. But he says some pretty harsh stuff, you know, to try to get their attention. Y'all, I have to get ready because we're in Hebrews 10. Verse 26 says, if we deliberately keep on sinning after we see.

receive the knowledge of the truth. No sacrifice for sins is left, but only a fearful expectation of judgment and of raging fire that will consume the enemies of God. Well, that's why I brought this up. Yeah, we're going to have to,

when we get to there, you say, well, I think we're here. Yeah. Yes. I mean, what I was going to say, though, I'll tell you how quickly, I'm afraid of God. I love him, I respect him, but I fear him.

Yeah, well, I think that's healthy. I mean, I mean, I'm not arguing that, but what I'm saying is the context of Hebrews, see, I mean, the next two verses after that is kind of the point when he's... Actually, you have to go back. Well, we will, but I just want to, since he brought it up, but he said how much more, well, verse 28, anyone who rejected the law of Moses died without mercy on the,

testimony of two or three witnesses. Yep. How much more severely do you think a man deserves to be punished? And here's what I think is the key phrase, who has trampled the son of God underfoot, who has treated as an unholy, as an unholy thing, the blood of the covenant that sanctified him, and who has insulted the spirit of grace. I mean, this whole thing has been about the consequences of turning your back on Jesus. That's it.

And that's the key. So, I mean, I think if you put, because I've heard these sermons, you know, you know, back when I was young about like not meeting together, you know, because 25 said, let us not give up the meeting together. Some in the habit are doing. And this verse you just read, if we deliberately keep on sinning, well, it's like they get so detached from the whole book of what it was about, which was abandoning Jesus. I mean, trust me, if you abandoning Jesus.

Jesus, there's all sorts of problems of which one major one is what happens at the end of time. But I just think that was his point. He kept making it and illustrated it in different ways. But it kept coming back to, you have your old system versus Jesus. And if you kind of look at everything in that vein, I just think that would be more healthy. Well, yeah, this verse is connected, I think, to our discussion on Hebrews 6 because he's talking about a particular person here or type of person here. Correct. And he clarifies who it is.

He says who is trampled underfoot the Son of God and has regarded as unclean. He's regarding something as unclean. What is it? The blood of the covenant by which he was sanctified. So number one, we do know that the person. that he's talking about is someone who has been covered in covenantial blood. And if you think what is a covenant, that's that promise that we've talked about so much in scripture that he talks about, that God makes a covenant with us.

And he seals that covenant with blood going back to the Passover, then Jesus, of course, foreshadowing if Jesus is his blood. And that's the only blood that would do it. It's the only blood that would do it. So you receive this covenantial blood and this covenantial blood sanctifies. it sets this person apart. Yep. And this person has the Holy Spirit because you insult the Holy Spirit, the Spirit of Grace.

That's a capital lesson in my Bible. It's to take that and to have that and then to reject that. And I think this is what Jesus was talking about in Matthew 12 when he says that if you blaspheme, it says, I say to you, any sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven. but blasphemy against the Spirit shall not be forgiven. I think what he's talking about here, it's the ultimate rejection of God's revelation that comes from the Holy Spirit. It's to say, I've tasted the goodness of the Word of God and the heavenly age and the power with that whole Hebrew 6th passage.

I've tasted that. I've received that. And you know what? It's just not enough. I need more. And I think his point here is there ain't more. You've missed the boat. No, I agree.

There's nothing left for you, a fearful judgment. You know what it reminds me of when I was doing the youth ministry years ago? I mean, I did it for, I don't know how I can't even remember, 10 or 12 years. I just go up there because really nobody else wanted to. They're like, what's wrong with these people? I mean, when you're 12 to 17, it's just so difficult. What was amazing? What was so frustrating?

Speaking of this idea of focusing on Jesus and what that means, it's like they would be, some of them would be so depressed and so down. And just so you, I try to share things about Jesus. And they're like, yeah, I know that. Yeah, I know he died from my sins. And I mean, you know, I'm going to heaven and all this. But, I mean, I can't get a boyfriend. or it's like it's like they had the knowledge but it wasn't real and i feel that's kind of a little bit of what's going on because when you say we have focus on jesus but all of them knew all the

scriptures and but they haven't they hadn't given their heart to a point to where this crossed over into something that was directly affecting them it's like because they would just say the silliest things over and over. It's like, yeah, but I, and they would just have something going on at school. And somebody, it was just so, you're like, what? But that showed you that their most important thing in their life was their, their popularity and their friends. And it was just, Jesus, even though they had all that knowledge, and even you could get into the heaven and the hell. They know there's a heaven and a hell.

It doesn't matter. It was not something that they had become, you know, real, that had become real in their life. And so I guess my point is somehow, you know, through this letter to these people who were trying to come out of this system and focus on Jesus and in our own life, there's got to be a real connection where somehow it goes from the paper to the heart and the experience. and that's just what the difficulty is here. I mean, if y'all have ideas on how to do that. Well, I've got one. Let's take a break. Is compare the rich young ruler in Matthew 19 to Zakias and Luke 19.

You got two guys here. Both of them approached Jesus. One is what we would call a good guy. I mean, he was successful. I assumed he looked. good. He was wealthy. He kept the law by his own admission. Jesus asked him, he's like, oh, yeah, he's, everybody looks at him. He's great. He said, what do I like? He said, sell your stuff and follow me. So he was confronted. It got real there. It got real. And you know what it said?

He walked away, sadly, because it's a man of great well. That's why I did not go around telling people about Jesus when I first became a Christian. It took me a while, but I just noticed the more I spoke of him, the more persecution came my way. I started to be persecuting, persecuted for just pointing them to Jesus. And then start quoting Bible verses and all of a sudden people will start labeling you this and that and the other. With the persecution in my own life, the more I was persecuted, the more I knew I was on the right side of this. I said, I'm on the right side of this. I'm loving enough to tell them by Jesus and they're cursing me and doing unkind things. It helped me greatly. When I saw it, I said, anytime you're persecuted for something

for no reason, why would they do that? Well, then I began to understand. spiritual warfare and my fear of God and my love for God all started to meld together. And I said, the ones who love God, they also fear him. Because they're looking at people who reject them and their lives are just pathetic what they're doing. And they're saying, I don't want to hear what you have to say. I'm like, how's life going for you? They say it's the most miserable thing there is.

I mean, but there's a crossover is what I'm. I'm saying, that's a perfect example of that, Jay, it's because you were raised in a home for the first 18 years of your life. You heard about Jesus? Yeah. You didn't know him. That's right.

Fully, but you heard about him. That's right. Your family heard about him. See, that's what I think's going on here. Right. That's to Zach's point, when it goes back to Hebrew 6th, and everybody, you know, thinks, oh, it's controversy. I mean, this is saying a person can't come back if they, it's not, it's, there's a point

to where you're, you have just enough knowledge of, you know, God's plan and Jesus, but it's not real to you. That's right. And it wasn't real for dad, for 10 years later, to leave his 28, faced with loss. That is correct. Because you think about, you know, he talks about heart. You know, he wrote them on, you know, the laws on your heart. And all the scriptures talk about heart.

Heart really, because back then there was, you know, a big debate with the Greeks and the Romans, they had all these philosophies, you know, one group, the Epicureans and Stoics, all these groups. One of them's like it's all about emotions, you know, and your feelings and coming to deal. Then the other group's like, no, it's all about the mind and how you process. You have to suppress the emotions. And it's just when you look at all these philosophies through the history of the world, everyone's trying to process how we're supposed to approach life. And here's God coming in with this, talking about the heart.

When you look at the heart, you know, where your treasure is, there your heart will be. be also or that trust in the Lord with all your heart in the Bible it's usually centered around that's what you've put as first important your heart is about what you've decided to say you know what this is the most important thing which in i think in hebrews he's like god's message to you was speaking to you through the the most important thing first christmas 15 whatever is jesus his son And that's, to my point earlier, everybody that looked at this rich young ruler, Matthew 19, thought that his heart was where it should be, until he was confronted by Jesus that his heart really was about his wealth. Because he walked away from Jesus. He's like, I'm not giving up my stuff.

It so shocked the apostles, the disciples there, that they said, who then can be saved? They looked just like, if this guy can't make it. And Jesus, remember what he said? with man, this is impossible, but with God, all things are possible, meaning that without Jesus, it cannot be done. So let me finish my point. So you go to Luke 19, you see Zacharias, who's a tax collector, which means he was not loved by anyone, except maybe his family. He wanted to get a look at Jesus. He's very short. I'm imagining him being bald and fat, too, but that's just my imagination. He climbs up a tree to see Jesus. Jesus looks up and says, hey, I'm coming to your house.

day. You need to get down off that tree. I mean, he comes down. He welcomes them in his home. Jesus doesn't say anything to him about what he needs to do. And immediately, you know what he said? I'm going to give half of everything I have to the poor. And if I've cheated anybody, which I guarantee he had, I'm going to give them four times what I owe. Now, he just did that straight out of, I want to be with this man, Jesus. And Jesus said today's salvation has come to this man's house because he is the child of Abraham. So I love the kind of. contrast of those two hearts. One had everything it seemed like on earth you needed, but no Jesus. The other one had everything he needed, but decided Jesus was more. And I looked down at my conversion and then I said,

so what text was it you read? You said, good night. I'm all had to get away from these old boys I've been running with. No, that is the way it worked. When I came to Jesus, I concluded that the people I run with, I have to be very careful with how they roll. That's right. So all of a sudden, the ones that were calling about, let's go get drunk, high and late, or whatever, all of a sudden, my group, it's not those. It was the same ones that had just come to Jesus or their old-timers telling me what. I said, I want to get on a different path here.

But see, that's when it became real. I didn't read a verse. It said, get away from, you know, don't have nothing to do with them. I didn't read that. I knew I had to change who I ran with. That's my point about going back to the signs on the church buildings. I mean, what happened and to illustrate my point, when you read the Gospels and the book of Acts, the way Jesus interacted in his followers, and then you read the response in the book of Acts,

it just wasn't the model that we're projecting today. Like, there's a small group of people in here, or maybe even a large group. and, you know, we'll put an occasional message on a sign or whatever. It just doesn't seem like the same formula to me. It seems ritualistic instead of this real life change where you're meeting in homes and you're sharing what you have and all the believers have that Jesus central message not just in their mind, but just in their walk throughout, you know, their community. communities. I mean, that was just my take on it. I mean, I'm not against buildings and I'm not against

gathering and I get it. We do that. But just if you read the Gospels and the book of Acts, it just seemed a little more dynamic. Well, it does take our last way. Also, Jay's, wouldn't it be safe to say, it's pretty fair to say most people are led to Christ by people that love them. Yep. Whether it's somebody in your family, a friend, people like us. That's why Jesus said, we're doing this podcast. men don't know you by your life one another. Exactly. So that's what I was getting back to.

Even though those are correct statements, hell is hotter than it is. I mean, global warming is evidently something in hell's hotter. Okay, yeah. But I'm just saying most people, if not all, they're not going to sense love at all. They're like, oh, I mean, like, like Zach said earlier, it comes across as arrogant and not loving. Yeah, I don't think the Hebrew right. comes across that way at all. Not at all.

If you read where the, where this statement is located in, in the middle of great encouragement, and so, yeah, he drips these warnings in there. And too, let's keep in mind, I mean, I do think he is not, this is not something that I think that the, I don't think the Hebrew writer is writing this to, particularly in this part of Hebrews 10, this is not to someone who is just a reprobate. I mean, he's writing this to people who have experienced, um, the knowledge of truth. These are people who have under covenantial blood.

These are people who have been sanctified. These are people who possess the indwelling of the Holy Spirit. So these are not like just some guy, random joke riding down the street. This is a warning to somebody who has tasted in the goodness of God. That's why when he gives the warning in verse 32, he comes back with this three-letter word. It is very important. It's B-U-T. But.

but remember the former days when after being enlightened you endured a great conflict and suffering, partly being made a public spectacle, to Phil's point earlier, about the persecution through reproaches and tribulations and partly by becoming sharers with those who were so treated. For you showed sympathy to prisoners and accepted joyfully the seizure of your property, knowing that you have for yourselves a better possession. So here's the lifting of. a lasting one. Therefore, do not throw away your confidence, which has great reward for you have need of endurance so that when you have done the will of God, you may receive what was promised. And then he basically,

when we move into Hebrews 11, he's going to double down on what that promise is and this call to, hey, it's going to be tough. But he's talking to believers here. I mean, I think we've got to, I mean, this is a, it's a different context than saying putting on a sign where just everybody's coming down the street reading and these people had some kind of knowledge. First thing my buddies told me was when they showed up after about, I was converted about a year, the first thing that came out of their mouths, you're on some kind of, don't tell us, you're on one of these religious kicks. That's the way they framed it.

I remember the wordage. You're on some kind of religious kick. I said, I think it's more than that. I said, the one y'all are looking for. he died he died and he's been buried and he's gone well they all looked at each other I said man they roll their eyes there I go so we're talking to this is the new you I said you got him this is the new me I said I'm not going anywhere with y'all hit the road I did convert one 12 years later he said man you're still there I said I'm still there he said I want to hear the story

you tell me the reason he did that because the doctor told him he could die at any point with an aneurysm near his heart. You see what I'm saying? Yep. So when death came his way, he said, tell me about this Jesus. What exactly he wanted to know then? Yeah. Well, I preach the gospel to him, baptized him, and he fell dead two months later. And that's what I'm saying. It confronts, when something confronts your heart in life, then you're ready to have the discussion. I mean, that's my point. But I think this, I think this hits at this issue. that Jason is bringing up a lot. I agree with your point on this.

We got to understand that the heart is something that has to be tended to like anything else. And I think the warning here, it's not. The warning is not, hey, watch out. If you send too much, God's going to kick you out. That's not the warning. The warning is like, I mean, you've got to prepare your heart. You've got to give your heart to Jesus. This is not just an intellectual assent.

It's not just the reception of knowledge. It's more. God wants to transform your heart. And that's why the appeal, if you read kind of the context, and you can kind of see in the Hebrew writer's psyche of his motivation, it's an appeal to bring your heart into this. Now, my love of God is more powerful to me than my fear of God. Well, thank you.

I want to just to look, to go back to your point, Zay, in Hebrews 10, when he says, I'll put my laws in their hearts and write them on to mine 16. but then he says, you know, he's quote from Jeremiah 31, their sins and lawless acts, I remember no more. Well, what's the whole previous section talking about? He's talking about, you know, one through four of chapter 10 saying, this is why what the law and its sacrifice cannot do. It cannot cleanse your conscience from the guilt of your sin.

Well, then when he gets to about verse 10 through the end, he's saying, but Jesus did that. Well, think about it in real life. What is the hardest thing for even Christians to wrap their head around? That they've been forgiven completely. I mean, if it's hard for the believers to wrap your head around that. So that's why when it gets down to, you know, the churches we were kind of throwing under the bus here with these signs, when it says, if we deliberately keep on sin and after we receive knowledge of the truth.

But that's coming off the fact that it's hard for people to get in their mind the grace of God. It's just hard to do. I mean, he's like, Jesus cleans my conscience completely, 100%, no matter what I did. I know I've had many conversations of people in the church who say, I just can't believe that. And I think that's why you see the consequences of that. Because if you can't believe that, what's your alternative? And think about this. Look at the verse 18, though.

Tie 18 to 26 directly. right after you read that, you remember their sins no more. And where these have been forgiven, he said, there is no longer any sacrifice for sin. What's he talking about? He's talking about no more bulls and goats,

no more going in with the blood, all that. Now drop down 26th. If we deliberately keep on sitting after we receive the knowledge of truth, no sacrifice for sins is left. He makes the same statement. What that means is,

you can't be forgiven under the old system. Yeah. Without Jesus, it will not work. You want me to give you a really, Billy cool Greek reference. You know, I look up these Greek words that are used in unusual ways. So this is the perfect lead-in because you're going to be, this is one of those moments.

Well, you want to do that on the next time? No, we got two minutes. I want to do it because look. All right, I don't want to jump on any time. This is called bringing it home. And we're going to unpack it in the overtime. In 10-3, listen to this. It says these sacrifices are an annual reminder of sins because it's impossible.

for the blood of bulls and goats to take away sin. So they were doing these sacrifices. But you see that word reminder. These sacrifices are an annual, the word reminder there. It's the same Greek word that is used in Luke 22, 19, 1 Corinthians 1124. Do you know what those are in reference to? When the Lord said, do this in remembrance of me. Same word.

So this one, it's impossible. But with Jesus, oh, it's possible. Yep. And I mean, when I saw that, when I saw that, I thought, oh, wow. Because why? Because it's hard for us to wrap our head around being completely forgiven. That's why the Lord, it was his idea, not ours. He instituted the Lord's supper.

What do we do when we take the Lord's supper? We try to deal with the fact that, yes, Jesus is so awesome. We need his blood. We have gone. And you want to put a. put a sign or put a message on your sign outside of your church building put from guilt to grace. Yeah. Try that.

I gave a lesson on what you're talking about yesterday. I sure it is. Same thing. All right. We need to hear more about that lesson in our overtime. Jason just dropped the mic. Now we've got to pick it up. I knew that was going to be good.

I saved it for last. You literally saved it for the last seconds of the bucket. Very good, Jason. You're learning. All right. So if you want to follow us over to the overtime as Blasey. We'll talk a little bit more about this. Thanks for listening to the Unashamed podcast.

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