Unashamed with the Robertson Family - Ep 526 | Phil Rages at the Drug Destroying Young Lives & Missy Catches Jase White-Handed

Episode Date: August 8, 2022

Kyle Thompson of the "Undaunted Life" podcast joins the studio to discuss problematic worldviews and why men should strive to have reverence and fear of the Lord. Phil talks about the drug that is responsible for a stunning number of deaths and how it's destroying young American lives. Jase tells a funny story about getting carried away with a family-sized bag of Missy's powdered donuts. Al talks about his granddaughter and her jiu-jitsu skills. Watch the Unashamed overtime show, only on BlazeTV: https://BlazeTV.com/Unashamed - Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

I am unashamed. What about you? So we're excited today. We're welcome back an old friend. I looked in the notes, Kyle, so it was almost exactly to the week. Yeah. About a year ago, we had you on the podcast. This, Kyle wasn't here. You weren't here. You were in my replacement. I sat in your chair. It was really, it was still warm, which was weird. So I don't know about that. Did you talk more than normal when you sat here? No, I just interrupted more than normal. So that's what I did. I was like, I have to fulfill the interruption chair. Larry Bowles says it's the chair

too. I don't know what it is. It's the chair. All right, we've discovered it's the chair. So Unashamed Wichael, don't get mad at Jay. Let's get mad at the chair. Kyle Thompson, who has a podcast called The Undaunted Life, is that correct? Undaunted Life

A Man's Podcast. There you go. And a lot of you guys have seen it when Kyle was on before and crossed over. Because our audience is more male than female, and yours is almost all male. You said 90% maybe. Yeah. That even is representing. Look at that. Yeah. No, he's got a symbol there. What he got to do is. Yeah, tell us about the symbol. Yeah. So the long story short is, is whenever I was learning how to become a man, I was also learning how to become a Christian, right? So around the age of 13 or whatever.

And so I felt like all the manly men were outside the church doing man stuff and all the godly men were inside the church with their, you know, pleaded pants and they're, I'll pray for your brothers, which is fine. Like, I'm not, I'm not getting after anybody, I guess. You're going to fit in nicely here. Today's culture. But the thing about it is, is I felt like there was this over-emphasis on the Lamb of God to the detriment and complete ignoring of the lion of Judah. And I didn't have the words for it at the time, but it's like, okay, you're not going to understand the totality of Christ if you understand him as only grace or only Lamb. You have to understand him as truth, and you have to understand him as

lion. And so part of the thing with the logo is I just I think it's awesome shout to my boy Joel Joel Uber who put that together for us. But it's, uh, I sign off every episode with and keep seeking the lion of Judah. And that's just because it's like the pendulum has swung so far to the lamb side that there are guys, especially guys that, you know, maybe the great stuff doesn't really make sense. Like the emotive music doesn't really make sense to them. It's, it's the war, the war God. And it's, you know, the judgment of God and the fear of God. Like that's the stuff that kind of jives with them more. So that's the reason for the logo. And I mean, we got people, I got another picture over the weekend. Guy got it tattooed on them. And so like the people, people enjoy the logo,

but it's really like, guys, it's like, don't just focus on the line either. Like, but again, you have to focus on both. And we talked about that even in our Hebrew study, the way we framed it. I like that. I like the lamb and the lion because we framed it as the king and the priest. Same concept. You got the tribe of Levi, which was the priesthood. Jesus was the perfect sacrifice, the Lamb of God. But he's also the king. Right. He's the. the lion. He's the ruler. And when he came to Earth, you and I were talking about this last night, he showed a lot of himself in this role, even while he was here. You talked about two or three examples. One was the cleansing of the temple. I mean, that wasn't a passive, a docile, lamb-like

event. It's a balance. I mean, you got, you don't, look at, to me, look at the extreme. You don't have a sign on a road saying the end is near, you know, turn or burn. Yeah. And you don't want to be out front of the... You think it's hot here. All right. Yeah. I'm sure I've gotten some emails about that.

And you don't want to be like outside of church people and say, it's okay, buddy, it's okay. Everything's fine. Everything's great. So, I mean, I think that's the two extremes and... So last night, so Kyle got in yesterday. So he mentioned something about a steak. I said, I'll take you out to eat my favorite steak place. So we went to Dozee Place, which is one of my favorites here in town.

And so I kind of, you know, he was like, he was waiting for us to order to see how big to go. But I knew, you know, I was like, I bet this guy can eat, you know. And he's not a huge guy, but he's muscle, you know. I thought, this guy could. So I started goading. And they have a state there. That's a steak for two. So 32-ounce bone and rib.

Oh, I've had it. Yeah. And it's, you get four sides and two sides. because it's meant for two people, but I was like... Yeah, I got a box after it was over. Hey, no box. See, the box would have only had like cauliflower or carrots in it. And so it's like all the stuff that needed to be eaten right then and there was destroyed.

It was impressive. It reminded me of Trent Langhofer. We had Trent O'Four. I mean, I guess guys that work out a lot can eat a lot. That's just the bottom ones. Did you not eat the sides? Did you eat the sides as well? He had the high carb sides.

Yeah, so I ate the mac and cheese and the baked potato. But I didn't find any room for the green beans. And that's the thing is like I will just eat a bowl of green beans by themselves. So it's like I'm not anti-vegetable, but it's like there is an order of operations here. It's like I need to focus on this bicycle seat of meat first and make sure that that gets down. But I'll tell you, like I told everybody like if they wanted if they wanted dessert, I was ready. Like I have a separate stomach for pudding and cake and, you know, cobbler and all that stuff. So, you know, I was good to go, I guess.

I was impressed. It was like, okay, this is going to be fun. And so then, so we get down here, Dad, so I mentioned on the Helix ad yesterday that your Helix mattress has arrived. So it's been sitting in front of my house. Jay was supposed to bring it down here. So they ship it in a box, you know, and you think, well, that can't be a mattress. I was trying to figure out how you get a mattress that would fit on a bed for your woman and yourself in a pickup truck in the back of the truck. Without looking like a big mattress, right, going down the road with a strap over.

the bed of a pickup truck is not big enough to hold them at so how is that in a box so i picked that so i backed my truck up to it and i was like i moved i was like whoa so i just put it against the truck and i had enough to lift it up and get it in the trouble and i was coming out here and i thought i you know i i got elbow problems this this is i can't be the other half of this two-man job so i thought about kyle be here today i said they put me to work immediately i said Kyle i got a job for you he said where you got you fed me a steak last night so i put him and d'allie and d'allie and d'all hand. Do I remove the existing...

Tell him the... He knew the science of it. Yeah, so basically, I mean, this box looks like, you know, it has a small Christmas tree in it, not a king-sized mattress. But I guess it's like NASA technology, but how they store it. And, like, they basically shrink wrap it. And the moment it starts to hit air, it'll start to inflate. And so there's like two or three, you know, wrapping of plastic.

So we get through the door before this... Yeah. So we went over to the house. And so you got a new nap spot whenever you get back to the house. But we took the old mattress, put it in a different room. But literally right on top of the box spring, we start taking the plastic off. And you can literally hear it go after the first layer of plastic. And then the second layer.

It's like the movie when the Chevy Chase cut down the Christmas tree and they had it tied up and they had on top of it. And then when he got it in there, you could hear the ropes, the tension. And when he cut it, it busted out all the windows, staff went everywhere. So the guy that was helping, he goes, hey, so we just cut into this? Is this going to kind of, I was like, look, there would be way too many lawsuits of this thing just like exploded into the room or whatever. And so no, it's like, it's a slow, it's kind of like slowly, slowly, slowly. And then kind of all at once three or four seconds later, you got a king size mattress. Boom, right there.

Which is pretty amazing. Modern technology, Phil. You are here to see it. Yeah. I'm slow to learn on high tech equipment. Yeah. Miss Kay was a little too comfortable in her seat. She didn't want to come see the science experiment we were doing in the bedroom.

but, you know, she was like, no, I trust you. It's fine. I was like, you got to miss him. She's swatting bumblebee and tendons are tearing loose from her fingers. She has an injury. Well, we ate stakes last night. I should have just came down. Well, we were having a meeting over our metal detectors.

You know, we're doing that event this week, which I guess we would already done it by the time this run. So I walk into Jep's house and I could only. see probably three to five feet in front of me. It was like a fog advisory in his house. So he had these stakes that were huge. Some of them were huge. And he had the fire wide open on the stove. He was doing like a seer.

It was a sear. But I was like, well, there's no way these things are going to be done. What I found out later. Of course, about every couple minutes, the fire alarm would go off. And it was so loud. Kids start crying, dogs barking, and the cats going, wha-la-ha! So there's nothing that sets the tone for a meeting better,

a dinner meeting, then everybody's screaming and hollering. The babies were crying. I mean, I just thought, this reminds me of my childhood, you know. And Missy's like, this can't be good. And Jeff's like, this will be the best. Thank you every eight. So Jep had done something that I thought,

was weird because I was feeling not good about this. He took the stakes and had them like in a bag and he boiled them in some kind of water. Suvi. You've seen that? Yeah. It's a thing. Well, he's telling him, I was like, I don't know. That just didn't seem like a good thing.

But so then he takes them out. Then he gets the fire as hot as it can go and ruin two black cast iron spilets. I've never seen smoke come out of a business. kill it like. You couldn't see. People are coughing. They opened all the doors, all the windows. But was it stay good?

I was good. I was good. I was good. I was, I will admit. When I took that, you know, I was crying. But I was literally crying. Yeah. When I put it in my mouth, I thought, it's worth it.

It was a moment because everybody was crying because it was so good. But, and the smoke was, you know, in our lungs. So the steaks we had last night were prepared the same way because that's the way they do it now. So you get it up to the- Oh, they did the same thing. They all do it. They get it up to temp. And all you're doing is putting a sear on the outside with that last step. They put them in the bowl and water? Yeah.

Well, you either do that or like whenever I'm doing a thick steak, I'll put it in my oven on convection, which the heat is all around as opposed to just from the bottom. And so I'll bring it up slowly to like 100 degrees or something like that. But then I'll put it on a cast iron skill. as high as it can be, and there will be butter and garlic and time and all that in there. And so 30, 45 seconds on one side, 34 to five seconds on the other, take it off. Well, he probably left it a couple minutes, I mean, but. There's more than one way to get it to temp, but that's one way now that they do.

And it just gets it where it needs to be. But yeah, that's a, because you think about a house, would you prepare stakes for a bunch of people at one time unless you had them ready to roll? Right. I mean, it was so funny because then I was like, how did you do it? Well, then all of a sudden, I got the information later, you know, the exact information. information. But Missy's like, what's wrong with y'all? Because I mean, she's looking around. Like, why would you go through all that? I was like, because it was so good. She's like, yeah, I know, but it's not worth it. I can't see. The kids are all just crying. Once it hits your lips,

it didn't matter. All that went away. It was all worth. That just may, I mean, I'm like, and I tried to segue into, babe, that's, this is Hebrews. This is, we're in the wilderness. We're complaining. We're in misery. And then you're like, oh, wait, manna from heaven. And quail. That's right. And fresh quail.

But that didn't worry. She was already bitter because about two nights before, because you know how I love her beans and rice and Mexican cornbread. And so I didn't eat all day because I knew she was cooking that. And I mean, it's not, when you think beans and rice, you're like, oh, I mean, what's the big deal? But you've had it. I mean, there's something, she's got it down here. There's, there's a lot of little subtleties. That's the beans I grew up.

Amenities and, yeah. I mean, you got ham and hot jalapeno sausage, you know, as in with the beans and rice. And then this cornbread just takes on. It's got bacon on one side and cheese on the other. Cornbread in the middle. Oh, it's something with a few jalapenos. And that's available for after this or not? So I go in there and eat way too.

much because I hadn't eaten anything all day. So it calls me just to immediately go lay down and sleep for two hours on the cup. So I'll wake up now. I'm just kind of rummed on. Jason is now portraying the good life. Yeah. But look, but I wanted something. Life is good.

I wanted something sweet, but we don't eat sweets and I usually don't eat sweet. But you know when you sleep so hard, you wake up and you're actually hungrier then. Yep. And so I go in there, well, look, and my wife has bought a bag of white powdered donut. I mean, she hadn't done that. She just went to the grocery store. I mean, I remember our childhood. You love those butter white donut, but I told her.

We all had to fight over them, you know, because you only got one bag and they had to divvy them up. So I told her a couple years ago, quit buying those because I can't, I mean, I just, you know, you reach an age where you can't control it. But there they were. Hang on, let's take a break. So I opened the bag. So about the time she runs, comes around the corner. I'm eating the last one. And so we're talking the big bag, not like a tube.

We're talking about the big. I'd say there's at least. That can be good for you. No, it wasn't. Because now I've laid down for another reason. So, but what's so funny is because she's like, I mean, there's something wrong with you. How could a person? I was like, you bought them.

You're the one that put this in. in front of me. Get behind me, Satan. Yeah, and I'm like, you make the beans and rice, you make the cornbread, I gorge myself, I fall asleep, then I look up, and you now have a bag of white donut just right there. And you know I love them. And the problem was when I ate the first one, they were fresh. They were so fresh to just melt it in my mouth.

Could you tie that into heaven because Jesus, one of the things he did when he was resurrected, he's in a resurrected body, it can go through walls. And he orders some fish, and he eats the fish. Well, he didn't order it. He just went and got it. Is that a hint that there will be the partaking of food in heaven? I hope so. He's in a glorified state.

No, I believe it, Bill. I hope so. I've thought about that verse more than once. Why in the world? Okay, one, I see the miracle because they didn't know who he was, and then they were a little unsure, but it was his third appearance. I mean, John Twenties, and it actually. And it actually goes in with Hebrews because when he talks about, y'all believe because you see,

but blessed are those who believe and they don't see. I mean, it's a powerful moment. But in that moment, I thought, why is he eating that fish? Because you think about once he was resurrected, he has an imperishable body. And he still has it. I mean, he left here with it. So he's not eating fish for sustenance. Why is he eating it?

for pleasure. I mean, I've heard pastors talk about that before. It's like, think about how cool taste buds are. Like, the fact that we can eat meat and it's, it's savory and also it, you know, it sustains us and all those different things. Like, that is a blessing of God. So why, why would we not have that same blessing? You know? We're built the worth of flavors themselves. You're getting the flavors out of it the way your tongue is built. Then I guess, you know, what department in saltwater created that. That's, that's why, that was what. That was what. What was so satanic about the coronavirus is that first round of it, it was taking away people's taste and smell. Yeah, that is true.

That is weird. That is bad. I mean, that's, without taste and smell, it's a pretty tough life. I mean, luckily, for most people, it was temporary. Although, you don't know a couple of people here local, it's been a year and a half. It's still never been right again. Certain things like Lori at the church, she can't drink coffee now. It makes her sick.

Physically, I mean, she gets sick. And ever since coronavirus, isn't that crazy? That is crazy. I know, which I've always thought it was because it was engineered. What do I know? So I want to talk a little bit for me, because I want to get into Hebrews, because you were listening to our last podcast here, and you had some really good thoughts. I was, all right, we're going to get back into Hebrews.

But before we do that, I want to talk a little bit about your podcast. And I did this last time, I think you were on, but I want to do it again because Jace wasn't here. But your mission statement on your website says, undaunted life equips men to push back darkness with content that forges spiritual, mental, and physical resilience, which I thought was really a great statement. So talk a little bit about kind of what you do. I mean, I know she had a lot of different guests on, kind of what's your format, because I want folks from Unashamed audience to check out your pocket.

Yeah, well, we'd love to have you guys over there. So I have a lot of different guests. So Phil's been on the show before. And so, you know, if I feel like they're going to be interesting to my, you know, 85, 90% male audience, I'll have them on. And whether they're believers or not, now I will share the gospel with them if they're not and I'll engage them in a way that is, you know, fruitful, not only for the audience to hear, but for that person to hear. But equipping men to push back darkness. The thing is, is we all like to lament the darkness that we see in culture, but most men, at least my contention is,

is that they have no idea how to push back against it. And part of it is because they're not being equipped to, right? So whether that's their pastor that's not equipping them, whether they're not equipping themselves. So they want to be able to push back on the abortion issue. but a pro-abortion person says, well, what if she's raped or what if it's incest? And all of a sudden, their pro-life foundations just crumbled to the floor. It's like, that's not unfortunate. That's unacceptable. And so men need to be equipped to be able to do that.

But also, a lot of men kind of live in their own little world, right? So their world is fantasy football or it's golf or it's, you know, even in Christian circles. Like, they will read the Bible and then nothing else. And so when they try to push back in the darkness of culture, they don't understand culture. And so, like, you know you should be mad about critical race theory in your kids, you know, elementary school, but you don't know where critical race theory comes from. You don't understand that it comes from critical legal studies and critical theory in the Frankfurt School and Karl Marx and all these different ideologies because you can lament, you know, why do we live in this world where there's this untruth that's being spoken all the time? Well, we live in a postmodernism type of culture where truth is considered to be relative. And so I try to in a digestible way help guys, whether it's through interviews or whether it's through just. me, you know, flowing for 45 minutes to an hour to understand these different topics so that when it comes up, not that they can dunk on somebody and like, I'm going to win this argument because Kyle taught me how. It's like, no, no, no, if you're going to engage with things, truth is important.

But if you don't know what the truth is and if you don't know how to bring people towards it with logic or reasoning or your argumentation, it's kind of rough. And then just real quickly on spiritual, mental, physical resilience, everyone likes to talk about strength. You know, strength is really fun and like, oh, this guy did a strong thing. But strength wanes over time. we were just talking about that, you know, off air, like your body changes over time, like you're not as strong as you once were or whatever the situation is. But one thing you can be until your dying days, you can be resilient. Resilient is the ability to bounce back, right? It's the ability to respond whenever, you know, you're being pushed upon, right? And so all these different ministries and

everything likes to focus on strength, strength, strength. It's like, no, no, no, it's resilience. Because your strength will wane, no matter what, spiritually, mentally, physically, you will run aground at some point. And you've got to have the ability to bounce back because it's what's required of us. So you're a jujitsu guy like Stone, and you're a purple belt that you just achieved that. And I wondered when you're just saying that, you think that's one of the things that drew you to that? Talking about the idea of resilience, because that's really kind of the heart of that discipline, right? Yeah, so with jujitsu, for those of you not familiar, it's basically wrestling with submissions. That's kind of the easiest way.

So you're not getting brain damage by taking a bunch of shots of the head or whatever. Although that's also fun. But with jujitsu is the only people that stick around in that sport, are people that are okay with constantly being humbled. Because if you walk in there super prideful, like, ah, you know, I'm God's gift to athletics. I'm just going to go in here and throw a bunch of people around. No, you're not.

No, you're not. It's not going to work. Like you, when somebody walks in on their first day and they go with somebody that's, you know, purple, brown, black belt, it's like handing them a baby. It's like they know nothing. Like they can't defend themselves. And so some people can't take that. And so they'll train for a couple of weeks and then they'll go back and do something else

because they can't stand to constantly get pounded on and to constantly make mistakes. and because, you know, we're simulating real violence, right? Because if this were on the street, you don't tap, right? Like, you know, they broke your arm or they passed you out cold, right? But that's the thing is that sport is the only way you come back into the gym the next day is if you're focused on your resilience because you're going to be beaten up, you're going to be injured. There's a lot of things that could happen to you. But it's the ability to bounce back and kind of constantly grind.

Like, that's where that's where that toughness comes from. And it's more than physical, certainly. So I watched it last night. Stone said, I broke a, broke a. Well, Stone's finding out at 46, there's a lot of difference than being 34. Brocarea, very yesterday in training. Yeah, but Phil Stone first got into boxing. Right.

And the reason he got into what you are talking about now, what's it called? Jiu-Jitsu. J-Jitsu is because, you know, he was a sparring, he had a sparring match, and he was all nervous about it. He was talking to me before he went up there. So when I saw him, I mean, he was, after the match, he was, barely moving around and I said well how'd it go and he said I got destroyed and uh he said you know they kept tabs of the punches and it was like 300 because I kept pressing him for how many he landed he said it was like 321 to 23 I said 321 to 23 that wasn't a sparring session

that was a beat down you were a punching bag he was moving so slowly yeah So that's what sent him packing on the box. Because to your point, if you keep doing this, there's going to be no bouncing back. Your eyes are going to close and you're going to go bye-bye, even with pads on and the pads on your face. Well, the thing with boxing is it's almost impossible to go full bore in practice because of the potential for brain damage or permanent injury. But in jiu-jitsu, you can go as hard as you possibly want to. That's what he said. Right.

And so it's like, and then you just tap. And as long as you're not training with a jerk, like, they'll, let you go. And so, like, that's this kind of the thing. But if you're training, you know, Moytai kickboxing, boxing, you know, those types of things like those disciplines basically require you to take a lot of those shots in order for you to understand how to move your head off the center line and all these, all these different things. But I saw it last night, which was interesting. Let's take another break, which was interesting because Sage, my Stone's youngest daughter, she's seven years old, little frisky, you call her

dad. So, and she apparently, she's got a pretty good little, just natural ability in jujitsu. I mean, she rolls and no boy can keep up. Everybody her age, boy girl doesn't matter. She's dominated. Of course, you know, Stone loves it because it's your kid. And, you know, he's thick and she's, boy, she's got a, she's got quite the spark. Yeah, she comes in. And what's the thing she was wearing?

What's that called? She was wearing a rash guard. All right, rash car. So she comes in. And so she had just been to practice and she comes in. So, you know, she hadn't met Kyle yet. You know, he's a purple bat, which is, you know, pretty high. their rankings there.

But he starts telling her, come put me in a hole. So she comes behind him and do this. And he's giving her some instruction. I'm watching this. And of course, she's seven years old. And he's 34, you know, and well-built man.

But when she got the thing, all of a sudden, his face just turned as red as his cup. And I'm watching it. Which isn't that, you know, because I'm a ginger. And so that just happens normally, like, whenever I'm just operating.

But the thing that was cool about that is like, she's, you know, she's got her little arms. She's got her wrapped her. my neck, but I'm still coaching her as she's slowly separating me from my consciousness. And so it's like, I'm having to like walk her through. Yeah, yeah, just put your hand right there.

And yeah, just squeeze, squeeze. But like, that's the thing. It was a cool moment for her. It was great. And I, because I hadn't been to the gym. And so then he taps her arm, which they train them early when the tap comes. You back off because you're training it. But she, when she first started, Carly's boyfriend, Joey.

He's 17 years old. Well, he's just down there watching them. You know, he's thinking about doing it. Well, Sage comes up behind him and puts him in the same hole, but he doesn't know about tapping. So he just, whoop, he's out. I mean, she just, he passed, smooth out, 17-year-old buck. But that can prove out as it turns out, it can turn out to be a very helpful thing.

Well, especially if she's dating a guy when she's 16 and she's like, no. And the next thing you know, he's looking up at stars. What just happened? I mean, I do like it for that reason. And they do self-defense classes. There's a lot of local law enforcement that are part of this. And Jay and Martinez have this gym in school. So it's a really good deal.

So I had forgotten that you were a jitza guy until we got to talking about last night. But I understand the idea of it, especially with sort of your spiritual mission and what you're doing as well, which is really good. So anyway, we're glad you're here. So I want to get back to Hebrews because you had a good quote before we came on, because Zach had the Chester where he was talking about the idea of unreality that he made. But you had a muggeridge, which that's not quite a contemporary. He's a little bit later than Chesterton. But you had an interesting quote.

So set that up and that'll get us back into the text. Yeah. So when I was listening to y'all talk about Hebrews 11 and you're talking about being able to accept truth, I remembered last summer when y'all were going through Romans. And so Romans won, verse 22, claiming to be wise, they became fools. So I remember writing this in my in my note Bible last year, but it's a Malcolm Muggeridge quote. And it's until at last having educated himself into imbecility and polluted and drugged himself into stupefication, he killed over a weary, battered old bronosaurus and became extinct. But the big thing, and I wrote it in like literally different color, educated himself into imbecility.

And so that's kind of where we are in this culture to where it's like we don't want to rest on the scripture where the story. scripture because like you know scripture can't tell you you know where you should eat for lunch today or who the 12th president of the united states was but there are a lot of things scripture can inform for us in terms of our worldview but even christians we want to look outside of it first and backfill it with scripture and maybe maybe we've learned that from pastors that are basically doing ted talks with a few bible verses sprinkled on top and the problem with that approach is when you're not exegeting the scripture when you're not really digging into the word and like what is the word telling us now you're isogeating you're basically trying to make it say what you wanted to say yeah because again again, we've educated ourselves in imbecility. We think we're so smart. And yet we can't tell you what a woman is. We can't, you know, tell you why you should, you know, do this in life as opposed to that. And it's because we're going outside of the moral dictates of God because we think we're so smart.

And isn't that interesting that you brought that up? I'm so glad you did. That that question now is being asked almost in every congressional hearing or whatever. So these people in the most in the Biden administration, they say, can you define what a woman is? it's amazing. Yeah. They can, though. They can.

What's what you were talking about, I think Jason, the O.T. Believe in the lie. Where it's like, they know, but they don't want to admit that they know. Yeah, and I think that's why when you start believing a lie long enough, it becomes some sort of truth to you. Yeah, and you'll defend it. That's why I said the education system, because you, I'm seeing, you know, what's coming out of these college systems. My acquired daughter from Nicaragua, I mean, I just, I would. just see some of the stuff that was that was going through there and I was like really but you know I

I mean I think it's a valid point what's crazy to me is our last podcast I brought up the same thing about people preaching in a way that's like God is going to do me a favor and help me be the best I can be he's going to improve me and what what you call it isa Jesus yeah I said of exegesis yeah it's like you insert yourself into the situation and somehow find out what's best for you. Well, because you know the Bible's about us, right? Yeah. That's the whole point of the Bible. The Bible's about me.

Like, I am David in the story of David and Goliath, right? Like, obviously, I'm the point. And so, but the thing is- And my pronouns are. Yeah, we live in this modern, like, therapeutic culture. I didn't realize that just up until the last couple weeks ago. I mean, I just really didn't see that connection being made in the churches until all of a sudden I'm just everywhere I look.

It seems to be that's what's happening. And which is disturbing. And I say we in a big quotes, but have been so ineffective in really impacting our culture for something better than it is. When it's like when preachers and pastors, people that are building churches, they're doing everything they can to make their church seem like the culture. Right. So the first song of the worship set is a secular song where they add a few Bible verses on the screen while they sing. it and they try to make everything man friendly and super approachable and you know there's some some arguments we could get into that are positive for that but the whole point is that you need to require

everything of people in order for them to become a Christian but we try to make the barrier to entry so small like hey just you know just hop over this little bitty little bitty hill and then then we'll let you in and it'll be fine and it's like the the churches that are dying on the vine are the ones that are making it too simple and too easy for people to just come in and not change their life at all, but that's like, Christ doesn't give us that option. Like, your entire life has to be redirected and pointed in the direction of Christ. And so the church should require a lot of people. We were talking about Jordan Peterson off there before this. Like, that's what he, his message to these Christian churches is like, don't require a little of these young men, require everything, because that's

something a little, a little young man can get behind. Like, you know, you know, when, when you're, we have a general that's trying to lead you into battle or something like that. You're not saying, hey, you know, come with me over to Normandy. We'll just see what happens. Right? We'll just kind of like, you know, once we get to the beach, we'll kind of figure it out. And if it gets a little sketchy, we'll just, we'll leave. You know, it's no big deal, right? Like, no, these boys hopped off their farms in middle America and they were sent over to Europe

because there was something that they were called to that was way bigger than them. Yeah. And when they got off and were shot to pieces, they kept going. Right. Until they conquered the hill. During that particular time frame, these United States was a lot more spiritual nation, faith in God. Absolutely. And they are now.

Right. Because when I looked up at there on that, walked out on that Omaha Beach and looked over to the bluffs, I'd say about a quarter, less than a quarter, they had to go from right here to the base of that and scale that. I thought you would have had to have been, the fear of God was with you and the love of God had to be with you when you said, all right, here we go. Well, you get up on the top of that thing where they told. old France just give us room here for our dead and the crosses just go out of sight up on top of that hill you know it's big pot mark big holes with them bombs hit but anyway all them and it's you know Alabama you know New York you know every state yeah you know some of them it said no no can't couldn't find out I didn't have enough to yeah I know where where he came from

or whatever, you know, only God knows. But it was an eye-opened-as-eyed, by the way. Hang on, Dad, before you read that, let's take another break. We tend to forget, in any culture, we tend to forget the ravages of sin. And that Romans 1, it goes on to say, other words, the exchange the glory of God, verse 23, for the immortal God, for images made to look like mortal man, birds, animals, reptiles, they bow down to them. Therefore, God gave them over to the sinful desires of their hearts for sexual impurity.

And it mentions, you know, same sex, males having sex with males, female with females, women abandoned natural relations for unnatural ones. Just look at this. Men abandoned natural relations with women were in flame with lust for one another. Men committed indecent acts with other men, and they received in themselves the due penalty for their perversion. Well, in the real world, though, when there's a lot of immorality, especially in the sexual nature, it's not just that. It usually goes along with drunkenness and drugs and these wild parties. And for people to say that that's not going on, there's not telling the truth.

Right. That's what, that's the bulk of that. One little bitty peel and you take it and over 100,000 last year from 18 to 25, you're like, do what? one pill, fentanyl. Right. I mean, over 100,000. Right. It's the leading cause of death for Americans, age 18 to 45 or something like that. These young folks that you work with, I mean, there's Romans 1 all the way down to chapter 3.

Finally, the doctrine of condemnation is what a lot of them call it, that bunch of scripture. But now, finally, a righteousness from God is apart from law, has been made known. in which the law and the prophets testify, this righteousness from God comes through faith in Jesus Christ to all who believe. There's no difference because everybody's sinned and fallen. So when you get the book of Hebrews,

that faith keeps showing up. Faith, faith, faith, believe. There's power and faith, and it's a very protective power. When your sins are removed, God's spirit and dwells your body and love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faith with its gentleness, self-control, all these wonderful qualities

you say, without faith, they ain't there. Well, there's power in faith, but there's also power in a moral law that God gave us with which to differentiate between good and evil. And the thing that we can't do in modern culture is we can't tell people, hey, stop doing that particular sex act that is opening you up to this potential disease. Because that would be moralizing. We're not allowed to do that. And people have convinced, and Christians have been convinced by culture that don't

push your morals on me and we're being and you know dumb Christians will be like yeah that sounds reasonable but it's trying we're trying to help you right but then like the culture is pushing their morals on you but that's okay because what are their morals based in right because they think that we're highly evolved goo that became highly evolved fish that became highly evolved chimps and now we're us right and we wear pants and talk to each other in these weird languages it's like your worldview doesn't give us an ought it gives us an is my worldview gives us both and like that that's the difference with a lot of these people is they again they just they want to moralize to you while telling you don't moralize to me that's it yeah well it's like last time i talked about this faith i mean

it's not just like uh believing in hocus focus or i hope it's not just some genie in a bottle like well i hope this is true because i think that's kind of the world's view of that you're you're just you know what you call faith is just making a wish and blowing out a candle or whatever it's based on the promises God, which we talked about last podcast. But here, I'm glad you read that Romans 3 21. Let me finish my statement, Phil. I'm trying to pitch a book here. Romans 321 says it's the righteousness from God. So if you think about where faith comes from, if you consider the promises of God and the righteousness of God, we're not out there trying to promote our lifestyle. We're promoting the righteousness of God. It's his righteousness. It's not ours because we're just like everybody is.

else. You give us a second. We're going to screw it up. Yeah. So, I mean, I think that's important. Yeah. It's a good point. So what you read it, I was just highlighting it. Let's take another break. Well, I wanted to jump into this. I want to read the middle, but I want to jump into verse six to tie it into the first three verses the Hebrews 11. And then we'll talk about those, there's two individuals that are mentioned. But I want to jump ahead to his final thought because he says, and let me read the first three. Now, faith is being sure what we hope for.

certain of what we do not see. This is what the ancients were commended for. Now he's going to start going through those ancients. By faith, we understand that the universe was formed at God's command so that what is seen was not made out of what was visible, which we sent the whole podcast last time talking about that. I mean, that's quite a statement. It's really hard to get your head wrapped around that.

It is. I get it. Yeah, it's tough. But I think six gives us some clues. So then you get to verse six. and it says he kind of he kind of finishes that thought by saying and without faith it is impossible to please God because anyone who comes to him must believe that he exists and that he rewards those who earnestly seek him and to your point about the low bar I think how I mean first to believe in

who he is but then to seek him you know I mean that's that's where it gets into what does that take It takes more than me just saying, oh, yeah, that sounds better than what I'm doing now. Yeah. And then just, you know, it was just a, what does Zach call it? It's like a bellhop. If I need you again. Yeah, cosmic bellhop. Yeah, I'll ask for something.

Life and death is hanging on it. Life and death is hanging on faith or not. To me, the first thing, the first impression I get when I read this is like we were talking about, this is the opposite of the education system, which is just compiling as much information as you possibly can get in your brain, whether it's right or wrong. But the Hebrew writer says, this is a person. To me, that's what just like the fireworks go off. Because he's like, without faith that's impossible to please God,

well, that should get your attention. You're like, oh, what is this faith? Because then he says, because anyone who comes to him must believe that he exists and that he rewards those who earnestly seek him. And we've never seen him. I mean, to me, but I just think most people think, oh, I've got to learn about God. I've got to learn about God. And that's why the difference is knowing God and knowing about God or having information

and knowing the informant, the person. You can, I mean, you just think if I was going to marry my wife and I just studied her, studied her and I knew all the facts about her, but I didn't know her. Well, I'd be a creep. I said, well, you're a stalker. Right. Well, even you're talking about the education system. Like, education system is based on a materialist understanding, right? So here are the things that we can know. Like, this is a cup. This is a phone. This is a pen. It's a materialist understanding. But if you were to teach a kid in high school, you know, hey, we're going to go to science lab and you're going to prove that you love your mom and dad using science.

Well, so there's something immaterial to that knowledge, right? Right. And so, but also it's the immaterial knowledge, which is where we get faith. This faith has kind of gotten a bad rap. We all have faith, and you mentioned your chair last time. You have faith that this chair is going to stand up, but you're not thinking about it. We have faith that if we go outside and all of us jump up in the air, not one of us isn't going to, you know, take off into outer space. But then you get into verse 7, by faith Noah being warned by God concerning events has yet unseen.

In reverent fear constructed an ark for the saving of his household. reverent fear. We do not fear God anymore, right? We do not have reverence because that's where that's where you get reverences from fear. So there's a pastor out of Tennessee named Maddie Montgomery. He used to be a singer of a metal band, but he wrote a book called Scary God. And it was, you know, tens of thousands of pages on the scariness of God and why we should orient ourselves around that. And it would make us reverent and we would lead a reverent life. But again, we're typically scared of things we can see. We're scared of a gun in our face. We're scared of the O. where we can see the great white shark, but we're not scared of the things that we can't see,

like, eternal damnation. And it's like, it's only where you get this reverence. Hellfire. Right, right? Like, it's probably going to be hot. But, like, that's the thing is, like, the reverence we're losing out on that reverence because culturally, we're not reverent of anything. We're not reverent of old people. We're not reverent of our parents. We're not reverent of 2,000 years of gospel truth because it seems old-timey, right? Because, again, we're smarter than that, right? Like, we don't need this old book. They walked around in sandals and dirt. Right? They didn't have iPhones. Like, how could they possibly know more than we do? It's just this, it's this intellectual snobbery. Yeah, I think it's a valid point. Noah, when warned about things not yet seeing, because God said, Noah, you're going to need a boat. I want you to build it. I'll give you the dimensions on it and all that. But it's going to take you while I'll be a big one. And he's like, so, why about I need a boat here? He said, big water coming. Big water. I don't think it had rained either. It hadn't at this point.

Things not get seen. Well, you know, you're told that, and you said, you want me to do what? And he tells you, and this guy gets out there and labors for how long did it? A hundred years. A hundred years. He starts building people coming up. What are you doing? He says, it's big water coming.

He warned them. He warned them. He said, by faith, he condemned the world. He says, going to drown you all. You need a boat. And they were like, you talk about an idiot. So you just think about when we talk about faith, just think about old Noah saying, I'll do what you say.

Okay, you tell me how to put it together and I'll put it together. And to this day, they can say what they want to, atheists or not, but there's a lot of evidence that there was a big water on the earth at one time. Well, by the way, by the way, if you want to see it, you can go to Kentucky because an old boy has built it by the exact dimensions. That guy invented me to come, not invented, invited me to come. come over there and take a look at it's quite the look why the scientists said I'm not sure the boat was big enough to house all the animals at that time you know yeah go check it out yeah yeah but what

i was going to say it's not just about people who don't believe though it's like because you made a good point i mean look i always err on the side of grace when i'm dealing in the world i mean when i do events that's worldly based i err on on uh you know the the grace because grace God teaches us to say no. But in the church, it's a little different. If you have a guy, you know, like the passage in Timothy that's trying to gain control over weak will, women, whatever that verse is, who are taking advantage or manipulating that, when we have that conversation, it's way more judgment. Because I know that I read, you know, in the New Testament, when you're using the church and when you're using Christ to take advantage of people or abused kids or abuse kids or manipulate people or who, you know, I really believe there's a special place in hell

reserved for people like that. And I point that out because it's like, it's one thing to know this. It's another thing to know about Jesus and use that and use a church setting for your own personal appetites. And the Bible is really strong on the consequences of that. And so in that case, I'm erring on the side because they've already, they've already heard the grace of Jesus, but their heart is hard for whatever reason. But, you know, I think, I think it should be taught more. Well, and it's not just like the, that's the whole point of Second

Corinthians. And we went through First and St. Corinthians, was Paul saying, there are wolves here, and I'm going to wait in here, and we're going to deal with this situation. And he went back and forth because he was like, look, I love you. I don't want to be harsh, you know, but these people, there's a place for, What yours said reverent fear, mine said holy fear, which, you know, I never really thought about that phrase to be honest, but a holy fear is healthy at times. Well, think about it like when you walk into a situation with your spouse, right, and it's maybe a volatile subject you're about to get into or maybe there's a band-aid that's about to get ripped off. If you approach that with holy fear or reverent fear, that doesn't mean you're cowering and you're scared. It means there is a gravity to this moment that I could super mess up if I'm stupid. And so you're approaching it in a different way because you're reverent.

And think about, have you ever been in a room or met somebody before where there's a reverence for that person, a deep level of automatic respect for that person? Like, that's how I try to be with my wife. And I do that super imperfectly every single day. But if I have a reverent fear for her honor, how would I treat her as opposed to whenever I'm being a prideful jerk, right? It's going to be very, very different if you basically set yourself up in that way. Yeah.

I think it's a great attitude to have towards God. I mean, look, we have fun. There's, I mean, there's celebration time and there's worship time. But there's also, I do think, sometimes where you look at around at society and the world and what's going on in our families. And, you know, we need a good dose of holy fear. Yeah. I mean, God cannot be mocked. So we're out of time.

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