Unashamed with the Robertson Family - Ep 527 | How Jase Controlled His Anger for 30 Years & Update On Mia's Recovery

Episode Date: August 10, 2022

Jase explains how he was able to successfully manage his anger for 30 years. Zach talks about his 20s and his misunderstanding of what faith really was, and he shares the book that helped clear it up. Jase thoroughly reviews the movie "Noah" — and gives Hollywood a pass on it. And Phil discusses how much he loves that NOTHING was a surprise to God ... not even sin. Watch the Unashamed overtime show, only on BlazeTV: https://BlazeTV.com/Unashamed - Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

I am unashamed. What about you? All right, so we're back. We got old Zach, zoom in. See Zach's, yeah, he's got a duck commander hat on. I don't have to. Oh, yeah, it's Duck Commander. I see that.

I had to put my glasses on that. Retro duck commander with the hunter's orange, for those of you who aren't watching the podcast. You wouldn't wear this in a duck behind, would you? Yes. no we would not but it is retro duck commander fits us all well

because that sounds like this table we're retro duck commander we all used to work there but you know it was interesting dad so my granddaughter is working now at the duck commander store in the tour and it hit me that

we now have had four generations of people in your your patronage that work at Duck Commander it's pretty cool I mean, you think about that. How many people are still alive when their great granddaughter is working at the business they started?

That's incredible. 50 years ago. I got to where now I look around in the morning and say, good night. I'm still here. He surprises itself every morning. I'm not that old 76, you know, 76. I've seen some of them old coots at 86 and 96 moving around, you know. Yeah.

Tiring up stuff, whatever. What's the old joke? I wake up every morning and read the obituaries to make sure I'm not in there. That's kind of how you feel about. So, Jason, what do you've been doing? What are you doing that? Well, I've been on the road. But speaking of old age, so I went and I'm chopping wood.

I'm chopping my neighbor's wood. And, you know, I have. You do it like Vladimir Putin without your shirt on? No. But my neighbors, you know, I got some weird neighbors, but because they're from California. That was a joke. And, you know, and we're, we're, we're, we're, to them.

Because in Jesus, you know, you tear down these walls. I mean, because I would consider them yuppies to the highest extent.

Would you agree with that assessment? I don't know, but if you're going to, you know who my neighbor's going to nickname somebody. In this world,

if their nickname is yuppie, that's a good sign. Yeah. Because, boy, it goes downhill after that. So it's a weird transaction.

You know, they don't have outdoor skills, but they're living next to me. And so we kind of have an arrangement. But they have chickens. Yeah. Because they're so organic. They were organic before organic was cool. And so they supply a lot of eggs. And so I've cut numerous wood for them, you know, when we had a couple hurricanes.

And, you know, I saw, I think they lost eight trees, the last hurricane. And I cut up every one of them. So, and they burn fires like Missy does. And so, well, he purchased three trunks, three trees from somewhere and just had them come deliver them. But they were huge. And I was like, look, there's a level you reach on the size of a tree that you need a professional.

I don't have the equipment. And so it took me a month to saw it up. And I got it all sawed up. So now I'm busting it, but it's like, you know, you hit it, and it's like hitting a brick wall. Oh, yeah. And so anyway, so I was chopping little wood a couple days for our trip. And that's kind of the backstory, because I felt perfectly fine. But the day that we were going to the event, this is in Great Vine, Texas.

We went to the Bass Pro. Oh, yeah, the Bass Pro. And kind of the Duck family treasure appearance. It was me and Murray and Jelp and Jep and all our wives. came, which I had to bribe Missy to come because we went to the set of The Chosen, which was awesome. So I'll tell you, just a little, the backstory, but anyway, about the cutting wood, well, when I woke up, so it's been three days since I cut that wood, I couldn't move my back hurt.

And I was like, I've done nothing the last two or three days. And I was trying to figure out, so maybe when I cut that wood, and when I did that motion of the axe, I was like, yep. So I was literally that whole day. I got up and spoke and I just persevered, you know. A couple of adble went on. I felt like I could not move. I feel better now.

Well, if it helps your feelings, any of there's thousands of little blurbs in all of the Matt Dillon shows and all the old westerns. There's thousands of blurbs about somebody cutting up wood. but look it's best to get it like this small well for you listening he showed a very small piece of wood you're talking sledgehammers and wedges wedges well look i had a it's therapy for me i mean this was a weird i mean now that i'm i had no no plans on this is your neighbor were you being paid

any immuneration for this it's a martyrs i knew you weren't going to go down that road Well, here's number one. I love my neighbors. And not just because the Bible says so, which that is probably the number one reason. Yep. But I really love them. They love the Lord and I just love their family. And I love it that they, we have nothing in common besides we love chickens in the yard and Jesus.

That's it. That's the two things we have in common. Guns. He's a gun guy. He is a gun guy. Yeah, so we have that in coming. He's big in with the Navy SEAL guys, special ops. That's kind of his world.

Which we both love. Yeah, we love them guys. So I go, okay, we have more common than I thought. But, I mean, just day-to-day things. Anyway, so I'm out there, and Missy's dad, he hears me cutting wood. I didn't even know they were there, but I'm out there cutting wood. And he's like, why are you doing that? Because if you, I need it, I'll take a picture and maybe y'all can post it.

I mean, this has been quite the project. And he's like, why are you doing this? And I said, well, I like doing this. I said, it's for my neighbors and I like cutting wood. I said, it's kind of your way to decompress. I said, it keeps me from becoming angry. And he said, do what? And I said, he said, I've never seen you angry and I've been around you for 30 years.

Because you've been cut wood. Because I've been cutting wood. I said, every time I get frustrated with you. I said, now I'm married to your daughter. And, you know, and she's one of the greatest women on the planet. I preempted what I was fixed to say by that. I said, but you know, there are times where tensions will mount. Disagreements happen.

And I said, and you can now know when that happens. Yep. And he said, well, how? I said, when you see me out of talking about it. So anyway, I. I don't know why we're off on this. But you took us there. Well, I was telling, I was telling her dad, I was like, this is, this, he's like, well, I would like to try it.

But I, I feel like if I swung that one time, you'd have to take me to the hospital. I'd pay me to the hospital. I would advise, just me knowing Larry, I would advise against. Well, I was. And then I was. One thing that would keep you from running your mouth is an axe and some big wood. We were going to, we, we set this up where we were going to go. a day early and go to the set of the chosen.

We love that show. And Missy, I mean, it's just one of her favorite things. She uses it as a resource. Now they're filming about an hour away, right, from Dallas? Is that what I know? Yeah, they're somewhere around Dallas. And so they were filming, like, we were, so we're going over there on a Friday, but they were only filming until like 1.30.

And so we had to get up early because we wanted to be on the set. So usually, look, my wife, every six weeks, she has been in a vehicle going to Dallas with our daughter for the last 18 years. And she'll go the day of the appointment. She's never had a problem. And so we were doing the math. We were supposed to be there at like 11. So it would just give us a couple hours on the set. Everything's great.

We're going along. Well, all of a sudden, we slow down on the interstate. And I have to tell you this story because I'm like, this is one of the things that when you see something in society, you're like, what, are we here now? So we start slowing down and we look up and, you know, they have these apps now where you can see how the traffic is. This will probably blow Phil's mind. So they'll actually turn the interstate or the road you're on.

They'll turn it red as in for the next. Red is four-stop. Yeah, 14 miles. It is a lockdown. Yeah, I do it off. satellites. I didn't know that. So we look, and it's just a complete shutdown.

And so we're barely moving. And first, it's like, you know, no big deal. We got a must be a wreck or whatever. Well, we go about two or three miles in there. We get about 30 minutes in. And they're directing us off the interstate. And I thought, well, I hadn't had this happen before. I mean, we're like leaving the interstate.

And every time we, there's a place to get back. on it, there's a cop car that's saying you're not getting back on it. So it had some kind of spill or something. Well, that's what I was thinking. Yeah. Okay. Your mind is working with me. So I start looking up what has happened.

Yeah. And so basically they, all we could get, there was a stalled vehicle on the interstate. I was like, well, this can't be right. So anyway, Missy's driving and speaking of, you know, tensions are mounting because this is, it gets into an hour delay. and then we get into two-hour delay. I mean, we're moving at a snail's pace, and we're not even on the interstate. So Missy one time tried to make a move,

and I was like, I wouldn't do this. I would stay with the herd, because the road, she was going down, there wasn't any cars. I said, I wouldn't do it. But she's checking the, you know, the map. Right. Go here.

I was like, I wouldn't do that. So she did it. And, well, when we got to where to get on the interstate, there's a cop car. can't get on it. She's like, well, now what do we do? I was like, well, I told you all wouldn't have done that. So we, she turns around.

So now we've added another 20-minute because we had to turn around. So now all of a sudden we're getting to the estimated time arrival at 2 o'clock. Well, now we've missed the whole reason we're going, you know. So I would say tension's got a little high for about five minutes. There was no wood to chop in the car. No wood in the car. So she says, I think we need to just. pause and realize, I mean, this is just out of our control.

She kind of had a, to your point, Phil. She, I was like, yeah, let's just try to have a good attitude. So as we're, because her detour actually carried us over the site, the overpass of where this happened. So now I'm looking at it, and they have one, there's a, there's a big 18 wheeler in the middle of the road, kind of catty corner. There's enough military. I mean, military and cop cars, it looked like a movie set. And they have one of these robots, you know, the on tires, it's like looking into the vehicle.

And the way to get on the interstate, I know what I'm trying to say there. The ramp? Yeah, the ramp on that side is clear. And I'm like, well, why don't they just let people on? Because when it came out, it was behind where all this was happening. So I thought, well, it's got to be some kind of. chemical spill because they've shut down. I mean, you could just get on right here and go.

But here's what threw me off. Well, the other side of the interstate, it's fine. There's cars coming. And I was like, well, that doesn't make sense. So it turns out they thought, because I, the more research I did, because we had to go way around and they thought it was a possible bomb. Yeah. When you said robot, that's what I thought.

Well, what about all these people on the other side of the interstate? It's like they shut down the interstate for miles going west. But nobody thought the bomb, you're letting traffic go 50 feet. So I just thought, this is what's wrong with our society. We have all these rules. Every police force in the world got sanctioned to shut down traffic. You just think about, you go for miles, I mean, miles and miles, and you're shutting down every access to the interstate.

state with roadblocks? I mean, I saw hundreds of police vehicles throughout this venture. But then when that happened, and it turns out, guess what? Ran out of gas. Hang on. Hang on. Let's take a... Better than a bomb. Quote a famous philosopher, it ain't got no gas. So you ran out or the truck ran out? The truck ran out. That's why it was sitting there. That's why it stalled. It's stalled because it didn't have any gas in it, and we shut down miles of road. We got delays for hours. Well, I wonder where the bomb threat came from. Well, I don't know. Who knows? I mean, now, who knows? But I'm saying in our society now, it is such a violent place,

and there's so many bad things happening. Now, I'm sure they just swept that whole incident under the rug. It was hard to find information. That's what I'm saying. Somebody should be called into, called in. Somebody should get fired over that. Somebody made a bad call is what happened there. Exactly. That's what I thought. And the fact that you're allowing the vehicles to go. It's ridiculous. But we had a positive attitude. And when we got free, when we finally got back on the interstate. So what was the total time? Almost three hours. Oh, my good. And how far did you go in that three hours would you guess?

Well, not very far. I mean, I'd say 30 miles probably. That's probably how many miles they had shut down of the interstate. Yeah, so what is that? A mile an hour? Yeah. So, or no, what is it? But somebody did the math for me. But anyway, so, but then we get a text from the contact for the chosen. And they said, this, we have really, you know, had a slow morning.

We're now filming until 4.30, so take your time. So I thought, see? You were right, babe. Because it didn't matter to us. We just didn't want to miss it. all of a sudden, we're going to be there at 2 o'clock. They're filming until 4.30. I was like, it's like it never happened.

It's just like, now be careful. It did happen because it was very frustrating. So I told you that whole story to say when we, so we get to the set. And we and we put, they let us put headphones on. We're looking at the monitors. And it's in a building because they're doing in-house scenes. So we put on these earphones on. And it literally, I mean, we walked in.

and we put the earphones on and we're watching the monitor and it's the Jesus character, Jonathan, talking to a guy, oh, I can't tell details. And so they're just having a moment. And we're about 10 seconds into the scene. And I thought, boy, this is good. I look over at Missy, I mean tears are just streaming down her face.

And I was like, what just happened? happen here. And so the director came out, Dallas Jenkins, who we had on the podcast. And, you know, Missy's wiping her eyes, you know, and he's like, what's wrong? Mrs. Like, if I could just explain this morning and then all of a sudden, I just see my faith in action on what I believe in. And so we watched that scene. She wouldn't have had that same reaction had you just drove straight there. I think so, you know. But, no, I have to admit, I mean, we watched the same scene. till they, you know, till 4.30, 10 different times. Yeah.

Because they, they just, that's their deal. You know, they have two cameras. By the way, based on the last operation on your daughter's mouth and all, I mean, how did she do after that? What she's doing, I mean, it was a tough couple of weeks, but she's doing great now. I mean, she turned the corner. Did she just make it better on her breathing and all and just? Everything seems to be, to be fine. Yeah.

So that was what was weird, too. We usually go to Dallas for that, and this was actually to meet with them. It was awesome. And so then the next day, we go do the event. And I was telling Zach, before we started Aaron, really the number one draw to all the people that we, and I apologize that we couldn't see all the people that showed up. I'm so thankful you showed up, you know, and we love you and thanks for the support. But it was way too many people. You just couldn't.

You got thousands of people. and you got a few hours to see them, it's just impossible to see everybody. But the number one thing that came out of that was the podcast listeners that came up. I mean, from people. And a shame nation. Well, it was a group of girls, teenage girls,

who have Bible studies every week around our podcast, and there was multiple convergent stories and people sharing videos of their husband or their dad being baptized, and they were all hooping and hollering. And so I just want to, wanted to thank everybody, you know, for showing up. And then after that, we went to go have dinner with Dallas and his wife and kind of just reconnect. And it was an exciting trip. So I'm sorry

I took so long, but I just, it was an interesting trip. That's encouraging, though. The people who listen to this podcast, it's funny because I don't, I don't refer to them as fans, because it's not not really here to be entertained. They're participating in the Bible study. You go out, you go to look if the Facebook, there's a Facebook page we talked about Unashamed Nation. That's a whole community that's been developed out of the Bible study that's happening here. And, you know, they're ministering to one another. It's pretty cool to see what's happening out there. It really is.

Look, I was moved. I'm not, and I was kind of making fun of Missy for being moved. But I'm going to tell you about the fifth time I saw that scene. I was moved. I mean, and I really appreciate what those guys do. But then the day of the event, I mean, I was moved several. times just hearing the stories and how how God is moving and it's not us I mean we're just we're not experts we're not scholars we're believers who are sharing in this Bible study with you and we're

looking into what the author wants for our lives and that's basically what we're discussing well and that's what makes it different I think from just you know most a lot of podcasts are for entertainment there a ton of them are just like people doing like books almost and then a lot of them are current events politics you know and a lot of those are successful but i think that's the thing that makes sire's unique is that you know blaze has given us a great platform uh to be able to talk just about bible and that's when they approached us that's what they said we want a biblical spiritual view and they said you think you can do that i said i think that's right in our well house yeah in view of us reading this i'll just read one text that uh i gave the

little congregation of where I speak. I gave it to him yesterday. First Peter 117, when we're reading, just remember when you're reading all of what's going down in the book of Hebrews, going from law to grace, and the person who brought that to us, since you call on a father who judges each man's work impartially, live your lives while you're on this planet, I added that. Live your lives as strangers here in reverent fear. So if you walk around in today's culture and you're living your life as a stranger in reverent fear, that's saying a lot.

Well, for you know that it was not with perishable things such as silver or gold that you were redeemed from your empty way of life. He's beginning to tell you about the price of sin. in God's mind. And you're handed down to you from your forefathers. But here's how we came to be. With the precious that's of great worth, precious. With the precious blood of Christ, a lamb without blemish or defect.

They were putting the animals getting one without defect, the blood had to flow, a picture of what was to come. Well, without blemish or that. He was chosen, and here's a kicker that I just wanted to throw in here this morning. Before the creation of the world, you say, before the creation of the world, God had decided the price that had to be paid for our sins. It's a view of how God views sin, because the price that was paid is through the creator of the cosmos for crying out loud. You said, man, that is a, that is a wild thought. Only one person, God himself, God said, I'm the one who's going to bleed for you with this sacrifice of my son.

A lamb was chosen before the creation of the world, but was revealed in these lifetimes, 2,22 years ago. This was written in about 60, so it was a lot closer. For your sake, through him, you were. believe in God, yep, who raised him from the dead, yep, and glorified him, yep, so that your faith and your hope are in God. He's the one behind the whole thing, and it was all worked out in advance of the creation of the world. You're like, you talk about getting ready and well planned out. Just think of that. Before the world was here, he said, here's what's going to go down.

Nothing was a surprise to him. Right. When it comes to sin, death, love, of hate, nothing was surprised to him, nothing. So here we are, his children, looking at the book of Hebrews. That was written by Peter, an ordinary and unschooled fellow. How in the world could that fellow have grasped this concept before the creation of the world of a commercial fisherman out there, catching fish? You'd say, and that's the one who's writing this? Yep, that's the one that's telling us about it.

Amazing. Pretty amazing. Let's take a break. I like it. Did it go over well? Did your lesson hit home yesterday? Nobody moved. I was looking at the audience, and I noticed one of them.

So they didn't get that run out, I guess that's it. They didn't get it run up. One of them was Jeff. Old Jeff was sitting there. And Jeff never moved. He was just, and I looked around and everybody else. There's something about when you speak about everything already being worked out before you ever showed up. The world was here.

They were like, no world. And then the point. Christ was so high. I mean, blood of God. You know, God became flesh so he could bleed. Like over there in the book of Hebrews, we're studying, you know. Since the children, the human race, since the children have flesh and blood, he too shared in their humanity.

So you have perfect blood, the perfect sacrifice. Nothing else would do in God's eyes. So his jurisprudence system and his way out was all on his doing. but it is profound to even think about it. So that's a, that did a great summary basically of everything, Hebrews 1 through 10. That's why I just thought I thought I thought that in.

Well, well, I was going to add too, I thought, you know, the morning on I was studying, here we are in Hebrews 11, which you think, oh, I got Hebrews 11. I mean, this is probably one of the most. Talked about chapters in the Bible.

Would you agree with that? Certainly by us, yeah. I've always done. But, you know, when you look at it from going through the whole, book, you, to me, and I mentioned this a couple podcasts ago, he seems to really be putting an emphasis on these basing your faith

and your trust on his promises. Yeah. Because he can't lie. He's not going to change his nature. And then you see, and especially in 10, 11 and 12, you almost see this, you see their condition. I mean, they're turning their back on Jesus or in that process because, I mean, those first 10 chapters are, that's focus on Jesus. And even, even 12. I mean, when he gets through 11, he's like, so since we have all these witnesses, let's do what? Let's get out of the sin that so easily entangles and let us fix our

eyes on Jesus. And he had just brought that up in chapter 10 when in verse 26, we talked about it, when he's like, if you deliberately keep on sinning after you've received the knowledge of the truth. And he goes back in 32, 1032 to when, remember when you were fired up about this? And you were standing your ground and don't shrink back. And the only thing you can tell them is what they already know. Well, right. And so to me it seems like this kind of the same narrative of the whole Bible, which is you've got the evil one and his entourage.

giving you empty promises. I mean, think back to Matthew 4 and Jesus himself. You know, here comes the evil one, and what does he do? He gives empty promises to Jesus. And Sadie actually did a really good, I heard her speak one time. She did a really good job on that, the promises of God versus, you know, empty promises. But we should have her own and discuss that maybe. Zach, if you can make that happen.

But then, because then you're kind of reading between the lines, because when you get to chapter 12, you're going to see that there were some struggles here in their everyday life. I mean, there was evidently a lot of sin, open sin going on, and their marriages were under attack, which is not unlike when you start fast forward in here a couple thousand years. Nothing has changed. Yeah, you know, I mean, it's like these are different people in that, They were, you know, Jewish Christians or whatever across the ocean, but you just see how it's not our struggle, Ephesians 6 says it's not against flesh and blood.

You know, you're not married to the devil, contrary to what, you know, you're saying that. Right. It's, it's, there's a spiritual war going on, and Jesus is victorious in this, and God has given him to us to, you know, he started in the first three verses. He's speaking to us. He's revealed himself through his son. So when you get here to see this faith, I mean, these stories are so fantastical that they're just hard to wrap your head around the degree of faith

that these guys and gals showed. And it gets to the end. My whole point of this kind of review before we get into the nuts and bolts were in verse 39, before we read all these stories, And there's stories everybody's familiar with, but we're so familiar with. I think it almost, we don't realize how awesome this display of faith was that they did. But it says in 39 and 40, these were all commended for their faith,

yet none of them received what had been promised. I was fixing to read that verse. God had planned. You took it right out of my mouth. God had planned something better for us so that only together we, with us, would they be made perfect? And that's kind of why I did this overview of where we're at here, because we kind of have two worlds meeting from a time standpoint.

You know, those before Jesus arrived and those after. Yep. And it's just something awesome in here, and we're using the same thing. There's a vehicle, an organ, I guess, that God decided for us to use to see the unseen, which is faith. and that's what we're going to discuss. And the idea that it's always been there. That's why I think 11 is such a brilliant chapter.

Because of all this we've been, the Hebrew writer's been talking about it to now, going, I mean, copy after copy of the Old Covenant, there's this, there's this, there's Jesus is better. Then he comes here, and you're right, Jay's he weaves throughout human history, Jewish human history, but really all human history, because some of these predate, the nation, everything, that faith was always the thing. It was always pointing toward Jesus. Then Jesus got here and now it's always been pointing back. Would you make a good point?

I talked about this yesterday in my sermon. Let's take a break. The tension, the reason why there's tension, I was in 2nd Corinthians 12, you know, with Paul and his thorn in the flesh. And, you know, I talked about it. Sometimes ministry can be a grind, you know, and I think life can be a grind, depending when you're going through something.

There's a tension that's existent because the devil is still here. You know, we're saved. We're anchored in heaven. Our faith in Jesus, we know how it's going to end. We win. But you're still having tension because you're dealing with weak weakness in yourself and in other people. And so it's really an interesting back and forth. Well, it's strange.

The sermon I heard yesterday dealt with that very fact. And, you know, he, the pastor made an illustration. He's like, for some reason, in the first reason, in the religious world, you have a group of people who over-emphasize. It's like there's a demon and everything. And he told this funny story about this pastor and his wife they had in their house, and he was going to speak. But everything was like, it's like the story I told about having the traffic problem. They're like, I mean, the devil just doesn't want us to get here. I mean, the devil, you know, every little thing. The demon in that truck. Well, the story he told it was like the wife,

she didn't show up for when her husband was preaching. And he was like, what? And he was like, where's your wife? And he said, the devil stole her panty hose. And so she couldn't, well, she obviously forgot her panty hose, but she was too embarrassed to come without them. So she just said, the devil. But his point was, if I were that guy, that would be my next sermon.

The devil stole my pantyho. Oh, it was hilarious. The crowd was laughing. And so then he's like, then you're like, Then you got people in the religious world who under-emphasize it. I mean, they're like just, oh, all that's gone. That was the Old Testament. You know, I mean, there's no spiritual war.

Well, can you think of anything, though, that might have got around him? Jesus, creator, sinless, miracle worker, the way, the truth, the life, the king, mystery man. the resurrection, cast out demons, bread of life, preacher, healer, healer of all physical or spiritual ailments, Redeemer, reconciler, guarantees, servant, immortal, Lord over all, the seal. I mean, mind reader, you start looking at the one he chose to bleed. and his resume is astounding. You should write a book on that. Yeah, I'm working on that.

A resume of Jesus. I think when you get to Hebert. Here's my notes up today. We're going to turn that into a book, Dad. Better bring a magnifying glass and some kind of interpreter. You have to have a talented team to bring Dad's scratchings into it. And this is all coming from a C-Barrant. plus mind.

C plus ministry. Just took a look at it and said, whoa, what in the world? Does that what we say? I'm going to say, when you get to Hebrews 11, it's interesting to me because I never really understood what faith was until probably about 15 years ago, I read a book by Francis Schaefer called True Spirituality, which just opened it up for me, because I grew up thinking that faith was a leap into the unknown. and there's also a trilogy that he wrote that I read as well the same year.

But up into that point in my life, for me, faith was, it was jumping off the cliff and hoping, just hoping against all hope that someone was down there to catch you. And I thought that the greater the risk and the more unbelievable the belief was, than the greater faith I would have if I believed in that. And so it's like this leap into the unknown. When I started reading Schaefer's work, he eliminated the, the scriptures from me, I'd never understood that faith is knowable. I mean, that is in the Bible.

So when you read, you get to Hebrews 11, it rounds out. It's not just an example of men who had faith. It's actually an explanation of what faith is. And you can go back and you can read all of these patriarchs and their stories and you can see how they obeyed God. And to Jason's point that he's made on the podcast last several weeks, that faith is directly tied to revelation, meaning that God reveals. God speaks to us. And then faith is simply believing in the promises of God.

And you may not understand what that even looks like. For example, in Hebrews 11, there's an interesting phrase in here when he talks about Abraham in verse 17. He says, by faith, Abraham, when he was tested, he offered up Isaac whom he had received the promises. That's another point, too. He didn't receive the ultimate promise, but we do receive little promises here while we're here on Earth. But he offered up Isaac, who was offering up his only begotten son, and it was he to whom God said, in Isaac, your descendants shall be called.

In other words, when God made the promise to Abraham, I'm going to give you a bunch of grandkids, he was pointing at Isaac, and he said, I'm going to do it through that guy. And then he says, I want you to kill that guy. And so listen to what Abraham did. He considered that God is able to raise people even from the dead, from which you also received back as a type. So in other words, he thought that God was going to raise his son from the death. It's not what happened. But he actually got God's plan wrong with how God was going to do it.

But it didn't matter. He just believed that God was going to do it. And that's faith. He was sure of what he hoped for, and he was certain of what he was not seeing. But when the world sees men and women of faith, it helps their faith. When they look at the ones who are marching forward by faith, when the human race looks at that, that's how many, many, many are convicted to say, I don't see the Jesus actually walking with them, but I see how they walk,

and it's in line with how he walked. There's something going on here. So that's the... That's why he wrote it. That's why he gave us this passage here. These are examples of men who had faith, right? And we're to obviously carry this on. But like, how many of us, though, when we approach, you know, faith in God, it's like,

we want God to run by, could God run your plan by me and let me know how you're going to do it? And then I'll jump it on this. It was several thousand years. That's not faith. Several thousand years, they didn't receive it at first. I mean, Jesus was not a... He wasn't only... the scene. But once he came on the scene, the blood goes back and their faith, it protected

them and saved him. Well, does Zach's point though, about that story? I mean, so God gives the promise to Abraham and then all of a sudden, well, years go by. But just put yourself in that situation. We know how the story, well, if you're Abraham or Abram, you know, you're like, well when i mean i'm getting old here it i mean forget to you know the fact why do i get out of we're not we're not you know we're gonna sacrifice him later so it's like we have a promise and then you you have him when you're a hundred and ninety so you're in which i think was the foundation for for abraham to realize this is possible because when you think about it he had already seen life come from death theoretically.

When you're 100 years old, you're not going to be having any kids. No. But he did. So life came from, because I think there's somewhere where it's... You're pretty well. Out of luck at 76. Hang on, let's take our last break. But what I was going to say is, so then you have a test because you get to 22 of Genesis.

It's about 35 to 40 years after Genesis 12. when he when he brought us off. Yeah, now we're going to, now we're going to sacrifice him. So you got to realize he's thinking, well, wait a minute. God is given a promise. Now we have a test, but his, what he's asking me to do seems contrary to what he said. Because he's a promise keeper, he can't lie. And this would actually be murder, I believe.

Well, you know, God is not for murder. So somehow he reasons that he must can raise the dead because it can't, he's not a murder and he's not a liar. So he must, because the plan is going to happen. It's like me telling you, Jay's, I'm going to do this as quick as I can. But God has told me to sacrifice you. So suck it up. And you'll be back in a little bit. So because I think he can raise you from the dead.

He said, I said, so just rest easier. It would have been difficult to do, Jay's. Yeah. Raise the knife and slaughter one of your own children. I don't know. That's a lot of faith. This is y'all going to laugh at this. But Missy and I was talking about that movie that Hollywood came out a few years ago about

Noah. Russell Crow was in it. I remember when it came out, I thought, what is this? But Missy's like, I like that movie. And I was like, did I like it? And she said, I think you did. And I said, I won't go back and watch that movie. And so I did.

I watched it last night. Because we're here. And look, okay, before the religious people, you know, have a connection. We have Hollywood taken on Noah. Well, we just got to go right off the top. There's going to be a few issues. All right. But as I watched it, what?

You know, I gave them a pass because they were trying to make sense of it all. But I legitimately think they were trying to wrap their head around this happening. Now, we've all read the story, but a lot of the things really where we have the problem with what they did, how they, you know, did their artistic impression. Well, most of that stuff was stuff we can't agree on either. True. Like the rock people were the Hebrews, I mean the Hebrews, Genesis 6 right there where it says, what does it say? The Nathlum and the giants and the sons of God. Remember we talked the whole podcast about that.

Was that the fallen angels? It's mysterious for sure. So, okay, they turn them into rock people. Well, okay. You know what I mean? I mean, why is that so crazy when everybody else in the religious world has a crazy idea on who those people are? And you know, you say, well, why did they do that? Because in their minds, they're like, well, that was a big arc.

So how in the world did they cut the trees? I mean, that's a lot. I mean, I brought up the firewood thing. We're talking about a boat that was four stories high and one and a half football fields long. You can actually see it if you go to Kentucky. They've got a weapon. Using primitive weapons in a place that's not known for their trees. So they had that.

And how long did it take them to build? It's over 100 years. Well, over 100 years. Well, maybe he had some rock people who were with these giants that helped out a little bit. You know what? I'll give them a pass on it. You know what I mean? And then defended the rest of the modern civilization who obviously

would have been trying to kill such a crazy man. So, you know, those were things that they were trying to make work. And I'm like, when you watch it, and there's a scene about he, because they looked at it from Noah because, you know, I just watched it differently, honestly. And I thought it was a noble effort. I actually enjoyed the movie. But now, if you're going to try to follow along with the Bible, you're going to hate it. because they were like, well, I had to think in their mind,

well, why did they make Noah so weird on the book? It was like he had a mental breakdown. Because I think they were trying to rationalize. He really struggled after all this happened. Remember he gets drunk and all these. Curses his son. Because in his mind, he thought God is destroying the planet. And I'm, because I tell you, here's what bothers people.

is it showed that no one is fans they were weak and they they were scared and they were because we as religious people we always want to we're like well they these are the pillars they're in the hall of faith but when you really think about it they were weak they messed up they were humans god worked through them but look he put them i mean all the way to the test because can you imagine actually being a part of this whole scene what can you imagine from all of the world coming and getting in a boat and everybody's going to die and you got to deal with that in a practical way? And you imagine looking up and realizing you're the only eight people left on earth. Now, I mean, I love our family, but if that's all we had was just eight of us,

that'd be a little bit intimidating. Well, that's what, that's why I said that knowing the garbage that Hollywood puts out, they actually tried to get it right. You know what, I didn't give them a hard pass on it. I mean, that good job trying, because they were trying to wrap. their head around it practically from no one's perspective. You know, it's just hard to wrap your head around something like this. Are you kidding me?

You're going to sit there for 120 years and be the only person in civilization who says God is real. And look, who got it right? I know it's never rain. You don't even know what that is. It's never flooded. We're 100 miles from the nearest ocean, body of water, and I'm going to build a boat. Come on. You don't think there's no psychological trauma from believing this, and your family's looking around saying?

And he was touted for his faith. This is the guy we're going with? By his faith, he condemned the world, became an air of righteousness. Plus, we know the culture of that time was so bad. I mean, the whole everybody, all the other people were. It was the biggest joke there was. Look at these guys. They had a big old boat, and they'd say it's going to be a bunch of water.

But here's what happened. On the movie, you know, you had this army that came up because they're looking at it as something a fortress. Okay. Did they make it up? Yeah. But you know what that's called? I'm in TV. I know what that's called.

It's called a B story. But, Jace, by the way. You got to have a B story. By the way, hey, if some visitor pulled down the edge of this hill right here where we are right now, and I walked out there and I told them, and I did my, I could show them like this out, all that, you see down there. See that big field, the hay field down there where they're cutting hay. Yeah, they cut in hay there. Look over there. Look at all the trees down there. I said, listen, and in three weeks there'll be water knee-deep to waist deep right here, right out there.

Right in this yard within 50 yards of where we're seated right now. Water will be up to there. Most people would say, you are kidding. I said, no, I'm not. and you mean you're going to drive down in a vehicle right now but in a month this river out here could be here and my boat would be parked there and I'd be putting out there for my boat

they would say no way they'd find it hard to believe it's hard to imagine this is accurate I mean that's my point you wrote a book called Uncounsel can you imagine being the only person in your culture who is saying there is a God and we're going to trust in him and I mean you You're talking about I man out.

Oh. And so what is the Bible? And he was saying it for a hundred years. And not only that, he was a preacher of righteousness. Hebrews, you know, says he saved his family. I mean, it's easy to live right in a church building because everybody agrees with you. You go out there and you're the only person in the culture. That's right.

Who is defending God and who he is. Okay. It's just hard to wrap your head around it. But to go back to your point about Abraham and I, I mean, when you insert yourself in that situation, it's hard to wrap your head around. Oh, you'd be like, oh, yeah, I'm just going to trust in God. By faith, Noah, when warned about things not yet seen, there'll be water right here, a lot of water. You're going to need a boat, Noah.

He said, the water's coming all up to here. I said, it's a pretty dry spot on the map. I mean, you know, we're 100 miles from the closest. You're saying what? It's all going to be water. When warned about things not yet seen, in holy fear, there's not a lot of holy fear these days when it comes to being a faith. It's not there.

He built an ark to save his family. By his faith. Now just think of the weight of this. He, Noah, condemned the world and became heir of righteousness that comes by faith. What a, what a read. If you ever wanted a verse about leading your family despite the culture situations, there it is. We're out of time.

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