Unashamed with the Robertson Family - Ep 528 | Sadie Robertson Huff's New Album Is Fire & Phil Wants This on a T-Shirt

Episode Date: August 12, 2022

Phil tells of the startling time somebody gave him a piece of his mind. Jase talks about how young people will have "Noah" moments. Al talks about what young people are tempted to be concerned about in their daily lives and how God is fully aware when bad things happen to His creation. Jase is back on a movie kick, and he reveals which mission is truly impossible for humanity to carry out. Sadie's new worship EP "Steady Light" is out, and Zach's daughter sings on it! And Phil approves a great new T-shirt idea. Listen to the new LO Worship EP "Steady Light": https://lnk.to/LOWorship https://talkshop.live/watch/kNa2Qoub38oD — The ONLY place to get your signed copy of "Your Daily Phil" by Phil Robertson Watch the Unashamed overtime show, only on BlazeTV: https://BlazeTV.com/Unashamed - Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

I am unashamed. What about you? So we're back on the unashamed podcast. It's always good to have Zach in with us again. Zach, are you okay? I'm good. So Zach, you were saying, you were saying before we forgot to mention it on the last podcast that about what your daughter's doing, Layla's doing with Sadie. Tell us about that project. Yeah, I don't, I'm not sure when this podcast is going to drop. So Friday, I mean, look at my calendar. Friday, this week. I think this will be all this will be Friday when it airs,

I think. Oh, I guess today. So you have a thumbs up from the guy behind the clay. So today, for you listeners, today. Yeah, today, August 12th, um, Sadie's dropping a new album called Live Original Worship, I believe it's the name of it. Um, and so God just put on her heart that they needed to be doing worship ministry. And so they had had these songs written and, um, they were looking for a lead female vocalist on a couple of the songs. And, and, And they were like, how are we going to get, who we going to get? And Corey was like, what about Layla? And she's like, oh, my gosh, I can't believe I didn't think of her.

So she called us up. Layla, my daughter is a, she just graduated high school. She's going to college. But so, yeah, so they're dropping this Friday. I think the first song they're released in this is called Steady Light. I mean, it's, it is a, it's going to be incredible. So you guys got to check it out on Spotify or on Apple music, wherever you get your music from. Yeah, go check it out.

I think the Unashamed Nation would love it. We'll probably have Sadie on the podcast soon to talk about what she's doing too. Yeah, we need to. And not only to tell us about that, but also we've got to get her to do that, the promises. Oh, I watched it. Somebody said she had spoken, so I watched it online. And so she did this thing about the empty promises of the evil world versus God's promises. And one of her points was, if you're going to be in the same,

the spiritual war and you're going to be successful. And I love this point because it's just stating the obvious typical Robertson. You need to know the promises of God. Yeah, that's right. That's right. So, and she, yeah, she rattled off about 20. I wrote them down. And they were, she was putting the verse just rattling them off.

But before I read them, even when. Save them. We won't do that with her. Well, I know, but we can get her take on it. It's kind of inspiration. Yeah, you're right. You know, I mean, the promise is God, the promise is God. But, I mean, he will guide us.

He's with us. He has compassion on us. I mean, I'm not listening all the verses. But he promises eternal life to love us, to advise us, to help us make our past straight. He promises grace. He cleanses us. He promises freedom. His wisdom.

Truth. I can't read my writing on here. But he is the truth, I guess. satisfy, he's faithful to redeem us, to make us whole, never to leave us or forsake us. And he promises himself, his qualities, his character. I mean, those are things I'm just rattling off. But even in Hebrews 11, 6, where he says, when you think about what he said, anyone who, what does it say, without faith that's impossible to please God,

because anyone who comes to him must believe that he exists, and then he rewards those who earnestly seek him. Well, those are two promises. He says, I exist. We don't look at it like that. We're like, do you believe God exist? Well, he said he did. He said he does.

He says, Jesus said, I am. And he can't lie, and he's all sovereign. Yeah. So, and she went back to this basically two places, which I thought it was brilliant. She went to the garden and showed how the evil one. What did he do?

He took the promises of God and just kind of shaped them. Well, God knows that when you eat of this, you'll be like him. You'll be, well, he offered him to promise. And she did another thing in that when Jesus went from the water to the wilderness, I mean, the height of, you know, being baptized, being declared as the son of God, you're my son, I'm well pleased. and then what does the spirit do? Takes him to be tempted.

And I really thought she did a good job of capturing that moment. Because we all think, well, he's Jesus. He wasn't going to bow to Satan. I mean, that wasn't even a temptation. But when you read in Hebrewism, we're here. He was tempted in every way. Why? So he could help us.

In that moment, he was a human. And when you think about, she pointed this out cleverly, when you think about what the evil one was offering, it was actually a pretty nice offer. He was saying, you want to establish your kingdom, you want to on earth, let's team up. I'll give you that without you having to die. Because that was the real, you saw that was the real temptation.

Because when Jesus actually got to the cross, man, he was like, is there another way? Three times. Well, so, you know, that really hit me in that moment. Three times he was tempted. With scripture, by the way. way, Satan to show you his ability. He was using scripture. And he hadn't eaten in 40 days.

Three times he attempts to alter the plan. And then, not ironically to me, three times in the garden, Jesus says. He's written. Yeah. Are we sure? I think it's what we need. Yeah, let's revisit that verse six again. Because I think that's a great verse.

If you are listening and you're like, you hear the word faith. and you're thinking, well, how do you define it? That's another great verse that kind of defines what faith is, because he says, without faith, it's impossible to please him. And then he basically tells us what that faith looks like. For he who comes to God has to do two things. Number one, you've got to believe that he exists,

but that's not enough just to believe that he is, because even the demons believe and they shudder, according to James. So it's not just that we believe that God, God is there, we also have to believe the second part that he is a rewarder of those who seek him. So I would equate that to mean you got to believe that God is God, that he's big, and you have to believe that he's good. Those are the two things, and that's how Satan, when he comes in and he tempts us, what does he do?

He gets you to question one or both of those things. Either he gets you to believe that God's not there, but there's some materialistic atheistic worldview type stuff or maybe you believe God is there but you're like yeah but he doesn't really have my best interest at heart that's what he did to Adam and Eve in the garden is like did God really say and so I think faith you go back I know you're going to go back in a second here and go through like I guess we can start with with the Hebrew writer starts with Abel but it's believe but when we act out we act out believe in the two things that God is powerful he is God and that God's good he has our best interest at heart and then we respond to his revelation

of that presupposition, if that makes sense. I think that's pretty interesting when you read that. I was just thinking about that, Jase. Well, another promise that she referenced was in the one in 1st, Corinthians 10 when it says no temptation that it seized you except what is common to man. God always provides a door, you know? Well, it's a promise. That's a promise.

Well, how comforting is that there was a door out. and Jesus stepped through it with the very word of God. I mean, it was in that moment, he trusted the promise, which is what we should do. Yeah. But I agree, and I think it's interesting that Satan would say, yeah, but God said this. And then Jesus said, yeah, but here's what God, who he is and what he means. I mean, and that's exactly how people try to get around it. Well, God wants me to be happy.

and so therefore, you know, that's why I'm having this affair and I'm leaving my spouse. Well, no, that's not, you know, first of us, first of us, you have assumed a promise that God never made. God never made a promise that you'd be happy. Think what commercials do. Look, in movies, I mean, I've been, you know, I took up for that one man, which I'm sure people didn't agree. But like a movie like Mission Impossible, I think's terrible. And people are, oh, well, we like that movie. is Tom Cruise and he's doing these great things.

It's a lie. It was not an impossible mission. He went out and he did it. You want to know a mission that's impossible? You cannot, it is impossible without faith to please God. You're going to have to decide, you know what, without seeing him, without him tapping on your shoulder and saying, hey, you're going to have to believe in the unseen God through faith. And you're going to put your faith in trust that he's going to reward you if you stick it out. And it's going to be difficult because all these stories, all these people, they faced incredible, I mean, incredible circumstances.

He gets down to that in a minute about sawed in two, stomp, jump, slaught. Just absolutely the worst thing you can think of, which is. The scum of the earth. So here's what happens in a practical illustration, Phil, to your point. You know, Paul in Romans 8, which this makes non-Christians really mad, but it makes people who are going through difficulty mad, is when some tragedy happens, what do Christians do? Well, they say, well, Romans 8, you know, God works all things with good for those who are loving.

You're sitting here, you know, some child is abused or a kid dies from cancer, and some Christian comes up, so, well, God works all things for the good. Well, in that moment, they're mad when you read that because they're like, uh-uh. There was nothing good about this. But you got to remember that... Why does he allow good people to have bad times? Well, I'm going to get to my point, is because Paul also wrote 2nd Corinthians 11, same author.

Well, it is a paragraph of just the worst possible things that could happen to any person on the earth. I mean, he was shipwrecked, he was beaten, he was flogged he was bitten by a poisonous snake he was it's just it's over why about a god why about a loving god allow that to happen well and this guy wrote that because he's saying in all that as bad as life is and it's going to be bad it's going to be terrible in all these circumstances we're reading we're not sitting here saying what you know you don't think that wasn't rough for Noah and his family, the persecution, the unknowing, I mean, this is the most

crazy thing ever. We're going to, hey, God told me something. He's going to end the world. Can you imagine having that family meeting? It's all ending and it's going to happen in a flood. You're like, what? And everybody else has just turned evil, you know, into these just evil worse than we can But worse than our culture today. It was worse then. It was worse. But in Paul's case, Jays, God didn't only allow it to happen. Jesus promised it would happen.

You remember in Acts 916? He told out an ice, he said, I will show him how much he must suffer for my name. So he said right before Paul went off, you know, when he got his sight back. So what I'm saying is he said, oh, it's going to happen. It's a promise. You will suffer. for the name of Jesus. So you want to say who are you, Lord, get ready, buckle up.

Well, that's my whole point. Look, even though we don't know all the information, and in your own life, look, I have right now, I'm in the most confusing situation of my life. You know, I have a baby that I've had for five months, and I have no idea. I wish I had more information. I wish God would say, now here's how all this works.

Because it just, you know, you realize that my mind. timetable is not the Lord. And I'm, I have to trust in the promises of God, even though I have no idea practically how all these, I will end. Or even how it's going to connect to the, you know, you just, you just say, you know what, I'm going to trust God in this. So that's exactly what Jesus did in the, in the desert and in the garden. Remember how he closed them both, not my will, but yours be done talking to the father. And so I made the point yesterday in my sermon, when we submit my having to know,

my having to get this done, my having to understand, when we submit that on our knees to the father, that's when it changes. That's when we're doing what to get. I'll follow you, God, but here's my conditions. Too much trouble starts coming my way. I'm going to be asking, what do wrong,

what I go wrong. I mean, how come things are so hard? And this particular endeavor, this is just a bad stuff. You know, I told you, I'd follow you, you know. Well, go ahead. Hang on Zach. Hang on Zach. Hang on Zat.

Let's take a break. Yeah, I think the key, the key is here in Hebrews 11 that he's trying to get across is that faith is not as concerned about the how as it is with the who. And it's not irrational. Faith is not the opposite of rationality. Faith is not irrational, but faith, what faith means when you make a belief about something that you can't see, it's still based in rational thought. It's just that you don't understand how God's working these things out, but yet you're still trusting in who he is that he is going to deliver. Just like Abraham is the prototype, Abel.

Yeah, Abel's out there making sacrifices to God when his brother Kane is when his sacrifices are like halfway because Kane's like, I don't know if God's going to really take care of. me. So I better preserve some of this for myself just in case God doesn't do what he said he's going to do it. Abel's like, nah, God said he's going to do it. He's going to do it. He's getting the first fruit of my sacrifice. He's getting the best of the best because he's not, he's not second guessing whether God's going to come through on his promise. And all of these examples, Enoch, Noah, Abel, I mean, the whole list of all of these people that the one thing they all in common, the ones that were men of faith, the men of renown, is that they truly believe that God was able to do what he said he was going to do and that God was faithful and that he was

going to do it. That's faith. They didn't know how he was going to do. John the apostle wrote, and he said, we should remember that we should love one another. He said, and not be like came first statement who belonged to the evil one and murdered his brother why did he murder his brother because his deeds were evil and his brother was righteous it's that simple and that's the first murder i know of that was recorded well all this stuff that comes your way you say be careful who you belong to it should it should be evident by your walk it does say it is it is It'll tell you who you belong to. You love your brother.

And he's going to bring that story. He's going to bring Abel up in chapter 12 and 24 when he talked about Jesus being the mediator of a new covenant. And to sprinkle blood that speaks a better word than the blood of Abel because here was the first murder. It was a guy who was innocent from that happening. Yeah. But you said, well, why was he saying Jesus is better? Well, Jesus was completely innocent. innocent about anything.

I mean, and he, it was, it was the punishment. What I was going to make a point and say is the, because to go back to my original thing about the Romans 8, it says he works things as good, but it doesn't say we're going to be comfortable during the process. And when you look at Hebrews 12 and chapter 10, what chapter 11 is wrapped around, when he gets to chapter 12 and says a statement like, endure hardship is disciplined. You run the race with perseverance. You know, in your struggle against sin, you haven't resisted to the point of shedding your blood.

So a lot of the circumstances were tough because he had said in chapter 10, and he's like, remember those earlier days when you received the light and you stood your ground in the face of suffering? And you were publicly exposed to insult. You were persecuted. you had your property confiscated. When I'm reading this, I'm like, well, now I see why they wandered away. Because it's like, that is the problem. You want the blessings without the uncomfortability and the sacrifice.

That's why Gordon, his father, Zach, your father sent me a little something that somebody, some group had me down there. They said that my problem was I was unhinged. You? Completely unhinged. You were unhinged or they were? They said I was completely the so-called patriarch of the Dug Dynasty crowd. You were unhinged.

He is unhinged. You need to write a book and call it unhinged. Yeah. That was in the working title. That's actually in the working title. Everything's on something. I like it. And then, let me say this real quick.

Because I love what you did there, Jason. When we talk about the suffering and uncomfortability, I was thinking of how I could, like, trick you all into this story about telling you about this guy in Memphis that was a psychopath that would basically take his victims. And over a period of like a year and a half, he would, he would like rip their teeth out. It's just just for a sadistic pleasure, I guess. I don't know why he did it. But he rips their teeth out. and then he would leave him out for like a six, eight month period, until you realize that that guy was my brother who's a dentist who did a tooth extraction on myself.

The context matters. You know, our vantage point matters. If I take my little, my daughter, my young daughter into the dentist, she's probably thinking, man, this guy, like, how could a loving father subject his child to such torture? Because I realize that if we don't get the tooth out, there's going to be issues that are bigger later. So vantage point matters. So what Hebrews offers us is this vantage point that does explain suffering. It explains, you know, Phil's question earlier, why would a loving God allow bad things to happen to good people?

Well, we don't have the vantage point that God has, and we're eternal. We're made to be eternal. We mentioned this in the last podcast, the Ecclesiastes 3. God put eternity into the hearts of men, but we can't understand it. But there's a bigger thing going on here than our little 80 years of temporal existence. It's something bigger going on. When I read the unhand statement that Gordon sent me, you know what I did? When he sent that, when I first read it, you said, what was your first response when somebody said,

you're an unhanged out there in La La Land? I smiled. What did you say? I smiled. You smiled? I smiled. When I read that, I smiled. It made you feel good? Yeah.

You're unhinged to Jesus. I was thinking immediately, oh, I'm hinged all right. I ain't unhinged. I'm hinged to Jesus, the son of God, the creator of the cosmos. Yeah, T-shirt was. Well, they said Noah was unhinged. Oh, by the one. That was their accusation against Noah. Oh, yeah. He's unhinged.

Speaking of good T-shirt idea, somebody needs to get one feels unhinged or hinged to Jesus. I don't know. Worked something out on that. He's unhinged. Rehinged. He's rehinged to Jesus. That when we were at that event, Dallas, a whole family came up,

and they all had matching shirts. And it said, Jesus, no skeletons. And they had me. They just did their own home. They said, we love it. They're not in the closet.

And they're not in the grave. And here's a box for you. We made you a box of T-shirts. So they beat you to it, T-shirt people. They just did. They don't sell T-shirts. And I said, now we're talking. What they miss, the writers of my being unhanged.

Bill, you're upset about this. Yeah, so I said you were on-hand. I'm smiling. On-hands is to dislodge. So my criticism was coming from people that said he's disloyalty. And he's detached. So you've detached yourself from the culture. To show the mind into, to throw the mind into confusion.

That's the charge against me. Unbalanced. So you're out of your mind for Christ. That's what they were saying. He's a complete, complete idiotic fool. Your second Corinthians, well, there's another verse. We're hinged and he's unhinged. We've become fools for Christ.

Yeah. So, Dad. And they step up and I said, oh, you're a man or woman. They say, I don't know, but I tell that you're unhinged. I said, yep. So, Dad, Jason is right. You're exactly, you're Paul in Second Corinthians. Yeah, read it down.

Because he kept talking about him being unhinged because he's, I'm a fool for this. That's right. Then he says, the one I was going to read was in chapter 12, them, therefore I will boast all the more gladly about my weaknesses so that Christ's power may rest in me. And then he says, in insults. That's why I smiled. Yeah.

In insults and weakness and hardship and persecution difficulty. And that word, that Greek word for more gladly means. And he was undergoing way more persecution than I had was. The Greek word for more gladly means sweet. Yeah. And so, you know, somebody gets after you. you know what you say? Sweet. I take persecution as a badge of honor. Yeah, the one I serve. Well, you think about, you think, you think about the culture, church culture we live in. I mean,

people do not want to be marginalized. I mean, they are so fearful of being culturally ostracized. They are pushed aside as being irrelevant and out of touch and unhinged and all the things you mentioned. But you get into Hebrews 11 and you're like, man, then boys were going through a whole other level of persecution. It was way more than just social, you know, isolation. But think about it, Zach. That's why this lie, this empty promise in the religious world was the Jewish system that he's addressing here, these Jewish Christians, they were trying to, they were asking the question, how do we get back to God? And they were going back to their old system. And what God was saying and the Hebrew writer is God came to you in Jesus.

I mean, that's the difference. And when you put your faith and trust in Jesus and make that public, bad things are going to happen to you. That's exactly right. There's going to be confiscation of property. There's it. Ultimately, you refer to it. They may saw you in two.

Yeah. I mean, that wasn't just something he was being overly dramatic about. You said, why did that happen? And this verse in chapter 10 talking about sympathizing with those in prison. And people here today saying, oh, God wants us to sympathize with, these were people in prison because of their faith in Jesus. It wasn't because they committed some crime out there. They were out loud and on purpose for Jesus and they locked them up. And they killed them.

They tortured them. They, the culture made fun of them. They spit on them. They took everything they had. I mean, they just made their life a mess. Let's take them right. Yeah. I agree.

And, you know, it's interesting. because back to Hebrews 11, whenever you look at, we've been talking about Abel, who was murdered by his brother. And the reason he was murder is because his brother was jealous of his praise from God and his sacrifice and his heart, really. Because he compared to himself. And he thought, so this is where we start to see this divergence happen in Genesis from the men who would trust in God and men who wouldn't. So, you know, when Adam and Eve have another son named Seth, and he says, since Abel was murdered by his brother, you know, this is his replacement, so to speak, and I say that in quotes. But then it says right after that in Genesis that he, from this time on,

men began to call on the name of the Lord, which is really interesting. So Abel has been sacrificed, because we know that from Hebrews 12, Jay's you read that earlier, his life meant something to people in the lineage now of Seth. By the way, yeah, and you seldom hear this, Zach, when we get to Hebrews 12, my son do not make light of the Lord's discipline

and do not lose heart when he rebukes you. Now just check this out, because the Lord disciplines those he loves, and this right here, in the face of most thinkers. And God, he, God punishes everyone he accepts as a son. And you could add daughter. So discipline is part of following Jesus Christ.

It has to be there. You know what I'm saying? We all need discipline from God from time to time. He helps us. So you say, well, why is he doing this to me? Well, suck it up. Look around, see what you're up to. and change the direction.

So, Dad's right. And what you see the difference then is people who, how do they look at God? And that's where faith comes in. So you look back at this line of Seth. And we get to this guy Enoch, who's mentioned here in Hebrews 11. Well, before you read that, I want to just say one thing, though, about Abel. Because I do think it's important. When you read that story in chapter 4, when he said, the Lord said to King,

where's your brother Abel? this is verse 9. I don't know, he replied, am I my brother's keeper? The Lord said, what have you done? Listen, and I think this is an important reference when you get to why he's making the comparison in Hebrews.

He said, your brother's blood cries out to me from the ground. Now you are driven, now you are under a curse and driven from the ground, which opened its mouth to receive your brother's blood from your hand, which is, I mean, that's a real, just a sobering thought. I mean, I mean,

one, I think that when, when bad things happen, one, we usually think, well, God's a million miles away. I mean,

no, he was fully aware of the injustice that had happened and to put it so vividly that his blood is crying out to me from the ground.

Well, he, the Lord, cursed the ground at this moment. Because it says, when you worked the ground, verse 12, it will no longer yield its crops for you. You will be a restless wonder on the earth. And y'all know I'm into this because I think it's going to make sense when you get to the flood

because there's another in this genealogy in chapter 5 in verse 28 when it says, so this is right after Enick, because you had Enoch, then Methuselah, who was the oldest man, That's 25. Then you have Lamek, when he had lived 182 years, this is 528. He named him, he had a son, Noah, and said, he will comfort us in the labor and painful toll of our hands caused by the ground. The Lord is cursed. Well, this was all a result of Kane killing Abel.

So they had got there and worked the ground. It ain't coming up. So I do think it makes more sense that we... Remember, Noah. is Kane's grandson. Lamek was his son. So we're only two generations removed from this guy. I just think, you know, when you read all this stuff and you think, well, this, it's all

confusion. It doesn't make sense. No, it makes perfectly sense. Where this culture in this day went off the rails. And it started with this Kane committing murder, which is an anti-God event. I mean, we're, he's about life. And there's a lot of that still going on. James. Exactly. And so eventually, you know, whether this, what we talked about last podcast, the,

whether these, uh, these fallen angels or whatever these, these, these beings were in Hebrew six that was mentioned in the preview to the flood, whatever your take on that is, the culture literally just went off the rails. And so there's a flood. Yeah. And you're going to get to Noah. and then God is going to make this decree in chapter 8. After the water goes down, Noah in 820 built an altar to the Lord, and they took some of the clean animals and birds, and they sacrificed and made a burn offering the Lord, smelled the pleasing aroma.

And then he said, never again will I curse the ground because of man, even though every inclination of the heart is evil. And never again will I destroy all living creatures as I've done. he's talked about, you know, seed time and harvest. So I was like, you're talking about the consequences of somebody's sin. And God taking that serious because he is just on this other side. Look, and that's why when you look and you say, well, what if everyone simply loved God and loved their neighbor? Can you imagine what this would look like, Zach, if everyone just did?

Well, I think that was God's goal to eventually. Just love God and love your neighbor. And let's take that and just try it for a while and see if there's a change in our culture. Just think about it, Zach. It would be a complete utter change. It would be completely different. Let's read the first seven verses in Hebrew. So we hadn't done that yet.

But we're like, I mean, I think it's interesting. You go back with Al's been getting, who's about to get us to Enoch. And what Jace just did kind of taking us through Noah, You see the progression here historically in the Old Testament, but he's just referencing this. Hang on that. Hang on that. Let's take a break for you, read there. All right, go.

So we're reading here in Hebrews 11 when he says, now faith is the assurance of things hope for, the conviction of things not seen. So he's setting it up here. For by it, faith, the men of old gained approval. Who are the men of old? He's about to tell us. By faith, we understand that the worlds were prepared by the word of God so that what is seen was not made out of the things which are visible. By faith, Abel offered to God a better sacrifice than Cain

through which he obtained the testimony that he was righteous, God testifying about his gifts through faith. Though he is dead, he still speaks. By faith, Enoch was taken up so that he would not taste a death, and he was not found because God took him up, for he obtained the witness that before his being taken up, taken up he was pleasing to God. And without faith, it is impossible to please him.

For he who comes to God must believe that he is and that he is a rewarder of those who seek him. By faith, Noah being warned by God about the things not yet seen and reverence prepared an ark for the salvation of his household by which he condemned the world and became an heir of the righteousness, which is according to faith. So that's the setup of the text. that we're getting into when we talk about these patriarchs.

Yeah, exactly. So as we've been talking about Abel and him being murdered and the idea of that being a sacrifice, but it's not as good as sacrifice of Jesus because Jesus was never sinned. Well, right. But he's also saying, God is not unaware of injustice. And God is going to make it right. I mean. Always.

Yeah. So I just think in the back of your mind, you have to be reminded of that because life is difficult. Bad things do happen. Sometimes it's a consequence of your sin. Sometimes it's a consequence of someone else's sin and there's pain and there's all these things. So that's why when you get to the other side of this and you fix your eyes on Jesus, you're like, what are the three qualities that Jesus really highlights?

sin, death, and the struggle of life itself. Right. Well, you just think about that. When you start saying God works things to the good, yeah, he does work things to the good. And as painful as it may seem at the time, even when you have faith in Jesus, I mean, you read this, he's not guaranteeing anything. I mean, you could lose your life tomorrow because of your faith or bad things may continue to happen. But you have these promises in the back of your mind that you're like, you know what, no matter about it seems, the one in me, what's that verse in verse John four, is greater than the one out there.

Yep, exactly. So that brings us to Enoch, which is a really interesting person because we read about him, Zach just read about him in Hebrews. He only appears two other times, of course, in the lineage back in Genesis chapter five. In verse 18, when Jared had lived 162 years, he became the father of Enoch. then he lived 800 more years. And then 21, when Enoch had lived 65 years, he became the father of Methuselah, who was the oldest recorded person to live almost 1,000 years.

And after he became the father of Methusla, Enoch walked with God 300 years. So in that era, that was pretty young because they were living to be 8,900 years. And then it says, and had other sons and daughters altogether live 365, a young guy, and then he walked with God, then he was no more because God took him away. Now, that's a strange way of saying he left here. You know what I'm saying? You know, one of the qualities that said about Noah, he walked with God. Exactly right.

It's like Enix. Now you think about that statement because I thought about that first John too when I noticed, and there was a couple others that I know the same phrase, he walked with God. I mean, just the obvious is when you walk with God, great things are fixed to happen. That's once you walk out of the meeting where you are with fellow believers on Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday, Thursday, Thursday. That's when you walk with God 24-7. That's when the walk takes place. And so I think that's an interesting point, Phil, because that doesn't mean you're not going to make mistake.

But as you're walking with God, I mean, it's like I'm walking my kids. And guess what? When they make a mistake, we deal with it. That's why we confess our sins to God. we deal with it. Walking with God is not you somehow arriving in your own capacity. That's never going to happen because that's what we think. Well, I can't walk with God because I'm a sinful person, you know.

But I do think that's interesting. And I do think it's interesting that it's in here. I mean, this is my personal opinion. You think, why is he in here? Because there's no details other than he didn't die. God just took him. I mean, he walked with him and just says, God took him. Well, I think he's in here because, number one, what was his reward?

He got to be with God. And I think he interjects that in here because we tend to think, oh, what's heaven going to be like? What am I going to get? You know, I may have a mansion. I want to see the streets to go. Now, your reward is being with God. But don't you? I don't know of any other reason why he's in here.

So don't you think it's interesting that the first two people, were both left here young compared to everybody else all their peers. I mean, Abel was murdered. Well, right. And now you got Enoch who only lived 365, everybody else is living 900 years. So he missed out on, if you want to look at it that way, 600 years, but he doesn't look on that way because of the visible gun. I think you're right.

I think because a lot of these stories, if people who are struggling with God's plan and why life is so difficult. Well, a lot of people say, well, that's not fair. I mean, why did he get to just go? And I'm sure that wasn't clear to everyone what happened. I mean, the Hebrew writer obviously figured it out. Right. But it does seem like, well, how come we got to die? And he just got to go. Because that's the way human nature is. Everybody's different. God's in control and he's got it figured out. And when you read these things, this guy's in here. This guy's in in the Hall of Faith because he walked with God. And if you want to know what that looks like, let's take our last break.

He's mentioned one other time in the Bible. Good old Jude, who doesn't even have, he's only got one chapter, Jude 14. Jude says, Enoch, the seventh from Adam, prophesied about these men, the kind of men Jews talking about in his, see, the Lord is coming with thousands upon thousands of his holy ones to judge everyone. Now, this is all pre-flood pre-Noah, right? So he's looking at that to judge everyone and to convict all the ungodly of all the ungodly acts they have done in the ungodly way and of all the harsh words, ungodly sinners spoken against it. I think if you were going to talk about it's prophecy and sermon, it would be called, don't be ungodly. So you wonder what it looks like to walk with God?

Well, right. And I think there's a goal here. Look, look, there's actually situations where a person is walking with God so closely that he just says, come on up here, get up here. I mean, he did it to Elijah also. Yeah. There's an interesting question that comes in my mind when I read that verse. I think about walking with God. I think about this verse in John 118 that says, nobody has ever seen God except for the sun.

And so you start to think, how does a man walk with God? not see him. He does it by faith. And so when you read Hebrews 11, this whole thing he's setting up here is this idea of us believing in a realm and a world that's not seen. That's why he says it's the conviction of things unseen. And then he says,

by faith, we understand that the world, the visible world is made out of things that are unseen. Abel believed in a promise that he couldn't see, you know, that God was going to take care of him and he's going to sacrifice. Enoch walk with a God that was unseen. Noah,

verse 7, being warned by God about things unseen. So all these people that are, what I think he's getting to is they didn't see it visibly in front of them, but they were recognizing a reality that was there that was not either not visible because it maybe was a spiritual reality or maybe it was a promise that had not yet been fulfilled. But the idea is that just because we can't see, that it's right in front of us doesn't mean that it's irrational for us to believe it. And these examples, at least these first of you, are people leaning into something

that can't be seen. I mean, look, I want to scream sometimes when I'm out of church service. Or, you know, I'm like, stop looking for a sign and start believing. I mean, you have the promises of God. If you're looking for something beyond what has already been written and what God has already promised, that's an empty promise. because his promise will take care of every possible need that you could ever ask or imagine. It's there.

I agree. And which we talked to do the research. We talked about that a lot when we were talking about when we studied Matthew and John. Jesus, how many times did he say that? That's what you just said. You're always asking about signs. Here I am. But all you can ask me about is signs of when I'm coming.

I mean, look, I get it. Life can be difficult. I brought up last time about, you know, us having this baby and not being able to see anything that makes sense in the short term. But you just got to stop looking and start believing. I mean, God's got a plan. We're going to follow God's principles. Yeah.

There's another T-shirt. I like that line, Jay. That's T-shirt. There's a t-shirt. I'm tempted to Google it right now to see if someone's already come up with it. Stop looking. And start believing. I got to start a T-shirt company.

I got to start a T-shirt company. If you started a T-shirt company two years ago, we would, you know. Yep. We'd all be rich. Well, I don't know if we'd be rich, but I don't know. People would wear a T-shirt. I do like the fact that somebody had their own homemade T-shirts from your line. It was awesome.

And look, when I saw it, I said, I just, me an idiot, thinking they had just come up with it. I said, I just did a podcast with that same thought. And they said, yeah, that's why we made the T-shirts. I went. Good luck to you. And look. And I was just thinking, what are the odds that I just talked about this? So I said, you did?

And they just all started screaming and hollered. But it was my family. It was a mom and the dad and the kids. And we were high-fired. I thought, no, where, this is... And if you walk by you on a dark night, you know, you'd have your hands in the head, I could have made a lot of money.

Those skeletons. No, but I think back to the... Because all the people were talking about here in these first seven verses, to Zach's point, I mean, they were much closer to the creation and all that. And obviously, everything pre-flood has a little bit different feel to it than everything post-flug. Don't you?

Is that a fair statement to say? Even when you look back at all the scripture. I keep thinking there every thought was evil. Yeah. There are everybody's every, every thought. Weakiness and violence. I mean, it would have been a, I mean, it's rough today in places, but I mean, everybody, except for one family.

That's why I don't really get into like a whole lot of doomsay stuff. You know, a lot of folks get bent out of shape and think about how bad cultures or how bad the world. I'm like, man, the world's been bad. It's been worse. It's been worse, right? I mean, it's like every generation, every generation thinks, oh, this is the worst it's

ever been. And I'm like, well, no, not really. I mean, would you want to go back to the, like to the days of before, you know, what's described here in Noah's account? I mean, that sounds like Mad Max type reality to me. So, you know, I don't, I think, I think our call is just kind of lean into to our cultural moment and really be, show a picture of God's redemption. through Jesus. I think that's what Hebrews is setting up here. Yeah, things may get bad, but they've

always gone. I mean, history has always proved to be difficult for God's people, but the point is is that there's more than just your 80 years of temporal existence here. Like God's, he's made you for eternity. And even in that, I think these people that were slaughtered, and it was a slaughterhouse in Hebrews 11, no doubt about it, I truly believe that they were fulfilled. I think they were sustained by the Holy Spirit. I think that these people had a joy that is in, that we can't even comprehend in the midst of the worst pain and suffering and persecution. I think they understood something about reality that, that's hard for us to grasp.

You know, these, these were men of renown, people that we should look up to, right? I did find it interesting that, because we know when the line sort of split, you started having people calling on God in the pre-flood era, that the evil, the evil. line wound up winning the entire known world except for knowing his family. So to your point, Zai, I mean, when you think about that, when it goes that rogue away from God, you get to the point where there has to be. And so I wonder, you know, are we going to go there again and this one is going to come back or is it going to be before that again? We'll never know. But it did, it can get so bad on this planet with human beings. And the evil one still

being here that they can all go over to the evil side except for one family. I mean, that's what happened. Well, you think about Noah. I mean, here's Noah who is putting his faith in trust in God when literally no one else was. And you said, what's that mean to me today? Look, the age group of 11 or 12 to 21, the number one driving force is. acceptance among their peers. I mean, it is such a draw.

I don't know if social media has intensified that or what. Probably has. It literally just seems like all these people I've studied with, young people, they're just like driven to be accepted and to have friends. And I'm like, I'm looking at this. I mean, you got to have some, there's some NOAA moments that are going to have to happen in the young people's world. You're just going to have to say, you know what, if no one else out here is going to do it.

Because in the end, God wins. You win. I thought about those two passages in Romans 7 and where he talks about verse 4 where it says, My brothers, you also died to the law through the body of Christ that you might belong to another. And then when he reiterates it in 24 and 25, you know, then the struggle with sin on a person. daily basis. What a wretched man I am who will rescue me from this body of death. Thanks be to God through our Lord Jesus Christ. I mean, you trust in these promises that God's going to rescue me from my sin. You read the 1st Corinthians 15. You know, thanks be to God. He gives us a victory in Jesus Christ.

We're going to live forever. We're going to live with God forever. There's no secret sauce about how to fit in into the culture. If you go out there and put your faith in trust in Jesus. Jesus, they will exclude you. They're going to make fun of you. And there's no secret sauce to it. You just got to make a decision. That's what I'm going to do. And I think when you combine...

Just smile and move on. I think when you combine it with the way the media and those who are not believers and TV and movies portray the empty promises, you know, you think about, you know, alcoholism is a big problem in our culture. Well, when you see a commercial about it, what is it? It's a party and it's that age group and everybody's having it. Well, have you ever seen a commercial? I'd love to just somebody put the money up and make a commercial where the opening scene is a guy on his hands and knees just going,

Buh, and you look around and there's police in the, you know, and then just have a beer. Yeah. It's like, drink on. Well, now, am I being ridiculous, or is that what happens a lot of times in that world? Well, you don't show that. But you're portraying a empty promise is what I'm saying. And social-accepted. This is what you're.

This is great. Hang on, Zad. Hang on, Zadai. We're out of time. I hit a nerve. What's that? Let's talk about it in overtime. I want to hear what you have to say in the overtime.

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