Unashamed with the Robertson Family - Ep 529 | Jase Tries for Baby Smiles with Different Songs & Missy's On-the-Nose Signs

Episode Date: August 14, 2022

Jase jokes about Missy buying signs with obvious sayings on them, like "Home." Zach laughs about his wife's pillows that can't be touched or slept on, and Al says he has thrown away a pillow collection before. Jase goes through a playlist of songs to see what the baby enjoys, and he finally finds the unlikely song that brought hours of smiles. Zach discusses the meta-narrative of two worlds bridged together by the book of Hebrews, and Al challenges the audience to start reading Bible verses. https://talkshop.live/watch/kNa2Qoub38oD — The ONLY place to get your signed copy of "Your Daily Phil" by Phil Robertson Watch the Unashamed overtime show, only on BlazeTV: https://BlazeTV.com/Unashamed - Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

I am unashamed. What about you? So last night, Dad and I did a Facebook, well, it was a Talk Shop Live is what it's called. I was saying Facebook earlier, but Talk Shop Live where we were, he's got some signed copies of your daily fill that you can get. So if you want to go there, you can still get them Talk Shop Live and see our little dissertation. We had a little 30 or 40 minute chat. But, Dad, you asked a question. I said, so I want to ask maybe Jason Zack, no, because I didn't really know the answer to the question.

You said, why do they call it Facebook? I mean, you said, does my face turn into a book? What is it? You couldn't make it. If a face is in the book. It's about people, I think. Well, this is why we love you. That's a question I've never heard of ask.

I haven't either. And so I thought, I said, well, I don't know. Does that, do you know why they call it Facebook? I'll take a shot at it if Zach doesn't know. I had no answer. I said, I thought maybe like an album, like a picture album. No, here's what I think. I think.

I don't want to do that. Well, I think I don't know. Whatever they're doing that? I don't want to do that. I don't. I think I know what it is because you, I think if you have a profile, they call it a page. So pages make up a book. and on your page you have lots of pictures of your face.

So I was kind of right. It's like a picture album, I think. So it's a digital. Well, that's how it started. It started with, it started at Harvard. Personal. It's kind of a celebration of, because when I first heard people talking about, I remember when the first telephone and the first television.

No, it has nothing to do with the telephone. Well, I'm just saying. It does it have something to do with when they first told us, we're all standing there, you know. Watching the snowstorm. They said, listen, you're going to be able to see the person you're talking to on the telephone. And we all looked each other and laughed. We said, no, they're never going to be. They're not going to be able to do that.

How would it be possible through wires? It's impossible. Yeah. Yeah, because I said, no, that's a bunch of bull. Well, it's been a bunch of bull for 70 years. I never did. You know, my first thought was, I thought that old boy, remember that time in Bible class?

We've told this story before when he got offended because, no, look, all his Christmas lights wasn't flickering, but he got offended when Phil referenced Star Trek. And he said, hey, that's real. Phil's like, no, it's a TV show. And he's like, no, that's happening. The Enterprise is above us. The Enterprise is circling right now.

They had him. Oh, they got him. I said, but you know what my first thought was when you could actually look at the person you were talking to, I thought that old boy was right. They're actually out there. Yep. They're pulling it off.

They'll be beaming each other up. Oh, that's right. Is that one teleportation is on its way. That was pretty incredible. In fact, many of the things from that show are now what you use. The flip. phone now, now we're even past that,

was the communicator. Remember they flip it open and they're talking? Everybody said, look at that. It's just flip it open and you're having a conversation. That's obsolete now. Yeah, now it's like,

oh, yeah. So Facebook, I think the term came from when Zuckerberg started it at Harvard. I think they had a page where they would rank, they would put people's faces like these, the girls and then they would rank them based on their attractive.

I think that was the origin. You're talking about anti-woke. Is that why they changed it? Well, they changed it to, we talked about it. What do they call it now? Meta. Meta. It's called Meta.

Oh, they want to get away from that. That was the, when I got into the, some of those. Now they're all wokesters. Sent me the church. You didn't rate women. My point is, is there from that type technology where you can look at the person you're talking to. Did it produce good or did it produce evil? More good than evil, more evil than good. It's the same as in any venture when how did it, how did it help us? I'm answering your

question. It's just like any other venture where people gather. There's a lot of good things going on and there's a lot of evil things going on. It's just a place where people are gathering place. I mean, we're using it right now, right? I mean, you guys are looking at me in North Carolina. I'm looking at you in Louisiana, and we're talking about the book of Hebrews. So some are just scanning through it to see if they can badmouty about something. And some people are dirt. Yeah, that's that.

Some people are. I would say most of it is a lot of drama, badmouth. But, you know, most people get on there. It gave people a way to be more self-absorbed than normal. because their post is, you know, I'm going to Taco Bell and, I don't care. But I'm trying to figure out. You know, that's why I got off of it.

I'm trying to figure out why I have no motivation to participate in that particular endeavor. Because you live in the middle of nowhere, you get up and you listen to birds seeing. Yeah, you're not really participating with anything. I'm still at the who. Yeah. Say you who. You're still answering the phone that's attached to your wall. arguing with all these people trying to sell you this stuff.

Because that's the only people left call it. There's, here you go. We're still going. That's got his roll of decks. He's got sheets of paper over by his chair with numbers on it. If he's, if mom's like, if it's one of these, he's answered. If it's not, don't. Well, that's why I noticed that word for, you know, repentance is metanoia, the Greek word.

Goods coming out of it. Phil, when you don't have your earphones on, you can't hear that we're all talking. If good's coming out of it, all right. Let's try it. But if evil's coming out of it, why would I do that? Well, that's not a basis to go by because I just told you, both are happening. Because people who are telling me, they're telling me usually when you hear, which I still, I'm trying to tie the face and the book together.

I think you need to stick to that book in front of you. Face to face. Okay. Face to face. Face to face. All right. I got that. Well, you remember when you used to shoot your gun, you're not letting me talk, Phil.

You remember when you shoot your gun at a telephone book? Well, what was a telephone book? It was a book of people. Well, they just took that book and put it on that little computer and put faces on it. But it's the same people. But you can talk to each other. Telephone book to Facebook. Yeah, that was the leap.

That was the leap. They said, let's take a telephone book, put it in. in a box digitally. Yep. They figured all that out. You can talk about your crank and allow people and allow people to communicate with each other. Well, right, because telephone book had, I mean, that was the whole point of it. You want to communicate to that person, but that's really interesting.

You can sit in your living room or your bedroom and you sit there and talk to the world. I mean, to put it in a spiritual context, this was like the telephone book being. dead and then they said we're going to we're going to resurrect that with a new body that can do things that are not of the physical world yeah well i think that we we would be better off if they just put the cancellation on facebook and go back to the old ways well where information doesn't try at the speed of light doesn't well the good news is that the world seems to be with you because I was trying to explain this to dad last night, that Facebook now, like my grandkids and that era of people now, this generation,

they're like Facebook. That's for old people. Oh, yeah. You know, now they're like, now that's out there. That's out there. They're moving on. Most people on Facebook are over. So where do you move to when you move?

Oh, it's Snapchat, TikTok. A lot of options, yeah, out there, but of which none. There's a new one called that the kids are talking. me about I think it's called be real and it's how it works it's once a day you get a a notification and and you have to whatever you're doing you have to take a picture of yourself in that exact moment and only once a day so they send them out randomly and the idea is that social media has been so curated and so fake because you're not representing your true self so whatever you're doing in the moment you just take a picture and then that's and then that's and

that goes up and then all your, all the people that follow you, see what you're doing in that moment. It's called be real. That's the new one. You have to, you have to sift through the material, the flow of the material to see if it's their line or telling the truth.

Well, right. Somebody says something. That doesn't make it true, but I can't, I don't know where you have. So you've got your once a day that you're going to put yourself on there, but now you've got to wade through everybody you know.

Yeah. To see what they're doing at whatever time of the day. Sounds like to me they're, they're bored. That sounds like bored. Ordom has reached a whole new level. Yeah, that's what I'm thinking. The piece of mind is flowing away.

It left the, it left the one. If you ever have peace of mind if you stayed on something like y'all talking about, and I saw all that, if that's all you did every day, you're saying what's all the people you know. I drive you nuts. That's what I would think. Yeah. Well, I think it does drive a lot of people nuts. I mean, it's an interesting world out there, whether it's TikTok or Facebook,

I mean, when they introduced the like button, that's when everything changed. When they introduced that little button that you hit and it says you like post and that became the, you know, everybody wants to. It's kind of like digital popularity and everybody's like searching for that. It's, yeah, it's interesting for sure. Well, but I, you know, to show you never, I didn't realize, so you said that today, Zach, how that started. It was basically a bunch of college guys trying to pick up women. And I mean, that was their goal, right, or whatever. And so it's very interesting that I...

That I can believe. Me too. That's why I'm saying. That sounds the most realistic out of the whole thing. Now you know. So if ever all of our listeners over 60, we've now scared what happened. That's right. You figured it out.

Yeah. I was going to make the point to... Probably the guys all sitting around, ha, ha, about half eye, telling each other, you know, well, honey, you know, just take off this part and do that, does that part of it too? here we go i wouldn't know i don't know i don't know once the clothes begin i smell a rat yeah once the clothes begin to be taken off i flee the building yeah and there's nobody to monitor no no human beings that's what i'm saying there's no human beings are too evil to get into that problem with zach's idea about whatever you're doing post they could get uh rated r in a hurry but it's real

It's real. This is not, because that's the problem. Most of it's fake, which I told you all, the Metaverse, which is a fake world. Yeah. And that's why I said the Greek word for repentance is metanoia, which is God changes your world. Or, you know, you're, you've been moved to have your real world change. Would you think, would you just say, surmise, would you say you'd actually be better with it or without it? I think you have.

In the spiritual world, trying to live. golly life in Christ Jesus, trying to be good to your neighbors. I concur. Is that helping it or does it hurt? I concur that most of us have all realized that the less time we spend on social media, the better off we are. That kind of has to go. Well, there you go.

I'm just sitting here thinking. Phil, your personality always goes to that. I mean, like, if you have an injury, you know, to your finger, feels like, do you want to take it off or do you want, I'm like, well, let's just fix it. You know, we don't have to detach it from my body. You know what I mean? Do you want to, can you live with it? Or do we just?

Well, right. I'm saying, I think if you, I think it could have been fantastic. But, and I think it would be fixable if you had the right people there. But you would have, they would have to have a godly vision. Yeah. You know, for it. So. With all the dangers that's in the world and, and the war.

we have constantly with the evil one, I'm just, I just don't know whether that's a healthy device or the thing to get into or not. It just looks like to me it would be able to cause a lot of people to be upset over this, that and the other, what somebody said,

they call me, yeah, yeah, that's true, but you can do that with pretty much anything. I mean, if everyone loved one another, I think it would be a beautiful thing. Well, my point is, Phil,

the phone that attached to your wall, it, it calls people to be upset. I mean, there's people hollering at each other. The people are the problem. It's not the devices that connect them. That's why the whole world is a prisoner of sin. There's a verse that says that,

for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God. There's a problem. Yep. Well, that's why I'm saying. That's why I called it in my sermon. You can't all of a sudden start blaming the device. And you're right. Y'all are saying, well, since there's no escape for it,

just joan, join with them and yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, what we've done is, we have we have started a podcast called the other show books that would be it's good for spiritual help last night we were doing it sold a few books so they're after you know let's uh let's take a break maybe we should introduce a segment ever so often technology therapy that's right that's right this is social media counseling it's like the greatest commercial going right now are these commercials of this guy who's a counselor and And he helps people not coming like their parents.

Yeah, not to turn out like their parents. And so everywhere they go, I mean, the material is endless. Yeah. Because every time they go somewhere, which unfortunately, about half the things they're making fun of, I actually do. Me too. It's aimed at me. I'm like, if you had a grocery store and the buggy is pulling to the left and squealing, I'm going to go find somebody. I'm going to say, hey, dude, fix this.

That's right. You know. And to decide where you're going to park when I pull into a large parking lot, I'm like, I'm thinking about that. I'm thinking I'm going to block out here away from people. I'm going to go up to the cold cut section, and I'm going to try two or three things before I make the decision. I think that's a great thing in our society. Those are all things they made fun of on this commercial.

Get them to sponsor the show. Like how not to become your dad? Yeah. It's like how not to become. Yeah. I mean, one of the funniest. And this guy on there is really great. And one of them, like some of the early ones, like the woman has all the throw pillows.

And he comes in, he starts pulling on. She's like, he's like, do we need all these on the couch? Well, it's one thing that my wife does is she takes sayance. She goes and she buys these signs with sayings on them. And look, your wife, Phil, my mom is the worst at this. And he's like, we don't need, we don't need this. We don't need these little say. I forgot what.

One of them was like, no something, no something, no cussing. He took it and he put in the trash can and she went, ha! Yeah. Yeah, we got a bunch of those at our house. So we have a problem doing that. Yeah, Jill does the, so she's got all these pillows on the bed, but I can't use any of them except for two. She says, don't sleep on my, whatever she calls, maybe throw pillows. I can't, I can't use them.

They're just for looks. Yeah. So I only got two that. that she says, you're going to squish them and they're going to lose their form. Lisa told me that. So I started chunking them. I said, throw pillows.

Here we go. And I'm throwing them across. We have way, way too many. Yeah, it's just ridiculous. It's crazy. I liked it the guy. He went through the man's freezer. And so he was, he had so many things in his freezer

that he couldn't even remember what they were. Same way with us. Well, there you go. So that's why that commercial weren't. But look, technology. Oh, they're funny. Technology has its pluses. I'll tell you a quick story.

So I'm babysitting, our little one. And he just because he's being fussy. Whenever he gets fussy, Missy brings him in there to me. And she leaves. I don't know where she goes. She does it every time. He's not fussy very often. But when he is, when I get him, he's like, he, he, he.

So I said, well, I got to figure something out here. Because all we've done is move locations and he's still fussy. I mean, I let him watch the dogs. I can't wait to hear this because you don't seem like the soothing type. Well, you would, hey, I'll put a seatbelt on, buddy. I'm fixing to blow your mind. So here's what I did. I said, you know, I believe everybody is put here on the earth.

And they just got a certain style. what music, you have so many styles, you know, I just think there's something to that. So I said, I got to find this kids. I got to find the tune that is soothing. So look, I went, I listen to music that I've never even listened to. Like one of the, because I thought, who knows what this kid, you know, what will work. So, I mean. Music calms the beast.

And so I went, you know, I had Chicago. I'm a man, you know, I don't, don't, do-do-do-do. He just, ah, ha, ha, okay, okay. Calm down. I went, uh, I did it my way. Frank Sinatra. And I'm just singing, Belle, he's screaming at the top of his lungs. I did the black-eyed peas, you know, let's get it started.

He just, blah. So Missy came in one time, she's like, I said, I got this. So look, when I push play, there were others, I can't remember off the top of my head, when I stumbled up on, dun-da-d-d-d-d-dan-d-dun-dun-dun. Name that tune. Johnny Cash. Johnny Cash. Ring a fire.

Ring a fire. He grinned from ear to ear. That's, he grinned. I kid you not. We listen to that. Well, at old Johnny read somebody. For 45. For 45 minutes, we listened to that.

And I thought, this is how you solve problems in our world. So now, every time he comes in there, click it on, he's fussy. There you go. Have you tried? I listen to, Johnny, I've been everywhere. That's a different song, Phil. Well, my next question, if you try. that song that I've been everywhere

or what's the other Folsom prison? No, no, I think it's actually the Dun-T-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-dun-d-da-dun- No, it's just the opening. I think it's the Spanish you know version of them and the swag.

At least something worked. Oh, it worked. No, it worked. Every time I play that song, he grins. He thinks it's funny. I'd try some Conway Twitty on him, see what he thinks about Conway Twitty. I bet he'll like it.

I don't know. That makes me fussy. He's going. Well, we're going to study the Bible. Yeah, let's get to the Bible. But I did think that was funny. That's a good story, Joe. Yeah, I was so proud. If it's a Rubik's Cube, you can do it.

Well, so Missy came in to finish that story. I said, I found his walk-up song, and she said, excuse me? I said, he likes that song, Ring of Fire. I said, I think he's going to be a pitcher one day because, you know, they play that. When a bullpen pitcher comes in, they're like, I, fell into a burning ring of fire. Everybody's got to have a walk-up song. You've got to have a walk-up song.

I agree with that. I try to keep it spiritual. I mean, most of my walk-up songs are worship. But you might be right. To have a backup, you might try some of that music here in Mexico, a lot of that same type. Well, I need a peppy spiritual, yeah, like a, what do you call them things they play in Mexico?

Mexico. What's the instrument I'm trying to think? I've had a brain crown. The ukulele? Oh. Yeah, when they had the Mariachi band. The Marriachi band. Yeah, that's what I was thinking of. A good, great idea. I need a spiritual worship Mariety. Mariachi. Well, I'm sure somebody in Unashamed Nation will send us one. With a nacho Libre flavor to it. You got to have a nacho Libre flavor. Zach, we left off, I think getting into Abrams. Do you want to read those first seven to kind of set the tone for where we're heading in Hebrews 11? I think we read one through seven.

Yeah, we read that. Where are we? I think we're in verse eight. I read verse eight through 12. And I'm sure we'll get further. But by, yeah, because we talked about Abel. We talked about Enoch. We talked about Noah.

And now we're moving into Abraham. And I mentioned before that the pre-floods, it was a little bit different world. going on with them. So now we've made a shift. So we're post-flood. Noah and his sons and their wives have repopulated it at the point of getting us to Abraham. All right, here we go. This is Hebrews 11-8, which says, by faith, Abraham, when he was called, obeyed by going out to a place which he was to receive for an inheritance, and he went out not knowing where he was going. By faith, he lived as an alien in the land of promise, as in a foreign land, dwelling and tents, with Isaac and Jacob, fellow heirs of the same promise, for he was looking for the city,

which has foundations whose architect and builder is God. By faith, even Sarah herself received ability to conceive even beyond the proper time of life since she considered him faithful who had promised. Therefore, there was born even of one man and him as good as dead at that, as many descendants as the stars or the heaven and number, and innumerable as the sand, which is by the seashore. Well, go ahead and read all the way, because it really goes to 19. Yeah, go to 19, but hang on if we do that.

Let's take another break. Back in Hebrews, or in verse 13 now, Hebrews 1113. All these died in faith without receiving the promise, but having seen them and having welcomed them from a distance and having confessed that they were strangers and exiles on this earth, for those who say such things make it clear that they are seeking a country of their own. And indeed, if they had been thinking of that country from which they went out, they would have had an opportunity to return. But as it is, they desire a better country.

That is a heavenly one. Therefore, God is not ashamed to be called their God, for he is prepared a city for them. By faith, Abraham, when he was tested, offered Isaac. And he who had received the promises was offering up his only begotten son, It was he to whom it was said, and Isaac, your descendants shall be called. He considered that God is able to raise people even from the dead, from which he also received him back as a type. By faith, Isaac blessed Jacob and Esau, even recording things to come.

By faith, Jacob, as he was dying, blessed each of his sons of Joseph and worshipped leaning on the top of his staff. By faith, Joseph, when he was dying, made mention to the exodus of the sons of Israel, and gave orders concerning his bones. So there's obviously, Abraham has the biggest section in this chapter, which has a lot of, and there's a reason why I believe, because, you know, we talk a lot in this book about copies and shadows. Abraham's life really is a snapshot of the same life we have.

You know, he had a call to come out of the place he was into something new and different where we would have to trust God to go there. He was tested through the process. He had to depend on God to be able to continue the lineage and have a family. And then ultimately, he had to believe in the resurrection because he was faced with a situation where there was the only thing he could figure out because of Isaac. So I've always thought the reason Abraham is mentioned so much in the New Testament because he's in, you know, you see him in Romans 4, Galatians 3, James 2.

I mean, how many of the New Testament writers talk about Abraham? And the reason why, and he's the father of the faith was because he really is sort of the prototype of the new era, you know, is it kind of the way I look at it. Of what was going to happen, you know. He didn't have near the information that we have. So it made him so great. So it made him so great. Yeah.

Well, and to get back to the promise theme, you know, you got, I want to remind you that when you go back to Hebrew 6, 13, it said when God made his promise to Abraham, we've already talked about this once, since there was no one greater for him to swear by, he swore by himself saying, I will surely bless you and give you many descendants, which is Genesis 22.

And so after waiting patiently, Abraham received what was promised. Then he goes on to this, men swear by someone greater than themselves, and the oath confirms what is said and puts an end to all argument. And then we read those things about God doesn't change his purpose or nature, and it's impossible for him to lie. But what I was going to say is, I've always taught this. I may be, I could be wrong, is like he made the promise.

Well, then he has the test. So he made the promise, I think, in what was it, 12? 15. Yeah, I think it was 15 was when he made the promise. I thought it was 12 for some reason. Well, it was when he got the call. Okay, he gets the call, makes the promise. And then the test comes in 22.

So what I'm trying to say is when you read the, what happened in 22. I mean, y'all can, you know, y'all can either. or set me straight on this? Because I'm presenting that you had a promise by God. Now, he did make an initial promise. You're right, Jay's, in 12 when he said, I will make you into a great nation. I said, okay.

Well, I thought I was it. I will bless you. I'll make your name great, and you will be a blessing. I will bless those who bless you and whoever curses you all will curse you. Well, that's important for what I'm fixed to say. So you had a promise. That was the first promise. But then you have a test here.

But now I think this is the oath he's talking about. because the oath is then the test was when he said in verse two take your son of 22 Genesis your only son whom you love and go to this region of Moriah sacrifice him on one of these mountains I'll tell you about early next morning so he gets up and what you do you know you've been told this is what we're doing you saddle your donkey he's got enough wood for the burn offering. He set out for the place God had told him. On the third day, Abraham looked up and saw the place in the distance.

He said to his service, all right, stay here. Now, while I and the boy go over there, we'll worship. And he does say, and then we come back. So I guess if you're fast forwarding back to where we're at in Hebrew. He knew right then. Right then, he thought, I guess he can raise the dead. because we got a promise and now we got a test. But I'm saying that led to an oath.

I think that's the oath he's talking about in Hebrew 6. Because when he passes the test, Abraham took the wood for the burn offering, placed it on his son, and he himself carried the fire in the night. And the two of them went on together. Isaac spoke up and said to his father, because, you know, he's kind of the missing part of this story.

He's like, well, Dad, yes, my son, Abraham replied, the fire and wood are here, but where is the lamb for the burnt offering? Because he's, you know, not realizing, you're talking about me? Who? I mean, this is the worst exhibition of fatherhood. You know, they put people in prison for doing stuff like this. Abraham answered, God himself will provide the lamb for the burnt offering, my son. And the two of them went on.

So they have this awkward conversation. And we have this awkward, what seems to be, contradiction of God's plan in Abraham's mind going on. I mean, this is all a disturbing story for most people. They're like, why is this in the Bible? Right. So when they reached the place God had told him about, Abraham built an altar there, a range of wood, bound his son, Isaac, put him on an altar. Then he reached out, took the knife to slay his son.

So God knows the heart. And then in that moment, wait. but the angel of the Lord called out to him from heaven Abraham Abraham here I am do not lay a hand on the boy he said do not do anything to him now I know that you fear God because you have not withheld from me your son your only son so then they see the ram and then that place was called the Lord will provide this verse 14. And so I think that goes in with all the times we've read in Hebrews that God is faithful,

you know. But so he makes a promise. He then, then he makes an oath because when he gets to 15, he calls him a second time. He says, I swear by myself in verse 16. That was the key verse I was trying to get to. Yeah. So if you think about it, because I think this gets a little,

complex. You got a promise. You got a test because even though when he said, now I know that you fear me, now this is my theory and y'all can shoot it down. It's not going to hurt my feelings. As you think about it, well, God's all knowing, right? Right. Well, didn't he know what was going to happen? I mean, so it's like, well, why would he make a statement like that? now I know that what do you say exactly now that now I know that you fear the Lord fear me I think's what it says uh I just read that where was that yeah that now I know that you fear God because you have not withheld for me your son your only son so my point was though when you think about

God's all-knowing he doesn't know what he says now I know he doesn't mean now he knows he He's saying now you know. Well, I'm going to make a point, though. Okay, hang on. Before you do that, let's take a break. So here's what I was going to say. God, you know, he didn't know what it felt like to sin because he's never sin. Correct.

Right. So he sees us. So when you get to verses like, and I don't have something I read out of a book or whatever. I'm just getting to verses in Hebrews like when it says, Jesus can help us because he was tempted in every way just as we are, yet it was without sin. So it's like, did God know what it kind of feels like to be in a human body? I mean, maybe, but I know he did when he became a human. Right.

I mean, so all I was saying is, it's like the test was just the experience in us using our choice and viewing the heart. and that watching that play out in front of him. And so he has a promise, there's a test, and then there's an oath. And so I think that, I mean, now he's like, and there's no one greater than him, so he made that oath. I'm tying in Hebrew 6. I just think there's a process there that when we rely on the promises of God, this testing is going to happen. Yeah.

Yeah, there's a great. And I think there's a, yeah, I think it's, there's a big, like, meta, meta narrative, bar the word meta. There's a big meta narrative in the Old Testament that really comes to full fruition and is accomplished in the New Testament. Hebrews kind of is this book in the Bible that brings these two worlds together. But if you think about the story here and the parallels, I think the reason why God is not testing like God doesn't need to know.

He knows, right? I mean, ultimately, he knows. So even in the testing, there's like a grand purpose, a larger purpose in this whole story. And I think the larger purpose is the connection of what this is foreshadowing. So you think about the similarities to going up a hill by only begotten son, your only son. Where else are you said the language about only begotten son for God's who'd love the world that gave us a one begatten son, whoever believed in him, John 316. So this is all foreshadowing of Jesus.

And so what we're seeing here, it's a picture of the, it's a picture of the gospel, which the theological term is substitutionary penal atonement, which is that Christ takes on the penalty as our substitute. And so you see it here as they're going up the mountain. And I love the picture, too, in this of what faith looks like, because you see a couple of things that happen here with Abraham, and he's the prototype for our faith, right, how we respond. So when he's going up the mountain, he says a couple things that tell us what was going through his mind when he says that you stay something. So you stay here with a boy, the boy and I are going to go up the mountain.

And then we will worship. This is in verse five and return to you. Now think about that. He says, we're going up to the mountain. Abraham knows what's about to go down. He knows that he is about to sacrifice Isaac. But he is so, he believes that God is faithful that he. In his mind, the Hebrew writer explains what he was thinking.

It says the reason God could raise him from the dead. But you see it here in the Old Testament. He says, we're going to go up the mountain. We're going to worship. And then we're coming back. So in his mind, he trusted in the promises of God. When they get up there, what happens is there's this moment where he's about to plunge the knife into the heart of his son. And this is the foreshadowing of substitutionary payment where God says, stop.

He says, stop and look at the ram caught in the thicket. sacrifice the ram, God provided the sacrifice in exchange for Isaac. And so that's the foreshadding of the gospel that he's saying, like, I'm going to bring this to full fruition one day because I'm going to provide the sacrifice and the payment for your sin

in the form of the lamb. A lamb caught the thicket, which is Jesus. I think that's the big meta narrative here that's unfolding. Dan, and I think Jesus is right. It's like everything else the Old Testament, especially. There was in the moment, because this was all real for Abraham. I mean, we're looking back now thousands of years later and dissecting it, but he lived it.

You know, and this was over a 40-year period of his life. Yeah, but that's kind of what was my point. But then you've also got the bigger narrative. Well, that's my point, though. The whole experience, I mean, how many times have we seen in Hebrews 11 and you go back and look at them and they say they walk with God? What does that mean? I mean, what is time?

time is experiences that we have. This whole, when we started talking about Facebook and all this, they're, you know, they're trying to find a quick, easy way to experience social. I mean, they call it social, what do they, networking or, you know, how's your social life? And they're talking about, well, I got, you know, this many followers. But this experience of God with God and walking with God,

that is what's producing a relationship and a reliance of trusting that God cannot lie. He makes a promise because life is so difficult. I mean, you just think about it with your kids and all. I mean, there's so many valleys and so many challenges. And so, but after a while, you know, you're looking at the people in your inner circle. and the reason they're in your inner circle is because you know you can rely on them. Right. There's a loyalty here.

There's a trust here, which is what really relationship is all about. That's why when you throw in somebody like Enick, my whole point of this whole experience and this trust and God said, now I know, because they had this experience together. Right. Well, I mean, that formed a bond, which is how you get in Hebrews 11 in the Hall of Faith. Yes, right. I had this experience where Abraham stepped up, did the right thing. God provided the basis for this to happen with a promise and a test, and then he gives an oath.

And guess what? God was right. He was right all along. Let's take our last break. And Abraham was right to trust in him. That's right. So the only thing I would add to you, I like your lineup you had. You call it the promise.

I call it the call, which is in 12. There's a response because he didn't. He did what God asked him to do. Then in Genesis 15, they sealed their relationship, Abraham and God, with a covenant. They made a covenant together, which we do the same thing. When we say Jesus is Lord, we make a covenant with God. We're now in you. And so that covenant was there.

And then there was a test. And then there was an oath. You're exactly right. But you think about that, that's exactly what we do when we accept Christ. And we get into him. It's the same process, which is why it is that meta-narrative. I will say this, for those of you, I really want to encourage the audience. Go and read Genesis 12 through 22, all 10 of those chapters.

Because sometimes we read this and we think, oh, we could never relate to a guy. Who could do this? I mean, Dad said on the last podcast. I mean, who could have this much faith? But when you read all those chapters, you realize over the course of his life, he wasn't perfect. I mean, God made this promise. And it was a long time. So he's like, man, you know, I wish my servant could just get the blessing, God.

Because, you know, he's a good man. I don't have any kids. He's like letting God know, hey, by the way, I still don't have any kids here. And then Sarah comes in and says, I tell you what, why don't you take my maid servant as your wife? You know, because they had multiple wives back there and have a child through her. And then that son will be the blessing. Abraham's like, perfect. We're still within what God told us to do.

It'll be my son. So Ishmael is born. And 13 years go by and, you know, they get ready. They're like, okay, he's the guy. And then God shows up and says, okay, now remember what I told you all those years ago? It's about to happen now that you're 100. And so then he gets the next test, right? Does this really, is this really going to happen?

So what I love about that story is it makes Abraham totally relatable because we get impatient. And we start thinking, I don't know, God, are you still remember I'm here? That's the hard part. Like this test, you're reading like, oh, yeah, we're going to be tested. Tests are hard, you know. And if you don't, if you don't study, they're real hard. I mean, if you're, I mean, look, I remember those days in high school, I show up, hadn't studied, guess what? Fail.

But I'm saying in life. This is the man who failed his driving test the first. I actually felled it twice. I failed the written form the first time. Then I failed the driving form the second, which is because I went two miles per hour over. And look, don't ever do this if you fail your driving test. Don't ever say, you ever heard of something called grace? That woman opened that door.

Do they still drive around with you? Yeah, they do. I think so. They still do. do, but there's like a much more of a process now. You've got to go to school. I'm at young and proudful. So I get home and I was like, can you believe those people wouldn't give me, they wouldn't pass me? Because I went two miles per hour over when everyone knows that if you did that in front of a cop, he would never pull you over. I was like, that. You were, you were trying to apply. I would not take responsibility. I was like, that's what, that's what we do in, in tough situations. We always manipulate it, and especially when you got to. a test of this.

I mean, we're laughing. But, you know, if God told you to sacrifice your son, I would just say 99.9% of the people are like, no. Well, I think, I think Abraham, though, it is interesting. You mentioned, like, he had faith, but he also had imperfect faith because there was that whole big thing. He had doubts, yeah. There's the whole thing with Ishmael or, you know, Hagar.

But I think something happened when. And God finally delivered, you know, finally delivered that promise, you know, when he was the old age. Well, because there's a different. But he did. That was the basis. That was the basis. We brought that up last time that's really important that you said that. He had had a kid when he was 100.

So it's one thing for this crazy story, you know, God to ask you do something. But you've already, he's already asked you or not asked you, but just told you, I guess he asked him because I guess they went into a bedroom. Yeah, well, and the Hebrew writers. Here we go. Yeah, it's been a while. The Lord, I mean, I'm just saying, in any, look, in any other aspect of life, it's like the Lord told me, you know, I'm going in, I'm just putting this in a practical situation because you know they had to joke about it.

I mean, she got in trouble for laughing, but still, I mean, if I went in there at 100 and told Missy at 9, I was like, look, the Lord told me it's time. You know what you would do? You know what she would do? She would do what you did with that woman at this time for security. No, she would get out my playlist for our little, our little one. I fell into a burning room. All right, go ahead, sex.

Yeah, I don't know. I think where I was headed with that is that, that, you know, Abraham had this imperfect faith. It's just like us. He received the promise. He's going to try to help God accomplish what God. I promised to do because he thought, yeah, maybe guy's not going to do it on his own. So then we're going to take matters to our own hands. And then we're going to accomplish this promise for God.

That didn't work out very well. But I think in it, when God finally does deliver, you know, Abraham, there is a difference in the way he approached that second or that test, right? Like he, I mean, against all odds, he's going up the mountain thinking, I don't know how God's going to do it. I guess he's going to raise him from the dead. but he just knew after what he had experienced, he knew that God was going to come through. I was thinking about a question that I've asked myself a lot, is how do we have faith?

Like if I want to increase my faith, how does it happen? And there's this weird passage in Romans 4 when it talks about Abraham. In the ESV, it says that Abraham's faith increased as he gave glory to God. So I think there's like this prototype that when you give glory to God, when you live a life that is resting in the promises of God, what happens is it increases your faith because you begin to taste and see that the Lord is good.

And I think I said in the overtime last week that holiness is what you would basically do 100% of the time if you had all the information. Like if you really knew the end of the story, if you really knew what was at stake here, that God's revelation is leading to happy. or what John Piper calls Christian hedonism. If you really knew that there was this immense pleasure from following God, you would do it. And so I think that's, you said, how do I increase my faith? Well, start obeying God and giving them glory and see how that works out for you.

It'll increase your faith. Well, and I think, yeah, that's a good point. And I think just recognizing that there will be tests, there's going to be tests in your life. And it's not going to set up with your time frame. There's going to be a lot of times you can't see what the end is going to be like, or you don't have all the information. And, I mean, but you just, you tally all these stories up. I mean, I think even bringing Jesus into the world, I mean, you got, you know,

here's a pregnant woman who's, you know, going around saying, I mean, to her close inner circle. I mean, you know, God has made me pregnant. Yeah. Come on. Nobody believes. That's never going to fly in any culture at any time frame. And that, and guess what? And as a pregnant woman, you know, let's go get on a donkey and ride around, you know, and try to find some place.

I mean, you just think about how uncomfortable that had to be in the whole situation. And that's how the savior of the world arrived. I mean, through, you're talking about a test. I mean, we take it for granted. But if you were that couple with all that, it just seems like it was so crazy that you couldn't even hardly find it. And then as soon as he's born, the king decides we're going to kill all the. kids his age to make sure he doesn't survive. That, by the way, that was going on, which is why they fled to Egypt.

You know, it was amazing, which again is another shadow or copy. I just think, though, there's tests and there's, you're not going to have everything figured out as you're when you walk with God. If you're looking for that, because I think a lot of religious people, they want to figure everything out from a biblical standpoint and their life. They all, this, this, you're not going to, you're not going to know because a lot of things, are tests. That's right. All right, we're out of time, but in the overtime, I just thought about something I want to bring out about the consequences of when we try to fulfill the promises of

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