Unashamed with the Robertson Family - Ep 535 | Jase Stumbles into a Women’s Convention & the Overwhelming Response to Sadie’s Message

Episode Date: August 24, 2022

Jase attends a conference with Missy — and discovers he is the only man in the crowd. Missy may have left out a detail or two! Jase says Sadie Robertson Huff delivered an incredible message to women with surgical precision, using the audience's own cell phones to drive a powerful point home. Zach talks about the overwhelming response to Sadie's message, and Phil wonders how many mass repentances are happening in America during these strange times. Zach discusses the organizations that are united in translating the Bible for various people groups who currently have no access to the scriptures in their language. And Jase discusses the belief in the unseen, ghosts, and the angelic realm. Watch the Unashamed overtime show, only on BlazeTV: https://BlazeTV.com/Unashamed - Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

I am unashamed. What about you? Well, so we're discussing what is the difference? Because I thought about you, Dad, so what is a podcast? And I thought, you know, I don't know. I've never. Al, my first impression was it took you over 500 episodes to say, what exactly are we doing? That's where I am.

Yeah. Right there. Pod. Pod. When I first heard it, I thought, when you cast a reel. So we're casting information from a center where there's just a pod of us. That's what I was thinking, podcast, as in casting. Well, now I thought, so I thought broadcast, they used to go, what is it?

Oh, yeah, you're my dad. Put your ears on too. The, you know, a broadcast is what they've always called, like the news or. Oh, so you're saying. I'm saying it's a different kind of. is a surgical. So a pod, like a small... No, but you're still going to a broad audience.

Yeah, but maybe it's the nature. I don't know. Is that what it, do you know? I got the cast part. You go out and read, real... Well, that came from me. That could be totally wrong. That's wrong.

It's more like a... We're casting. We're casting information. I'm younger. I'm younger than you guys, so right now, I just Googled it. By the way, so I thought I was saying pod cat. So when I went to decide with the idea of a podcast. You know, I've heard him say that. He said, when he asked me to be on his pod, he said, I want you to be on my podcat. And I said,

cast, and he went, yeah. So, podcast. Podcat. I like podcast better as opposed to. Podcat. Oh, we're starting a podcat. Yeah. So what's, so give us your, your young person definition from Google. I'm looking on Wikipedia, which I don't even know how to pronounce this word. It says podcast is a portmanteau of iPod and broadcast. The earliest use of podcast. So I guess it came from the idea of Apple iPod, the iPod. I got it.

And then it's how do we, so it's basically kind of like a radio show that is put on the iPod. Right. Now you can consume it anywhere, but I guess originally. Yeah, iPod broadcast. They just put those two turns together. Yeah, I got it now. Podcasts. So you got that, Phil?

No, but I mean. You got to remember, we're getting into a language barrier people are using. You need a translator. We need a translator. We're butchering the English language every way. You know, people who call themselves, you know, woke. I'm like, woke. Woke.

You just woke up this morning. I mean. Is that a negative thing that you woke up? Because if you didn't wake up, you would be dead. They're like speaking another language that I don't know what they're talking about. Some of them are just saying, this is woke, and they're just sprawling. They tape themselves screaming. They say, look at me.

Are you looking or are you looking? I'm woke. Yeah. They want attention. They're saying, I'm not worth anything. How about this? Just start screaming. Maybe they're screaming.

And showed one to me, and he said, this is the woke. crowd and she was just sitting there and poor little thing she would just screaming at the top of her alone maybe she was trying to wake everybody else up because she was well she was but she planned it because I could tell she'd put her computer up over here her phone said I think I'm going to stand

here and scream I'm looking at it and I'm several words come up mental illness I just want to be demon possession I want somebody to say you did good I guess that's what she's doing I don't know.

Not enough discipline early on. Have you ever felt good about somebody just standing there screaming to the top of their lung? No. I thought, well, unless there's a problem. Yeah, I mean, if somebody's attacking you, I get it. But if you're just kind of setting up your camera. I think she was starved for somebody to say, you're doing good, kid. I mean, she wants to be recognized and nobody will pay any attention to her.

she said well maybe if i just tape myself screaming somebody will listen but then you say so you're saying it's a cry for help what you could be true true woke i like that so so now dad you understand podcasts it's a combination of an ipod which ipods do people even have iPods it's a it's it's a portmanteau portmanteau so i had to google what is portmanteau which is a what is that's uh we're we're down the rabbit out now yeah a portmanteau is a portmanteau is a portmanteau is a portmanteau is a portmanteau is a portmanteau is a portmanteau is a word that is a blend of words. Is that French? I had the,

spelled French. It's got the T-E-A-U on the end, kind of like the Go-T Tigers, you know, spelled with in, Oh, yeah. G-E-A-U-French, yeah. I think that was a...

Like the word smog is a combination of the word smoke and fog, smog, so that's a portmanteau. So go ahead. So, I mean, they did come up with French fries. So, I mean, this deserves to... What did they say it was exactly? So Portmanteau is a word that's a blend of words in which parts of multiple words are combined into a new word, such as smogged, coined by blending smoke and fog, or motel, which is a combination of motor and hotel.

No, that's a toy company. Yeah, it is. It is. So I guess, so podcast is a portmanteau of iPod and broadcast. I got it. By the way. We learned five minutes of my life. I'll never get back.

Are any of these, is any part of the new language that tends to be spreading across these United States, do they use Bible words? Is any of that from the Bible, any of those words? pod this doubtful you know doubtful all this stuff

I mean is that even mentioned in the Bible yeah are you asking me I'm asking you I mean no what checks I thought you were

I thought you were I thought you were being rhetorical I thought it was a rhetorical question but there was like that sinus and nobody's looking at me

I'm like I thought you were going to launch into a speech after that I'm just saying if I could find a Bible verse for it that encourages that kind of behavior or wordage. I'd like to see where it is, but I haven't found one yet. I think you were being sarcastic. But as the English language grows, I mean, certainly, that's the thing about the Bible.

The themes are what go forward. I mean, language changes. I mean, this is what third language since this has been filtered through for us to even understand it. So I get it that new stuff comes along. I never realized there was a word for combining words. But thank you, Zach. You have made us all a little brighter today. Well, that's our culture.

It's not me, guys. It's Google. I'm just the messenger. That's funny. So you were just here, which we were looking around. We were thinking you were going to be in studio today. And you're already back. I mean, you're like a leaf in the wind, Zach.

I look up. You're just moving on. He was actually an eyewitness to I thought was going to be one of the most embarrassing moments of my life, but it turned out to one of the highlights. Because I saw randomly, without knowing Zach was in town, I bumped into Zach. What are the odds? He's from North Carolina. I'm in Louisiana, and we bumped into each other.

He just randomly bumped into each other. Well, you gave me a look. I tapped you in the shoulder, and you looked at me like, who are you? It's like there's a moment, like you were trying to process. Why are you here? Well, and here's why. Here's the backstory to that. The reason that I had that awkward look, and I'll now unveil what I was thinking in that moment,

is because I felt like I got sabotaged this weekend because Missy said there's an event at the Civic Center. And I think we should go support our family. I said, all right, I'm in. I didn't have to hear anything else. It was Sadie's live original, right? Sadie, my niece, was speaking, and they had a whole weekend. So when I pull in the parking lot, because they have a, you know, we had a place where the family could go, so we didn't have to be with the masses, as I gazed upon the hundreds of people going into this into the Monroe Civic Center,

there was one thing that I noticed. They were all women. And so we stopped. It was a women's event. Well, I didn't know that. She didn't tell me that. So as I turned the ignition off, because it was me and her and the baby, I said, is this a woman's event? And she said, well, you're family.

I said, you didn't answer the question. She said, well, you can be the babysitter. I was like, I don't even know how to respond to that. So then I was nervous because my first impression there was to run. And then I thought, if I just start running, what will happen in my marriage from this day? I mean, because I just, I felt real claustrophobic. My head started sweating. I just, I don't know.

I thought, how am I going to get out of this? This is terrible. Because it's not like you're not going to stand out. That's what I'm saying. With 3,000 women, you're standing out. He stood out because I saw you walk in. Well, Zach was there. So there was another man.

Because then Missy started like peppering me with questions. What percentage of males were at this event? Zach and Jason. Let me, 0.0.0.1. Zach Jason's Christian. Let me rephrase that. 0.002. Me and Zach.

No, I saw four or five other guys maybe. But so then I just thought, you know what? I mean, after I gave my speech, because Missy kept saying, I mean, I don't know. It's a family. I mean, you're hurting it. It has nothing to do with it's a woman's event. And I was like, I'm a man. I went that Oklahoma State.

What age? Oklahoma State coach when he went on the round. I said, I'm 50. I'm a man. I can be seen from a distance. I want to be a distraction. I noticed you censored. He left out one thing he put in there.

And she said, are you done? I said, all right, let's go. So what age group would you say? I would say most were, what, 15 to 30? I don't know, Jay. Yeah, it was, yeah, it's a lot of 15 to 30, probably majority 15 to 24. Yeah, they were young women. Well, that sounds like a pretty good gathering for women that age.

So as embarrassing as this was, when we walked backstage and say, lady came out, she was fixed to come out, her and her husband, Christian, that my, I changed when I saw there was a, there was a glow going on here. And plus, I just sensed when I walked in, maybe it's the Holy Spirit, do what you will with it, but I just thought, this is going to be good. And when I saw her, I thought, this is going to be good. I just sensed it. And so I sensed it to the point I leaned over and I told me, see, I said, this is going to be good. And I thought, So how many, as far as the response, someone said the hundreds, hundreds of us. Oh, yeah.

We did the worship, which was outstanding, Zach's daughter. Yeah, tell you. And look, it was several family members. You had Will, Willie's adopted son. He was up there. He's same. I saw Leila, which is Zach's daughter. Somebody else I saw if it was in the family.

Reeves Walker. Well, Reeves, they're close family friends. then the girl that married Kaylee that married into the family she was one of the singers her brother her brother married Bella yeah so I mean I'm saying that was and I saw they had like a little choir group and I saw some other members of the family in that but that was outstanding so then Sadie got up and spoke and I won't go into the speech because I think that's going to be like a tour isn't it exactly I'm not sure what what they're going to do. I know they released an EP, which you guys got to check it out.

I think the big song that was kind of took over the conference. And I don't think it was intentional either. It's called Open. You can get on iTunes, Spotify, wherever you get your music at. But man, it's this idea of just like surrendering before the Lord. So I think they're talking about doing a tour slash thing with the release of the album and Sadie's going to message as well. Trust me, after what I saw, they're going to do a tour. That was, It was awesome. It was powerful. They need to do that again.

Because, I mean, look, I've spoken at the Monroe Civic Center many times. Which I wanted to say something about that. Hang on. Let's take our first break. Well, it's just a tough crowd for whatever. That thing. It was built back in the 50s or whatever. We need a new thing.

Zach. They pulled it off. Whoever organized that, which Sadie's message was outstanding. I mean, and it was, you know, I thought we were talking about, you know, podcast and thinking that that's a surgical approach. So Sadie's real articulate, and I thought, well, Phil's articulate. I mean, as a bachelor's degree in English, but this was more a surgical strike using technology to point people to Jesus, you know, just within the speech. had several illustrations that were really cool,

especially for young people, you know, where I thought, you know, as opposed to Phil's sledgehammer. Yeah. You know, what, didn't he think, that? Yeah, it's funny because you,

because you were there the last night, with the first night, the first lady that spoke, and I can't remember her name, but I'm, you're talking about, man, it was a massive response to the first night, too.

But you know what her entire, she came out on stage and she said, she said, we're fixing to perform surgery. So you use the word surgical approach. And so she kind of set the whole weekend up with that. But, you know, it was very strategic. I say strategic. It wasn't really strategic.

It was intentional. You know, I got to the first night, I mean, before they would go on stage, Sadie would lead the team and they would lead, she'd lead them in worship and prayer and just kind of get a charge. But, man, the authenticity and the sincerity in that place. It was pretty cool because there was some big, like, music artists there. And they're like people that we all know, like top of the billboard type people. There was a president of a major music label was there. And I was watching them interact.

And they were just serving. Like literally, one of the girls was just serving milkshakes. And another girl, they went there to perform. They were there just to be a part of this. And everybody that I talked to, they had the same work. They said that there's a, there's just a sincerity here and that they really felt the presence of the Lord. And yeah, I thought it was like incredibly special, just the, how sincere the whole entire thing. I'm sure Sadie is, her team's going to put it online because they did record the whole thing.

So I would, we'll update you when that happens because you guys got to go watch it. It was, it was beautiful moment. We're going back so the audience will understand this. as a child Sadie, Willie's daughter, she would come up, they'd come visit,

you know, at Thanksgiving and whatever, but she'd be there. I mean, I would say she was about, what, four, about four or five years old. Bible verses was coming out of that girl.

She was standing on a coffee table. And I asked Willie, did he teach her all that? He said, no, she just, uh, she just,

she just speaks in biblical language. I mean, the Bible version is just coming out ever when she was four years old. I thought, man, I said, that little girl there. Well, she definitely has an an anointing. There's no doubt. Oh, that's something going on. So I heard they baptized hundreds of girls. Hundreds.

The response was. Well, I was just going to say, you know, she kind of led everyone. Do they have a baptistery on the premises? Well, I'm going to explain how that went out. She, she was kind of. of a typical, you know, where you commit your life to Jesus, you know. A crusade. And so they did that.

And then she's like, I was shocked at the next part. Then she's like, and, you know, if you want to be baptized and she quoted Romans 6, or maybe she read it, first four or five verses in Roman 6. You know, it talks about reenacting Jesus of the death, male resurrection. And she's like, so I'm going to ask you to do something. If you want to do that tonight, we're going to make that available to you. And I'm going to ask you to stand. And before, you know, if you think, well, I'm nervous about that.

And she's like, if you can't stand up here with all this support, you know, for giving your life to Jesus, you're not going to stand up out there. Great, great thought. Great line. Because we've almost made it sometimes in these large gatherings the other way. Like, we don't want anybody to know what anybody's deciding to do. But that's just the opposite. You tell you a time to stand. up and be counted.

Well, it was real moving, like Missy and I, where we were sitting, there was one girl that just stood up, like, close to us. And, I mean, it was like her, she was just raining tears. But she was just standing there by herself, you know, because most of the places I've been, you know, if somebody stands up, people kind of stand up in support of them. but I guess the way Sadie phrased that, it was just like, you know, you're committing your life to Jesus. So they just stood up on their own. But it was real moving seeing that. And then they had two, I guess, these portable pools, I guess, outside or maybe they went in the fountain out there. I don't know.

I thought, because so many people went out there, I thought they're going to need to use that fountain. You know, there's a fountain right in front of the Civic Center. I thought, perfect. but it was 100. I mean, I heard anywhere from over 800, it was a few, yeah,

it was a few hundred. I mean, because I think at that point, I know they said they baptized people for over two hours, which is two at a time. Yeah, two baptisteries going. Yeah,

two at a time in each baptistry. And it went on for, I mean, it was, it was insane. It was incredible. It was, there was a moment when I'm looking at it,

because I'm up in the, the friends and family section with, and where they put all the guys and all the men. So I'm looking down, but you're looking down at it and you're, and it's just like this mass exodus of people just walk. It looked like a Billy Graham. That's exactly what I thought.

It had the feel of like a crusade. A question came in my mind. I don't know of them, but I don't, you know, I don't have a computer to check things. But is that going on anywhere else in America? I'm sure it probably is. I mean, maybe not anything that unique in terms of,

but I'm sure there's other things you don't hear about. I don't know. That's a good question. But if people are responding to Jesus at that level, that may be a sign. You see what I'm saying? I think, yeah, yeah, there was something going on for sure. I mean, I told us yesterday, you know,

So it's interesting that you, because she's intentionally, like, chose to put this on in Monroe, which is like, you know, if it's not exactly a destination spot. Not a, not a destination spot. You mentioned the Civic Center. I mean, it's like, okay, let's let's let's put on an incredible event. Like I'm thinking, okay, go to Dallas, go to Atlanta, go to a place it's easy to get to. But I mean, I think the Lord just confirmed her now. This needs to be in Monroe. And I think, I think one of the reasons why is because I think it's, the idea.

idea is that really all this is a work of the spirit. I mean, and it's just, are we, are we on board with what he's doing? If God wants to, to do something, he can do it in Monroe, Louisiana. He can do it in London, England. He can do wherever he wants. And, I mean, he was doing something this weekend in Monroe, Louisiana. I'm telling you, it was, it was a really, really special time. I'm glad we got to be a part of it.

Well, I've always said before, Zach, that, you know, dad, when dad's life changed, he moves down here on the river. and I mean, we're far away from everything. We're in the middle of nowhere where we're sitting right here today. And yet the Almighty just sent them by the thousands. Yep. Over 40 years to find him. It's a reminder.

If you share Jesus in a sincere way, I'm telling you people respond. You sometimes forget, I'm telling you, the church becomes negative sometimes. You're looking around, you know, everybody's like, oh, my goodness, you know, what if we go? This whole thing's going to fall, and it's just terrible. Then you go out there and see something. something like this, well, stand up and share Jesus, because that's your best weapon. That's right. I mean, I'm telling you that place was rocked.

You couldn't fake this. You couldn't make it up. You couldn't. I mean, that's why I'm saying people say, oh, yeah, I'm sure that went good. That's why I said it went from one of the embarrassing moments to a special moment. I mean, I'm glad I was sitting there and saw it. It really ignited by faith, you know, in when you make Jesus known, good things happen. powerful ways.

But it still shows you the power of the gospel has not changed at all. No, no, because it was simple. Her lesson, it was very simple. You know, and it was, I think, audience appropriate in that that's why I said, she used her phone as illustrations and different things. I mean, the just of it was, you know, and lights and they, I mean, she had coordinated some very clever ideas along the way, but because she basically, went through the first few chapters in Genesis, you know, starting off with the first thing

God did in a physical way was separate light and darkness. Well, you know where she's getting eventually going to get to there. She brought up the, you know, the Genesis 6 about the rainbow after the flood and the reason that from a spiritual standpoint there was so much darkness. But I tell you what, there'll be no person there that will ever look at a rainbow the same after being there. I mean, it was real clever, but she was focusing on the promises of God,

which is where we're at in Hebrew. How old is, how old is, Sadie? 24, maybe. 24? Something like that. 24, 25. Hang, let's take a break.

Yeah, 24, 25. I mean, she's, she's, I mean, but look, you're thinking about what all, she obviously, as we said, had an an anointing from an early age. She, of course, she grew up here and was just, you know, a normal kid, but then she was on our show and shine like new money.

And then she was on Dancing with the Stars and just knocked it out of the part there. So it's obviously God's hand is on her. Yep. But that's why I said. She's a servant. She loves people. Yeah, when I saw her before the speech, I thought, yeah. I mean, she was completely comfortable with a smile on her face.

I sense zero anxiety. And I was like, you ready? She said, this is going to be good. She uses a word a lot, like expecting. And I think that, like, her, the people that came were coming. They came expecting. And so, you know, they raise money for Illumination, which is an incredible ministry where they've taken 11, there were 11 organizations that were involved in Bible translations. I didn't realize this, but there's like, until the last couple years, there's like over several thousand people groups that do not have the Bible in their language, which is incredible that that's like a.

thing. And so all these different organizations were kind of competing, not competing, but working towards this end, but they weren't really collaborating. So a group of money people came together and said, hey, they went and met with all 11 organizations that said, if you don't have to worry about raising money, can you guys work together to like, let's get this thing done in our lifetime? Because they were looking at like 150 years from now before this would all be done. And they're like, we don't have to worry about raising money. They're like, we'll take care of the money. And they're like, yeah, we can work together. And so what they did was they're going to have, think about this, they're going to have the Bible translated into every language in the world by 2003 in our lifetime, which is incredible.

Zach, if you go to the Bible Museum in D.C., there's a room because they're a part of that. There's a room where there were big parts of that. Yeah, they're showing you. They're showing you what's going to happen. I mean, they've got the ones that have already been done, but you look at the empty spaces. is all those will be translated every language, which, by the way, sounds like Matthew 28. Yep.

Yeah, we need to have them on that. We need to have them on the podcast. So I guess so. I'm glad you said that. So I'm working something out. I'm going to be up there in D.C. for another event, Lisa and I are. And so I've got in contact with them. I'm actually going to do our podcast from there.

I mean, you know, y'all will be here. But I'm going to be there. And we're going to have a couple of the folks from the Biomuseum on there. So I'm super excited about it. So I'm actually, yes, actually in the works. I mean, that thing is amazing. You know, just looking at the history of the Word of God. What's the name of it again, Zach, in case somebody wants to look for?

It's called Illuminations, Illuminations. And here's what's funny. Typically, these concerts, Christian concerts or conferences or Christian concerts, all these things, they always have, like, the calls, right? And I was talking to the girl that works for illuminations. I said, typically, what is the response when you guys go to raise money for these things? And she said about 2% of the people give money at the conference. That's the industry standard, two to four percent.

And, but I saw like the goal, we like, I think the goal was $75,000. And they ended up raising like over 200. And I said, wow. And I said, how, what percentage of this audience gave to, and it was over like 25%. Which, again, just speaks to what was going on. Like everything about this whole, everything was a, was so sincere that I think it's encouraging for me to Jason's point earlier, man, we, I mean, look, I'm, I will prophesy doomsday. That's a struggle I have.

I love the world's gone to hell in a handbasket and all that. But man, when you see like God shows up in these dark times, you know, shows up in these, what Markshares calls the gray zone when we're in between two eras of time and, and culture shifting. Like, that's where God, like, moves a lot. And I think we're in this place right now where we're kind of leaving one age or going into a new age. We don't, there's a lot of cultural change.

we all are experiencing it, right? They were fearful and we're scared. And what's going to happen? Here's the deal. We have to remember that we are part of the kingdom that was prophesied in, I think, Daniel chapter two or seven. We belong to the kingdom that's not going to be shaken or destroyed. And it's moments like what we saw this weekend where you realize, like, God's moving.

Like, God is moving even right now. God's people are moving. People are wanting to buy in, to do stuff, to move, to act. I mean, people want to be a part of where the Holy Spirit is moving. I think our goal and strategy should just be lit. We should probably put our head on a swivel and just start looking, where is God moving and then go move into whatever he's already doing? Yeah, I just noticed that yesterday morning I looked around.

They started telling me where they were from, and there was probably all a dozen states that they were from, a dozen different states that people had gathered up down there where we, We are on the other side of pretty tough neighborhood, but they were visitors from all over the country. Yeah. They were there. Yeah, and we're excited. We're going to keep that.

So we got a new class that we're having at the main campus at WFR. Mom and dad are going to be coming back over there. And it's called the Unashamed Gospel Bible Study. And so every Sunday, if you guys come to West Monroe anytime you're passing through, there'll be dear old dad over there doing this thing, which we're excited about. about at 9 o'clock at WFR. So we're going to start that September the 4th. So I know a lot of you podcast listeners, you know, come through from time to time.

So we're excited to have them. I've been in that little location the last four years. Yeah, we're making some changes over there. We've had several hundred baptized there at 300, 300, over 300. So some of them down here on the river, most of them there. But it's a, it's a beautiful thing to watch. It's all unsay. There's still hope, boys.

Well, and that's really what this podcast. podcast is about, right, Zach? I mean, and Sadie's got a podcast. Tell them, before we do our break, Zach, about the, what's the music thing? They're doing the worship thing, because folks have sent me notes about that. Zach, they were really, they were really bragging on your daughter. They said, that girl really has a tremendous voice. How old was that girl?

She's 18. And, yeah, it's kind of cool because, you know, she's had a, I don't think God's really called her to do worship ministry. and music and was looking at different things. Simultaneously, Sadie wanted to start producing music and kind of like worship initiatives and things like that. So she, so Live Original, L.O., they just released an EP, which is five songs. They're all worship songs that kind of go with what they're kind of built around the idea

of the conference. But yeah, so Sadie called me and say, hey, you know, we've. ask me if, if, if, if, if Layla could be a part of it. And I was like, yeah, I would love her Layla to be disciple by you, number one. But yeah, absolutely. So Layla is one of the lead vocalists on the initiative. Rees Walker, who's a dear friend, who by the way, was in, was in my college ministry and for four years. And he calls me one of his mentors. And I, and I, I, I, I, I never knew he could sing. So I don't, I don't know how good of a mentor I was to him that I never saw his greatest gifting.

I told him his mom. But he started singing after, like, when we moved and, and, uh, he led worship for us. Yeah. Yeah. He said, it was at Camp Chioca. And he sang, um, a duet at the talent show called Tennessee. It wasn't Tennessee whiskey. They changed the name was like Tennessee apple juice or something.

I can't remember. And, uh, but he's saying it as like a parody. And Sadie's like, dude, he can sing. And he's like, Reads, uh, Reads was the lead vocalist. But yeah, you guys got to go check it out. I mean, some of these songs, and they were written by Sadie and Kaylee and Reads, and there's a few others involved in that as well. Where do they go?

Where do they go to get it? So wherever you stream music, you can go to Apple. You can go to Spotify. There's probably the two main places people are going to go. But Amazon would just put in L-O-Worship, L-O-Worship, and then it'll pop up. up and you can listen to the five songs and they're all very well written and yeah they're beautiful so yeah how they recommend it let's let's take another break well that's all good stuff I'm glad that happened everybody was excited about it um you are ready to get in back into hebrews

well we can't dance I got a new outline hit me for Hebrews yeah I actually read it somewhere but I thought I was been saying where'd you where'd you read that outline read it somewhere And, but it was along the lines of what I said. It was simple. So you got chapter one through chapter, what, 10.5. Yep. Jesus is better. They didn't have that part.

You know, it was something. Yeah. Sounded a lot more intellectual. But simple. Jesus is better. Then chapter 11 in faith. Yeah. Chapter 12 in hope.

chapter 13 in love in love yeah do you ever notice that no i haven't not so i immediately when i read that i went and read chapter 11 12 and 13 i was like no what kind of there's no way there's no way that's going to make sense oh yeah perfect good it was a uh whoever thought that and noticed that first well done well That falls into the wrap-up. Well, it's just weird. He talks about faith, and he's basically talking about... When you get ready for the wrap-up, I'm ready.

Yeah, Dad's ready to wrap it up. He's talking about hope without really saying the word hope. But in Chapter 12, he's lab, you know, don't lose heart. Right. And don't grow weary and treat this like in the correct way, you know. But say, because you don't want them to give up. You got to remember that you forget the theme of this is that, They were wanting to leave Jesus and to give up, and he was trying to encourage them.

So, I mean, he spent 10 chapters saying, look, better focus on Jesus. Right. Or what we're going to get to in chapter 12, that word when it says, let us fix our eyes. I did a little research on that word as in to stare. That's good. You stare. Well, think about that. I mean, why would he use such a word as that?

I mean, because most of the time when you're staring at something, or either it kind of creeps people out or you're thinking about something else. But he's like almost, I mean, everything else got to be blurry in your faith. It's a stare on Jesus. Yeah, a focus, you know, you think about it in your eyes, if you're like me and you have bad eyesight, when I put on glasses or contacts, it brings everything into focus. right now I don't have them on, so everything's blurry. One little caveat on that theme.

If you notice, I'll just give you point one of a eight to ten minute rant. But you notice, when Jesus showed up. A pre-rant? A pre-rant, which goes to what you just said in the book of Hebrews, it was interesting that the first people, anything, Nothing was negative. Everything's good. Jesus is here.

In those days, here comes John the Baptist. He's preaching and repent for the kingdom of heaven is near. He's getting ready. The savior of the world is finally here. Matthew is recording what the Hebrew writer really expounded on. The first friction, I'm in Matthew 3. That's where it begins. something very real begins.

As soon as John the Baptist looked up and saw the Pharisees and the teachers of the law and the priest, when he saw that group, the groundwork is being laid, i.e. the book of Hebrews. It's being laid out right here. Because when he saw them, listen to this. and this is the messenger of God is showing when he saw many of the Pharisee, people went out to him first from Jerusalem, Judea, the whole region of Jordan confessing their sins, they were baptized by him in the Jordan River

at this time, look, you look up and here's what you see. But when he saw many of the Pharisees and Sadducees coming to where he was baptizing. He said to them, check this out, you brood of vipers, who warns you of the coming of wrath, to flee from the coming wrath? Produce fruit in keeping with repentance.

And do not thank you what you can say to yourselves, we have Abraham, our father. Sounds like the book of Hebrew on why Jesus is better. I tell you that not one of these stones God can raise up for children for Abraham, He can bring them out of rocks. He said, I tell you that out of these stones, God can raise up children for Abraham. The axe is already at the root of the trees. And every tree that does not bear good fruit will be cut down and thrown into the water.

I baptize you with water for repentance. But after me, we'll come one, and here's the one that they eventually murder. according to Acts when it's Stephen's story. I baptize you with water for repentance, but after me one will come as more powerful than I, whose sandals I have not fit to carry.

He will baptize you with the Holy Spirit and fire. He's the one that's going to do away with law and replace it with grace. His wintering fork is in his hand, and he will clear his stretching floor, gathering the wheat into the barn, and burning up the chaff with unquenchable fire. That's the opening line directed toward.

And after that, I'm going to show you on my wrap-up. All of a sudden, every time Jesus turned around, they were there going, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, over and over, no matter what he did, he'd heal the sick, the blind, that it'd get on him, it'd get on him, it'd get on him, until finally, oh yeah, they finally pulled it off. That's get way over in the book of Matthew. My point is they were the enemy of the cross.

As soon, John's announcing it, and there's going to be blowback. And the people that are going to do the murdering and the killing and all of the negative stuff, they're the most supposedly the most godly people on the earth. the teachers, the priests, and all you read Hebrews, you say, no, Jesus is better. The Hebrew writer didn't handle it near as rough as John the Baptist and Jesus while he was on the earth. There was a battle going on, and it was coming from the very things of the First Covenant

under the law of Moses. It's just showing you you can't turn human beings over with law, because if you do, they'll go rogue every time. I agree. Let's take a break. Don't you think it's a little bit astounding that the very people who were supposed to be loving God and loving their neighbor, they're under the law of Moses. They've been under the law of Moses for 1,500 years. You would expect more from a group of individuals than what you got. No, I agree. Remember, I'm going to, I'm going up to Jerusalem, and the teachers of the law and the priest are going to put me to death, and then I'm going to be being raised from the death. He said it over and over and over. They were his enemy instead of embracing him as the

Messiah. It's, it's, well, and they didn't get the whole, they didn't realize this was God's plan and that this was a shadow. That's right. Not the reality. That's right. And so they didn't realize that this was a time thing. This is before Jesus is here. And so they were attaching that is purely good and evil. If you're not for the ritual worship and you're evil. And it can't save you. That's the, yeah.

I mean, to me, it's not a whole lot different than what you see in the religious world today when people attach the manner in which we're going to worship instead of who, as in good and evil and not good and evil as good and evil. I mean, there's obvious, sin is obvious.

Yeah. But that's kind of the wrap up right there, showing you the no i think it's a valid point i mean look at phil i think where we struggle is that i mean you got a guy in prison for some heinous crime that they happen every day and you got a guy who's a religious who doesn't love jesus or who is uh you know what we read about in corinthians where it says the angel uh the evil one masquerades as an angel of light or you know, someone who is a legalist or you say, well, what's the difference in those two? One is socially acceptable and one is not.

But when you really look at it from a Jesus perspective, I mean, if you don't have Jesus, you got nothing. Oh, they miss it. You know, but for us, we think, oh, well, this is socially acceptable. So it's not like they committed a crime, but when you're anti-Jesus, you're anti-Jesus. Yeah, exactly. And Stephen covers the same material. I was sitting the stage. Stephen got the whole, remember when he gave the whole history of the Jewish people?

It was the ultimate suitcase. It was all bad. And he got him killed. It was the ultimate suitcase sermon. Jason, remember when we were in school, they toast if you preach the suitcase. Well, he said it was a suitcase sermon. Think about it, Al. You all murdered the prophets, and now you turned around.

They used the term murder. And now you've murdered the very one that can save you. So when you're, Al, when you're. Getting the coffin ready while you're preaching. The coffin. Yeah. That means you've struck a nerve. Yeah.

You know, I mean. It means you made a mad glad or sad. Let me read this text in Hebrews 11 to set the stage for the rest of this and for the next podcast. Because it actually goes in what Dad was talking about because the Hebrew writer, you mentioned that he wasn't near his heart. It is interesting that. After Jesus died, he softened. Well, because he's trying to, he's trying to reach back out to him. Me, think about what John, Jay, you brewed a vipers, you there.

So, and I like his approach. In verse 23, it says, by faith, Moses' parents hid him for three months after he was born because they saw he was no ordinary child, and they were not afraid of the king's edict. So here's another, Jay, it's another one of those shadow situations, because the same thing happened to Jesus, remember when he was born. There was a jealous king that said, you know what, the only way we're going to get this guy is kill all the babies. Well, the same thing was happening in Moses' day, which is interesting.

In verse 24, by faith, Moses, when he had grown up, refused to be known as the son of Pharaoh's daughter. He chose to be mistreated along with the people of God rather than to enjoy the pleasure of sin for a short time. It's a really interesting way that he puts that. And to your point, Dad, that's really a better look at Moses than what you get when you go back and read in Exodus. And then he says, he regarded a disgrace for the sake of Christ as of greater value. than the treasures of Egypt. Don't say that's interesting, Jays, that he's talking about Jesus as if he were there, which he was, even back in Moses' day, because he was looking ahead to his reward.

By faith he left Egypt, not fearing the king's anger, he persevered because he saw him who is invisible. I love that line. Yeah, and so we'll get into it. That's what faith, you know, I mean, I said one time in a lesson, And my opening line was, you know, I believe in ghosts. Yeah. I have friends that I can't see. Right.

See that. If you just stop right there, somebody's calling mental health. I mean, seriously, that's true, though. This is ridiculous to people who are not believers. You know, I mean, he trusted, I mean, you're reading this story. We know these stories where I think we're taking them for granted, but you're like, his whole key thing was that he saw him who was invisible. That's not going to sit well with the world. No.

But it goes to what you were talking about earlier, about fixing your eyes on Jesus or what Paul said in 2nd Corinthians. The idea is to be able to see the invisible. Well, that's what we never really spend much time talking about how you exactly do that. But we always, I feel like have to take a time out and say, look, if you and getting back to what Sadie said, I love one time, she's like, she's like, you want to know what to do practically? And she held the Bible. And she held it up and said, know this. Get to know this. And it was just a, it was so simple yet profound.

It was like, you know, go, it wasn't go home and read your Bible. It was a know this. Right. Because when you read it, Jesus comes to life and you see him. Right. You visualize, you imagine, even though it's invisible to your eye. That's why I think that the chosen has resonated so well because people want to see. But you got to remember, this is based on faith.

You got to go back in your mind and see these situations. And the more you read the Gospels, the more that becomes. comes visible to you in your real life. Right. Would you agree? No, I agree 100%. And the thing about it is, look, it never gets old because you always learn new things from the truth. Yeah, because there's something about, if you start focusing on the character of it all, to go back to Zach made that point, I think when we initially got to Hebrews 11, but when you're looking at not just what he did or the legal aspects of what he did or trying to have some argument about.

Oh, well, was he really, did his anger go too far when he cleared the temple and the way legalistic type people do? When you look at the character inside these stories, I think that's where it's really powerful to your own life. Because look, things are going to go bad. They're not going to go well. You're going to have. It works. Hang on, Dan. Hold that one because we're out of time, but we are at you read that in the overtime.

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