Unashamed with the Robertson Family - Ep 537 | Jase Finds Louisiana Mushrooms & Phil Measures Endurance Against Belief

Episode Date: August 28, 2022

Jase is surprised by the 40 hours of continuous rainfall in Louisiana. Al and Jase discuss the abundance of mushrooms that have popped up, some of which make Louisiana a hot spot for foragers. Al discusses the greatest carbon eaters on the planet countering industrialization. Phil brags about his granddaughter, Anna Stone, who has a great track record of taking care of other people, and Al explains how to break generational curses. Phil details how what you believe has a profound effect on what you can endure. And Al compares how many martyrs there are today with the Christian martyrs before Jesus' death.  Watch the Unashamed overtime show, only on BlazeTV: https://BlazeTV.com/Unashamed - Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

So probably by the time I am unashamed. What about you? I'm hoping it will not be raining. I'm starting to kind of get the feeling that I need to start building a boat. Maybe there's some kind of message going on. We've been talking about knowing the ark quite a bit in the book of Hebrews. We have had some rain. Do you ever remember a rainy or August than this?

It went from a drought to a flood. Yeah, that's right. I mean, I was going home yesterday from yesterday's podcast, which it has not stopped raining since then. But 36 hours straight. And, you know, our gate was open, and there was a trash can in the middle of the road. And I thought, you know, typical old man. I'm talking about the old man that I buried. My first response was the first two words that I got out of my mouth was, what idiot?

Because I was going to say, put their garbage can in the middle of the road. and then I thought the rain did that. The rain carried Al's garbage can, so he was the... That was the idiot. Why I'd said idiot, which my apologies, Al. Because I quickly realized nobody would do that. That the rain transported his garbage can.

Was it full of garbage? No, they had emptied them. So it was two garbage cans. One of them was laying over. That's why. I figured it out. It had taken a ride down your driveway, made a turn. Of course, it's headed down to where floodwater goes, which is down to that pond.

The bottom of the hill. Yeah. Yeah. It was headed toward that creek. Yeah, exactly. Luckily, it had some water in it. Yeah. Or it would have been in the creek.

That's right. I had one fear. I got up. I looked at the grain gauge was quarter of an inch. yesterday evening. This morning, I heard it all last night I heard that rain. I said, hmm.

I said, I believe it's, I want to have much it's rain, but I think, so I got up early before I came here. I walked over, got me a rain gate set up there three, a little over three inches. I said, ooh, ooh, the last time, last year, this happened about a month later,

a couple months later, October. We got a three and a half inch rain. And the dump we've been working on the whole water, it just blew out one whole end of it. I mean, it was pitiful. I said, engineering flaw. So this summer, we just got it all fixed about the month ago. We went with the concrete truckload after truck load on both sides.

gray rock on top of it you know cut little things around each end to make it work so my engineer and i said dan get over there i told him out he he just gave me a report i said get over there and i want to see know what that water's doing we got we got two pipes on a big old pipe 48-eachs pipes we had one last year but they overwhelmed it and cut the thing in two but i've been telling jays you know i'll be trying to scratch a little money out of him and wittes we're going to like pulling teeth, you know. I wanted to know if my engineering was up to snuff, but it was. There's a Robertson trait that when something, when there's disagreement, the argument keeps coming up.

Yeah. It's not about getting the money. It's about being consulted before the project is completed. Just think about it. So sad money can with. Overnight. Overnight. Look here.

two pipes like this about 48 inches apiece. Overnight yesterday, there were just pipes with a little tricker going through there. It was blowing through there now, isn't it? It was two full pipes. I said, I added another pipe. Last year I didn't have one. This year I had two. I said, I've got to, I've got to open.

Well, Jayce, that means twice the cost. Yeah. Willie and I got together, and I was, he made me feel better because the concerns I had, He completely agreed with. He's like, hey, now, we would like to have a seat at the table before the project begins if the money is. We don't want to wait after the fact. Well, he sent some guy down there, and that guy said $100,000 and I'll have you a dog. Oh, obviously.

That's too much. They told me that. I said, we don't want to do that. Well, you know what I said? We're going to put you some metal walls. Oh, boy, there we go. About 35, 40 yards long. He told me that, Phil.

You know what I said? I said, is the dump made with gold? Is it chunks of gold? We're out. We're out. And what was riding on that dump this morning, and when I checked it, see if my engineering was in order, would have been out about, I say, we, I'm the only one forking another money.

I've stuck about $23,000 in that. That's the second time. I stood to lose about 23, but I was going to try to please old Jason, Willie, out the door, you know. I can't realize. I can't have those. You're using the podcast to shame him. Everything held. This is one flood, Phil.

This is one. You know how many is going to happen from this point forward? That's why, look, I realize it's a hard thing to do. So look, you got the dump now. It's just been put in. It's not even the fall yet. I'm going to plant little bitty cypress trees. on both sides of that dump

to where the roots from them cypress trees are going to help hold that thing together. See that now, dad is merry. You're going to plant those trees just because it's going to make you feel better about spending $20,000 on a water. Well, it's to protect the investment. The cypress trees,

them roots start going around and then in dirt. That's what the beavers do. They build them a dam, and I look up after a few years. If I don't tear it out, I look up and they've got trees or but wooded or little stuff. Dad, you know. You're pretty optimistic about your future.

Yeah, I like that. Did you know that you're always hearing about carbon emissions and greenhouse gases? The greatest carbon eaters on the planet, trees. The trees are what eat all the carbon. That's what they take that. It's natural for the God put that here for that reason. That's right. So they're talking about all this imbalance and they're right, you know,

changes weather patterns. is because we're clearing out, you know, whole areas of trees for subdivisions. A new green deal is people have been bowing down to the creation ever since God put them here. Right. I mean, they've got poles and they'll have a lion's head on it, some kind of animal, you know, it's up on over somebody, their face, they all bow down to it. They've been doing that, and they're still doing it to this day. They worship the creator.

What's bad is we're going to get into that in the end of the Hebrew. Right. I mean, we agree on a lot of things, but it's just the question is how do you get to solution? And that's where you get in some crazy stuff, you know, which is insane. You see a lot of strange things when it rains this much in a short period of time. I mean, this morning, I looked out my window toward the pond. And something caught my attention. I looked, and there was two whistling.

Ducks, Mexican tree ducks. Oh, yeah. Has come from Mexico. Yep. I heard of. And decided that they're going to make their family in that pond behind my house in the middle of a subdivision. Yeah. You know, they raise and holler trees like the woodies do.

Yeah. So, but what I found fascinating is there's so much rain that I guess they got confused because they were circling my pool. And they go down and go back up. I said, oh, they, you know, I need some decoys. And so I was trying to explain that to Missy. And she was like, now what are they? I mean, they're from Mexico.

I mean, are they, you know, but it was like. They speak Spanish. Trying to explain. They have big feet. Their feet are big. It was kind of like trying to. They're good eating. I mean, I've heard they are.

Well, is there a season on them? I mean, do they? I'll take that challenge. They're part of the, they moved up from South America. Okay. Well, check this out. They had a little one in the font. I'm sure they, there was a.

brood. Only one survive. There's one. It's a little family there. The barners are bad on them. Yeah, the coons and the snakes and everything else got out. Alligators. I can only do so much.

Hawks, owls, eagles. Yep. Vermin. Some's feeding on them all the time. Yeah. Well, you know, I noticed when you drive in the neighborhood, Jay's, one of our neighbors, before you get on our street, it's been so wet that he has a growth. of mushrooms that are growing that is about as big as this table right here.

Yeah, they're in my bank yard. I don't know what. I mean, that's from all that damp, I guess. I mean, I never seen one so big in somebody's front yard. You could go out there. I don't know if they're edible. They're white. Certain ones are, but certain ones are, sure.

It's funny you said that because I told the guy that runs that recovery place. I said, I need one of your... And he needs to, we need to make sure he's on the other side of the rehab to identify what mushrooms these are growing in my yard. I was like, I don't want him, you know, putting them in his pocket. I just, because they're big. Yeah. I mean, I've got one. The Cajun's got a little.

Bigger than a plate. They've got a little things on. If it says, you know, it's good. If it's that, it's a killer. I mean, they've got a little bit. There's one particular kind. I was watching a special on this other day. I wish I could remember the name of it, that people come looking for them in Louisiana.

Yeah. And because they're such a delicacy, they're really good. But I can't remember the name of them. They grow in dishes. Sure, there's a mushroom expert out there who, you know, hopefully came to Jesus at some point. So unashamed nation, send us an email with some. This one's white. And one of them is the size.

It's bigger than a dinner plate. Wow. I mean, huge. and it just came out of my back y'all. It sounds good if you could cook them down, you know, a little butter or whatever, cook them down. I love mushrooms, but I've always been a little leery. Run down the street, you know, frantically.

Wonder where your clothes are. If you see naked people running out of that place, it's screaming. No good. But they're acting crazy without mushroom, so I don't know. Do they drink it? I don't know. No, I don't know.

Oh, well. I don't know. You're going down a road of which I thankfully have zero experience other than putting some mushrooms in the, one of my favorite meals that we do. Oh, here we go. In Louisiana, bollets, boleets. Oyster mushrooms and. Oh, that's the one I was saying.

Shand. All common in the wild. Shanterell, that's the one I was said. And prize. Okay, this one on the right, that's what I got, but a bigger version. Well, I could have ate that. thing especially tasty it's uh there they are that's them yeah the chanterell that's the one i saw that's like people come here from other states to pick them because they're really good well man

there's poisonous white mushrooms in the yard that looks like my neighbor's stuff yeah i should uh i may when i get one i get home and take that mushroom and then get the round steak round around steak put the mushrooms and onions in it put in the oven oh you bet you bet you bet What do y'all call that? We eat that from time. Oh, yeah. It's like a stack, meat stack. I wouldn't call it good eating.

Speaking of great meals, Jessica, Jeb's wife, because they, you know, we do beans and rice once a week. Yep. And they said, look, now that we move back. They want to get in on that? Well, they just said, what's the schedule for that? because they want that every time we do it. Missy makes that cornbread.

There's something. I mean, it's a happen. So they decided to do a trade. So she's been bringing meals down and sampling them. So it's like, y'all got that. That's going to be a part of our fabric of our existence from this day forward. The beans and rice and the cornbread, we're in. They're there every time we happen.

But they said, we want to bring something. so like one night we'll have so they've been trying things well she hit she hit one last night because I mean it's all been good but it hasn't been worthy of a day of the week for the rest of our life it didn't it hasn't risen to the level of

in the slot in those in the rotation beans and right missy's been she's got the you know some kind of seasoning from South America and she's got to cornbread something has happened there that people it draws people like that it's awesome it's my favorite meal we got going It's a great way of practicing hospitality.

The Robertsons are famous for it. And even enjoying your brothers. Hang on, Jason. Let's take a bread. So she brings a meal last night. It was in a little Tupperware. I call her Miss Lottie Da. Well, let me tell you, Miss Lottie Daugh knocked it out of the park.

She did? She just, she said it was a beef stew. Beef stew. Now, when you hear beef stew, you ain't jumping up and down. And I just took a spoon. and just the soup part of it, when that hit my lips, I said, wait a minute.

Wait a minute. Hold on. Let me look at what we got in here. Now the components, and I saw some little potatoes, and I saw some beef that looked like a very quality grade of beef. There's a lot of times when people think soup, they throw in everything they carved off the...

Well, I found out. later that this is four filet mignon's cut up in this thing now we had some green beans there was some carrots and there was a few other things you know i saw some celery i'm gonna tell you now i it was one of the best things i have ever eaten in my life yeah i wonder if she uses mom's soup as it was i actually said now that you put me on the spot yeah she can't make real around yeah she can I said you took mom's soup. She took it way up and up. Obviously, she cut up some filet men, y'allel.

That's next level. I wouldn't even, who would have to think of this? What kind of mind would think of doing that? So we have officially got now two nights of the week, Al. So if y'all won't end. Well, our night will be steak night because so my daughter has gotten into a pattern, Nan. She goes down to Brookshers.

There's a handful of old people that go down there. So Anna's figured out at 7 o'clock in the morning, they put out meat that needs to be so quicker because they've had it a bit. And so it doesn't go in the regular bin. Well, when they do that, they cut it down about half price, which these days is about what it should be. But that's all your prime filets, your prime ribbis.

But most people don't buy that because it's still expensive. But Nan, so every day, she, He comes home with anywhere from five to ten steaks. And so we eat steak pretty much. Everybody's got to have somebody like Anna and their family because she's the same woman that will stand in line three hours for a king cake. Yep. That's handmade.

Yep. And buy one for you and not just as a gift. She brings it on the table, of course. She sent me a cake the other day. I don't know who brought it in there, but they said, Nance, sent you a plain cake. She made it for you. You know what keeps that coming, Phil?

He's a very serving. Whenever I see her, whatever money I got on me, I give it to her. Smart. I never say what it's for. I just look up every so often and there's some goody on my table. But it's kind of like you, Jace, because you were saying when you came in today that me. She's not like a lot of people. Oh, I know.

She goes out and takes it, doesn't she? Oh, she takes it? Oh, yeah. You don't even say, thank you. She just nods her head. We have an agreement here. I like. Without a word being said.

But, you know, you were saying that this morning we were walking in, you were saying, talking about me, I sending you a worship song at 630s before you even woke up, you know. And you were talking about how, man, you're like, when your kid does something like that, you know, you feel pretty proud of them. But I'm like that with Nan. She's always been a very loyal kid and now a grown woman, but she's all been married 20 years, which is hard to believe.

She is a hard worker. She works hard. She's very loyal. She's good to people. And so, you know, when your kids grow up to be good adults, it makes you feel good. Oh, you better believe it. She's a quality human being. You know, back when I was going to run in Duck Commander, she was the best worker out of the whole lot.

She's been there since she was 15 days. I'm talking about she worked in the warehouse when I was there. And, I mean, she don't work any man that we had there. Oh, yeah. And she never said. She never stopped. And never said a word about it. You know.

She still does. You know, it's amazing. Most people probably don't know this on the podcast. podcast. Nan was, she was 29 weeks when she was born. So that's like 11 weeks early. And this is in 1986. So it's not like we weren't quite as advanced as we are today with, you know, neonatal unit. She weighed less than two pounds. She was 12 inches long. And she had heart surgery. She had heart surgery a month into it because she was losing weight because she, you know, when you're born early, sometimes those ducks don't tie off when they're supposed to.

Yeah. So he had that Iranian doctor. He was the. private physician of the Shah of Iran. Really? Yeah. And so you remember in the 80s, they got them all out, you know, when they got the, you know, hostages out. Well, he came out with him. And he winds up in Monroe. He's a renounce. Working on your daughter. Working on my daughter. He can't speak hardly any English. He's trying to explain to me, you know, I'm 21 years old. He's trying to explain to him what he's going to do. And the nurse is kind of halfway interpreting. But the one thing I did get, he said he had to go in and tie off this duct. And the duct was the size of one single cat hair.

You're saying about that for a set. You know, you can't even hardly see a cat hair. Yeah. And so that's what he did. It's just she started gaining weight. So what I'm saying is, and look,

we were in there every day, and a lot of people can relate to this, and we'd come in for a shift. Back then, you could only go see them three or four times a day. And there'd be the bed that was right here, that the baby was here from yesterday, no baby.

This was every day. That one didn't make it. That one didn't make it. So, I mean, you're watching this in real time every day. So you realize the gravity of the situation, this is your child. And yet to see her grow into the woman she did, and then she had three big old nine-pound whopping babies herself. And you think, man, God created an amazing thing.

All female. Yep. Yeah, I reminded Stone, the boy that married her. I reminded him that the Lord was punishing him for his past transgression. I given him a house full of women. I guess he did me too because that's all I have. He said, boy, he shall put it on me. But his daughters are like woods women there, there, there.

Oh, man, that B-K, she's something. She's got a little bit of you and mom and her. Yep. She'll kill something in a heartbeat and then she'll cook it. Yeah. She's quite the. Deer slayer. Well, you know, you're proud of your kids.

You hope they turn out good. You do the best you can with them, and then you have to turn them loose, right, does? Well, I'll tell you, boy, something. Y'all did remarkably well raising your children. I know it was a hassle, but I mean, it's just the way it is. Well, I was on somebody else's podcast recently, and we were talking about the power of generational faith. And I was telling them, I said,

that that's the one strength that goes through. And we had it, but it went back to your parents. I mean, we got to spend time with him. We were kids, and Jason and I, especially, we spent the most time with them. And I'm telling you, that makes a difference. They imparted wisdom into me. that then I was able to have in the banks.

And then when I got lined out, I'm able to pass that on. And now Jason and I are the Patriots in our own crew, you know? That's a good thought. Because when we get to 12, I mean, you realize this, you know, the hardship and things happen in life. And it's going to happen.

And maybe the weights that, you know, when he said, let us throw off the, you know, the weights that hinder. and different translations, you know, have different phrases and the sin that so easily entangles, which is what we're going to talk about, you know, for the next couple podcasts. But, you know, he goes on down and he has this beautiful picture of, in verse 7, and during hardship as discipline, God is treating you as sons. And it made me think that, you know, God is the perfect father.

He's the perfect parent in his wisdom. Yeah. He's never going to guide you down the wrong path. So, I mean, here we are. We try to be parents to do the best we can, but let's face it, we all make mistakes. Right. And I think acknowledging those at some point is helpful, you know, with your kids. Yep.

I mean, because I think, you know, when they're teenagers or when they're right before teenagers, it's all hands on deck. It's a battle. You don't have time to acknowledge that. mistakes at that moment. You're not even noticing them. Right. But I think if your heart's right, you do the best you can and you have your priorities right, which is, you know, your number one job should be to get them to heaven.

That's right. Number two, to, you know, love their mom or, you know, if you're a woman, love your husband. And then try to put them in positions to succeed, you know, for the kingdom and for the family and how they treat other people. But you're still going to make mistakes. a great thought to realize that God's not going to make any mistakes in his parenting of us. Right. And so that's where you get back into this trust thing, especially when things are not pleasant or life seems difficult.

Yep. And by the way, he's going to get into that. Let's take a break. By the way, Jase, that's how you break a generational curse. You just said it. So, because I've had people say, well, you know, that's great, your family and all. I mean, that must be great to have, you know, generations of faith and trying to work your way through. But I had a terrible father. I had a terrible situation. But my thing back to them is what all, that's all the more reason you need to trust God because you may have had a crappy dad. I get it.

But what I'm saying is he's the perfect father. So he can help you break the generational curse where then you're not a crappy dad because that's what happens when it passes on. Well, that verse 10 says that. It says our father's disciplined us for a little while as they thought best. Or, you know, for their, one version says something along the lines of, you know, from their perspective. Yeah. Which they get something out of, I think, is the implication there. But God disciplines us for our good that we may share in its holiest.

Now you're just thinking about that. he's he's only allowing this to happen or or doing this for your good i mean and it it's not just a cliche you know we i've said that to my kids i'm doing this for your own good but in the back of my mind i was thinking i'm kind of enjoying this myself and i'm not sure this is going to work or i well it's like it's like when you disband your children for making too much noise part of it is because they're getting on your last nerve. You know, but part of it is because they don't need to run around like a bunch of, you know, wild horses, you know, settle down.

Dad used to always say, calm down. That was, you know. See, my wife helped me, you know, with what I thought was yuppie ideas when we were having our, you know, kids, which we have a little one now. But, uh, because I remember one thing that she did that I thought was really impressive that we never did. because we always in our family everything was a response you know you go somebody's house and you cut up well let me tell you something the hammers coming down when so it was like everything you responded but i remember one thing she did

with our kids even when they were little i mean old enough to understand the english language but she would be like now here's what's fixed to happen she'd sit them down like we're fixed to go to somebody's house And here's what I expect for me. And she would lay out the expectations before we ever went in the house. And you know what I noticed? It's the behavioral protocol. Is that they followed the guideline. You know, it's like once you had now, so if you didn't have the conversation,

you then responded. And I thought, boy, that was genius. Where did you come up with that? She's like, what do you mean? I mean, I read parenting books. You need to, they need to know what's expected when I go down here. I get out some. That's what you said.

I don't know. That just popped into my head. So you're next to the oldest. He's a 4.0 brain, but he's out, you know, raising chickens in Tennessee. Yeah. I mean. Shows you that God also has a sense of humor. Maybe just a little bit to get out of the chicken business or it.

You just may like that. You know, I think it's, I think it's, uh, there's. There's some genius in that? You know, you go study. He is. You get a degree. Oh, walking down the road. I mean, he's.

You get a degree in philosophy. And then you say, you know what? Not much better than sitting on a porch raising chickens and goats. It sounds like to me he kind of took first lesson on his four to heart. He'll find his way. He won't end up doing some raising chickens. Nope. He's going.

I don't like raising chickens. Yeah. There's a simplicity. involved in that. I know it. That is, you know, I think it's real. What does it cost these days to get a couple of degrees? I'm just saying, you know, if you get out, of course, here I am talking, you know,

I have a couple of degrees. I ended up sounding like building devices that sound like birds and fishing. That's what I'm talking about. Selling fish. Maybe he, maybe. Maybe he's like you, Dad. Maybe he. All it gave me was was a little bit of insight into the world's education system.

I wasn't very impressed with it. Well, I was talking about this with Carly's her boyfriend because he's a young man, he's about turned 18. Kind of always had his mind on going into the military. But now, you know, he's kind of got roots here and got a girlfriend. He's not sure that's what he wants to do.

But I was telling us that, look, you got to figure out what you can do for a while. You don't want to be doing something you hate. I mean, sometimes you have to for a bit for a season, but you don't want to be there. for 30 years. So you've got to figure out something that, you know, I don't mind doing this or I like doing this

and then commit, make your commitment there. But I said, you know, you're young. You got to, you got to try some. Imagine in philosophy. Is that, was that it? I mean, I thought he had a few more degrees. I mean, he was doing other things. He had one and something else.

Philosophy and Bible. Bible. What I'm saying is you realize that I think life itself is God's way of education. educating all of us. This is kind of the point of Hebrews to it. He graduated from Pepperdine, right? I mean, what I'm saying is life is the classroom.

And so I think you need that balance because, you know, where's the verse? This knowledge puffs up, but love builds up. It's more who you know is what I've concluded in that knowing that God knows you. But sometimes you have to aim them too like this. I was telling you about Joey. He likes to work. He likes to be outside. I mean, he helped me when he went down to the Southern layer.

I mean, a guy like that probably needs to work with his hands for a living. I mean, he's good at it. He's strong. He doesn't mind doing it. You know, a lot of people don't want to work outside. It's hot. It's this, that, and the other. But some people are just good at it.

So I said, look, you can own your own company. I mean, I tell you what, you know, when I, every time I'm moving to a new house, guess who I call? I got to call an electrician. I've got to call a plumber. I've got to call this guy, a that guy. And they're people that work with their hands. and they make good living and good money. There's nothing wrong with that.

When you think about that Act 17, passage where it said that God, you know, gives us life, breath, everything else. He determines the time set for them and the exact places where they should live. He did this so that men would seek him and reach out for him and find him. So, I mean, I truly believe that God,

as the ultimate parent, uses life to educate and direct people towards him. Yeah. And so, I mean, sometimes, you know, you can go study all you want and you can learn. You can be smart, but some of the greatest ideas I ever have was sitting on a porch staring at some chickens.

You know what I mean? Or, you know, on a crawfish farm. Because, I mean, when you know the creator and the creator and you know that he knows, you, you tend to look at this thing from the bigger picture. And so what we call the elite in our society are some of the dumbest people you'll ever meet. And selfish. Yeah, just self-absor.

Yep. You know, I mean. Absolutely. So these Hollywood moguls or these, you know, the most successful stockbrokers or what are they going to do with it? Yeah. What are you going to do with it? And then they're the ones that have this guilt complex about then, about, whether it's minorities or somebody else and they come up with some of the worst policies you've

ever heard and divide people i agree with you there that's you just get they're not helpful no you get into a building bigger bigger barn type mentality or you know trying to change society in some way that you feel that would be beneficial but you still don't have the answers you said it the other day jess and know the podcast where without jesus what have you got At the end of the day, you're in trouble. Let's take another break. Well, let's read those first three verses. I've been wanting to get here since we started.

This is a great chapter, and it's a great follow-up. And from your outline that you gave us in the last podcast, the hope is a big part of this. You start with Chapter 12. Yeah, chapter 12. It says since we're surrounded by such a great cloud of witnesses, and we kind of discussed that, I think that distracts people from the greater meaning here because people then ask the question,

oh are these people watching us so i think a good question is what did they witness right and i think it's obviously talking about the people we just talked about in hebrews 11th well what did they witness what what did all the all the people in hebrews 11 that are mentioned what exactly did they witness because that's what i think he's talking about yeah so what did they What did they witness? The first thing that they witnessed was, I think, because he said, since we got a lot of people looking from somewhere, let us throw off everything that hinders. Or the things that weigh.

They had witnessed that. And the sin that so easily entangles, they had witnessed that. They're part of it. They had their ups and their downs. They had their frailties. They had their mistakes. and let us run with perseverance because it's a it's not a hundred yard dash the race marked out for us then he just says if you keep your eyes upon jesus that sin thing won't be near as detrimental as it is

without him without him you know i don't need that well so here's my line god gives you over to a depraved mind noted they witnessed promises made promises kept. Now that's what I think. I think the overall point is that. And you saw God's faithful. They saw God's faithfulness in it. Even though they didn't, because think about Noah.

Some of them, it took their whole life. It took Noah's whole life. He's like, Bill. He gets back right there to the gospel, to Jesus right here. Yep. All right. But think about, so I think that's what he's saying. There's a transition here that they saw.

they saw God keep his word as difficult as that was. I mean, think about the little details of the story. Abraham having a son at 100 because it was based on a promise. And the mistakes made by all of them. They were mistakes made. But they saw, I mean, Noah, he said, build the art. Why, there's rain coming. Well, did the rain cut?

Yeah. He saw God keep his word. Yeah. So basically when you get to Jesus, it's the, the same. I mean, we're using all these moments and all these stories as a foundation, and they're witnessing God keeping his word and witnessing his faithfulness and his character in these things as a foundation for believing what God said he would do through Jesus. So it's, it's, that's the, so don't think, oh, they're witnessing.

us they're all no no no they were witnesses of god's promises and we're surrounded by that in the spiritual realm yes you know the spirits of of men that god has made perfect we're going to read that in the end of chapter 12 but more uh more is just like what i said about the football analogy these you know in the hall of fame people that have gone on before you same faith different promise I mean, same ultimate promise, I guess, but a different way of looking at it because now it's promised to us in Jesus. I mean, that's why the only together with us

would they be made perfect. Well, that's Jesus. It went backwards. Which is why that individually, no matter what promises they personally got from God and saw in their lifetime, everybody received the promise of salvation through their faith because of Jesus.

And that's why I said it was with us. Well, that's why I brought up yesterday, that little pointing to these verses, consider him who endured such opposition from sinful men so that you will not grow weary and lose heart. That's why I said the first thing John the Baptist, when he saw all these so-called religious people, the teachers of the law, the high priests and all of them,

they were all there together. I mean, the first thing he did is said, you brewed a vibrant. And from that point on, I mean, they got on Jesus like a man, dog on everything he did you know he's these he's violating the Sabbath he's blaspheming he told some guy his sins were forgiven he said you know he he doesn't have the authority to do that they just couldn't and in it in the Hebrew writer said need to be watching then see how that works cause get ready because your day's coming when you'll be attacked right we're doing what's

right that's right that's right jays has made the point before and he's right the you look at this what the Hebrew writer, this is a watershed moment because he's basically saying there were witnesses for the first 3,500 years of this history because he goes all the way back, you know, it starts at the beginning. Oh, yeah. Abel, you know, and it comes all the way forward. And now he's saying there's been such a seismic shift because Jesus has come. Oh, yeah.

And now said the promises available. So now the last 2,000 years of history, this is the era of witness up until right to the moment we're sitting there. Well, y'all took this hook line and said, I was hoping you'd do this, because I've figured out a way, I think, to explain what you just said from the biblical perspective. Because if I finish reading this, so he says, let us throw off everything that hinders and the sin that so easily entangles, let us run perseverance, the race marked out for us, let us fix our eyes on Jesus, the author and perfector of our faith, who for the joy set before him endure the cross scoring this shame and this is going to be a key component this next phrase

and explained this and sat down at the right hand of the throne of god yep or then it said the verse you just read consider him who endured such opposition from sinful men so that you will not grow weary and lose heart so i'll hang on let's take a break so based on hebrews one three also where he introduced the book saying you know god spoke various ways but in the last day he spoke to us by son, by his son, who through whom he made the universe. The son is the radiance of God's glory. You remember of this. He's the exact representation of his being, sustaining all things through his powerful

word, which is what we're talking about, is God's word true? Is it impossible for him to lie? He says something. All these people are witnesses that, yep, it's impossible for him to lie. Whatever he says, he'll do. But then it says, after he provided purification for sins, he sat down at the right hand of the majesty in heaven. Why does this keep coming up?

Jesus is sitting at the right hand of heaven. You have to have it. I think I figured this out. So if you go back and look at Luke's account of the ascension in 24, 44, and I'm just going to make a point, I'm not going to read all this. You can do it in your own time. but my point is going to be in Luke's account in the book of Luke it seems like we're looking back where like you know he raises his hands at the end and he's basically saying farewell but he also in 44

said that now this is post resurrection his appearance right before he leaves he says this is what I told you while I was still with you everything must be fulfilled that is written about me in the law of Moses and the prophets and the Psalms. So they're all grasping with what has happened. This is basically signifying the end of Jesus' earthly

stint, right? Well, the narrative kind of changes when the same guy, Luke, when he gets to Axe, all of a sudden, it's all forward looking. Because we're getting to the right hand of God here. And you say, what do you mean it's forward looking?

Oh, man. Where's my section, Acts? You're in Acts 1? Yeah, but I got, he's got some loose pages here. Here we go. So, then he says in Acts 1 in my former book, Theopolis, which we just read, I wrote about all that Jesus were not. I never noticed this phrase before, but it says, began to do.

And he was taken up to heaven, which is Hebrews, you know, we're here in Hebrews 12, and this is significant. because he's making a point about this new era. And so then everything seems to be forward-looking because he says, I'm going to give you the Holy Spirit. It said he appeared to them over a period of 40 days and gave many convincing proofs that he was alive. And then he talked about pouring out the Holy Spirit.

So, you know, in verse 9 is a famous. thing, you know, after he said this, he was taken up and a cloud hidden from their sight. But then you remember these two men, angels, they said, look, he'll come back. It's still forward-looking. And so you said, well, what's your point? My point is, this new era signified what Jesus is doing now. And especially when you get to the end of Hebrews 12, you know, it's like you've come to, Look at what you've come to, what you're a part of.

It's not like Jesus left and he's gone. He's like he went to sleep or I think a lot of people believe this. He's like, no, I'm going to give you, I'm going to supply the power. And so what did these people do? Well, they went out and started sharing Jesus. Oh, yeah. Through his power. And even in Hebrews too, you remember.

Whether they were being killed or not. Whether they were being killed or not. And I think that's the part that somehow we miss, I guess, that God is working now, present day. He's not. This is what he called us to do. This is the promise. This is the trust. Our little adventure, kind of like the Hall of Fame that we read.

It's almost like we're ambassadors representing him, as God were making his appeal to us. You made this point before, Dad, we were talking about the section, we were talking about all the terrible things that happened to him. But do you realize that for the last 2,000 years, I would venture to guess, just because there's way more people, there have been far more people martyred for the name of Jesus than were martyred earlier before he got here. You are correct. I mean, he mentions that group. But think about it, because it all started in the first century. And we saw it. And Jay said it the other day, there's more people. people killed today in certain parts of the world, they were even back then.

Look, there was about 50 or 75 of them. That's all. There wasn't many of them. The founding fathers, they've got it down to about five, six, seven of them. But if you had asked those men, what are you doing? They would have told you we're representing Jesus on Earth, planet Earth. That's what the founding fathers would have told you. They wouldn't have said, we're the founders.

They would say, oh, you're mistaken. We're not the founding fathers. Our founding father is God. That's right. That's what they would have told him. It's just the beginning of the decoration of the picture. Sure. Yeah.

Well, I think what my point is, is like, so you take John 14, for instance, where he said, you know, in my father's house or many rooms and I'll go, you know, prepare a place for you. And you remember that conversation? Thomas was like, well, how do we know the way? And, you know, he eventually said, I'm the way. I'm the truth. I'm the life. But I think.

He was saying, if you know me, you know the way. Well, right. My point is I'm just making a different point, which is I think most of us, and I was kind of guilty of this until I was reading this last night, we tend to think like, oh, Jesus is going to prepare a place for me for when I die. But it hit me last night that, no, he went and prepared. He's preparing a place for us while we're alive. Because I thought about the Colossians 3.

It says, since you've been raised with Christ, set your mind on things above. well, when? After I die? No, right now. And I think that's his whole point in Hebrews that they were failing to myth. They were coming out of a system that was leading people to God because of our lack of being able as humans to keep a law, to perform on a godly level.

And so he's introduced in Jesus, and now he's trying to say, look, Jesus is at the right hand of God. I mean, not only did he die for your sins, not only was he resurrected, but he's here supplying the power. You can have God's Holy Spirit. And this is the new era.

So you have the whole book of Acts. And used to, I thought that was, they named it Acts because it's Acts of the Apostles. But now I feel differently. I think it's the acts of God through the Apostles. That's what it is. God is working. You know, the whole time,

in John, Jesus kept saying, you know, the father's working, I'm at work, I must do my father's work, the father's working, well, are we to believe that all of a sudden he stopped working? Not at all. And I think that's what I was talking about while ago. I mean, over the last 2,000 years, there has been a giant part of humanity, including our founding fathers. They were godly to the core of there being. I don't care what these naysayers say, well, they made mistakes. Well, that's, they watch the human race is sin. We've seen that. We're all aware that sins a problem. He mentions that. But he said, but as far as I'm concerned, you read about people

like our founding fathers, it's just amazing on how godly they were. I mean, they were godly man. Oh, exactly. Well, that's what I was describing is what is the race. The race is that God is our father. There is discipline involved, but he's our father. He's a perfect parent. We have Jesus at the right hand of God and the significance of that is that he showed us that a human, because he became a man,

could enter heaven. And that's what the recipients of the Hebrew letter were having trouble wrapping their head around. We're like, wait a minute, we're not doing some sacrifices just to appease our sins. And God provided the sacrifice himself that we can now as humans can enter heaven.

And as long as he's there. Remember, what did he say he was doing there? Back in Hebrews 8, 9, and 10, he's there as the high priest. So he's working. In other words, he's working on our behalf. I actually have that written down. I don't want to be redundant, but it needs to be. It's like the third president of the United States.

We hold these truths to be self-evident. All men are created equal, been doubted by God. I mean, these were godly men. They made mistakes who founded the greatest nation on earth. And we're looking at that. And it's a little sneak preview on Hebrew chapter 12. Yeah, but just think, Phil, as a human being, all of a sudden, there was a human being here who has entered heaven. That is now a possibility.

Well, if I was a human being, I would say, you know what? because he's at the right hand of God, do I have hope? It's more than hope. It's an assured hope. It's like he broke the wall down of the dimension that I'm now trapped in, which is this planet.

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