Unashamed with the Robertson Family - Ep 547 | Phil Compares Our Brutal Culture to History & What Jesus Did Before Age 30

Episode Date: September 14, 2022

Phil looks at the old world, compares the historical political climate to the brutality of the current culture ... and shares just how little has changed among humanity. Jase researches various ancient and abandoned cities and discusses the great feats that man once accomplished. Al talks about how man's toil and efforts without God can only be a waste of time. Phil talks about Jesus before the age of 30 and how he was practicing Jewish law before he began his ministry to the world. And Phil warns against the dangers modern American youths face as our culture deviates from the righteous path God has clearly laid before us. Watch the Unashamed overtime show, only on BlazeTV: https://BlazeTV.com/Unashamed - Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

I am unashamed. What about you? I don't know. Usually when Jay's begins, when the first thing out of his mouth on the podcast is I've had an epiphany. This will be now the content for an entire podcast. In the past, that's what's happened. So, here's what happened. So last night, I study because I knew we were going to be talking here.

Yep. And I'm not a smart guy, but Jesus makes you smart. The Holy Spirit makes you powerful. Make sure. Jesus makes you perfect. I know he makes you perfect. He also makes you really smart. Without blemish.

It makes you really smart, is what I'm saying. So I was studying. I didn't write anything down. I kept reading this. He moves 13, 8 through 14, and I kept going, Hmm. So anyway, on the way down here, I'm stopping at traffic was just, whoa, what happened? I stopped at a red light.

I'm not sure this is a, if this is legal or not, can you actually, while you're at a red light, write down something? Because look, everyone else is on their phones. So I'm sure that's illegal. And everybody's heads down. Oh, everybody's head down, look at your phone. Oh. So, which may explain what's going on with this traffic cycle.

Glad to be here. So I thought, you know, because I didn't write anything last night, but it hit me about my own personal existence on earth. And I wrote down four things that I spend most of my time doing. This was the epiphany. Four things. And I'm saying this because. I never have, I didn't know whether you could get a count on that particular subject.

Four things. That I spend most of my time. Well, and it is based on... Well, you know, if you hassle over number five come up, that'd be a big thing. I don't know. I'm going to ask and see if y'all want to add something to the... I don't know why about you thinking on that one. Well, you're going to see this.

I'm setting this up. These are the things that I spend the most of my life doing, and it came from this. You notice I was about five minutes late today, which so was out, so I felt better. That was actually early. I was delivering... Look, I left my house twice and didn't drive 100 yards and turn... turned around and went back. Are you ready for your Bible verse?

Well, I've got to set up the stage here. But it'll cover the four things you talked about, and I don't even know what the four things were. I'll give you a text. This is a prediction text. Shoots all that down. Okay. Do you want to give that now?

Hey, Jace, as you know, Farber. Number one, live a quiet life. Number two, mind your own business, Jay. Okay. Number three, work hard so that your daily life will win the respect to outsider. And number four, don't be dependent on anybody. Okay. That's the four things.

That's my table. All right, well, you got that. Well, here's what happened. So last night, didn't write anything down. So you know what I said? I said, well, I'll have about an hour because I usually get up, you know, two hours before I'm down here. I'll have an hour to work on it in the morning. Well, we have a nanny helping from time to time, young college age girl.

So she shows up. She has the baby, but he was being difficult. So Missy was getting so much needed to sleep. So I had to intervene a couple times just say, what seemed to be the problem? So I got, there's a distraction number one. So then I finally get to my couch. I get my Bible out, so I'm fixed to go through this again. Well, then all of a sudden I hear vehicles, doors opening, you know, people talking in my driveway.

What time that day is this? It's about an hour and a half ago. is 8 o'clock in the morning. 8 o'clock in the morning. So I looked through the window, and it was just, it was like there was a women's Bible study fixed to happen. There were just women coming out of the cars toward my house. Well, it's a cleaning crew.

Missy had gotten a cleaning crew. I mean, that was six or seven of them. Wow. They come in there like a, just a beehive. And it's just, well, now there's chaos going on. Dogs are parking, you know. And I'm like, not going to happen here. Quiet life.

It was impossible in this moment, which was what I was getting at. Situations become crassies. So I'm like, well, I got to get out of here. Well, I leave. Well, then I realize, guess what? I forgot my Bible. Because of the chaos. Yeah, because the chaos.

I get a Bible. And they're all like, we thought you left. I was like, no, no, you know, I left my Bible. So I come back. Well, then I come back. Well, now Missy is. stirring, but she's asking me questions about, you know, the week's schedule. Well, I'm like, do what? I'm not sure to me. Can I write this down? So then I leave again while I come back because

I left my phone. So I come back and get my phone. You're getting like your mother. Yeah. So anyway, I stop at the red. She's 75. I stop at the red light. Are you ready? And I'll write down the epiphany. Here's the epiphany. I spend most of my time. time trying to remember something I've forgotten. Oh, Ms. Kay, that's her. Number two, I'm cleaning up something that I just messed up. I'm cleaning up a mess that you made. That I made.

That's just a daily, hourly occurrence. You forgetful and you clean it up after what you do. All right, that's two. It makes a lot of messes. I'm trying to find something that I've lost. You're looking for point number one. You can't remember where you put this and that another. Mm-hmm.

Yep. They're big things, bibles, phones, you know, clothes. Or I'm trying to fix something that I've broken. I worked on that yesterday, you know, the blower. I couldn't get the thing running. I'll just be honest with you, that's kind of a hellish existence. You get up, you can't remember anything. You've lost something and you scratch them around.

So, constantly breaking things. I said all that to say this. The epiphany was... Tough life, man. What I thought where we were at in the text, I thought, well, thank the Lord, Jesus Christ is the same yesterday, today, and forever. Because in each one of those moments, I thought I am the perfect candidate for faith in Jesus. That's right.

Because he's really good at those four things. Cleaning up the mess, finding was laws, fixing him was broken, and remembering what you forgot. I was my epitone. There's a lot of individuals on planet Earth who have a much more challenging life than what those things would bring you. Well, I'm just telling you what I do.

That's what I spend most of my time. So then I just cranked up the worship music and said, all right, let's go. A lot of them is arguing and hollering and screaming and getting high, getting drunk, getting laid. I mean, you know, so at least you were way on the other. You know why they're doing it. Wouldn't that feel?

Because they've lost something they can't find. They couldn't fix what was broken. They couldn't clean up the mess they made. They sure as heck couldn't remember. I'm telling you, it's like people, you know, life can be difficult. And then you have a choice on how you're going to address it. Well, I went with Hebrews 13-8 this morning at the red light. That's all I was saying.

I'd say probably two out of your, the remembering was forgotten, finding things lost. That's a lot of my time. but I don't make a lot of messes and I don't break things because I don't that's I've got a guy for all that yeah I know oh it's a guy you gotta have the guy so is there anything you want to add to the list on things you spend a lot of frustrating time or is that pretty well I mean I don't know it was an epiphany hmm I don't know I definitely have those two in common with you especially the phone I hate having to but you're you just have to have it because there's you're working.

Yeah, I don't I mean, obviously dad doesn't have that problem, which is nice, but I don't spend a lot of time on the phone, so. Well, I don't either, but it's just like texting and you gotta get this, we gotta get the schedule right, and, you know, these podcasts just don't plan themselves.

I would probably put the quietus on, on the forgetful, where to put whatever I had because I have fewer things to keep up with. Right. Rings, watches, phones, telephones, you know, computers.

But you forget where you part the tractor or, you know. As long as you know where your Bible is, we all, that's a big one. I keep the Bible handy right there close. Yep, I do too. So there's that. Yeah. So, well, I mean, it's a pretty good epiphany, I guess, Jay. And I like the application to where we're going in Hebrews because you're right.

That's exactly what Christ does. He cleans up our messes. But all of this he does in us. He's the one that helps us find our way. you know, dangerous. It just kind of hit me. It's pretty good. I thought the physical,

and you shall find. But actually to dad's point about quoting the first last Sunday is four, when you live a quiet life in Christ, these are about what you would have to deal with. Hard to live a quiet life when there's six women in their house like a bus. That's time.

I would have sped up the, I'm getting out of here. Well, I said it. They said, where are you going? I said, y'all, you all run me off. Well, they all laugh.

So now I had to go in. You're six women in my life, it's six grandkids because they're three on one side, three on the other. So when they all descend on my house, that's pretty much the end of the quiet Bible time. You just, you know, you got a thought of the time. It's kind of like tombstone, Jay says you're just trying to get out of there, and they all were just sitting there saying, well, bye. Yeah. I wanted you to hit your other. Yeah.

And you did. Yeah. And Missy added to your... Not sure. Well, here we go again, because I can't even remember what she was saying. None of those problems, Jace, will put you in jail or it's hard to be condemned if that's all you're. I mean, Phil, was bearing my soul. But you actually, Jase, you actually were, the impressive thing you're not thinking about is you'd only made it 100 yards and you remembered the Bible and the cell phone.

What if you'd have made it all the way out here? Didn't you have been, you know, bummed? That's what I usually do. Right. So you actually are better than you think you were. So there's your encouraging word for me. So Jay said it, Hebrews 13. And really, I don't know if 8, verse 8, which is kind of to me one of the greatest

just one-offs in the Bible, Jesus Christ's the same year stage. It's a thesis. It's a thesis. And it's interesting because right here in the middle, I don't know if he's closing out what he said about leadership or if he's beginning this next thing or maybe I guess a little bit of both. Because when he says that, he comes back with this section. and I want to read it before we go to break.

Do not be carried away by all kinds of strange teachings. And so this is the next verse after saying Jesus Christ is the same yesterday, today, and forever. So something else has obviously been encroaching. Well, that's powerful, though, because you think about, like, every time I say, you know, there has to be a focus on Jesus. I mean, the one thing I've got now in the book of Hebrews is whether you're, coming out of Judaism or coming out of whatever you know the other side of America there's a lot of strange teachings out there it really is I mean the list is so long the stuff that people are

into is crazy things they argue about but it's not an accident that when he started talking about leadership and he started talking about strange teaching and loving strangers and he he made a significant time out and focus on who Jesus is. I mean, just go back when he said, let us fix our eyes on Jesus. Let her fix our thoughts on Jesus. Hebrews 3-1, Hebrews 12. I mean, that, why does he keep saying that?

Well, you're right. He keeps every one of his teachings, he's always got back to this point. And even now in these practical, like, applications or exhortations, how you want to say it, that verse is what I would call the tent pole. It's the one right in the center that holds everything else up around it, like a big canvas.

The Jesus Christ is the same yesterday, damn forever. That's the temp poll statement. So all this other stuff we're talking about, if you don't get that right. What are these ceremonial foods? Well, let him read. Let me read. Because I think this is where it's at it. It is good for our hearts to be strengthened by grace, not by ceremonial foods,

which are of no value to those who eat them. We have an altar from which those who minister at the tabernacle, have no right to eat. That's a very interesting statement there. That's the statement that people don't know exactly what it means, but I have a theory. I'm sure you do too. Yeah, I do. The high priest carries the blood of animals into the most holy place as a sin offering, but the bodies are burned outside the camp. So again, it's in the same vein of conversation. He's just kind of shifted the imagery back to what we talked about earlier. And so Jesus, and so Jesus also suffered outside the city gate, talking about that's where he was crucified, to make the people holy through his own

blood. Let us then go to him outside the camp, bearing the disgrace he bore. For here, we do not have an enduring city, but we are looking for the city that is to come. He's talking about Jerusalem. Through Jesus, therefore, let us continually offer to God a sacrifice of praise, the fruit of lips that confess his name, and do not forget to do good and to share with others, for with such sacrifices God is pleased. Let's take a break. The first thing that stood out to me was he said,

it's good for ours to be strengthened by grace. Yeah. They were in a system that grace was not being pursued or even contemplated. Not even understood. Yeah, or understood. So he said all this,

because you could, I mean, it says not by ceremonial foods, but it could be any. I mean, in their case, if you're eating or you're going through some ceremony or you're going through some physical sacrifice, you know, to, I mean, you probably know the details more about this Levitical priesthood and they would offer these sacrifices. Which I think that's what he's referring to. Yeah, to kind of legitimize. I think the strange teachings are, because that, you know, he didn't say the way we've always been

instructed to do. So I think there was something that it cropped up. post Jesus with these these these are Hebrews these are Jews but they're also Christians now and that somehow they were linking what was tied into those sacrifice because you know those that those that food was eaten usually by the priesthood not by the people but something had changed and so I think he's referring to that and we said strengthened by grace jays I think he's he's he's immediately bringing that into a spiritual context in other words they're thinking physical food he's saying no no no that's not where you're

That's not where your strength comes from at all. So that's my basic theory. Yeah. Well, that's why, so it says when we have an altar from which those who minister at the tavernal have no right to eat because everyone is guilty and except Jesus. So he came to fulfill that by being disgraced and discarded for us. Right. Outside the holy of holy, the pomp and circumstance.

of doing these. I wouldn't think eating food would somehow have to do with your sins. But see, I think that's the point. You have the priesthood, and part of the way God set it up under the old law was the way they ate. Because remember, they didn't have jobs. So they had to get percentage of sacrifice meat from the people. So they got fad literally through the process. So to Jason's point, I think what he's saying is,

You know these guys that are eating all these sacrifices you're making? Because that's how they eat. They don't have any right to, you know, be blessed by it anymore than anybody does. So he's taken away that hire. Yeah, they're guilty. They're guilty. It reminds me, you know, the whole book or letter to the Galatians, which now look, he could not have been more blunt.

I mean, he's like, if you preach a gospel other than what you heard, which the gospel in who Jesus is and what he's, did and Hebrews 138 basically you know let him be cut off and cursed but he says you gets down to Galatians 5 4 and he says you who are trying to be justified by law have been alienated from Christ which I see a similar thought there when it says we have an altar from those which those who minister at tabernacle have no right to eat if you're trying to be justified by your performance or your ritual keeping or in that case in Galatians being circumcised as some kind of spiritual inclusion into, you know, a right relationship with God.

He's like, you have been alienated from Christ and you have fallen away from grace. Which is, there's that Hebrew language again, this idea. That's me. The practical application for us, even though we, we didn't come out of this system of Judaism. Is this grace versus your justification by human performance or human ritual or your daily walk of life? Or what you're eating.

Yeah. Or what you're eating or where you're going. Or your role in it, you know, if you're a priest, okay. I mean, none of it, if it's anything but Jesus, no good. You know, because you're not relying on grace, right? The reason I think people don't embrace this is because at the end of the day, when it says let us go to him outside the camp bearing the disgrace he bore that's just not a warm and fuzzy thing to do that's why i think he spent this whole book saying you're going to be persecuted you're going to be

disgraced you're if you go public for jesus there may be a lot of trouble that comes your way you might wind up in prison yep and i think that was his point but it's it's it's because you're sacrificing yourself. You're a, you know, to have a take on Romans 12.1 in view of God's mercy, you know, His grace, offer yourselves as living sacrifices. Off your bodies as living sacrifices. Yeah, off of your bodies as living sacrifices. So I think that's what he's saying.

And, you know, I was thinking about this, since you brought this up in Galasians, I hadn't thought about it. But in a broader scheme of the Bible itself, the different letters, it's interesting because the, you know, the Hebrew writer, he talked about law. He talked about the temple, tabernacle, all this stuff a lot. He never talked about circumcision in the context of, but Paul did in Galatians. So it's really interesting how the different letters that were sent dealt with different topics. It makes perfect sense because all these folks have come out of Judaism.

First 10 years of the church, they were all Jews. I mean, until we get to Paul and, I mean, Peter and, Acts 10, we don't have any Gentiles. Yep. So most of the letters are dealing with Jewish issues that people were not wanting to let go of because they were having a hard time. So it makes perfect sense. But I just love the symmetry of that, that while Paul deals with, you know, circumcision

and its relationship to law, Hebrews dealt with something totally different, you know. Yeah. And that's why you've been doing something for 1,500 years. That becomes a ritual there. Well, yeah. What I'm seeing is it goes by, if you look at Jesus, you analyze it. Well, what did Jesus do when he came those 30 years, or 33 total? But how did he operate?

He didn't, you know, when he went to the synagogues or the places of worship, it pretty much led to either him getting run off or, I mean, not runoff, but he left by choice. Or arguments ensued. Right. you know, it goes back to, you know, him healing on the Sabbath. But, you know, it seems to you. He just wasn't going through what they thought the religious leaders. But you make a good point.

We don't know this because we don't have any record of anything. He said that one time when he was 12, but he was doing what he was supposed to do by going up during Passover. But, you know, Jesus was just a good Jew for 30 years. And I'm assuming went through all the rituals, everything they did. He never missed us. never missed a Passover, you know, never worked on the savvy, all the things that were laid out. It wasn't until he hit that 30-year mark when he was ready to introduce himself to the world, that then he started shaking the trees because you don't ever see anything before.

Yeah. So I'm assuming that he didn't really, it was like, okay, boys, now's the time when I'm fixing to show you. Yeah, what it says is during the days over in Hebrews 5, during the days Jesus is life on earth. He offered up prayers and petitions with loud cries and cheers to the one who could save him from death. He was heard because of his reverent submission. Although he was a son, he learned obedience. So like you say, I'll go on through the tenets of the law. He learned obedience from what he suffered and once made perfect,

he became the source of eternal salvation for all who believe. so but but he went through all the rituals right all the of course i'm sure he was just looking around like man if they if they if they even could figure out what i'm fixed to do they would be stunned and i think that's what that word that made perfects there it's not talking about that somehow he had to be he was perfect but he he he would completed the task that's the idea of my point is i think though the way he operated on daily basis i mean from chapter three you have had this, you know, Pharisee who was a member of the Jewish ruling council. So they have this little nighttime chat because he's not sure he wants to be seen with,

you know, this guy. Yeah, it has something to do without, when Jesus was doing his work outside the city. Well, that's what I'm going to. So he has this conversation. Now, what did that lead to? It's something crazy. He's telling a member of the Jewish ruling council, you need to be born again. You don't even understand.

You got to start completely over. That would be like, you know, you go into some religious, famous preacher somewhere who's in charge and saying, look, you need to start over. It just wouldn't, that's just not, that's outside the count is what I'm saying. But you just fast forward. I mean, it just hit me this off the top of my head. And when he has this conversation with a Samaritan woman, she had had a terrible life. She'd been married six or seven times. She was a Samaritan, which they didn't associate, and Jesus is associating.

I mean, that should have been straight, too, and she was a woman, which back then, that was also, you know, he's speaking with a woman. Yeah, right in the middle of the day out here. So he's not going and doing what normal religious people are doing. Right. And so then you go to- Those things weren't law. those things were just tradition, by the way. We just don't do that.

If you're a rabbi, you'd never do that. Let's take another break. Well, then in chapter five, the next thing, we heals on the Sabbath. Well, wait a bit. I mean, I'm just going one chapter after another. Well, then chapter six, which I think you can relate to this ceremonial foods versus grace.

You know, he feeds the 5,000. And then he goes on this speech, He's the bread of life and whoever eats his flesh and drinks his blood where they're like, well, this dude is crazy. He's some kind of witch. I mean, that's not what they said, but the implications, he just threw them into chaos. And when you get to the back end of chapter 6, there's a little title above verse 60. It says, many disciples desert Jesus.

You start talking about this kind of stuff. And, I mean, you just keep going. Which, and in their defense, I mean, it would have taken a lot to say, okay, I don't know exactly what he's talking about because it made sense post resurrection. Yeah. You know, but like before that, it was like, I don't know. Is it cannibalism? What's he talking about? Because there was no way you could like, it would be very hard.

You would have to just totally go on faith to say, maybe one day we'll understand what he's talking about. But in the moment, I mean, they'd just eating the fish. Chase is right. It's like he's using that as an illustration. It's like you think food and water is what matters? It's like going into a church in America or somewhere else across the world that's been there for 250 years, just 250 instead of 1500. But if you go up in there, wanting to kind of break up the tradition. Yeah, stuff you're doing here. How long would you last, Dow? He would probably be escorted out, Dan. what I was going to read.

We'll see you later. When you get to chapter 7, I think it's interesting in John when he said, you know, after Jesus, to all that that happened, three, four, five, and six that we quickly ran through, he was purposely staying away from Judea because the Jews there were wanting to take his life. I mean, just these little acts that he's doing to break up the system and get and represent his father. I mean, here's the creator of the universe. and they're wanting to kill him already. And it says when the Jewish feast of tabernacles was near,

I mean, this is so interesting. Jesus' brother said to him, you ought to leave here and go to Judea so that your disciples may see the miracles you do. No one who wants to become a public figure acts in secret. I mean, they're kind of rebuking him for, oh, you're doing all this stuff in secret. And it's, you know, the implication is it's, you know,

It's upsetting the apple cart. The brothers are being a PR firm. Yeah, that's it. This is not the way to win the world. And what's worthy of note, the time frame, when all this was going down, starting with the Jews, and basically, they looked up in less than 40 years, Al. and I mean the very thing that Jesus said this temple you're also proud of it's coming down so all these warnings to the people at first and all these things from way back on what you do and what you think you have to do and food offerings and this and that and other and the blood of animals and all that

Jesus said it's all coming down yeah it's over yeah well somebody said bill smith i think I mean, when Titus, whoever he was, that Roman general, I mean, about a million died over that deal. Oh, yeah. So, I mean, there was death and destruction coming, and Jesus was the one behind it. That's why he wept over the city, remember what he wrote into it. Yeah. But look what they said in verse 20. I mean, these people are like, when this was written, you know, it's pretty close to a big happening right after.

I mean, this was in, but then about 40 years, the Hebrew writer wrote this. So it's not very long. And then the whole thing does come down in a cloud of smoke. It's probably more like within 10 years. Yeah. It's right in the 60s. No, go ahead and read. I was going to say in your point in John 7, Jesus, by the way, the PR firm, Jesus already

knew he was going. But he was just waiting, you know, on his plan, not there. And then he goes and he speaks to him. And then he said the response from the crowd in verse 20, you are a demon possessed, the crowd answered. Who's trying to kill you? Because he mentioned about, you know, you're trying to kill me. They're like, what, I mean, what are you talking about?

This guy's got a demon. Well, then he got into circumstances, and then 24, he said, stop judging by mere appearances and make a right judgment. Because you've got to remember, the PR firm that was giving him the advice, well, in verse 5, it says, but they didn't even believe it. That's right. They were just saying, here's what you need to do. But they didn't say, we don't believe you.

But that's what they were saying. But it's still another example. You're right. So they say he's demon possess. Well, then you go to John 8. Well, they, in the law, you know, they wanted to get sent out of camp. So if something was egregious, they would pick up rocks and stone you. And it was actually lawful to do it.

So we have this situation, a woman called an adultery. And what does he do? He steps in there and breaks that up. And so they're like, well, wait a minute. now. We got you dad to write. So just the little headings on these paragraphs, they, they seek out the validity of Jesus' testimony. You who's without sin cast that first stone, they all looked around and said, he's got us on that one. But you know it's interesting about that, the politics behind that. Jason's right. Legally, they could do that. But with the Romans

occupied, they didn't mind if they stoned a woman called up to who cares about her. But when a political figure like Jesus or John the Baptist when they wanted to kill them. Guess what? Nobody all of a sudden waving a whoa, whoa, whoa, we can't get, we don't just kill him because what will his followers do? They're worried about a riot. So it's really interesting. Even back in this day, politics rule. If you're just a woman in the country, who cares about you? But Jesus cared about her. And so he put it right back on them. Okay, you who don't have any sin, you'd be the one that starts this process. And it said, The older ones first dropped the rocks than the young ones.

The old head said, man, is he looking right into my window or what? I mean, it was a powerful moment, as it really was. But to your point, it shows you in the big picture what they were trying to do. Hang on, let's take a break. Yeah, the point I'm trying to make is you can't go any chapter, any paragraph without saying that everything he was doing was turning this whole system on its head. and he was being disgraced for it. We always go to the cross. Well, obviously, yes, he was disgraced.

He was disgraced the whole time he was here. And you think, what was he doing? He was trying to introduce this concept of grace and love from the creator of the universe. He wants to forgive us. He loves us. He's full of grace. You can start over. You know, whatever.

He can clean your mess up. He can make you perfect. But it was just something that was hard. to transition and just to kind of finish my thought. I mean, it was off the top of my head. But even then when he healed the person who had been born. I thought that every time you go in the next chapter, because then the next one attacks both how you view the consequences of sin and the temple. Because you remember when this guy's, you know, he's healed. And then the disciples say, look at this poor sad sack before he healed him.

Is he this way because his parents end or him? meaning this is what happens to. Whose fault is it? Yeah. Let's figure out where it all went wrong. And, I mean, Jesus turned it on its head. He just, he didn't even answer. He just said, what are we going to do about it? That's right.

The work of God might be displayed in his life was his answer. His answer was bigger. And so when the parents, you know, they're trying to, they call them in and say, how did this, how do you even know who this is? Well, we know our son, but we don't know who this other guy is. But they were afraid they were going to kick him out of the temple, which they ultimately kicked him out in it. Yeah, and so what happened in verse 13 of chapter 9, the Pharisees investigate the

Uh-oh. We got to have an investigation. I have an investigation. So, I mean, this man was. In the last were a great deed. This man was born blind, and now you can see is like, somebody's got to look into that because something is wrong here. Yep.

So then when he gets to chapter 10, he makes this analogy about the shepherd and its flock. and I mean to introduce something now that the kingdom of God or the church or, you know, the group of people who believe are, you know, we take it for granted because we know how this thing ends. But to compare that to a shepherd and its flock is not very appealing to powerful religious leaders. You're like, unless they're the shepherd, but he's portraying him. as the shepherd and where the flock. And the reason I, you know, I thought about that because he's eventually back to Hebrews 13, which is quite a verse on 20 and 21, you know, when it says the God of peace, who through the blood of the eternal covenant brought back from the dead, our Lord Jesus, that great shepherd of the sheep equip you with every good thing for doing his will.

So I'm saying When you go back and read any one of the Gospels, I mean, I just chose John off the top of my head, but it makes you realize that when you say Jesus Christ is the same yesterday, today, and forever, and we fix our eyes on Jesus, and we fix our thoughts on Jesus, and Jesus is better,

when you go back and actually look how Jesus operate, operated, and then you say, oh, we're going to go to him. We're going to be that way on this earth. I don't see a whole lot of, difference in seeing what he was dealing with and what I'm dealing with in modern America. Right. I mean, we can all go to our little camp at our church.

And I know I'm just using that figuratively. But, you know, our camps today in America, if you fast forward, are our little comfortable, you know, lives at a church building. Right. Because, you know, you brought this up before we started filming, Phil. We have our little rule systems. Yep. or traditions or things that we feel like make us feel like we're actually doing something here

to contribute to our salvation. And if somebody gets out of line, and you think about the amount of arguments that there is among religious groups. And meanwhile, you're saying, man, if we're like Jesus and we're outside the camp, we're going to be disgraced for loving people, for coming to people's rescue, for giving people second chances. But you're doing it all through Jesus.

That's why when he got down to the practical, on what you do about it, like in verse 15, he said, through Jesus, therefore, let us offer to God a sacrifice of praise. He's not just wanting a sacrifice of praise. You do it all through Jesus, which is a hard concept to wrap your head around. Well, and back to the big point we were talking about, he's definitely talking about the priesthood, the way it worked, the sacrifices, because remember, they only 10% of every sacrifice they made. I'm talking about the meat of the sacrifice. These are animals.

They drain the blood. That was the idea of the ceremonial. Then you had the meat left, or what do you do with it? 10% went to the Levitical priesthood. That's how they ate. But 90%, what are you going to do with that? Because now it's unclean. You can't, I mean, it's been sacrificed.

The blood's been drained. So that went outside to be burned. So that's his reference that you're seeing. And then his point, Jason, you're right. Jesus also went out there. Well, guess what? his body is the the sacrifice for all people. And so his point is all this that has been going on,

and we've been talking about the whole book for thousands of years, it's all now outside what it used to be. And the ultimate sacrifice is him. And so the sacrifice now, that's why it says it's the lips of our confession and praise. Because all we got to do now is say, we want Jesus. We don't care about the process that gets us. Some of them have tried to build structures.

that would strike all in a person if you went down and walked in. Yep. You know, they built some monumental structures. They have marble buildings, you know, roofs high, way big things over in Rome, you know. You go to looking around. Some of these structures are. Well, it's a good point. Because the verse says, you know, one of the motivations for this while we go to Jesus is,

for here we do not have an enduring city. I mean, he's asking us to walk in his. steps and his steps was filled with disgrace and ridicule persecution suffering and death yeah and so you know as a treasure hunter i looked up city famous cities that are no longer here or that didn't endure you know i i did several searches on on the internet and i was fascinated that some of them they would just be the remains there. And at one time, I mean, from all around the globe, there was a few in America, you know,

but most of them, I mean, there was just unbelievable sights at one time. I mean, like the largest arch built by brick ever in the world with some old Mayan city, you know, in Mexico. Yep. Look at her now and it's just the jungle took it up. I mean, you just see different. I mean, I bet I looked at a hundred different cities. Was it Chichenitsa or?

I can't remember all the names. But, I mean, even some of the abandoned cities in America, there was one in Utah, I mean, in Utah that I've actually, we went with my family just hiking different mountains around there. And we saw it. We came up on it. There was, they built a city on the side of a mountain. You had to go up ladders to get to it.

and it was incredible craftsmanship. And, of course, it's just sitting there now with no people. I mean, somebody at some point said, this is a dumb idea. It's literally on the side of a mountain. They built a city. Let me do a flat spot. Let's take another break. There was pyramid-type things.

But that's what I thought. You think about when people come together, I mean, it kind of goes back the tower of Bible and say look what we're going to do you know we're going to build look at the innovation we can do and like one of them I saw was along the lines of the pyramid somewhere over there was this giant pyramid and they you go and view it I mean and and when the sun at a certain part of the day gets at the tip of the pyramid it it it's like a squiggly snake in the walkway coming up to it so I mean they designed this to do it and you look today and you're like what happened didn't endure it was all based on your idea and performance and what you were

going to do about being here on earth did you ever see the complete waste of time and it didn't endure did you ever see the movie apocalyptic that mel Gibson did which is one of my top all-time movies but that whole movie was what you're describing remember they had the sacrifices they'd go out and get these people, these poor people and bring them into the main area, and then they just started lopping their heads off. And none of it endured. Of course, it gave you the, they're not sure, nobody's sure what happened in the minds, but at least in Mel Gibson's view of it, that you see the Europeans show up on the shore with their diseases. And the implication is they were looking at like, oh, this is going to be great, but no, this was, that was the apocalyptic, the real apocalypse.

Yeah, two of the great cities that they had from the past. like just that were incredible were from that Mayan campaign. I mean, just what people did without really, you know, they didn't have big cranes and all. I mean, even when you go back and look at the pyramids. Oh, those Zagorits are still there. Yeah, and think about how they built the pyramids. You're like, what in the world?

But the point is it didn't work. It was a waste of time. You put all your energy and power structure toward this innovation. Because you know what they're missing? Jesus. There was no spiritual. Their spiritual stuff was... But they knew, you know what I find interesting?

You're talking about strange teachings. It's like in the mind's case that they realized they looked around at the creation and realized, well, there's got to be some God. And that's what, you know, people do. You figure out when you look at the sun, the moon, the earth, you're like, well, we come up with gods in our minds because we can't just believe this randomly. happen, whereas you always say salt water. Well, certainly the way they felt about Jesus is that he was,

he was a demon possessed. I mean, they had a whole list of things that they had against him. Well, what I was going to bring up about the Mayans on how it relates to this, they would sacrifice people to try to please the gods so it would rain or, you know, whatever difficulty they were going through in life, They were trying to use the same concepts as on Judaism, you're sacrificing animals to get forgiveness in God's favor. But you just look at our own in the United States.

You would think, been there 250 years, you would think we'd be way past slaughtering unborn children. And I mean marching in the streets saying, we nobody's going to keep me from killing. I mean, I've never seen so much effort and so much excitement over human beings, over the killing of their children inside their wound. I mean, I'm just looking at it saying, how in the world does a human being ever get to that point where they just slaughter? I mean, in these seventh, eighth graders, an old young kids. you know, they're taking their genitals off and all. Everybody looks back at the minds and people like that.

They're like, how brutal is that? Oh, yeah. Like, no less than what's happening to that. Well, that's why when Jesus, nothing has changed on that. We were going through the life of Jesus just in John. But, you know, when you got to John 11, it was a game changer.

Because then all of a sudden, he brings a guy back from the dead. Now, he had done miracles before. You'd seem like they would be putting two and two. together. But it's like the ultimate miracle. I mean, he brought it up in Hebrews, you know, chapter two, when he said he, since the children had flesh and blood, he shared in their humanity, which brought him a lot

of disgrace. Because once he entered that body, they said, oh, yeah, because they're going to attack him, which is what they do. Right. I mean, that's just what human beings do, as brutal as, you know, we're going down through it. But if somebody doesn't like you or they don't agree with you, there's a story. certain group of people out here that will attack you.

And they will murder you if it comes down to it. Oh, yeah. And so by his death, he might destroy him who holds the power of death, that is the devil and free those, you know, who were held in slavery by their fear of death. So I think that was a game changer because not only did he change the system on its head about you obtaining your own forgiveness or being good enough to be perfect or to be justified. He then turned that on its head, which is ultimately why people, after they watch Jesus' entire life, even his own brothers who didn't believe in John 7, they came around once he was dead.

I mean, that's my thought always, because then you see them there and ask, what is it, 114? when it says they all were together in prayer. Well, they went from John 7.5 to not believing in him, giving him some few PR advice on the way out. The evidence. To all of a sudden they're gathering around praying. The evidence became overwhelming. But you would think, okay, he raised somebody from the dead.

That didn't do it. But when he came back, they said, all right, I tell you what, we're in. It just shows you how stubborn human beings are. They kept trying to tell the creator of the universe how you should be religious. This is how you don't go eat with those people or these people. And you don't do that. Everything Jesus did, they just disagree with him all the time. Right.

Because, I mean, not just because they missed it, but again, we've talked about this the whole time. It's just because it's hard to accept this level of changing the way it's always meant. Well, it's uncomfortable, but I'll share this story. I played this golf tournament this weekend. Well, they don't, you don't know who you're going to be with, you know, the people you're playing with. So first told this guy, which I knew, knew the guy, but I didn't know him real well. I just made him a couple times.

Well, he had a wavered T-shot, and I mean, it was ever four-letter word you ever heard of, you know, blakety, blakety-blankety-blank. So I thought, well, I'll have to turn that off in my head. I wasn't, like, view it. I mean, this is, we're in the world, and I, when I read that verse, like, we can. go to Jesus, we don't, right there at that moment, say, oh, sir, would you mind not cussing in front of him, you know? Well, to my surprise, he'd come over to me and he said, man, I apologize for, you know, saying that, saying those cuss words, I said, well, you don't have to apologize

to me because I'm not going to listen to you. And he said, well, I'll keep God out of it. Now look, I never told him, I'm a believer. I'm so evidently. through the grapevine, he has, he knew that. Your reputation proceeded. And so, and I just wanted to say this because throughout the day, now did he stop cussing? No, but was I paying attention to it? No.

I just completely ignored him, you know, when he was hitting a golf shot. I was like, I'm thinking about something else. But. But it didn't, it didn't really bother me. Now that might bother, you know, Christians to hear. that but what I'm saying is if you're trying to be if you're trying to live honorably in every way I'm not going to burn a bridge over you know because this guy used a four little words but eventually you know the more I got to met to know this guy you know he served our country he was in a

Vietnam War he was showing me you know pictures of when he served because I was just asking questions about his family he's been married over 40 years and I mean it's a real likable guy and and my point to say this is I could have burned the bridge bridge over some issue. Of course he, you know, because I thought, man, this guy cussed like a sailor. Well, yeah, he's a sailor. He's an actual sailor. But my point is at some point, you know, you introduce Jesus to people. You give a sacrifice of praise, a fruit of lips, and confess his name. But we're not going around throwing rocks like John 8 and people on little things. And I do consider that a little thing.

Which is, I would say it's a good illustration of going outside the camp. We're out of time. In overtime, I want to just to tie off this section is give you my theory as to what the leadership question is, and that's why he bookends it with this text. So we'll talk about that a little bit in overtime. If you want to follow us over at blazTV.com slash unashamed to become a subscriber. Thanks for listening to the Unashamed podcast. Help us out by rating us on iTunes.

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