Unashamed with the Robertson Family - Ep 549 | Phil Says Sloe Jelly Makes a Happy Marriage & Jase Is Lucky He's Not a Heavy Man

Episode Date: September 18, 2022

Phil talks about how his life is seasonal and how making biscuits and jelly with your spouse is healthy for your marriage. Jase never gets in a hurry when he is going to eat something fantastic, but he recalls eating a dozen fresh, hot donuts in less than two minutes! Phil jokes about Jase not being as heavy as he sounds. Shawn Carney of 40 Days for Life joins the studio to discuss the importance of life and how selfishness leads to depravity. And Al discusses the value of innocence and how every person is fearfully and wonderfully made.  Sign up to watch the Unashamed overtime show, only on BlazeTV: https://BlazeTV.com/Unashamed - Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

I am unashamed. What about you? So, Jay, I see you've brought jelly to the set today. Well, I have. Does that mean somebody needs to bring the biscuits? Here's what's crazy. You know, Phil makes his own jelly, but I also have my former financial advisor, which I think is your, in case, financial advisor. And mine.

And yours. He makes jelly. He's sitting on a lot of money, and he's sitting on a lot of jelly. Well, he has a couple of slow trees on his property. He's here today, listen, by the way, to the audience. We're not talking about him. We're talking to him. The reason they call them slows is that you see that jelly?

That's made jelly. You wait for months. And the slows. They call them slows, a little... S-L-O-E. But it's not S-L-W, Phil. They're like slow plums. They finally get right during the time of teal season.

So you brush duck blinds and you're picking slows and still making jelly during that process. The blind was brushed yesterday. Which is September for us. That was made last night. Slow jelly, teal, put them together. And you're beginning to get into arrow. world. I love it because

dad's life is so seasonal, like everything's in its place, that they're slower only because they're later developing than the air ones. What you've been doing, Rob? I said, wait for the slows to get right. I'll tell you this. You would like Mountain Man's book, Life in the Slow Lane.

I came home yesterday from the podcast that we did yesterday and I saw the mayhow jelly you had made opened out there. Somebody got into it. I saw a pan there and I looked in there and my lovely wife was chomping down on some toast mid-afternoon. Slow jetty, we make happy marriages.

Yeah, she was eating the may-haul and she said, you know, I just saw it, the color of it, got my attention. And I just, I had to have some. I was like, oh, yeah, I've been doing that every day since I got it. That's why a certain percentage of my jelly, you can look, try to find it. If he's making jelly, what, a lot of it under my bed? Because I can't. You keep telling.

They wouldn't look there because if they find slow jelly out in the open, it is gone, dude. We have millions of people listening to this. Up and my bed is where I keep my stash because you put it out in the open and the women, especially them chubby ones, they get out to that slow jelly. It's so funny. Massaginging moments with Phil. Phil's lack of, you know, understanding technology, he doesn't realize that when he's telling his hiding places, this is going to millions of people.

If anybody's ever at your house, well, you've already done it too late. I'll look upon my bed if I keep it up and it'd be just parked. Oh, it's just going to mean nothing, though. That's exactly right. It was like the time he was on Jimmy Kimmel, remember when y'all were on there, and he gave his address. He gave his home address on national. You know, all wants to come down there.

I'll baptize and he gave his address. They were like, Phil, probably should have. give your address. Where all these people coming from? Well, you gave your address. So we got jelly now if we only had biscuits. We would have something. Well, I think what I'm going to do today, I've got a plan.

I'm on, now that I got the slow jelly, I'm going to, when I go home today, I'm going to talk Missy into making some biscuits. She's got Kay's recipe down. And then we'll have a mid-afternoon slow jelly biscuit. Ladies and gentlemen, what we're trying to do for the world is to make it a little more sweeter. Yeah. A little sweeter. Yeah.

And we do that through jelly. Homemade biscuits with homemade jelly does make for a sweeter life. It does. No doubt. You've redefined the term afternoon delight. In the old days, that meant something else. A liaison with your wife, but now the afternoon delight is jelly and biscuits. That's it.

What happens? That's what you start. Yeah, when you start getting older. But look, there are some things. And when you introduce a baby into your life as well. There are some things when it comes to food you wait on. I've told you all this. I have a rule.

I never get in a hurry when I'm going to eat something fantastic. You know, for years, which I can't do now because I think it probably would be unwise from a health standpoint. But I used to go to the local donut shop that we ate for years. And I would try to time it when they were hot because they were so good in that moment. I mean, right out of the oil. Yep. And I would get a dozen and I would eat them in less than two minutes. But I'd come up there, no matter what I had going, and I would say, when is the new batch coming out?

Well, if they say 20 minutes, that's how long you're waiting. I said, I'll wait. And they're like, well, but these. Yeah. He just made these. I was like, no, I'll wait. I will repeat what I've said in the last few weeks, and he's not a heavy man. My favorite light of the year on this fact.

I have a problem with donuts. Because, you know, 15 biscuits at a time, you're saying, is he a heavy man? He's said, well, not really. He must have a good metabolism. I've eaten two dozen in that city, in that setting. 24 donuts you know we did that episode on yeah the donut on our little dog shop well people will know slow jelly is a slow it there's a certain tartness that comes out of a slow it's different it's a ball plum a late season plum oh that's the key yeah flavor it's a little

tartness which makes it really good but it's different from a male I mean it's got a different Different flavor. And those, by the way, Dad, the official name I found out for those Texas grapes or Mustang grapes. Mustang. That's what they call them over there. I put some of those up this year. They, it's delicious. Oh, it's really good.

It's a little sweeter than. It was a friend of Tommy who passed on. Actually, it was a friend of mine. It's Dwight. You know, the Almighty took him a few years back. Tommy used to bring him to us. Sure it is. And he's gone on to the reward.

So I was like, man, because that was one of my favorite jellies. And so my old friend Dwight, I know he's listening. He listened on the podcast, he said, I think I can get y'all some of them grapes you're talking about. I was like, giddy up. Oh, yeah. And he did, which, thank you, Dwight. It's making me think of that song but in the jelly form.

Mustang jelly. Yeah. People who make jelly together stay together. Well, Phil. That's riding in a lot of greeting cards today. It really does. It brings people. together.

Who said that? You're on your hands and knees. Where's that quote from? Who said that? I made it up a few months back. I thought you were going to say I did. That may be a new t-shirt. Well, look, we got a guest coming on today.

And I'm glad we were able to laugh about jelly because today we're going to be talking about a pretty heavy subject because we're talking about life. And Sean Carney, who's the CEO of 40 Days for Life, is going to join us in just a minute. And before he does that, I want to read us. read a verse to kind of set that up. It's from Psalm 139. It's probably the most quoted and read verse concerning life. It says, this is David talking. He's talking to God. He said, for you created my inmost being, you knit me together in my mother's womb. I praise you because I'm fearfully and wonderfully made. Your works are wonderful. I know that full well. My frame was not hidden from you when I was

made in the secret place when I was woven together in the depths of the earth, your eyes saw my unformed body. All the days ordained for me were written in your book before one of them came to be. And I just, I love the concept of how life begins with God. I'll warn you, at some point I may become emotional in this conversation because I, you know,

we have a little baby right now in our home. And I just think as God's sons and daughters, disciples of Jesus, we should be out there defending the innocent, the unborn, these awesome creations from God. They grow up to be incredible human beings. I agree. That's what they are. Well, let's take a break, and on the other side we'll have Sean.

So we want to welcome Sean Carney to the podcast. He's the president's CEO of 40 Days for Life, which has sponsored the podcast and with your book that you had out. Sean, welcome back to Unashamed. it's good to be back. Thanks for having me. So I realized when I was doing a little research for you coming back, I went back and looked at the notes from before, and Jace has never met you because Jace was not on the podcast you were on.

It was Mom and Lisa on that day. So I'm glad to introduce you all. Sean's a good guy, Jay. Nice to meet you. So you were my replacement, and now we're all back together. But you need to grow your beard on out. Just go ahead and let it go. this is

I think this is as good as it's going to get for me my my brother-in-law he's got the full blown I mean he can't go swimming because he can't see because his beard gets in his face I've had that problem but yeah this is I think this is as good as it's going to get

I'll try to grow it out maybe if I come on next year can kind of see what progress I can make in the next 365 days so it's funny I was asking you I guess I didn't asked you before, Sean, about your family. You said you have eight children. Yeah, yeah,

we have, we have eight children. There were eight at breakfast this morning anyways. So, uh, we have a 16 year old all the way down to a two year old. We have five girls and three boys. And, um, it's a lot of fun. It's a lot of fun. It's a, it's a busy, but, but, uh, robust and joyful house. I love it. I mean, you know, I can't imagine, uh, eight, but I'm glad that it's, it's working out for you guys. So I was, and I guess that's fitting, which kind of leads into our discussion today about pro-life, because obviously you guys are all about life. You have eight children. But tell our audience a little bit about 40 days and kind of how you got started into that. What you guys do? Well, you know, I was a student at Texas A&M and my then-girlfriend, now wife,

took me out to pray at a local Planned Parenthood abortion. facility, the only one in college station. And just for me, I was 18 or 19 years old at the time, and it was my peers going in and having abortions. So it really challenged me as a man. Like, what am I doing? Like, I haven't been hurt by abortion. It hasn't been in our family. You know, I'm not doing anything. And so I really saw it as a challenge for men to step up and go out there and peacefully pray. So anyways, our numbers were really down in college station. We didn't get a lot of volunteers. Plain Parenta was doing a lot of abortions. So we just went all in for 40 days and did 40 days of prayer, 40 days of fasting, and 40 days of a nonstop peaceful vigil, 24-hour vigil, actually. We had a

group of guys go out all night from 11 to 7 a.m. and pray. And we just, we saw abortions drop by nearly 30%. That was 2004. So in 2007, we launched it nationally, and it was amazing to see we had 89 cities in that first campaign in the fall of 2007. So we do a fall campaign and a spring campaign twice a year now. And this fall, we'll have 620 cities participate in 40 Days for Life. It'll be our largest ever. So, you know, it's since gone to 1,000 cities in 65 different countries. That was probably our biggest surprise is something that happened in college station, Texas now.

You know, we've had campaigns in China. We've had campaigns in Russia, Africa, Latin America. And it's just been awesome to see it, you know, go throughout the world. You know, it's really powerful because you think about the power of prayer. And we don't think about that as being a launching pad, you know, for impact. But it really is. I mean, we talk about it all the time. We say, yeah, I'll pray for you.

pray about this, pray about that. But you guys have built an entire ministry on aiming prayer for what it was designed to do, which is, you know, speak into the spiritual warfare that we're facing. And it's a war, let's face it. It is. It absolutely is. And to show up, you know, I mean, nobody grows up wanting an abortion. Nobody grows up wanting to work in the abortion industry, for sure. Something always went wrong. That's why there's a huge shortage of abortion doctors right now. Yeah. So when you're there and your praying and you're, you know, peaceful and law abiding, the women will talk to you, the workers will talk to you. We've had 242 abortion workers not just get mad and quit, but actually

have a conversion, a change of heart and leave their job, including Abby, who y'all have had on and, you know, they made the unplanned movie about her story. So it's really awesome. It kills the bottom line of a local abortion facility. I mean, that that facility where we started in College Station closed in 2013. It's now our headquarters. We moved in in 2014. So we have a beautiful memorial to the unborn behind it. And it's our, it's our HQ. And it's just a testament that, you know, you can, you can close an abortion facility everywhere. We've closed a few in San Francisco, Los Angeles, Seattle, Chicago. We've closed three in London. I just got back from London, speaking at the UK March for Life, you know, it doesn't matter where you go.

It doesn't matter how crazy your insane government is. If you speak to hearts and minds, you're going to turn people away. Well, I was just going to say, I mean, you know, when you think about when Al said it was a spiritual war, which I think it is, because when you just look at it, I've never found a rational argument for the taken of a, unborn human. You know, when you listen to the arguments, it is a lie and a delusion. So just even when you look at how an abortion is defined from people who are not believers and who do not believe, you know, that life is precious, it's always the termination of

a pregnancy or the removal of tissue from a womb. They don't say we're killing an unborn human. No. Because everybody, if you're logical and you're reasonable, you realize that this process that we all went through. Yeah. We know that this person is going to be a toddler and going to be a teenager and going to be an adult and offer something to society. And to me, that's the part of the spiritual war is because one side is speaking illogical, irrational, emotional, emotional, emotional, arguments and the other side is just looking at the facts this is this is about location a human

is in this location and they're going to move to another location but they have a distinct DNA they are alive even science is shown that you you know you see them sucking their thumb when they're what 24 23 weeks they experience pain these are human beings this is life and so that's why I think, you know, it triggers our emotions because, you know, we go back to when God said, you know, he made man in his image. It was very good. Right. This is very good. So I was thinking about that when you said you have eight kids because I'm like, you've experienced this on a daily basis. I mean, right now we have a little baby that's six months old that we're babysitting, fostering. And you see, you know, 50 smiles a day. And you, and this is a baby that came from a

tough situation, your mom in prison, dad unknown, but you're looking at this life saying, this is very good, this is very good, this is a human being. As men, there's nothing more humbling or proud or maybe giving us feelings of just being totally useless, then the moment your little boy or little girl comes out. I mean, you would do anything for he or she. And you actually have a team of doctors that are going to do everything for the baby. Everything is there for the baby. And we're just schizophrenic with all this. I mean, we protect the unborn all the time.

That's why your point is great. There's not a good argument. I mean, we don't allow pregnant women to get on a roller coaster at six flags. You know, we won't serve them 10 whiskeys at a bar. I guess we should apologize to Scott Peterson. He's on death row, partly for second-degree murder. for killing his pregnant wife. And in the verdict, they named Connor, his unborn son, who he killed.

You know, so we just go back and forth with this, and the Supreme Court is, you know, dragging us out of this 1973 science with overturning Roe. But we're just totally schizophrenic with it. And there is one segment of the abortion movement, because you're right. They live in rhetoric. They live in these vague terms. and the baby has to die. This is, this is, it's unsuccessful if the baby lives.

Every abortion has to kill a baby. That's the point of it. And the, some of the abortion doctors themselves, they're honest and there's a huge disconnect between like the Madison Avenue abortion industry leaders who come up with these ridiculous phrases. And the guy that does it because, or the woman that does it, He is much more honest.

And when these abortionists do interviews, I always record it and put it in a book, one of my books. We put a lot of them in the last book that y'all help us promote last year, what to say when. But these doctors, they'll talk about crushing a skull. They'll talk about killing a baby, no problem. They'll call it baby and mother. I remember a 60 Minutes reporter one time asked Levera Carhart,

who's a late-term abortion doctor, you're using the term mother. Isn't that inappropriate? And he goes, no, it's the baby's mother. And she's like, well, do you just said baby? Well, it is a baby. We, you know, we kill the baby. You know, he just said it outright.

But they're, you know, they're kind of doing the dirty work. But you never get any honesty from the other side because what you said is exactly right. For abortion to thrive, we have to dehumanize people. And we're not dehumanizing them, dehumanizing them this go around. because of their race or religion like Nazi law did. We're dehumanizing them because of their size and location. Oh, yeah, that's the point. Think about in our history, the history of the world.

When you devalue, you know, human beings based on their color, which has happened or based on where they came from, and in this case, you know, where they're at, you know, in the womb, what happened? Major atrocities. Yep. Murder. I mean, if you look at someone, you know, because they're black. you devalue them or you look because they're Jewish and you devalue them. You look at them

because they're unborn. You devalue them and what happens? Atrocity. I don't see any difference. That's fantastic. Let's take a break. This is the slaughter of complete innocence. When Jesus was on the earth, he said, you're doing what your father does. And if God were your father, father, you would love me. If God were really the father of these people, the last thing they would do would be killed them. If God were your father, you would love me, and we would love our children if God were a father too. For I came from God and now here, I've not come on my own, but he sent me. Why is my language not clear to you? Because you're unable to hear what I say. You, here's the father of murder. You belong to your father, the devil, and you want to carry out your father's desire.

You say, well, what does Satan want? He was a murderer from the beginning, not holding to the truth. They were trying, fixing to, planning to kill a person, Jesus Christ, who was perfect like a little child. No mistake. There's absolutely pure life, a child inside a mother's room. You, you were,

he was a murderer, Satan was it, and not holding to the truth, for there's no truth in him. And when he lies, he speaks his native language. I mean, that's not really a living person inside that womb. You're going, and he goes on,

he tells them lies. And people say, well, really not, you know, I mean, they're still in their mother. It's really, they're not alive. They have a heart beating, they're breathing, they're sucking their thumb like him, and they're fixed to come out, and we kill them. By the way, he goes on to say, first John says, don't be like Kane, who murdered his brother, and why did he murder him? He said, he belonged to the evil one, and he murdered his brother and that's what they do

the little unborn children. Same thing. That's why I mentioned that it was a spiritual problem before we even get into some of the ashes. They belong to the evil one. So let's take a break. So tell us, Sean,

I'm really interested in your take since Roe has been overturned kind of what that means in the larger battle in terms of in the nation. because a lot of people totally misread it and are like celebratory like, okay, we're done. Now abortion's over. You know, the battle was won.

And it's really, that's really not true. In my mindset, the battle just begins because now we're at the state level. So explain that a little bit to our audience, kind of where we are in terms of the national picture. Yeah, it was great. And speaking of what we were getting into earlier. I mean, it was Mississippi, you know, the deepest part of the deep south, the, the, the, the most pro-slavery state in the Confederacy who wrapped themselves in glory and got Roe v. Wade overturned, that brilliant Dobbs case.

I mean, it's just awesome. And, you know, there was that reaction of like, well, what does this mean? But I was actually, you know, encouraged by how many people realize, oh, yeah, the work, you know, the real work begins. We got to, we got to hit the ground running. And, you know, we expected Roe to be overturned. We started planning for it with the nomination of Kavanaugh, because of all the precedent that we talked about of just us legally defending the unborn. And there's really three highlights.

You know, number one, it just shows the 50 years and the grassroots, these pregnancy resource centers, things like 40 Days for Life. You know, people getting to work at the local level when we've had these insane politicians promoting infanticide and just saying, look, D.C. will correct itself. we'll vote pro-life, we'll pray for the best, but we got to help people on the ground. And so you really had one side of the issue, the pro-life side, building sort of a grassroots army to win hearts and minds. The other thing that we had was the fact that Roe v. Wade was overturned with the most pro-abortion government in U.S. history in power. And part of that is God's sense of humor. The other part of it is all of the work at the grassroots, these talking points, you know, the messaging, the pro-life movement has gotten younger. It's been, it's become the positive side, the pro-science side, the compassionate side, and the abortion side has become angry and loud.

I even heard abortion supporters on the news saying that when they heard that Roe was overturned that they just felt like they were losing the messaging. And that trickled up to the people who frankly advised Donald Trump on his Supreme Court nominees. I mean, the people behind the scenes, those are our folks. Those are people that knew what was going on in the grassroots. And then, of course, to his credit, Trump listened to those people and nominated three great justices. And of course, nobody wants to give him credit for anything. But he deserves that for sure. That's right.

And, you know, then Roe was overturned. And now it goes back to where we're the strongest. Because Planned Parenthood, they've really owned D.C., unfortunately. They've done a great job in D.C. and in New York through their PR firm and through their legal battles to get funding. But they are very weak in the grassroots, very weak. You can just ask their employees. That's why we've helped 242 of them have a conversion. We have a former Plain Parenthood manager who works for us.

And so they're very weak at the grassroots, and that's where this battle's going. And that is going to be very, very powerful. You know, even though Roe was overturned, we got more applications to lead a 40 Days for Life this fall than any previous fall. So it has motivated the base. We have one million volunteers around the world, and they're more motivated. They're not, you know, popping champagne saying, well, it's all over. nobody's had that response on the pro-life side.

And that's why we can have abortion-free states and abortion-free regions and eventually an abortion-free country. And, you know, Mother Teresa is the only one in 1982 to say, if America gets back to her roots, then she will end abortion. And when she ends abortion, the world will follow. And I believe that that will happen because America was before the overturning a row, the most pro-abortion country in the West. Our laws equaled North Korea and China on abortion.

It was insane. So this is definitely a winnable thing, but it's going to take a lot of prayer and a lot of sweat. And you mentioned London earlier. So, I mean, do you think that we will, this will help kind of turn that tide to making a difference around the world, not just here? Because let's face it, Europe is more pro-life than we are in terms of laws. I mean, there's, which is sad to say because we, you know, here we are thinking, you know, we were founded on Judeo-Christian values and the idea of that, but we, we have strayed so far

off the path. We're no longer the beacon for people. Yeah, yeah. And, you know, aside from our little hiccup with the English in 1776, they've been our closest ally. And, you know, they are very enthusiastic. The one thing about the Brits that's very important for us, is they are the holders of freedom and freedom of speech in Europe. If they fold, they're finished. And, you know, right now, the Scottish Parliament is trying to ban 40 Days for Life from the country. The English have tried to do it, but their own courts have rescued us based on freedom of speech. So there is hope in England, and England has a lot of influence throughout Europe.

There's tons of hope in Africa. and Africa and Latin America, that is American and British abortionists going into those countries, corporate America too, going into those countries saying you ought not breed, quit having all these kids and building abortion facilities. Planned Parenthood is huge in Latin America. They call themselves pro-familia. So, you know, there is a lot of hope in those areas because the people are pro-life. They love family. They love culture. They love children.

And they're Christian. So I think Europe will look to us saying, America was crazy. They allowed abortion at, you know, 40 weeks. And they overturned their legal precedent. You know, they overturn Roe v. Wade. So it really sent shockwaves. Pro-America shockwaves, by the way.

Talk about a time to have your hand over your heart and be proud of your country after we've spread this nonsense around the world, you know, it sends a message that we don't in the West have to live with abortion. Yeah, that's a great point. I want to, we just have a couple of minutes left, but I want you to, your book, What to Say When, was really good, and we were able to promote it and you guys supported us on the podcast, which we appreciate. The last chapter you call the ultimate argument. What is the ultimate argument when it comes to pro-life and abortion? The ultimate argument is love. is love. And of course, that's

Jesus Christ who died for us, who himself could have popped out of an acorn and saved this from our sins. But he didn't. He went into the wound. And in the most dramatic fashion, being born in a stable. And that is the ultimate argument. You know, I've had thousands of discussions on abortion. That's why we wrote the book. And if you get the book,

by the way, y'all help make it a number one Amazon bestseller. So thank you all. There you go. Thanks, Anna Shah nation. Exactly. There we go. But you know, you're going to know what to say. And it's not designed to be a know-it-all, but you'll be a know-it-all if you read it.

So, you know, we give you what to say, what not to say. But that's the easy part. The people who have converted, the people who have had breakdowns, the people who, the women who, after years of hiding their abortion, the men that paid for an abortion and just buried it for 30 years. The abortion workers, the doctors, it is the engagement. example. It is the hands and feet of Christ. It is the love of thinking, them realizing, you know, you don't, you don't hate me. You're actually not judging me. And I don't have to live with this. You know, I don't have to live with this because they spend so much time justifying their behavior, which we do with all of our sins, right? And so they just bury it. And whether they've had an

abortion or whether they're participating in an abortion, they don't want people to ask them what they do in the grocery store. And it's just a great invitation. We've had so many people who have converted on this issue because of the way that we share the truth and they can see the love. And sometimes it's the first time they've ever felt love. Yeah. And you know, I saw, that's why I love that chapter. I wanted you to discuss that. Because Lisa and I say that we finally, as a, as on the Christian side of things, we really, have learned to be to put pro love in the pro life movement at one time in the 80s and back in the 70s you know it was we we were angry and for for it was righteous anger but at the same time it didn't

seem like we cared about the people and so now I think we've we've altered that which is why I think we're winning you know because love is at the forefront well I like how you you know got it back to Jesus because he you know he is light he is life that's right and he is love yeah and so when you think about this among all other issues. I mean, this is the bedrock of our society. I mean, God loves us. He gives us life, but he also proved his love by giving us Jesus, who you correctly said. I mean, he could have just come down here and died, but he wanted to show us his life, and he chose to show us that that life started as a human in the womb. Including his own. I mean, if, you know, if I'd have been in on the planning, deity planning,

I would have said, let's just skip that part, but it just shows you that that is truly human life. I mean, why else would you have done it? Hang on, let's take a break. Beings get on this path. One was 128, since they did not think it worthwhile to retain the knowledge of God. God gave them over to a depraved mind to do what ought not to be done. What's this? They have become filled with every kind of wickedness, evil, greed, depravity.

They are full of envy, murder, strife, deceit, and malice their God haters. If you can get them to see that God loves them and they can be saved, let's don't take it out on someone in their mother's womb. It's a product of a depraved mind. Because you say it sounds crazy. Why would you jump with glee in the killing of a human being inside a mother? That's why I said the basic fundamental argument are on our side, on God's side, on humanity side when you start looking at it. Because they'll come up with arguments like, well, it's my body, I can do what I want.

Well, there's all sorts of laws that are enforced that you can't take your body and hurt someone else's body. Yes, right. It's called rape, murder, different things. So it's just in every argument, you realize that it's a delusion. Or as my buddy said the other day, we were talking about this, because I was talking about I'm moved by keeping this baby. You know, we didn't have the baby. The special circumstance came our way. I've talked about it many times on the podcast.

But what it's been for me, I mean, it's been exhausting for my wife. You know, there's a lot of money that's going out. You're taking care of a baby. There are frustrations. But every day is this celebration of life. Right. And just the small details of watching, you know, watching him try to figure out how to crawl. The first time he gets some food in his mouth, he's like, starts gagging.

And then, you know, five minutes later, he's like, give me some more. I mean, it's just this celebration of life. Depraved minds has become mainstream. But my buddy the other day, we were talking about that, I was like, you know, I'm just moved almost to tears every day thinking, why would you not, at the sake of convenience, which is what most abortions are about, not celebrate this life? And he's like, but you got to realize the argument for abortion, he said to me, it's like when you're in the woods, because he's a hunter, he's my buddy. And he made this so practically, I just thought, wow. He said, if you're in the woods with your child and a bear encounters you, the last thing you would do is throw your child in front of the bear and take off running.

He said, but that is the argument. And that's true. we just would not, we would not do that unless we came up with some kind of delusional way of looking at it. God humanized, dehumanizes the baby. So, Sean, speak to that. I feel like what Jason Missy are doing, a lot of believers are doing in the pro-life movement, and that is once children are born. Because obviously, if abortions stop happening in states, that means we're going to have more children

because people are not going to, you know, quit finding themselves in situations where they're pregnant. That's still going to happen, even though we're trying to work on that end as well. So how important is it for fostering, for adopting in that part of the pro-life movement? It's very important. And, you know, we've helped 22,000 moms that we know of who have chosen life. And I've held many of those babies. I met a high school kid who was saved during the first 40 days for life campaign. Met him a couple years ago.

Wow. And most of them choose to mother. Some of them we lay adoption out there. And adoption is an awesome option and it's a very good option. But many of the moms decide that they're going to raise their baby. And those resources are abundant. So are the adoption agencies and so are the maternity homes, which we had a shortage of, but we're catching up on that,

where women who have nowhere to go. can go and stay and have their baby and have a place to live. So the shelters have increased, but the pregnancy resource centers, the medical help, the, hey, I need a free pregnancy test, or now I need an ultrasound, or I need, you know, I'm pregnant. Plain Parenting doesn't do prenatal care. So the pregnancy resource centers outnumber abortion providers five to one across

our country. And I believe that was even mentioned in the Dobbs case in Mississippi. You know, and so all of the resources, because people have gone to work the last 50 years, are there. But, you know, you're seeing a lot of media coverage about women are going to leave, you know, Texas and go to California. You're going to hear those in the media, but that's not going to be the majority of them. Most travel is a huge deterrent for an abortion. And we know that from decades of research with states who have highly restricted it. You'll have kind of a wave, but over time, they're not going to travel.

We just had a beautiful story of a woman who took up her, she's one of the few that took up her company's offer to pay for her abortion, which is just a whole shameful subject on its own. She flew from Florida to New York, and she encountered a 40 Days for Life 365 campaign. It's year-round. We have about 80 of those. They go every day year-round. and they're out there praying and she talked to him and she said, I can't go through with it. I'm going to go back to Florida.

And her ridiculous company said, you will have that abortion or we will not pay for your flight home to Florida. And she said, well, you can forget it. I don't want your money anyways. And she chose life. That just happened a week ago. And you know, you're going to see some of that, but women don't want to do this. we're going to see a lot of, we're going to see babies born for sure,

but we're just going to see a positive outlook on our own nature, which half the time we do have a positive outlook on, which is babies are good. And we're going to have a lot of people choose life. Tell folks somewhere, if they want to get involved with you guys, where can they go? You go to our website 40 Days for Life.com. It's the number 40.

We have a weekly podcast. We have a quarterly magazine. Those are all free resources. You can certainly get the book, the What to Say When book, on our website or on Amazon. But also, all of our locations are on the website as well. So 40 Days for Life.com. Perfect. Man, it's always a pleasure having you on.

And we're engaged in the battle with you guys, as you know. Lisa's written an article for your magazine. And so we stand with you for life. So thanks for all you doing. Thank you for being on Unashamed today. Thank you. Thank you for all you doing for our country. God bless you. So I really like Sean and what they're doing.

And really, I mean, the beautiful thing for Lisa and I meeting all these different organizations. I mean, next week we're going to be at D.C. There's a group there called Susan B. Anthony List. They're the largest lobbying group on behalf of pro-life in Washington. So they're, I mean, they're literally swimming in just the swamp, as Trump called it, about this whole issue. And so it's good for, it's been good for me because I just felt like, man, it's such a loss. Kind of like the scriptures you're reading that is like it's easy to be overwhelmed and you think 60 million kids. And it's just like this is so evil and so bad.

But there really are some people out there, I mean some warriors that have been battling this thing for over, you know, now almost 50 years. We're not alone. It's a scourge. It is a scourge. That's a classic example. Why I center around most of my speaking events and the things I do, toward younger people because you remember where all this started, which you don't want to take for granted.

You know, when he was 18, 19 years old, he kind of had this epiphany moment. Because in this case, you know, about life and something that's so obvious and that's, you know, we know from, you know, where's the verse in proverbs? It's, you know, it says the God, there's like seven things he detests and hates.

And one of them is the shedding of innocent life. Yeah, that's right. I mean, it just, is horrific. So I'm glad he had this moment in prayer when he's young to give his life to this. And look at the result of that. He said he's a warrior. But did you notice how that started?

He said his girlfriend encouraged him to do it, who now is his wife. So we talk about relationships. I mean, think about that because she encouraged him, her husband dedicated his entire life. To doing that. And you know, because that's why I kept bringing up. you know, the little baby we have now, because I know when he said he had eight kids, every time they had a baby, it just affirmed what he was doing. That's right.

You're like, what are you talking about? You can't get any more special than this. This is the foundational bedrock of our society. Yeah. From a morale booster. I mean, we're going to scrap. We're going to fight. We're going to love for these people.

But you brought up. Jayce, you brought up racism. You know, Planned Parenthood's foundational beginnings back in the early 1900s were racist. The whole idea was it was eugenics. We're going to weed out the inferior race. The whole idea of abortion. That old Sanger woman. Yeah, Margaret Sanger.

So, you know, it was based in racism. That's why Dr. Carson talks about it. He compares it to slavery. When you don't value life, which Jace made a beautiful argument about it, talking to Sean. when you don't value life, any life, all life, then you're not doing what Christ said, because he is life. He is life. It makes you not get emotional because the other side are coming up with all these emotional arguments. Because they're like, well, what if, you know, the mother's life is in danger and you're like, let me just, all life is equally value.

Yeah. Valuable. All life is equally valuable. So wherever we go from here in this situation, that's not going to change. The mom is valuable, so is the baby. That's great point. Valuable. So we'll move forward from there on how to do this.

But we're, like I said in the illustration, we're not throwing the baby to the bear. And look, Jase, we had a perfect illustration of that. We had a woman that was, she was delivering her baby, and her life did become in danger. And they knew she was probably going to have some problems. They were prepared, but they couldn't stop her bleeding. But her thing was you make sure she said going into labor, my child comes first, no matter what happens to me. She made that choice. She gave her life for her child.

And I think about the Tim Tebow story, you know, when they encouraged his mom to, you know, have an abortion because her life could be in danger. And she's like, no. And, I mean, every time I see Tim Debo, I'm like, well, I love this woman. You know, and I realized that as a believer, I mean, she just tried. trusting in God in the situation. But all those things are just offshoot to cloud these arguments that are not based on any bit of truth or love whatsoever. The bottom line is it's based on convenience, it's selfishness, it's irrational arguments.

It's depravity. Well, it's selfishness at its core, though. I mean, it's like, for whatever reason, they're putting. themselves first. Right. I'm saying most of them. There's a few exceptions which they highlight on, which becomes the, you know, the basis for all these arguments.

But I'm just saying most abortions are just matters of convenience. Yep. Or are just unwanted humans. They just make a decision that I don't want to fool with this tissue. So they dehumanize and they kill the baby. And they just use these broad terms, reproductive. health, women's rights. Now it's reproductive justice, whatever that means.

I mean, these terminology, it's just, you talk about smoke and mirrors. I mean, they will not call it what it is. Well, and what I was going to say is these same people usually categorize humans where everybody's, they put people in different categories. Right, right. I mean, it's like you got African Americans or you got, you know, Chinese American, Asian Americans. and you've got, you know, Native Americans.

But all of a sudden, we have a category here that I'm trying to bring up. It's that there's a category of human beings that are being slaughtered. It's called womb dwellers. And they are a category of human beings that have been devalued. That's right. Who are completely innocent. Yeah. Completely innocent.

So, I mean, I'm like, if you can't fight for those people, I mean, I, even when Roe versus Way was overturned, I just put a little social media sentence and said, it's a good day for the unborn. Because that category of humans, this is a good day. If they could cheer, they would have. And the hail fire that came from that comment, you know, from the other side was pretty incredible. And the same theme happened. It was they were devaluing them as humans. That was the common thread. Unfortunately, it's a death cult.

We're out of time, but it was great to have Sean on. And this is important. So I would encourage you guys to get involved in, whether it's your local pregnancy center or whether it's with these guys are a national organization. This is Jason's right. This is a cause worth joining. So if you haven't really done that,

I want you to see how you can get involved with that and help us. Yeah, whether you're a believer in God or not, this is just as a human being taken up for innocent people. That's right. It's a can't lose cause to be a part of. So we encourage you to do that. We're heading into overtime, so we'll see you on the other side, blazedtv.com slash unashamed.

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