Unashamed with the Robertson Family - Ep 55 | The Only Reason Phil Answers His Phone, Jase Goes to the Deep Waters, and the Lost Secrets of Malakoff

Episode Date: February 19, 2020

Phil gives the only reason he will answer his phone. Jase tells about his recent trip to Malakoff, Texas, and goes into the deep waters of scripture.  See episodes of "Unashamed with Phil Robertson": https://bit.ly/2J4XsiX   See clips from Phil's TV show "In the Woods with Phil": https://bit.ly/2PNM6k1   Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

I am Unachanged What about you? So this past weekend I did my second event of the year I got them stacked I got like seven or eight in a row Because this, well this next weekend

I'm speaking at our home church WFR Which of all the speeches I gave last week That was my worst Because it reminded me of the verse Kind of where we're at A prophet has no honor In his hometown

I mean it was just crickets. I tell, you know, I have a few jokes that if people don't laugh, I don't tell those anymore. So I figure out what's funny, you know. I tell them at my home church. It's just, crickets. The old comedian, this tough crowd.

Oh, yeah, Rodney Danger. Yeah. What's a tough crowd? I feel that way. I mean, I don't know. So I've, because I noticed yesterday. I'm not accepted in other. places than my hometown.

Mine reaches out there a little further. My name is not in high steam in some areas. I did get a wonderful letter today from Silicon Valley. Why do you read this? Phil. Because Ms. Kay hands me a letter from time of time

said you ought to read this. But Silicon Valley, but they were very nice. They said, hey, keep it up. Your podcast. I love it. All the, y'all. I don't read So there are a few voices crying in the wilderness. It's like when your phone rings, you always answer it. If you had a cell phone, look, you could see that if they're not. Every time I'm down there, y'all go and I'm like, who is it?

But he's got like a list of like numbers he'll take. But I've seen him do it. They won't say who it is. I'm like, why are you answering that? If you don't, I don't know who you are. Because they may say, I'd like to come down and I'm ready for you to baptize me. That's why I answer it. Well, that's true.

but that's more like one in a million. Well, I mean, I guarantee you most of them. So you're telling me there's a chance. I'm just saying most of the times is, have you bought any Tupperware lately? Or, you know, I'm just, okay. So I'm in, I was actually in Athens, Texas, which is right outside of Malacoff. And, you know, I don't, I do so many events. And my old team, they put them together.

I mean, I approve them. I'm like, yeah, let's do this. this but you know i forget so i didn't even like on the way there because i drove because it wasn't that far it's like four hours three and a half four hours so i'm like i called my assistant she was meeting me there i was like no what are we doing here she's like you know it's a she she just rattled off what this was it's i heard educational something something something fundraiser i was like okay so i thought in my mind oh it's a christian in school.

You know, okay. While I get there, wrong. It's actually a public school for this town called Malikoff. I almost got a ticket one time in Malacov, but he let me off. Really? Yeah. So I probably met every security, every badge person. Yeah.

Because, you know, when we do these events, they, you know, you have a, what do you call them, like a writer or whatever, what you call it. And they go through a process. So when I get there, everybody knows what, expected so that you got security. Well, they had everybody with a badge and a gun. It was like following me around. I'm like, you know what? I think I'm pretty safe here in Malica. Yeah, Malico. You never know. Well, you never know. Trust me, you'd have felt good about it. So here's the deal. So I'm looking, you know, I'll try to get to know the community because I did a little

VIP meet and greet, but I knew it really wasn't necessarily a church crowd because about the third woman I took a picture with, she like patted my fanny. You had a little butt pat. Yeah, a little butt pat and squeeze. Always a bad sign. Yeah, I thought, ooh, what's going in? You know, my sister, she's looking around security, you know, I'm like, it's fine. I think the woman had a few, you know, a few too many, and it was early.

So I thought, well, no, what is this again? Because I was trying to figure out what it was. It was a dinner, you know, for, to raise money for this, their educational program. And so I started investigating when I go back to the green room, I'm investigating this town. Yeah. So I googled the name and it said named after a Russian fort. I thought, that's weird. Yeah, in Texas.

That's right. Well, yeah. So, well, when I read that out loud, the cop, he said, I've never heard of that. I was like, well, you live here. What do you mean you never heard of? So then my sister, no, she's on the case now. So she's like, do you know what Malikov means? And we're like, what?

She said, it's a process by where they make cheese. It's, it's, so I'm like, oh, y'all make, you're famous for cheese? He said, no. I'm like, I find it pretty close to Molotov cocktail things that explode. So I don't know. Exploding cheese. So she said, well, you know what they're most famous for. They used to be coal miners there.

and they have all these mines and all. Well, they found in one of the mines, they found these three stone faces that they assumed that were made like at the beginning of time. And they had pictures of them. You can Google it and see it. It was quite fascinating and scary. It's three, yeah, two, I guess, Caucasian, one, African.

And there's these stone faces that were chiseled by how they found under the ground. So then that spawned this concept of witchcraft and all under the grounds here in the city we're in. In fact, they said the building you're in. Why is that the country? Is this East Texas? Yeah, it's East Texas. They said this building, they found a brick door, underground door, you know, under the building. And I was like, well, it was in there.

They're like, well, the town had a meeting and decided not to go in it. And look. I was like, that's the craziest thing. So I come out there going to give my speech, you know. And I'm like telling them, I was like, boy, I googled. I just used this in my opening. Yeah, that would do something. Look, it's just cricket.

They're like, well, the one thing I read about that the most famous thing that happened in Molokov is that they had this bar called the coal miners and it was so raucous. they had to close it down. And so I was like, so after I went through the cheese, the Russian fort, the stone face, the witch crowd,

I got nothing. They're just looking at me. When you got to the bar, when I got to the bar, they all roared, laugh, you know, and I thought, well,

there you go. Okay, here we, this gets back down to the basic temptations of man. You know what I mean? All this stuff I was so curious about. But here's what stood out. You know,

when I got up, they played, like a sharp-dressed man, you know, we're still, we're going back, it's like it was a, going back 10 years retro, they're still doing the Dynasty, you know, ZZ-Top, sharp-dress man. And I thought, I don't think these people have any idea what I'm fixing to share. I'm sure they do. Because the last thing you would expect me to, you know,

I mean, to get somebody like me for an educational, public education. because now in our culture now they've separated that from God. That's part of, and I thought, big time. These people are fixed to get in trouble if they combine what I say to the public education system. It's called freedom of speech, Chase. Yeah, because I said, look, here's where I stand on public education. I said, I stand right there with Noah Webster. Education without the Bible is useless.

Great quote. Yeah. He was right. I thought everybody would check. here nothing nothing here here we go here we go i said in here one didn't work i said and here's why i said if jesus who is the point of this bible if he is god in the flesh which i believe and he visited our planet he lived a perfect life you know i'll go through the gospel he died on a cross so that we could be forgiven and then he came back from the dead if that's true

and you don't embrace that, that's just dumb, which took me back to my education. If there's a way to get off the planet, you could be the most educated person. So was there a roar after that or were they quiet? Well, they started warming up. There was a few, you know, claps. But it was one of those deals where since it was a community event,

when I held up the Bible, of course, there are people drinking, they have beer in their hand, you know. But it's like when you bring the Bible up, not there's anything wrong with drinking a beer. but they're like, what should I do with his beer? He has a bike. It's that bewilderment. It's like the time, Dad, that remember when you shut down

that one of our sponsors from years ago, they had a rap party going, the band is juke in it. They invited me to speak, and I walked out there, and the rap band is on my left, and they are gyrating, and I look back in the back, and the whiskey's flowing, and I thought to myself, you know, I am who I am.

and I'm going to share the good news with them irregardless so to miss Kay's exact statement after I did that speech she said Phil I've seen a lot of parties shut down I have never seen a party shut down as rapidly as that one did I told the guys later I said guys you asked me to speak, I said, because what was it weird about that one? I'm in a casino. Right. It's in a casino. They were paying dad and my money, like, their sponsors. So they were having it for their big thing, but normally it's just a big drunk fest. Actually, they were very, very good to us. Yeah, they were great. They paid us a lot of them. They were great. Well, I mean, like this, look, I took the sharp dress. What could I say?

I used to get drunk all the time, and everybody's getting drunk here. I'm up to speak. I'm a repentant man from my immoral drunken ways. And you pretty much have one angle when you get in front of crowd. So, you know, it's not a bit better. It's like, look, I filled in for you over here in Western Louisiana. Years ago. You got sick or something, and I went to a D.U. Banking.

And I got there, and I mean, it was one of those. They had the strippers. You know, you pay, people are bidding on taking articles of clothing off. Everybody's hammered. I'm like, oh, boy, this beach is going to be. be something. Even when I got up there, it wouldn't even quieten down. It was just, so I just held my Bible up. I went just spiritual warfare 101. And I could tell people were looking like, what's they just, what's, I held my duck calls

and my Bible. And then after a bit, I held, I put the duck calls down because I thought, no, this is making me angry that they won't be quiet. I told the guys later at that casino episode, I just said, listen. you could have gotten somebody else. Yeah. Well, but when you, if you call me in.

What's funny, as the next year, the next year, they, they didn't call you back because Saive, they signed Sai on as well. So the next year,

Sai and I went up there, but we don't have quite the power stroke you got because we couldn't shut the party. Like we were trying to talk in the front half was listening, but the back never stopped. It was just a little.

Well, this place I was at this past, there was nothing like that. I don't think anybody, I mean, I want to say this, There was nobody doing that. I just don't think. They thought I was going to tell a few jokes.

I mean, most people. Now, I'm sure the people who got me there, oh, they knew. Because I got into the public school system, I was like, look, when you took God out, you took those principals out. And I quoted 1st Corinthians 13. I've done that before on the podcast. I'm like, no wonder there's, you know, people shooting up to school. And because when you take out love is kind, it's patient, it's not easily angered, it's not rude.

You know, when you take all that out, Well, what are we left with? The free-for-all. Just try to figure it out, you know. And plus, you know. So overall, get to the point, Jay. How did the audience speed this thing up? Did you do any good or you did more harm than good?

I think it went good. I think it went good. I took the sharp-dress man bit and went in that Galatians 3, 27. For all of your sons of God through faith, for all of you who are baptized into Christ, have put on. Christ. You know, I'm like, because here they are. They were all overdressed.

I made a comment about, I'm in my camo. You know, and they're playing sharp dress, man. But I'm like, the reason I'm dressed sharp is because I put on Jesus. You know, I no longer live. I've been crucified with Christ. You know, I quoted Galatians too. Right. So I introduced Jesus.

The crowd warmed up. It just took a bit. And then when we got to the end, I was like, if y'all got a better idea, lay it on me. But that's what I'm going with. I think it'll help our school system. These principals, you don't have to, you know, go make a sign and, you know, and stand in front of the school.

Just take the principles that are found in this Bible and teach it to the kids. They'll be way better off. And so I did that look. I said, and for those that want to get with me and follow Jesus, I'll see you in heaven. That's how I ended. Well, about five or six people in the middle, they stood up. Started clapping. I thought, okay, they're in.

Well, then a few more, you know. And it was like a three-minute, you know, a few people, and then a few of them looked around and said, I guess we're standing up here. But I thought it was pretty good, you know. Well, there was a guy yesterday that drove to West Monroe, or Monroe and West Monroe, from Virginia to get back. So he came to WFR at the first service.

And one of our guys told me he was there, but I never got to meet him. So he sent me an email this morning, like early this morning. He was heading back to Virginia. He was from Virginia. So he said, you know, he loved our service. And he was telling him about that. And he said, I drove over to where your dad is at. Somebody told him where you were for you to baptize him, which I guess you did.

I did. So he actually said that. He watches the podcast, so I'm sure he's going to see that. he said yeah I told your dad I was from Virginia but he called me Alabama and we call me Alabama and I said what Mr. Phil I'm from Virginia and he said dad said yeah I like Alabama better so it was funny because he thought that was really funny because we talked about how you nickname people so at the end of it when he signed his name on his email he had Alabama and he's not from Alabama no he's from Virginia so you feel this is where the problem is I told the

audience I said look I got up there and all the brothers stayed they wanted to see the baptism I said look I've been saying this guy, it's from Alabama. During my lesson I gave you, I said, but actually he's from Virginia. I said, but what's the deal? He's from America. Well, and now he calls himself Alabama. That's what tickle me is. He just decided I'll go.

Feels right. I'll go with Alabama. I never had met him. I'm not sure why you just won't call people with their name. Their God-given name is. Just go ahead and do it. Because there's 10,000 different people coming at me all the time with different names. I said, you remember me?

And I'm like, hey. Well, there's 50 states. There's still a lot to remember. Remember. But he doesn't have to remember. He just makes up a state. I mean, that's a state on them. I can remember Alabama, Virginia.

It doesn't matter where that's right. No, you can't remember. You just got Alabama and Virginia have nothing in common. I did. Well, the good news, Dad, he has no offense towards you. He left here happy that he came, so which is awesome. So anyway. I told him, I said, you are.

He drove 1,100 miles, by the way. Yeah, he told me, said, I drove 1,100 miles to get here. I said, I said, trust me when I tell you, what you're fixing to do, it's well worth That's right. That's what I told him. That's the one phone call that you're hoping for. That's right. It's like me when people, you know, you see people stand in line. I'm like, I would stand in line for no one except Jesus.

Yeah. You know, there's some things in life that it's time to just stop everything and go in a different direction. I did it. One time I stood in line to get a picture. I went to a Christmas party at the governor's mansion. And I stood in line an hour to get a picture with Bobby and Jindon and his wife. And I said to myself, I will never, I mean, I love Bob. lobby. I'm saying, I will never stand in line again to take a picture of stupid.

I don't get it. I mean. But I do events and people stand in line. I feel so bad. On this guy's behalf, I knew he was in the audience. I knew he had been to where you are. I knew he had wanted to participate in the new birth. And just so I will know, here's the Apostle Paul. He's speaking to King Agrippa. Now, we're talking a powerful man. And here's the Apostle Paul. What's this? I was not disobedient to the vision from heaven. He means when he was struck down on the road by Jesus himself. He said, look, I'm in Acts 26. Watch.

First of those in Damascus, he's telling king, one of the kings of Rome. He's telling him that. First to those who are Damascus, then to those in Jerusalem and all Judea to the Gentiles. I preach they should repent, turn to God and prove their repentance by their deed. That's why the Jew sees me in the temple courts and tried to kill me. But I've had God's help to this very day, and so I stand here and testify to small and great alike. He said, I know I'm talking to the king. I need to be aware of this.

Now there's Apostle Paul with chains on both arms, and he's talking to a king. I'm saying nothing there, king, beyond what the prophets and Moses said would happen, that Christ would suffer and as the first to, rise from the dead would proclaim light to his own people to the Gentile so he makes sure he gets a gospel out. Now I want you all to watch something. And I did this for yesterday. This was the sum total of my notes. This was my lesson. This was my lesson yesterday. Yeah. That's how big. One, two, three, three lines. So watch. How long did you talk? Oh, 25 minutes. But I said, here's the apostle Paul in defense like Jay's going to Texas

or me going over here or me going over there he's standing before the king well the king on right on his right hand side was the governor of Judea so you got the king of Rome and then you've got you've got just under the emperor and you've got Festus who's a governor sitting there listening to the apostle Paul talking about people dying and being raised from the dead. Think about it. And they're sitting up there looking at him like,

what's their reaction? And then fast forwarded 2,000 years later, which is now. What's their reaction when they heard that Jesus died and was raised from the dead? At this point, Festus interrupted Paul's defense because he's defending himself on why he's there in chains.

Watch. You're out of your... mind, Paul. This is the governor talking. You're out of your mind. You're crazy. You're crazy. Watch.

He shouted. He shouted at him. Your great learning is driving you insane. Hey, that's an education point I was making right there. That's right. So I'm just simply making a poet. Two thousand years

ago when these guys took off with the same exact message we are proclaiming. they'll say you're out of your mind your great learning is driving you insane now watch paul's defense i'm not insane most excellent festus he's just as nice as he can be yeah now festus is hollering at him you nut now watch i'm not insane paul replied what i'm saying is true and reasonable he's talking about the resurrection of men from the ground. The king's familiar with all these things.

Now the Apostle Paul is getting to him a little bit because he's saying, it's not as if y'all don't know about Jesus. You've heard about him. You guys are saying, oh, real crazy. He said, hey, watch, the king's familiar with all these things, and I can speak freely to him.

I'm just a man, I'm telling you, you know who Jesus is. Let's get real here. Now watch. I'm convinced that none of this has escaped his notice because it was not done in a corner. King Agrippa, do you believe the prophets? I know you do. Now watch.

Agrippa said to Paul, do you think that in such a short time, going back to Jason speech in Texas, do you think in such a short time you can persuade me to be a Christian? You're trying to convert me, dude? And his governor's already told him, he's a nut. Now Grippa's saying, you think he fixed to convert us? Is that what you're trying to do? Of course, that's exactly what he's trying to do. Sure. Watch.

Paul replied, hey, you know, it didn't take long to get the gospel to you, but short time or long, I pray God that not only you, but all who are listening to me today may become what I am, except for these chains. He's chained talking to him, preaching the gospel. Now, in America, I don't want to get rude here,

but in America, Jace, you went to Texas and you preached the gospel, they're not knowing what you were fixing to do. And when I roam here or there and you under even this podcast, you reckon we're going to be able to escape the naysayers who say we're nuts, they're hollering about people being raised from the dead come on i mean yeah and this modern

i mean so why should we be surprised two thousand years later with the same message that they're claim we're insane out of it they've got it all together our culture is imploding yeah and they're hotter than us because we're saying why don't we try faith in jesus loving god and loving each other why don't we try that maybe give it a world and see what happens what's the downside to it. I mean, give me a break. I think it's absurd that we're putting our faith in a being that came back from the dead. And to me, that's more believable than putting my faith in, we're just on this ball floating through space that magically appeared. Nothing exploded. Yeah. We got it here. I mean, it just, and all of a sudden we have all this life on this planet

and, you know, billions of years and always go back to that chicken. I could tell people, you know, I said that in my speech this past weekend. I'm like, because these are teachers, some of them. I'm like, you're teaching this theory of evolution. And that's what you're giving your students in a public education system as how we got here, millions of years. And I was like, well, how do you answer the kids' question on? You're telling me millions of years and all this, the strongest will survive.

And we look up one day and you're staring at a chicken. He made it. Yeah. Watch. How is that possible? The message of the cross, which was my lesson, you say you gave him that axe text and then you went from there. Here's the Apostle Paul. The message of the cross, which is what we're standing on, is foolishness to those who are perishing. Well, there's Agrippa and there's Festus. Well, fast forward 2,000 years. You got all these people on the right and the left but most of them are on the left you say they're saying put your faith in

carl marks there is no god or who communism is the way to go or who there you go you know watch yes but food is they're all lumped into one basket if you can't come back from the dead i'm not you're out i'm not putting my faith and trust in it if you're going to die and stay dead well i don't i'm not i'm factoring that in your belief system I mean, that's what, that's the difference maker. That's why Paul, I mean, that's why we had that conversation. Sure. But I love what Dad is saying in the sense that he said that in a, in a, basically a public, you know, he was on trial.

It wasn't official trial, but they're trying to figure out whether, what are we going to do with this guy. And so that's probably what was so unusual is his audience that he was telling us to. And so that's kind of to your point. But Dad, it started with your generation. We're talking about 40 years now where the prevailing thought was, The only place you can talk about things like this is in a church building somewhere. That's right. So they've done a masterful job.

Even one has. Stay out of the public. Stay out of the public. Oh, that's what it's all about. So we're bucking the tree. In our culture, I believe, is the number one problem. That's why I said even at our church is crickets. People just want to keep things there.

But I'm always talking about going out. It's all out. In the world, I'm like, let's go out. But if people are looking at me like, what are you crazy? Our current president. When I met with him while he was running for office, I said to him the exact wordage that he said to Agrippa. Now, I didn't know whether Donald J. Trump was going to end up being the president, but I didn't care whether he was the president or whatever, the king or some guy just running for office and he gets beaten. I didn't care.

I just said he's a human being. So I told him the exact verdict on what the Apostle Paul said about Christ coming down. You took the fact that he listened as a positive. Sure. And I take the fact of what we've seen for the last three and a half years as it must have impacted. I mean, somebody's impacted. Unlike King Agrippa,

the Donald J. Trump did not say to me, Phil. You're out of your mind. You're insane, man. He didn't say that. He said, hmm, he just went, hmm. Yeah. I said, you have sin, right? He said, oh, yeah.

I said, you are going to a grave. a hole in the ground, right? He said, no doubt about it. I said, well, Jesus solved both those problems, died for your sins, raised it from the dead. And the good news was, unlike King Agrippa, the future president of the U.S. at the time he was running for office, he said, can I have that? Could I jot it down a piece of paper? I had it to it. And he told me later, he said, I still have that. Yeah. So you know it's impact. And look, whether whatever's happening in the man's heart, we don't know. This stock went way up in my mind.

I know this. And I mean, my political awareness started with Reagan. I was the first president I ever voted for when I was 18. And no president, including President Reagan, who I love, has done more for what we care about. You are correct. Than Donald J. Trump. You are correct. That's what I'm saying.

I mean, no matter what you think about the man. He's done more for religion in general than any president. Well, when you read it, it reminds me, Acts 413, you know, when they saw, they said, said Peter and John, who were, they were unschooled, ordinary men, because they had made that statement, salvation is found in no one other than Jesus. I think that's a nice way of saying, Jay, a bunch of redneck types. Unscrew, ordinary, you're like, what's he trying to say this? Well, it goes with what you were reading all about God.

They weren't the intelligence. God chose the foolish things, you know, of the world to shame the wise. but it's the same approach I made in our culture. If you're educated, and the more letters you have behind your name, the more we like, oh, this guy, you know, he's smart. Well, it seems like the smarter you are, the more difficulty it is to find a relationship with Jesus. Because you start thinking you're so much.

Same with money. More money you have, why you need Jesus. You're like, well, look, I have everything. Where's the wise man? Where's the scholar? This is 1 Corinthians 1st. Where's the philosopher of this age? Has not God made foolish the wisdom of the world?

That's what I mean. So when we take that back to John 1, when Jesus was calling his disciples, I mean, he ran upon a bank, which makes sense, and starts calling basically uneducated, unschooled guys to follow him. Because he knew, and we all know now, you have Jesus and you have the Holy Spirit of God, you're the smartest person on the planet,

no matter how much meaningless facts you know or how much education you have. A poor homeless man who has Jesus, he's far greater than all of the intelligentsia put together. I kind of miss you under the whole bunch. I mean, go to the resurrection. The smart ones will be headed north. Yep.

I made that point yesterday, I preached yesterday at our church and I made a point that, you know, the guy who preached last Sunday and then mine today, or it was yesterday, the points were simple. I mean, they were pretty easy to grasp. By the way, they really said your lesson was a great lesson. I thought it turned out good. The ones who came over to me, they said, can you speak like your son, Al? I said, I'll give her a word. Well, you know, that's asking a lot, Dad. But anyway, the point was, is just because something is simple, doesn't make. it easy. And see, this is where a lot of smart people miss it. Or makes it untrue. That's right. So, because I'm like, look, what I'm talking about is very difficult to do, to have life change, to, to let stuff go. I mean, these are hard things to do, but they're very simple in terms

of the, you know, the gospel's simple. I mean, but it's made simple because that's where people are. But smart people get it too. Look, I'm, I'm, I'm, Phil always said he's average intelligence. Oh, I'm below average intelligence. You know, I struggle in school. whole life. But when I formed a relationship with Jesus, all of a sudden I found myself speaking to people as one who had authority. You know, even like, I'm talking to all the leaders of that community about the public education system and what we need to be doing. You're like, and they gave me a standing ovation. Well, I could be an idiot and say, oh, well, that's, well, I'm smart. I've figured out like, or I could be honest and say, I'm not very, very.

smart but I know these principles will work in any society if you this is the way out there's no doubt about that plus I said what's the number one problem around here well I knew what the answer was going to be drugs I mean I'm like I know what can help get people off drugs this is a number one problem in most of our culture same principle you know their kids and school so guess what all of a sudden we're on the spiritual matters. Well, I know we, before we closed, I want to introduce this when Jesus was calling his first disciples in John 1, and I would love to know what people came up with, but I don't, I haven't been looking at social media in a few weeks, so I don't know what they came up.

I haven't been looking at it forever. Did y'all come up with something about Nathaniel, the interesting thing? I didn't. I mean. You never gave it or not. You didn't even take the challenge. I thought you were telling the audience. I didn't know you were talking to me.

I was talking to y'all. Y'all didn't come up with like this secret thing that I said. I don't know how I played that up. How did I play it up? See, it was so non-memorable. I don't remember what you said. All right. Here's.

Why don't you just tell us that? I said it's the deep water. So let's just read it. Look at John 1. Says the less than intelligent man. I usually stay in the shallows. So this is coming from a what far as acumen? This is a steep.

Yeah. This is A. You're in the middle. You're in the middle. C, see, this is. No, I'm going A. I'm going to excellent. Okay.

You got to be smart to understand what I'm fixed to share with. I just want to clarify that. We just weeded it out half the audience. He's a C plus man speaking as an A plus man. He's going in the A race. You're a C plus. I'm more of a D plus, but I'm going to the A region. Actually, mine was about a 2.25.

That's what they actually said. But you had to have a 2.2 to get into graduate school. So I was 2.25. I barely made the cut. I'm on the lower end of the acumen. I don't want to brag, but that was 3.6. So I'm just throwing that out there. I didn't do the numbers because I went in there and met with the counselor and said,

am I passing? And she went barely. I said, let me know. Look, let me know when that changes. And we never had another conversation. Well, sure,

or why with your dissertation. Give us an A plus. So this is 43 of John 1. The next day, Jesus decided to leave for Galilee. and already called some disciples earlier, you know, Peter and... Andrew.

Yeah, Andrew. All right. Philip, like Andrew, 44, you know, was from the town of Bess Seda. Philip found Nathaniel and told him, we have found the one. Moses wrote about the law and about the prophets also wrote.

Jesus of Nazareth, a son of Joseph. I love this, which goes to my hometown. We found the ones for centuries. This is Jesus. Jesus is coming. We've got him located.

Genesis to Malachi right here. We found him. Okay. He's the king. Nazareth, can anything good come from there? Nathaniel asks. Uh-oh. We have a naysayer.

Come and see, said Philip, when Jesus saw Nathaniel approaching, he said of him, here is a true Israelite in whom there is nothing false. some translations say there's no deceit in him there's no deceit so it was a good man he's an honest man all right see that went right over your head because my point is how would you know that because he had never met him right you know they have they meet well how would jesus know that there's no deceit in this person what would it take for you to know that fact you'd have to have been with him since he was formed in his mother's womb okay now we're getting somewhere that's why i said we're going to the deep water here well watch what happens on this

conversation so when jesus saw nathaniel approaching he asked him here's a true israeli in whom there's nothing false well he has the natural question well how do you know me have we mad i don't know you yeah yeah jesus answered well i saw you while you you were still under the fig tree before Philip called you. Now, for the guy reading this, you're like, what the heck are they talking about? You know, it's under a fig tree. Evidently, it was in a place where you knew you'd either be alone or you weren't.

Because when he heard that, well, Nathaniel declared, Rabbi, you are the son of God. So he must have been out in a ball over and field. And he's like, you weren't, you know, I don't think back then they had the bifocals, you know, from a distance. They did not. So you must be the king. And Jesus said, well, you believe because I told you, I saw you under the fig tree.

Now here's the next key little deep water moment. You shall see greater things than that, he then added. I tell you the truth. You shall see heaven open and the angels of God ascending and descending on the son of man. Now I want to stop right here and propose something. This phrase that he quotes here about seeing heaven open. and the angels of God ascending and descending on the Son of Man. That's only used one other time,

and it came from Genesis, I think, 28. You remember when Jacob was having to dream. Is that Genesis 28? Because I want to read it. I want to read that while I'm getting my presentation out here. So here's what I'm asserting as we're turning there, that not only did Jesus see him yeah that's Genesis 28 12 he also knew what he was thinking while he was under the fig tree and Nathaniel was thinking about this story because I want to read it he's like 2812 he had a dream in which he saw a stairway or a ladder resting on the earth with its top

reaching to heaven and the angels of God were ascending and descending on it. There above it stood the Lord and he said, I am the Lord, the God, your father. Now, I'll let you do the research, but here's what I'm asserting. I think Jesus was saying, and this principle that I'm coming up with is not just my principle. When I studied this, I read what theologians thought about it, and I want to add one other verse at the end of John chapter 2 in verse 24. it says Jesus would not entrust himself to them, for he knew all men.

And 25 says he did not need man's testimony about man. Here's the key phrase, for he knew what was in a man. That would make him God. So when he saw Nathaniel, and Nathaniel popped off, how would you like to have your first impression with Jesus as you pop off and say, well, he ain't the son of God because he's from Nazareth. I've been there. There's nothing good coming out of that.

That place is the, you know, it's the Malacoff of Texas. No, I'm not picking a Malacom. But that's what I'm saying. We tend to put cities in a box and we think, you know, we live close to Balkhamville here, you know. And it's not the richest community in the world, and it doesn't seem to produce the most educated people in the world. And I can say that because we're from south of Boccaville, which is worse. That's a suburb for us. Look, we're from Luna.

And if you're from Luna, that makes you a lunatic. Word 9, Redneck Central. Yeah. So my point is, look, and you do the research, but what I'm telling you is Jesus ran up on him and said, yeah, you want to pop off to me. I saw you under that tree, and I knew what you were thinking. But guess what?

The dream, the vision that you were having about that story, I'm that ladder. The angels were ascending and descending. This story that you read that happened thousands of years ago, well I'm the ladder they was going up and down that's why he said you're going to see greater things than now he said oh I'm in because he knew what was in a house any way you sliced it old jace has just proven that he's a lot smarter he looks yeah well he's like an airedale dog yeah he ain't near as dumb as he looks yeah that's exactly right somehow another I don't know what that means that's what somebody

told dad when no because I gave a speech one time in Arkansas and one long long individual walked up to the table where I had a few duck calls trying to make a dollar or two. I'd just given him a speech about spiritual things. And the guy walks up to the table and he said, I tell you what I got out of that speech. I said, what's that? He said, you ain't near as dumb as you look. He said, you like one of the Ardell dogs. I said, well, I appreciate that, brother. Well, look, when I read that and I read that phrase, I thought, why would Jesus use that phrase and then it hit me when he said in whom he started that conversation to get to that he's like in whom there's nothing false because and Nathaniel took that to me like well how do you know

how would you know that he was planning to see that I know what's in your head to buttress your argument jace it is pretty interesting that they originally said hey Nathaniel we found the one the prophets talked about that's right which is saying we won through who will give you eternal life resurrection from that we found him so jesus was just saying when nathaniel said you know what what good could come out of he was way out there like but that's what i think that's why he said when you were thinking of that story about the you'll see greater things than that he went back to being under that tree and he was you know that story with jacob's awesome because it's where you know that's where the presence of god

was and here's this ladder. Well, Jesus is the bridge. By the way, to earth and heaven. By our count, when Jesus is talking Nathaniel referring to the story in Genesis 28, we're talking 5,000 years right at it. Yeah. That's when that took place. Genesis 28. Now, I know there'll be a lot of people. They'll say, well, how are you getting out of that? You, because I did that in a thumbnail. But how I got to it was the studying and looking at that phrase, and where did that phrase come? Because I thought, what did Jesus mean by that phrase? And then when you put it all together with him convincing Nathaniel,

he's the son of God and kind of reading in between the lines of where that phrase came from, then you kind of get it. He basically read his mind. And in a place says he knew what was in a man. I've always viewed it differently than that. I agree that he read his mind. I always saw that passage as he was pointing to when he would leave the earth. it doesn't say what they saw

but I know this they saw him go up into the clouds and I've always just imagined that they got some glimpse and this is the last time they were going to see Jesus until they came back that there was something like that going on that's what I've always thought that's what he meant at the end of that text

I never tied it into the but that's a strong point but it's the same phrase when you go back and look at it and he was trying to figure out what does that mean and I really believe he was telling him I am the prophet they predict. I'm the ladder.

I'm the bridge. He does this a lot. I tell what Jace did with one fail stroke. Beyond our question, Paul to Timothy 1st, Timothy 3 by verse 16. Beyond all question, the mystery of godliness is great. By the way, it's mentioned here, the angels. He appeared in a body, was vindicated by the spirit, the resurrection, was seen by angels.

was preached among the nations, was believed on in the world, and was taken up in glory. So the whole story has just said, that's the mystery of godliness is great. Which at the beginning stages of it, Nathania was on the front end of it when it was just taken off.

We found him. You said, found who, the one Paul was talking to Timothy about, peering in a body, we're seeing right. I mean, that goes along with what I'm saying,

but I want to read one more. thing because it made me think of of putting a nail in the coffin of my argument. Look, after Jacob in 2816 of Genesis, listen to this phrase because you got to remember, Nathaniel, they had found Jesus. He was the son

of God. He is the son of God. But he wasn't aware of it. And so Jesus has this bizarre conversation with him. But just listen to the terminology and see if it seemed similar in 2816. When Jacob, Jacob awoke from his sleep after seeing this ladder and the angels descending.

He thought, surely the Lord is in this place and I was not aware of it. But it's exactly Nathaniel. He's sitting there talking to him, the son of God. But he wasn't aware of it. So I think Jesus picked out, because he does know what's in a man, he picked out the one time that Nathaniel was thinking about this, then used the same time. terminology about the angels. You see them on that ladder. Pretty wild. And then he was like, because that, you know, you kind of got to read between the lines, why all of a sudden

did Nathaniel go from me, nothing good coming out of Nazareth until, well, you must be the son of God. I'm going with you. He knew beyond a shadow of a doubt that what he was thinking. Yeah, what he knew, there's no way someone could know that. That's right. That's why I got off the deal. I mean, he could just passed over a mountain and saw him out there it was more than that that's why he started off of that phrase there's no deceit in this man he's like well how do you know me he's like oh i know you let me prove it to you he's like oh you know it you know me so this nazra thing comes up a lot throughout all the gospels because you know that these teachers of the law they knew that the messiah was going to come from bethlehem the city of david that was the promise well he did what they didn't know

is that he went there, he was born there. But then he grew up in Nazareth. That's where he's from. So it would be like, you and I were born in Rustin. Both of us. I heard it was just the side of the road. Y'all were going through their side of the road. Is that not true?

Yeah. Oh, it was? Yeah. Okay. Well, that's bizarre. No, you were born in the hospital. You were born in Lincoln. Yeah, I know, but they pulled over.

They lived in Rustin. Yeah. And then they moved. We moved to Junction City. That's right. Well, then we were coming back through Rustin. and that was the sign. Yeah, we actually weren't living in Rustin when I was born.

They were just passing through. Oh, I didn't know that. Yeah, that's what Kay told me, but I didn't know if that was. So anyway, my point is, and we were wrapping, is that we were, Jason and I were born in Rustin, but if you were to ask anybody, where are Jason now from? They would say, West Monroe. Because we grew up here, I mean, most of our years were, same with Jesus. Nobody knew.

So they kept saying, well, he can't be the Messiah. He's not even, he's from Nazareth. He's, you know, he's not from Bethleh. They didn't know. But technically he's from heaven. Well, that's right. And look, and if you're preaching this sermon Sunday, you probably need more days to, you know,

that we just gave you about Jesus knows what he's thinking. But what I'm saying is when I taught that class, because I taught that as a class, I got to the point of Jesus was who he said he was, or God was in this place and they didn't know. There's a lot of people that are sitting in church buildings. They're just like, you know, Nathaniel, pre-Jesus reading his mind.

They're like, nah. You see what I mean? I mean, God is here, and they don't even believe it. They're not even aware of it. So, Jay's not real. Anytime you want to get in the deep water, we're always grateful. Let me know what you think. If you got a question or comment, email Al.

Yeah, by the way, for the many, many of you that have emailed me since I gave you my email last week, I'm trying to get around. There's a lot of you out there. There's only one of me. What did you think, Al? I mean, I was like, hey, here's my email. Well, because I was only talking about routing people if they want to get baptized through our church. But you guys have taken that a step further.

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