Unashamed with the Robertson Family - Ep 553 | Phyllis Feeds Phil Kale, Phil Trolls Jase, Banned Meat & God Is Not Safe

Episode Date: September 25, 2022

Phyllis shows off her cooking skills and introduces Jase and Phil to a new kind of cabbage. Phil did extremely well on a teal hunt while Jase was out of town, and he can't wait to rub it in Jase's face! Zach talks about the idea that God is not safe, but he IS good. Phil expresses how grateful he is to God for being allowed to see so many generations in his family. Jase discusses the purpose and classification of the miraculous, and Al questions the purpose of banning food that God said was clean.  Watch the Unashamed overtime show, only on BlazeTV: https://BlazeTV.com/Unashamed - Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

I am unashamed. What about you? So welcome back to Unashame. I'm still at the Bible Museum recording today. And you never know who you might run into. We're just wandering around the halls of a Bible Museum. But I found our little baby sister, Phyllis, here in Washington, D.C. You just never know. That's a good time when you're bumping into people in the Bible Museum family. That's right. So I invited her on the podcast, back on Welcome, Philis. us. Hello.

Glad to have you back. Yeah. So, Dad, you're still alone. What are you doing down there? You're just reading the Bible and having a seed. Well, we are admonished to obey the scriptures. All scriptures God breathe, it's useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting, and training in righteousness so that the man of God may be thoroughly equipped for every good work.

So you have that. and then you check in the book of Acts, and I have proof. Uh-oh, Phil, brought a pro. We have. Oh. Okay, we got props. They've struck. We're filling Bible text.

A lot of you are missing this, but you need to get going. It was noon the following day where these scriptures came from. They were approaching the city. Peter went up on the roof to pray. He became hungry. All of us do. and he wanted something to eat. Well, well, you know, while the meal was being prepared,

he fell into a trance, heaven open and something like a large sheet being let down to earth by its four corners. Here comes a giant movie screen, ladies and gentlemen. It contained all kinds of four-footed animals. That's one. Buffalo, horses, cattle, deer, as well as reptiles of the earth.

Oh, my goodness. And here come the birds, the birds of the air. We got orders from headquarters. A voice told him from heaven now. Get up, Peter, kill and eat. Peter tried to renege. God says, hey, hey, Peter said, oh, I can't do that. You know, I mean, in all love animals, you know, I'm for animal rights, so I can't do that.

God said, hey, don't you call anything impure that I've. made clean. Wack them and stack them. Order some headquarters. That's what I'm doing here. So who knew that Peter was the beginning of PETA? I never knew that, Dad. That's why I'm enlightening their fans to look and say, huh, I got to get out there and start killing something. This is stuff. All right. There's two points here. Kill and eat. Pretty simple. Wait a bit, Jay's. Before you made the point, dad has once again provided a first in podcast history. I'm sure.

I don't know this for sure, but he has brought dead ducks onto the set of a podcast. That was the first point that for you who are just listening, Phil held up most of the time. It looked like quite a few dead, bluing till that they had shot, I guess, this morning because they didn't look like rigor mortis had set in. And he wasn't clean.

He's bringing back. For our audience, now y'all look at this. We get it. They're back up. All you folks to turn on. I want you to remember something. These probably came out of either north,

the prairies on north or South Dakota, possibly the Canadian wetlands, the rolling plains up there. This is now called the autopsy. Yep. They migrated. They migrated. migrated all the way down, and we were here waiting for them.

And it is biblical to the core. He's happy for duck season. Well, for a duck man, all he needs is start killing ducks, and then you get happy, happy, happy. I'm showing Jace. I wanted to hurt Jason. You're rubbing it in. I get it.

This is personal. This has nothing to do with the podcast. This was you were in Nashville, and this is what we did while you were gone. He's owned him up again. Jace is running around in Rocky Top. Too much rock, too much top. But right here, we're shooting ducks while he's up trying to survive.

People are stealing trucks out of their yard and running off with them, you know, that's the last couple weeks. That's true. Phil's down in Nashville. I got it. It's a dangerous place. I got sick while I was here. I developed a cold. But the second point I was going to make is when Phil was reading.

that he was interjecting that from the Phil translation because half of that was scripture and half of it was Phil's conjecture in the middle. Just so when you read that and wonder where the PETA reference was for Peter, there was a few other paraphrases in there. James, to our audience, Jace is a little heartbroken because he didn't get into this action down there this morning. Tomorrow, Jace, we're moving from. where we were today, the dog, the dog bayou.

That's where we hunted. We're going to move north, Jace, to the island, the little lake with the island. We think that's where most of the teal are going to be. So you'll be here tomorrow. Be with us. Welcome aboard, son. Well, what you don't know is while y'all are hunting, Jay called me and said, we killed a few, but we think we would have killed a few more if we'd have moved to the lake.

What do you think? And I said, I think we should go. But he said it was difficult to get to. Yep. Let's give you. We'll make it. So Jay's described it. So you finally got into your, looks like you got into your vault.

Give us a, for those watching, give us a little about your background there. You got some interesting looking things behind you there. Yeah, the guy, the guy who owned this place before me, he was a treasure hunter, ironically. and he built a vault tucked away somewhere under the garage that's hard to enter. It literally has a vault door like a bank vault. And it's actually tornado proof. So Missy and the kids spent a night in here one night during storms. So I thought that was interesting.

What are the odds that the guy before me was a treasurer. treasure hunter and evidently had quite the spread. So this is where he he had all his treasures. I've looked around. I didn't find anything that he had left in the cracks. However, it was decorated by my lovely wife and son Cole. And Cole did all the, you know, the computer technology stuff. We were going to try this yesterday, but the actual Wi-Fi streamer crashed.

the company that provides it. So they're back up running again today. So Missy brought in a, this was Mia's donation, you know, because Mia is in biology. I think she's going to be a doctor or a surgeon. That's what she's in college for. So she donated her friend, the skeleton, to the calls. Does he have a name?

Is it skeletor? Well, maybe the unashamed nation can name him. Here's what's funny is that. that Missy has, like, different outfits for the skeleton. So she was going to put, like, I don't know what you call this stuff, like jewelry and a hat. And I said, well, you're doing that? And she said, well, y'all could talk about the queen.

You know, she just died. I was like, and my son said, because she's a big fan of the queen. And who was, you know, she was a believer. She was telling us all the history. I said, I think that's a little early, you know, for a skeleton. Yeah, it was too soon. I said, I don't think that's a good look, babe. And so they talked about her doing that.

So she went with the shirt that the people had sent in when I had the Holy Spirit moved and gave me the idea about Jesus, he's better because there's no skeleton in the grave or in his closet. Yeah. So we put that shirt on him. She didn't want me to be lonely here. See, she just left and I'm in a bunker. It's kind of lonely and eerie down here. So that's the story with the Mr. Bones. I'm not sure what this.

They told me that this contraption was something my son Reed made, and it cools the CPUs on the computer. So. Dad, do you need help cooling your CPUs? You know, I'm living in a period of time to where at least half of it. I'm sitting there saying, what? So then we have the American flag. We have a bow.

I could have shot several deer. I could hang them up this morning, but it's not deer season yet. But they're walking in my yard nonstop. And they don't seem So do you usually bow hunt for deer? No, but I probably will here because they're in, they're in my yard.

And I have neighbors, so this all happens to early. I'm going to be fair enough. Any guns. I just don't want to wake them up, I guess, with a gun blast. So,

I mean, this is, I got up and walked outside because I just wanted to see their reaction. And they just looked at me and just went right back to eating. So I think they were,

they thought I was part of the forest fail. Some guy researched it the other day, and I think he said it was 60 million buffalo here about the time Columbus ran the boat of ground and they started looking at the Americas. 60 million buffalo. They were all passing gas daily, but it had no damage to the planet that they know what. Well, that's quite a factoid. A little carbon alert from Phil. I'm just saying.

I'm just saying lots of gas is being passed and it wasn't burning up the planet. Well, Phil, if you look in my yard, they're doing more than just past. Now and saying, well, these cows are doing it. You know, the cows are passing gas. It's going to ruin it. I said, well, the buffalo's way more than the cattle. We had plenty of buffalo running. and no effect.

It was pristine, beautiful. When man got a hold of it, the worst thing you could ever do is take about half of it and put a bunch of mirrors up, or big spinning wheels, it's killing birds, and, I mean, it's just crazy.

Well, they're talking about, Phil, Vax bringing in all the wild animals and giving them a shot for the coronavirus. Yeah, yep. So I guess now we need to also do something about so they can have some kind of sewage system, but I'm not sure how you're going to convince them to go into a stall. But what was it, but why is it would you, because like there was a country that just outlawed,

I don't want to name it because I'm not sure which one it was, one of the Scandinavian countries outlawed ads for meat over this issue dad brought up. And I thought, well, that's correct. Shouldn't we be eating more of them? Like, we should be eating more. Like, if we're wanting to, like, have less, shouldn't we be eating more? them or does somehow that transfer to our gas? I'm not understanding the

less don't eat it and yet that's somehow going to make them provide less gas. I'm not making the linkage on the logic. I mean, does that make sense to y'all? I don't get it. Because if you don't eat them, people won't farm them. I guess that's what they're saying. They won't grow. So they're saying then they'll just

disappear. It'll reduce the breeding. I thought we just eat. But truthfully, like even in the U.S., like there's a good shot. I would say there's probably a 50-50 chance that this video will probably be throttled just because Phil showed the ducks. You remember the time, Phil, you cleaned the duck on Facebook. We got a Facebook video and you, what you say? I was accused of being a violent man when I was picking some of these ducks.

But if you're going to have like fried chicken, they taste a lot better when the feathers are off of them than trying to eat the feathers. Exactly. Somebody's got to take the feathers off of them. That's violence. That's that guy, what's his name? Head of Facebook, what's his, what they call him, Mark. Zuckerberg.

Zuckerberg. Yeah. Yeah, that's Deckerberg. He's not really a person. He's an Android. Let's take a break. So anyway, so we're back to, we got our four locations today. So this is kind of exciting.

We had a few bumps on the last podcast, but hopefully we'll land the plane. So Phyllis got to tour the Bible Museum yesterday. What did you think about it? So good. So much fun. It's really immersive. And it's really, there's a lot of technology. So it's new.

It's fun. It's not like a stuffy old, like museum. It's not boring. So I thought that was really cool. And one of the things that I thought, Dad, you might be interested to know is they had a whole section set up with a timer and it had calendars, different calendars from different time periods. I've wondered about that. And a timer that showed like how many years, how many months, how many days, hours, minutes, and seconds since the birth of Jesus. And then you could go up to a

machine, a kiosk type thing and type in your, put your name in and put your birth date in and it would spit out a bookmark for you. So I did one. for you and it says Phil Robertson was born 1,944 years, three months and as of today, 30 days after the birth of Jesus. So there's you a bookmark from the Museum of the Bible and it's got some type of, I think that might be Greek calendar on the back, but I got one, I got one for you. I got one for Ms. Kay. I know she loves to read.

but it talks about how, you know, what AD stands for, so it's educational. And it goes into one of your main points that you like to make when you're sharing the gospel is that we are counting time by Jesus all over the world. And so they had a whole display about that. And I thought that was pretty cool. We had a tour guy, and he was great. He made it more interesting. But we were going through there.

And he said that, and this is what was really cool. A lot of this stuff kind of builds your faith. And it strengthens the story of the Bible. It provides like historical evidence of the Bible being true and the story of Jesus being true. So for Christians and Jews or even seekers, it's really informational to come here. But the guy was saying that even like on a yearly basis, they're making new discoveries, archaeological discoveries that are supporting our faith, which is really cool. And they found about a year, well, it's been, it's just now open, but it's this banquet.

Hall that they found and you can tour it now, but they can show by science and carbon dating that it was built at about the year AD 20, and they can show that it was damaged by an earthquake and get this in the year AD 33. A big earthquake happened. 8.6 on the Richter scale is what they are able to prove. And if you look at that and you know and you believe the Bible, well, then you know that there was a big earthquake on the day of Christ's crucifixion. And there's this banquet hall on the Temple of the Mount area.

So that was pretty cool. And they have a whole replica of like the whole book of Isaiah that was found in old caves over in Israel, the Dead Sea Scrolls with prophecy in it. Just super cool stuff. It was really, really educational. It was interesting. It was modern. It's a really fun experience. We haven't even seen it all.

It could take, I guess it could probably take you a few days if you really wanted to see all of it. So that was fun that we got to. Yeah, that is pretty cool there. Yeah. To experience it. It was interesting, though, Dad, because you say all the time, how many years has it been since Jesus was here and they literally have a counter. I'm saying if you're living your life and time is predicated on one individual, I would at least investigate him to see why. I think, give me a break.

So we hadn't had Phyllis on the podcast a while. Phyllis and Tony have a grandbaby. Jason, Phyllis share that. Pretty close together, your first grandchildren, which is pretty awesome. How's that being awesome? Oh, my goodness. I love being a grandparent. And he's just a sink and adorable.

He's six months old now. And just an absolute miracle. I don't know if we've shared really much of, have we talked about any much of his story? No. To tell that, before he was born, they thought he had water on his. Yeah, they actually. said that part of his brain wasn't formed. It just wasn't there. And so we, you know, the kids were devastated. They called us. And then they found that he had water on his brain.

So he was dealing with that. And they were thinking they may have to deliver him early and do brain surgery. It was pretty much a bleak prediction. Very much. So they said he would at least be blind, if not severely developmentally disabled. And so long story short, he was he was They did one final scan. They were doing scans every week to monitor that fluid buildup. And they did his last scan on Friday, soft fluid. He was born on Monday. And then when the nurse practitioner came around to check on everybody after Juliet had the baby and just checking in, seeing how you're doing, everything going okay with the baby.

And we're like, okay, what about the scans? You know, how about his brain? And she said, well, what do you mean? Everything's fine. and we said, well, wait a minute, you said that, well, she didn't say several doctors and many, many, many technicians before her had said that he didn't have part of his brain. And he had fluid on his brain. And she said, there's absolutely nothing wrong with his brain. It's all there.

And he had no indication that there was any vision problems at all. And the one thing that they said was an issue. They said part of it was like a thin area of his brain because of the fluid that had been there. And when we met with Dr. Ben Carson, I actually talked about it with him and asked him about it. And he said, that's normal if there's been fluid on the brain and that will resolve itself. So he's had zero developmental disability issues. He's meeting all of his milestones. Perfectly healthy.

Super sweet disposition. Just a great baby. And Mo, by the way, we've been praying about it since the minute we heard it. Absolutely. We'll get praise to God on that one. God healed him. Absolutely. He's a miracle.

Which is a blessing. So I guess, Dad, we've talked about, you know, four of your five children are grandparents now, which makes you a great grandparent to the highest degree. So how does that make you feel? Well, it's a good feeling because so far I have zero aches and pains, and it's been very nice of God to let me observe the children and the grandchildren and the great, grandchildren. So it's quite quite the, quite the story just to watch how your family starts getting bigger and bigger and bigger and bigger. If you live along it up to see it,

which he's allowed to. So we're going to get to Mark in just a minute, but I want to ask one more questions since we had Phyllis' own dad. So it's been almost three years now since we found out about Phyllis, or actually she found us. And so she's been living next door to you, she and Tony for the last two years. So what, what, how's your, how's that been? I mean, I'm sure our audience is wondering, has that been for you to have your daughter that you didn't know you had living next door to you for the last two years? Well, if you say, if you look at it by saying for 45 years, I knew nothing of this.

And all of a sudden, she appears, I think it's been pretty cool. What do you think, Phyllis living right next to him? We come down and we all eat together. She puts these, what would you call it? She fixes meals that are not as fattening as other meals. She eats healthy-like. So that was a strange thing. That was a shock.

What's the word? What's the word? I'm really proud to be the one to say that I introduced Phil Robertson to kale. That's right. And he's had some vegetarian diet. dishes that he's enjoyed that he and miss k have loved and uh he he we eat meat but we have we eat a lot of plant-based meals a lot of lot less processed food uh we've been very intentional about that and doing a really good job and uh so yeah so he likes this uh kale salad that we make that has

um pumpkin seeds and other seeds and greens in it and vegetables and yeah we make it pretty often and other other dishes yeah because we were cooking for him after miss k heard her hand we started and we're right next door so we were bringing some meals and down. So I, you know, we've helped bring some meals. I've done some nursing wound care. It's kind of been my role lately. The first, the first phase of that, Al, was when Phyllis would have something she brought down and she's cooking it, I would look over in there. So for about six months, I'm like, what is that? You know, I'm looking in the pot that I can't identify what it is. And she would explain to me. And I thought, well, let's give her a world and see what happens.

Well, I think with mom's current rate of injuries, it was great to have a sister we found that happened to specialize in wound care as a nurse. So I think God provided a great thing. So from my perspective, it's been great having Tony and Phyllis and their family in our lives. So I know a lot of you have been interested about that. I get notes every once in a while asking about Phyllis. And so life is good, right? Life is good. And I just started, so a life update too, is that I'm now.

and a master's program at Liberty University online. So I'm taking a career path change to be a licensed professional counselor. Oh, wow. So Liberty has a great program. I feel like I have more offered that would compliment the nursing in as far as people's health and wellness. And so I'm excited. It's a great program. And I'm learning a lot.

So pray for me, y'all that are listening and watching because it's a lot. I'm working full time. You know, we've got a grandbaby go see. I'm writing these papers and doing all this research. And so it's how she was studying yesterday, taking a test here. Yeah. Let's take a break. Go ahead, Judge.

I'm trying to find what this kale is and I can't. It's okay. I'm not getting anything. I got a Greek word. It's roughage. It's a super food. It's a food. K-A-L-L.

I had a miss. K-A-L-E, yeah. Well, we made a Greek salad. What it is. It's a leafy vegetable. We, and it's pretty versatile. Oh, I see. We made a Greek salad once, and he said,

I've never had that many flavors, different flavors at one time. So that's, you know, these are all new flavors we're introducing him to. It says it's a leaf cabbage. Yeah. Well, they just figured out a way to rename cabbage cabbage seem like to me.

I like cabbage. Have you ever had it, Chase? Have you ever had kale? I'm sure I have. I just didn't know it was called kale. I ate cabbage. It doesn't really look like cabbage, like what you're thinking probably. It looks like what those deer were eating today that were throwing all around my house.

So I got a bunch of kale here, I think. You can make kale chips. You can put it in soups. You can put it on salads. It's great. Okay, I got it. Very good for you. No, you were saying that, you know, about your grandbaby.

And I do remember that conversation because, you know, we, when we looked at the ultrasound with Mia, we knew there was a problem. And so it caused three or four months of anxiety. And that's what was so disturbing. I mean, when, you know, when the baby was born, I remember having that conversation with your kids. And they were like, no, they were just, they were just like, no, he's perfectly fine. fine. It's like, well, what happened to all this, you know, about the brain? I mean, it just

seemed so surreal. And I wrote it, wrote it off as I answered prayer and moved on. That's exactly what it was. And Missy was great. She just, she could like empathize with us, I think, through what we were going through at the time. And she offered right away to host Julie's Baby Shower, the one that we had for her down in Louisiana, which was great, invited family, which was really special. And it was really good. She was just a great support person during that time because she really understood what we were going through.

Oh, that's the most stressful time of my entire life was those three or four months before Neil was born because they were like, she has a problem. We just don't know what degree it is. And so, I mean, it was just, it was tough. Of course, now, last night we had her 19th birthday celebration. and she's doing so good. We're so proud. I just thought, you know, what a journey to go through.

And now, because Missy said when she went to her college, they didn't walk 10 feet without someone said, oh, hey, Mia. And Missy was like, how do you know all these people? Mia kept saying, well, those are just my friends that I met. But as it went on, Missy said it was quite evident that Mia had pretty well met most. everyone there at the university because they all know who she was. I was pretty proud of her. And tonight they're having worship out here at the farm, so a lot of her friends.

So I think that'll be good. But you know, Jay's on the last podcast, we talked about suffering. We had Gary Wither all on. And we were talking about what that produces. You know, you see that from a biblical perspective. But even what y'all are describing this morning, And I mean, that's in its form of suffering is the fear and worry, especially about your kids and your grandkids.

And I even thought about it, Zach, with Jill, she had trouble in pregnancy, right? I mean, she had like these health issues. It wasn't necessarily your kids. It was her. And, you know, she just bore the stress of that as, you know, caring a child. And I just remember how hard that was. I remember all the time we spent in prayer and, you know, just hoping nothing happened to her. But all those things typically bring about.

great spiritual growth, no matter what happens, you know, like in Mia's case, she had what, you know, we knew she had inside. In Teddy's case, he didn't, you know, but either way, it's the stress of it and the stressor brings out faith and strength and prayer and all those things. Because you don't start praying about something typically until there's some worry about it. Now, it puts you in a posture where you realize you have no control. And so, yeah, you know, I was thinking with Jill's situation, she had congestive heart failure with Layla and a lot of other things. She almost died. That was pretty scary for me.

And so, yeah, all you can do is pray because there's not really anything you can do about it or, you know, what you guys have both went through. You know, Mia's situation has been, well, what a journey that's been. Even my sister, their daughter, when she was born, they, she didn't have a ponds, which is a key part of the brain you have to have to, you know, kind of function. And so they told them that she would be just a complete vegetable. And if you met Peyton now, you would not even know that she had anything cognitively. There's nothing wrong with her. She has mild things happening.

But I mean, it's just, it's amazing to see what God's done. But some people don't get quite that answer. But I think what it does is it just pushes you in a posture of like we really have a lot less control than we think we do. And it's moments like that that kind of bring that to reality. And remind us that we have a good. God who is in control. Absolutely.

Yeah. Great follow up. And I think it's a, I always call it a question of faithful prayer versus fearful prayer. It doesn't mean we're not fearing, but in our fear, we have faith that God's going to see us through. And so I tend to pray for myself personally that I will have the faith to be able to deal with whatever the results are.

I mean, obviously I'm going to pray for the least path of resistance. I'm like, Paul, you know, hey, take this away, take this thorn away. But in faithful. prayer. I'm saying, look, Lord, you know best. And so if this is my season to deal with cancer, to deal with this, to deal with that, to deal with whatever, then I just want to be up to the task. I want to be ready to faithfully take on whatever it is that you feel like I need to be doing. If that's suffering, then let's do it. If it's blessing of healing, hey, that's great too. I mean, obviously that's so I feel like that's the way I try to approach it.

It's Philippians 4-6 is a scripture that we prayed a lot. during that time. Do not be anxious about anything, but in everything by prayer and supplication with Thanksgiving, let your request be made known to God. Yeah. We held on to that word in that situation. Yeah, I love it.

Well, I mean, in the first two chapters of Mark, it's pretty evident that Jesus had the power to heal diseases and cast out demons. And so in the big picture, I mean, you know, we do a lot of work with special needs, kids. and, you know, if you hang around Tim Tebow for long, I mean, he's given his whole life to doing that. And you realize that, you know, there's something, there's some way God is working in those kids that just brings you joy because they seem they're just not upset. Everyone is upset around them, but the kids themselves who you would think would just be miserable, there's some kind of joy and light that emanate.

from them that's hard to explain. And my point is that when you say, well, you know, God is the answer, he is the answer in all these situations because he definitely has the power to make these things right. And he definitely is not temporary or perishable. So all these things that we have to deal with in the 211Eye, he will correct to whatever degree he sees fit. I mean, you know that these are not.

not problems that are long term when you're dealing with a God who has the capacity to control the atoms and the molecules and our bodies. And it's just a temporary thing. That's why I have this skeleton here to remind me that without God, you basically all end up here. Which is not good. Without the cool T-shirt. Let's take a break. So, Jay, you probably have an interesting thought.

from Mark 1 and 2 to kind of pivot us into our March study. Because I've always thought, you know, we've talked a lot on the podcast in the past about the purpose of miracles, especially performed by Jesus. And, you know, it's not a question of the healing itself. It's a question of authority, you know, establishing authority of who he is in that moment. I think that's why he starts out with the demon possession, you know, cast out the demon and then later there's healings. And it was really about establishing that he was who he said he was,

which is way more important than someone being healed. And I know if you're that someone, that doesn't seem like a reality, but it's really true. But I think that's somehow how we get the miracle in front of the man. I mean, is that fair to say? Well, I mean,

I studied this half the night last night because I just couldn't sleep. I was just, you know, when you get into a new book, I mean, us who are doing the podcast, it tends to, you just tend to immerse yourself into it. And here's my take on it, because it goes to what you just said, Al, and y'all can disagree or give points of reference. Because when you think about each gospel, Matthew, Martin, Luke, and John, they seem to center in on something a little different. I mean, if you took John, I mean, he starts off as like Jesus is the, you know, is the word. And he kind of looks at the big picture of the word becoming flesh.

I mean, he was with God in the beginning and goes from there. And you had Matthew Seaman to zero in on him being the king and this connection to his heritage coming out of, you know, the Jewish heritage. and now he's, you know, king of all. And you have Luke that seems to zero in on the son of man. The human side of him tells his birth. And well, here, you know, the first verse, it's like the beginning of the gospel about Jesus Christ, the son of God. And then he tends to zero in on that aspect that this is the son of God. He mentions it, you know, again, in his baptism.

there. He seems to be, and he's, he's, he's not giving you all the little details about his humanity. It, it just seems to immediately go to his authority and who he is. And not so much about what Jesus said, but what he did. Yep. His deeds. It's just like he, it's like an action film of Jesus. Here's what he did. And it leaves you no doubt that he's the son of God. Yeah, Jase, to prove your point, it's the same way with Matthew, It started in Matthew on why he was there, but after letting them see what he could do, in Matthew is chapter 16 before this comes up.

And Mark, it's eight chapters of the power of Jesus, my time has come. The kingdom of heaven is near. And the kingdom is mentioned in the Bible about and during the in the gospels themselves before you get to the rest of it the kingdoms mentioned one hundred and twenty four i think times but as soon as they get to chapter eight after seeing what jesus could do which was cast out demons i mean he ruled he then began to teach them that the son of man must suffer many things and be rejected by the elders chief priest

and teachers of the law and that he must be killed and after three days rise again Peter rebuked him for saying it took him aside and the Bible says this is Mark chapter 8 the Bible says that Jesus turned and looked at his disciples and he rebuked Peter so he won the day when he said I'm fixing the die be buried and raised from the dead They're all looking around like, what in the world did he just say? So that's what Mark went. He gave you eight chapters to show you how he could say that. And they still had a hard time believing it all the way to the cross, Jason.

Well, flash forward in our current culture, they have a hard time finding it too. They have a hard time seeing it. But it's there. Worldwide. I love that you mentioned that. Matthew 16, I was thinking the same, I was on the same track, Phil, before you said that. And as you read Matthew 16, there's that moment. There's like the kind of the crescendo moment of the whole gospel of Matthew that you mentioned happens in eight chapters in the mark.

And he says it's that moment when they're all sitting around and they just got through the storm, right? where Jesus is walking on water and all that business. He just called Peter the devil. And he says, Peter, who do you say I am? And that's like the moment in the, if you're watching a movie, this is the moment. That's it. You know, all hell's about to break loose, right? That's it.

He said, I say you're the Christ. And then Jesus says the gates of Hades will not prevail against the kingdom. I'm paraphrasing there. But in other words, if you think about a gate, a gate is as defensive. So what he's saying there, that the kingdom is actually going to move forward. The kingdom is going to be on the offense

and is going to plow through the gates of hell. And I think about what you just said there, because if you get your image of this, this is that like in Tombstone, there's a line where Doc Holliday says, the last charge of Wyatt Earp and his beloved immortals right before he goes on a war path of vengeance. and retribution.

So you can imagine that the disciples, when they're hearing Jesus say this, they're probably getting pretty stoked up and fired up thinking it's a, it's time to roll. And then the end of Matthew 16, which is what I'm preaching on Sunday, by the way, is he says something that would probably completely deflated them. He says what?

He says, if you want to be my disciple, you got to take up your cross and follow me. And that's why the kingdom, this is the upside down. that we live in. The kingdom they thought was coming with an earthly power, but the kingdom of God came with something that was completely paradoxical to the human mind, revolutionary and changing, but like this is a kingdom where the king is about to die, but he is going to be raised again in power.

So I think that's, that's, that's the dichotomy that we're dealing with. That's why, that's why it's hard for people in Western culture to get it, because it's, it's not, we have, we have an obsession with power. We can't fathom a power that comes from being last in line. We can't even, we don't have room for that in our souls for that. But that's what Jesus brought. For three years. Hang on, Dan. Hang on, Dad. Hang on. Let's take a break.

For three years, it's near. The kingdom is near. The kingdom is near. The kingdom is near. Then all of a sudden, in the middle of all that, I'm fixed to go die, be buried, raised from the day of Jesus talking. My time has come. When you get to the book of Acts,

and there's 80. mile our winds to a hundred. It's like a big wind blowing people are speaking in languages they've never studied and everybody's looking like around like what in the world is going on here. Peter gets up and preaches because he had been given the keys to the gate of the kingdom. He said, Peter, that's Matthew 16. I'm giving you the keys to the gate of the kingdom of God. And it was the gospel of Jesus that unlocks the door to the kingdom. So once that happened, You never see again, not once, from Acts chapter two going to the rest of the Bible. You never see that again that it's near.

The reason you don't see that it's near is because in Acts chapter two, it came. So now our message is the same as the ones who were there to see the kingdom come. Our message is you don't need to repent because the kingdom is near. That was their message. Our message is you need to repent because the kingdom is here. That's the difference. Well, that's my whole point was, though, Mark didn't, he just immediately went into the beginning of the gospel. And he starts with John the Baptist as the forerunner.

Yep. of and the kingdom being near. I mean, and, you know, Jesus didn't do any miracles until after he was baptized and received the Holy Spirit. And that's where he starts. That's why I said he focused in on that he's the son of God. I mean, the other gospels we, you know, go through and see how Jesus, you know, became a man and we bred in Hebrews.

He was tempted in every way, just as we. are. And you see the, you know, the births in Matthew and Luke. And so I think if you wrap your head around that, you see why it immediately goes to his authority because here comes Jesus. I mean, you think about it, he turned the whole religious world on its head, but not that he was trying to really replace it. He was trying to infuse what he brought into what they had been doing.

He was connecting the dots. So they're like, where's this guy getting this authority? Because most people, you've got to remember as teachers, and we've all taught in class situations, you tend to quote other people to validate what you're saying. But Jesus, his most common phrase was rarely, rarely I say to you. Well, that upset the apple cart. They're like, well, who do you think you are? Who are you? And so I think he makes a point of that right off the bat.

And then when you get to driving, having the authority to drive out demons, and then the demons knowing who Jesus is, who is this guy? And then he's going to other people saying, y'all follow me, not to some other religious group. He's like, you follow me. I think that was Mark's intent to get us to wrap our head around that. So when you think about what he's portraying, yes, he's a human.

I mean, he has those moments, but he's also focusing in on the divine nature, his reception of the spirit and his ministry there. But it's also him being a revelation. He's bringing his own material, things that we've never even considered or contemplated. And it made me think of, you know, the only thing I can compare it to, in my opinion, I'd like to get y'all's thoughts on it. It's when John had his vision, his apocalyptic vision while he was in the spirit quotations or in the book of Revelation.

And he sees Jesus this image of who Jesus is like post-resurrection. But when you think about the qualities that he showed, I think it's like seven or eight. When he says, I saw this is. Revelation 1, was that 22? It says, when I turned and I saw seven golden lampstands, which represents the church, you know, and among the lampstance was someone like a son of man. Well, we know it's talking about Jesus, dressed in a robe reaching down to his feet and with a golden sash around his chest, which, you know, represents him being mediator and priests, because that's what the priests were. but it wasn't like these priests and Pharisees and that type. It was as that he was the bridge to God.

His head and hair were white like wool as white as snow, which we know who Jesus is as all his words were so wise from what he's saying because the picture you're getting. And his eyes were like blazing fire. And Jesus always had that ability to look through every situation. and know everything about you and what's going on. And then he's like his, the sound of,

his voice was like the sound of rushing waters, which in their case, you just think about in these situations, the things that you're saying, it was causing chaos every time he said something, because it was so powerful. In his right hand, he held seven stars,

you know, much later in Revelation, it explains that they're the angels that represented the God, but which I think gets into this the reason the demons knew Jesus. I mean, he's the creator of the spiritual world, angels and in that world. And then he says his face was like the sun. Well, I skipped one and held and out of his mouth came a sharp double-edged sword, which you think about his message of repentance, the things Jesus would say.

and do would change not only the world, but change each individual life. You know, he was the teacher of the world, not just a teacher. And then his face was like the sun shining in all its brilliance, which I just thought about the light and warmth that you get from the sun, but it's such power. And so I said all that to say, when you go back and when he records the Holy Spirit descending on Jesus like a dove. You think about the power that he had them,

but also in the form of a dove, which, what do you think, is a gentle power. And so back to Revelation, you know, when John saw that, when he saw him, he fell at his feet as though dead, because that's what we would do. I mean, Jesus' power is beyond really our ability to comprehend. But then you see this dove side of Jesus, because he placed his right hand on me and said,

don't be afraid. I am the first and the last. I am the living one. I was dead, and behold, I am alive forever and ever. I hold the keys of death and Hades to go to y'all's point,

Zach, about the Matthew 16. Yeah. And so that was kind of a long dissertation, but I'm just saying he seems to zero in. I mean, look, Jesus is a man. He became a man. He humbled himself. He's gentle. He loves us, but don't ever doubt it. Jesus Christ is the most powerful being ever has walked.

It's the, it reminds me of the, I use this a lot. And C.S. Lewis is Narnia when he talks about Aslan. He's like, is he safe? And he's like, no, he's a lion, but he's good. And I think that's how we approach Jesus. But when you mentioned the son of man, listen to this, because that's a reference to Daniel 7. It is, it is a reference to Jesus, which is also. by the way, in Matthew 16. So I love that Matthew 16 keeps getting brought up. And to Phil's point, earlier, if you think, where does Phil seem like that he came out of left hill of what he said, but it's not out of left yield. It's right on the money because we're talking about the kingdom here, the coming of the kingdom. Listen to this in Daniel 7, verse 13. He says, I kept looking in the night visions and behold with the clouds of heaven,

one like a son of man was coming. He came up to the ancient of days, who's God the Father, by the way. Jesus is the Son of Man, God the Son. And he was presented before him. And to him, who, the son of man, was given dominion, glory, and, listen, a kingdom. He was given a kingdom that all the people's, nations and men of every language might serve him. His dominion is an everlasting dominion, which will not pass away. and his kingdom is one which will not be destroyed.

So this reference to the son. Hang on, hang on, Zach. Hold that thought and let's flesh that out. We're out of time. But if you want to follow us over to overtime, blazediv.com slash unashamed. We're going to unpack that Daniel 7 because that's pretty rich into our discussion. So we see you in overtime. Thanks for listening to the Unashamed podcast. Help us out by rating us on iTunes.

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