Unashamed with the Robertson Family - Ep 556 | When Jase Caught Some Shrapnel, Catching Si by the Ear & Being Raised by Teenagers

Episode Date: September 30, 2022

Phil gives update on Miss Kay's hand injury, and Al hurts his own finger while making fun of his mom. Jase recalls breaking an arm and catching shrapnel in the back of the head, and Al recalls being raised by teenagers on a college campus. Jase tells of the time he actually bumped into someone who was the victim of Phil's fishhook mountain technique. Phil addresses the problem of identifying evil spirits as mental illness. Jase discusses the human effort to combat evil, and Al compares people resisting changes to a melting glacier. And Jase tells a hilarious story about catching Si's ear with a fishhook and watching his catlike reflexes! - Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

I am unashamed. What about you? So, Jay, I'm halfway through a two week, or a little over two week speaking tour. Lisa and I are, we've been all over. We've been like Johnny Cash. We've been everywhere. But, Dad, you'll be glad to know that the Almighty struck me because I made fun of mom. And you don't make fun of your mom. I figured this out now. So, you know, when she was swatting at a fly or something, and she hit her chest and she tore some tendons in her finger. You remember when that happened, Dan? Yep, a couple months back.

So I told her, I said, you're like that verse, but instead of inventing ways of doing evil, you invent ways of getting hurt, which, you know, I was just trying to be funny and be a smart, Ella. So I was in D.C. about to go up on stage at an event we were there at. And so I just put my hand down just to, you know, get my balance to turn around and go up the steps. And I had my finger apparently in a weird position because all of a sudden it's felt a sharp pain. And so now, I don't know if you can see it on the camera, but I have a finger that's just going the wrong direction. and so I'm so busy because I'm on the road. I hadn't really had a chance to get it looked at, but I think I've done exactly what I made fun of mom doing.

I think I tore a tendon in there, so now I had to get the thing looked at and worked on. But I learned a valuable lesson. Don't make fun of your mother. That's a bad call. I think it tends injuries occur, though, doing strange things because you're not purposely trying to injure yourself. I found out that it's,

quite the feat to tie a tendon back together. I mean, it was pretty, and I mean, it was a cast-type thing on her arm for a month. I mean, a hard-type cast, and I mean, it was a major ordeal when you snap a tendon in your finger, pal. I know, and so what I did, you'd be proud of me. I took some things you stir your coffee with, and I cut two of them the length of my finger. And then there was a security guard at the thing. I said, hey, I've got a first A box around here.

I said, I got a finger going sideways on me. He said, well, yeah, let me look. So he gave me a thing, a tape. So I taped that thing on my finger just because to keep it straight. But it didn't hurt that bad. I don't know if I got, you kind of gave us the high pain tolerance. So I don't know if that's the deal or what. but something's definitely not right in there.

Well, it feels notorious for making injuries worse, you know, with his famous, because every time we'd get a hook in our hand, you know, as a kid, your first thing you do is go to your mom and dad for comfort and direction. But once he made the mountain and cut the top of the mountain off,

which is something that I saw many times after that, done to other people. Because I learned in that moment as a child, if I have an ailment, I'll fix it myself. Because Phil doesn't use any deadening. He uses no medication. I mean, it's just a bad... Well, they come to me when I can clearly see that the hook has penetrated and it's and it's Lod's because a hook's got a little past the barb.

Yeah, it's the barb. But Phil, I'm just saying. So a good way to do to just lift that, take the whole top off. It'll be a little piece of meat, you're a meat. Phil, here's the problem. It's not a good way. Your logic is it gets the job done. And at eight years old, you sold me on it, and I went with it.

At over 50, that's a terrible idea. All you did was remove the hook by removing way more skin than you should have because now you need a skin graft. Well, I was watching television and someone knocked on the door and I walked to the door and two guys were standing there

and one of them held his hand up like that and said, somebody told me that you were real good at getting hooks out of people. I said, come on in. You've come to the right place. I know. And I was going to lift

lift his, I was going to lift it and take the top of the mountain off where the skin is like that. But on my way to lifting, it just popped out. I had it just right and it popped out. And I said, well, you're good to go. I sliced it a little. That disappointed you really, tell the truth. I thought it was over quick. I said, that old boy was lucky.

He told me later he sent me a note because I never had seen a dude my life. he sent me a note saying that's the that thing healed up quicker and I didn't bother me on my fit they weren't a bass tournament yeah about three months ago I was in Dallas Texas and a guy was in the line you know VIP line it's coming in there by the hundreds and he said let me show you something and he showed me a big old scar on his hand and I said how'd you get that and he said your dad cut a hook out of my hand there's a go visit I mean Phil it looked terrible coming to me I started to up a clinic, but I thought, well, I don't know. My method was a little bit, my method was a little bit callous. Scard people all across America now. You come in to me, you know, there's a hook buried past the barb. The first thing you're going to see is pliers. Yeah, and a knife under, under the, sharp knife and pliers, behind your back or under the chair that's going to come out. Yeah, oh yeah, I've learned there's way more less barbaric, painful methods out there. That's why I was always fascinating, like, because, you know, we're in Mark, and Jesus, you know, he's healing diseases and he's casting out demons.

But he started off as a preacher of righteousness about the kingdom. And I think that's an important point that he declared the kingdom. is here he talked about the kingdom and he did miracles to confirm that but he got to preach it but my point is i thought you know there's a lot of people doing these in quotation modern day miracles and i just thought man that'd be funny if feel you know went out and preached jesus and tried to heal people because all his tactics are just painful and excruciating with zero concern for how the patient feels less than 1,001, one second. I said, this is going to hurt a little.

Then that's, it's done. Yeah, but Phil, it hurts a lot. Yeah. And it looks terrible. I mean, it's like one of the worst scars I've ever seen. I can do anything, I'd take anything for a second. It takes a little time for that to heal. Well, it's not going to heal.

Phil, they need a skin graft at that point. You know what I mean? Well, one of the guys came back to me. later and he said when I went to the doctor to see and told him what happened he said who did that and he told the guy well it's old robinson told me he said don't let him do that again yeah let him agree with that get a second opinion so they blackballed the medical community did well your family blackballed you because that's what I'm saying I never went to you with another ailment because I was like you were I eliminated you

you as a possibility. Well, that never really was big on the Hippocratic Oath. Well, you don't pull it out, you know, either. You just don't reach and grab it and pull it out. No. No, I saw side do that when he got, I, I was hung and I snatched it and the hook buried in his ear. But he thought something bit him. Instant earring.

Instant earring. So he grabbed it like out of panic and ripped half his ear off. Oh, my God. And his white t-shirt turned red right before my eyes. I was worried that he was going to bleed to death. That's not for the work, but that's, I'm better than that. Cut it down. He just said snatch it out.

It brings out too much meat. Well, that's that funny. I don't know. We've always taken a certain bit of satisfaction and seeing other people's pain. That's right. You know, as long as it's nothing life-threatening, it was just kind of a rough way to live, you know, really. Yeah, one of them, we were catching a lot of bass. He snatched the bait come out of the fish's mouth and came to the boat and got him right here.

Top of the hand. He was saying, I have to go to the doctor. I said, with these baths hitting like this, I said, are you crazy? I'll fix that. I mean, it was brutal, but it was quick. He's the one that the doctor said, don't let him work on. Dad said black law by the medical. Well, no, I know.

Well, when I broke my arm, you know, Al and them clowning around. and so a couple days goes by that mind you both bones I was out of town you were out of town both bones are broken and protruding under the skin in my arm

and so I always thought it was weird that when I make it to the hospital because when you saw it you said your arms broke y'all didn't get him to the hospital it was trying to fuse back so after they had to re-break my arm and fix it what's funny is they started asking me questions

as if I was in a child abuse situation that grown guardians would allow a break that severe. I was surprised that they didn't take it to the dog abuse system. Yeah. They showed it to me and I said, take it to the hospital.

He's got a broken arm. They all like, whoa, what? I said, no, it's not. Mom said it was sprained. Yeah. And you said, I see your body. own sticking out. Then I was like,

oh, then it started hurting again, you know. Well, you kind of were an abuse situation because your brother

broke your arm and then your mother and grandmother wouldn't quit watching Dallas to take you to the hospital. So it kind of was abusive because as a kid, so then they're looking at my history.

So about three months later, I wake up on the operating room after they're digging what we thought was a bullet out of my head because I've been shot in the head. but actually what had happened is a bullet or an aerosol can had exploded from the fire and the shrapnel hit me from quite the distance but then when i then they started asking me

you know who shot me and i was like no i don't think anybody shot me but but it was like i had to do an investigation every time i went up there because then they're looking back saying well the dude did have his arm broken you know and they didn't do anything about it. So it's not a big leap to go from just, you know, putting a bullet in somebody's head. But these were just random things. Random things. The more I talk, I'm just glad to be here.

Growing up, Robertson. I don't know how I made it. I say it all the time. I was just speaking to an audience and I was telling the story and I got a picture of dad and me when I was a year old. I said, I was raised. by a 17-year-old mom and a 19-year-old dad on a college campus. So I was raised by teenagers who were surrounded by other teenagers. It's a miracle that I'm alive.

I mean, that I made it through the process, but I did. Exactly. To tell the story. Let's take a break. All right. So I want to get into Mark, Jay's. In the last overtime, you brought up an interesting point about that Mark I. of 14 to 15 about this being a,

what was the way you put it, a momentous, a case? Like the word that's used there for time is like, this is a game changing. Yeah, one of them's like what, you know, you're thinking what time is it? And then there's another word that is like, there's a moment that is pivotal.

It changes circumstances. This is a moment in time to seize an opportunity. Well, that's the word, the Greek word, when he says, the time has been fulfilled, the time has come. And he says, the kingdom of God is near. Repent and believe the good news. Well, what is the good news? The good news is that Jesus, the son of God, God the son, is here.

It was a historical fact. That's why it says the beginning of the gospel about Jesus Christ, the son of God. What's also interesting now is that when he gets to driving out the demon, or maybe it's healing the man of leprosy in the end of chapter one, he refers himself as the son of man. Now I'm going to have to find that. It's somewhere in the first chapter I saw it. Or maybe it's, it could be in chapter two.

Let's see, where is that? Oh, yeah, that's in chapter two when he heals the paralytic, verse 10. Yeah, verse 10. Yeah, chapter 2, that you may know that the son of man has authority on earth to forgive sins. So you say, well, what's your point? Your point is, here's Jesus announcing that the time is here. He's talking about the kingdom. Well, we all know from the Old Testament.

specifically Daniel 2 and 7, chapter 2 and chapter 7, that a kingdom was coming that would be an eternal kingdom. It would never be destroyed. That's what Daniel said. And Daniel said you will see one like a son of man coming. Well, then Jesus in chapter 2 says, so you'll know that the son of man has authority. And he did two things, because you think,

well, what caused the controversy in chapter 2? And I know we'll get there, but just to give you a preview on who has arrived, he says, when you say, I'm going to forgive you of your sins, well, how could you prove that you had the power to do that? Because is that an invisible thing or a visible thing? It's totally invisible. It's invisible. So there's a lot of people that could claim they could forgive sins,

but you would never be able to prove that. if we know that it's through faith. And we have historical data here, but my point is, well, isn't they're calling this good news is a historical fact. But he said,

so you'll know that I can do the invisible. I'm going to do the visible. And so he did these things. And they said, well, you're blaspheming because you've got to realize that all these people that he's fixed to help

back under the old system of thinking, if there was something wrong with you, then that means God didn't favor you. So if you're sick, well, you're out of line with God. Or you get leprosy. Well, you're just uncleant. You're of the devil. Or if you're, you know, obviously if you have a demon, I mean, you've done something

wrong here. You have a fever. I mean, they were at Peter's house. So here it comes Jesus saying, no, I'm going to forgive you, and I'm going to heal you. Well, that threw everything in the chaos because they're like, they needed to make restitution. for that. Not you. Who do you think you are, God? Well, yeah, that's what he was announcing.

The king has come, and he represents God and man. Yeah, yeah, and when he's used to that son of man reference, I think it's important to note he's accomplishing two things by doing that. One, is he is declaring kind of like his humanity. Yeah. But in the same breath, these people, especially the Pharisees, They knew the reference to the son of man from Daniel, chapter 2 and 7. They knew exactly what he's talking about.

And so they're thinking, wait a second, this is what made him so angry. Part of the reason what made him so angry is that he is claiming divine authority. I know he's saying that I'm the son of man, but he's saying I am the guy that was prophesied about by the prophet Daniel in Daniel chapter 2, Daniel chapter 7, and other places. I think that's the thing that he's establishing here. is this authority. And so when you asked the question earlier, what's the good news? I think you said that the Son of God's here.

Another way that you could say that is, you know, God is with us now. Emmanuel, God's here. And not just that he's here. He's here and he's establishing his kingdom. That's why when you read about the preaching of the gospel, it's almost always paired with preaching of the gospel and the kingdom. In verse 14, it says,

John, after he had been taken into custody, Jesus came into Galilee, Jesus preaching the gospel of God, and what did he say? The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand, repent, and believe in the gospel. So there's a direct correlation between the preaching of the gospel and the coming of the kingdom, and you can't separate those two things when we go out and do what we're doing. I will add to what you guys have said. I'm with you all the way, but just remember, when John came, it took four verses for Mark to say,

and so John came, John the bat, baptizing in the desert region, preaching a baptism of repentance for the forgiveness of sins. They all came out to him, confessing their sins. They were baptized that twice three times, three times, in the first six verses. Get to verse eight, I baptize you with water, but He, Jesus, will baptize you with the Holy Spirit.

If you turn over to 1 John, Chapter 5, let's see, this is the one who came by water according to Mark and blood according to Mark. Jesus Christ, he did not come by water only, but by water and blood, and it is the spirit who testifies because the spirit's the truth. Well, there are the three that testify, the spirit which you will receive, he will baptize you with the spirit. You'll receive the spirit through him, the water, John the Baptist and his baptism, and then the blood that was shed on the cross. the spirit, the water, and the blood, and the three are in agreement. I'm just saying the book of Mark is where John pontificated on those steps.

Well, he was prepared. In other words, I wouldn't just run past that in a hurry because we repent and be baptized and God to give you the spirit. Well, you say, well, there, do you believe Jesus is Lord? blood, the spirit, the water. It's all in Mark chapter one there, Al. It's just a point. Well, but he also announced, and he went back 400 years to what Malachi, this quote

where it says, prepare a voice of one, John the Baptist was a voice of one called in the desert, prepare the way for the Lord. Well, he chose that on purpose. And so Mark is saying the beginning of the gospel. about the son of God. John the Baptist is quoting, prepare the way for the Lord. Well, you said, what does Lord mean? Here's the definition I looked up. Someone having power, authority, or influence, and who acts in a superior

and dominant manner. It's over 700 times in the New Testament. Jesus is referred to as the Lord. So my point is here has come a spectacular individual who is a man.

You look at him and say yeah, he's a man and he can do physical things but he's doing physical things in an invisible way because he's controlling items, he's controlling molecules and then when he runs up on the demon in verse 25, well, you see what they said?

They referred to Jesus, I know you are the Holy One of God. How did they know that? It seems like everybody in this first chapter has recognized that Jesus is like no other. Yeah. And they would have known from half. you know yeah yeah and and and to phil's point that reference out of john i think it was in john five when it says these three are testifying and the agreement to this yeah first john five like there's that moment that's what's happening here when jesus at jesus is baptism

you know that's what he's talking about the water the spirit they all testify the three testify what are they testifying they're testifying that this man that's that's in flesh and blood like a human being, right, that walks up into the water with John the Baptist. John baptizes him, and what is the father and the spirit and the water testified to, that this is my son whom I'm well pleased. This is a declaration of who this is. This is the moment where it's about to get Harry. You know, he's establishing his identity here.

That's why the time it comes. That's the son of God. Yeah, he's the time's coming. He gives you a little... Hang on, Dad. Hang on, Dad. Let's take a break. There are three that testify,

the Spirit, the Water, and the Blood, and the three are in agreement. We accept man's testimony, but God's testimony is greater because it is the testament of God, which he has given about his son. Anyone who believes in the Son of God has this testimony in his heart.

Anyone who does not believe, God has made him, has made him out to be a liar, because he has not believed the testimony God has given about his son. And this is the testimony. God has given us eternal life. And this life is in his son. He who has the son has lack. He who does not have the son of God does not have life. He just showing the importance, the person that's going to accomplish all that is on the scene and he has said the time has come. Well, you better believe that. Well, Dad, he literally testified.

He did it at his baptism when he said, this is my son, whom I love, you know, whom I'm pleased with. At the transfiguration, he said the same thing. He's telling him. And he said, listen to him. In other words, he's me there. One person on planet Earth that has ever been here.

He's the one person that will save our sorry hides. But he also said that John the Baptist would come in the spirit of Elijah, and then when he was at the Transfiguration, where's that, Matthew 17, then here's Elijah who just showed up. Yeah. Well, how many years had it been since he was last seen? Several thousand. At least a thousand.

Yeah, $1,500. Well, if you're going to bring a kingdom or a stab, a kingdom that's eternal, these are the kind of moments you're going to have to have to be a part of. Yeah. And you're having a conversation with two guys that were here about three or four thousand years before on a mountain. I think you're qualified. And Peter said, let's build them a little church building, which was interesting, you know. We better build something for these guys. was like, this can't get out, you know. That's so funny, Jesus, when the demons or whatever are saying, you're the son of God, he's like, be quiet. Shut up.

Well, yeah, which, look, by the way, Al, everybody else who's claiming to be getting these demons up, they all go through these ceremonies and you're, they have these, we've seen these horror movies, you know, the rituals and the words, and they have these conversation with the demon. Jesus has rolled in there and immediately, which immediately is mentioned like 40 times in the book of Mark, he just does it.

And that's the, you know, that's me. I quit debating people about them having the ability to do all those things, which is why I was making a big point that Jesus came to declare that the kingdom is at hand. You know, believe and repent the good news. And in the next chapter, he said, let's go down to another town where I can preach. He did these other things, you know, as miracle, signs, and wonders to validate what he was saying. So you fast forward a couple of thousand years. You got a lot of people want to argue about what they can do in the miraculous deal, but they have no message. His message is a,

kingdom that will last forever and God wants sons and daughters to spend eternity with him. and he proved it by getting us there through a cross and the resurrection. These other things were validating that. So, I mean, I'm just saying there is a difference. That's the, yeah, and that's the setup here in Matthew, I mean, Mark, you know, he's basically saying, I'm here, I'm here, I'm setting up the kingdom, and then he tells them, come follow me. what you mentioned in the last podcast, Mark was at 117, and come come follow me and do what I do. And ultimately, we-

He starts crushing Satan at every turn. He does, but think about the method at which he does that, and ultimately is through his own death. And so then he's like, this whole thing, follow me. You get to Mark 16, or Matthew 16, when he's like, the kingdom of gods advancing and the gates of Hades will overcome it. And then the next thing he says is, Peter, you're the devil.

And the next thing he says is, you know, you need to take up your cross and follow me. So I think what's in it for us now is that all other kingdoms that have ever existed on planet Earth have advanced their borders by conquering other kingdoms and consuming them into their borders. But every one of them has fallen at the hands of another kingdom or they've internally imploded. And then there's this kind of kingdom that Jesus is. And look, I've bought into that. I mean, I ran for office for crying out loud. And once I kind of got to see how the sausage was made, I was like, I don't think this is where I want to put my hope.

And not to say we shouldn't be involved with politics, but I think a lot of us have lifted up the kingdom of America or whatever your ideology is that we lifted that up as if that's going to sustain us, and it's just not. Like, what's going to sustain us is the kingdom right here that Jesus is setting up? And the way it expands is that it expands, is it expands by dying to self. The one thing everybody else is afraid of,

Jesus embraces it in this kingdom. He says, I want you to be like me. And then what he's about to unfold through the gospel is that when we follow in his footsteps and we take up our cross and follow him, we think that we're giving up something we're actually not. By dying to ourself, we are actually going to die to the things that are ruining us and we're going to be grafted into this incredible community, this incredible relationship that is Father, Son, and Holy Spirit.

To me, that's what he's setting up here. Yep, good, good points. Yeah, I thought about something when you said that, you know, LSU, I'm big LSU fan, you know, and they couldn't have looked any worse in week one. But we have a new regime. And one of the things the new coach said is that he was going to be demanding, but not demeaning.

I thought, that's a good way to look at it. Well, when they asked why they lost and how bad it was, they said, where, and whose fault it was? Game one. Yeah, game one.

Now look, game three the other night, all of a sudden, there you go. We're looking like, well, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha. So, but there was a statement made that reminded me of Jesus and what Zach just said.

But the coach said, we attacked the problems and not our personnel. And I thought, well, that's a good statement. Because when you think about what Jesus did, he came healing and cast out demons. He attacked the problems, but he loved people. Well, when you look at governments or religious leaders sometimes or Pharisee, what are they notorious for?

If you don't agree with them, oh, they attack you. They are not attacking the problem. They attack the person. We draw a line. And it's always a full frontal attack at every turn, whether you believe the argument or not. If they're not with us, they're against us. And I know that's biblical in a sense. But I think if you think about how Jesus operated, I mean, that's what he was here for.

He came to give his life for the sin, but he's always loved the sinner. That's why he could say love your enemies. That's what separates this from a government program. And trust me, there's no love in your enemies in politics. You want to do that? That's a good, sure way of you not getting elected. Yep. Just try.

Get up there and say, you know what, I love and you just name the people that are against. Just I love each and every one of them. I love you guys. You're not going to get voted. That's right. You're not going to get buddy. No, they'll never do it. Let's take another break.

No, because it's about power. And that's the difference. Jesus, obviously, being the creator of the universe, had the power to do whatever he wanted. He chose to live a pretty obscure life for 30 years. They don't even know anything about it. And then give his life so that we could have eternal life. But to me, that's the point here. He's showing power, but he's doing it in such a humbling way.

That it's like watering down what he did. just did. You know? Because they're like, well, you got them all whipped up. And he's like, well, don't sell anybody. And we need to go to the next town. You're like, what? It's the opposite of politics.

He's not making the most of everything that's happening to make himself more popular. He's just doing it in a humbling way. He's attacking all the problems of life. I mean, just think about these people, you know, when we finally get to the leper. I mean, there was no cure for that. And you just happened to be here on the time on earth that you run across the one person in the history of humanity who had the power to heal that in that day. And you got healed. And then he touched him. They came to Copernum, verse 21, chapter 1. When the Sabbath came, Jesus went to the synagogue, began to teach.

The people were amazed at his teaching because he taught them as one who had authority, not his teachers of the law. Just then, a man in their synagogue who was possessed by an evil spirit cried out. What do you want with us, Jesus of Nazareth? Have you come to destroy us? I know who you are, the Holy One of God. Be quiet, said Jesus sternly.

Come out of him. The evil spirit shook the man violently and came out of him with a shriek. Wee! You can't make all this stuff ever. when you read that and you're like, I'll tell you one thing. But Phil, they didn't like it. The people were all amazed, but then they're like, well, what is this?

This is some kind of new teaching with authority. Yeah. I mean, it just shows you if you try to come up with something new. I mean, I got a fun adventure for you. Just go to your local church and say, look, I got a new teaching I want to put on you all. Forget what the teaching is. Just say that. Let me tell you something.

You're fixed to see everyone there get really guarded and anxious. It's the equivalent of putting a bull rattlesnake in the middle of that meeting. Well, that could be a new teaching right there, Dad. I mean, Al told me one time, I told Al, look, five years ago, I said, I got an idea. I said, I think, you know, you're an elder, you know, push this through. You know, and I told him my idea. Well, five years later, they tried it. said, hey, we finally got to that.

Yeah. Yep. Things move slow. Welcome to change. Welcome to church changes. So when you all studied opinion, in your studied opinion, after reading the first miracle, it's in Mark chapter one, the evil spirit shook the man violently, came out with them. The people were all so amazed that they ask each other. What is this?

A new teaching, and with authority, he even gives orders. He even gives orders to evil spirits and they obey him. I have a question for y'all. Are there any more evil spirits that come into people? Or is it what the medical professions calls it mental illness? Is it mental illness or is it evil spirits? I've just asked the question, what do y'all think? I don't see anything in here about mental illness.

I'll just say, yeah. Well, it was a spiritual illness, you know. I mean. I mean, you're right, Dad. I don't know that I couldn't say that they wouldn't still be around. I do think when Jesus was here, there was some kind of, there was such an uproar not only in the physical world, but the spiritual world that you seem to see a lot more of them. You see it less once you get into the, you know, acts and the epistles. But so I think there was something just by him being here that had everything upside down.

But yeah, I mean, I think they're still around. Where would they go? I mean, Satan hadn't been, you know, until the Lord comes back. If you give yourself, if you give yourself to every kind of evil, I mean, what do you think is going to happen? I mean, I've met people. He just said who are mad at God and get into all kind of rituals and satanic. I mean, that's going on. And you look at them and you're like, okay.

there are people on planet earth in these united states of america and their god is by their own admission satan well what i'm telling you is they need worshippers they need jesus not necessarily a miracle because jesus is better than a miracle he has the power yeah to do miracles so my point is i'm going to preach jesus i mean it's kind of like to use where we're at john the baptist what was he instructed to do he was commissioned him to prepare the way of the Lord to make the path straight. Well, we go over that and say, we don't really give a lot of credence to what that means. But when you try to make a road straight, that's a problem. You got to fill in holes.

You got to cut tops of hills. You got to remove rocks. You got to build bridges. There's a lot of obstacles. to do that. And so he probably, you know, encountered them. But when I fast forward and read something like 1st Peter 315, which says, set apart Jesus Christ as Lord, there's one of the other 700 times it's mentioned.

If you're going to make Jesus your Lord, he says, always be prepared. Well, John the battle is prepared to weigh, and now is telling us to be prepared to give an answer to everyone who asks you to give the reason for the hope that you have. have, but do this with gentleness and respect. Well, you're going to run across the same obstacles that John the Baptist did when you give that answer to people. Nothing has changed. You've got every kind of obstacle in the world, including people who have given their lives to, you know, every kind of evil, imaginable. I only bring it up, Jace, because in Mark 139,

So Jesus traveled throughout Galilee, and he just gets it down to this. You say, what was he doing? Preaching in their synagogues and driving out demons. I mean, if that's what he, the other words, he says, here's what he did. He preached in the synagogues, and he drove out demons, and it was a full-time job, evidently, from reading the text. So I'm just saying, I don't think they left. I don't think they left.

I think they're here as real as they don't think they did. But there's definitely, there was such a, let's take our last break. There was such an upheaval because the demons are wondering why he's there. That's the one I asked him. It's like, why are you here? Because he knew who he was. And so I think they were just, that had it stirred up to the point where it was a full-time job, just casting them out.

I mean, it's what it seems to be to me. And it was definitely, as Jason mentioned this earlier, it was to establish authority. And so all of these early miracles, you keep seeing the thing come up about authority. Who is this guy? I mean, he's doing things. Because he wasn't. You know, you think about it. What do you do when you give a lesson?

What is the process that you, I think we need to talk about this, because the authority is the theme. But what do you do when you give a lesson? You go study what somebody else wrote. Yep. You do some research. And then you make it. your own, which what does that mean? It takes everything you've studied and you basically are given what you got from somebody else somewhere. Now, maybe on a rare occasion you might have

some thought looking at the sun that hits you from nowhere. Well, here's Jesus. He's like quoting himself. He's not saying, because when they're getting up speaking, it was just these quotes from other people and it was kind of chants and boring you know just reciting old passages well Jesus is ain't quoting anybody and he's doing things that only God could do and plus to your point I just underline I put this in yellow it's you know to I could know know it was there when when the when that the parent Paryolitic was healed, they praise God everyone. They praise God saying, we've never seen anything like this.

I think the point that Jesus made is I'm going to do some things that you wouldn't believe it if I told you. So, I mean, it's... So I'm going to show you. So I'm on to show you. Yeah, but the point, the main point was that it was a testament to who he was. saying that he was. It was validation. It was credibility.

I mean, I think the big controversy is does he still do that kind of stuff? That's the big argument. You know, one side is called cessationist, which is that all of these miracles ceased to exist after the dying of the ones that the apostles laid hands on. And then the now modern day charismatic movement, which would believe these things are actually happening. Well, it doesn't matter to me. I mean, look, because I just, I've told you all what I think about this.

They've got, they're using the word miracle in the wrong way. When you go into the bill and they say, are you ready for your miracle today? And then you walk out, think, well, did I ever see one? Because a miracle is something like this. There's something undenay. A guy has leprosy and Jesus touched him or in the process of it, which was against the law, by the way. He broke the law. You're right. That's a good point.

But you know why he didn't break the law? And that's why I think he healed him before he touched him, is because when he touched him, he had cured him. Well, he didn't have leprosy. I think it's kind of funny. You know what I mean? It's like, it's against the law to touch a leper. So on his way, and look, you know, and they had to be six feet away.

I wonder where we got that up. He touched one and the guy was healed. You had to do social. distancing for lepers, even though it wasn't contagious. Yeah. Which, I mean, I don't know why some kind of government program would come up with something like that, but that was what they came on with. If someone had leprosy, you had to stay six.

There's still faces their leprosy. Yeah. Well, there's still certain diseases that will come up that people will say you've got to be six feet away. Where did that come from? I don't know. I think it's fascinating. It is.

Like it makes you feel better about it. So he heals him and he touches it. Well, that's a miracle. Look, there's, or this, we're going to cast out a demon. And I don't mean you're watching it on Netflix. I'm talking about somebody is speaking in languages they've never studied. And they're like, their heart is coming out of their chest, literally. And then goes back in something that I've, like, no, wait a minute, that's not a trick.

This is, or like a detached arm. And then it goes back on. And then you touch him. And then all of a sudden, everything's made whole. I'm like, I'm, okay. You convince me that that's it. Is there another book ever written that contain the things we are discussing? No, but my point to Zach's point, I do believe in the supernatural,

which would be miraculous to what I can do, working of God. Just because I didn't see it happened, like I believe God forgave me for my sins. Well, that's a miracle because I can't really see. that, but I believe it happened, which would be miraculous to what I can sense and feel. So to me, you have no authority or power to absolve no authority whatsoever. I just believe that. So people say, well, you don't believe in miracles? And I'm like, of course I believe in miracles.

But I believe that Jesus is the one who does them. And so nothing that I can do, and I'm not even going to try to do it. If I give someone Jesus and he wants to do a miracle in their life, so bit. But what we're calling miracles in the churches, the groups you mention, are not miracles. They're just providential supernatural workings of God in human beings. A miracle is something that is undeniable against nature, where atoms and molecules are.

A Jew, an atheist, or a Christian would say, anybody saw it. And they say, no, wait a minute. the guy didn't have a head and now he has one it's a miracle you're right that was a miracle but if the guy if his wife says i'm going to take you back even though you slept with 14 women and whatever and then the preacher says it's a miracle nope that that was a great supernatural act of forgiveness by god and he repaired this thing but a miracle is something that happens in the physical realm that is impossible to happen outside of a being.

There is a song, all you need is a miracle. I mean, do y'all disagree with or not? I don't care if you disagree. Yeah, I mean, I don't think that's what some of the charismatic groups are claiming that they're experiencing like legitimate miracles. Well, you know what? I hate I missed it. Well, I haven't seen one.

yet is what I'm saying. Well, I think about the, even the demon possession. I mean, Phil has accidentally stumbled upon this a couple of times because you've told me the stories. And the girl and that was the, in the drug rehabilitation center. Yeah. In the rehab center. You know, there was that. There was another, there was a few more.

Well, Zach, I've seen things that are almost, yeah, like that were they guys, they say he had, I've seen this. A hundred times where they say, this guy. this guy will be dead in a week. I mean, the guy on the show of me doing the treasure hunt, they're like, yeah, we'll give you a couple months to live. Well, that's five years ago. And you said, what's a miracle? It was the supernatural work of God,

but a miracle has to be some detachment of an organ or something that is no doubt a miraculous happening. Okay. You start pontificating the language. You've never studied. Is that a miracle? Yeah, that's a miracle. That's a miracle.

Well, let me tell you this. Because I've been, if that's it happening, I would love to see it, right? I really would. Well, if it is me too, but look, what I'm saying is if somebody believes,

like that song says, all you need is a miracle, then, well, what's, that minimizes Jesus. All you need is Jesus. That's true.

If you're saying, I need Jesus and a miracle, I don't like that theology. Yeah, I don't like that either. I don't like it when the miracle becomes the focus over the miracle giver. And I think that is a huge problem in a lot of the charismatic churches. Well, you know what you need to tell them? You know what you need to tell?

Follow Jesus. Well, yeah. Yeah, that's the thing. But I don't want to be so closed off to the possibility of it because, I mean, I don't really, the argument for the cessationist argument biblically doesn't really really. resonate well with me. We're not closed off to that, Zach. I think if God wanted to do a miracle, I'm open to it, and I would love to see one.

But I just tell people, Jesus is better than any miracle. Because what problem do you need solved that he didn't solve? And we've made that point consistently on the podcast. All miracles have to point to Jesus and who he is. All right, we're out of time. If you want to follow us to overtime, we'll talk a little bit more. I want to give you the next line in that song to show you that the song doesn't know what it's talking about. We'll do that in the overtime.

And now, and let me add this. In the overtime segment, I am going to share with you an encounter that I had that I don't have an explanation for it. So I'll share with y'all the story. And then you guys tell me if it was a miracle. There's a difference in supernatural working. Wow. You wait until you hear this story. I'm telling you.

TV.com slash unashamed if you want to hear Zach's story. Come on. We need a button that says Miracle Meter and we'll hear the story and then I'll push it. I was like, yep, that's a miracle. Yep. Nope. That was the supernatural working of God in your life. I will see.

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