Unashamed with the Robertson Family - Ep 56 | Phil, Jase, and Al Compare Churches & Preaching Styles

Episode Date: February 23, 2020

Phil, Jase, and Al talk about different churches and preaching styles. Phil diagnoses the problem with modern American churches. And in a classic moment, Phil doesn't realize he's being recorded. -- Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

I am Unashamed What about you? Too much. Well, it's just a You need a little bit of everything. What I realize is You don't want to be a drag.

I thought when we were filming the show that we were like hemming it up. But what I've noticed is every time we get together, I keep saying the same thing. A Duck Dynasty episode is breaking out. But then I got it.

You know, the more I'm around it, I'm like, no, I just think this is, this is who these people are. That's what we do. Yes. Because I keep saying. You say, Jay, this is who these people are. Like he doesn't have more. It's your blood, Ken, Jay. Well, I'm just saying, like, gee, with the level of just insanity.

Well, it's like, Sa, he can't, say can only be sigh. You know what I'm saying? He is Uncle Sao and Duck, Duk, Duk. There is a venue for that. Yeah, but Sa has no filter. This is not yet. Look, I mean, I'm down there trying to talk in front of a thousand people the other day at church.

And just, here comes, Sae. I see him, he's walking like he's on a mission. He's charging. He's charging. I'm like, just sit out there. Be a crowd member. Be a churchgoer. Nope.

Nope. Hand me the microphone. And then here's what's funny. You asked Cy to speak? He's like, no, I don't do that. Unless he's inspired. Well, he's digging, he's digging me preaching for sure because like every week, you know, he comes and tracks me down and, you know, I'm up.

I know, and Jason's up this week. I'm up next week. I made sure, you know, we have one guy who's a shouter and he literally shouts. He scares people at our church. But I like having. I don't know what kind of Pentecostals there are. There's about 15 or 20, 40 versions of Pentecostals. I don't know where they fit in.

Well, my guy, I don't know. He just, where did he come from? Where did he? His name is lively, which is ironic. Yeah. Because he'll sit there and he'll build as you speak. And then all of a sudden it's just uncontrollable. It's usually Jesus at the highest decibel level possible.

The precoastus were like that, loud out bird. That's right. That's right. Our sound. Our guy in charge of the podcast is Pentecostal. Thumbs up. UPC. And then, of course, Cole is Pentecostal light because he goes a wheelie down to Christchurch.

They're not quite, they won't quite jump over all the pews, but they're, you know, they will get pretty rowdy. Yeah. So it's something. I don't mind rowdy. You know. I like it. I love preaching when people are fired up. People should never come into your assembly and have the thought of, oh, I thought y'all were going to have.

Because what gets me, which gets everybody, you've heard this, this is the most used illustration in all sermons. You'll see these same people at a football game. They're hollering, ratting, hugging strangers, jumping up and down. Their team scores. Oh, they are. It's hallelujah. Praise Jehovah. Thank you, Jesus.

Yeah. At the game. At the game. Now they go to the assembly the next morning. it's just crickets. It just doesn't make any sense to me. We used to say, Kelly used to say, looks like they've been baptized in lemon juice, you know, just, I mean, you need to have some excitement.

I think there's a few passages in the Bible that have been misrepresented. You know, you had, in Corinth, you had this situation going on where they were given these gifts, miraculous gifts of the Holy Spirit. Well, that was an exciting thing. And people went nuts. So, you know, Paul coming there and said, Let me remind you of the gospel. I mean, of all the insults in the entire Bible, I think that's number one.

If you have to be reminded, if you forgot the gospel, you need to be reminded of it in first community, it's 15. It's easily missed or set aside. So he basically come in there and said, you know, settle down a little bit. How about a little decency in order? But, you know, a lot of people have taken that to mean you can't. be joyful and that's it's a fruit of this well they say they'll say it's irreverent they say yeah it's if you're you know somebody's excited or you know at the founding of the country

there's a lot of that going on well feel you look you can't get up or you just learn you're you got talk into the mic yeah we've been filming for five minutes do you need a bottle or something I think you need no I'm all right no I was like this funny thing about These sound men have taught me something. It doesn't matter what you say if nobody hears it. But look, you bring that up. I know we're going to take some questions from our powerful audience out there. But you brought this up.

I mean, you thought about that doing everything in, what did you say? Decency in an order. But you said reverent. Yeah, so they say it's irreverent. Let me read you something. When you think of being reverent, what do you think of? What's the first thing pops in your mind? Pious, quiet.

Yeah, pious, quiet. Is that what you think? That's how we use the word? Pretty well. Let me read you something. Self-control. This just popped into my head, which might be the Holy Spirit, or I might be completely crazy.

I thought of Hebrews 5 in verse 7, it says, during the days of Jesus' life on earth, which is what we're talking about in the book of John. Yeah. he offered up prayers and petitions. Now, I want you to notice this phrase here with loud, speaking of my shouter, loud cries and tears to the one who could save him from death. And if you just stopped right there, you get a vision of Jesus was, he was crying out at various times. passionately.

Yep. You know, but when you see him characterized on TV or something, never like that. Yeah. But this is inspired by the Holy Spirit. I'm pretty sure he was an emotional fella after reading that. But listen to the next part of it, which is my point. And he was heard, heard what? Loud cries and tears.

He was heard because of his reverent submission. Well, our take on the definition, of reverent does not go along with that verse. That's true. Loud cries and tears. And somehow another, that was reverent submission. So always go back to, you know, when Jesus said, where was that?

That is Hebrews 5, 7, and that's a good one. That's a good one. He, you know, it goes back to what Jesus said when he said, love the Lord your God with all your heart, soul, mind, and strength. And for years, you know, I tried to figure out what each, of those meant, and it's hard to figure all that out. But what I've noticed is among denominations or religious groups, they tend to zero in on one or two of those aspects.

And then you can go right down the road, and they zero in on one or two. That's why we're kind of kidding about, you know, going Pentecost or whatever. But that seems to be more emotional, more passionate. it, you can go right on the road and you'll see a group that have, they focused in on, you know, mind and strength. They want to be intellectual. Yep. And like, you know, they miss grace.

They're like, oh, look how good I am, you know. You said what I mean? So that's just by take. Yeah, and one thing I've always appreciated about all my charismatic friends is that they've been much more open to the concept of the Holy Spirit and how he works. In our heritage, you know, not so much. We kind of had to just come to that realization on our own study, you know, because you just, we were taught.

When Jason and I went to school, we were told, Dad, that studying to prepare yourself for a lesson was 99% perspiration and 1% inspiration. They said that to motivate us, you know, to make sure we study. And look, I'd lean over and go, you said, what was that mean? I went to school because they were supposedly not coming from any kind of denominational background. That's why I went in there. But what I've noticed, and I think this is universal from people behind pulpits, everybody makes mistakes.

You know, just think about how many things you've changed your opinion on. That's right. From a biblical viewpoint through the years. I'm changing my opinion on things every couple of days, you know, I'm like, oh. Never saw that. Now, things that matter? Okay, maybe not. But the reason I did that, I always treat any kind of speech like eating fish.

When you run across the bone, you just spit it out. But keep eating the fish. Yeah, but I keep eating the fish. That doesn't mean, you know, I go running out of the building, like, you know, it's on fire, saying, I'm never coming back here. That guy's an idiot. I mean, he got up there saying, whatever. But, you know, most people, that's what they do when they go eat lunch after the service. They're like, can you believe he believes?

They call that pastor dinner or eat pastor for dinner. But, yeah, I mean, I tell you what, though, is one of the things I love about what we're doing here. And we've heard from a lot of you out there that are digging it, too, that this isn't a church thing. This is a kingdom. Unashamed, it's a kingdom Bible study. Well, and it's worth studying. But look, I'm going to tell you right now, as much as we talk. we're going to get it wrong every once in a while.

That's what this is all about. You have conversations you study. The power of the Bible is explaining it. There's where the power is. The Holy Spirit is unleashed when you explain what this means. But don't you have said that. That means you get it wrong. Well, I mean, I've got, you've passed on a few emails to me.

I'm like, okay. I mean, it's so minor a point. but this guy or or young lady they're like they disagree about something you know and to me it's a trivial point okay I could be wrong no big deal but it's to them they're like so I had one that I answered to and I said I don't think I said that now I don't watch our podcast you know we talk so much I would never watch this but he was saying that I said something that I knew I wouldn't have said. So I said, nope.

And I responded. I said, I would not say that. Now, if I did, I was just having a bad day and that. So look, and this guy, you know, he had all this argument. Well, when he, he said, well, I went back and looked at it and you were right. You didn't say that. But he sent me, you know, it took me 10 minutes to read it. And it was all about something.

He thought I said that I didn't. And I thought, here we. go. That, you know, if you, if you wake up and say, I got a, I heard something today and I'm fixed to send a scathing email, you know, I say rule number one is make sure that's what the guy said. Yeah, but I've got a general rule about scathing emails. Don't write down things you don't like.

I mean, if you can't have a conversation, because it always seems worse when you're reading something that's like aimed at you. It always seems more accusatory. It's terrible. more negative. I mean, but if you just had a conversation, like we say, hey, it's like, well, I don't think I said that. Then all of a sudden it's a cell phone course.

Disagreement should be talked through, not written through. The scathing email is probably not a good idea. Well, you're good on that. Well. You don't send text. No. So you're good. Or email.

See, some people send a text and it's misinterpreted. I just think the devices that enable human beings. on a whim to hear something and the information transfer is so rapid that you don't have time

let me put it this way there's different gifts in the kingdom some prophesy some just encourage some gifts of administration the body's a unit each member belongs to all the others we all have different tasks

first Corinthians 12 that's good. If you're going to, and if as proclaimers, which in this case, all three of us are, we proclaim to huge audiences, small audiences, one-on-one, rehabs, prisons, gala get-togethers, we're doing a lot of verbal, verbiage. Verbiage is coming out of us. We talk a lot. And you're sticky your foot in your mouth.

Well, if you just think about it, the text that came to my mind when all these collateral things are swirling around and what people are saying and doing this, where unfortunately, Christianity is divided into, I think someone said the last count was about 25,000 different denominations are coming out of one book. So he said, wait a minute here. That's a lot. So everyone has their creeds. They're what they're standing on and just goes on and on. And then the world is looking. I think if the world adheres to what the Apostle Paul said in Galatians,

he said, started out by saying, it's for freedom that Christ has set us free. Stand firm them. Don't let yourselves be burdened again by a yoke of slavian. On below there, he said, only thing that counts, and this is really the crux of the matter, the only thing that counts is faith expressing itself through love. If they see that, all these other, the way things are said, the excitement level, and, you know, I'll be given a lesson, and I will not be not be aware

that I've raised my voice substantially to make a point. You tend to do that. I don't realize that. I began to raise my, and the next thing, you know, I'm shouting. Well, you know. And I'm banging the, I'm banging the podium. I changed, I changed my format. What I do now is to get around that somewhat.

When I go up to speak now, there's a table there. And there's a chair and a mic. It's a table. One of the reasons I did that, I go up and I sit down at a table and I open my Bible. And most of them, they have a podium and with some kind of bench that puts the speaker higher, higher up. I thought about that. And I said, you know. I think it's a visual thing.

I don't think it's a planned. Well, I'm just saying, I'm saying, we're our brothers here. That's true. I'm not above them. I don't want them to be looking up at me. I want them to, I told them the other day I kept reminding them. I said, look, we're all brothers here. We need to love one another.

And that be seen, we're going to be known by our love for one another. That's what we're going to be known for. Love's the greatest gift. So we're going to show them what love is. There's blacks here, there's whites here. We're all together. We're worshiping God together. We're eating together.

It's a great thing. I just think in a lot of ways, if you get theologians on one side and just fly through every little scripture and argue every little point, at the end of the day, at the end of the day, love becomes further and further away. And the main thing, Jesus, what he's done for us doesn't become the main thing. and we're sitting out here arguing about little old text. I think what you're saying is the relational part of it. I mean, if you get, if you look at it from a relational view and you get that on straight,

Jesus is my Lord, God is our Father, the Holy Spirit is our indweller, counselor. If you're pursuing that, then it puts in perspective all the things you might disagree with on things that I say do not matter. you know, or are just subjective. I mean, I got a verse for you, I want to read. Second Timothy 23, and my point is going to be, why don't we use the same passion in fulfilling this verse as we do any other verse? Because this says don't have anything to do with foolish and stupid arguments

because they produce quarrels. That's my point. and the Lord's servant must not quarrel, but he needs to be kind to everyone able to teach, not resentful. Now here's the key verse. Those who oppose him or disagree, he must gently instruct in the hope that God will grant them repentance, leading them to the knowledge of the truth and truth,

and they escape the trap that came from the evil one, which is my point. ultimately it's not up to you anyway. God opens the heart. God moves you. You can only do the best you can and share and allow his grace to make up for your mistakes. Well, and what you're describing that is, I think, from my perspective, is knowing your audience, and it does affect your approach.

Like our church, you know, our church, White's Fair Road, we basically have three different services. We've got the sort of the main one, the big one that's first, that Jason Misery do worship for. Then we have a second one that's a lot more people without a church background in there, a lot of young people. It's a lot of higher energy, but they don't know as much about the book.

And then you got Dad's group, which are almost, I mean, most of the audience is unchurched completely. So your approach and how you share the Bible with all three of those groups is going to be different. I mean, have you noticed when you, because you'll do it Sunday. So when I preach in the first service, Most of this audience, you know, has been in church, understands it.

So, like, you can just assume a lot of things they know because they do for the most part. I illustrate a lot with Bible. You might not read a lot of the Bible because you already assume the most of them know. You can just check it out and say, you know, over in Acts 3 when this happens. But when I go into that, our second group, I mean, I realize they don't know. They don't know. I say something about Elijah's, who's that? You know, so it affects even the way you illustrate the way your approach.

So I think a lot of that's your audience, too. I mean, it is, but it's the same Jesus. And that's why I tend to, I think Sunday mornings, I've said this many times, I think that whatever you're together, 60 to 90 minutes. Not talking about Bible class, not talking about anything like that. That 90 minutes, I think the worship, the singing, the sermon, the Lord's Supper, it should all be around on Jesus, just because that is, he is God, He is the image of the invisible God.

That's how we communicate and, you know, see God as real. So I think that should be the focus. I mean, I'm really passionate about that. We can do classes. We can do, you know, have series. You know, these churches will have series. But to me, once you start getting away from Jesus for that 90 minutes, I just think that's a bad deal.

One thing that amazed me, and I learned a valuable lesson. It wasn't my idea. I think Owens came up with it. But where the brothers, the seating, where they sit, we replaced pews, you know, just pews, and everybody's sitting in rows, is the way most, that's the way.

American churches, they have that. Well, now they have that. A lot of them now have these new kind of mega churches. They got away from the pew. It's way more comfortable. It's like a movie theater scene. Well, what we did was we put tables there with chairs around the tables. Everyone sits at a table and we have a meal when we meet.

What struck me after about a year and a half there was that it really helped encourage to encourage interaction. If a group of brothers and sisters are seated at a table with a meal there, the Lord's Supper is in the middle of the table, we stop and we remember Jesus. In the midst of the meal, we stop the meal and do that. Which is the very first century.

Instead of like being in pews and here's someone seated next to you and you really, the pews, what they do, I'm not knocking them per se, I'm just saying, And if you get in rows and pews, your interaction is curtailed significantly. Yeah, right. Yeah. Rather than being at a table like we are right here, we're carrying on a conversation if we had food here and we're partaking the food while we're talking here.

We have breakfast and it's served and everybody from the homeless and the ones that's been around there for years. At least to get some together. You're not being decently in an order. The environment is more conducive to interaction between human beings if there's tables with chairs around them than pews. I've learned that much. And when you're small,

just a thought. When you're small and starting, like you guys did, that's a great idea because you're there. The problem is for most churches, if they grow, they get so big, you can't,

how do you do it? Then all of a sudden it's like our place. It's like, we're so landlocked into our situation, we couldn't do what you're just going. That's why I like the 90 minutes, focus on Jesus, go for the big crowd,

try to get as many people there, plug them in, Jesus and then you do the offshoot the spokes, you know, of the wheel, whether it's discipleship through small groups or having these house churches. What everyone needs to remember. Factions like a house church out of building, which is fine with me. Whatever one needs to remember is that all these texts we're reading, it was 300, 250 to 300 AD from the beginning of the church, the big happening at Pentecost, the Spirit was given.

and they just took off. But the whole thing basically was street preaching and just reaching out in small groups. There were no synagogues. When they went to the synagogues, by the way, trouble, trouble came their way. When the Apostle Paul and them went to the synagogues, one after the other in the book of Acts, you say they beat them high after death, they ran them off. You say the structured part got in the way of the gospel. So they just went, there were no church buildings, and all these texts were reading.

They just didn't happen. Therefore, fast forward 2,000 years. What you're looking at is the American and the European model of Christianity, which, in my opinion, might not be the best model. It needs to be more diffused, smaller groups. You go to China, we have brothers there, millions of them, but they are literally underground on the whole thing, North Korea, China, anywhere else where there's authoritarian dictatorships. I mean, they really, really get after you.

So they're quietly meeting in their homes and they're hiding. But what I'm saying is you don't want to build a structure with a tall steeple on the front of it in Red China or Korea. You won't be there long. You understand what I'm saying now? Well, I don't know where we got in. of this structure on the street corner. I mean, basically, you didn't get that from the New Testament. They were meeting in homes.

That's right. Well, it came in 300. Constantine was the first emperor of Rome that converted to Christianity. So what happened was it became then the state religion, you know, which actually didn't do us any favors. So where do these people get this idea, though, when you walk into a building at a certain time that all of a sudden there's some rules that you can. can't do certain things. I'm not talking about evil. I mean, just things.

Like, I've seen places where you can't eat, you know, once you enter the sanctuary or whatever, and you've got to, like, put your honey bun down. Don't be chewing on the honey bun as you walk under. Don't bring that coffee in there. Well, yeah, that's what I mean? Which proves my point. The American model is strong on,

on organized process. It's structured so stiff that you move outside of that and you're suspect of being a little bit too excited about the fact that you're going to receive immortality at the end of this. Well, we can, I mean, if you go to Europe, if you go to Western Europe, you can see, I mean, you can go back about five or six hundred years in time.

You still see those cathedrals. I mean, Notre Dame was 900 years ago. And so what's sad is you walk in those buildings And dad and I did it It's a museum now It's not even I mean like people When I was in the Ukraine The only nice thing

They're viewing the architecture Yeah The only nice thing in Ukraine Now this is 20 years ago But was the church buildings And they were these state run Orthodox But they're

You know People are starving to death I'm like Sell some of this gold-plated cathedral Because we went in there there would be like seven people in there. You know, I'm like, what? That's right.

They'd be a little area over there with just a few people. I'm like, take this, sell it, demolish the rest of it, and give the proceeds, get some food, really starving people. We were filming Notre Dame when we went to Paris, French and Paris. We were looking at it,

and I said, are all these people worshippers? Because it was a long line. It was a long line that went out of sight, and they were all going into the cathedral. And I said, oh, this is a gigantic worship service. They said, oh, no, no, no, no. They're paying at the front, at the door. That's right.

They're paying money to see the architecture. I said, what? Oh, yeah. So it had completely lost its meaning. That's right. And when I saw that, I just looked at the American model. with these gigantic structures, and I'm thinking, you know. Yeah, we came out of that.

Maybe we're... Act 1724. God, God, I mean, in that famous sermon by Paul. Oh, yeah. God does not live in buildings built by hand, human hands. Temples built by man. That's right. He does not like silver and gold and all that.

He does not live there. Now, what does that mean? That's a hard sell, guys, in America. Hey, that's a hard sell in America. but we need to be more diffused. There needs to be oversight, but we just don't need to be quite not near as structured as we have become. Yeah, because we're not down on churchmen.

We have to be relevant, and we've lost a lot of our relevancy. Well, I mean, we are a little bit down on it. I remember when they were, like, questioning me on what my ideas were about doing the worship and all. Because we have two services, and one of them is, What is the word contemporary, I guess, you know, non-traditional. Yeah. Well, there you go. That's my point.

Well, I don't even know how to describe it. They have a band, okay? They're excited. Now, the first service is not. It's more laid back conservative. It's a cappella music. Which I love both, but I lean toward the more, you know, contemporary mindset. But anyway, they were.

So you end up with two groups, one of them is dull and one of them's exciting. Well, not dull. I didn't say that. You said that. That's what it seemed, but they're like, you know, there's dull and then there's this. We need to liven this up. To liven it up, you have to loosen it up somewhat. But they were a little nervous about me being a part of it, you know, so they were trying to figure out

what exactly are you going to do, you know, because people are like, because we have the other service that people want to go there. And I was like, well, well, if your whiskers are down to your chest, that throws in. another thing about what's that guy, you know, in this middle of the American structured Christianity, J.S.U. a little bit. Well, and look. Not left or center. You're right of center. I said something I shouldn't have said because I was looking at them like, this is ridiculous. I said, well, I'll tell you this. My plan will be to do something in between what we're doing now in the first service and burning the building.

no one in it. And they were like, what? I was like, I'm embellishing to make a point that God does not live in the building. I'm not worried about that structure. I want to get us together and let's worship together powerfully and passionately. Kind of what I read like Jesus did in his ministry with loud cries and tears, it's okay. God formed us like this. It's okay to show a little emotion,

especially when you're thinking about going to heaven of the resurrection or participating in the forgiveness or you're a child of God or whatever. It's okay to say, yes. God's not the God of disorder. So some of the people back in the first century were taking it a little, little far. Yeah, some rebukes. So some rebukes. So calm down here.

There's a balance in there between, you know. He said when the, when the, in the context of, uh, speaking in various languages worldwide. The Corinthians had the gift. One of the things he said in there, he said, brothers, stop thinking like children. He said, you don't want to get to where this is not wise. Yeah, but I think people miss the point that if you had the power to do miraculous gifts,

you remember when he sent out the, was it 72, and he gave them that power, and they all came back and they were just like, oh, this is the greatest thing. We got, you know, and Jesus said, hey, don't be excited that you can do miracles or however he put that. He said, but be joyful that your names are written in a book of life. But the excitement that would happen because you had some kind of miraculous gifts, now that would be hard to deal with, you know, especially for some people. Well, and in the Corinthian letter, I mean, I think it's a.

reason why and that's why I brought it up earlier. These three remain faith, hope, and love, but the greatest of these in the middle of this friction that was going on at Corrinth, he said, in the middle of it all, he said, look, the greatest of all these is love. Just remember, you know, and he mentioned the fact, he looked, I can speak in tongues of men and angels, but I don't have love. He said, I'm just making a racket, you know, resounding gong or clanging symbol. We had a problem there. There was a problem there. He was addressing it saying, y'all need to calm down a little bit and learn to love one another because he had a list going up to 1st, Corinthians 13, of a lot of issues there. But the biggest issue, they were

suing each other and getting drunk at the Lord's supper. I mean, look, this was a pretty rough bunch. Luke 10.20 is where he said, I have given you authority trample on snakes and scorpions to overcome all the power of the enemy. Nothing will harm you. However, do not rejoice that the spirit submit to you, but rejoice that your names are written in heaven. Yeah. My point is, though, you're still rejoicing.

You know? As long as you keep the main thing, the main thing, Jesus, him crucified and raised from the dead. Well, and you're on a pretty solid ground. But to find rejoice is what I'm saying. If, I mean, I'm going back to the football game. I keep going back to it. You rejoice about everything else.

except your name written in a book of life, rejoices, there's some kind of action that's happening. If in the middle of a dissertation, a guy who was speaking on behalf of God said in the church, he said, I thank God I speak in tongues more than all of you, but in the church I'd rather speak five intelligence of words to instruct others than 10,000 words in a tongue. Brothers, stop thinking like children.

There's a problem here. In regard to evil, be infants, but in your things. thinking, listen to this, be adults. So you say, you look at that, you say, you know, we need to be, we need to keep it where we are adults here. We're not just running in every direction and it becomes disorderly and chaotic. It's not wise. Right. Love gets lost and all that out. Well, and that's it. I mean, that's the fine line. You're talking about people getting together. But you would do the same thing in your house. That's right. If you're trying to talk, Because I was in your house.

And you're like, hey, hey, get out of here, kid. You know what I mean? Any kind of disruption was like immediate. While ago you were talking about, you know, we took this class called homiletics, remember we take that together. And you know what I learned? See, I missed all this high dollar. You need a class in homilates.

I just taught one. You should have come to our class. What I learned is, is everyone has a nervous tick. Have we talked about this before? Everyone has a nervous tick that comes out when they get up and start speaking. Like some people put their hand in their pocket and jingle their change. But they don't realize it. Everybody's out there like.

You've got the rockers and the pulpit strokers. The strokers. Well, see, you're the village blacksmith. You pound on the podium. And due to your hearing situation, you start. talking at a level that's too loud. And, you know, I was, I was, I don't know if you knew this. I was nominated.

We had a family meeting about it because somebody, it wasn't playing. We were just all eating together. And somebody said, who's going to tell Phil that he's screaming in his term? So somehow another, I got nominated. So remember, I was like, Phil, you're, we have these thing called microphone. You don't have to do. I have a lot of verses that says, and he raised his. voice. I'll just finish this little discussion up with this. Out of all the things I've said to

particular audiences, I've never used, and Jesus, the son of God, the Savior of the world, he used this verbiage, and so did John the Baptist. He called his audience before he was going to tell them what he had to say, whether it be repentance, you know, and you need to obey me. Both Jesus and John the Baptist addressed his audience, their audiences, as a brood of snakes. Yeah, John the Baptist did for sure. You know, now out of all the things I've said, I've never got up before a group, I said, all right, you brood of snakes. I just, I didn't, I don't use that particular terminology to crank up a pointing them to Jesus moment.

I just leave that out of. And they were religious, but the one in John the Babbage. case it says when you know it's Matthew 3-7 because I've been studying that because that's what I'm on a preacher on it said when the Pharisees and sadducese came to where he was he said you brute of vipers who warned you to flee from the coming wrath and he's the point man for Jesus so it helps my feelings a little when they say you're getting a little loud I said calm down here I'm trying to yeah but you remember the argument we had that day I said Phil, you're screaming.

I was, you were defending your passion. You're like, hey, they raised their voice. I was like, they didn't have a microphone. When it says, Peter, raise his voice and address the crap, well, of course he did. He didn't have a mic. He had to say, hey. I understand. He's screaming, but it doesn't sound like.

I said, you're hurting my head. Plus, you, no matter how I've tried, I will say that if you have. have if you've let the let the truth come out about it and say I've never owned a cell phone so I don't know quite how that works well you already there saying yeah okay we got one about half a bubble off here

he's not in tune with with cell phones he's not into that so you scream and you get a label you get a label well so come across so I'm not sure I'm not quite sure why. I never said, but you know, give me a cell phone. People actually gave me as gifts a cell phone and I would throw it to the kids and they would grab it. They would start. That's like throwing $15, $100 bills to them. You said to sold it for a thousand. I just decided not, I don't know whether it was a God thing or I just look. Everybody has their style. You know, we just did a

Homeless class. We're doing it right now when we're done it. Did you tell them what your nervous tick is? Yeah. Did you tell him he pointed it out? Was it you or Missy? No, it's me. I have a talent. I have very few talents in life. One of them is I spot people's nervous ticks quickly. So you tell me about mine.

Yeah. And you did it Sunday, by the way. I know. Because you can't help, you don't know you're doing it's involuntary. You want to tell them what it is? You can tell. Al, when he first gets up there, he reach and tugs, his ear. Like Carol Burnett. Yeah, look, it's like this move. He'll get up, you know, and he's like, hey, he's telling the judge.

And he'll tug that ear. He's tugging it. Not constantly. I mean, look, of all the nervous ticks, that's a good one because that's not bothering me. And it doesn't draw a lot of attention. It doesn't draw, and you never even, have you ever noticed him doing that? Nope. He does it every time he speaks.

He grabs that ear. I'll lean up until Missy. I said, he's tugging on that ear. I told our class about it. But it was interesting because so Gary Osbournes in our class, and we taught homiletics and hermeneutics, and now everybody in the class is like doing these little 10-minute speeches. So we're kind of like critiquing each other and, you know,

trying to help everybody get better. It's been really good. So what's the difference between homiletics and homer? Homiletics. Homiletics is how you go about, yeah, speaking as far as enunciating your words, your outlines. How do you outline? These nervous tics

These ex-commercial fishermen and whatnot, unschooled and ordinary men was what sent a wave of shock to the Pharisees. Well, that's me. I'm an unschooled. But you got to remember,

it's all in, you know, what you're representing. I get up there and a lot of the things that the homiletics class would tell you don't ever do. I do because I'm just a normal. People don't think I'm a professional

speaker, you know. Right. So I like silence. You know, people are scared of silence. I guess that is a homiletical view. They do things because they're scared of silence. So maybe, well, let me finish this point. Maybe because of this class, instead of being scared of silence, I embrace the silence.

You know, a lot of times I'll just get up there. And I'm just looking. And people laugh. They, the, it's not, silence is not a bad thing. It's actually, it draws people in. So hermeneutics is. how you study the Bible. It's opposed to the Bible.

I would just say, as I thumb through the pages of this, the sword of the spirit, I would just interject at this point and say, I've never run up on the term homonutics. That's neither. That's not a word. That's why you have that. That's a, that's a mule. That's a mule. See, homiletics.

So where is that text that talks about homiletics? Harmonetics and homiletics. And homiletics have nothing. That's like two different. That's like a ship and a car. I like ordinary unschooled. I like that's one I like. Well, you won't find a risk.

Makes me feel. You won't find an arithmetic in there either, but it's good to learn. Do you want to tell them my tick? Well, wait a minute. Let me give my point. Then you tell them. So Gary Osborne, when he spoke, he said when I was growing up, I heard two speakers. I mean, that's the two people that preached to me and told me.

It was you, Phil, and me. And he said, so when I started speaking, you know, now, because Gary's a really good teacher, he was like, so first I tried to be like, Phil. Disaster. He said, you know, I could. I got up and I'm, you know, trying to be passionate, but it just wasn't me. He says, so then I thought, well, maybe I need to be like Al. So he said, I tried to be funny and put humor.

Disaster. He said, you know, he's a lawyer. He's analytical. So he's like, that's my deal. So when he goes into a text, that's the way he does. He presents sides and looks at it. He has a great mind. He's a great mind.

So I thought that was interesting when you talk about how I'm allowed. I've heard him speak. He's a good thing. He's a good thing. He's really good. But he figured out, and it was good for our class to hear, you can't be somebody else. You've got to be you. That was a very good thing for him to reflect on.

I thought it was great. And it was really good for the class. Well, we know even from doing Duck Dynasty, these people would try to create humor. like the producers and all. Sure. Because we're all looking at them like, well, that's not funny. And we would turn the camera on

and we're being ourselves and the humor like came out of that. Like, you know, people that, you know, I meet all these people and these VIP, meeting Greece, and they're like, boy, you're funny, you know, and you know how it is. Once you become known, a celebrity or whatever, people are like, say something funny.

So I'm like, that's not how it works. You know what I'm living my life. Make me laugh. What you think is funny, I don't think it's funny. They're like, boy, I remember this time you said that. You know, I got a shirt like that. I was like, I still don't think that's funny. It was just something I said.

It was not funny. You think it's funny. Yep. But my point is when you speak, the worst thing you can do is try to be funny. If you try, it's pretty much guaranteed to fail. You just think about it. A lot of times, I, I'm speaking, I'm talking.

And everybody laughs and I'm like, you know, you have to go on. But you start thinking back, well, why did they think that was funny? Because it wasn't funny to me. I was being serious. So I don't know. Tell them what your tick is. I don't know. That's why.

I'll look for it, Sunday. See, I try since I'm real self-conscious about others. Now, used to I had a problem. I got this from Phil. Because my number one fear in life I've said many times was public. speaking. I just didn't want anything to do with it. And you ended up there anyway. Well, I think it's because God takes whatever you're the weakest in and he turns it

into a strength. I really believe that. And because that was it for me. I've told this hundreds of times, you know, when I went to speech class in ninth grade, I thought that was going to help me, you know, with my English grammar. Because, you know, let's face it, your wife, our mom, took a wrong turn when it came to English. Norm Crosby. Yeah, it's like half of her words are like, what?

You know, it's a version, kind of like what you were doing with hermeneutic while ago. Homonutic. Homonutic. A merger. Yeah, you develop all these. That's actually a good class, hominutist, Dubot. Yeah. But look, so here's what's ironic.

Jason and I were in school together, and I thought Jay's, and we had to speak at Chapel, because you're speaking in front of your fellow students and all the instructors, and you ain't never done this before, you know. So it was very nerve-wracking to me. So you've got the guys you're teaching and you've got their pad out. Oh, yeah, they're listening and they're basically critiquing. They are vetting and critiquing you. So I felt high pressure in those situations, but Jace was much more natural.

So I thought through preaching school, I thought, well, I'm not really ever going to be a speaker or preacher. and that's the more Jason's thing. I'm going to be doing something else, you know, teaching or whatever. And yet it was ironic that I wound up spending, you know, my whole life doing it. And I really didn't in an official capacity. Right.

But you know what? I would be nervous about doing it. But once I got up there, I just thought, forget all that. I'm just going to be, you know, I've always, that's like my trigger mechanism is like, I'm just going to be real, right or wrong. that's all I got.

You know what I mean? If I remember what I prepared, fine. It's a good policy case. But I can't, you know, the people that they write it all down, I don't know. You know, and they're reading it. To me, you just, you got to study, you put the time in, you focus on the important aspects of, you know, sharing Jesus, whatever. Then you just got to get up there and be real. I mean, let's face it.

You do. And you got to use your strength. It's a good, it's a good, good thinking, Chase. It is. Well, that's a good discussion. We went all over the roadmap with that one. What do we call that a potpourri? We are so glad you're watching and listening to the Unashamed podcast.

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