Unashamed with the Robertson Family - Ep 562 | Jase Has Multiple Birthdays Because the Internet Lies & Phil Hates the Rising Crime

Episode Date: October 10, 2022

Jase says the truth is a difficult thing to know, especially for famous people. Just take the fact that, according to the internet, he has one birthday, but it's different from his ACTUAL birthday. So every year, he has birthday messages on both days. Jase tells Al he should just cut off his injured finger — and what a great sermon illustration that would be, right?   Phil is sure he's never seen this much crime, not just in the country, but in the world — and Jase says this is because the population is the highest it's ever been. Al says the unforgivable sin is to deny that Jesus and the Holy Spirit are one. You can't separate Jesus from good. You can't separate Satan from evil. Jase cautions against anyone calling something that is obviously sinful behavior "justified" and "good" — that's a dangerous place to be!  Sign up to watch the Unashamed overtime show, only on BlazeTV: https://BlazeTV.com/Unashamed - Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

I am unashamed. What about you? So I didn't tell you all about my, I had to go to the doctor yesterday. I think I told, did I tell you about me hurting my finger, Jay's? Yeah, I mean, you dislocated your finger. Yeah, and I said the Almighty was cursing me because I made fun of mom, you know. So, but mom, so she has surgery on hers. They reconnect the tendons. You know, she's good to go.

So that was my expectation. So, you know, because I don't go to the doctor a lot, thankfully. So I go in, I'm sitting there waiting. He comes in and I like his style because he walks in. He doesn't have a white coat or anything. He's just dressed in normal clothes. He said, what are y'all doing in here? I said, we're waiting on you to get here because you're the star of the show.

So he starts laughing. And he says, yeah, you got the mallet, huh? And I said, yep, I got it. It's called mallet finger. And the end of my finger just droops down. It's just, it's worthless, the worthless appendage. And I said, yeah, I got it. He said, well, I got to tell you right now about this deal.

He said, first of all, it stinks. I mean, it's no fun. I said, well, I can attest to that. He said, second thing is, I can't really do anything to help you. And I was like, what? Because I thought he's going to say, you know, we can knock this out. We do whatever. He's like, no.

He said, basically either. it's going to heal on its own or it isn't. And so all I'm going to do is put something on it to keep you from moving it for six weeks. And then we'll see what happens. He says, it's going to heal in some form or fashion. But I was so stunned because, you know, you're so used to go into the doctor and then saying they can fix anything. But this guy, which I loved his honesty, he was like, yep, can't do anything to help.

He said, I can put a pen in there. And he said, but you know the problem with that? And I said, what? And he said, and then you got a pin in your finger. He said, it hurts all the time. Did he ever say? How did he ever say stretch out your hand? He did not say that, which I thought about this.

Jay's, I actually thought about that text. I thought about, man, if only I could be in the synagogue and look at Jesus and say, stretch out that finger. Because when I stretch it out, it just droops. Just nothing changes. When Jesus said stretch out your hand, he stretched it out. The tip of my middle finger, just the tip of it, from the joint of the, up to it.

It's just, it's gone. And he said the tendons tore and they shrink back is what happens. And so he said, you know, he said, you know, you don't have weak joints,

which I didn't know there was such a thing. He said, so that's a good thing in this case. He said, so it may grow back. You may be good. He said, but we may take it off and it'll droop from the rest of your life.

I was one of my coaches said one time when a guy had lost his finger in a woodworking. accident. I mean, he had locked, he came in, said, hey, coach, well, yeah, I had it bandaged it up. He said, let me look. So he pulled his, the paper towel back, and there was no finger. And he said, well, you know what the good thing is? And that little kid was looking like for, for joy and hope. I could see it in his eyes. And he said, you got another one just like it on the other side. That's not, that's not big. That's not big.

encouraging diagnosis. Phil, with a man of your compassion for you to think even that's extreme, means that was a pretty extreme response to a kid losing his finger. Well, what I didn't realize was until now I haven't had use in a few weeks is the middle finger on your dominant hand is a very instrumental tool in the human body. Oh, is that the one you're having problems with? Yeah. Well, you need to just go and cut that off.

And since you're the one that says you thought that it may be a curse from God, which I talked about last podcast, be careful that you don't go to extreme where, you know, there's a demon in the lettuce. And that's why you got sick. And there's no parking because the demons are out to get you. And, you know. So what were you doing when your finger went out on you?

I just, I literally just set my hand down on a stuff. on a set of steps to balance myself to then walk up the steps. I mean, it was the most, you know, something you do, you know,

never even think twice about it. And somehow I just had that finger in the wrong position. And it felt like a bee sting. Like it just was a little zap on my hand. I looked out of my hand and then that finger was just drooping. So here's what you do. This is the ultimate, if I was a pasture and I had a problem like that causing me that much pain,

You would have the ultimate illustration now. Go Ronnie Lott, who famously, when they said that he couldn't play in the second half of the Super Bowl, because his finger was dislodged and dislocated, and they said, we can't fix that. And he said, well, cut it off. And they did. And he went and played. So, Al, you. True story.

True story. Oh, look it up. Well, you can't look it up. But there's an encyclopedia, I'm sure, that would have that information in it. True story. You could cut off your middle finger out as the opposite reaction to what that represents when people in the demonic world give you the finger. And make a great illustration.

Yeah. If your right finger cause you to sin, cut it off. I don't know what you'll do without me. I know. You're just full of grand idea. Phil came up in between the break because we're doing two podcasts today. And we're having difficulty with Al since we have a hurricane. And our hearts do go out to the people in Florida who are undergoing that.

And I don't think it's some kind of judgment, end-time judgment. I just think we live in a earth. on an earth that's volatile, and we're perishable. We're perishable beings, and storms happen. And we're, you know, the next chapter, we're going to see where a storm happens with Jesus in the boat. And, I mean, the key thing to take away from that is when you're in the boat with Jesus, ultimately, storms can't hurt you.

You're in the right boat. Even if you die, yet so you live. And I mean, you know, I'm not making. light of that tragedy happens but that's that's why we have jesus in the boat i mean we're we're in his boat he he calms the storms he raises the dead he heals diseases he fixes fingers he fixes his hands that's where we're going with us so but meanwhile while we're here and all the chaos and tragedy and things that go about we share the same message he did which is that god is for us not against us he wants us to live

with him forever as part of his family. And it's the greatest kingdom that's ever been established or ever will be established. And he chose to allow human beings to be a part of it because of his love and grace. I mean, that is the gospel. No, you're right, Jay's. And, you know, there's nowhere you can go on this planet to get away from storms, difficulties. I mean, you know, people just think, well, we can fix this planet. No, not really because we didn't make it.

And so I know people think they can and people think they can create a paradise, you know, here, but you can't. That's why you have to have something more. That's why the kingdom of God is such a big deal. I don't know how anybody lives down here on the coast without faith or anywhere that's evolved. During the break, Phil, you remember your assessment? And I said I had the answer. I said, but we'll wait until the podcast has started. So what was your assessment that you said?

and I'll give you my answer. What topic? You said, I've noticed that on the earth there's more crime. What was you? Say what you said. I said, because you said, what you think? And I said, no, wait.

It seems to me that just solid crime, robbery, rape, murder, beating, shootings, looting, burning. It just looks like to me there's an uptick. Maybe somebody said, well, you just saw, something and then you figured at. But this is the biggest crime wave I've ever actually looked at. It's, it's. Well, I think you said, you thought, you said, I think there's more crime today than

there ever has been in the history of the world. That's 76. That's my assessment. And I said, I know why. You don't want to hear why? I'd love to know that it's, that, that, that, that enlightened me, Jason. Because there's more people on the earth right now than there's ever been. It's a good point.

The odds are against what you're trying to say. It's a population thing. Yep. Yep. You're right. There was nothing profound. It was just a, it was. I've never seen a group of individuals so hell bent on.

Going to hell? On snow. Oh. slaughtering their own children in the mother's womb. I just can't. Yeah, I mean, we're laughing, but it's not funny. Think about, though, Dad, think about that. Jay's is right.

It's not just that there's more people, but there's more people in smaller places. Because, look, you know, if me and Jay's go down to the grocery store, we go to Brookshers, you know, we would never see some person over there just wailing away on some woman when we walked in the grocery store. You know, I mean, you just wouldn't see it. here. And if you did see it, there would be about 10 men that took that guy and beat the crap out of it.

But when now with all this video we're seeing in some of these major cities, I mean, people are just, they'll just go over and just beat the fire out of some little old lady. And you're like, but it's, they're all pined on top of each other. And then it's just like a world gone mad. But it's the

population centers are the problem. I've, I've never had so many people threatening me at this time of my life. I'm thinking, how could you build enough prisons to even hold them. They can't. They're overcrowded. That's what I'm saying. Well, there's more people.

I mean, the biggest structures on the earth is fast to get them to a point where there's more people in prison that it is and not in prison. I mean. Well, that would be a sad time. When you looked up one day and everybody was locked up. Yeah. That's where we headed. It's almost like the Bible.

It says the whole world is a prison of sin. That's what you're seeing. I mean, obviously, it's a lack of, it's a lack of Jesus, too, with these people, because you'd never act like that. Love, joy, and peace, Jase, for the people of the world. Love, joy, and peace has flown away. Well, fortunately, we have a being known as Jesus that calls all men. And one of the things you do, you know, I mean, that you get from putting your faith

and trust in Jesus is the Holy Spirit and the fruit of the Holy Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness, and self-control. So there's your sermon. It'll work. There's a great show that's streaming.

When's the last time he said that? Called The Chosen, and they got that idea from this little episode that happened in Mark 313. They God chose us for the beginning of time, but he did it. thinking he would you know god doesn't think in the future because he just is but he says through the

work the sanctifying work the holy spirit and so in the overtime we talked about this idea that these men that you have to be patient with that were chosen they were flawed they did dumb things i mean even peter when he acknowledged jesus as son of god in uh what was that matthew 16 15 and 16 he then starts questioning how Jesus is going to go about saving the world. And so Jesus in the next breath said, that was given to you by my father in heaven that you're acknowledging me as the son of God. And then the next paragraph he says,

Peter, get behind me, Satan. And which is not, you know, the equivalent of having a bad day at work and you breaking out your shirt, you know, get behind me Satan or, No, what's the shirt say? Not today, Satan. I remember when that movement came about it. Because we talked about people go to the extreme sometimes, and they get so caught up in trying to figure out how the demons are working

or what everything means in life that they miss the fact that inside Jesus, clarity is found. You find clarity of life. in being with Jesus, which is his whole point of why he came. Hey, Jay, let's take a break. So that brings us, which I had quoted the C.S. Lewis that's been quoted many times, that, you know, people have to come to an opinion on who they think Jesus is. Even if they don't acknowledge or say, I don't believe that, yeah, they have an opinion of Jesus.

And the main three, I think that he got out of here, he's either Lord. is who he says he is, he's a son of God, or he's a lunatic, or he's a liar. And you're introduced to that in verse 20, because it says, then Jesus entered a house, and again, a crowd gathered so that he and his disciples were not even able to eat. So he's dealing with his fame because of what people are getting from him, which is healing, they're getting demons removed. They're getting their life back. So when his family heard about this,

they went to take charge of him. That means we've got to put him under lock and key somehow. He's out of control. Because when you think about this, and I'll go ahead and read the rest of that, For they said he is out of his mind. He's a lunatic. That's his own family.

His own family. Now, for we throw him under the bus, and we know Mary believed, and we know at one point, John 75, that Jesus' brothers, his own brothers, did not believe in him. It clearly says that. So you've got to think, well, what happened? Well, this is, when you think about, in reality, what's happened here, you kind of sympathize with this. Because here's Jesus who up until this point, you know, before he receives God's Spirit, he wasn't doing miracles and all that. He was just a normal fella. Now, without the fact that he never sinned.

So I think when you throw that in there, think about that situation. You know, I had many. He had a big knowledge of the scriptures as a kid. Well, true. He was sitting there and they couldn't get around him. Obviously, you know, he was different in those facets. But he wasn't, you know, doing miracles. And now a lot of people think he was in the religious world.

But it seems to me that that started in his ministry once he got the Holy Spirit and those miracles were confirmation that he was the son of God. But either this or that, I'm not going to make a big deal of that. I mean, he was different. And I mean, this is one of those deals I think were practically, you know, his brothers were like, you think you're perfect. It's something I said to my brothers. And Jesus went, yeah. Well, you know, that just didn't go well.

And I know that Jesus was probably the favorite because you know how we do as parents. We have our kids and there's moments where you play favorites because you can't help it. I mean, I remember in some of my wisdom and discipline with my kids. I remember one time, which I shouldn't have said this because we're a flawed human beings. But we had a conflict between my two sons and just in my frustration in trying to identify what they needed to do. I mean, I looked at one son, brother, and I said, you need to be more like him. you know that was a terrible thing to say because i was basically saying i like him better and in the moment i did because i was like just just watch him and be more like him because you're you're you're

you're just this is what's causing all the problems you know but when you look at their life practically and all of a sudden the reason i think jesus started doing this type of miracles for the first time well that's why I think they thought he was out of his mind because they're like waiting a minute here I don't think Mary I don't think he's including Mary because think about it Mary was told you're going to be a child and she said how can this be I'm a virgin and when God says nothing's impossible she probably never wavered I thought that at first but then when he gets to the back end of this and I mean look now this this gets a little weird because there's a story within a story here, which Mark does that a lot.

But then he's going to get to the end in verse 31. I'll go ahead and read it. He says, when then Jesus' mother and brothers arrived and standing outside, they sent someone in to call him. A crowd was sitting around him, and they told him, your mother and brothers are outside looking for you. Now he asked this profound question, which seems to a lot of people,

especially non-believers, this seems terrible to say, who are my mother and my brothers, he asked. Then he looked at those seated in a circle around him and said, here are my mother and my brothers. Whoever does God's will as my brother and sister and mother. Now, just as profound as it was him to call his disciples up on the mountain and introduce the idea that God can use. use people to share his goodness and grace despite their flaws.

I think here as profound is he introduces for the first time what I would depict as a forever family. God introduces that not only does he want to save man, that he loves man, but he wants to live with people forever. Because here's Jesus, the son of God, in human form, and he's saying, you want to be the family of God? you do the will of the father and you're you you're going to be our family and there's other passages you can go to there's one in john your lineage it is because the jews were big on lineage

your lineage does not amount to do what's what i'm saying well exactly which seems harsh now look there's plenty of passages in ephesians and other passages about the the dynamic of the family I mean, God is the architect of the family. We read this in weddings and baby blessings, and he's pro-family. He designed it. It was his idea. We have our roles in the family. We should do them.

You know, as I think of the illustration in Ephesus 5, you know, where husbands, you know, love your wives, booing to give your life for your wife. Women, you know, submit to your husbands. And he goes to talking about kids and our husbands. and our responsibility of them, but he also said in there, but remember, you're married to Christ. I mean, we have this relationship with Jesus, and we have families, and they should be godly and dynamic forces for what's right and that show Jesus in the right life. We're to set up an example for him.

There's no doubt. And everything. But in this situation, you know, I don't know if Mary, I mean, we can speculate on this, I mean, maybe she knows God, I mean, she knows God's plan. She knows this is real because she was a virgin, despite what everybody else said. She knew this is not possible. But it happened. So I do believe that she was probably saying, look, but she also gets the idea that all of a sudden this hoopla has happened.

And even, you know, Mary was a human being. And so. You could make an argument, Jace, that. that families without the Lord Jesus, here are my mother, my brothers, who if you realize you're in a forever family, as you said it, if you realize that and you behave accordingly, because there are a lot of families

that are broken, splintered at each other's throat. Oh, exactly. It gives hope to people who, I don't know how many people. We've got a fatherless culture. There's no dad there. Oh, exactly. My adopted daughter, I mean, that was her biggest draw to God initially. Because she don't have any family.

She's an orphan girl. And she's like, but I have a father he loves me. I mean, that was very appealing. And once she understood who Jesus is and that we're adopted, and I mean, this is part of her story. So I've seen what happens in people's lives as a positive. But it's also frustrating for people to read this, because it makes them uncomfortable because they're like,

well, that wasn't very nice for his family. But you got to remember, most of them didn't believe. Mary was probably just trying to be like moms do. She was trying to get everybody together on the same page because, look, it's in our nature. We put family first, which is a good thing. But when you come to Christ, you realize that we put Jesus first and God's family is part of that.

but your family is also the responsibility that God gave you to try. I mean, my number one priority is to get my family, my physical family to heaven as a part of God's forever family, which is, which I think is spiritual because you want them to live with you forever. It's the highest form of love. What's your take on that, Al? Yeah. So let's take a break. No, I agree. And I think it also shows you, Jays.

you mentioned this, I think in the last podcast, one of y'all did, that how radical what Jesus was doing was. I mean, in other words, he was totally shifting everybody's system that they've always known for all of their human history. I mean, he was changing it. And just think about it, it was, yeah, it was their brother and it was Mary's son. And she even knew that he was special because she knew it at the beginning. but he was he was flipping the whole world over and so even them they're human beings they're just like we got to go talk to it but i agree with your assessment of mary i think she probably like most moms said look we're going to hold this family together let's go down and talk to him and

find out we're hearing all this stuff about what he's saying and doing let's go have a conversation and i don't think jesus was being ugly about him i just think he was expanding the idea that this is exactly what I'm talking about. Your earthly family is not not the most important thing going forward. Well, it's being a part of me. I think the number one thing like when I used to my kids, I'd say, look, you're representing Jesus. I would always go to Jesus first. But then I would also say, but you're representing this family. I'd say the Robertson name, there's reputation. So when you're doing something out in public that you think is hurting your reputation, you know, especially the mom of the family, we got to have an intervention here. And, and you're just a lot of

And I think that's what's going on. Can you imagine the stories they're hearing? Now, his brothers don't even believe in him. And all of a sudden, they're hearing all this. It's hard to, when somebody becomes famous and look, we, I know this firsthand, it is hard to find the truth. I mean, I've said this before, but half the things that you will find out about me on Mr. Google is false. Because anybody can post anything.

I mean, we've had, you know, we've all gone through the stories. I mean, Phil's been selling marijuana stuff and size died at least three times and come back to life. Multiple times. Yeah. I mean, it's all these stories. And I've seen people will send me things about somebody put out there that my birthday was on the 17th. And it's on the 16th. I'm not even going to give you the month because I don't even want to give you the month because I don't

want, you know, I don't want to go down that road. But so now, look, here's what's funny. I have two birthdays every year. I have just as many people, my own friends, because they read it on the internet subconsciously said, oh, I got that wrong. So on the 16th, I get, I'd say 50 text on my phone, happy birthday, you know, we have the party.

Then on the 17th, guess what? We do it all again. It's all these other people who, think that my birthday I hope that doesn't catch on because every day you'll be celebrating your birthday. Here we go. So what I'm saying is I think this calls,

they thought, well, he's out of it. He's gone crazy. Because somehow another, the stories they're hearing, they've gone, he's insane. So these stories had to be and look, we're talking about demons coming out and he's healing people.

So I think they just thought, now look, he's always been a model person. We've never seen any mess up. He's done all this. But now all of a sudden he's claiming that he can drive out demons. I think that he was doing things that they had never seen or heard. And they thought, well, he's gone crazy.

You can't. Now, wait a minute. It's one thing to be a reputable human being. It's another thing claiming that you have power. You can raise people from the debt. The dude has gone. because why did it move to insanity is my point? I think, I think, Jace, they must have, if, let's face it, if they didn't believe in him when he started his ministry, that also means that they didn't believe the story that Mary and Joseph were telling that Mary got pregnant by the Holy Spirit.

Well, I agree. I'm saying it, but it moved past that into insanity. Yeah. To me, that's, you're claiming to do things that are insane. And the only thing I can think of, somebody's pulling up, is miracles. And look, I mean, it's like that preacher story. What was that story that guy said? So there's a guy in the mental ward.

And he's saying, I'm Napoleon, I'm Napoleon, I'm Napoleon, I'm Napoleon. You've heard this, Al? Yeah, somewhere, but I don't remember. I'm Napoleon. Well, the guy next to him and the bed next to him says, well, who told you that? And he said, God did. And the guy next to him said, oh, no, I didn't. And the point is, everybody's crazy here because this is not that, you know, you have your own narratives of what's going on.

I mean, in your own way, because to me, calling Jesus crazy. is crazy. Who's the crazy one here? I mean, for you to not acknowledge, because Jesus is the son of God and he was in your family and now you think he's crazy, which makes you crazy. But it shows you how hard it is for human beings when they can't explain something. People don't like the inexplicable. I mean, you know, that's why people are infatuated with UFOs and, you know, all these things because nobody likes not knowing. truth is out there. You know,

you hear people say that. So when this was going on, I mean, you got it, here's his family saying, he's crazy. And here the other side, the religious people are saying,

oh, no, he's not crazy. He has a demon. But both of them had a problem with the inexplicable. They couldn't explain what Jesus was doing in some, some, you know, otherworldly way.

And so they just labeled it. Well, before we move to the second story, which, because it is, all of a sudden, because there's been more printed about this second story as far as from a controversial standpoint.

I do want to make the application on, that's why later when Jesus, remember when the Pharisees tried to trap him and they said, you know, what if a woman or a man, I can't remember, is married seven times, you know, at the resurrection, who's going to be your husband?

Yeah, exactly. And, you know. Seven of them. And he made that point. He's like, you don't, you're ignorant because you don't know the power of God or the scriptures. And people won't be given in marriage. They'll kind of be like the angels, you know, remember that passage? Well, you understand it perfectly here once you read this because your relationship with God and being a part of that family, that's eternal.

This is to populate the earth. This is to show the idea of family, which God's desire. goes back to him making male and female, and that's where kids come from, a male and a female, getting together. But at the resurrection, look, we're going way beyond. Once you're an eternal being like Jesus, having the body of Jesus,

you know, we'll be like him, 1st, John 3. Well, I'm not sure on all the details of how that works, but I know one thing, we don't have to take into account how many times I was married here, that he was, like it's almost like it was a he was making fun of it you're you're not thinking big enough so i do think it's important but i also think it's important when you read other verses when it says

that jesus said i didn't come to bring peace because we all talk about the peace that we have in christ is is so treasured you know in our minds but he he continues that verse it came to bring a sword and he starts talking about families being devised it. Well, that seems to fly in the face. They're like, well, why would God want to disrupt families? Because if your whole family is saying you're crazy for following Jesus, they're crazy. Not you. It's not worth you losing your eternal existence as part of God's family because your family saying, you're a crazy. What are you some kind of Jesus freak, you know? And that happens every day in the spiritual warfare of kingdom living.

Sure it is. Every day people show up, every Sunday people show up that are crying because their family has disowned them because they put their faith and trust in Jesus and they think Jesus is a madman. They do. And the reason they think that is because who is attacked in crazy people, in legitimately, mentally challenged people's minds, who is always front and center of them? And it's Jesus.

You know, people don't go around and say, you know, I'm Buddha. It's always Jesus. Because I think in the spiritual warfare of life, Jesus has the most power. He has the most evidence. He makes the most sense. And so he's always going to be the one attacked. And even Hollywood, you see it. It's just filled with references of insane people talking about Jesus.

And I just don't think that's a coincidence. You know what I mean? Or that they're God, right? So let's take another break. And, Jace, you're right. And even a bigger part of the world, like we're kind of looking at through our lens in America. And you still see people that have to get out of family situations to follow Christ sometimes. But in the rest of the world, especially, and Jay's, you've met many of these people.

When you make a decision to leave a certain religion and become a Christian, you are a disowned forever. That's right. I mean, they erase your name out of the family tree. Yep. So, I mean, there are people all over the world that by following Christ, they are having to leave everything they've known. Jesus did say, if they hated me, they will hate you also.

Well, look, and there is hope, though. There's multiple passages, you know, the one in First Corinthians about remaining in the situation when you were called, and there's the one in Peter, which, you It says if a man has a, if a woman has a man that's unbelieving, you know, she may win him over by her good deeds. And look, there's happy endings and people come to Christ. But there's also a lot of difficulty when people in your family are not believers in Jesus. I mean, it creates a ton of difficulty. And it's actually the hardest people for you as a family member to reach.

and I've learned that. You know, you need, it sometimes it takes, you know, a posse, a Jesus posse to get someone to see, you know, Jesus for the first time. Because when you're in the family, and I think that's what happened here, you're just not taking your family members seriously. And they weren't taking him seriously. They're like, oh, you're the son of God. Really? That's what you're going with? I remember us being down at the creek and all this stuff that's not recorded in the New Testament

about Jesus's life. Well, they have it recorded in their brain because they saw it every day. And they concluded, you're a great person because we know he never sin. So, I mean, I think they would have to acknowledge it. You're not the son of God. And it wasn't because it was personal. It was just this is so crazy that it can't be true. Now, having said all that, who is the son of God?

in the upper room amongst the believers in Acts chapter one post resurrection, the same people who right here said, no, well now they said, yeah, because what happened? And we all have concluded and deducted that when they saw their brother, Mary saw her son, when they saw him come back from the dead, well, that was a game changer. You're no longer crazy. You've been cured from insanity. You are the son of God, which is awesome evidence. I don't know how people even get around that.

So the second story that's within the story, he then goes, he pivots, but it's still, I think, part of the same group, whether you think Jesus is crazy or a liar, either one will doom you. Jesus, let's see, what is it, verse 22.

And the teachers of the law who came down from Jerusalem said, he is possessed by Bielzebub. And I did a little study on this, which basically is an Old Testament reference to the evil one, Satan. He is possessed by Bielzab by the prince of demons, he is driving out demons.

Because they had to figure out how has he had this power? Because even though they didn't want to acknowledge him as the son of God, I mean, the man's healing, he's doing man. miracles that are not kind of like the miracles we argued about a couple of podcasts ago or the supernatural workings. These are things like the guy's hand out. That'd be like you cutting your middle finger off and then Jesus says stretch out your hand and then it's back. Well, you have to

acknowledge that there's some power that's enabling him to do that. That's why the zombies are all around him trying to be healed. So they said, they accuse him of that. So Jesus, called them and spoke to them in parables. How can Satan drive out Satan? If a kingdom is divided against itself, that kingdom cannot stand. If a house is divided against itself, that house cannot stand. And if Satan opposes himself and is divided, he cannot stand. Is in his come.

In fact, no one can enter a strongman's house and carry off his possessions unless he first ties up the strongman. then he can rob his house, which actually, you know, I thought about, I wonder if he was thinking when he did overcome the evil one, being tempted in 40 days, you know, for the 40 days a chapter ago, if he was kind of thinking about that when he shared this. I mean, look, they're human beings, and you're like, well, she should have known and she did. You don't know what you don't know. That's a lot to put on somebody.

He died. It's one thing to give birth to, you know, a son when you're a virgin. it's another thing, even though you would think you would make that conclusion, it's another thing for that son to grow up and be an adult and die. And you have to go through all that misery because that's the worst pain. Just think of that. On the planet is losing a son or dog. It was asked about the human mind.

I think that's why this was a slow process, which is why don't tell anybody, hang on, because it just it took him living the way he did and going through the process for us to wrap our minds around the possibility. Right after the funeral, if I walked up out here before we having this podcast about a week later, and I walk up out there, they said, Phil's out there. You'd say, you know, look, you know, don't be. Well, that would be mean and cruel. Yeah. Yeah.

So let me finish reading this. So could we don't have much time. Let's take our last break. So he says, I tell you the truth, verse 28 of 3. All the sins and blasphemies of men will be forgiven them. But whoever blasphemies against the Holy Spirit will never be forgiven. He is guilty of an eternal sin. And I want to read this last verse because for all the debates and all the confusion on what exactly that is,

I think he realized that. And so he clarifies and says, he said this because they were saying he has an evil spirit. So there it is. They think he's a liar. They think he's doing this by the power of Satan. He has an illustration because that makes no sense. Why would you be casting out deep?

demons if they were under the power of Satan. If you were under the power of Satan, why would you be casting them out? It makes no sense. But that's all they got. And so they sure wasn't going to acknowledge him as something righteous and from God. So then he says this, but the profound statement, I'll give you my take, that if you look at Jesus and you say, you know, his light is darkness. if you say his truth is a lie, if you say his righteousness is sinful, if his existence is demonic, well, it's an unforgivable sin.

There's never going to be a way you're going to be in, you know, relationship with him. If you're calling everything he does, the opposite, which would be evil. It's not like some grand idea where you're like, now, I want to. wonder if I've ever done that. That's pretty clear. You're calling Jesus evil. That's never going to work in a relationship because he's not. It's all a lie. So I don't think it's just a, I mean, verbal thing. It's more of this is your heart where you're viewing God and who he is through Jesus. The complete opposite way is saying it's evil or satanic. It's unforgivable. Yep. I think to this point, Jase, you're on target. And I think

the reason he tells this truth in the same context of the parables about Satan is because think about what he's saying is Satan can't be against Satan and what you're claiming me of can't happen either. Jesus can't be God without the Holy Spirit. And so I think it's very simple. The unforgivable sin is to deny that Jesus and the Holy Spirit are one and that that's where the power is. So it's people have made it much bigger. about it. It's really simple. It's the same way you can't separate Satan from evil. You can't separate Jesus from good or Jesus from his power source. I think they were calling it evil, though. It's like the vehicle at which Jesus was doing the things that they were addressing was the

Holy Spirit. Well, they were, if you call the Holy Spirit demonic, you're, you're, you're blaspheming the very vehicle that would allow you to obtain righteousness and purification. You know, it's like, I think that's what his point was, because the same Holy Spirit indwells us. So if you're saying the Spirit that Jesus had, the Holy Spirit, or is, I mean, it's hard to describe Jesus, you know, in that like, he just is. He is part of God, the Father, you know, he is the Holy Spirit, but he's also the Holy Spirit. Once he was baptized, the Holy Spirit carried him to have this meeting with the evil one, but it also allowed him to do all these miracles.

Well, if you're blaspheme against that, that's the same spirit that would indwell you and transform you. So it would be unforgivable because that same spirit you need. And if you're claiming it's demonic, well, how is that going to transform your demons and sinful behavior? That's what I think. You can't get to the power of Jesus' sacrifice of himself except by means of the Holy Spirit. Because those go together. You can't have one without the other.

And so I think that's the point. It's the inseparable nature of God. You have to embrace all. And you can't deny any part of who God is and be right with him. I mean, it's in your right. What makes it unforgivable is the fact you've lost your pathway to having a relationship. So, I mean, I think if you look at it at its simplest level, it makes the most sense. Because the last verse in 30 says he said this because they were saying he has an evil spirit.

Well, right. And there's a passage, well, I was just going to mention, there's a passage in Isaiah 5 where it starts, it just shows when you start calling evil good and good evil. And that's what my alert comes up on this earth today. When I hear people calling something that is obviously sinful behavior and obviously evil, when they start calling that justified and good, a red flag goes up. because that's a dangerous place to be. Yeah, I agree. We're out of time for the podcast, but I do want to talk a little bit more about that in the overtime. So if you want to follow us over, it's blazesp.com slash unashamed. You subscribe to Blaze.

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