Unashamed with the Robertson Family - Ep 565 | Jase Has Another Gas Station Encounter & What Will Happen in the End Times?

Episode Date: October 16, 2022

Jase describes his most recent gas station encounter with a fan. Jase and Zach get into the usage of words like "eschatology" and "syntax." Phil says Jase's poker playing is definitely gambling. Al's injured finger gives him trouble when he's preaching. What will happen in the end times — and what does that even mean? What is the "rapture?" And will it actually happen? Jase believes it's okay for Christians to disagree about the end times — it's not a factor in salvation, so it's okay if we don't all agree about the "how." - Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

I am unashamed. What about you? Yeah, I got it. I'm putting my Bible back together. This is just a disaster. I think I got it now. Y'all notice you got a, that's when I start looking for another one when they get to this. Well, I think you're there. It's complicated, Phil. It's complicated. The bottom line is when you're having to re-piece your Bible back into its original format, You may be time for a new Bible. I'm a man of history.

Me in this Bible, I've been through a lot together. It's painful, though, for us to watch it just literally fall apart every year. In my experience, three to five years, and I'm looking for another Bible, but I really hate to change because I got all of my pertinent parts. That logic, then both of your wives should have left y'all, because I'm looking at y'all and you're literally falling apart. I mean, how? Al, he can't even grab. Mine has probably been tempted. It's probably crossed up and smile.

I'm married. Now you see it in person and all its glory. So I decided to use my finger, Jay's as my lead in yesterday on my sermon. Oh, I heard it. I listened. But I told you you should have went with my idea. If you would have gone Rucker who brought up the Windex bottle and said, you ever tried Windex, which I thought was a bold illustration.

He actually had Gatorade instead of Windex. Yeah. I bought into it. He got me. If you would have quoted the verse that says if your right hand causes you to end, so you should have said the middle finger and what it represents, I'm going to do today. We're going to remove that. Not that you would have removed it.

That would have been the uncomfortable moment. Right. Nobody would have been like that. And you could have said, Mike, you're a doctor. Now. I bring Dr. Phil up there. Dr.

You can perform one of your notorious surgeries on him. Well, that's right. You should have had Phil remove it because he's famous for his surgical procedures. I actually asked the question. Everybody thinks I'm crazy. And maybe I am thinking this way. But if it doesn't, because there's a 50-50 chance that's going to be right when they take this off. Seven weeks, this has said on here.

And so it's straightened out. The plan is if the tendon grows to the bone. So what happens is when your tendons tear in the last knuckle, there's nothing to reattach it to because it ends. That's why I'm telling you, I just cut it off. Well, I thought about that. I was like, I haven't talked to the doctor yet, but what happens if it doesn't work? Because it's just an appendage, just a piece that won't work. If you cut it off at the knuckle, then this finger would still work three quarters.

I see three-quarter finger people all the time. Wow, I was going to tell you. So, look, y'all know I play cards, and Phil keeps calling it gambling, but it's not gambling if you're going to win. So. Yeah, I did a way to get met one of your people that's at your tables. this last week. He seemed like he does, he seemed like he does lose a little from our conversation. He's a little low.

I think, I think he may be gamut, Jay, Jay. I don't even know, but what I'm said is there's a guy who, there's one guy we play with that the first time we played together, because when somebody sits down, you form an opinion of them. Well, I look down and I noticed that he was missing his index finger. Okay. So I immediately didn't trust him. Because if you're playing cards with a guy that only has nine fingers,

I'm wondering, did he lose that finger over some activity involving this game? I would be much more concerned if one of them had 11 fingers, Jay's, because they might have an extra finger there. I mean, if he was dealing from the bottom of the left deck, I could see. Matt Dillon run upon a many a person like you, Jays. He did not like gamblers. He just didn't like them. He said they trouble followers are everywhere they go.

I'm not a gambler. So anyway, look, Al, so you could represent something. I'm trying to introduce a philosophy here that you're not buying into. But if you saw a preacher of the word who was missing his middle finger, the opposite would, the opposite connotation would attach to that. I would tend to trust a guy like that, especially when you have a verse that says, hey, you know what, just so I'm never tempted to do that at another person in traffic, I'm just going to remove this. Well, I had a guy out at camp who's a good friend that's name is Raj Bundy. He's out in Lubbock, Texas, and he's missing his middle finger. I think it's one of them.

And I thought the same thing. He could never flip anybody off if you didn't have the middle finger. Look, I was yesterday I was holding the microphone, Jace, look, and I can't bend this finger. And so I typically hold it in my right hand. So when I was speaking, it was like, I couldn't make this finger go down. So what I'm saying? Cut it off. I'm only kidding, because now I have to clarify when I'm joking.

Or you're going to get, or Zach's going to get letters. No, it's not letters. I've got two confrontations at the gas station over things that I've said during the podcast. But this is it about you and gas stations, just. He's got a long history. People just. That's a volatile place for you. Because they're listening to the podcast driving down the road.

And then they look up and say, hey, there's a guy I'm listening. They pull in there. So the first question, do you want to hear these questions? You want to do this? Oh, yeah. Yeah, let's do it. The first question was, the guy says, he says, so you, so you're saying the kingdom is in reference to Daniel 2. And he, he was familiar with the Daniel 2 where the Mito, Persian,

which we've talked about several things. And he said, I got a question for you. He said, what about China? And I kind of looked around behind me because I was kidding and I was trying to gather my thoughts on how to respond to this. They didn't become an empire

until 1970 something. Well, if I would have had a greater historical... We made China an empire and he killed millions in about the 70s to get them all lined out. and burned every Bible.

Well, here's what I said. I said, what's your point? My old Satan. And he said, well, there's no mention of China or Japan back there. And they were here. And I said, well, I don't know what y'all would have said, but I said, you got to remember that when we're talking about the kingdom being revealed, which I thought this was, we're in Mark. I think this applies. is when he said the kingdom is near

and he's referencing himself as a son of man going back to Daniel, God chose Israel to be his chosen nation and to work within that nation to eventually bring about Jesus. Which is why it ends with Rome. Which is why that's what I said. And so I said, so he didn't,

the Bible is not a detailed analysis of every country and every historical act that's ever happened in the world. It was just showing you the picture of how God, his scheme of redemption, which to my surprise, he said, well, yeah, okay, so they didn't have, he didn't mention other nations or other powers. Actually, Jay's his question proves our point. That's right.

That it, the idea of the empire's ends when the kingdom comes in, because then it doesn't matter anymore. What about us? That's basically what I said. I said, you're going to find yourself getting to Matthew 28 when he said, oh, Jesus, now that he's here. I said, we're in Mark now. He has all the authority and power.

Yeah. More than all the empowers who ever came before him. Well, here was the problem. I said, well, we're in Mark now. You just heard. He's like, well, no, I'm on episode, you know, 214 or something. I was like, just out of you. Okay.

In about a year, we can have this conversation. I said, let's do a rule from here on now. Once you catch up. The next time you see me at a gas station, pull in and we'll chat. Because within the future 300 podcasts have transpired since that where he's at, Liston. Yeah. So the other.

Oh, go ahead. Well, let me just say that. Yeah, not to get too deep into what is termed is our eschatological view of the book of Revelation. Don't be using one. Zach. Nobody knows. There's the complaint against Zach.

I'm going to say that. You've got to define. Eschatology and never saw that. Let's define that. Zach juxtacose the eschatology. No, let's define that before you continue. The end times, like what's the end times going to look like? And what does it all mean?

And our position, you know, we, and this is controversial, so don't get mad, you know, but I think all four of us agree. Like we don't subscribe to, you know, the rapture or the whole. millennial rain and all that. But those who do would interpret Daniel 7, they would probably say China's one of the beast in there. So they're looking at it as a lot of this is yet to unfold. The position that we're coming at this from is that this is a prophecy that's already occurred. It was not when it was written.

It hadn't occurred yet, but it was going to occur. And it was accomplished in the book of Revelation primarily, like as this idea of the of the Roman Empire, you get the burning of the temple at 80-70. So we're looking at kind of this whole thing as a lot of, not all of it, but a lot of it is already occurred, which is the, that's, but that's the debate. And, you know, I mean, I told someone the other day, like, it's, you can't, I mean, look, it's, it's complicated. We're not hanging our hat on this.

This is not like, hey, this is what, you know, Jason, you should wear a shirt, but, you know, we could be wrong. Yeah. Well, my other, my other person that asked the question. which he was not as friendly about it. He said, he just rolled down his window as he's driving by and said, baptism has nothing to do with water. You're preaching the Bible incorrectly.

And I said, Jesus is Lord. I mean, I didn't know what. This is a drive-by hollering. It was the first time I've had a drive-by rain of spiritual. the first time you ever hear of any kind of anything about baptism, it's associated with water. The guy that brought it on was John the Baptist. And he was going to the Jordan River. Well, he's not here.

He's diving in a truck somewhere. But he seemed angry. It looked like he had it on his chest about it. I did want to say something to Zach. Well, he said, now I do believe in the rapture if you're, You're talking about First Thessalonians five. Now, the, if the, the word rapture is not in the Bible. Eschatology, I just looked it up.

It does mean, I never heard that phrase. It's not in the Bible either, I don't believe. No. I don't remember that. But what you were right is that, you're smarter. But I will say, so because I asked the guy one time, I think you're talking about a lot of people believe that the kingdom, Some people believe we'll be established at a later time from right now, and there'll be this war and, like, post-rapture, these things are going to occur.

I believe that we will be caught up in the air. If you mean rapture, caught up together in the air with Jesus, and we, however you want to phrase that, leave together to be a part of God's forever family. Well, I do believe in that. Yeah, and most of them think there's a thousand year period or some period in between. And a lot of us off the, but I mean, my take is, I've always taken revelation as being, it's an apocalyptic book, but it's written specifically to a group of people. And I think he lays it out pretty clearly in the first three chapters that it's aimed at these seven churches. And the idea is you've got to hold on through this, what's coming,

because we're going to win the war. And they did. And they did. But most people believe, in the religious world, I think we should unite whether you believe there's going to be a thousand year period in between or we just all go up together. I don't think I've ever met someone that believes this is some kind of salvation

issue or, you know, how... You know, that's interesting. That's a great point, Jay's, because I was thinking about that, looking, when studying back through our text again. And I think you know, it almost looks like, because it seems like it's a little bit almost unfair that Jesus is being more specific with these parables.

in Mark 4 with his disciples than with the larger crowd. But I think it speaks to what we're talking about here today on the podcast. For believers, we can argue about eschatology or debate, I should say, not argue. We can talk about baptism and its application. But that's inside. When we're speaking to people that don't know Jesus, we have to stay focused there, whether we have different on the inside. And I think he's showing that.

There is an inside and outside because when he's telling these parables, his time hasn't come yet. So he's putting it out there to see who's serious about wanting to follow. He's checking the sword. Exactly. Well, our whole last podcast was talking about the critical ideal that you need to, and how you listen and being open-minded. Right.

And so, look, I listen to speakers all the time that I don't agree with a lot of what they say. And it, I mean, that's okay. Yeah. Because they say a lot of good things. That's right. You know, now I'm not going to listen to somebody he doesn't believe that Jesus is the son of God or his Lord. No. Right.

I draw the line there, but this kind of stuff, it doesn't bother me at all. But I think a lot of people in religion or church, if they hear one thing that they don't agree with, it's a stop eject moment. It's a roll down your window as you pass one by. It was a drive-by hailing of words, you know, that was not, you know, I don't know. How do you respond to that? Well, it's hard to. Hang on that. Hang on that.

Let's take our first break. Yeah, I think it's a failure on our part because of our Western mentality and how we approach spiritual transformation. You know, it's like we read the Bible as like almost just educationally or it's like we're dividing it on its grammar and its syntax and all that. But truly, I mean, you think about what the Hebrew writer says that the Bible, that the word, it divides spirit. And so it's living, it's breathing. And I think when we hang up on these things that we could be. wrong on. And I always get really skeptical. If you're super confident on something to the point where you're willing to divide the church over it, particularly on these secondary and tertiary

issues like eschatology or your view of baptism or things like that, like I'm not going to count someone as not a brother or not do fellowship with them because we have different opinions on these things. I think I'm right on everything I believe until I realize I'm not right on it anymore. And then you, I mean, I've changed my views a lot. So there's, we got to have that humility moving into reading God's word and not reading it as simply a way to gain a bunch of information because the truth is that information alone does not lead to transformation at home. Transformation comes from really soaking in the spirit of what is written in these texts and what's being revealed who is God himself. Yeah, is a person, which is what we're focused on.

That plus, we can't forget that when Mark, started. In other words, he said, I'll just give you five of them right quick. Well, before you do, for everybody listening like me, syntax is a set of rules for an analysis of language, the branch of linguistics that deals with, so it's words and phrases to create well-formed sentences and language. That's right. Well, I didn't know.

You're using words. You're proving my point. If somebody walked in and said, hey, let me check your syntax. I'd say, let me tell you something. You got to remember. I got a gun. You got a dictionary. There's no argument.

There's no argument with what is projected right in front of us, Zach. There's no argument with one thing. Sorry, Phil. Go. The time has come. Jesus talking. The kingdom of God is near. I take him at his word.

And listen to this. Repent. and believe the good news. What we're saying is everything we're talking about. Now, that's one in the book of Mark. Well, that's a big one. I think that's a big one. That's why I'm giving it to you.

You say whatever they say, we're bringing through these scriptures in the book of Mark, and we did it with Matthew, we did it in Hebrews. Everything we've talked about is good news. That's what the gospel is. Good news. what Jesus did and he is. So if someone's arguing about, well, y'all are saying this and that about the kingdom?

I said, we're just simply saying what Mark said. It was near when he was preaching, and it's not bad news. You've got it as being bad news that the kingdom is near. We're looking at the kingdom being near as good news. Because of the king, is what I'm saying. That's Mark 115. Well, Mark 3-4. There's a difference between good and evil.

three, four. Jesus asked him, and here's my point, which is lawful on the Sabbath, to do good or to do evil? I mean, he said, look, we're talking about something that's good here, beneficial to you, Sabbath or no Sabbath?

What's that far? To make good, distinguish between good and evil? You say, yeah, they were calling good evil. And you look at it and you say, well, that's two texts. 4-8, Mark 4, verse 8. Let's see what they say here. It's pretty interesting. I don't have it two or three more.

Yeah. Well, what do you know? Other seed, the seed that really did good, there was something unique about it. the seed that produced righteousness other seed fell on good saw you said well what was the problem with the first three it wasn't good saw

because they weren't open they weren't hearing they weren't they wouldn't but you get down here they somebody says do what Jesus did what he's fixing to do what all of it's good the good news it's right there in front of you it's Jesus who he is what he's done for the world.

And he says, it came up with you, you plant that kind of heart, you say, so you're saying the good news of Jesus is really good to you. And you say, yeah, it's good. So look, that's Mark 115, Mark 3, verse 4, Mark 4, verse 8. And the other one is 836, which is kind of unique. I just looked up how many times, Mark, I talked, 836. Yeah, let's see. If anyone will come to, for whoever wants to save his life will lose it, but whoever

loses his life for me and for the gospel will save it. Now watch, what good is it? What's going to be good about your rejection of Jesus dying for you being bred and raised from the dead? In other words, what good is it for a man to gain the whole world? You could gain the whole world. yet forfeit his soul it's God telling you through Mark

that Jesus will save you give you eternal life and you will live forever and what good it is if you gain the whole world but you miss that well so you just add all those up that's why I gave a lesson yesterday on

why be good and how to be good you're fuel for being good and I looked look I just picked out a little book most people don't realize this but if you say what's the one book in the Bible that says more about good than any other book in the Bible what's the one what's this God who does not lie a promise before the beginning of time this is Titus 1 Titus 1, verse 8. If you're an elder, you must be hospitable, one who, uh-oh, loves what is good. That's one. Number two, there's a bunch of people roaming around inside claiming their members of the kingdom

are against it. They claim to know God to by their actions they deny it. They're detestable, disobedient, and unfit, uh-oh, for doing anything good. That's two. Well, you need to teach the older women. That's chapter 2, verse 3. Teach the older women to be reverent the way they live, not to be slanders, drink too much wine, ladies, but to teach what is good.

That's three. Number four, verse seven, and everything set them an example by doing what is good. Seriously, soundest of the speech cannot be condemned. Still talking about good. The next one, verse 14, 214, Titus. People that are his very own, that's us, the kingdom of God, eager to do. what is good. That's five times in the book of Titus.

Number six, chapter three, verse two, verse one. Remind the people to be subject to rulers and authorities. You might not love them, but you got to love them. To be obedient, to be ready, to do whatever is good, to slander no one, be peaceful, considerate. That's chapter three. You look over here, chapter three, number two, be careful to devote themselves. That's what you teach.

in what is good. That's seven times in the book of Titus. Number eight, our people must learn to devote themselves to doing what is good in order they may provide for their daily and today. Here's my point. And here's the Apostle Paul's point to Titus.

You can't go wrong if you just roam around on planet Earth and you believe that what Jesus did for us was good through and through and we are to be like him, and all you need to do is do good instead of evil, and you're on your way. That's the point.

That's the point of the book of Mark. That's a good point. Let's take a break. Eight times in that little book. No, that's good. I thought about it. I read something, you did preach it. I thought about this, the point about the kingdoms act,

and so I've been reading, I'm looking at several commentary, but I've been reading Chuck Swindall, who's one of my favorite authors. He's just real practical and great stuff. Been teaching in Baptist Seminary for years. And I was reading last night when his thing here in Mark 4, he said, the question we must answer in light of these parables is this, has the kingdom of God come to earth?

And his answer is the answer is yes and no, which is different, you know, kind of than what we think. But I'm trying to be fair to his argument. argument. It's an interesting thought. He says, while Jesus brought his kingdom to earth and has been anointed king, he has not yet been crowned, and his literal earthly visible kingdom has not yet been established. And he uses the illustration of David and Samuel, which I never thought about four where David was anointed king when he was a boy. Remember, they brought him in? But his kingdom didn't get established until after Saul was dead. And so that's his Old Testament illustration.

It was this again? It's just Chuck Swindall. Okay, yeah. I mean, but you know, I think about like the first verse that pops in my mind is, is that when Jesus was going to the crucifixion and he said the time has come, what do you say? Glorify me with the glory that I have with you before the world began. And so there's this idea that at the crucifixion and then really the resurrection, when Jesus is resurrected, there's this vindication and there's this restoration happening there where now Jesus is king and he sits at the right hand of God and he mediates for us.

And I think it has implications downstream how you view the kingdom because if you think it's something that you're waiting to come, then eternal life then becomes like a prize that's in the future. it's like something that we're waiting for that is I mean it's good it's good news but it's not the best news the best news that I can tell you is that it's here now it's available today and I think that's what Jesus was getting at in John 173 which is in that same time period of when he's praying he's about to go to the cross what does he say he says eternal life is this when he started in mark one he's introducing

what you where you started you know the gospel of Jesus and he's he's going around saying the time has come, the kingdom of God is near, repent, and believe the good news. And I think people, people miss that in that the next three chapters that we've been in, he does all these miracles. And so people are like, they start pursuing the miracle instead of the, in what he's sharing and preaching the good news. He is the object. We pursue Jesus. Now, miracles come great, but our pursuit is Jesus. But that's why what I wanted to get to, I mean, since we jumped ahead anyway,

is when you read the passage in Mark 8 about for whoever 35, whoever wants to save his life will lose it, but whoever loses his life for me and for the gospel will save it, what good is it for a man to gain the whole world, yet forfeit his soul, well, he goes on to say, or what can a man give an exchange for his soul? If anyone is ashamed of me, in my words, in this adulterous and sinful generation, the son of man will be ashamed of him. When he comes in his father's glory with the holy angels, and then 9-1 is what I wanted to get to. And he said to them, I tell you the truth, some who are standing here, now he's speaking to his disciples.

Yeah. will not taste death before they see the kingdom of God come with power. So how is it possible it didn't show up? Well, exactly. But my point is he, I mean, there's a lot of things he just said there. One is, you know, when you read all the verses about doing good, well, each individual human has a hard time doing good without Jesus. In fact, it's so hard a time that it begins.

becomes impossible. You are correct. And so all this power you see and all this authority, which, you know, the reason we have a hard time is it with it is because we put our faith and trust in things other than Jesus. I mean, mainly ourselves, but I mean, to have an illustration about that, it's kind of like if you're trying to get something correct, you know, I do a lot of traveling, you do a lot of traveling. If you're constantly talking to mid-level employees, there's a frustration that happens here, which usually culminates with what, Al, I need to talk to the manager. I need to talk to the supervisor. Can you kick me up to the chair?

And look, all of a sudden, when you have someone comes out with some power, what happens? Things start happening. And so when you look at that with Matthew 28, all authority in heaven or earth has been given to Jesus, when you put your faith in trust. That's all the authority that there is. Well, when you go to the ultimate power and authority, well, guess what? what, things start happening then. You start getting direction, clarity. I mean, there's a lot of benefits.

You are correct. Putting your faith and trust in Christ, well, eventually when he gets to this chapter 8 and he starts saying, you got to, I mean, because all these good things are happening, people are being healed, diseases. We're going to read,

you know, girls raised from the dead, demons are being cast out. I mean, it's like, well, this is awesome. And then when he gets to something like Mark, eight and he's like well whoever wants to save his life will lose it i mean you start saying well wait a minute now what happened to all this you're going to heal me and now you're wanting to me to give my life up which is the point is what he was preaching and sharing about the kingdom and this repentance and this transformation he was laying this foundation that you're going to you're going to surrender

you're going to have to die and it's going to happen in your lifetime yeah Before you die. And my power will move in. It's available. And so I think that's where this thing gets off the rails. Because in between statements like this, you have all these glorious miracles. And people are like, well, I just need my miracle on earth, you know, right now. Because the kingdom can't be here because it's too sinful and it's too adulterous, the culture.

But he just mentioned that. He's like, if anyone is ashamed of me in my word, in this adulterous and sin. sinful generation. Well, let me tell you about this generation here now. It's still sinful and adulterous. The same thing is going on. The difference is the spirit's been poured out. Jesus can be surrendered to by faith. You can receive God's power, be a spirit-filled person on earth, which makes you a part of the kingdom of heaven. You're representing heaven and Jesus here, as he's represented us. And to me, that's the excitement that he was trying to get at in here.

And you need authority. You need that authority to be able to do that. Hang on, Zach, let's take a break. You know, I think what happens is when, and look, I'll just say that, like, this is all great discussion. And, like, this is what I think, but I could be wrong. But I do think that when you have a view of the kingdom as being here, and we're not saying that it's here and it's full full. fruition. It's not like fully here. I mean, we'd all, we would agree to that. There's still sin, right? Yeah. It's not finished. It's not finished. But like,

but God did establish it. He did bring it. The kingdom is here. We are participating in the kingdom now, the kingdom of heaven, the kingdom of God. But I think what happens is it. And him is no sin. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. But he's just saying we're pre-resurrection here. That is part of it. Second coming does do something. Yes. that makes it forever. I mean, you're right. We're still anticipating. Yeah, it's already here, but not yet fully here.

It's already, but not yet. And I think that's, we hold that intention. But no eschatology needed nor. What was eschatology again? End times. I don't even know what that means. I still, y'all define it, I still don't know what it means. It means the end of times when Jesus comes back.

It's the study of how that's going to happen. Why would they call it such a complex word? I mean, nobody knows what. So nobody could figure out what was going on. Because people go to seminary. It's far more simple than that. I mean, I don't get it. Let's talk about eschatology.

Yeah. Well, that's why it's called, doesn't? So we're talking about Jesus coming back. We're talking about the end of time. Well, why call it that? Okay, go ahead. Sorry. I don't like that.

I don't like that word. It's just the word. It's just the word. Okay, Mr. Syntex guru. You said, well, you find out about eschatology when you're You find out about what's the word they have, what's the mantra they use, rapture, you know, you'll find out about eschatology. So is that?

When you find out where the rapture, well, all the rapture, I'm like, well, where's these verses? There's a lot of debate about Revelation, Dad. Most of it comes to study. But I think y'all are going to, if, as it was explained to me, all the word rapture means is caught up in the air. Right. Well, that is. Yeah, I think we're talking about rapture from like John Darby's interpretation.

And I think the Schofield Bible made it very popular in late 1800s, I believe. Where's Darby before Mark or after Mark? Darby, Darby, no. Well, that's my point. I mean, it's a relatively late, it's a relatively late edition. Well, but we do have to be fair and say that I, like, people are interpreting this. We're sharing our interpretation. Other people have a different interpretation of it.

And I know a lot of people who hold. Jay, that's what Swindal's ultimate point was is the kingdom's not fully established until every knee bows, which we know happens when Jesus comes back. Which we would agree with that. We would agree with that. That's exactly right. So that's. I'm not really looking at it like I have a position or I'm necessarily disagree. I mean, if somebody says.

We do think the kingdom is established. and it's here. That's what we believe that. Okay, I just read it. That is going to happen in their lifetime. But I'm saying some of this stuff, some of these words people are using to describe this stuff, I don't know if I agree with that.

Like if Zach would have just said, you know, do we have the same view on eschatology? I would have said, I'm not sure. Because I didn't know what that meant. Well, you don't because eschatology is a wide, a place of ideas about how it's going to end. So we don't agree. I mean, that's what I'm saying.

In different groups have a lot of different ideas about. And syntax is the words we use to describe it, right? The kingdom is here. You know you're not talking about thousands of years. So let me give you an example since we've gone completely off the reds from whatever it's going to do. It's official. So yesterday, I see this news report, which is bothersome.

that some kids at one of our local public schools protested while they were at school. They, do you see this? Uh-uh. So they pulled the fire alarm, and they all got out of, walked out of class. They were in school, and they put somebody, the kid pulled,

there's a plan, it's a coup. Yeah. So they go outside and start Jericho-style marching around the school. So that got my attention. Is this your local? It is local. Yes. A local public school.

I looked it up to validate this. And so come to find out, the school board declared that no longer would they allow cell phones at the school. You'll like this story, Phil. Or hoodies. No hoodies? No cell phones. What's a hoodie? A mask?

I think a hoodie is like a sweatshirt that has a hood on it. That's correct. It's so funny that we have the word, the three words for today, eschatology, we have eschatology, syntax, and now hoodie. See, I'm not alone. Y'all been ripping me for using words. I mean, I mean, I'm just asking for grace, guys. They're marching.

We literally go. We literally go. from one extreme to the answer. So, yeah, they're marching around. So the reason I'm telling their story is, because that kind of made me angry. I'm like, so they finally do something. But then so they try to contact the principal,

and they're like, well, we'll hear you, and we'll have a conversation, we're going to talk to the kids. And so the more I read this report, I had a sick feeling of my stuff. I'm like, the school board said, no, sound. I'll have a cell phone.

which I think is a great idea. You too. And I assume the hoodie had to do something about concealing weapons or something while in school so they can see what's, you know, underneath. And so, but then instead of just saying, that's the rule, our kids are protesting, which in my day would have resulted probably in a butt-whip when I got home. It's like, because they're a question of authority as why I bring this up. But when he said syntax was funny as the, so the news.

gets wind of it so they rush out there and start interviewing the kids oh boy here's what stood out to me and now i can say this with full confidence you know what was embarrassing about this in every interview the syntax or grammar used by these students was terrible and i thought you know i think you're making the point you know why too many cell phone they watch Your own your cell phone, nobody used anywhere near correct grammar. In fact, I had to read them three times and say, what did he just say? And I thought, how embarrassing is it? This is going to wind up on the national news.

I wouldn't be surprised if it did. It may, may. And so. They want to overthrow the very educational system that, well, maybe they need to overthrow it. It sounds like it's failing them. Maybe they need to. But they wanted to overthrow it because they won't let them bring their cell phones or wear a hoodie at the school. But I'm like, they shouldn't bring a cell phone.

And even that, it's the rules of the rule. They're doing that because you're not learning anything. You're definitely not learning anything in English. You need a new English teacher. Because, I mean, it was like three for three, just a butcher of the English language so much that I couldn't understand what they were saying. Let's take our last break. But, yeah, to be fair, though, I mean, I've tried to read through my own kids that the way they communicate on text messages, I'm like, what are all these acronyms? What is, there's one of them was called a SMH shaking my head.

I mean, I don't know what they're talking about. You got to be careful. Usually they have cuss words in them. Because I remember one time I had five letters and I asked my daughter what that was. and she's like, Dad, you don't want to know. I was like, is there a four-letter word involved in that? And she's like, yep. And I was like, and I see that all the time.

So you see that, well, that's why they use letters. It's what happens when you remove God. You don't think it worthwhile to retain the knowledge of God. That's what happens. Maybe. Well, I was going to say, going back before y'all got off on the terms that I used where I was going with There's 14 people in the world

who have heard the word eschatology and you're one of them, which is awesome. I bet you there's a lot of people that listen to this podcast. I bet you there are. And if you know the word eschatology, you've heard it before, please comment in the YouTube.

If you haven't ever heard of it, don't say anything. If you get over a hundred people. Don't you lie about it out there because Revelation. You're going to get way more than say, Zach uses two big words on the podcast.

There's not a hundred people that are going to respond and say, I use the word escatology at least once a year. No, so you change. You changed.

Now I was saying, that's right. Now we're just changing the parameters. That's a typical Robert's to me. You see what he did there? Do you know you use it once a year? That's not what we're asking.

Have you ever heard the word of eschatology? I think if we just stuck with the scriptures that are. all scriptures God read would probably be better off than any kind of ologies. But we just use these terms, the ology. We all, like, even the scriptures are reading are, these are translations of the word trinity is not in the Bible, but we certainly believe in the Trinity. We use it, that word, the term triune God to describe things are complex. We just reduce it down into something that's easier to say in certain circles.

But maybe it's not the best, best terminology to use here. But I will say this, though, that the point that I was trying to make is that your view of the kingdom, it does matter because if you're thinking that the kingdom is something that's way off and then that God's going to come back and he's going to set up this new temple and this new thing, I feel like you're kind of falling into the same trap of what Jesus is trying to get away from here, that like the temple is coming down. It's coming down. There's a new temple. What did Jesus say? destroyed this temple, I'm going to rebuild it in three days, talking about his own body. He's talking about his body. And then not just his body, John 14 through John 17, he's telling us that the spirit's coming. And Paul says in 1st Corinthians 6 that there's another temple to where God lives now. In the Old

Testament, it was in the tabernacle and in the temple that Solomon built, but there's a new temple that's coming. And Paul, the apostle, says that we are the temple whom the Holy Spirit lives in, which is why sexual immorality is the one sin a man commits against his body. He says, don't you know that your bodies are housed the Holy Spirit? And so I think that's why it matters to all of this is because the linear progression of time of what's going on here with the Jewish nation. They thought they thought Jesus was going to come back, or the Messiah was going to come back, he's going to set up an earthly kingdom. It's going to be a political kingdom.

And they're going to regain power or they're going to have power. And they're going to be kind of the big dog power in the world. And then Jesus is like, instead he died. I mean, he was crucified. He was spat upon. He was beaten into a pulp. Man, that doesn't look like the kingdom that I thought was coming. But the kingdom that's coming is one.

They had gotten their way, Zach. it would have called out Gentiles like us. It would have called us out, which is what he says in Mark 3, is that there's the mystery, right? What's the mystery is the inclusion of the Gentiles. We know that from Ephesians. Well, you started our inclusion. Saying the kingdom of God is near,

and I'm saying here we are in chapter 4. In the first verse of, here we are in chapter 4, and verse 26 says, this is what the kingdom. kingdom of God is like a man scatter seed on the ground night and day whether he sleeps or gets up the seed sprouts and grows though he does not know how all by itself the soul produces grain first the stalk then the head then the full kernel in the head as soon as the grain is ripe he puts the sickle to it because the harvest has come a lot of people they're immediately going to a futuristic view of whatever that means right but then when you

read the next one. Look, again, he said, what shall we say? The kingdom of God is like, or what parable shall we use to describe it? It is like a mustard seed, which is the smallest seed when you plant in the ground, yet when planted it grows and becomes the largest of all garden plants with such big branches that the birds of the air can perch in its shade. So people debate about that. So that's why I read chapter 9 in verse 1. when he eventually gets to his point that, oh, I didn't come there to heal all of your specific needs, even though I just did. Came here that you would come to me and crucify yourself and take your cross and follow me.

He's preparing them. Then he says, some of you standing here will not taste death before you see the kingdom of God come. Well, I would think that the kingdom he's describing whatever these qualities are that we're reading on these parables had something to do with how the kingdom operates here on earth in that setting if you connect those dots of mark one mark four and five and there's others and mark nine one you can't we can't form too many opinions on the kingdom of god if and until it's eight chapters in the book of mark before the bedrock of the kingdom is finally letting the world know.

He then, that's coming up in Mark 8. He went through eight chapters to show who Jesus is, who he is, who he is, where he came from, what he's doing. But the gospel has not been announced. Remember, the beginning of the gospel is what Mark says. Well, it doesn't get there to chapter 8, verse 31 and following. And with Matthew, it's 16 chapters. before this is but once he begins to announce what I'm going to do I'm going to die be buried

then it begins to clear up on all this weight of the sins of the world or put on one individual and it's going to come through his death on a cross and that's true that's the mystery that was hidden for ages the one who would come and do that yeah but in john like john chapter two he met when he cleared out of the temple, he immediately referenced that reference. I mean, it was pretty quick. But you got to think, though, Judge. John was only the last week or so of Jesus' life. That's right.

I picked it up at a later. That's right. I agree. But my point is, you know, Jesus is him being, when he said the time has come, well, he, if you just tried to get his death, barrel, resurrection away from that, He'd have said the time is come, but then he said, you know, it's finished. I mean, he came here to die, be buried and raised. But I'm saying don't minimize the life he lived before that.

I mean, he's showing you what it's like. Well, yeah, I think it's invaluable. But to Dad's point, I agree that he's describing to these folks what the kingdom of God is like, getting them ready to then tell them what the kingdom of God is. That's correct. To then prepare them what the kingdom of God comes. So I think you're right, and that is not a waiting period. You got to remember when he first announced it in the book of Mark, which we'll get there,

he spoke planly about this. And Peter took him aside and began to rebuke him. Even his apostles were saying, you're going to do, no way. You're not going to die. And that was to Zach's point because they only saw it as an earthly kingdom, I agree. We're out of time. And so we got a little bit more to say about this. in overtime before we get on to the next miracle.

But, uh, because we didn't really flesh out those two parables, Jay's race. So let's do that during the overtime. That's because, that's, uh, because Jace sidetracked us with his, uh, with his critique of your literary language skills. I only said what other people were thinking. Look, here's what happens that people when you were, said the word eschatology, a certain number of fingers went toward the stop button on their, device and then they heard me say what in the world is eschatology and then the finger went back to

the steering wheel and they kept driving well tak will let you rebut that in the overtime blazattsdiv.com slash unashamed if you want to follow us over thanks for listening to the unashamed podcast help us out by rating us on iTunes and don't miss an episode by subscribing on youtube and be sure to click that little bell to get notified about new episodes and for even more of content that you won't get anywhere else, subscribe to Blaze TV at blazedv.com slash unashamed.