Unashamed with the Robertson Family - Ep 566 | Phil Hoodwinks Jase & Willie on His Ultimate Redneck Investment

Episode Date: October 17, 2022

Phil surprises Jase with his unusual new investment — and Jase calls Phil a "faith investor." Phil has only one phrase that comes to mind when he hears the name "Joe Biden." Jase calls for Christians to show grace to one another if they disagree, as long as they're all united on who Jesus is. Phil takes a fresh look at the Old Testament story of Naaman, and Jase applies it to a predicament he found himself in at a gas station. Phil believes storms — and definitely hurricanes — can be used to test people's faith, much like how the disciples in the boat with Jesus were tested and terrified. Plus, if these guys had been in the boat with Jesus, how would they have reacted? Al recalls fishing with Phil in the middle of a storm. Jase wants all unbelievers to read Mark 1-4. Zach cautions against the biggest threat to the kingdom of God. Jase reminds us that our anchor MUST be to Jesus and why "just believe in yourself" is terrible advice.  Watch the Unashamed overtime show, only on BlazeTV: https://BlazeTV.com/Unashamed - Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

I am unashamed. What about you? So, Dad, there's a lot of people out there talking about inflation. Gas prices gone down a little bit. Diesel prices seem to not be going down. You know, you don't travel a lot anymore, but have you noticed the price of diesel been, if you had any opportunity to notice? Your mother, when she got the fuel bill,

you know, you normally look at, you know, 15. $1,800 for a thousand gallons of diesel or gasoline. Right. But it jumped from that to about 3,500. Double. Well, because you all bought at the highest point. No, we waited until it was much, it's going down now. So it was higher at some point.

Oh, yeah. But you still pay double even at a lower rate. Right at double. Which kills me because you hear all the, no, prices are going down, but it's still high. The reason I know that is because he'd done me for a part of that. And I thought, hmm, because y'all are co-owners, right? I mean, tastes is a co-owner.

The fuel is going into tractors that's working on. No, I didn't question that. I just said you could have bought a little to get by and then waited because it's going to go down. As an investor, that would have been my department. That's what I tried to do right there. Well, if I'd have been consulted, I would have said, buy. A third now.

Wait a little bit, and then it would have saved just some money. That would have been fine if the operator, one stone, Stone's the operator, and Stone said, did that tank get lower diesel out there? We did it do so. And we got a bush hog, and we got to plant the food, we've got to do this, and they were with heavy machinery. We got bulldozers, trachos, they used a lot of fuel. Now we're down to the pumping stage because it's a drought.

down here on these river bottoms this year. So it's dry, dry. I mean, we were hunting teal and water like this. But because of such a good tail hunting, it looks like to me that dry is a lot better than wet. Even Red Dog Phillips called me up, and he said, you better start pumping and get plenty of water. Because he who has the water wins this year because the rice fields will be dry and where most these ducks go. So he said, give them full board, full capacity. I'm in complete agreement with everything that said.

This wasn't the argument. The argument was when, because Willie and I agree on this, when we are done for money, we would like to be involved in the process that the money would be coming forth. What is, so what we have the right. What that is learning here is a little lesson in economics. when you go from being a sole proprietor to a partnership, now you have to take the opinions of your partners to add your decision-making process.

When you reach out and get investors, this is an economics lesson. The investors should know beforehand where the money is going to be used. You've been used to just doing it yourself, sole proprietor. Now you've got partners. But it's still working because I get a call from Stone about a week ago that I'm on the hook for a new fan because of my equipment in the podcast room. So he said, yeah, I thought the hell.

He said, call you. So I said, we'll work something else. Apparently, he's expanding the empire. And I guess I'm going to be on the hook for the new fan. We know how that works with Zach, Jay. He can't even pony up $120 for a microphone. I mean, he shut the whole podcast down. Like a lot of the land, so when we looked at it, we'd ride it into thirds.

will they pay a third Jace you pay a third I pay a third I said the good news is when I take my part and put it in there if you start talking about 200 acres of ground

and you're going to pay for a third of it I said the good news is y'all put it in your names not mine I said I'm just there to help the proceedings yeah

well it's true and we appreciate it's just an inheritance oh that's a pretty good deal we got going there he's going to have third I was only addressing the one aspect, you should write a new book called Faith Investing.

Because you're asking investors for money after the fact. And then when we say, well, wait a minute here, we could have done this this way and save some money. And then Phil says, trust me. So that's. We had a group look at the, we wanted to put us a dump up to where we can hunt more water. It gives us 80.

I don't want to get off into that. 80 years more. And somebody said, you know. We sent some, Willie sent some people down and they said, yeah, we can do it 100,000 for that dump that would cross the slew. And I said, I'll do it. We ain't paying no 100,000. Well, I come out about 23,000 is what I put in it. But, Phil, the problem is the expert said that your method wouldn't work, and therefore Willie.

He said I didn't have the engineering skills to do it, but I proved it wrong. You had one. Well, it works perfect. Y, T, B, D. They said long term, that won't hold up. Feels like, but it is now. I think I have accurately depicted the situation. We have had a change in economic structure in the proceedings.

Never, Jason, M. You never want to short change the redneck engineering skills when it comes to water. Well, that's what my point is. If I'm going to put my faith in trust in something, Now, in Jesus, oh, yeah, he's an expert builder. He's creator. He's the supervisor. I mean, I'm in.

But when you looked at your team, which was you and the local redneck saying, trust us, we got where. Because I've noticed in my family when it comes to engineering and architecture, because I'm just looking at what's around us, we're real good at destroying things, but not so good on rebuilding. We're raising big bucks over there And they're picking out what they want to shoot So we got ducks coming

By the way, We're six weeks, seven weeks out From duck season as we sit here So in the morning Even less when you hear this I will get Dan the man And we were going out there We're shutting the plates

We're lowering the plates The plates are being low Lowlates are being lowered For we can hold water In case it rains In this theme of arguments The last podcast because we do normally two podcasts in a day's time,

but you may not hear them until three days apart. So consider this a resurrection moment three days after hearing the last podcast, which I hope the title is the argument of words and have eschatology in there somewhere. I had an epiphany in the last five minutes. Oh, that's easy. Look at there. That's a big word for you, epiphany. How I did this on purpose.

you're finally catching on. If Jace can show us how he's made money on this stock market downturn, if there's money being made off that, he is a genius. He'll make money one day, but it won't be today. As a long-term investor, we're losing. We're losing right now, Phil. We've been losing since last November. However, if you look at the overall market and the arrow is going up and to the right,

three to five years from now, this will look just like a blip. You got one problem, Jace. Joe Biden. President's come and go. Hold on to your pocketbook, Jace, as long as you see that where, two were, Joe Biden. Which was the same problem. Your man on Fox Nation said, what's the first thing that comes to your mind when I give you one word, one man's name?

He said, what comes in your mind? Mr. Robertson, Joe Biden. And without hesitation, I said, hell on earth. Well, that wasn't one word. His was one word, Biden. Oh. What goes in? That was kill me.

That was kill me. He said, what's your first thought that comes out? Well, you should have considered that word when you were buying that fuel. Was I wrong, Al on the, you were not wrong. I 100% concur with you. So in response to the last podcast, what I should. have answered the argument of the war of words was 1st Corinthians 117 for Christ did not send me to baptize which is what I should have hollered back at the fella who hollered at me when he said baptism has nothing to do with water you're teaching the Bible incorrectly I'm trying to pump some gas there that's way too high so I should have read for Christ didn't send me to baptize

but to preach the gospel, Zach, here's your part. Not with words of human wisdom, lest the cross of Christ be emptied of its power. Hmm. That was quite the butchering of the text there. So when you think that... Speaking of out of context, that.

So when Paul later on says in verse, 4 of chapter 2 that my message and my preaching were not with wise and persuasive words. But with the demonstration of the spirit's power. When you focus on Jesus, which is my focus. He is the word of God incarnate. There's your word. A prophet from God told a guy named Neiman when he came to his house, Elisha, the prophet sent a messenger to say, say to him, this guy has leprosy and he would like to be cured and here was what he was told to do. This is Old Testament. Go, this is, yeah, Second King's Five.

He's going back to the yelling guy. Go wash yourself seven times in the Jordan. He's talking about the Jordan River, water. Water. And your flesh will be restored. You'll be. Naiman went away angry. He's like your buddy that said it has water has nothing to do with it.

All right. So his servants found out of camera. And he said, he'll cure you. So name and servers went to him, said, my father, if the prophet had told you to do some great thing, would you not have done it? How much more then when he says, look, wash in the Jordan seven times? And be cleansed.

Don't you just do it? So he went down and dipped himself in the Jordan seven times. It has nothing to do with water. And the man of God told him his flesh was restored. stored and became clean like a young boy. That's nothing to do with water. He didn't say one river. There's two rivers we got across.

He said, why? That argument, I'm not sure that applies. But I see your point. And here's what I'm going to take from that. The next time somebody hollers at me about that, I'm going to say, talk to Phil. That's it. Go sign Phil. He.

He. Find name on who had leprosy seven dips in the Jordan River. And to clarify, I was on the side of Mark 1, 8th when John says, I baptize you with water, but there's another baptism coming, but he will baptize you with the Holy Spirit. Which is the point. My whole point is, let's go to Mark, and I'm going to focus on Jesus on all these issues. Because even baptizing someone today in water has nothing to do, really, about the water or who's baptizing you. it is the response to a person who's put his faith and trust in who?

The Word of God, Jesus Christ, who became a human. That's my point. You don't, that was, that was Paul's point. They were having somebody arguing about who was baptizing, who was doing the baptizing. And he's like, look, if you take Jesus out of the equation, the equation doesn't matter. Right, which exactly was the point in Peter, And he said, it's not the washing of the flesh. It's the pledge of a good conscience.

So we all understand there's nothing magical about the water itself. But you can't separate the water from it. I mean, the water is. That's a different issue. Yeah. And what I'm saying is you're making a mountain out of a molehill. And it's a needless distraction. Because to me, if you can't have an understanding without Jesus, which should be the focus.

Well, we had a pretty comprehensive discussion. We've had many about that. Yeah, I remember one podcast in particular, and we all kind of have four different views. I mean, you and Zach are kind of on one side of the space with me and down the other, but, I mean, it was, I thought we were pretty exhaustive, and I thought it was pretty fair and open-minded to the, you know, to the symbol. And I extend a lot of grace in those kind of discussions as long as we're united on Jesus. But, I mean, I just don't think it does any good to, you know, holler at a fellow believer going down the road. Well, at least not have the lead in them saying, hey, I could be wrong. Well.

And then do your holler. We just spent a whole podcast, a couple podcasts ago about how we listen and how we hear and being open-minded. Because I don't think any person on the planet has everything figured out from Genesis to Revelation. Oh, way. It's impossible. That's why we spend our life. Have you figured out Jesus and let's unite as that is the foundation of which we apply? everything else that revolves around that.

Right, which I think takes us back to Mark, which is just a perfect time. Let's take a break. Takes us back to Mark with the idea of Jesus is explaining this with the parables, but he sort of has almost two different codes of his speech about the parables, because he's just given the parables to the masses, because he's trying to see who's serious enough about him to want to dive deeper, is my impression. And then he tells the disciples exactly what he means,

because they've already chosen to follow him wherever he goes. See the difference? After he chose them. Exactly. So what I'm saying is once you make the decision you're all in, you discuss things differently. I mean, we'll talk about things. I'll teach things in a Bible class of Christians that I wouldn't get into with some unbeliever because what would be the point? When Neiman was told what to do over there, when Neiman was told what to do, he was arguing with God about it.

He said, that has nothing to do with the water. What are he talking about? I probably wouldn't go to that argument to say that people are baptized in water just because that was, I mean, maybe you could apply some shadow. You think about it, it's an excellent argument because it was just about finding healing. Take the baptism side out. He even argued about the water. And you're right. He said, why cross two fine rivers getting to the Jordan?

The dirty river. And his servant said, look, he said Jordan. why don't you just do it? He said if he had asked you to do something complex, you have done. I'm familiar with the story. I'm just saying, I think there's a better. The story fits well. I do, too.

I think it's, because it makes it, it takes it, it's about, it's just something God says do. That's right. And so why wouldn't we do it? Well, that's true. And people say that. You get to the guy named, nicknamed the Baptist, you know, and you've read the Bible from Genesis to Malachi. It's not a word brought up about it.

And the first thing you see is when John, the Baptist, you know, when Jesus is preparing the way for it as you start seeing all these people, they went out to him, they confessed in their sins, they were baptized by him in the Jordan River. Give me a break. Right. But it's not rocket science. Why don't you just do it? No, evidently it is to some people.

It is the equivalent of rocket science. I love them, but. But even, I'm saying that I've heard people say, well, it's a commandment, do it. But then all of a sudden, when I hear that, I'm like, well, you're taking away. And now you're making it law. Well, you know, it's just, it's like people, human beings go to extremes in pretty much every issue of the Bible. And I just think it's hard to, if your goal of Christianity is to unite with people on every detail in the Bible. Bible, it's going to be a frustrating experience for you.

Yeah. And I think your approach to Bible has to always be growth, which I think was the point of that last parable he used just to kind of tie that off where we get to this miracle on the lake, is that faith is like a mustard seed, which means it's very small, but it grows into something very big. You know, you think about it. He said the kingdom God is like that. It goes in small.

At the beginning, you don't have much. But as you grow through that process, I thought of it. about second that's only is one three. Paul said we always we ought always to thank God for you brothers and sisters and rightly so because your faith is growing more and more and your love that all of you have for one another is increasing. So this idea is about growing and studying for your whole life and the more you study of course the greater it is. Well see my my view are reading this I mean so he tells them that parable about the mustard seed and we talked about that in one of the other podcast.

Yeah, we brought it up. But, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but, parent, parent, parent, how about this? Perenthetical. There you go. 33. That's too big to fit a scrabble board. 34.

When he says, when he says, 33. 4.33. 433. He says, with many. similar parables Jesus spoke the word to them as much as they could understand. He did not say

anything to them without using a parable. So he's talking about the crowds here, but then he says this, but when he was alone with his own disciples, he explained everything. And he did the same thing with the parable of the sewer. So he spoke

the parable, the soul, to the crowd. Well, they're all looking around and saying, well, he's talking about four different hearts. I mean, they're wondering what he thought about. Yeah, he just told the story about a farmer goes out and some birds ate some seeds and some of the seeds didn't come up

because the thorns choked it or they had no rude. But to people that without the explanation, they're like, what is he talking about? Which I think was encouraging them to seek out him and see what the world he's talking about. Because you know a handful of them, and thought, I wonder if he's talking about us.

I mean, like, some of them probably, you know, the seekers. This was God's way of revealing that he is here. I agree. Now, we can sit around and argue about, well, why didn't God come in the technological world and use a cell phone, you know, but he chose to do this in this time before technology. And I think I'm going to trust him in that, that this was the best. we do have faith in after the fact that God's doing this. And he did predict that hundreds of years earlier in Daniel that it would come in the time of the Roman Empire.

Yep, which it did. So he chose this time. So I'm saying, my point is, I think he did this and explained that and told them that. Because to them, they seem like this is just 12 ordinary guys who are basically not influential, not powerful, They don't have human words of wisdom, and they're just going around following Jesus. Well, it doesn't seem like this is going to revolutionize the world. This doesn't seem like. So when I see if you have faith as small as a mustard seed,

I tend to think the amount of faith is not necessarily the measure of which you possess, but rather in who or in whom. you've put your little faith. And the reason I say that, because it leads to this next story, I don't think this is by accident in verse 35. That day when evening came, he said to his disciples, this is Mark 435, let us go over to the other side.

We're familiar with this story. Leaving the crowd behind, they took him along just as he was in the boat. There were also other boats with him, A furious squall, furious squall. So I would like to think, I mean, at least similar to a tornado or hurricane to be known as a furious squall, came up. The waves broke over the boat so that it was nearly swamped. And look, I've been on the Sea of Galilee.

There's not one tree anywhere. I mean, if you were out there in a storm, it would be something you would be. highly fearful. This thing, Jason, it's six, I looked at this, look this up, it's 686 feet below sea level, the sea of Galilee, and you got a desert on one side, and you got a sea on the other. So to further prove your point, not only do you not have anything around it,

but you've got a desert wind coming in on one side, and then you've got the Mediterranean Sea on the other. So this thing would have been a petri dish of potential wind problems and squaw. So watch, but to my point, what happened. So 38, Jesus was in the stern. Now look, this is interesting. He's asleep on a pillow. The disciples woke him and said, teacher, don't you care if we drown? What kind of statement is that? He got up, said, quiet, be still. So he said that to the waves and the wind. Then the wind died down and it was completely calm. And he said to his disciples,

Why are you so afraid? Now look at this terminology. Do you still have no faith? Faith in what? Just think about this. I mean, I'm interjecting this here. Faith in who. So, but watch what they said.

They were terrified and asked each other, who is this? That's the whole point here. Which gets back to, is he Lord? Is he the Son of God, which is why I'm saying, this is where your focus is, or is he a liar, as the

Pharisees are saying, or is he a lunatic as his family said, he's a lunatic, as his family. Who is this? Even the wind and waves obeying. So when you apply that to the parable of the mustard seed, I think it's the same thing. They're not getting the big

picture here. They think they're this little group going around. None of them are influential. He's not acting very influential, even though he does have this seemingly supernatural power. He's telling anybody not to talk about it. He's not using it to like conquer kingdoms. He's just helping people.

And the people he's helping, other people are like, these people aren't important. Why are you helping people that are not important? This is not going to do us any good. And so, I mean, look, when I read something like this, I think the reason he's chastising him so much is what they should have thought was what was he doing during this storm? He was asleep. What they should have said, well, if he's not worried about it, why are we?

Yeah, go in there and lay down. We're with him. Go lay down with him. You know, everybody always immediately goes to the end and starts making applications, but the whole point of the story was if he's not, if the creator of the universe, this powerful being is asleep during the storm, why in the world are we so upset? It's the same thing. Let's take a break.

Jason, same thing when I'm on an airplane because I spend a lot of time on planes. When something happens and I'm like, ooh, what was that? And I look up and I look at the people who work for this, that do this all the time. When they're yawning and they're still on their phone or they're still serving the drinks and stuff and seem to be no big deal, I think, I guess there's no big deal. But when they running around and go sit down and go get on the phone and call up front, then I start getting nervous. Well, multiply that 1,000. and you have the people, I mean the person who's actually can control the element.

That's right. Because when you add this in to what he's already done and what he's fixed to do, and the next story within a story, you have another demon-possessed man and a dead girl comes up that he raises from the dead in, you know, 21, which we're going to get to. And someone else he heals that wasn't a disease. it was just some physical condition to you. Well, he's covering everything that could possibly happen in life. Disease, demons, hurricanes, death.

And he doesn't seem too worried about it. So it's amazing. We just all watched coverage, you know, fairly recently of a hurricane, major hurricane that hit the U.S. Can you imagine if you're watching the weather channel and, you know, the guys are standing in it, you know, and they're blowing around, they're holding on it, you know, and everybody's, you're all.

all marveling because you don't get to say 150 mile an hour wind. And then Jesus would just walk up and say, hush. And then, I mean, it just dissipated. I mean, that's the equivalent of what we're talking about. Somebody just walking in the middle of that and say, or if there was a guy behind the guy in one of those. It was just walking along. No, he's in a hammock asleep with it breathing in the wind.

That's even better. You'd be like, look at that guy. That guy is just asleep? No, he's dead. You better go check him. Check his pulse. He's not worried about it. That's right.

That would be the good. What are you going to say, Dan? Well, I'm just saying, in other words, if it terrifies people, there's a lot of things that go on on planet Earth that will terrify you when it comes to weather. Be it fires, tornadoes, hurricanes. Lightning while you're fishing. You said, well, I'll get away from the get off the guff shore because that, I mean, it just fury comes out of, out of nowhere.

Yeah. And now they've got enough technology. They see them coming. You kind of know it's coming. You need to get out of there or some. If you ride it out, every man for himself. I mean, it's just a, those things are there. I think to test everybody's faith.

Yeah. Well, to Jesus' point, though, earlier, which I agree with, not only were they terrified of the storm, then Jesus calmed it, and they were even more terrified of him. They were like, who is this guy? Terrible question. I mean, don't you know. You know Jesus in that moment thought you don't get it.

You're not putting the pieces of it. If we three had been there and all this went down. I'd have been scared. I admit it. What about Zach? Don't leave him. Don't leave Zach. Zach's in.

Even though he's there. And look, all of a sudden, it just comes to a dead steel. I would say, I would probably say, can you believe that? I mean, it was so remarkable. They had to say. We grew up on the river, and we'd be out there in the summertime, putting out a tramble net or something like that and all of a sudden a squall came up and the idea was there we got to get out of here he's the lightning's popping around you the winds howling so we've had a

little taste of it ourselves but never would Jesus to sleep in the boat right jay i mean it's just it's a it's a strange story but i think if you you combine it with what you just read he he was saying this is the foundation it seems small but when you're you're you're when you go all the way back to chapter one, he's like the time, the time has come. Right. God has arrived.

I don't know what other proof you could want. You know, if you're an unbeliever and you just question how this all happened, how this got here, what the Bible is doing here. I mean, you read the first four chapters of Mark, and you should conclude,

you know what? What if God did come here? Yeah. Because to me, that's what it's leading. And what I'm saying in the religious world, what they do is they start focusing on these moments and these miracles trying to apply that to everyday life. And they're forgetting. He came about preaching a message about the kingdom and transformation because of that repentance, changing your life.

And when you get to Mark 8 and 9, then all of a sudden he starts taking this into, you've got to die, you've got to sacrifice. Then it's not about what, you know, our comforts here. He was never promising them a bunch of comforts, but they were misinterpreting what he was doing where they're like, well, he's healing people. If he heals me from a disease, everything's going to be okay. Well, that's not necessarily true if you miss Jesus, the one who was doing it. Or if you're now okay and you wind up in a terrible storm.

Exactly. I mean, it's like, oh, so we never have to worry about storms again. No, trust me, there's going to be some more storms. I will say, and y'all will have to agree because it happened when it came right down to push come to shove when it came time for him to die and here comes the teachers of the law and they got the Gentiles with them,

the Roman soldiers and they're down there they said, all right, we're, where, where, we've killed him. I just, I noticed that all of the disciples, let's face it out, they hit the road. Yeah, they thought it was over. Yeah, they thought it's over. Yeah.

Even after three years. If you had watched what happened out there on that water, you'd have thought maybe that would probably do it. But when it came right down to it, life and death there, and they see him being rested, they said, we need to get out of here. Save yourself, let's get out of here. We're still just a few months into those three years.

You're right. But even at the end of it, when they saw it all, you're right, they still. Isn't it amazing that Jesus' words to Peter was apiece? He said, do you love me? Mm-hmm. I mean, after he was resurrected, do you love me? I mean, I love you.

He said, hey, do you really love me? I mean, he gave him a little lesson in what real love is, no matter of the circumstances. And let's take another break. So I'm glad we got the ladies on today because we talk a lot on this podcast about sleep because a lot of our sponsors are related to, you know, mattresses and different things like that.

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It's God drives it. and he may do things through our faith, but, but it's, I mean, he's the one that's accomplishing all this. He accomplished, you know,

the salvation of our souls, the advancement of his kingdom, it's all his stuff. I don't remember who said this. I'm going to, I'm going to claim, it's not my own, but I'm going to say it in the,

in the first person, but, uh, because I can't remember which author said it, but something like the, the, the biggest threat to the kingdom of, of God is the kingdom of Zach,

Dasher, or you put yourself in that place. And so, well, I think what's happening here is like, we put our, We put ourselves as we have our own little kingdoms that we're building here. And it's about our own power structure.

It's about our own, you know, our own power. And that's the thing that he's turning upside down, even like in this moment of the storm. I mean, that's a moment of complete helplessness. If you've ever been, like you mentioned, that the storm that hit recently in Florida and came up through Carolina, the Carolinas, if you're in the way of a category five hurricane, there's not really anything you could do. I mean, you're completely helpless unless you're with the king of all of the universe who can literally say stop and the winds and the waves obey that guy. He can stop that. So it's the perfect picture because when you think about the most devastating force in nature, it's probably what happens out there in the ocean. That is completely beyond the control of man.

And that's the thing that God himself when he was with us in the flesh, when he was with the decision. in the flesh, he had power and dominion and authority over that. And I think that's what this whole thing is driving. And that can be a metaphor, is that to any storm in your life. I mean, that can expand out beyond just waves, right? I mean, that can be anything you go through. But how many sermons have you heard? People come to the Gospels, and I've heard sermon after sermon, and they talk about how much faith, well, you didn't have enough faith. If I only have more faith, that they're missing a point. It's like if you go down that road without seeing the point.

And you think about how much faith instead of who your faith is in. So I think when he says he makes these measures of faith, because they're asking the question, well, who is this? To me, if that's your focus, that would be the equivalent of throwing your anchor. You know, we get that from Hebrew 619 when it says, you know, that God can't lie and he doesn't change his nature. and it says we have this hope as an anchor for the soul. And then it says, you know, because Jesus is our high priest.

Well, it's what you're anchored to, really. I mean, you could throw your anchor out. Well, if it's not attached to the boat, guess what? Just drags. You just lost an anchor. But people are like, oh, well, you know, I'm, if I have, I'm going to try to worry, I'm going to have a lot of faith here. If it's not anchored to Jesus as the Son of God, as the focus.

of or the filter of everything that you make a daily decision to. You can sit there and try to have as much faith and trust in a storm because I've seen people praying to whoever on a plane after they said, we're going to make an emergency landing. Well, everybody started praying. But I'm like, and everybody started believing, and everybody started holding hand. I mean, the faith was really high up.

But I started thinking about Jesus in this storm. Because I'm like, there's only one person. person I know of who said, shh. And it shushed. Yeah, it shushed. So that's what I'm saying. Don't, don't, you know, we just try to make it all about us and what we can achieve

through having this faith and belief, even the world. So, you know, you've got to believe in yourself. Well, every time I ever believed in myself, bad things happen. Yeah. Because I make mistakes. Because to your point, Jason, an anchor untethered. is not an anchor at all. But what makes an anchor an anchor is that it hooks into something that doesn't move.

It holds. I mean, we've all been on boats a lot. And if you put a, if you have an anchor on a very short rope and you're in 20 foot water and your rope is 10 feet long with an anchor at the bottom, it's, I threw out the anchor. There's a. Well, in the fact that you use the word untethered, which I've never heard before my life, but I know what it means because I used to be a. world-class tether ball player.

And the reason I know that game is because the ball is attached to the pole. If it wasn't, the first time you had hit it, it would go off out in the woods. It doesn't go anywhere. So you hit it, yeah, it's a tether ball game. So, Zach, tether fits on a scrabble board, but untethered doesn't. Too many letters. So again, Jason's vocabulary is limited to a scrabble board. Well, if you have tethered, you can add untethered.

to it and you can make untethered. No, I liked it. I liked it because it's the same, you've given me a secondary parable to go with the idea of the anchor and the boat. You throw your anchor out if it's not attached to the boat, which would be Jesus is the boat, then you look like an idiot. If you're playing tetherball without the ball being attached to the pole. It's just throwing a string around. Well, you pretty much got one shot. You better make the most of it and hope it works out. So there's a biblical story that actually is perfect where you're talking Remember at the end of Acts in 27, 28 when Paul had this shipwreck and wound up on the Isla Malta? So it tells that story because when I was on Crete, the Isle of Crete myself, I thought about it.

He went around that island. He told me, he said, boys, you better pull in here. This is not going to end well. They didn't listen because they didn't have an anchor. So a storm comes up and look, they threw the anchor down and they went from Greece to Italy. That's how long it dragged them along for two weeks. until finally they shipwrecked and they wound up on the island of Malta. So, I mean, literally they were dragged along for two weeks not being able to hold anchor.

That's how strong the storm was. Well, to make a practical application of all this, because we've all done things, we've lost drags, you know, you use a drag in a boat many times when we've lost nets and all. And on several occasions, you know, we'll throw the drag out. Well, if you don't have it tied to the boat, I mean, I've done it. because then I have to drag the drag. I had one break. And 10 years later, a fellow sat down with me,

I said, what do you do for a living? He said, I do a little scuba diving too. He added, I said, what? He said, scuba diving. I said, I need you. I remembered where I lost that anchor. And I took him up there and I pointed straight down. I said, right there, about 20 foot of water.

I said, you'll find a rope and my anchors on it. I said, but I broke my rope. I said, but you're the first guy that I've run up on that can get it. So I pointed to where the rope was. I said, you'll fill in the rope, go down the rope. Somewhere I'm hooked on to it and it broke. I'd hooked another rope, see. Yeah. Well, it's a good story. We went down there, bubbles coming up. You're watching. Within five minutes, I saw his hand. He had that anchor. And he said, how long ago is that's been? I said, 10 years. He said, how did you remember right where you dropped it? I said, because that's a great anchor and I wanted it back.

Well, right now, in my boat, is that anchor. Still here. But my point is, Phil, whenever someone is wondering how to get back, how to get their life, and you've got to go find that anchor, which is Jesus. That's going to be the way to do it. And it's not just acknowledging about him, to Zach's point last podcast, bringing up the John 17, you know, John 173 says, this is eternal life to know him.

God chose to send Jesus for us to get to know him. That's why in the practical application of all this is every time I'm involved in a meeting or a business venture or somebody's got something they want to lay on me or we have a situation with people who have made bad decisions or whatever, the question I've asked thousands of times, we're all sitting around in a meeting. and this is seeming like it's going off the rails, a great question is, where's Jesus in all this? Yeah.

And it usually stops in people like, because if it's not about Jesus in our own life, getting to know him better, or it's not about proclaiming him in this situation to get him out in the world, I'm really not interested. And it really should be the first question, right? Let's take our last break.

Yeah, the first question should be, where is Jesus and all this? Because again, back to our story, at the end of the story, because look, this is an expansion. Everything Jesus has done up to now in the miracles has been the casting out of demons and healing of folks, which is a lot. But now he's expanded into controlling the natural elements of earth, which again, who's done that, right? I mean, you know, there were some prophets back in the old days. They could heal some people and they even raised people from the dead. They did some amazing things by the, by the spirit of God. But you didn't see anybody doing a lot of this type action where you just stop a storm in its tracks, which is pretty amazing.

I mean, this is an expansion of him showing who he is, I think, which is important. Jay's this next story. I want to mention a little bit so we can talk about a little bit in overtime because we're kind of in our last segment here about this healing that happens with this next guy. Now, I think this is amazing because I think this is where you get the picture of, of everything bad that's going on in our world, you see signs of it. I mean, now, granted, this guy's possessed by demons. And in one of the other gospels, the parallel story,

there was actually two guys, so I don't know if it's two different instances or. I think there may have been just, I looked at that too, because Matthew has two men being here, but it's the same story, but I think that Mark and Luke just focused on this one guy, but I do think there was another guy there.

Yeah. Another, another. And I'll tell you, this is a movie here. You know, for every bad Hollywood movie that you've seen about demon possession or Ghostbusters, they're trying to picture something like this. I mean, this is rated R. I mean, because especially if you're a pig lover. So I'll read the story because I think it's no worthy to get it in your head.

Yeah, yeah, read it. It went across the lake. So after that happened, Everybody sitting there thinking, what in the world is going on? Jesus got out of the boat. A man with an evil spirit came from the tombs to meet him. This man lived in the tombs, and no one could bind him anymore, not even with a chain. For he had often been chained, for he had often been chained hand and foot.

But he tore the chains apart. No one was strong enough to subdue him in night and day among the tombs, and in the hills he would cry out and cut himself with stone. When he saw Jesus from a distance, he ran and fell on knees in front of him. He shouted at the top of his voice, What do you want with me, Jesus, son of the most high? Which here again, the evil spiritual world knew who Jesus. He knew the son of God.

You've had God declare it and you've had the demons declare it. For Jesus said to him, come out of this man, you evil spirit. then Jesus asked him what is your name and whenever your greatest synthesized voice you can say my name is legion my name is legion he replied for we are many and he begged Jesus again and again not to send them out of the area a large herd of pigs was feeding on the nearby hillside the demons begged Jesus send us among the pigs allow us to go into them. He gave them permission. The evil spirits came out, went into the pigs.

That caused the stampede. The herd about 2,000 in number, rumbled down the steep bank, into the lake, and were drowned. Those tending the pigs ran off and reported this in the town and countryside. I mean, can you imagine this? And the people went out to see what had happened. When they came to Jesus, they saw the man who had been possessed. by the Legion of Demons sitting there dressed. I mean, he was naked, as implied,

and in his right mind, so he obviously had mental challenges while he had the demons, and they were afraid. Now, they were afraid at the transformation, which I think is interesting. It is interesting. Those who had seen it told the people

what had happened to the demon-obsessed man, told about the pigs, to all. Then the people began to plea with Jesus to leave their region. Because, I mean, it's just, it scared them. And it's the same question. Well, who is this? Yeah. And we'd rather you move on.

You would think this would be a positive, I mean, unless you, you know, really love pigs. I mean, this is like the three pig story, the three little pig. This is the 2,000 pigs, the R-rated biblical version. But remember, that was a lot of money that ran out in that water, too. As Jesus was getting into the boat, the man who had been demon possessed. Now, I think this is really interesting. Begged to go with him. Jesus did

not let him. Because if you think about the, if you look at this as prayer form, he actually answered the request of the demons and then let them go out. They were begging Jesus. And now he bet, here's the guy who's been healed. He begged

for him to let him go with him, which why would you deny that? And I love this response. Go home to your family and tell them how much the Lord has done for you and how he has had mercy on you. And so I believe in this moment, and of course the man did what he said. Because remember, he had already now gotten the impression

that he wasn't a family man after Jesus. After this thing happened when they said your, you know, his family thought he was out of his mind. wanted to see him and then Jesus throws him onto the bus by saying my family's whoever does the will of father right but in this case he he introduces this idea that people like this with horrible past i mean this is a homeless naked man cutting himself who's under the control of the evil one laying out in a graveyard which would make him unclean in any of the jewish settings for sure and just a scary person that you would never want to do and is you know representative in a lot of ways of

our current society in inner cities yeah there's people who are hurt of themselves homeless you think they're crazy and they're running around naked right it's just kind of ironic that you could pretty much go down and see this under a bridge in one of the big cities and this guy is now transformed and jesus uses that person to go back and influence his family for the Lord and the kingdom. And even more than that. Awesome. Even more than that.

The Dachopolis is 10 cities. So these are 10 cities ranging from as far north as Damascus, as far south as Philadelphia, which is almost to the Dead Sea. So you're talking about this guy is roaming around, Jays, all over these 10 cities proclaiming this good news. And God once again does what you least expect them today. That's exactly right. Yeah, he does. And I think it's, I was just thinking as you were, when you pointed that out, that this man was like, he wanted to go with Jesus. And you can understand why, because he had experienced healing and he was with the one that healed him.

And I thought about this, everything that God's accomplishing through Jesus on planet Earth and establishing his kingdom and which would involve, by the way, the coming of the Holy Spirit later. But listen to this in John 16. When Jesus says the Spirit comes, he's going to convict the world. in terms of sin, righteousness, and judgment concerning sin because they do not believe in me. But listen to this thing about righteousness. This is very interesting to me and the role of the spirit. Concerning righteousness, which is being right with God, because I go to the Father and you no longer see me. And I think about that guy that you just mentioned, that demon-possessed guy,

he was afraid to be away from Jesus because he's like, man, when you're around, amazing things happen. And that's one of the reasons when Jesus said, I have to go because I'm going to the Father. I'm not going to be walking on you guys every day. It's going to be hard to live a righteous life. But you will become the new temple that the Holy Spirit is going to come in you and live. And now wherever you go, I'm going to be there through my Holy Spirit. So I just thought about that. Like, that's, that's, we have, like, we, we actually can have what that guy didn't have. We actually do have Jesus. goes with us everywhere as we go out and proclaim him, which is pretty, pretty amazing if you think about it. No, that's a good point. We're out of time. We'll go a little bit more into this in the overtime, and then we'll also pick this up in our next regular podcast as well.

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