Unashamed with the Robertson Family - Ep 568 | Jase’s Frog & Fries Feed & Hometown Naysayers

Episode Date: October 21, 2022

Zach asks Jase how many frogs it takes to make a meal for one person, and Jase reveals his special Hale Fries recipe, the perfect complement to a frog-leg supper. Phil discusses a Bible story about the walking dead and people's first reactions to hearing about the supernatural. Jase brings up a video game asking for faith, and Al points out the perspective of Jesus' hometown and how his neighbors lacked faith because of his lowly position. -- Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

I am unashamed. What about you? So we're back, unashamed. We're coming from different places. We've told you guys before we typically film and record two podcasts per day, although it's kind of spread out a few days for you guys, the listeners. But I'm in Cincinnati, Ohio. I don't think I said that on the last podcast.

Lisa and I are speaking tonight at an event in Indiana because we're just, it's interesting where we are. are right here. You're literally just a few miles. You cross the river. You're in Kentucky. You go 20 minutes. You're in Indiana. So we're literally right here in the corner of these three states. But I love coming to Midwest states. The people are great. They're very enthusiastic, especially when we're doing something for pro life like we're doing tonight. Everything we've done like post row, people are like excited. You know, they're excited to be together. In fact, it kind of feels good to feel like you're winning again because it kind of felt like we've been losing that battle for a long.

time so kind of exciting to be here. Zach's coming in from North Carolina and the guys are in the studio. Good to be here. Between the break, I got confirmation on my frog hunt that's going on tonight. So it's on. I'm basing this all on one sign of a bullfrog still lingering in first week of October. No problem. They're fixed to bury up in the mud.

It's got to get much cold on this. The end of the month, though, it'll start. So what is your prediction? You know where I'm going. I'm actually going to a place. There's probably a lot of frogs that have come out. They know that they fix to bear up in the mud, so they're getting as much food as they can at night, you know?

Well, that's where I was going with this. They want one last meal before they bury up in the mud. But look, I want one last meal before the winter gets here. Uh-huh. That almost rhymes. One Last Meal before winter gets here. The theme of this is One Last Meal. That's the country and western song you want to give it to.

One Last Meal. One Last Meal. We'll talk to who was the country music singer, my buddy? Yeah, who was our guy? Aaron. Aaron Watson. I like that guy. So I'll tell him to write a song about Bullfrog Catching in the Fall and call it One Last Meal.

because he's real good at the at the soft and fuzzies you know oh yeah that's really he he tucks on the heartstrings for sure you both can achieve you both can achieve the goal because the frog will get his one last meal but he thinks he's going in the mud but he actually becomes your last meal so if you get that frog it's a win win that kind of because everybody wins Everybody wins. Everybody wins. So I'm excited. How many frogs does it take for you to have a meal?

How many will you need? I proved this year during duck season because I told that story, which was a, and I put a picture out there on social media or so my team did, that you can have a meal from one frog because that was one of the more enjoyable meals I've ever had because I had a lot of haters out there who are so-called friends. You didn't reserve one frog. No, no, no visitors.

Yeah, that meal, the invitation list was three people. Me, myself, and I. Yeah. And I, once you prepare, because everything's all in your mind, if you only have one frog, you highlight the one. frog. I had some home fried potatoes, what we call hail fries, because that was some of our family members were hail, H-A-L-E, for you legalist out there. And so they did some fries that were, and I have a special recipe. I've shared that before. It's not the recipe. It's how you from.

It's a slow frying more potatoes than oil. It's not a deep frying. It's a shallow fry. Like a saute. It's a saute and you can do a potato. And what happens if you do that, because it's, it goes through a period of mush. Because I ruined the first few that I tried to do this. You make the potatoes mushy.

And then you get the fire wide open. and then it crisp the outside, but they're, oh, they're, they're warm and fuzzy. So we boil the potatoes, and then we get it in the skillet and smash them where they're seared. They get that caramelization on the outside. This is a little bit of that. The dashers got them the smashed potatoes, but they're really good, too. This, the fry when I'm done, the potato will shrink 50%. It shrinks them, which is very interesting.

I don't know the science involved in that. And what happens is the potato flavor does the opposite of shrink. What would that word be? You've got some eschatology. It expands the flavor while shrinking the actual potato. I thought you would have a better word than expand. But it's great scrabble word. I don't want to offend anybody on this podcast.

You know, Zach, that I went home immediately after that last podcast. Because my wife always says, how'd the podcast go when I come? And it's always interesting because I don't know because I don't listen to them. But every once in a while, I'm like, well, that went off the rails. I don't know. Maybe, you know, I hope the Lord works it out or whatever. But when she asked me on this occasion, I said, well, Zach, was there and she she loves your uh you know listening to you Zach from your theology of the

Bible because we're similar you know which is because we've said that before we have similar theology I said but the first sentence out of Zach's mouth I said he used eschatology and syntax which got an immediate eye roll and do you know what she said do you know because I didn't say anything else Do you know the first sentence out of her mouth? She said, well, there's probably less than 100 people who knew what those two words meant, who listened to y'all's podcast. So that was either a little jab at the listeners of our podcast and the sophistication, or you're using way too big a word, Zach.

We will find out. Tom, we'll see what the... I know there'll be just people that are emailed, but I know there's like a big group of you guys that listen to us and gals on the Facebook group. So, and I get those reports from Steve and others who are working with you guys. And so I want you to post and tell on there what, who's right about this? Is it, is it Jace or is I want to know now? Because Unashamed Nation needs to speak into this.

So we'll know. And then we'll see what people say. Well, no, wait a minute. If you're going to make a competition out of this, I'm going to say. I leave it. You don't have to sell anything. Just let it. Let it.

But the question was, how many frogs and nobody had ever answered it? Okay. How many frogs do you need? Because you just sit there made a man. That was a good. You need more, as a rule, you need more frogs than people. There was a man in your stage of your life who's not known for his memory, you have really knocked it out of the park because you're right.

I had forgotten the original question. I would say the perfect amount for a family of. four would be a dozen. Leashed. Oh, I'm saying, yeah. I mean, that's a, that's a frog. You have small frogs with smaller legs and big frogs with big legs. How profound.

So the size of the frog becomes a pertinent question. That is true. But the younger they are, the more tender they are. Oh, you're right. You have to know how to cook frogs or you mess them up. Well, exactly. Jace, I've noticed when you go, if you eat frogs out somewhere, like there's some places that'll have frog legs and then we're in France filming, you had them over there too. And they're always small.

I've never seen big frogs at a place where you buy frogs. No, I have. I have. So that's not a 100% rule. I have seen. I just never have. And there is a level they get too big. And I've told you, I've always wanted to go to Africa because the world's largest frog dwells there.

and they don't eat them. Just be having frogs on a body of water is a good testament. That's good water. Yeah. Frogs don't survive if the water is tainted with something. Nope. It has to be good water. Fresh water.

Really? Oh, yeah. Okay. They do way better. I've seen some places where I've caught some frogs that the water didn't look like. I don't know if I'd drink it if I was. Yeah, there's some rugged terrain where frogs live. Well, I mean, just the, you know, it's usually swampy.

Yep. But it's full of life, you know, what we think is, you know, pigs like mud and frogs like swampy. Plus, there's a rule of frog hunters never reveal where you got them. Well, exactly. Yeah, they're very secretive. And you never print out the invitation list either to the meal. No.

It's the party that never. It's the party that never. happen with no invitation. Secret society among frog hunters is you're never invited or listed on the, what do they call it, the RSVP. There's no R-SV-P. Check-S. Check-no. Which, so what was you saying? So, Jay, do you think the frogs in the plague back in Egypt and Exodus? Do you think those were bullfrogs? I don't. I don't. I don't. I think they were more the toad varroids. because they're more, they would be harder to deal with. I'm assuming if you're going to, because there's over, I was going to say a thousand,

but I don't have a scientific basis for this, but there's hundreds of frog species. You know. Just a few of them that you can eat. Well, right. I mean, their legs don't keep eating. Well, some of them, they actually use in warfare in the native, of our culture, they would take the skin and remove the, what am I looking for? The answer you're looking for is 5,000, according to PBS.

Over 5,000 species of known frogs. There's some poison on some different frogs that you can take the liquid and dip an arrow in, and if it hits you, it will kill you. Yeah. So you don't want to be eating those. 200 120 species are poisonous frogs. Okay. Out of 5,000.

Out of 5,000. So I would think, yeah, Al, you have the plague. I would think of, you know, those 220 variety, probably those were used. But if you, you know, it just depends on how bad you want to get it. Because when I first read that story as a kid, I thought, what kind of plague is that? That had been the happiest day of my life. You would call that a blessing. Yeah.

So I figured that it was. Some frogs urinate more than others and, you know, when you touch them. And we don't want to go down that road, but I'm just saying like your basic trod was pretty nasty. Was it the horn? Was it the horn frog that Lone Wadi told us in Tosie Wales that tells you what direction you're supposed to go when he laid him on Eastwood? That was the non-edible type.

But I got frogs. He'd just there to get. give you directions. I've got a bullfrog at the top of the heap on things I like to eat. I got the shrimp as a close second. And then I got the croppy in the fish. That's my top three. So if you, when I'm going to have a special occasion, frog, shrimp, or crappie would be my top three.

99% of the people who say they don't like the, oh, I can't eat frogs. If they eat one, they're hooked from that point on. including my wife, who said, I will never. You bring in those nasty things. I said, this is one of the cleanest animals on the planet. Yep. And that's what I was going to say, Jay, is your top three or three of the cleanest each you can have. Those are very flaky and or white.

I personally like the mid-size as the best. Well, I'm with you, Phil. They are the best. Yep. So there's your frall, your daily. frog divo for potential frog gatherings. I'm just wondering how many other podcasts open their podcasts talking about. You can buy them at your most local markets because Ms.

Kegby gets them and buys them and brings them. But they go from, if you buy it at the local market, on a scale from one to 10, you just went from 10 to 5. That's right. Now, five's not bad. So it's not terrible. but I'm just saying if you had that experience and say, well, I don't like frogs.

Well, you ate a five. Yep. So a five is a long way from ten. Yeah. Well, there you go. Let's take our first break. All right. So we're going from frogs to Mark.

We're in the book of Mark chapter five. And Jason, when we were in the overtime, because you had read this story in the last podcast, but we didn't have a chance to unpack it or break it down. at all. We did a little bit in the overtime segment, but you had, I wanted you to repeat those, you had six things that you thought tied together these two healings because you had a, and just as a refresher to audience, you had a synagogue ruler, Jeris, that had a daughter, 12-year-old daughter that was dying. And he comes to Jesus to get him to go with him to healer. And so Jesus is going with him, but there's so much crowd traffic, as Jay's described,

that he can't get there because as they're going, not only they're trying to get through this humanity, there's also a woman who's been bleeding for 12 years, he's lost and spent all her money, went to doctors, never could get anything done. And so her faith was if I could just, I could just touch, you know, his cloak. If I could just touch anything near him, I'll be healed. That's how strong her faith was. And it happened.

Jesus says who touched me. And the disciples were like, the answer was almost who didn't touch me. And so then Jesus calls her out. And I'm like you, Jay's, I think he knew who she was. He just wanted her to have the moment, you know, to finally come clean. And she did. It said she told him her whole story. But all this is going on in real time.

Jaris is saying, we got to get to my kid. Some guys come up in this moment and they say, your daughter's dead. we don't need it to bother Jesus anymore. And Jesus says, don't be afraid. Just believe. So then he goes. Why would the Lord give strict orders not to let anyone know about this? That's when immediately the girl stood up.

She was a dead girl and walked around. She was 12 years old. I think we referred to that before I give my list of these six similarities. it's you know God's plan in his time is what matters first of all and so you have the one one the easy answer as well when you go to first Corinthians too and it says some of the rulers and the authorities didn't know that this was a mystery this was kept secret because if they would have known who Jesus was and is they wouldn't have crucified him so I think that's the easy answer but I also think there was a process that God introduced here that allowed people to slowly and maturely wrap their head around the God of the

universe, the creator of all things, including us, is here. It's just, you know, because what is your first reaction when you see a magic trick, which is someone doing something supposedly supernatural? What's your first reaction? It can't be. It's a scam. You're a skeptic about it. It's like, I mean, I was watching football game last night, and the video game commercial came on. And all it was was a football, electronic football field with X's and O's on it.

You might have seen it. And as this, there's a play-by-play announcer saying, well, it looks like the game is over, you know, unless a miracle happens. So they use the word miracle. It's a football game. It's a video game. So look. And then you're watching the X's and O's on the board. And the announcer says he drops back to pass.

Time expires. Oh, he catches it. He makes a move. Unbelievable. So in his analysis, he started using all these words. Unbelievable, unimaginable, impossible. I think that was the last one because the guy finally scored. the impossible has happened it's a miracle and that was the commercial and i thought wow

really i thought are you kidding me you're using all these terms so i'll buy your stupid video game none of that really happened the way you described it and they actually was trying to get you to have faith to believe in something you couldn't see because you were just looking at exes and knows. So what I'm saying is God knows that. And so he limits the crowd who is in the room. And that's why he said only Peter, James, and John could come with him. And by the way, those three were the same only three that witnessed the transfiguration. So you got those three here seeing a girl rise from the dead. You got those three and those three only seeing Moses, Elijah, and Jesus having a conversation in illuminated, imperishable form. Wrap your head around that.

Yeah. And there was another instance somewhere where those three, I can't remember it off the top of my head. They all together still had problems with believe in it. Well, right. So that's to answer you a question. So the six similarities that I saw. So he was telling, Jay, before you leave that, he was telling the Jeris and his family were the ones.

Because obviously Peter James and John, he wanted in there to witness it because they needed to know. But you're right. Whatever his reasoning was, he was still keeping this as much as possible under wraps. And this, again, but you know what a lot of people thought. As you mentioned about the whalers. And those times, they used to hire people.

to come and wail at your house over the loss. That's why they weren't serious about it. They were laughing to Jesus because they were hired to do that. This let people know, this let neighbors know, everybody that, you know, something bad had happened here.

But you know good and well, a lot of people thought, well, she really wasn't dead. I mean, they just thought she was dead and then she came back. But the Luke account says her spirit came back to her. So he makes it clear because Jesus says she was asleep,

but he meant sleep as the New Testament talks about us. falling asleep when we die. So she was dead. And he brought her back. Well, I, yeah, I, because, because I talked about that in the overtime of the last podcast. You got to remember, Phil, in this moment, Jesus changed universally where we, every human puts a period at the end of the sentence. Your daughter is dead. We put a period there. Jesus, he, he changed that to a comma. Yeah. Well, that's a lot for a human being to absorb. Yeah.

There's a period there for a reason. That's the end. It's over. It's never going to happen. I'll never believe it. We'll never see her again. And he's like, oh, no. She's back going again.

That's hard for the human mind to absorb. So God, in his wisdom, he did it the way he did. By the way, the third time, Peter, James, and John, where it was those three, was in when Jesus was in the garden right before he was arrested. So you see some similarities here. They saw him raise this girl from the dead. They saw post-resurrection. Then they saw Jesus led in that powerful moment when he's fixed to go die.

So I think God in his wisdom did the same thing with those three fellas that what I'm explaining on why he told people not to tell anybody is there's a process. Remember, this thing keeps being ratcheted up. Yeah. And you go two more chapters. It's the first time he said, listen, I'm going up to Jerusalem. All right. There's a process that you have to. Peter ain't buying it.

He ain't buying that. There's a process you have to go as a human to believe that even though you're perishable, you're indestructible in Jesus. Yeah. Nobody gets that in five seconds. That's right. Because you may say you got it. but then you walk out and immediately, you know, here comes a car and what happens?

You're filled with fear, you know, in a wreck or whatever. I'm going to die. Oh, no, what's happening? Well, what happened to this resurrection stuff? Well, it's very, so, and you fast forward to that, you know, two of those fellas ended up giving their life rather than deny Jesus. Well, they had seen these things happen. So the similarities I saw in the two stories.

Hang on. Hang on. Before you do that, let's take another break. Okay, number one, there was no remedy to their situation. The girl, the older woman, she had been diagnosed 12 years earlier, and she had gotten worse, spent all her money. And everybody who's had a bad medical condition and then made only worse by doctors. I mean, what a terrible existence. and the other girl, if a 12-year-old girl is dying,

I mean, obviously we don't know what the problem is because that gets people's attention, you know. So there was no remedy. He referred to them both as daughters when he healed them. Well, one of them was a daughter. I mean, obviously 12 years old and the dad had done it. But the other one, I thought it was interesting that he called her daughter, which I think was a sign that this was God's plan,

we're all sons and daughters of the Heavenly Father. Three, they were both. This was an unclean, it would be unclean. And I listed two verses in the overtime, Leviticus 15, 25 through 30, and Numbers, 19, 11 through 20. You couldn't touch someone disease like that, and you couldn't touch a dead body. Which Jesus technically didn't do that

because when he touched them, they weren't like that anymore. Hilarious. Four, it was done by faith, but it was faith in the event with the daughter. It was the dad's faith that led her to Jesus or Jesus to her. Let's see. How many is that? No remedy, daughters, unclean, faith.

Shoot, hang on. Where was the other one I said? Oh, okay. 12 year journey. So you cut that out. Yep. So they both had a 12 year journey, which I don't think is an accident that Mark tells us that because that's a powerful, powerful image where you have two different journeys of life. And we're all different.

We all have different circumstances. Maybe, you know, just in your imagination, they could have been in the hospital 12 years earlier. One is diagnosed with this disease. the other's born. One's happy, one's sad, but they both wound up in terrible circumstances at the feet of Jesus. I think that's a powerful moment. And the last similar thing I noted was they all learned there's a difference in knowing about someone and having an experience with the one, being in the presence of Jesus.

So they had heard about him and whatever they thought, but they got more than they came for in both instances. I mean, she was just trying to touch the cloak, but what did he do? He singled her out, listened to her story, had the conversation, gave her words of encouragement, and in the same situation with the little girl, which is what the experience of Jesus. I mean, you see where I'm going with that.

You can know about Jesus. The earth is full of people that know about. about Jesus, but those who experience it in their own everyday life, oh, that's a whole another level. That's transformational. Yes, that is transformational. And that's the thing that I think that we always think that if we have the right information, I've said this before on the podcast, that that's going to lead to transformation,

and it really doesn't. You know, you think about the things that you do as a Christian, things you do, you still are falling short. It's not that you don't know better. You do know better. whatever area in your life that is, that hasn't been transformed yet, and you're still desiring something that's not of God. And what transformation means practically,

it means that your desires are transformed from the kingdom of Zach to the kingdom of God. I want to desire what he desires. That's why Jesus said if you hunger and thirst for righteousness, you'll be filled. The reason why you'll be filled is because you're hungering for something that he will provide and promises to provide. If you hunger for that, it's like, get all you want. You're going to be satisfied.

But I was thinking about the difference of knowing about Jesus and knowing, knowing Jesus. It's like if you've ever been to a place overseas or somewhere that you've read about, or even maybe it's a big city that you read about and you've heard, you know, these words, like we got to go to Greece. And so there's Mars Hill. There's the Acropolis. There's just all the things that are there that I had read about. and when I had a reference point when I talked about them because I knew about them and I could tell people what I had read about.

But when we traveled to Greece and walked up the hill and stood on the rock of the area, Ariopagus, which you read about in Acts 17, like that whole experience, like Act 17 took on a whole new meaning for me because I was there. I touched the physical place. I feel was up there standing up on a rock quoting Act 17, the sermon. that Paul preached. I think it's like that. When you go to these like foreign countries and you can't even pronounce the name of the city.

People wept. They wept because they were there. And I think it's like if you think about when you're trying to explain, you hear people talk about reporters, talk about foreign countries and cities that you can't pronounce. You can't remember the name of them. But once you go there and you meet the people and you eat the food and you are engulfed in the culture of that,

of that, you're in the presence of that. of that particular place, it just flows out of you then. You're not having to recall it. How do I pronounce that? It just flows out of you. And I think that's what a transformed life looks kind of like that. It's where an untransformed life where you know about Jesus,

you're having to conjure up and out of your own willpower, you're having to muster up the strength to live right and to do good. I still keeps talking about. But when you're transformed, the doing good is flowing out of you because you're caught up in the life of God. It's just flowing out of you. It's not necessarily these cognitive decisions you're making all the time. Doing good just comes out of you.

And that's the difference between information and transformation. So I think that's a huge point, Jase. Yeah, I do too. And you see what happens in all three cases in Mark V out of that transformation. So there was desperation, as I said, that linked them together. Then there was this healing encounter with Jesus. then you see transformation. And what do you see in all three cases?

Joy. Joy comes out of the idea. Now, all these people still live their lives. I'm sure they had setbacks. They had difficulties. But look at just the overflowing joy out of each of these situations. This isolated woman who had not been able to even go to a dinner party for 12 years now has freedom to be back in the lives of other people. And I wonder about it, Zach.

What do you think about this, this gyrus? I mean, I wonder what his life was like post that because he's a synagogue ruler. He's one of the Jewish leaders here in this town. But now he knows. I mean, I wonder if he ever doubted again who Jesus is once he brought his daughter back to him. I mean, it had to have transformed his life from them. I mean, I don't know that, but you would think, you would hope that he would have never wavered after that fact. But, you know, who knows?

No, that's a good point. Let's take another break. Well, I was going to say, you know, one interesting thing I saw when he raised this little girl is he says this Aramaic line, which I was scared to pronounce when I read it, but Talitha Kuhm, which means little girl, I say to you, get up. And I was going to make the point that the problem the Jewish leaders and the Pharisees and the scribes were having is statements. like this when he says, I say to you. Because they're like, well, nobody can do that, but God. And now we're talking about doing something that is impossible, that is no doubt a miracle.

If a girl's dead and she comes back to life, and you have that kind of authority. But what I did find as a byproduct that I thought y'all would find interesting, because there's a lot of charities and names around this Talatha. Because when I looked it up, I was stunned at how much was out there. But you know what I found fascinating? Is that in 2020, 68 newborn American girls were given the name Talatha.

And in 2021, 51. I just think it's amazing because they're getting it from this right here. lot of times when you think, man, nobody's believing out there and we're outnumbered. And I just thought it was fascinating that people are naming their little girls based on this story in Mark chapter 5, which I took that as a positive sign. Worthy of note. It's worthy of note. I knew you'd like that factoid. But it's a very inspiring story.

I don't know even know. I mean, people in the world. here's a 12-year-old girl. I mean, who doesn't want to help that? And what's amazing is the people are not rallying around Jesus, as you would think. Now, granted, he was keeping it halfway secret,

but you know this is getting out. But people are just not wanting to allow their mind to believe that God is here. It's a difficult thing. then and now. Jay's you were talking about names, the talafin names. So Alex named my oldest grandson, who's named after me, his name is Corbin Marshall. But the Corbyn part comes from, most people don't realize Corbyn is a biblical name. And it comes from Mark 7, which we hadn't gotten there yet. But over in Mark 7, verse 11, it says, Jesus is talking. This is whatever you might

otherwise have received from me is Corbyn. That is a gift devoted to God. And so that's why they named him Corbyn, because he's a gift devoted to God, which was just interesting that we were in that same context. But that's what people do. So, so yeah, I think you see the link together for these three stories. And I want to be able to read this so we can talk about some on this podcast in the overtime. We've referenced this. But I think it makes it all the more astonishing of what happens when Jesus goes.

to Nazareth, which is his hometown. He's been doing most of this stuff in Copernium. Remember, Copernium is where Peter's from. And so that's been the region that he's been spending most of his time in with everything we've been reading up to now. But in chapter 6, verse 1, he left there, Copernium, which is about, by the way, 21 miles from Nazareth. Jesus left there and went to his hometown accompanied by his disciples,

six, first one. When the Sabbath came, he began to teach in the synagogue, and many who heard him were amazed. You know, and now that amazement, I don't know if that's because he was the hometown guy and came back and they saw he had grown. They were just amazed at what he did. Where did this man get these things?

They asked. What's this wisdom that has been given him? That he even does miracles. Isn't this the carpenter? Isn't this Mary's son? Which, by the way, that's a slight because normally they would have said Joseph's son. You would never call him by the mother's son.

unless you didn't know who the dad was. So that wasn't exactly a compliment. Isn't this Mary's son and the brother of James? Or what about if he was dead? I heard some people say, or he could have been. That's where they get the idea that Joseph was dead, but either way. But, but, and that could be true, but typically still in that culture, you would have, you would have referenced the dad's name even not being there.

So I think it was a little bit of a slide, but anyway, who knows? and the brother of James, Joseph, Judas, and Simon aren't his sisters here with us? And then here's the, here's the kicker. And they took offense at him. So they're amazed. They can't explain it. But, you know, Jay, she talked about this back in, what was it, Mark 3 or when it was liar, lunatic, or Lord, here it is.

Now they've taken offense. Like, who does he think he is? Jesus said to them, only in his hometown among his relatives and his own house is a prophet without honor. He could not do any miracles there except lay his hands on a few sick people and healed them. And he was amazed at their lack of faith. So there's a lot of.

Shocky. Yeah, there's a lot. And what's amazing to me is there's a lot of controversy in this paragraph in the religious world. You mentioned one that he was referred to as Mary's son. And then this idea, uh, there's so much controversy about who these brothers were because some believe that since Mary was a virgin, they believe she was always a virgin. So these weren't these were like, what would that be cousins, I guess, you know, instead of actual.

I mean, to me, look, it does as a follower of Jesus, I don't have to know all these details. I get it. But the, I think the most controversial was when the wording in verse five, which. is he could not do any miracles there except lay his hands on a few sick people and heal them, and he was amazed at their lack of faith. Because they're taking that to mean there was something there that wasn't allowing his power to come forth. I always took it to mean just because they didn't believe it and they didn't want it. But a lot of religious people say, no, there was a spirit there that was a spirit there that

was like messing up the telepathic ability to do it. So I'm just throwing that out there. I read way more about that that that I did any practical illustration when I was doing my research. I go back to the old old adage that they have reinforced. Nothing's impossible for God, including performing miracles if he wanted to. I, if you ask me what I think, it was that they, you know, it just, he wasn't doing them because they didn't want it, which would be, that would be the reason you wouldn't do it. I mean, you believe that.

I mean, when you think about if Jesus, he knew miracles, it wouldn't change their mind. All right. And if, and if Jesus offends you, what does that say about you? Well, you think about the whole thing we talked about the few chapters back about to blasts. the Holy Spirit. I mean, he did perform miracles in the face of people who ultimately were going to reject him and not even just rejecting. They were going to go even further and they were going to blame that work of the spirit on the work of the devil. So you see Jesus in the gospel of Mark in just these first few chapters. You kind of see

competing things here. But one, you do see him performing miracles among people who had no faith and had in fact to the point that they committed blasphemy. So yeah, I think this is kind of one of those things that goes back into gods. But if you're all family members, he mentions only in his own hometown among his relatives and in his own house is a prophet without honor. If you end up, and you being his family members being raised with him, heard what he had to say, and then started watching what he was doing, and you still are not all in,

what good would it do to perform miracles? Well, Ann, and I looked this up. Hang on, Jay's. Hang on. Let's take our last break. Go ahead. So they thought this community was about 500 people, a small village.

They're all aware that his family's not supporting him because this episode, You know, you have a village of 500 people and you don't have... They took a fence at him, it says, when they... You don't have a TV or a cell phone. Guess what? People are talking and they're... You would think you'd have your raw, raw people,

your own brothers and sisters are over there supporting you all the way. But now, not in this case. Yeah, it's... And the people that he's hanging out with, let's just say they're shady. They had seen enough miraculous things where they should have believed. but you were writing said in the book of Acts at some point in there after he died was being raised from the dead they had a moment and they said we better get on board of this well yeah but think about though think about jace because you got 30 years earlier there's this

his mother saying that she got pregnant but by god not by her husband is what he married yet so that starts it so you know this family already has a mark on them in this community Then the second thing is his siblings, and I believe they're siblings, not cousin, but his siblings, they went to Copernium basically to tell him he was crazy. So they're not speaking good things about Jesus back home in the community. They're in with the other people. So you put all that together. You remember Nathaniel, when he summed up Nazareth, because look, we have towns in our area that we make jokes about. I'm not going to mention any of them.

No. But, you know, he summed up Nazareth with ain't nothing good ever come out of there. That's right. Which is probably why God chose that place to send, I mean, because God usually does the opposite of what you're thinking. Plus, on top of everything else, Al, he could not do any miracles there except, uh-oh, lay his hands on a few people and heal them. Well, most people would say, well, that wasn't a very big deal. There wasn't much miracles there. Unless you were the one with cancer, they'd heal.

Yeah, that's what I'm saying. That's what I'm saying. The passion is just appalling here. Yeah. Yeah, I think the big concern here, though, is what we don't want to say is that the miracles of God and the works of God are dependent on our faith. Our faith isn't, we're not conjuring up. up works of God. You know, it's not, and I've thought that before.

And if you, if you're not careful, you get, because a lot of people say that, you know, you know, miracles happen because we believe they're going to happen. Well, that's not really the New Testament experience. The New Testament experience was the miracles happened amongst unbelieving people to confirm what Jesus was saying was true. And then the same thing happened in the book of Acts. It wasn't like when they spoke in tongues in Acts chapter 2 that everybody said, you know what, I think we should speak in tongues today.

They didn't know what it was. It came on them. And to the point where everybody was like, wait, what? Like, how in the world is this happening? It didn't happen because they were open to it. And I think that that's true today, too. If we make it about contingent on us, then we are robbing God of his glory. We're basically saying, oh, we're conjuring this stuff up.

Yeah. We're because of our holiness, because of our righteousness, because of our, would that just fill in the blank because of me this is happening and that is not really what this is about at all that's a way better articulation of the issue of what I read because I didn't I didn't agree I'm like Zach I didn't agree with that to me it wasn't controversial at all it only became controversial when all of a sudden you're saying their lack of faith was limiting the power of God well I categorically disagree with that yeah oh yeah and and to your second point, Zach,

I don't even think what's happening now is anywhere close to what was happening in Acts 2 when they were, it says they began to speak in tongues and it said each person, and it already listed probably 30, 40 nations, was hearing his own language from one source, from the speaking in tongue.

People who didn't know their language. So it'd be like, if I had 10 different countries who had never studied English here, and I make a couple statements, and each one hears their language from my words, you know, you're talking about a miracle. We have a translator and an interpreter of multi-sources without any equipment or any other voice besides God, which is, that's a translator. miracle and to Zach's point and that's for God showing hey listen to don't don't get hung up on how

that happened listen to what I'm saying and of course what Peter did he introduced Jesus which is the same if right now you started uttering what we're reading in about 20 nations that don't speak English yeah that'd be a miracle it'd be a miracle but what I'm saying is Jesus is trying to to reintroduce himself here. You know, go ahead. Well, the next two, it's the next two you have. It would be the equivalent of me, me, one guy speaking one language. Like, I'm speaking in English.

And then there's 10 people hearing me speak. And he's hearing it in Chinese. He's hearing it. That's what I said. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I was just reemphasizing that point.

No, it's not hard. It's impossible. You know, I mean, it's, it's, yeah. So, I mean, that's a valid point. point and and to Phil's point he did he did do miracles here I mean it says he could not do any miracles there except lay his hands on a few sick people and heal them the miraculous was not shut down I figured those sick people were some of the few desperate people who did have faith that he was the son of God and so that's why I'm saying if you're offended at Jesus

he's probably not going to help you and that that's on you but even if he would if he does you're still up to you to figure out well are you going to embrace them enough to to repent you know transform yeah all the render so well so here's here's another less practical danger for us if we if enough seen this happen with a lot of people that um i met with over the years that have come out of a mentality that somehow they had to conjure up in their own righteousness, these works of God. What happens is, is you have to start manufacturing and faking these things in your life. And then you're living under condemnation because you're like, wait, I'm not seeing this stuff produced. And you think it's a reflection of your own self.

And so it's like, what it is, it's another form of a workspace system. Because what you're saying is, God does for me, because I, I perform for him. And that's not the gospel. The gospel, God doesn't do anything for us because we perform for him. God does something for us because we are dead in our sin and we have no capability. And he loves us and he wants to invite us into a relationship with him, not because of any work that we've done, but because of the finished work of Christ.

I think this is this kind of mentality that, to think that, and I'm not saying that this is what Mark 6 is about. I just think you can't extract that from Mark 6. you have to interpret the work of Jesus through his entire ministry, not through, you know, Mark 6.5. You have God speaking to you in a very thick book that he had written down. When someone says God spoke to me, I'm thinking, yeah, he speaks to me all the time. Every time I open this up, he's telling me what he wants me to do, where I was, where I am.

He's behind me. He's for me. so I just there's a lot of people God's speaking to them but you can read what he said but it but it is talking about that somewhat Zach I mean because it's these people should have been the first people on the list to be proud of Jesus

and to you know put their little sign that says like Bernie Slusiana you know it has a sign it says home birthplace of Willie Robertson you know well What's he done?

Uh-uh. I mean, Duck Dynasty, okay. You know what I mean? We're talking about here. You had the creator of the universe decide for this to be his hometown, and you won't even listen. Well, I think that's the bigger point, though. I'm not saying that what I'm not saying is that we're not involved in a relational capacity with God

where God works through us, and we yield to him. we do. I mean, for God to work through me, I have to yield to his spirit. But I think what's going on here is it's not the negation of work or pursuit of God or yielding to the spirit or yielding to Christ. What I'm saying is, I think what the point here is, is these people probably were somewhat belligerent. They were probably somewhat already kind of hard in their heart. And so it's not that, it's like they were, they were completely shut off because they're like, It's like when if you guys come back in the, or Willie goes back to Bernice,

not that he grew up, or you grew up in Bernice, but say he did. They're like, you ain't nobody special. I knew, I knew you and you were, and they can,

they don't even have the capacity to hear that, right? And I think that's what was going on here. They're, they're looking at Jesus, who is the son of God, but they're like, no, you're not.

You're the guy that was out there playing wiffleball with his weird kids. You know, whatever, man, I'm not taking you serious. So I think it was that, John MacArthur and his,

notes that it could have been an act of mercy on God's part not to push them further into their hardening of their hearts. It could have been just like, you know what? I'm going to pull back here because your hearts are your hearts. I'm just going to pull back. It could have been an act of mercy on Jesus' part to not perform miracles in their midst because it may have hardened them even more. I don't know if that's true.

That's just a commentary I read about it. I was just using it saying that I think he planted some seeds with his family members here by this that would later predict. faith. I think you are correct. All right, so we're way out of time. Let's continue this discussion in the overtime. If you want to join us, it's blazedtob.com slash unashamed to hear us talk a little bit more about this hometown dishonor.

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