Unashamed with the Robertson Family - Ep 573 | Jase Leaks Sadie's Secret Chick-fil-A Hack & Let's Ban Potlucks

Episode Date: October 30, 2022

Sadie told Jase about her special order from Chick-fil-A and Jase just can't keep the secret, but many people have thanked him for this fast food miracle! Zach tells a hilarious story about eating some infamous pigs-in-a-blanket, and Phil says he can cook the world's greatest Italian food! Jase wants to start a movement to ban potlucks and replace them with the culinary phenomenon known as "slow food." - Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

I am unashamed. What about you? So we're back on Unashame. Hopefully everybody's patched in. I was dropping in and out. I guess Oklahoma's like any other place. You can't rely on the internet. Everywhere I go, one day it'll be good the next day at one. I found that out about 30 years ago when they first introduced it. The Big Pit, remember. Jesus said, remember. You can rely on Jesus. Everything else is suspect. I guarantee. Now you're getting in my zone. So you know why, though, Dad, it's because Al Gore invented it.

I should have known right then. It was a major problem. I think that was the claim. I'm not sure that claim has been validated. That's true. I was thinking about we were talking before we came on air because we're in March chapter 7 about the idea of clean and unclean because, you know, the Pharisees now we're going to reenter our story in the book of Mark.

But it made me think. when we were talking that how people have a different view of clean and unclean. Like, Jason, I would say, is it fair to say that when it comes to you, if you're talking about cleaning or animals, you know, dressing down, dressing a game that you have a different level of clean in your mind than maybe other people that dress a fish room? I very rarely eat meat. that I have not cleaned. So that just weeded me out of most fast food joints because I didn't see the process.

And but you've always been really personally about that. I mean, you always have. And you, and you take extra care. It takes you longer to clean, right? And other people, ah, it doesn't matter. Just leave that in and leave that in there. Leave those, you know, this there. That doesn't even make a difference.

So there's a big difference in people looking at something that's clean versus uncle. No, there is. Yeah, I'll agree with that. And we're, I mean, look, our family, we're food snobs. And I don't, I don't go out and eat much. I mean, so Missy will say, hey, this couple invited us to come over for supper. You know what my immediate auto response to that is? Invite them here. And you say, why? Because I want to do the cooking. Now, look, I'm not saying that's right. I need to sometimes be uncomfortable, you know, for the name of Jesus. But I've had some terrible situations. And I remember a couple, we brought them to the Lord.

They invited us to their house for supper. I tried to get out of it, but they just had to do it because he could cook deer better than any person. Well, I'm thinking to myself, Phil's rolling his eyes already because that's what I did. And I'm thinking, I told Missy, I said, he has brought up a subject. And I may be overconfident, but I believe that no one cooks deer better than me. Because I start with the deer itself. I take the best eating deer. I prepare it carefully.

There's no stopwatch or clock. I literally get out every sine you. I go through a process where there's zero gaminess to this deer. and you never need a knife nor a fork. You call them, what do you call my deer? Deer Nuggets. You just grab them and it just dissolves in your mouth. It's one of the greatest treasures in life.

So Missy's like, we need to do it, Jase. Think big picture. I go out there and I just, when I walked in the smell, because I have, I know you've lost your smell and we don't want to relive that, but I have a very high sense of smell. And I smelled seven-year-old buck when I walked in. Just from the fry, I smelled burn grease. And I smelled.

I thought, no, this is an old buck. So I immediately started asking a series of questions on the deer we're about to eat. And he showed me a picture of it. And I thought, this is never going to be good. No. When I first bite hit my lips and I made one chew, I immediately turned my head, spit it in my hand, grab my napkin, and I did that with the whole piece. And when I got up to empty my plate, I threw that in the trash. It was unedible.

For a long time, I wouldn't even eat anything of the wild game. I would not eat anybody cooking that but me. Yeah. Well, I think you trained us to have this. So it's difficult. We had a house church when I was living in Louisiana. I probably shouldn't tell this story, but I'm going to tell it. I'm just not going to say the name.

And I hope that this brother does not listen to the podcast. If you do listen, just know I love you. But this was one of those experiences. Boy, you talk about a setup for throwing somebody out of the bus. You should hold, look, I believe if we all held each other accountable, we do in every other walk of life to be successful. But when he gets to food, we don't hold people accountable. You know why? Because they don't hurt their feelings.

I invite them over. If they say, I'll come over and I fix the best spaghetti and meatballs you've ever tasted. Parmesan cheese, this and other. So Jersey Joe showed up from New Jersey. He looked around one day and he said, let's get out of it. here. So they took off from New Jersey, he heard us on the podcast. They said, we're going to go down and try to check that bunch out. Well, he invited to cook a meal for us. I said, that is way we operate. I said, when you cook your meal, I said, we will say, I said, are you watching

this? It'll be thumbs up or thumbs down, no matter where you got the recipe or whatever. Roman gladiator. So we eat a meal to see. if he could cook, thumbs up. I said, in New Jersey, I said the long way. But I just found out

his grandmother is the one where he got the recipes from, but he's coming tomorrow night. Now he's allowed, I don't go to his house to eat. He comes to our house

and he cooks the meal. You can watch. It is old Italian. Old Italian comes forth in it. I mean, meatballs, I mean,

the best I've ever All right, finish your story. Well, I was always going to say looks can be deceiving because so we would do potluck style, which is always risky, right? No, that's not risky. That's just stupid. I've never been lucky on potluck. Okay. Because when the word luck is in the title of the food situation, you're already at a disadvantage.

That's not the word you won't. If it's coming out of a pot, pot luck, that's why I parked there. This particular dish, and this was that we've had several incidents with this one chef, or member of the house church that Willie was involved in one of them, which was a, it was also deer steak that Willie was about four fingers into. And the guy said, yeah, you just got to marinate it and buttermilk in the back porch for a couple days. and but the one that was the worst was he had made pig in the blanket. You know, like the, well, you take the sausage and you wrap it up and some kind of like.

Oh, it's a real sophisticated concept that you buy a package of weanies and a package of rolls and you stick a weenie in a row and heat it up. You call it pig in a blanket, which sounds awesome. And it'll make you gay. But go ahead. I mean, I'm not a big fan of it, but so he brings a whole. whole plate of them and he's got like they're inside of a crescent roll and it's I mean it's cooked to perfection there right out of the oven there's kind of got the golden brown color on them and and my buddy who are our mutual friend Gary Gary Glenn was like oh I love picking the blankets and

he goes up there and he grabs a handful and I mean just the entire thing in his mouth and I'm watching him because I always watch this one particular guy I didn't eat his food because of the buttermilk thing on the back porch with deer steak. I was out at that. So I always watch, what is he bringing? I'm not going to eat that. Well, Gary gets in there. He's all into it.

And all of a sudden, I can tell us, like, something's not right. And he's like, and then the guy was like, yeah, I made those out of Vienna sausage. So he had taken Vienna sausages. Oh, man. Yeah. That sounds great. And it wasn't just being a sausage. They were expired by like two years.

He said, man, those things are good a decade after they expired. So I'm just saying that's probably, it was risky. Why are you not? I mean, you should hurt his feelings. There's some things in life that call him up and give him the episode. I should. I mean, look, my in-laws got mad. Your daughter, your daughter had her friends come down.

Easy. It was about 10 people in all. They told me to hit the road. They were going to Miss Kay taught him how. to make chicken and dumplings and then you eat what she just made miss k showed them and they were outstanding i mean they it was they did good well my daughter and cook oh yeah she she did well no look i had to have a a you know i mean here it is i can't preach i got to practice what i preach so I wrote a book uh shameous plug good call it's been out a few years but so in the book I

described the encounter of my in-laws and my being a food snobb that was that was encounter that was more like a clash it was a clash and I hurt their feelings and we you know end up in a circle you know praying with tears involved over this issue that I'm fixing to revisit but I think we've learned we've gotten past it but but Because I just, I wouldn't go over to eat at their house. I've shared their story before. And I got in as much trouble as I'm fixed to get in again. But I think we should hold each other accountable.

So it's like we're going to eat Texas surprise tonight. My mom's famous Texas surprise. So I thought, well, they pick something up in Texas and they want to impress me. And I'm not embellishing. It was the box macaroni and cheese with squares of spam. They were browned and inserted in the macaroni and cheese. That's it. And I thought, they said, what do you think about it?

I said, oh, I'm surprised at how bad this is. I need to add to my prayer when I'm thanking God for the food. Lord bless this so that it's at least edible and it won't kill. when you eat it. Well, it wasn't. I didn't feel like my life was in danger, but I'm just saying if we have this kind of buildup and we have something, Texas is a big state and has a lot of history. And this is one of the few meals that I'm coming over to eat.

And it's something that anybody could take a box. There's instructions on the side. I mean, I've eaten in a, I've been in a tight spot where I had to get a box of macaroni and cheese. It's okay. Spam is a little more. I mean, I've had to be out of options, but I have eaten spam. But to build it up that big and then to combine those two things and try to eat it and say, boy, what a surprise.

You might be like your brother, because Willie, if he really wants it first rate, he'll get a hold of some first rate chefs and come to his house. And they're the ones that cook the meal, which that's a pretty good way to ensure you have some pretty good food. Well, Willie's also got way more money than we got, you know. Yeah. So I just ran across a couple down in Texas that I hadn't seen them in, I mean, 20 years. And I had done their premarital counseling 20 years ago. And she was telling the story. She was introducing Lisa at this women's thing.

You know, Lisa was speaking. And she told the story. She said she was at Texas A&M. And she said, I was coming back to West Monroe because her husband was working for Duck Commander. And she said, I was so excited about, you know, being there. And I knew, you know, Pastor Allen was going to really bring out some great stuff. And the first thing he said when we sit down together, he looks at Austin and says, Austin, let me just tell you something.

If you compliment bad cooking, you'll get it for the rest of your life. Exactly. And it was funny. But all the women laughed like, oh, can you believe he would say something like that? And I was looking around thinking, that was good advice. I was like, I was proud of myself, my 20-year younger self. That was excellent advice. But she didn't appreciate it.

Well, I'm going to tell you the happy end of this story. Through all our pain and misery and intervention and accountability and hurt feelings and all that. Now, my wife's side of the family, once we, now that was a 10-year rough time, sore subject. It's hard to say, get out of the kitchen. Yeah. But look, now we hold each other accountable. My wife has developed into a fantastic cook. What shocked me, by the way.

She's awesome. But now, it took years, not months. Now, with people, the neighborhood gathers up when she cooked. She's awesome. But now, look, that's not to say that those years, it was a lot of pain and misery. So having said that, I proposed something. I was not prepared for this line of thinking. but I want to propose something, breaking news.

I would like to eliminate two things in our society. Now, it always starts somewhere. I mean, Jesus started with 12 guys in a boat, you know. I think in our churches... Hang on, this is so big that I want to take a break. So I want to tease this with the other side of a break. I think society, and I cover all of society, we're going to go, the world,

and then we're going to go in the churches. There should be an elimination of two things. In the church side of it, we must eliminate potlucks because I'm going to tell you what they are. You look in there, these people look in there, and they take whatever they got laying around and put it all together, call it a casseroe, and they're not going to eat.

Send it your way. And shovel it out there and leave it on a table for about three hours. Yeah. And then we're going to go. in there and hope we get lucky. Get rid of that. So we eliminate that. The second thing in the rest of society is we eliminate fast food.

We eliminate it. And we turn all these restaurants and all this cooking and we do it. And we call it slow food. Yeah. We cook on purpose. We don't care how long it takes. we're going to do this right and we're going to call it

slow food because guess what I'll wait I'll be at the front of the line or the back of the line but if you can cook good enough and it's great I'll wait

yeah we've helped train Jay Stone who married our granddaughter which is Al's daughter he married that and through careful observation

and trying it we've watched him he wanted to be to cook things but last night he had baby back ribs with a green salad the baby back ribs were outstanding melt in your mouth and not tough they had a good buff on them you know i made a little bark a bark good bark on it but they were outstanding so stone is allowed to come in he recommends what he would like to cook because he wants it and i said we'll take what you want

he'll order it we have the tenderloin or whatever waiting for him gets had the baby back ribs we've we have it all ready for him he goes in there thawls it out one day i have the freezer does it out and then he cooks it to perfection but he's a now he's a he's a great help good no i introduce but jays go ahead jace here i got a question because i know i know our audience and i know that the question that some people are asking is where, where does Chick-fil-A fit into this? Can that one survivor, what do you even say,

get rid of Chick-fil-A? It's the only fast food place I go to because they bring a spiritual and a, a trust element to this. They're cordial, the food, I mean, it's pretty good. good, but they think you. It's consistent. It's consistent.

It's very consistent. Yes. So we have decent food, but they're very cordial. And it's our pleasure to do this. And so I can tell the fruit is freshly cut, that I've had no problems out of the chick. So I'm like, okay, and they're trying to do it fast. But guess what I'll do in Chick-fil-A where I wouldn't do at any other place? I'll wait.

why the crowds gathered there so much. It's pretty good. And they're not. And you also know if you pull into a chick filet and they've got a line of 30 cars, I know that's in my mind. I'm like, that's about five minutes, six minutes. If I pull into any other fast food restaurant and I see a line of 20, 20 cars, I'm like, I'm out because that's a 45 minute wait.

And what's happened is fast food is actually not fast food. anymore. Zach, you got to remember in the Kenfolk arena, you got to remember, not many people at this stage are asking the dashers to cook for us all when they visit. Nope, we don't say anything. We feed them. They don't feed us. But, well, here's a hint.

It's a hint. I'm just saying. Okay. Let me give you some, some. That's very unfair. Jim is a great cook. I don't want to get Chick-fil-A in trouble, but I got to say this. So I found myself on a plane.

one time with the guy who owns our local Chick-fil-A. And I said, can I give you a bit of advice? He was like, about what? And I said about food. And he said, sure. I said, you need to cook your fries longer. And he grinned. He said, yep, that's come up.

And he said, but most Chick-fil-A's offer that. Now, Sadie's the one to discover it in our. our family, which was a game changer. And our local one, they offer that. But you have to say it. I want well done fries. And they say, well, you'll have to wait.

Well, I just told you my philosophy, I'm a slow food, man. I said, oh, I'll wait with a smile on my face. I say it every time. I say, I would love to wait. Because it's so much better. But you know why they do it? Because there's so many people.

But he said, most people don't care. it's good enough. And I said, well, I'm not most people. And he said, that's why when you say, I want well done. I was like, well, that's what I do. And he's like, well, you should be happy. I said, well, I'm happy. But I have been to Chick-fil-A's that they say, we don't offer that.

And he said, well, that's unfortunate. So there's that. So, Jay, I've got your spokesman. So you know how McDonald's has the clown, Chick-fil-A-Hillet has the, chick-fil-a-h cow, you know, everybody's got their little thing. I wasn't aware of all this, but go ahead. Yeah, they all have a thing. And so I, Burger King has the king, you know, that just, you know, dances.

So your spokesperson for slow cooking, this whole new movement, which I'm on board as long as we leave Chick-Fle yet, is Mountain Man. You know, you, we're going to. I mean, he could take a 30-second commercial and do it in about three minutes. Y'all make fun of me, but when you go to a fine restaurant and they hand you something that doesn't buzz in your hand for two hours, why are you there? Because you know this place is good. And that's what I'm saying. We just don't want to do it.

I'll give Chick-fil-A a pass just because they're one of the few who, actually made fast food a pleasurable experience. It will keep you alive. It's pretty enjoyable food. They all have smiles on their faces. And it's done pretty quickly, but they're the ones moving fast. It's not necessarily, they're getting more people through. They have people walking around.

Al brings the biscuits down, little chicken and the biscuit breakfast, whatever they call it. What do you they call it, Al? Chick-fil-A-fil-A. biscuit. From Chick-fil-A well. It's turning into a Chick-fil-A commercial. But if you ever see me in front of a Chick-fil-A, you know, I'm waiting on my fries.

And guess what? I'll smile at you and wave because I don't mind wait. Well, I just learned something. Jason, I didn't know you could order well-done fries at Chick-Flea. Nobody gave me that. Listen to this. There's two things that will change your life. Jesus, obviously, and well-done fries from Chick-fil-A.

Depending on your local chick-fil-a if they offer that. I've said that to 100 people, and I would say 99 of them came back and said, thank you for making my life a little better. And they know it's better, but they don't have time. So that's why I'm getting into here. Now, it's going to be hard to fix Chick-fil-A in that. But, and like... Well, now you've done told everybody, so what's going to happen is everyone's going to go ask for this

because they're going to probably take this little caveat away. And we can use this as a capital. to start a movement across our society that embraces slow food. That's good. The slow food movement. Now, the food has to be worth it because I've seen people cook all day and it still make you gag. So we have to hold each other accountable at the same time.

If it's no good, we're out of here. Wasting time then. That's right. All right. So don't compliment that you taught us early. Don't compliment bad cooking. We said all that because we had Mark 7 on our mind because it's just a misunderstanding here

because most people who are not believers would read these first few verses and say, well, Jesus was running around with a bunch of slobs who were unclean and wouldn't even wash their hands. It's basically the picture of people who wouldn't wear a mask during a pandemic here. I mean, what are they? Are they?

Do you want to read it? Yeah, I read. Let's take a break. All right, here we go. Mark 7. The Pharisees and some of the teachers of the law who had come from Jerusalem, gathered around Jesus and saw some of his disciples eating food with hands that were unclean. That is unwashed.

And the unclean is kind of in quotations in the NIV. And then Mark puts a little parenthetical. thought here. The Pharisees and all the Jews do not eat unless they give their hands a ceremonial washing holding to the tradition of the elders. When they came, when they come from the marketplace, they do not eat unless they wash. And they observe many other traditions such as the washing of cups, pitchers, and cattels. So John's just giving you a little thing there that they're serious about the washing. Well, can I interrupt you? Key word, tradition, tradition. tradition, you're going to see that word over and over in this.

Exactly. He's not talking about what God said. It's what they came up with. You got to remember something, too, Al, with the microbes, the microbe effect of food. When I make hamburgers, I open up the packs, and I push them together with my hands, and I put one on, two, three, four. I'm cooking four burgers. I could take the hamburger meat.

It's raw hamburger meat in a package. I only use if we buy it that day. Very rarely does it stay over a day. Go get the meat. Make sure it's fresh. Get it down here. I'll make the patties. As soon as I do that, I have them searing on the bottom.

Pan-fried hamburgers. I walk over and I've washed my hands. I'm not washing my hands as a religious gesture. I don't want to have microbes that might. have come off of the hamburger meat. Before it was cooked. Transported to the spatula I'm fixing to turn them with. You understand what I'm saying?

Oh, I'll get it completely. Somebody told me, they said, how come you wash your hands every time after you get through padding the, I said microbes, microbes. Microbes. Microves. Hot, warm water. So I wash my hands, and then I continue on. The next four hamburgers I make, I do the same thing.

From there, to wash the hands, the back, because I'm going to put the buns on them. So I'm making sure my hands are clean. Just a thought. Not for religious reasons. We appreciate it, Phil. Not for religious reasons, for microbe reasons. And you do make the best hamburgers.

Somebody told me over and over and over, anybody that eats my burgers, they said. They are the very best. They are. And so there's a reason why you walk into a restroom at a restaurant, fast food or slow food restaurant. And it says employees, wash your hands. before you go back to the kitchen. Because if you don't, there's an increase of hepatitis A, micros to dad's point.

And so Jesus, the setting here is not that washing hands is bad. It's this ceremonial idea because here's what we're going to get into. They're not doing this washing because they're doing it because traditions. It's a spiritual thing. Well, since we've taken a break before you continue reading, I spent an hour of my life that I'll never get back. looking up these the their rules it's hundreds of pages difference of books centered around the washing of hands and the pictures and the cups and the kettles so you're talking about i thought i was a

germaphobe we have a religious setting here where i mean it was just hard to explain what what i read it was they had it down to the wrist line all the way to the fingertip in a certain manner of how this gets clean before you go. I mean, you eat, you know, three meals a day. This is a load. It made a little bit tough, would it, Jay. So what I thought about Jay's even, you think about it coming forward, even now to this very day, we have something called Holy Water. which I don't exactly how it got holy, but even to this day,

people have traditions about water that are really interesting. So verse 5, so the Pharisees and teachers of the law ask Jesus, why don't your disciples live according to the tradition of the elders instead of eating their food with unclean hands? So what a question.

I mean, that's one of those, what they call the loaded question? He replied, Isaiah was right when he prophesied about you hypocrites. Now, he's just going to ease in there a little bit. He's like, I'm going to, how do I put this? Yeah. I mean, he pretty much lets it know he doesn't appreciate the question, right?

As it is written, these people honor me with their lips, but their hearts are far from me. they worship me in vain their teachings are but rules taught by men so this is interesting because he's quoting the almighty his father and him god from isaiah you have let go ahead yeah i was just going to say what what's interesting because that line but they in vain do they worship me it to worship god in vain is actually it's a substitution it's to it's to it's to replace yourself at the center of worship, which is what, when you impose the traditions of men on people as if they were rules of God, what that actually is, according to the writer of Colossians, the chapter two, is that it's self-imposed worship. You're actually putting yourself

on the throne to be worship because you're saying, look at how holy I am. So that, I think that's what's at the core of the heart here. But go ahead. Keep reading it. No, I agree. And that's a great point. because that's exactly what they're saying is why the question was framed in such a way is why aren't they like us the super clean I mean that was the implication right it wasn't you know it wasn't that you know why did they not do this it wasn't a sincere question let's take another break so we pick it up in in verse 8 he says you have let go of the commands of God and are holding on to the traditions of men so first he called him hypocrite then he quotes him Isaiah, then he says, you're not talking about God here. You're talking about what men have

come up. And then he says, and he goes on to say more verse nine. And he said to them, you have a fine way of setting aside the commands of God in order to observe your own traditions. For Moses said, honor your father and mother. And anyone who curses his father or mother must be put to death. But you say that if a man says to his father or mother, whatever help you might otherwise have received from me is Corbyn, which, by the way, that's my grandson's name. And then he says in parentheses, he describes what that is. That is a gift devoted to God. So he says, whatever help you might otherwise have received from me is devoted to God. Then you no longer let him do anything for his father or mother. Thus you nullify the word of God by your tradition and you have handed down,

that you have handed down. And you do many things like that. So you see, what he's saying is they've made up a lot of rules that go against the actual command of God. And this is just one example. I'm sure there were many, many more. You know, one of the basic things God told them to do, they came up with a countermeasure because they didn't want to be supportive of their parents. And so he said, so you just come up with your own tradition. Yeah, I think immediately people are like, what does that mean, Corbyn?

I've never heard of that. I mean, but they would, they would deem all their money. as devoted to God. So therefore, it's like, we would help you, but this is devoted to God. This is God's money. So what they didn't say,

but the meaning of that was so you get nothing. Because they wanted to cash for themselves, but they had justified it by saying, oh, Corbin, Corbin, Corbin. Because, you know, you take care of you, have family issues, your brother, come over, I lost my job, and you're like,

Corbin, it's God. I mean, he's more important because you can justify it by saying, I love you, you're my brother. But look, we got to put God first. The irony here, and the irony of this is that they, these particular people, what they, what their pride and their self-esteem and kind of their identity was wrapped up in the fact that they kept the law and they kept the commandments. And so it's interesting how Jesus is basically accusing them of you're not keeping any of the commandments. Like you don't keep the commandments. You replace the commandments with your own traditions. And those you may keep it.

Those are your traditions. Those you're taking the commandment and then you're turning the commandment of, which is about the heart. And you're turning it into the letter. It goes back to what you mentioned in a previous podcast, Jace, about the church discipline. and there was a one church had a document that was over 800 pages long. You know, like when we're going, that's what happens. So we have a, when you, when you remove it from the heart to the letter, then it's just a continual piling on, piling on more and more and more and more and more letters.

And you're sitting there at bargain about all these issues and all these rules and what Sister Mary on which pew that she sat on or whatever. And all that. And meanwhile, the world is in need of Jesus. And it's all a distraction. And it becomes your own religion instead of us being surrendered to the king. And there's a lot of examples of this. I mean, I guarantee you, if we were to ask, you know,

the comment in the comment section of what has been your experience of the traditions of men in the church being imposed upon people. I mean, there's a, man, we could just our own experience here. We could just go down the list of things that, especially as someone that's done a church plant. And, I mean, how you've pastored for a number of years? All of us have been involved in ministry. I mean, how many times have you heard someone complain about something? And you start, I mean, but it's not anywhere in the Bible. It's a tradition that they were hanging on to.

They could not let that go because this is the way we've always done it. Yeah. Almost every split in a church or fight or whatever, terrible things. usually as man-made stuff. It has nothing to do with God or the Bible. You know, it's interesting because Jesus does something here really fascinating. Since he's God and he always has been, that was him. I mean, he was there too when, you know, when the Almighty was making that statement in Isaiah.

And it's interesting because he shows you what that command honor your father and mother, what was at the heart of it, you know, because you think about this kind of a broad thing. What does he mean? He means in their culture, what he did, how he set it up. was people had children to basically take care of them when they got older. That was the whole process. Why the oldest son got the double blessing is because he had the responsibility no matter what. If you live long enough, your kids would take care of you.

It's interesting. Look at our now our Western culture. We flip that and we say we're going to try to, to the very end, do enough to support our children and grandchildren and then hope we can come out of this thing okay. And that's exactly the opposite of what. the Almighty had set up for the whole society and system. And he uses as an example of that they're going with manmade stuff. So I just find it interesting that you see the same thing present even to this day.

That's what he meant by honor your father and mother. So look what he does in verse 14. He takes it a step further. So he's having this little dust up with the Pharisees. Now in verse 14, it says he called the crowd to it, which is very interesting because we don't see him doing that very often. And usually he's kind of running from the crowd. This time it's like, okay, oh, everybody come up here.

I got something you need to hear based on this conversation he just had. He says, listen to me, everyone, and understand this. He's going to give him a little classic Jesus parable. Nothing outside a man can make him unclean by going into him. Rather, it is what comes out of a man that makes him unclean. So he's just going to drop a little truth. bomb on this whole thing about the traditions of men and everything they had always thought. I mean, think about it. That's a bold statement. He says nothing goes in and makes you unclean.

It's what comes out. He's trying to give a picture of the soul and the heart and the character and the, you know, what drives a man. He's trying to give them that picture, which is why Jesus is famous for when people say he saves you from the inside out. And it's, and think about it, Jays. It's a complete paradigm shift. for everything that these folks have ever known, they've always thought it was the outside that made you clean or not clean. And he said, nope, it's always about the heart. Of course, this is consistent because he talks about your eyes and what you see and your heart and reflection. So he's been teaching this all along.

You look at the, you know, in the beatitudes as well. But, I mean, this was a, in this moment, he said, I'm going to do a little truth bomb and set these guys up. So let me read the rest of it. Let's take a break. So now in verse 17, he says after he had left the crowd. So he just like gives him a little short dissertation. He entered the house. His disciples asked him about the parables.

So now it's kind of the same pattern we see. Jesus has a little dust up. He teaches a parable. Then the disciples are like, okay, well, what is it mean? Because again, they don't get it. Are you so dull? Yeah, I like that. What they're saying is these certain foods are making.

me very sinful. It must be my diet, what I'm eating, which is a leap. It's all, if I get off at certain foods, or if they're not prepared in a certain way, and if I don't eat a certain brand of food, boy, that's really making me sinful. That's what my problem is. I need to change my diet. That's what they were saying. That's right. And to your point, Dad, think about it. I mean, there were food laws. There were certain things they couldn't eat back in the desert when they first came out of Egypt. And so all this time, they would never touch certain foods at all. And Jesus has just shifted everything because he says nothing you eat makes you unclea.

So, I mean, I can just see the scramble back to Jerusalem with the Pharisees. You're not going to believe what he's saying now. I mean, they had predicated everything on this. You know, just look what God did when he sent him a message. and at John 17, I mean, Acts 17, when he sent a movie screen out of heaven that had all these different kinds of animals on it, four-footed animals, fish of the sea, a whole list of things. And he said, get up, Peter, arise, kill and eat. And Peter, even after running with Jesus, and this speech was still hung up on a little bit.

You see what I'm saying? That was Acts 10. Acts 10. I said, what did I say? 17. Acts 10. So X 17 is good. It is interesting that Peter wrestle with that.

Surely not I. I can't eat some of this stuff. And he said, don't call anything unclean that I've made clean. Arise, kill and eat, Peter. And that shows you, Dad, how ingrained this was. Because even post-resurrection, post-you know, Holy Spirit being poured out, Peter is still. He was still struggling with it. There's still people.

There's still people on the planet. right now. Tell me a pat. You can't eat that. Well, I keep in mind, too, when that sheet came down, that, that was a, there's a, there was a bigger message there that God was unfolding that, what he's ultimately talking about is the inclusion of us, the Gentiles, into the people of faith. And he's saying, don't call, don't call these people.

I'm calling the Gentiles into faith. Don't call them unclean. That's right. Anything that I've called clean, do not call clean. But when you were reading that, I was reminded of this verse. in 2 Timothy 3, and it talks about people who are abusive, lovers of money, people who disobey their parents, ungrateful and holy, heartless. This is in 2nd Timothy chapter 3, and it says, they have the appearance of godliness,

but deny its power, avoid such people. That's really what you see here with the Pharisees. It's the appearance of godliness, and so it's the whitewashed tomb that on the surface, you know, it looks holy, it looks good, but just just just beneath the surface. You just scratch a little bit beneath the surface and you actually see what's really going on here, which is what ultimately this is the kind of conversations that get Jesus killed in the end. But, I mean, he's he's lamb blasting them here. Well, and he's dropping truth bombs.

And when we get there, which we probably want to the next podcast, but the next two couple of healings that happen are, or also a look ahead because we're looking into the Gentile world. And again, no matter what these people were thinking, they sure weren't thinking the Gentiles ever had a shot. But Jesus is talking about everything here. He's laying out this bigger picture of situation. Let me read the rest of this and we'll discuss in the last few minutes and overtime. So I don't know, Jesus is just having a day or what?

Because he starts out with the hypocrites to the Pharisees. Now to his disciples, he said, are you so dull? In verse 18. There's nothing more frustrating than that. dull knife, you know. Let me just think about how frustrated. You have a dull knife, it just won't cut. You finally, you generally throw it away, but it just shows you how frustrated he is.

He's frustrated. You're exactly right. And if somebody calls you a dullard, I mean, that's a pretty good insult. So he says, are you so dull? Don't you see that nothing that enters a man from the outside can make him unclean? So he basically just repeats what he told the crowd, for it doesn't go into his. heart, but into his stomach and then out of his body. So he basically gives them just a little biology lesson about what food's purpose is.

It's simple on the face of it, but it was a big deal in those days and still is some parts of the world. Well, you still have people that have certain days. They can't eat certain foods, even in Christianity. So you're right. So Mark does what he does throughout this whole section. he gives another little parenthetical thought, which shows you he was aiming this summit, Gentiles too.

He said, in saying this, Jesus declared all foods clean. Now, that's a huge statement. And, Dad, you made the point. Because even post-resurrection ascension, it's going to be a huge struggle for people in the first century church. There's a lot of people on planet Earth. They're saying you can't kill animals and eat them. I mean, they're against the killing of animals and eating them.

I mean, it's their religion. Well, you had that, you had that, well, Timothy made that reference, and, you know, they were still having problems with this way after that. You remember in 1 Timothy 4.1, it says the spirit clearly says that in a later time some will abandon the faith and follow deceiving spirits and things taught by demons. I mean, you think this is really fixed to be some kind of crazy logic. Yeah. And he says, such teachings come through hypocritical. liars whose consciences have been seared as with a hot iron. Here's what they do.

They forbid people to marry and order them to abstain from certain foods, which God created to be received with Thanksgiving. Because for those who believe and know the truth, for everything God created is good and nothing is to be rejected if it is received with Thanksgiving and consecrated by the word of God in prayer. Yep. That's pretty well. That was the bomb ship.

Oh, my goodness. But it comes back to those traditions. Through this day, it's still here. Yeah. And, Jay, to your point, that was written probably 60, what had been 30 years after Jesus, so around 60 AD is when that was written. So you'd think 30 years later they would have gotten this,

those early disciples, but it was still a major problem because they had all these laws that you mentioned. So I read these last couple of verses. He went on in verse. 20, what comes out of a man is what makes him unclean. So that's the third time he said this. For from within, out of men's hearts comes evil thoughts, sexual immorality, theft, murder, adultery, greed, malice, deceit, lewdness, envy, slander, arrogance, and folly. All these evils come from inside and make a man unclean.

that was the bombshell because he introduced here that he's representing god's character and the decision-making process that we make every day i mean which is why i think in a small way this is why they missed it about the bread and you know feeding the five thousand i mean jesus came here to transform us this preaching the good news and teaching about the gospel all these things are going to affect how we operate and the decisions we make. And that is really was the most transformative part of what he was bringing. All of a sudden, he's getting down in where we really live, where we thought was a secret place in, you know, our secret sins. You can't blame the food. What about you're eating. It's the opposite.

Well, and you shouldn't give an appearance based on outward appearance that you got it all together. Yeah. Oh, your hands are washed and your hair. is perfect and how you carry your long robes you're wearing you boy you just look holy you know I'm telling you but we all know the truth that there's no one righteous that when when some water in a in a in a container and somehow in your mind this is holy water this will make you holy sprinkle yourself we know what happens in bedrooms and when people aren't watching and what people are you think I mean it's just it's it's a harsh reality of human beings that were all sinful. Well, we think about those,

we're like common sense human beings, like you just said, and we're all sinners, and we know that. So we look at people and we realize they're sinned. We're in a sense, we're all hypocrites. But imagine you're Jesus.

And they're posing questions to you about why you're not like us. And you know, you know what they're doing. You're not doing it. But you know, Jesus knew these people. they were acting like they had it all together, what they were actually doing when the lights were out. And so no wonder it got so hot.

I mean, it would be appalling, you know, for somebody to be that hypocritical, which is terrible. And to decide to die for them, give you a life for them. That was quite the decision and quite the truth of the matter. Exactly. Well, we're out of time for the podcast, but we'll talk a little bit more about this idea of physical versus spiritual. and this idea of heart when we go to the overtime. If you'd like to follow us over, it's blazedtv.com slash unashamed.

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