Unashamed with the Robertson Family - Ep 59 | Jase's Female Protester, How to Outlast Coronavirus, and Why Drinking Isn't a Sin

Episode Date: March 4, 2020

Jase tells a woman who has beef with him to dress up like a man, and Al realizes he actually agrees with the protest signs at Phil's event. Phil explains the only type of "health care" guaranteed to get you through the coronavirus, and the guys discuss God's winery, why drinking alcohol isn't a sin, and why God performs miracles. Bonus: Jase's coffee recipe! -- Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

I am Unashamed What about you? All right, I'm back from Montana. It was a whirlwind tour. You don't realize Billings, Montana? That's a long way from Louisiana. Dad spoke to them.

Is Billings where the college is? I'm assuming they had a college. There's only about two or three big towns in Montana from what I heard. Do you remember that? Because we had protesters at your event. hecklers and they bumrushed the stage. Now, that was in, you remember when we were in, where were we at, Pennsylvania? Yeah, that was at the NRA show that time.

Yeah. And they rushed. It was crazy. I spoke first. And I didn't have a problem, you know. Phil gets up. You hear this racket. Here comes a little small, you know, four or five team.

posters up and they were just screaming. Yeah. And look, there's enough security around there to take care of anything. But they just took all right, said around, got up on that stage and Phil kind of, you like assumed the position because they were coming at him on stage, you know, before the security. But that look, Phil had, like, he had his Bible in one hand, and it's kind of like, and then they stopped.

They're calling me a no-good M-F-A-F. Oh, yeah. They're about three, four, five feet from me, screaming at me. You know what it was crazy about that? No one knew what the problem was. Yeah. Their beef was not clearly illustrated. Look, the same thing in Montana, because when we drove by, we slowed down, and they

were across the street. You know, we had four law. The sheriff of the county was in the car with us. It wasn't like anything was going to happen to us. we drove by and I was reading their signs because I was like you I thought was I wonder what their beef is but it was just stuff like you know love don't hate and and I was like everything I saw on the sign I agreed with like and so do we it was like I don't really get the idea I did see a couple of rainbow flags so I'm assuming you know this went back to dad from you know years ago about

you know quoting the verse yeah but but I'm saying it's so easy this this protest mentality sometimes they just get a crew of them together. Somebody remembered they don't like you. They get out their signs from the last eight protests and they just come out there. I don't know. I didn't have any protesters this time. I did an event there 10 years ago. I asked them how many was there.

Somebody reminded me of that I had forgotten. And one person in the crowd, I was like, oh, you were there. You're making a return visit. I was like, where were the rest of you people? But when I stood up, I said, I didn't know the whole state was going. going to turn out because you know it just doesn't seem like there's a lot of people in montana and it was packed and uh it was all men so well i knew when i mean's event it was a men's event well when i was on the plane you know i'm on the plane going from dallas to montana well most of the people on the plane

either live in montana or you know and so i'm i'm sitting there on like row two and this woman comes up and she's like you know i got a problem with you that was her first date And so, you know, my assistant was like, I could tell she grabbed the deal like, here we go. You know, I got a protester on the plane. And she's like, you mean, you come to Montana and I go to buy a ticket and it's a mail-only event. I said, oh, that's your beef? She's like, well, I'm serious. I said, well, if I were you, I said, you got two options.

You can either dress up like a man. which is not a really good option. I said, oh, you can just show up and I'll back you because it's easier to get forgiveness than permission. You just caused it a heartburn for some security. But it was sold out. That's why a lot of people there email and saying, well, where's your events?

We want to come. We don't post it because they're already sold out. Yeah, that's a problem. So, you know, I guess you have to watch your local news for an appearance. Look in your local, yeah, because they're, They do a lot of them. And Dad doesn't do many events for those of you that ask. He's got a couple this year, but even those are closed.

Sometimes they're just closed to a certain group of people. You can go to Alainlisa Robertson.com to get mine and Lisa's schedule. We're going to be in Bel Air, Maryland, this coming Sunday. Well, I'll tell you this. First weekend in March. Weekend, after this one. I'm doing a local one this weekend. But the next weekend I'll be in Michigan.

Michigan. Yeah. So if you're in Michigan, you know, try to figure out where I'm going to be. Then the week after that, Michigan's such a small state, you know. I'll be in Florida. So there you go. There's my schedule. I would not notice if I was speaking to a men-only gathering, which I've done.

And I, if you see a woman, do you say, what in the world? Look, I don't notice issues like that. Well, Phil, they did a men's event. Well, if it's a men's event, and I'm looking over there and I see three women sitting there. I'm not saying. I wonder what. Well, it's not us. It's not an issue.

We don't make those calls. I mean, whoever organizes. Yeah, we just show up and speak. But it was a great event. But I was there a while and I had a layover, you know, kind of in the middle. And so I went out in the town and because I was looking for a cup of coffee. And, boy, I found a good one. It just was a little coffee shop, you know.

And I went in there. explain what I wanted. I was like, I want two shots of espresso in a short cup of coffee, you know. And they're like, with room, I was like, oh, yeah, because I didn't want to spill it on me. But they thought, well, you're not going to drink this without putting something else in it. So they had to, then I sipped it, and the girl was looking like, I mean, they never imagined someone would actually drink this. But I said, no, that's exactly what I order.

that's good. But it was funny, the first person I meet on the street comes up and says, Duck Dynasty look, huh? I said, you got it. I mean, he thought, he doesn't think I was Jace from Duck Dynasty. He thought, that's what you're going after. He was like, the next thing was like, yeah, that's really 2013 of you there, dude. So the next guy, you know, I'm walking.

And he said, hey, sir, do you have a minute? I said, I really don't, just because, you know, I was playing along. I thought he recognized me. But he had a clipboard, you know, and he said, we're signing a petition, you know, we need to vote for this. And I was like, I'm not, I'm not from here. And he's like, this is a statewide issue. I said, I'm not from this state. He went, yeah, right.

I said, I'm from Louisiana. You don't hear the way I'm talking right now? And he's like, are you serious? I was like, yeah, I'm not from here. He said, okay, have a nice day. But I thought. So you could fit in in Montana as what he said. You know, and I got to looking around and I thought, oh yeah, these people look like me.

Yeah. So I felt kind of at home. And you know what I saw the entire time in Billings, Montana? Ducks and geese were just flying in gunshot range all over the town. I told them, I said, we don't have this problem in Louisiana. We saw that and I saw, we had snowed. in there a day. Remember, we had to stay over because we had flown the plane couldn't leave.

And so we saw a big old herd of elk, about 250 of them. And they were just right outside of town. That's their number one day. I got asked by a lot of them to say, you want to go elk hunting? Because I did like a meat and greet or whatever. And I was like, my buddy, I got a buddy in Kansas

is trying to get me to go. He said, it's the most riveting. You know, because you, with a bow, you're I mean, these animals are, what are they, a thousand pounds? I've never gone. now, honey. And then they holler, they bugle. It's like, you know, make the hair stand up on the back. You know. So they're really into that. But what they also said is they got grizzly bears. Oh, yeah. And I said, no, look, what kind of, I said, I may go with you. Because I mean, the guys that I was most interested in, they, like, get on horses and take off for like 12 days, you know, with a bow and air.

I said, but I want to know what happens when the grizzly approaches you. Because he was talking about you, they got to have every. everything, you know, all their food sealed, because they don't want to attract the bears. And he's like, well, I mean, you're not supposed to shoot them, but we all have pistols, you know. I said, okay. If he was going to say, well, you know, you do what, I told him what I read about, you know, if a bear approaches you, you know, you can't shoot them. Don't run. Make yourself bigger, you know, the whole deal.

But what happens if he attacks? At some point, at some point is him or me. They're like, if you make it, call 911, someone with a weapon. How about I just take one in case the gris? Yeah. But what did he say? He said something.

He gave me a phrase. He said, we, uh, something about shut up, shovel and, you know, when they see a, uh, a grizzly, that was all started with an ass, but I can't remember. I can imagine what one of them probably is. No, it wasn't anything. It was basically like, oh, no, I know an answer to that I would be. I know what it was. Shut up, shovel, and shoot.

No, that's what it was. It was shoot, shovel, and shut up. And I, so when he said that, I thought, okay, wait a minute, shoot. Oh, get a shovel. Barry. And then shut up. I was like, don't talk about it. Okay, I'm interesting going.

As far as the various audiences and what I've observed, and of course, you all speak out too and so are a lot of others. All I know for sure is there has to be a pretty good reason for Jesus to say, blessed are you when people, that's the way worded it, when people hate you, when people exclude you, when people say they insult you and they say all kinds of evil about you because of me. He said, leap for joy. blessed you blessed you. I mean, so if you look at that, you say,

great is your reward in heaven. So he kind of prepared us that not everyone is going to be kind. That's right. I mean, if we look at all the, you know what, everybody, everybody I was there. They were severely mistreated and killed most of them. Oh, yeah. You'd expect some pushback. I didn't have, everybody there was awesome. I mean, they're my kind of people. Well, my favorite thing about traveling. I don't really mind a bad mouth and not a cursing. I love going, when you go out west because we're not as well known there. I mean, the show is, but we do most of our stuff in the South, but, but, or the Central, but I love going out West because I spoke in Oregon twice, Godwin and I were there, because the ones who are there who think like we do, I mean,

because they're there. I feel sorry because they're sort of trapped there, but they're, the governments are so left-leaning and it's very unfortunate. Crazy crap that goes on out there in the politics. So to me, it's like when you can come in there and rally those guys. We have 1,000 men at a hunting thing in Oregon. I was like, I didn't know there were a thousand. I was like, by the way. That was probably 800 men here.

You know what the schedule of events were? They watched Duck Dynasty for 30 minutes. I stuck my head in there. They were laughing. You know, I thought, well, it's still funny to them. Then they had a gospel bluegrass band that performed. Awesome. Outstanding.

Of course, then I go out there and basically, is a introduction to Jesus surrounded by humor and a duck call demonstration. And then a call to, you know, to put your faith and trust in Jesus. In the midst of the coronavirus, and I did one on Blaze TV the other day, a little episode, in the midst of that kind of thinking and the fear people have, I basically just reminded them, I mean, what we're dispensing from our lips is, in fact, eternal health care. That's basically what we're selling. That's right.

So when people say, yeah, yeah, yeah, I'm like, let's see, is there a six-foot hole waiting on you here? And they all have to say, that'd be correct. I said, I've come up on a story here. You may have a better one if you do. I want to hear it. but we're talking about not only sin's removed, but your body being raised from the dead. I said, now take it or leave it, be mad at me for saying it,

but I'm just saying it looks like there's a way out of here alive and this is it. Now, so I'm here to help. So if you want to curse me over it, I'm like, it doesn't bother me because this is all for your benefit. I didn't have to come tell you. I'm not doing it for me. I'm doing it for you. I've thought about that so many times when that, because now it's just full-scale panic, you know, about the coronavirus. I always think about Matthew 8 and 9 because in those two- People are scared to death.

In those two chapters, Jesus, like, went on a healing run. And if you just look at the paragraphs, you know, the first guy had leprosy. And then, like in 14, it said, Jesus heals many, touches, you know, this woman that had a fever and it immediately began. and then she immediately began to wait on him. You know, she got up serving him. But in 817, it says this was to fulfill what was spoken through the prophet Isaiah. He took up our infirmities and carried our diseases.

And then after, then he healed the demon-possessed guy. And then in Matthew 9, he heals a paralytic. And then in 918, you know, it's a story about the dead girl and a sick woman, you know, I mean, he's literally, and then he heals a blind man and then the mute, someone who was mute. I mean, that was in two chapters. He just went through a withering barrage showing you that he controls the atoms and molecules. So I agree with you. I mean, deep down, I'm thinking, okay, I don't want to get sick. I mean, I'm a germaphobe. I don't like shaking people's

hands because every time I'd shake a bunch of them, I get sick. People say, well, you're a germaphone. I'm like, no, I'm just, I'm smart. Yeah. I figured this out. If you do a meet and greet and you shake 300 hands the next morning, guess what? My throat sore. Yeah. Because some of their germs went on me and now I have it.

Psalms 91 is an interesting read. I will say to the Lord, he is my refuge. That's a place to hide. And my fortress protection. My God and whom I trust, by the way, that's where the cornage came from. and God we trust. Psalm 91 of where it came from for you students of a history buff. Interesting.

Surely he will save you from the Fowler's snare and from the deadly pestilence. You're like, hmm, I wrote down the definition of pestilence. Any, you know, pandemic that spreads the country viral. He will cover you with his feathers under his wings. You will find refuge. His faithfulness will be your shield, rampart, all these people. protective wordage. You will not fear the terror of night, the air of the flies by day, nor the pestilence that stalks in the darkness. Check this out. Nor the plague that destroys at midday.

Check this out. A thousand may fall at your side, 10,000 at your right hand. They're dying all around you and it will not come near you. But he basically ends that up like Deuteronomy 28 and he said, look, if you obey me, be careful to obey what I've told you in the word, the Lord your God, the Lord will send fearful plagues on you and your descendants harsh and prolonged disasters if you don't. And severe lingering illnesses, he'll bring upon you all the diseases of Egypt. Now you read these through these things, you say, God. God used his pestilence and plagues as punishment tools.

I'm just saying he may not be behind the coronavirus. Or maybe discipline would be. But he has used viral infections before to punish people. But I think you have, it's like what we talk about. Uncooked monkeys, rats and dogs, bats, maybe skunks, and feces going down the road in China might be the cause of it. It's a possibility. I was fixed to say maybe nobody calls it just if you're. Or the Chinese were a little bit not careful enough.

And Wuhan, where it all started, there's a germ warfare facility there. The Chinese might have done it accidentally or possibly on purpose. I wouldn't put it fast. Dan's been to China. He told us hygiene is an issue. That is correct. In China. So, I mean, certainly I'm not shocked.

He said it was very dangerous. I mean, we're talking feces going down both sides of the street. Kind of like the way it is in San Francisco all over China. This is hygienic issues. Well, I was thinking, you know, we're in the book of John, and we're, you know, we're coming up on John, too. Because in light of talking about the virus, I mean, the number one question is, well, why doesn't God just heal all the diseases? You know what I mean? Right.

And you say, well, you have a lot of people in the religious world. I would say that they're in pursuit of miracles. Would you agree with that? Yeah, they focus on that, the aspect of the, I'm sick, I need a miracle to be what made well. So, I mean, they look at it from that perspective, which is to me, the touchy subject. It's tough.

Well, I'm saying, look, here's what I wish we would do in the religious world. I wish we would distinguish between the supernatural happiness. and a miracle. Right. I mean, they means every, you know, words mean something. Jesus is the word, all right, in flesh. But I'm saying, what is a miracle? That's the first thing you've got to do is define it.

And my opinion, abhorting on the miraculous, I would simply say this is a miracle. You, the Ephesians, also were included in Christ when you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation. and Jesus is becoming a man, dying on a cross, being buried, raised from the dead. Having believed, you were marked, marked in him with a seal, the promised Holy Spirit, who is a deposit guaranteeing our inheritance until the redemption of those who are God's possession to the praise of his glory. I would say that was supernatural.

I would say, to me, that's the supernatural working of God that's worth more, way more, than temporary acts of healing and such. But that's my point. That would be a supernatural. If you call that a miracle, well, a miracle was something like, I mean, we're in John 2, we know this miracle, which is... Which was his first, by the way. Yeah, his first miracle, which I think is kind of, can I say humorous?

I think it was the, you want to say, I used to call it the accidental miracle, but that's not really true because I was that Jesus doesn't do things on an accident. But it was a weird setting. What's going on here? You know, right? It's like. Tell about what it was. So they're having a, this is right after we've been talking about John. Well, they went to a wedding.

They went to a wedding. He just came out of the wilderness. We talked about that. He just got recognized by John the Baptist. This is the Lamb of God. He just got his disciples together. He's under the God of the Holy Spirit. So this is his first act.

Never up to now performed a miracle. Right. So he show up at a wedding. His mother comes to him and says, they're out of wine. Every time I read that, Jason, I think about those guys on the porch when you tried to give them some ducks. And they said, man, we out of weed because you tried to give them the ducks, man. Yeah, we got a problem during duck season, you know, getting rid of our ducks. Did I share this story?

I don't know if you did on the podcast. I love this story. So every year, you know, I mean, you're killing. You know, group-wise, if we're having a great duck season, we hadn't had this problem last two years. No, we have not. But if you're killing 20 a day or whatever, what was our best year, 17 a day? Well, you know, 17 a day for 60 days, that's a lot. So, you know, we carry ducks to the homeless and the people who change my all.

There's a guy that works there. I bring them the widows and the orphans. But every once in a while, you're just riding along, and I got some ducks. in the back of my truck and I look over here and I see people and they look poor. So I'm like, I have some meat here, you know, so I'm going to give them to you. So I pulled up there on, it was a street corner. I just pulled in there. And I said, you still have your face paint on, maybe.

Oh, yeah, I have my face paint on, you know. And so I rolled down there. There was a couple African-American guys on the porch. I said, you all want some ducks. He said, we out. that didn't make sense we out so you want the ducks

he said we're out I said so you don't want the duck you know because I thought oh he's out like I'm out and I said so you're out

you don't want ducks right and he's like we out of weed I said no I don't want any weed I'm going to give you these ducks he said we out of weed

He never got it. I said, dang, I didn't got up on a drug deal here. You know what I mean? He thought I was wanting to trade ducks for weed. We out of weed. So when I see Mary comes to Jesus, I don't know why I think about that, but I do. Well, you were trying to do a good deed. I'm trying to give some ducks.

He's like, ain't got no weed. So Mary says, they're out of wine. She comes to Jesus. which was interesting because it was like, I've always said, so was she telling me to go, the liquor store? What's he doing? He says, dear, I think she had some inclination that he could pull this out. That's what I think.

So he says, dear woman. I mean, I don't know. I don't know what to think about. Dear woman, why do you involve me? Jesus replied, my time has not yet come, which was an interesting response. I mean, what do you think he means by that? I mean, I think he's telling her, you know, this was, that's why I think it was not, a planned miracle.

I don't believe it was either. I think he was going to wait a little while, but like it's your mom. You know, what are you going to do? You know, because look. Well, I think he was meaning, I want to give my opinion. Sure. That he's like not going to reveal himself as the son of God. Right.

Even though. That's right. Even though he's going to do it. And he is. Because he kind of kept it a secret for a while. There's a key verse, though, that we've read many times on this podcast. and we will continue to read. And I want to read it now.

Is it 1st Corinthians 2-7 or must be 1st, 1st, 2nd? Seconds not work. It might be just the case of him fixing a display as power before he had really officially started displaying his power. He came out of a virgin, which is worthy of note. I mean, without any section involved. Which she knew. But nobody believed.

Nobody believed. I understand that. I'm just saying. Corinthians 2.7. He said, we speak of God's secret wisdom, a wisdom that has been hidden, and that God destined for our glory before time began. None of the rulers of this age understood it for if they have. They would not have crucified the Lord of glory. So that's why he would, remember when he would do a miracle later and he'd say, don't tell anybody. Yep. Of course they would. Yeah. And he knew that. And he knew that. But they kept it hidden to some degree. And he was ready to.

And people, it's just like now, if you see somebody doing tricks, what do you think? I mean, you go to see, you know, famous magician, name one, and they do something. Well, they're claiming to do something that's not possible. They're claiming, you know, there's something here. And you can't explain. We were looking at it. You can't really explain how they're doing it, but you're not thinking they're really doing, like creating things out of thin air. It's a trick.

But you just miss it. And I think that's what they were doing with Jesus. Yeah. Now, this is pretty good. trick. You got... So, look, here's what I love this. Real good.

So he says, why do you involve me? My time is now coming. So that's not really a no. And it's not a yes. I love Mary's response. His mother looks to the servants and says, do whatever he tells you. So she took that. Yeah.

She took that as a, he's fixing to tell you to do something. I have movement here. That's right. But that's a stand-along statement. Look, if everybody in this world lived by that, think about the world. That's a good point. I mean, his mom, whatever he says, you do. That's really good advice.

It really is. And because she knew. And she wasn't sure what he was going to, I mean, I guess she really knew. So then it says nearby stood six stone water jars, the kind used by the Jews for ceremonial washing. Remember they washed? They washed each other's feet. I mean, there's a whole thing about that. So you got six jars.

So let's, for the audience, though, I would say, think of a, 55-gallon drum. It's pretty close, wouldn't you? Well, it's 30 gallons. So it's 180 gallons roughly, something. 180 gallons. I'll just get a picture on how big that is. Well, think about 6. 650. Well, it's 30 gallons of milk.

Right. Five times how many? Yeah. Six. Six. That's a lot. That was a lot of people at this party. Well, look, remember the way they did weddings back in those days is it wasn't just a day like we do.

It was a week or two. Like, it was a big deal. It was a festival. By the way, all these people that say you can never touch alcohol at any time for any reason. Well, we have a wedding here and we have God himself in a human body saying, well, let's whip up a little wine here. Some of these theologians say, well, back then, it wasn't really. Their alcohol wasn't fermented, which causes my eyebrow to go. How big can your eye roll go?

I heard that growing up. The guy starts dragging about how good it is. And they said, boy, that's quite the grape juice. Well, that's right. I mean, there's no way out of the context of this story that you can come up with that this was it. Not only wine, but really good wine and wine that had an effect because the owner of the house says. And wine is allowed. So they took it to him.

He tasted. He was like, whoa. You know, this is at the end of the proceedings. And he's like, this is the best wine so far. That's why a few people have come in. I'll be drinking a little glass of wine before I'll go to sleep, you know, go to bed at night. It was recommended by the way, the Apostle Paul told Timothy, exact quote, stop drinking only water, but use a little wine for your stomach and frequent illnesses.

So evidently it's healthy for you. I just remind people if they say, well, I didn't know if you're a Christian, you could drink a glass of wine. I said, wedding, wedding, go back to the wedding. Wedding. Wedding. Well, I think it depends on the context. I mean, look, you got to be smart about it. If someone has a problem, if somebody has a problem and they have a pass with it,

okay, maybe it's just not for you. And that's fine. Being an ex-drunkard, I didn't have any alcohol drink for about a decade. And then one day I drank a glass of wine. I thought, good night. Where's the verse that says everything's permissible, but not everything's beneficial? To the Corinthians. Yeah.

I mean, I think it falls into that. And like, when there's a kid, a teenager, well, there's a reason. you know, that it's against the law for underage drinking. I mean, they're not mature enough to do it. And they're doing it for a totally different reason. They're trying to be cool. They're trying to rebel against what their parents. Well, that's wrong.

And just from what I've seen driving up down these rural roads out here, they don't need to be drinking wine or anything else, these young books. There's a beer can every 10 feet in the ditch, and there's a bullet hole in every sign. I'm like, that's a bad combo. And there's a meth lab every third trailer. The bullet holes in the sign. from here to West Monroe where we live out here is a pretty good sign. You know, make sure you have your weapon with you.

They're shooting holes in. What was the verse? Do you remember when Jesus said, Tom, he and John the Baptist? Is that John ate? Where he says, you called, because, you know, John didn't eat or he didn't drink wine. He had made up Nazareth. Well, Matthew 11. Yeah, it says he had no, he had the Holy Spirit from birth,

and it said he never participated in fermented drink. He never drank anything, I'll call it. And then he had, he was very strict on his food. As we know, he just ate locust. I mean, like, he wouldn't eat certain things. God fixed it so they couldn't get him on food laws. That's right. And so Jesus says, you called him, you called him, you said he had a demon.

Yeah. And me, the son of man who came eating and drinking. He didn't, he wasn't talking about water. It's Matthew 11, 18, and 19. But I love what he says at the end of that because he said, and here you say he's a friend of tax collectors and sinners. Because he went, hey, he loved the partiers. Yeah. There's no doubt about that.

He hung out around him. But I want to bring up, before I read this, the last phrase of that, or I can just tell you, it says, but wisdom is proved right by her actions. When you look at Galatians 519 through 22, you know, we've all studied with people. And you kind of, it shows the before and after. Yep. The act of simple nature obvious, you know, drunkenness is obviously in there. It's always around the top of the list.

Yeah. Well, when you get to the fruit of the spirit, there's one in here that doesn't get any, you know, headlines, which is self-control. Yep. We know you're being led by the spirit, but that's the way I view drinking. It's an opportunity to exercise a fruit of the spirit, which is self-control. And I think you should always err on not being anywhere close to being drunk. That is correct.

Correct. But people don't realize that. They're like either do it outside of Jesus or have nothing to do it. I think that's kind of what most religious people teach. Well, what they do, like, you know, my granddaughters go to Christian school. And so what they've taught them, because, you know, they come home and talk to me about it is you can never be drunk if you never take a drink. That's the mindset is we'll rule out all. Which is not a bad place.

That's not what I'm saying. I never touched a drop until I was 30 years old because I saw how you had lived and I thought, I'm out on that. It wasn't a spiritual decision. I just said, I'm out. So when all my buddies were doing it in high school, I said, I'm out on that. I've seen what that does to people. And so you said, well, why did you wait to you at 30?

Because I thought, I'm not sure I'll be mature enough to handle it. Right. And so I just, when I was 30, the world says 21, but I went nine years further. He went to, Jesus, age. Because I'm scared I might like it. For all of the naysayers, they're encouraging people get drunk. Nope. Here's the qualifications for an elder in Titus 1.

An elder must be hospitable, one who loves what is good, self-controlled, not given. Are you all listening to much wine? Not much. Not much. You say, well, he didn't say not any, not allowed to drink ferment or drink like John the Baptist. He said, an elder cannot be not given to much wine. Somebody says, well, how much is not much? That'd be not much.

There's much and there's not much. Which is the opposite of a lot. So here's what Jesus told his disciples in Luke 2134. This is a great one. So this is directly from Jesus. We've already said, we know he says it's not about not drinking. Here's what he says, be careful to his disciples. Or your hearts will be weighed down with carousing.

I've been there. Yeah, me too. Drunkenness. I've been there. And the anxieties of life. and that day will close on you suddenly like a trap. So for those of us who have lived that life, so our audience out there, we're trying to tell you,

and you know the difference too. Everybody wants to make it either or, but remember, we're talking about if the lifestyle takes you there, even Jesus says that's not good. A lot of people will go so far, unfortunately. They won't even any food stuffs with any alcohol in it, you know, like vanilla flavor. Or, other words, you know, eggnog, you know, you've got like two kitchen spoons of spirits.

Right. I mean, and they're saying, whoa, what, did I got spirits in it? I'm like, yeah, it's just two kitchen spoon for the whole thing. It's just a hint. But here's my part. And they're like, I can't touch it, Phil. You know, what about NyQuil? There's more alcohol in a cup of NyQuil than, you know, from what I heard.

Yeah. But here's my deal. Look, I've never. Legalism when it comes to across the board, including drunkenness and drinking a glass of wine. legalism, it's a killer. You know what I'm saying? I think you've got to look at the heart. Look, here I am.

I'm 50. I've never been drunk. I've never been close to being drunk. Yep. In my life. But I'm defending the freedom of drinking alcohol, whether it's not equal. Because I just used common sense. I thought, I waited until I was 30 to drink any kind of adult beverage.

And then when I tasted it, I thought, I don't say how this caught on. That's terrible. Most of the test and taste. It must be an acquired taste. Because that was awful. It tasted like NyQuil. But then it hit me, I thought, but I've drank NyQuil before. Was that wrong?

Some might argue, yes. But if you tried to go legalistic. But I have it been drunk. And you can get drunk. You get in this debate, people say, well, what about weed? You know, we brought that up. But it's the same kind of, what, it leads to, drunkenness.

Or, you know, my favorite is Ephesians 5 when it says, don't get drunk on wine. But then it says a curious word, which leads to debauchery. Yep. Now, what is that? I really don't know, but it sounds awful because it's worse than getting drunk. It's leading to... It's the whole lifestyle.

It's leading to that lifestyle. So it doesn't matter what you're really getting... Would it matter what you're getting drunk on? No. I mean, you're... It's a mind... you're now under the control of a substance. Because then he says, but rather be filled with the spirit.

So be under the influence of the Holy Spirit of God. Debutary would be Woodstock, sex, jugs, and rock and roll. That's debauchery. Not that there's anything wrong with rock and roll. That's right. That's my point. Just the way you go about celebrating it, I guess. It's one of our old former elders that's gone on to be of the Lord now.

He told me one time, I said something about rock and roll one time in the sermon, I was just like, like, there's time for us to rock and roll. And after the sermon, he said, do you know what that phrase means? And I was like, I'm in it in the context. Let's get after. And he said, it means sex. And I was like, not to me. But I mean, he was convinced of that.

It was like, that's just sex. That's what that means. I was like, I don't know about all that. There's a couple of proverbs about this. You guys like this. Proverbs 26, 29. Like a thorn book. in a drunkard's hand is a proverb in the mouth of a fool.

I mean, that's a good way. You get out there, get all torn out, you know, a thorn bush in your hand. You know, when people are drunk, they get into these terrible situations. You just, you get beat up, car wrecks, bad decisions. I've been there and done that. I think the point is the reason, Ephesians 5 says it leads to debauchery is because the further you go down that road, the harder it is to get away from. You know, at some point, that's why these groups that are even outside of Jesus that people get involved in to get off drugs or to whatever they call it, you know, they have the AA groups and all, you know, the 12 steps.

Yeah, celebrate. Yeah, celebrate. Because it's like, you know, some of these people have been involved in the S10, 15, 20 years. Well, even if you, you know, are introduced to Jesus, you have God's spirit, man, you wake up. you're addicted to that substance and that lifestyle. You know, you go through the rigors and the, you know, you're seeing visions and withdrawals, you know. So, yeah, for them, you go out to proceed with caution. It's like when I go to a lot of events I do, they're not Christian events.

And I've said this before. I'll be the only sober person there. I don't drink while I'm there. And you say, well, why? You have the freedom to do so? Yep. But I'm letting them know there's a big. difference between me and you. Even though I could do this, I'm going to let it be clear.

And that's why when Jesus said wisdom is proved right by our actions, that I'm not controlled by that to where I can't be along and stand out. It's not bothering me that I'm standing out right now. And then when I get up and speak, I share with them. I share Jesus. But I think they find it fascinating that I believe it would have been okay for me to drink a little. But I chose not to just because I wanted to let it. everybody know here because you can tell when somebody's hammered you know they're falling down over each other and here I am sharing Jesus with them it's just kind of weird and uh that's just my approach so I'm saying within the context you make decisions of that because I don't you know I've got a lot

of problems but you know getting drunk's not one of them I never have been at this point in my life I have no desire to experience that my streak is too long yep you know I mean so I may drink a little wine or you know and then I think an occasional beer or and also there is a principle in Romans where Paul basically, and he's talking about in the context about meat sacrifice to idols, but I think we kind of make that same leap about drinking that you are aware of other people and their weaknesses. You know, you have in the context of Paul was doing it, you got a brother here. He thinks it's wrong. You don't think it's wrong. He's like, well, look, don't, don't flaw in it. Don't put it in his face. I mean, just like, and I would

say the same about drinking a beer, if I knew a person like thinks it's wrong. I don't want to drink one dry. Well, I would never say, I'm going to drink this beer. I tell them when they tell me that, I'll say, great. Yeah. Well, Peter also says, don't use your freedom as a cover-up for evil. That's the other way. Which is a lot of people in church buildings. They're like, well, I'm free to drink. And then they're getting buzzed every night saying, well, it's okay, you know. What they do is they go out and get drunk. And they say to me sometime, well, you told me I could drink. I'm like, I just told you, drinking is not a sin. Drunkenness is. I said, man,

Self-control, dude. Yeah. But the Holy Spirit. Right. So it makes an interesting. So I did a little bit of research. So Jesus made the 180 gallons of wine up to. And that's 3,740 ounces are 150 bottles of wine.

So just to put it in our modern kinds of. How many bottles? So the kind of wine we're used to see. And that's how much wine it was. So I imagine. It had been a big wedding. Can you imagine how good it was? Here's the creator of the universe.

holds atoms and molecules in his hand. And he's like, you want a glass of wine? You know what? Watch this. Well, the host says, the host of the wedding said, everyone brings out the choice wine first, and then the cheaper wine after the guest have had too much to drink. But you've saved the best until last, until now, you know?

Yeah, you talk about God's winery. I mean, if you got God. Imagine how good that. Well, I always think about that. You know, like when he ate the fish, and the craigby. I was like, he probably picked the best physically fit fish.

I noticed these wine connoisseurs, they'll kind of roll out wine a little bit in their glass. They got a little formula there, and they'll, they'll, they'll, they'll puckered their lips a little bit when it first. I'm thinking,

that old guy knows what good wine is. I don't. You remember that movie? You remember that movie was Sinbad, you know, and it had a, I think it was Phil Hartman or whatever, and he took that glass of wine,

you know, he was like smelling it and he and somebody was there. Everybody was waiting on him to, you know, drink it. You know, and he was doing all this, you know, and he's like, hey, some people drink wine and some people date, you know, because he wasn't getting to that thing. Well, yeah, he was just like, then he took a sip and he rinsed it around. He just like had a, you know, three minute encounter him with wine. That was hilarious.

It was probably the only part of that movie was any good. It was hilarious. But my point is, you know, when you think about why God does miracles, you know, what is he trying to accomplish? Here's what this says, and you'll take it from here, Jesus, this, the first of his miraculous signs, Jesus performed. I was nice to read that. That's good. And he said, he thus revealed his glory and his disciples. put their faith in him.

Other words, it helped their faith that he turned water into wine. Which is why he did it. Which is why he did it. But he said, and you want to talk about reveal his glory, you say, here's some jars of water. He said, guess what I can do?

If you control the atoms, the atomic structure of all things, you can make choice wine out of a barrel of water. To Jason's point, so I brought this bottle of water in, if I just said, and all of a sudden it became choice wine, with me speaking it into. I would have said, I'd be with him.

Yeah, that's right. So you were talking about drawing the line on miracles, and you can make 150 bottle of wine, bottles of wine out of some jars of water, you know, miraculously, instantly, because they just went over. That's a miracle. That we can't refute.

There's some, yeah, it has to be something. I just don't like it when you go to these church buildings and you come in and the guy gets up, it's like, are you ready for a miracle today? And I'm like, I have something better than that. The ones I prayed for. They're like, what?

You have something better than a miracle? I have prayed for them, and they said the diagnosis where they are going to die. Lives wish little kids coming. We pray for them. Some on their back got tubes in them. We pray for them, and they make it. Someone says, that was a miracle. I said, no.

I said, it was just God answering prayer. He raised them up. That's why I said there's a difference. Because an atheist would say, when he got lucky, and just got better, which means... What about the guy that didn't? But even an atheist, if it had seen the water turned to wind, even an atheist would have to say, whoa.

Yeah, a miracle is when something, you have a bottle of water, and there's no trick, there's no magician, and you have the power to just go, boom. Now, on your physical anatomy, it would be, I would say, to attach a body part, that would be a miracle. Because, like, inside we can't see.

So it could be a guy working. But like if you didn't have an arm and then bam, you have a real arm, not a trick. Okay, that was a miracle. So when somebody says, do you want a miracle today, I think, boy, I'm fixing to see something here. I want to see. If you're totally blind for 40 years and some fellow walks up and says, he spits on his fingers and touches you on the eye, like, good night. I'm seeing people, but it looked like trees walking around. He said, and he did it again.

He said, what about that? And he said, good night, I can see. If you can do that, you can perform miracles. Yeah. Just like we sang the song yesterday, our Holy Roar class, we sang, it's called Waymaker. Most people probably heard it. Waymaker, miracle worker, promise keeper, light in the darkness. So you said, well, you sang that song?

Yeah, which is my point. what is the greater thing that you experience a miracle? Let's say you experience that. Or you have a really close relationship as in bond with the person who does the miracles. Where's the better place? To have a miracle happen to you on this earth or to be with part of the inner circle posse of the one who did the miracle.

Whatever one needs to remember is the witness. single even of miracles themselves will not save you. You would still have to have your faith in the blood of Jesus who died on a cross, roughly 2,000 years ago, his burial and his resurrection. You would still have to have your faith. The miracle can't save you. Blood had to be shed to remove your sin and the resurrection had to happen, or you wouldn't be part of it. In other words, it supersedes Well, it's like Lazarus. I would say the greatest miracle that could happen to you. dad when he come back. See, like, well, he's saved.

Well, guess what? He died again. Sure. So I haven't ever thought about it until this very discussion, but maybe that's why Jesus performed a miracle like this as his first one for his disciples to see because the results of the miracle. Think about it so that they had some good wine at the wedding. I mean, we would.

Nothing happened. Most people would. That was my point. Most people would even disagree with the miracle. Don't. What are you trying to do? And that was going to be my point. What was accomplishing?

tear. The only thing that was the compass was his disciple said, whoa. That's it. This guy is worthwhile. It led you to the miracle worker. Oh, there you go. I love it when it all comes together right at the end. That's the, that's the podcast. So look, I will continue to wash my hands. I don't want to get the virus. But you know what? If I do, God may heal me. It may be a supernatural act. But if he don't, guess what? I'm coming back from the dead. Yeah. That's right. It's sound logic. It is. My sins are forgiving. Very sound logic. I went in the end.

We're not getting out of here without it. I died of the coronavirus. Oh, well, I'll be back. I did read where people are not drinking Corona beer because they're afraid of the name Corona. I wonder if I started that. That's high intellect there. I may have started that, Phil. I appreciate that remark.

Yeah, there you go. See you all next week. See you next time. So we're so glad you guys were with us today. You can subscribe on iTunes or Spotify or YouTube or Facebook. And be sure and rate us on iTunes so that other people can know about the podcast.