Unashamed with the Robertson Family - Ep 592 | Phil Endures Hunting with a Painful Injury & 'If It's Pus, Call an Ambulance!'

Episode Date: December 4, 2022

Phil is suffering an injury during this episode, but Jase and Al can't stop laughing at the redneck remedies that he has tried. Despite his circumstances, Phil decides to power through the duck hunt and tell his story! Zach discusses the thing about time that can really annoy people and how coming to the end of an absurd belief can leave you urgently seeking hope. And Phil talks about amazing benefits of horse ornaments!  The Blind hits theaters in 2023. Get updates, trailers, behind-the-scenes moments, and special opportunities here: https://theblindmovie.com - Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

I am unashamed. What about you? It took me 20 minutes to get out of my bed and walk to the bathroom. It took me 20 minutes. That was this morning? To go from the bed to the floor. It took me 20 minutes, both yesterday and the day before. Today, though. So are you getting any better? Oh, yeah. I don't know if he'd know if he was, you know.

I'm sitting right here. I'm getting better. What are you talking about? No, you did good, Phil. Nobody's ever going to say you're not tough. Pull the muscle. Did you ever talk to Zach about, can you talk about the Patriot thing? Zach, I think we can talk about the Patriot.

I've already seen it. I mean, it's out, so. Yeah. I'll watch it. Okay. Yeah, we can talk. I think we're recording right now, right? well all right we'll just yeah this is it this is this is a true cold open right here when

we went through probably the first three minutes of the podcast or minute and a half of the podcast and we we didn't know i knew we recorded you guys didn't know us we probably should tell the audience of what what had they stepped in on here with the conversation about 20 minutes getting out of bed you were nervous that phil was driving what's the well i mean phil uh one day before Doug season is down. This is the story I heard. It's trying to move the boat because it's a low water year. And I think he had a flashback and thought he was 26 instead of 76.

So he pulls a muscle or tears a muscle. He did something bad in his back. This was on the day before, Duxus. The day before. Okay. But Phil showed up. And it's about as down as I've ever seen you. just in life.

And Phil, because Phil wouldn't just, most people would have just said, you know what? Yeah, I need to sleep. I've torn, I've torn a muscle in my back.

Because, you know, duck hunting is rough. It's rough as you're 100% healthy. Even if you're, we were trying to cater and get him to the blind, we didn't know for sure how deep the water was. Well,

it wasn't quite deep enough to get the boat under the boat run in the blind. So that means you've got to get out, haul all the stuff, put out the decoys. So until about 9 o'clock on opening day, Phil said, hey, Jay, go get the boat. And so I don't think Phil has ever volunteered to say, let's go. Especially on opening day. It was really cold also. It's a wet cold here.

Because if you say the temperature, people are like, oh, it was 34 degrees. I've been just sitting there. Yeah, Phil was violent and shaking. Shaking. Shaking. Hurting. Hurting. cold. Well, Phil didn't even have a coat on.

Yeah. It's the worst. So he lays down. So he lays down the gutton, right. Well, on opening day he didn't. Today, now we took yesterday off, which was Sunday. Yeah. And then today, they all tried to talk Phil out of not going. And, uh, but there he was. But he, he had had some doctors intervened. And, uh, to my surprise, uh, they gave him something that was one of the greatest.

One of the greatest conversion stories ever was when I converted a heart surgeon, and I missed being there because I was down in my back, but I didn't tell him. I didn't call him another, no, I just had it, but he called me. You miss your class. Yeah, you miss your class Sunday, and he said, what's wrong? It says something about the consistency of a person because the minute he found out you weren't there. because you were down, he got on the phone because he knew something was wrong with you. He said, why didn't y'all call me about that?

Ms. Kay said, well, I know you got a lot of people, you know. No, I think I said pride, stubbornness, dear. You don't get it. He said, I'm a doctor. He said, I've had what you've had a couple of times. I stripped how to pull muscle. Yep. He said, that's the worst.

Yeah. He said, I've been through the getting, it took me 20 minutes. to get out of bed. Just to put your feet on the floor. To get my feet on the floor and be standing upright, it took me 20 minutes. I am. But, Phil, if you take one of those muscle relaxers, it might have taken you two, but you might have been moving in your mind in slow motion.

Oh, but as before I had any medicine. Oh, okay. As before the doctor called, when he found out I didn't, wasn't in class. He said, I wonder where he went. So somebody said, well, I think he's down in his back. So the doc calls me up and says, look, here's what you get you get. Get somebody up right now and get these three medicines. And he said, because I've had what you've had before.

Yeah. Pull the muscle on my back. He said, that's the rough as it gets. Yeah. So I did. I took what he said. And, I mean, overnight, I was sleeping this morning, see. This morning, Phil.

I was sleeping on the blind. Well, boom, boom, boom. Boom, boom. It was a strange sight because Phil got in the blind. I have to tell our audience, don't be offended because we're laughing. It's the way we are. He's better now. I'll tell you the real story of what happened, because Phil probably won't even remember this in a couple of hours.

But I looked down and he made a pillow with his coat. I mean, it wasn't one of our more comfortable blinds. You know, is that blind up the lane? I mean, it's not comfortable. And I looked and I thought, well, Phil's taking a nap. But it was like five minutes after legal, you know. Well, you got to remember, got to remember the little redneck woman that's Ms. Kay's, what would you call it when you get, when you take care of an older person?

She's her assistant. Huh? She's her assistant. Call her an assistant. Yep. Yeah. She come up there. She got wind of it.

So she sets up a bottle on the table. and I looked at it and it said horse arnamate, but you know, you put it on horses to. Oh, like to loosen them up? Like a liniment? Horse liniment. Yeah, she had horse liniment. She had horse liniment.

She said, you take this stuff right here, she was telling me about it. And I said, I said, a horse liniment? I said, do you think out of work? She said, oh, it'll work, you know. Well, she said, let me see. Where is it? She pulled up the back of my shirt.

I had my woman, witness and all this. She pulled up my shirt, and she started putting this horse ornament on my back. Well, I had put that, somebody had put this freeze all, you got, you said, it's a bottle. Oh, yeah, bowel freeze. All right. Somebody had just put bowel freeze a couple of hours and rubbed it in. Well, when the horse ornament. Hit that.

Lillamette. She said, good night. You've got pus coming out of your back. I said, I said, if it's pus back there, call an ambulance. I said, because I don't think it's pus. I said, it ain't that. She said, oh, well, there's something out. I said, well, it's that bio freeze after you put the horse litemate on.

I mean, you're talking about a redneck trying to get a redneck off up on his feet. Good night. I got this redneck girl that helped me his case stay alive, putting horse on them. Lennem it. Everybody had the idea about they had diagnosed me. I said, look, if it is pus, all the namlets right now. I hadn't even heard that story. I had either.

I thought it was a pull muscle, but I got a diagnosed by the redneck girl. I said, no, honey, you're a little awful. I said, that's a bowel freeze mixed with the horse lintam. That's what you see. Oh, my goodness. Look right here. When I reach right here, just like a knife in my back right now. Yeah.

When I do this right here. Don't do that. Don't do that. Yeah. I mean, I'm. So Phil took a nap today. You're still here over two days. So we shot a couple bunches, you know, and I looked down, but Phil ain't moved.

And I was like, is he breathing? And God said, oh, he's snoring. And I was like, wow. But then you, Phil woke up probably, I don't know, 815, 8.30. And you were like, hey, all right. How many we got? He was back. Yeah, we probably should say that this, for those of y'all listening that are confused by this interaction, this is for us.

This is what compassion looks like. Yeah. When somebody, we know they're okay. Then we laugh about it. Well, we weren't really livid. about it in the blind but I guess now that we're revisiting it because I kept thinking boy he sure is a tough old boy it was cold this morning I was like do you feel better feel you feel like you're getting better oh from the last night I took the real doctor's advice

on what to take and when to take it and it helped a whole lot I got up this morning it took me about a minute, a minute and a half to kind of get over where I can get off of my feet could hit. And you had to see what it is right now? I can't just stand up right now. If I stand up, it's a hurt my back. However, if you take both hands and you put on your legs and you press down on your legs, I got my pressure on my legs right here.

See, I get up. You make me nervous. Don't over do it, though. See, I can get up now. And I sit back down, I push her down on my leg. And it's not like a knife in your back. I mean, I'm just, I barely can't stand up. But I got to be careful doing that.

Yeah, we don't want you to re-injure. So I'm 70-stick, but I'm still kicking. I'll be back. I'll be back. So it's been an interesting opening of duck season. Well, we actually had a really good duck hunt today. That's what you were saying. It was a big freeze coming in, right?

It was a little week on opening day. but today was, you know, we weren't, but just a few shy of the limit. So it was, and we got some good eating ducks. We had some wood ducks and teal, and so everybody was excited about that. We're going to make our cornbread dressing with those this morning, because they were woodies and they were very fat, got a good acin. We also shot three green wing, too. I don't know if you.

Three wood green wings. I love those green wings, so. Yeah, you take it easy on it. I left right before, I guess I left right before, because I was down there, last week filming, which we had to get Greg Sampanaro, who's the cardiologist. Yeah,

that's the one that's him. Yeah. I actually called, I'll go ahead and carry your conversation. Where's he going? He's going to tell Guy one to pick the green wing teal. So. There is a little,

I mean, he has a doctor to excuse everyone. There's a doctor's excused everyone. This has been my. my last, my last four hours. But I feel like, again, I have to express to the audience. So this is, this is the way dad is, though. Like, if he's, he's not going to stop.

I mean, he's like, he's, uh, I mean, since Phil Lell. Because we tried to get him to, like, stay home, rest. Dad, you got the rest of the duck season. I actually could have said this in his presence because I'm 99.9% sure he will not have any recollection of the proceedings here. But, uh, what, you know, I think this is, this is why people love, this is why I love it. I mean, it, it is like truly reality.

It's real life. Yeah, you're like, you're, you're witnessing something. It's not staged. It's not staged. The way that works. Here it comes. You go out there and I shuck me a 50, Chris, $50 bill. And I gave it to old Godwin, so Godwin, get them three T or two.

Here's your money. You don't have to do that, but it's, you know, I have to do that. but his ham was already moving toward mine. So he wasn't saying no. I just wanted to get it, motivate him to pick the teal because I ain't got time to pick the teal. We've got a podcast. I hope this doesn't catch on in churches. They're like, give him a bunch of muscle relax.

Put some muscle relaxers in the Lord's shopping. And the $50 bills are flowing. Yeah, and it'll relax that muscle off that hand so it can reach down into the wallet. Oh. I was happy. I'd have done it for 20. Phil, but anyway. Yeah, I had one of them, I did a wedding on Saturday, and so I'd already tell them as one of

our neighbors down here, and I'd married his brothers and his mom's hairdresser, her son, you know, and she takes great care of mom. So I'd already told the boy, I said, look, I don't do this for money anymore. And at one time, somebody's let me a hondo to do a wedding. I was proud of it, you know. I was like, don't give me any money. I just don't want it to be where we get there. Well, his pawn-in-law, his future paw-in-law, comes up.

and he holds out a $100 bell. I said, no, no, I'm getting. And he just puts it in my pocket. Yeah. So I'm like, you got to take it. Well, right. But what they didn't know was once the wedding was over, I slipped it in the pocket of the young man. I said, here, this is for you, honeymoon.

This is on Paul-in-law. So I gave it back to him. So that's the way it worked. We just worked at right. Tell us about you. I want to hear about your, since we did the last podcast. You did the, which I have watched it now, so I saw it. I thought it was really funny.

But you presented an award at the Patriot Award. I didn't actually present an award. What they do, they have the Patriot Awards. I was not familiar with it because I don't watch TV much. But, you know, we have our show on their network. So we were invited down, and they said we would be part of the presentation. So what they do is they do Patriot Awards, but they also introduce their new shows and things.

And so they did a run-through, and it was Murray and Jep and me. Missy came. I think it was just us for it. Was Jessica there? Jessica was supposed to go, but Gus had the fleet. Okay. And so she didn't go. And we had our show runner for our show, went with us.

So we did the run-through, but I thought, well, this is kind of weird. because we were introducing a documentary just about animals that they have coming out. But I wasn't familiar with it. Yeah. At that time, you and Missy was on your right, Jason and. Jeff. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. They were on your left. Yeah. And they had y'all in the background. Right. About five minutes before y'all came on, they had the camera. Well, they did that. Because the host, which was Pete,

Yeah, Higgs-Heth. Higgs-Heth, they had him on a camo, like, tucks, I guess, camo suit. And so I think somebody probably in the truck, as they say, said, hey, get in front of those duck guys with the camo. And so they did that. But I forgot even the reason of that. But, you know, they're honoring first responders and police officers.

Oh, it's a great. It's a very good. People who are. So. Sine I went a couple years ago. But anyway, I read the little teleprompter there in the run through, and I thought, hmm, this show is new to me. Yeah. And so I just thought, I feel like I need to tell why we're here.

And so somebody in charge there, when I said, look, I'm not real sure what that teleprompter, whoever wrote that, I'm not real sure what that's talking about. And she said, well, you just do whatever you want to do. I said, okay. And I thought if this is a disaster, there was a brown-haired woman that came by here and told me. So I basically just got up there. And if it had gone south, she just said, I don't know who that guy is.

I don't know who that guy is. I told Jep and Murray, I said, follow my leave. And I said, Mary, just we'll have you announce whatever the show is. And I said, Jeff, you can tell a little bit of, I'll throw to you. So what happened was I went out there because I thought, here we are in Fort, Fort Lauderdale. I guess it was Hollywood, Florida, which is almost near Miami. Oh, yes, down there. So I give my.

And the people there are enthusiastic about it. I was about 7,000 fans. And then the, where you saw where all the tables were, where all their, you know, their hosts. Everybody you ever seen. Yeah, yeah, they were all there. They were all there. And so I just said, look, I basic,

I don't remember exactly what I said, but I said, we're in search for treasure, and we found it here in this room. And I said, the reason we're enamored and award human beings like this is because they show God-like qualities, faith, hope, and unconditional love. I said, but I want to tell you, we get that from the creator of the universe

and Almighty God. So when I said that, they all cheered, which I thought was a good sign. Yep, I thought I had to get too. And then you'll like this, Zach. I said, I am unashamed that I believe there's a God and he is alive or real or something.

I kind of went by the Holy Spirit. I don't remember exactly what I said, but it was something in that vein. And the reason I did that, That was my first little point. So then I threw it to the creation. So I said, we treasure hunt. We found treasure here in the heart.

Oh, and I did say that. I said, I quoted that first, is it first or second Samuel where it says that people, man looks at the outward appearance of people, but God looks at the heart. Samuel 16, yeah. I said that. I quoted that. And so then my second little point was we also spend a lot of time in God's creation. So I had this deal about the creator. So you're leading up to the show.

Here's the deal. I knew the first line of the teleprompter because it was introduced. It said we spend a lot of time in Mother Nature or whatever it said. But I changed that into God's creation. Well, here was where I messed up. Because I quoted the first line of the teleprompter, but since I changed it to God's creation, they didn't realize I had started. So the prompt was it moving. So when I said the first line in that the God's creation. They're waiting for you to get back to the script. I looked at Jepep and said, tell us about the show, Jep. I threw him under the bus. That's officially a bus thrown. So Jop, they knew that Jep was going to talk second.

So then they started moving it. So once they started moving it, I interrupted Jep because I knew he had nothing to say because it's not his time yet. So I said, you remember it's a documentary about it. animals and so then they had him queued up and Jep said nature from all over the world

he was reading a couple of sentences because I told him I said I'm don't be scared but when you start reading I'm going to do something so he tigers dragging down prey and things just before they were ripped a piece of dollars well that was after though Phil they showed that so when Jep said he said something

about animals all across the globe and I said hold the teller prompter, Jelp. And Jep, looked at me like, I said, I know what everybody's thinking. Because this is kind of the problem I had because I thought, people are probably thinking, why do you have a bunch of duck hunters introducing a nature show?

That's what you actually said. You said that. Yeah, that's what I said. This is what I said. As you realize, before you finish the story, you have taken the unashamed format and you parked it right in the middle of this scripted award show. That's what you did.

So then I said, I know what you're thinking. And I did. I think I mentioned that. I said, look, I'm struggling with this teleprompter anyway. I said, because we have an unscripted show.

I did that because my showrunner was there. So I thought she'd find that humorous. But so then I said, but I just want everybody to do, no, no, something. I'm making this official here. And I said, we love animals. I think I was in my family.

We love animals. Well, the whole place cheered when I said that. A pretty good roar. It was a pretty good roar. And I waited just a second, and I said, they're delicious. It was a joke, sort of. Did they roar it louder? Didn't they really laugh?

And so I thought, then I went back to Jep. I said, back to you, Jeff. And Jep said, it's a show about animals and it's awesome. And Murray said, whatever the name of it was, I think the, the, the, the year planet earth a year a year on planet earth and then just the lights went out and they played the oh for the show they played the clip but we didn't get to see the the one i want you you remember phil's uh every single episode of duck dynasty when phil would end with the prayer he would pray for thank thanking god for another day on planet earth so that there is there was a tie in there

But I thought, I may never be invited back, especially once I went off script. I was going to let everybody know that we believe that God is real. Yep. And we do love nature. We call it what it is. I think the created, I was subtly saying the created thing should point you to a creator. They've got it about as close as they get as Mother Nature. Well, yeah.

And I was like, I'm not reading that. I mean, I don't find that offensive. I would rather say God's creation. And so, of course, then I said to Jeff and Murray, I said, let's get out of here in case that they didn't like that. Tell the girls we'll meet them at the plane. The plane! Because the one you wonder about us, whoever produced that show, I don't know what they thought about it. I'm sure the teleprompter person was probably helped up off the floor and I just went rogue.

But I thought, but now look, having said all that, I only went three or four. four minutes. Yeah. And we were, I mean, it was short, sweet to the point, and we did our job.

At least there's a slot for the Lord Jesus and creation somewhere in America because during this recent election, y'all correct me if I'm wrong, I never heard the word Jesus mentioned at any time

through the entire election for who's going to be the be the run the house and the Senate and all that. I would have thought somebody would at least shared the gospel with, you know, Jesus died for us now, I was buried and raised from the dead. If that's not true, nobody's getting out of here alive. Nobody. No.

If it is true, there's a resurrection in life. There's immortality. Well, let's take another break. That was, Dad, you just swerved into my lesson yesterday. So I was talking about the second coming, because we're coming. because we're kind of doing we're doing a series called the inverted gospel

where we start at the end and wind up at the beginning because Christmas Day is on Sunday this year. Is it? Yeah, so it's kind of a cool concept. I was looking ahead. Yeah.

Do you know of any other story that deals with that particular issue? No. But my point was, if a story is compelling, you can come into it at any point of the story and if it's interesting, you'll want to hear more.

People make good movie. Well, tell us, did you preach out of Mark where we've been? No, but I was thinking, because we're in Mark 12, about to talk a little bit about heaven. What was your sermon? Where did you come out of? I didn't have a specific verse. Here's the way I put it. And this is kind of a, I've never said this before in a sermon, because I never really thought about it, to be honest.

But I got to thinking about the idea of the Second Coming, and you think about God being outside of time and space, right? And then he created, there's no beginning for him or end. So he just always is. It's interesting that he's outside of time and space, but he is the time marker for the whole whole world to this day. So my point, so I began with this statement. I said, so from God's perspective, and then I said, now, we say on the podcast, I could be wrong, because when you say the words from God's perspective, I looked in the mirror this morning, I'm not God. So I'm just,

I'm theorizing here that from God's perspective, the second coming has already happened. Well, because he's outside of time and space. Exactly. So what I'm saying is, if there's no beginning and no end for God, but there was a beginning and end for us,

we're just waiting in our time and space for him to come and usher in this new reckoning. And it's a lot of things, but it's a great hope. Yeah. No, I've said that before, and people were like, what? Yeah.

I was like, God does not wait. There's no waiting rooms in heaven. No. Just let that sink in. There's no clocks there either. Nope. And I made the point. It's pretty incredible.

No allergies or diets either. Well, you consider that like the time itself was created. I mean, that is a mind-blowing. That is right. That is correct. Here's what helped me get this. And I forgot who gave this illustration. but it was a good one.

Somebody drew a line on a board, just a straight line. It's from board to board, as far as you could go. Yep. And he's like, imagine that line, never ending.

You know, if you want to make it a circle, make it a circle, but just, it keeps on going and it never stop. There's no beginning. There's no end. And then he's like,

we were inserted on the line. Yep. So that makes sense when you said what you said. He's not, wait, it was just inserted on the line. And there's a lot in the Bible about it. So I went to Psalm 90, which is where I started. And I use your line, dad, because I said, Moses wrote this 1,700 years before Jesus,

along with the Torah, Genesis through Deuteroni. Now, so this guy wrote this down 3,700 years ago. Yeah. And I said, if dad were here today, he'd say, what department in saltwater gave him this information? Yeah. He said, Lord, you have been our dwelling place throughout all generations. So that's in time, right? Because I made the point that because God is outside time and space, he also operates inside time and space.

He created the whole thing. Well, right. But then he says that. That's why I said, we're inserted on the line, but the line is. God. That's right. Because God is life. That's a key designation. Because people get very confused and I talked later about it in the sermon about predestination. So before the mountains were born or you brought forth the whole world. So now he's talking about before we were even made, from everlasting to everlasting, you are God. So now he's back to God before he ever created us.

I mean, he's painting quite the picture almost 4,000 years ago. You talk about a man with some insight. What kind of man? How far did you think the guy who wrote that right there? How far had he been on planet Earth as far as if you wanted to travel? What's the greatest distance he probably traveled? Oh, his whole time was spent right there in Egypt. I mean, you know, the biggest trip he took was through that desert heading toward Israel.

And he comes up and says that. That's right. the world. But he did spend some powwow time. Where did he come up with that? He did spend some powwow time with the Almighty and he come out glowing. Get all the philosophers together, but just get them down and start there, Al, and go from there. And it's quite the story.

So let me read this other statement. You turn people back to dust, saying return to dust, you mortals. So he puts it back in time. You're only got a certain, you're very linear, as Jesus Christ. And it's quick. Then he said, but then he says this. but a thousand years in your sight are like a day. So to God, a thousand years, 24 hours.

Then he says, or are watching the night, which I looked it up. That's six hours. So he said to God, a thousand years, six hours, six minutes, six milliseconds. Yeah, I'd argue there's a, I think a lot of theological debates and arguments come down to the concept of time. and we're trying to understand and articulate a being who exist outside of that. And I think I've said this on the podcast before. We're so limited, right, even in the discussion, because when we talk about space and time, which are both functions of the created universe, but this is not, we're trying to understand what that means, right?

But we can't really access even the discussion about it because we are so limited and we are bound to space and time. So if I were to ask the question, what, you know, what was God doing before he created time? That's a question that doesn't even make sense because before is a word. That's a temporal word, right? That's a word that has to do with time. So we didn't even have the language capabilities. Or if I said, what is beyond space, the edge of space? Well, beyond is a spatial term.

And so I think when we try to imagine a being, and I think we should try to comprehend this because what it does, it leads you to a frustration, a good frustration. to understand the bigness of who God is, that we don't even possess the language and the ability to talk about a being who exists outside of space and time. We don't even have the language for it. I mean, so I think... Go ahead, now. Now, I was going to say, and that was exactly my point. That's why I started where I started, because then you interject Jesus into this equation,

who became one of us. He put himself in space and time as one of us to do some things that would ultimately lead to our salvation. Let's take a break. And then, Jay, so I read, I did the John 8, you know, before Abraham was born I am, which is, again, like Zach was saying, that didn't even make any sense from our perspective. What do you mean before everyone?

And then I also did Mark 12, which we're going to get to later. Well, yeah, this is a great, review to the argument we left. I mean, we had this argument about the politics, you know, give to Caesar. Right. What is Caesar's and the God? What is God? I mean, giving your allegiance to God.

And then, so then you have this argument about the afterlife, which in my prep for our discussion, which I, I knew you were preaching on this. I mean, I skimmed your lesson because you just included it in the notes. but I was surprised at how many people, I looked at various polls and, you know, take them for what they're worse. But most people from the data I looked at believe in the afterlife. There are very few people out there. I mean, it was less than 10% in every poll imaginable,

whether it was from a church or from the world, who do not have some view of what's going, through the door, the death door, which was kind of shocking to me. Yeah. But when you think about it, it really makes sense because if there's nothing, well, then why do any, it's just absurd. Life itself is absurd. Right.

That's right. And but also think about this, every human being that's born was created in the image of God. That's what he said in Genesis 1-26. So inside of every one of us is in our DNA, God put in us, there's something that has a yearning for something more, revelation, whatever. Now, whether people ever act on it or do anything about it, it's there. Remote, the remotest people we can find. Right.

Cultures. They all have this thinking life beyond the grave. Well, that's one of the truths that's mentioned in Ecclesiastes 311 that says that God has set eternity in the hearts of men. There you go. He's put that in your heart. So you think, man, our CS Lewis said if you find yourself longing for more than this world can provide, perhaps you were made for another world. And I think that's what Lewis was getting at is what's in Ecclesiastes. It's this idea.

And we all have it. I mean, we have the longing for more. We have the longing for something that's transcendent. We have the longing for context. We have this longing for eternity because even in our discussion of it, there's a reason why we're trying to figure out. Like, what's this whole time and space thing about? The reason why we're trying to figure it out, because we don't like the idea that we are temporal, finite beings that are going to one day evaporate. Like there's got to be more to it than that, right?

And, you know, I think that's what kind of drives a lot of the philosophical and scientific, pursuits. I mean, I just pulled this off my shelf, a book I read a few years ago by Stephen Hawkin, a brief history of time. And I was looking for a quote in there that he said, because, you know, this guy was very instrumental in what's called the development of the standard model of physics. And he says here in this book, I think this is interesting. He says, he's talking about time and the fact that time has a beginning. And he says, many people do not like the idea that time has a beginning. beginning, probably because it smacks of divine intervention. In other words, if time has a beginning, then there's got to be a God.

And he said the Catholic Church, on the other hand, seized on the big bang model in 1951 and officially pronounced it as to be accurate with the Bible. This is this, though. Therefore, there were a number of attempts to avoid the conclusion by the scientific community that there have been a big bang. And the reason why is because that if it's true that time has the beginning, then Stephen Hawken, who was an atheist, was like, then there's a God. And so in other words, we came up with these scientific models through Einstein's theory of relativity and all this stuff. And as we expand our knowledge in the scientific world, we realize the time had a beginning.

And then we're like, oh, no, that can't be true because if that's true, then there's got to be a God. I said now the entire scientific community, in particular in physics, is trying to get away from this. They're trying to get away from what's called the standard model because of that reason. And I think that it's like every time we think we make a discovery that is going to disprove the existence of God, we actually run right back into the necessity of his being. That's a pretty big power that you cannot escape him. You know what I mean? And I think that a lot of the lands of time.

Well, what's amazing to me is you just mentioned. several smart people and people that have come up with amazing things. And yet almost 4,000 years ago, it was a guy that basically laid out the whole situation. I mean, you know, because he was getting it from the creator. And so that's why the Bible is so powerful. And the reason I went this route on my sermon, because I got to the point about the second coming. I said, well, what does all that stuff you're talking about time and space have to do with the second coming? And I said, not much, just everything. Because if you don't understand how, big God is and who he is.

Wasn't it 4,000 years ago? I mean, they just found it within not too long ago. Some red door or something from the Mayans. It was supposedly over the tomb. And, you know, they go in there and there's like a decapitated head that they had made incisions on where they could eat and drink during their death. Yeah. And the point was, I mean, you can, you know, you can look it up on the internet because it was like it was a big deal. Even in Hollywood, a lot of them wrote about it because it was, you know, they're thinking of movie ideas.

You know, they had some underwater cave, you know, where they're exploring and they find this door to hell. And whether they believe it or not is irrelevant, but they thought, well, it would be a good movie. Yeah. That's right. But I'm saying about, it's weird that you said that because that's about the same time frame. Right. And it just shows you that we all have something inside of us. Yep, that's like, because if you just say, who was the writer who came up with all those really depressing short stories of Kafka or whatever from Germany?

And it's like they made a bunch of movies about it. It was like one of them was, I think, called The Trial. And he was like panicked the whole time. I think Anthony Perkins was in it. But the whole time it was like he was accused of doing a crime. and he was panicked about it, but he never knew what it was. And then the idea being,

we've all done something wrong. But he had another one about, where he wanted to go before the law and say his peace, and there was a door there, and he could see some radiance. And so he was like, that's the door to the other side,

you know? So he just became enamoring with it, and he sat there, but the gatekeeper kept telling him to wait, No, you got to wait. Well, he wait. A month happened, you know, six months. And he's wanting to get in there.

So he started trying to bribe the gatekeeper. This is the story, you know. And so it's like after a while, the guy's sending for all his money, you know, he's abandoned his family, his job. He's trying to get on the other side of this race. And at the end, he gets so old. He can't do anything. And he's like, I mean, what do I got to do?

And they're like, nothing. We're not letting you in. It's like the most depressing. thing ever. It's like, we're shutting the door. And the guy's like, well, where are all the other people? And they're like, this door was only for you. And you can't get in.

And that's it. So all these people talk about what it mean, what is the radiance, brother? And it's like, it's the most depressing, terrible. I mean, if there's no. I think that's, yeah. There's nothing. I mean, the guy wrote this 100 years ago. and people are still trying to.

Franz Kafka. Yeah. Franz, that's who wrote, but he was a... But they make movies out of all his stuff, and they're all depressing because he's like, he couldn't find the neck, you know, when I read something like that, I'm like, oh, this guy needs Jesus.

Was he an atheist? Yeah, well, I think what it is is, is... I think he was a Jew who had kind of a rough childhood or something. I remember hearing the story. Are you talking about Kafka? Yeah.

Yeah. Do you know his hang on is that. Let's take our last break. All right, go ahead. I don't think he was a believer. You know what his history is that? I just looked him up. I think he was born with General Austrian citizenship.

German, Austrian. He may have been Jewish, though. No, he was Jewish. I remember that. It says here that he was heavily influenced, wrote a lot about what's called existential anxiety, which if you've done any research on kind of existentialism, which I think is more that's a word for the day. Can you use it in a sentence first?

You know what? I'm not going to go down that right. I'd like to know what that means. I brought the guy up. They do it. Well, we would probably know the term is postmodernism. Existentialism, postmodernism. It's an idea that truth is relative, that there is no ultimate reality other than what we

determine for ourselves. we would know it as like, you do your, I have my truth and you do your truth. And I think a lot of these existential philosophers and poets and writers, what they were writing about was the absurdity of it all, right? And so you end up with a term called nihilism, which is nothing matters. And I think that's a good, I mean, I think what Al's lesson is tackling is you have to bring this up because these people, if they're living, I'm saying people, as in all human beings, If you're just going to live like the door is not opening, even if you just devote your life to seeing it open. But ultimately, I mean, you don't have to interpret that any other way is that that's really true without Jesus. That's right.

Well, I'm boiled a death. Go ahead. It's funny because I've quoted this guy a lot. He probably was the most influential writer for at least shaping the way I see the world was Francis Schaefer. And he talked a lot, he wrote a lot about existentialism and a lot of, or what we would call postmodernism. He didn't call it that. But in his method of evangelism, what he said our goal is, is to expose the absurdity of this. And he used like an analogy that I thought was so good.

So you got to be careful with this. Because once you kind of learn the technique and of how to expose the absurdity of this, he said it's like, imagine somebody at the bottom of a mountain. And they've got this tin shed over their head. It's like the rocks are coming down on top of it. They're bouncing off because they got the shed. He said, your goal is to, because there's a big boulder coming that's going to crush them. He said, you got to remove that thing and exposed it for what it is and it's going to be painful. But he also said, you have to be careful because if you, if you lead someone to the end of their, of their postmodernism or existentialism, then the end of that is not good.

Without Jesus. Yeah. Without Jesus, then life is completely pointless. But wouldn't you say that that this. relative truth that you're mentioned that Schaefer talked about because he was, you know, a few decades ago, isn't what you're currently seeing in our culture a result of what happens when you have your own set of truth and your own whatever? I mean, precisely. Factious. I mean, just look at culture. I mean, it leads you, yeah, because what happens is you can't, like,

you can't bear the weight of carrying reality on your shoulders. Nobody can. Right. So if I'm the, if I'm determining reality for myself, I'm going to determine my own truth. Like, what does that even mean? Like, now I'm bearing that responsibility. And the weight of that is too much for a human being to carry. And so I think it's one of the primary discussions that we need to be having today is, is there a truth? And if so, where does it come from? And you can't really escape the fact that it comes from God.

One of the things that I got chastised for when I ran for Congress was a podcast that I used to do another podcast years ago. And I had an episode that was on Sandy Hook, you know, when the kids got killed at Sandy Hook. And one of the things I said in the episode was that inside of an atheistic worldview, there's nothing inside that worldview that would prevent something like Sandy Hook from happening. I'm not saying that atheism caused it. But my point, and that's what they said, I said, which is not what I said. But my point was, if we determine truth for ourselves, then where in the world does morality come from?

Yeah. Where does the value of human life come from? If it's purely subjective and we determine it for ourselves, then who gets to determine it? What if we disagree on the value of somebody's life? Then who's to say I'm wrong and who's to say I'm right if it's all determined from ourselves? And the answer is the person who gets to determine it, which is what Phil's movie was about, torch bearer. It's the one that has the biggest stick. It's the one that has the most power.

might becomes right. Whoever's got the most power gets, and this is the problem with history, right? When you look at tyrannical regimes that emerge or any moral depravity where people are abused and all this, it all comes down to who gets to determine what's right and wrong. And one of the ideas that our country was founded on, and I'm not saying that the founding fathers got it all right, and I'm not even saying they were all believers because I don't think they were. But this part, they did get right. that if you're going to have an anchor for reality and an anchor for human rights,

an anchor for liberty or whatever the thing is you want to say, whatever that anchor is, it has to be non-arbitrary, which means it has to be something that does not move. It can't be determined by us, because if it's determined by us, then it becomes subjective, and you have no real anchor. And that was the idea of Genesis 126 that all man's made the image of God. And from that truth there, everything should flow from that in terms of how we see ourselves in our position in reality. Sorry, went off a little tangent there. Oh, it's good because we're going to, after that resurrection argument, there's going to be an argument about the morality issue.

So I think this is a good foundation for us. It was a good setup for that. By the way, just add it all up. we who followed Jesus Christ, who did all of what we read about before the beginning of time. Time. He's the marker of all time.

Yep. And once that's over, this first, in this age, when this ends, it's the end of time, as we see it. It's immortality. forever. You get on that line.

We have the best story. Yeah, we stay on the line. He's going to make, yeah, that's right. Well, give us your point. So what I'm going to do is because we're out of time. I know, but you can give us your points and it'll be a lead in to the overtime. Yeah, so I'm going to give you my conclusion of where I wound up because all that was to set up that he's coming back. You know, that was the promise.

And then when he does, some things are going to happen. We're going to understand eternity. because then we're going to get to experience it. So we leave time. Time has gone for us as well. But then there's also justice, and I had quite a bit to say about that, and then what I call the Great Reckoning.

So we'll talk about that in the overtime. I'll give you my conclusion to my sermon. Thanks for listening to the Unashamed podcast. Help us out by rating us on iTunes. And don't miss an episode by subscribing on YouTube, and be sure to click that little bell to get notified about new episodes. And for even more content that you, you won't get anywhere else, subscribe to Blaze TV at blazedv.com slash unashamed.