Unashamed with the Robertson Family - Ep 594 | Jase Explains the Wild Way the Robertsons Communicate & 'How Much Can We Get Away With?'

Episode Date: December 7, 2022

Jase compares Robertson family events to a particular episode of "The Andy Griffith Show" and talks about how Robertson plans are usually communicated at the last minute. Al discusses the question about sin young people always ask when they are growing up. Jase bites into a duck, finds a piece of #6 shot between his teeth, and smiles because he knows who shot that duck! Al jokes about how a house full of teenagers is a house with missing phone chargers. And Phil challenges people to be honest with God about the sin they think they are hiding from him. - Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

I am unashamed. What about you? Tell you something. When you have a muscle, a whole muscle in your back, and you sit on a five-gallon bucket. Oh, man. We need to get you a better chair in there. I'll make an adjustment tomorrow. We just back from the hunt. I didn't make him feel any better because I wanted to scout a hole for potentially tomorrow. On the way back. I'll say this with no doubt about it. I'm just looking forward to a resurrected body with no backache.

This thing's got you looking to the resurrection. So to finish my story, we stopped. And I said, how long do we get to the podcast? And they said, 10 minutes. So I just We got a new waiter sponsor And they're a lot more sleek than typical waiters And those are the look of them, they look pretty good

So I just took off running in the waiters And I thought this is either I'm going to put them to the test It's either not going to end well Because I've never been able to run in a pair of chess waders But I just gathered more speed I gathered more speed And I thought

And why were you in real? Why were you running? Well, because once I got to the ducko... Most people don't run in waiters. Once I got to the ducko, I thought it may take longer to scout it, and I didn't want to be way late for the Pockage. Okay, I got you. So I just ran the leg that, you know, just to...

Because you have to, if there had been a bunch of ducks there, you would never want to pull down there, and then they all get up because they just left. Right. And they probably not coming back. So I ran the first leg and then I started slipping, but once I got down there, it wasn't enough water. Well, it reminds me of the time that I was squirrel hunting out of season. Is this B.J? Before I repented.

Yeah, before Jesus is no. Before I repented, I've got a big bunch of squirrels. It's not quite squirrel season. And I kept. And if you're going to hunt out of season, limits don't really count. feeling that I was being followed. So I looked around and a game warden stepped out. Behind a tree, he stepped out in front of the tree.

And he said to me, I had my squirrels stuck on a big old pen like that, that you could just run it through their hand. I could just unhitch it and they all fall where you could run. Speaking of running. And so he was about 50 yards from me, and he identified himself as a gamboyant. And I said, that's what I thought. And I mean, when I say, did I run? But unlike you, I didn't have waiters.

I had nylon socks real tight fit that I could ease along in the woods. So I broke and ran, and there was a race that ensued. But the game warden saw pretty quick, I'm not going to catch that one. You were a college athlete. I was a college athlete. You will not catch me today. That's the last thing I remember. The feeling that you were being watched may have been a guilty conscience also, Phil.

That's one of the reasons I repented. I needed to repent. He came to the Lord. But you had to drop the squirrels because they would weigh you down. I had to leave the squirrels worthy or I had to drop them and run. I've heard you tell that story before. Well, today's hunt was actually pretty good. We came one whisker, which is we hunted all year last year.

And I never saw a bunch of 50 ducks with any intention of heading toward our direction at any part of the whole season. Slow here. But today we had submarine and we looked up. I heard them chuckling. And I was like, get up, get up, get it, got, because I heard them just. And I was thinking four or five. And I looked up and it was 50. And they just came in the hole, made about five.

passes probably and could have shot them yeah various time at hearts was pumping hard i was about to pass out and my two sons because we're we're it's in the holidays now i'm sure by the time this airs that will be you'll be in between thanksgiving and christmas sometime but i looked at them and they were just they had the little the little shakes the for you for you deer hunters out there's that same feeling you get when that big buck deer walks out for duck hunters it's when a big bunch you got a chance of getting into it. You could hear the wind on their wings. Oh, it's a hole out in the middle of the woods.

Pretty tight. If they'd gotten in there, I'm assuming they didn't. They didn't come in. We got one that after all the smoke cleared, a few of them had lit wide. We could have shot one or two at various times of the circle, but we were going for the whole bunch. Or just at least four or five. Yeah, yeah. We try to get them in right.

We could have pass shot them, but we don't like to. pass you big bunches because you tend to educate them all and you're not you know you don't want to wing them down unless you cripple more that way yeah so we seven or eight lit wide and uh we just they finally got up and a couple come on their way out come flying over and somebody scratched out of one of the dray mowler drake so we did get one out of that big bunch and we didn't educate the rest of them so we'll try to get on tomorrow so last night we had our as jay said this will air after thanksgiving we had our thanksgiving last night we do ours a little bit early in the week we always have i don't think we ever done it that early we had in last year we did ow we we did we did

we did thanksgiving and i'm not kidding uh i think willie called it a family union which is what it seemed like yeah i didn't even recognize at least a dozen people there i didn't know who they were but i didn't want to introduce myself when we What's happened is, so several of our first cousins came, which was really great. I enjoyed getting to see them. Most of them are in Texas, but they're spread out. But now, just like in our family, all their kids are getting married. So you almost have to meet a whole new, because they got new spouses.

Oh, yeah. I was trying to, they were showing me their babies and grandbabies. I was like. Well, and we have some, like, adopted babies and their side. I mean, it was, it was, there was a hundred people there last night. It was a big group. But here's what I was going to say. It was all kin folks, but a meet and greet session.

Let me tell you how our family works. So 10 minutes before the event at Willys, I was sitting on the couch and Missy came out, you know, all dolled up. And I said, where are y'all going? All dolled up. You mean dolled up. Dalled. Dalled up. Dalled up.

Just dolled up. Yeah. And, I mean, she said, I'm going the same place you are. And I thought, well, that's interesting because I was fixing to take a nap. And so I had never. You seem to be a little behind on the family calendar. I never got the word that we're having Thanksgiving, two days before Thanksgiving at night at Willie's house. He never heard it.

Never heard it. Even dad knew because he cooked his, uh, He's famous. What is the protocol for communication? Well, there's a tech. There is a group text. There is a group text. You must not be on it.

No, I wasn't on it. Yeah. Which is fine. But I'm kind of like old Barney Fife in that Andy Griffith episode when they were having a choir. And he wanted to sing solo, but nobody wanted him to sing solo. So they decided to practice without him. And so he heard him singing. So he opened the door and he's like, hey, when you move practice, you ought to let a guy know.

Especially the one who's going to be singing solo. It's funny, Jay's because I had a quote too from last night. I was thinking, I just watched White Earp recently. You know, Tombstone was so good. They came out, Cameron Conchner came out with a movie about White Earp around the same time, but nobody hardly watched it because the other one was so good. But it really is a good movie. It's a little cheesy, but it's like.

funny, you know, it made it funny. I don't think they were trying to be funny. You're talking about on Toonstone? Yeah, but it made some funny lines. Yeah, well, the writing was really crisp. But in White Earp, it's much more about his young life, too. And so Gene Hackman plays his dad. And so it starts when he's a teenager.

That's when you first meet White Earp, you know, the Civil War is going on. And so his dad, who is Gene Hatman, such a good actor. He told him his family, he said, I want you all you to remember something. when it comes to family, blood is the only thing that matters. All the rest are just strangers. And I thought, I mean,

that is a fantastic, loud when you think about blood. And I thought about that last night. We were all together, the idea of what it takes to be together. But look, our menu, which we had turkey and ham

and some traditional stuff, duck and dressing. But like last night, we were going into new places. Willie had, he had pheasant dumplings. I don't know if you tried them. Well, I saw,

They were really, we had buffalo. We had a black buck deer sausage. I mean, we're getting into some exotics now to go into our things. I'll tell you this. Then Missy's crack dip is just. Yeah, she didn't get it. Those potatoes she cooked are always a hit. But so I took, because Phil had said, you know the duck and dressing is ready when you can take a leg off.

Yep. Yep. So he had planted that in my mind. I think he said that on podcast. He said on podcast yesterday. So they were just, he had those ducks sitting up in that dressing. And so there was a little teal there. And I grabbed that, the leg.

And it just, the fact that it was sitting there was amazing because I just barely exerted a little energy. And it just fell off the bone. And I said, I'm going to have to eat. So I said, you know what? I probably shot this teal. so I'm going to take a half of the till because the rest of them are wood dust. I could tell the till because it was smaller. So what is the irony of this?

So I sit down, first bite, and I'm like, oh, pellet. I think I broke my tooth. And so I said, nobody make a move. Everybody was looking, you know, and I started digging through there. And it was a shot from the, and I know you check those thoroughly to make sure. You missed one. I was disappointed, but then I'm shooting sick shot this year. Yeah.

And I looked at it real closely. I learned this from Si, and I said, yep, that's a sick shot. So you can only blame yourself. Then it made me feel better. At least it came out of your good. After the autopsy, we now have confirmation that regardless of what Cy said, I shot this teal. So back in the day, when you'd be eating the squirrel or duck and when you shot lead, you would if you bit into it, I mean, it still hurt, but lead was malleable.

So it didn't hurt near as bad. When you crank down. Until your swatter, then it is. Well, then you get in your appendix. And yeah. Then you got lead poisoning. Right. So.

But when you crack down on that steel ball, it's not pleasant for the tooth. No. I mean, it's just a hazard. So anyway, it was a good time. It was. It was a good thing. We've moved on. Well, we don't have many left, you know.

most of my aunts and uncles are gone. Si was there. My aunt Nancy was there. And Gordon and you and mom basically that's all we got left. Everybody else is pretty much gone. Plus, our family's really busy, so it's nice for everybody to get together and catch up. Yeah, and all the new babies and stuff, I think. I mean, it's weird when members of your family was like, I just saw you on TV.

I mean, that's not really, I mean, that's the last time they saw me. Right. It's been too long. That's right. Well, I've been just not only seeing people at funerals and stuff, so I'm kind of glad to do it at a more joyous occasion. Well, we're in Mark 12. We had Zach with us, but... Yeah, he may pop in at some point. Zach hasn't figured out that for your computer to run, it must be charged.

That's right. And so, Phil, I have to say this because Phil doesn't really understand how this all works. but and I had I had a similar issue where my computer was going dead and I thought I'd just plug that in and it made me have a spiritual application because last night I plugged it in again and I looked up at the little the little battery lightning boat didn't pop up yep this is not charging and so I looked at the wall well it had just it wasn't it was in the wall but not to the point where it was connecting and I thought yep this is what happens in life. You have the appearance that you're plugged into the power, but you're not plugged into the power. You've got to plug into the Lord's power. So in defense, I know exactly what's happening with Zach right now. He's 1500 miles away from us, but I can tell you what's happening because my grandkids,

I have a bunch of teenagers in my house. He does too. His kids, my grandkids. And every time you need a charger, you can't find one. They've hauled them off. Somewhere there's a pile of chargers as big as my house because I bought hundreds of them. Right now he's scrambling around his house trying to find a charger for his computer. That's exactly what's going on.

So we may never see him. So to give you a review. Hang on, let's take a break before we do that. Jesus makes his triumphal entry in quotation marks that someone came up with when he came riding on a donkey. The king is here. Which, you know, it's funny, Jay's, it was, you talked about that when we did that podcast, but you're right. It's really only triumphal in hindsight.

Exactly. In the moment, it didn't. Nobody looked around except the few people who had seen him bring back a dead man, one of their friends, Lazarus, and the people who really knew him as close as followers and the little group of women who would later on see his death, peril, and resurrection. They're like, yep, the king is here. But to everybody else, here's a guy claiming, making all these universal claims, and doing things that only a God could do,

they're like, oh, you're coming in on a donkey with some, you don't have a coin to your name. You have no house. You have no power materially. You don't have a political presence anywhere. They just didn't believe it. No. So then he goes down there and clears the temple,

which, guess what? All that deal was make the religious people mad because the passion of Jesus' closest followers, I'm sure, was concerning to them. And so when you get to the end of chapter 11, well, their question is authority. And you remember that story about that parable that he said, John's baptism? You know, was it from heaven? And so they're like, well, we don't know. And he's like, well, so I'm not going to tell you where my authority is coming from.

I mean, and then it just escalates. he then tells a parable that seemingly is is directed at, well, not seemingly. It was right. But, I mean, saying, I've sent you prophets. You almost didn't have to do it in a parable style because this one wasn't hard to figure out. Right. And then an argument developed with the Pharisees and the Herodians about politics. And that's when they had the man with all the quarters, Caesar and the man that didn't have a quarter to his name.

and he's talking about, yep, you can give these little quarters to Caesar, but you give to God what is gods, and he used a different verb there we talked about, which is your life, your allegiance. Yep. Goes to God, they were amazed. Then the Sadducees come up, and they have this big argument about the afterlife. They didn't believe that was a resurrection.

They tried to take something from the Mosaic law that would trap Jesus into showing the absurdity of believing that you can live again, that didn't work because he then goes to God in the present form with how he views people. If you're, if God is your God and you're in good standing, you're good. You are. He doesn't say, oh, I lost my son. He just says, I am the God. So if you're on that line with God, you are an eternal being. And we talked about, which is difficult to talk about because it's hard for us to relate to heavenly things from an earthly perspective. Right.

Because we were like, well, will I know my wife? Yes, you'll know your wife. But you will no longer be interested in the physical lovemaking that, you know, we call sex to to populate the earth. Whatever we're going to be doing will be better. And even the downsides, like dad quotes the verse that Ball said from 1st, 3rd in 7, when people marry, There's a lot of trouble. There's a lot of difficult. I mean, two people becoming one.

It will face many troubles. Many troubles. And so all that's removed in eternity. Exactly. None of that stuff. So an observer, one of the teachers of the law, heard this discourse with the Sadducees. And he says in verse 28, he heard them debating. And noticing that Jesus had given them a good answer, which is,

in God's perspective, all men are alive, and that we're not going to be having weddings, you know, in heaven and trying to populate it. Of all the commandments, which is the most important one? Now look, I'm going to be honest. I think it's a pretty good question. I think that's a, most of these questions seem to be just like ridiculous. Or they're trying to trap him. This one seemed more honest.

Yeah, because, you know, I think we do that in our life before we, keep reading. We tend to categorize commandments and sins. And look, some sins have more consequences than other sins. So these people that say, well, all this sin,

you know, everyone who sins breaks the law, which is true. That's James 316, I think. Or where's that verse? Yeah, that's in James. It's in James somewhere. And then he said,

where you have envy and selfish ambition, there you find disorder in every evil practice. So I think it's James. James 2.10. Whoever keeps the whole law and yet stumbles at one point. Yeah, that's it. Two-10. Stumbles at every point. So we say it's all the same. It's all the same. But there are different consequences. And, you know, we've heard various illustrations of that. I mean, the point is, would you rather someone, you know, kidnap your wife or, you know, steal your radio. Well, they're both wrong. But stealing the radio would be more preferable, you know. Some sins and commandment breaks are more consequential in their calamity. Right, which was not his point here, but I'm just making the point.

He was like, because you got a member under the old law. I mean, was it? 613. Mm-hmm. And then all the traditional stuff that's on top of that, yeah. They just had stacks on stacks on stacks on stacks of all these laws. So he's like, look, let's simplify this. So that's kind of the question.

And Jesus says, the most important one. answer Jesus is this. Here, O Israel, the Lord our God, the Lord is one. Love the Lord your God with all your heart, with all your soul, with all your mind, with all your strength. The second is this,

love your neighbor as yourself. There is no commandment greater than these. Now surprisingly, the teacher of the law says, well said, teacher, you are right in saying that God is one and there's no other but him, which makes you a little uncomfortable because you never want to be like

putting Jesus on trial and saying, you know, I think you're right about that. I mean, he should have, if he knew who he really was talking to, he wasn't and said, oh, you know, you may be right on that. He had no concept that he was God. Right.

So 33, he says, to love him with all your heart and with all your understanding and with all your strength and to love your neighbors yourself is more important than all burnt offerings and sacrifices. So this guy had you know, he had deducted...

It's the best response so far. Yeah, yeah. There was a lot of truth in this. So when Jesus saw that he had answered wisely, he said, well, you're not far from the kingdom of God. I'm not sure if that's a compliment or... I mean, it's definitely more positive than his other responses. But I guess it is a compliment.

I took it as... I read it as a comment, like, all right, you're not far. I like, you're moving in the right direction. But close doesn't work. But close is like their power cord, as you're right. If you don't go ahead and get it plugged in all the way. Yeah, you saw where I was going. Yeah, so.

So, and from then on, no one dared ask you many more questions, which, now, that response seems a little. It almost seems like it wasn't as. Well, and it seems like he said something more profound than you think, we think he actually did, which got me to think. And I have a theory on this. I'm wearing my, I could be wrong, t-shirt today. So for you that are just listening, always remember that.

The power is the Lord, wear jars of clay, and our jars have little cracks in them sometimes. So we could be wrong. But I was going to say that I think by this statement, when you look at our culture today, because our culture is really, I'm not sure the technical word for it is, but you have all these different beliefs and religions. And I told you, when I looked up about afterlife, most people believed in the afterlife, but now not everybody agreed on what exactly that entailed.

And so I think when he, if you think about what he said, when he said the Lord, our God, the Lord is one, well, even in our culture, that makes people feel uncomfortable. Like if you go up and read Acts 412, where, who was that preaching there? Peter said that salvation is found in no one else, but Jesus Christ. It's a very profound, universal statement.

Well, that makes our culture feel uncomfortable because they're like, well, wait a minute now. We believe there's a variety of ways to get to God, and there's different gods, and who are you to say, you know, there's just Jesus. It's the, it's the, the, The Oprah principle. All right.

They don't say there's one God. You just got to get to the top of the mountain. There are many pathways to get there. It was kind of, it was kind of great. Exactly. Let's take a break. But I think the irony of what he said was, is look, then he's like, in this one God,

you love with all your heart, with all your soul, with all your strength, and all your might. But then he says, but you love your neighbor as yourself. Well, the same guy who's ridiculing you for saying there's one Lord and God, he said, but you love your,

your neighbor as yourself. I mean, there's some irony in that, in that even though we don't agree, we do not water down who Jesus is. We should be clear on that. Because you got to remember, people who say, well, you can't go out here and say, Jesus Christ is the only way. Well, them saying that shows you that they're doing the same thing that they're accusing you have doing. That's right. Your view, their view is saying our view on God, is that doesn't matter what you believe, we're all going to make it. Right.

Well, that's your, you're evangelizing me saying, I'm wrong. Yep. Yeah. So you have to believe in something. And what separates Jesus from everyone else is an innocent sacrifice for the sins of the world,

a universal made available to everybody. Right. And he came out from the dead. Right. Well, to me, that's what sets him apart. Right. All these other religious leaders, have, you know, commandments and things and guides and movements and, but it always ends at death

or there's no way to remove sins other than you do it yourself, which we've already proven by what we've read. Well, I'm not sure because, I mean, I've only done cursory studies of other religions that don't include Christ. And I don't think, and I could be wrong, as you said, Jay. I don't think there's in any other religion, there's any provision for sinfulness. In other words, there's a lot of things about living better and achieving statuses of certain goals and heights. I mean, it is behavioral stuff that's in the religion, but I don't think there's any providential situation for sinful behavior, which to your point makes Christianity.

And there have to be paid for. Yeah. I mean, you still got to deal with it. Now, from their perspective, maybe they don't think you do. But I'm saying even, you know, there's no provision. There's, you need to live better. You need to do this. True.

So I think that. Well, when you back up to even the weathered fig tree, I'm going to make a point here because we brought this up before in 1124, when he said, I tell you, whatever you asked for in prayer, believe that you ever received it. And it will be yours. Well, and I want to read John 1, where it says, for all, who received him. This is something we received.

This is what separates Jesus from others. It's always a law system where if you work hard enough, long enough, keep the right ones, you'll get something. You'll get reward, you'll get heaven, you'll get the afterlife,

whatever religion. And this is a gift. I mean, you read Ephesians too. It's a gift from God. It's not, you know, the fact, famous Ephesians too, you're saved by grace. It's a gift of God, not from yourself, so that anyone invokes.

So receiving is a theme here is, so when you think of a law system, why do we try to keep the law? Why do people, even the most strictest, most radical religious groups out there, why are they trying to keep the law? Why are they following, even if the laws are wrong, you know, terroristic type commands. Why are they doing it? so they'll get something. It's a, if you keep this, here's what you get. Right.

Well, this is, Jesus is turning that on its head here. Because he's trying to get you to give because he gave. So we get God's grace and forgiveness, not like material possessions or wealth or even eternity as far as like, Oh, because I kept something because of his death, his perfect life, his sacrifice, his resurrection, totally. It's a free gift. Well, then we're able to transfer to give others. So we're not trying to get something out of people. We're not recruiting people to start a war where we can take over the world.

We're trying to do things gracefully. I think that's what we're going to get to when we get down into the weeds of this love, the Lord, you go out with all your heart, with all your soul. with all your mind, with all your strength, and the sake is this, love your neighbor. What's all this love stuff when we're talking about law? He asks, what commandment, and you just start talking about love? Do you all agree?

Yeah. And I think that's the motivating factor, Jay, that when you think about it, if you can get those two on solid, if you're that committed to God, and you have that sort of low, and I like the way it gives you the qualifiers of how deep that love goes for God.

I mean, it's everything you possibly have. And then naturally it should go to other people. And so it does make you a servant and not a tyrant, which is part of the point they were missing through this whole situation. He kept telling, look, it's like you've got to be a little child again. It's like you got to be a service. Like you can't lord it over. He keeps going back to those same illustrations because this is where it takes you. Yeah.

Well, I want to read the Matthew version because he, this is Matthew 2040. he has an interesting Matthew has an interesting little attachment to the end which says so when he says in this here in that so he backed up 34

same story hearing that Jesus had silenced the Sadducees about the marriage in heaven and Matthew records it in the same order here comes the expert of the law which is the greatest commandment in the law Jesus for I love the Lord of God same same speech with all your heart with all your soul with all your mind this is the first

and greatest commandment and the second love your neighbors yourself but then he adds this little phrase all the law and the prophets hinge or hang on these two commandments i think that provides some clarity here yep because you're like well wait a minute how is how is loving god and loving other people, how does that sum up the entire hundreds and hundreds of laws that were there? So then you start thinking, well, wait a minute. So the reason I shouldn't commit adultery

is not just because it says so, but if you loved your wife, you know, if you love, that would be what you should be doing. It's no longer just about adultery when you look at it from a love perspective. I think that's what he was introduced. It's a good point.

It's the line, one of my favorite in the Bible in Genesis 39, where Mrs. Potipher is trying to get Joseph to sleep with her, and he says, how could I do such a thing in sin against God? You know, and he had already mentioned that Potterford put everything in his house and his control except for her. So what were the two things he said he didn't want to violate? His relationship with God, his relationship with her husband, And you're right, that's loving God.

That's a practical way of saying. The reason I'm not going to do this is because how could I do this and sin against God? It would save the world a lot of misery. Oh. We wouldn't even need law. Let's take a break. It makes a better friendship, a better family, a better society, a better life. No doubt.

But I want to just illustrate this because I don't think this to be true. when you read other passages later on that provides clarity on this, you realize what he was saying. Because think about what Jesus is ultimately fixed to do. He's going to die for the sins of the world. He's going to be buried and he's going to be raised to show that all people can be right. You can live again. If you miss out on this, don't blame him.

There's a way to do it. There's a way to plug into this power and he shows us. So when you think of that light in this conversation about law, and him introduced and love in it. So he, in verse 20 of Ephesians 4, Paul says, you didn't come to know Christ that way. Surely that you were heard of him

when you were taught to put off, it says you were taught in him in accordance with the truth that is in Jesus. You were taught with regard to your former way of life to put your old self off, which is being corrupted by its deceivably. deceitable desires and to be made new in the attitude of your mind and to put on the new self created to be like God in true righteousness and holiness which you think about when you get to

reenact Jesus's death, bell, and resurrection and Romans 6 describes that. That's only possible because of what Jesus did on a cross and at the resurrection right? So there's there's something working here. They're saying no to these obvious commands but there's also a saying yes and it's done. The vehicle is love because what's what he says in 25. So you should put off falsehood, which is a clear commandment under the old law. And look, we all know it's wrong to lie, right? But then he adds something to it.

For we're all members of one body. No, I mean, therefore each of you should put off falsehood and speak truthfully to his neighbor. Well, wait a minute now. There's a difference in just not telling a lie and speaking truth. truthfully. So he's going, he's like turning their view of the commandments. He's flipping it on its head. He's looking at a bigger goal.

He's like, it's not about just not doing wrong. And by the way, you're never going to be able to pull that off. Right. I want you to love God so much that you want to speak the truth about who, about God. And to love your neighbor so much because you don't want to, want them to miss heaven or miss out on the news. life for the purpose. So you speak truthfully. Well, now we're getting into love. Because only love when you read the definition in 1st Corinthians 13 would produce something like that. So you read the list. It's kind. It's not self-seeking. It does not envy. It does not

boast. It keeps no record of wrongs. It always protects. It always perseveres. Well, well, that's what love is. But look, he gives another example. Look at 29 of Ephesians 4. Don't let any unwholesome talk come out of your mouth. Well, so we all know that's wrong. And we hear it today. If you hear a guy cussing, you're thinking, huh, well, that's easy to clean up your thing. But that wasn't just the goal. He said, but only what is helpful for building others up according to their needs, that it may benefit those who listen. It's not about just law keep. He's not up there with a gavel saying, don't you say it. He's wanting you to, you know, he's wanting you to be transformed by his love and his grace.

And look, there's other examples here, but when you get to chapter 5, verse 1, then it really says what I think Jesus is introducing. Be imitators of God, therefore, as dearly loved children, which he just mentioned us as children of the resurrection in Mark 12, and live a life of love. Just as Christ loved us and gave himself up for us as a fragrant, offering and sacrifice to God. I just think it's interesting that he was trying to get him to see that instead of

get into some theological debate on which law would be the most important. He missed it. Yeah. It was a good question because it identifies with all humans, but we have a problem, and our human problem is we want to do the least amount possible. to get the rewards. It's like Zach described youth work. Tell me I can get right up to my line before I'm crossing over.

But you think about it, your point is well taken because every circumstance we've seen is interaction in these last few chapters with the Pharisees, the one with the Sadducees. They always come in with a legal question about whatever. and he always takes a big, much bigger view. When they came in about the marriage and divorce, he told them how beautiful marriage was and why God came up with it to begin with. When they came in about the who's married and the resurrection,

he gave them the bigger picture of, hey, you don't even need to worry about stuff like that. My God's so big, we're not going to be thinking about who we were or weren't married to when we were on earth. So he kind of always keeps expanding it, and you're right. I didn't see it as much in this one, but you're right. He does the same thing with this. He expands a legal question.

Oh, he turns it on his head. Because when you think about it, look, law, you trying to keep the law makes you realize that the need for love in this or grace. The law leads us to Jesus because we can't keep it. We need forgiveness. That's why he said when he said, I can see that this is more important than all burnt offerings and saccharacteries. sacrifices because you could be doing these sacrifices for your sins like they were doing. And your heart be a million miles away from loving God or loving other people. You're just carrying out a ritual because you have to to get something.

And law is so unyielding that even your knowledge of it doesn't matter. And I gave the illustration recently in a sermon about if you get pulled over by a police officer and he says, do you know why I pulled you over? And you look down and you didn't think you were speeding so or whatever. So you're like, no, sir, I don't. And then he tells you something that you were doing that's against the law, some traffic law. And you're like, well, I didn't know. But whether he writes you a ticket and you have to pay a fine or not, doesn't matter whether you knew.

You were just breaking it. Well, I got news for you. He didn't love you either. No. Look, when they sacrificed these animals, those animals didn't love those people. Right. You just took their life because it was written that there's got to be some kind of payment to have a just God, which is a very hard thing for us in this culture now to even consider because it seems barbaric, killing animals. But when you think about it, it should seem barbaric because if we're going to have a just society, there has to be right and wrong and there has to be consequences to wrong actions.

Right. Try a society when everybody said, oh, there's no right. right and wrong. You just do whatever you want. Give that about 10 years. And guess what? The people with the most weapons will be the only ones left. That's right. It's just going to turn into a free for all. But that's what Jesus was eventually going to flip on his head because he became a sacrifice. And he did love it. He did it in love. Well, that love became transferable once you have a heart to receive it. And so instead of going out there trying to, you know, judge people or manipulate people or you're, you put your faith and trust in him. He gives you the, his spirit, which the fruit of

the spirit, first one is love. And then no matter what, even your own enemies, those who oppose you. He says, you love them. Let's take our last break. And Jay's done you that was it John 13, 35, where he was preparing the disciples for what he was about to do. And he said, the greatest act of love is to lay down your life for your brother. And which in his case, he was about to literally do for them and for all of us. But even think about it, that could be every day. I mean, that's a lifestyle too about it. Like when you get married, you know, you're not saying, I just said, I loved you at the beginning.

You're living that out every single day of your life. With everything you're doing, like the Apostle of Romans 12, in view of God's mercy, you do this, you do this, in view of His mercy. That's your motivation. Right. It didn't have to do it. God's the love of the world. It's said, Jesus, whoever believes in it won't perish.

Right. And I like that way that verse ends. He says, the only way you can really understand the will of God is to be willing to be transformed by the renewing of your mind. That's right. Which happens when you submit to him, which takes it back to that first grade is going. He's asking us just, everyone, just to be honest. Yeah. You know, are you a sinful person or not?

Well, if you're honest, you'll say, Lord, I am. Right. And now that may come in all kinds of facets and every kind of, as you go through life. But sin is no doubt about it, a severe problem for the human race. Right. Yeah. If you can't recognize that, what you end up doing is just renouncing the whole thing. Right.

I mean, you know, you're asking me to turn and repent. They hate repentance. A human being is told to repent. Change your heart. Yeah. They find that difficult to do. Because it's going to be, they're thinking it's going to be on them, which it is. Well, when we've had people ask on the podcast before about, we used the word legalist

And they're like, I don't understand that. And I get that because that's a very, you know, that's a very biblical concept, thought, term. But a legalist is somebody simply that thinks that by keeping law, you can save yourself. That is correct. And what it produces is fear because you're never going to be as good as someone else. There's only one person, you know, out there who has kept the law the best. Right. Only God is good.

Well, ultimately, Jesus didn't break any, but I'm saying if you stacked everybody, up and took the 613 laws, there's only going to be a handful that have kept most. There'll be some better than others. Right. Yeah. So, now, they still aren't perfect. But to be flawlessly perfect. But you're going to be.

Eagely speaking. Yeah, you're going to be fearful because somebody's better than you. What does that mean? That means they're going to get something better or you're going to get something worse. And then there's a pride there because we don't like to admit that we're, flawed and ultimately you compare yourself with other people and that's like a mouse on a treadmill here you're never going to be good enough it's never going to be enough and you're never going to be able to get past whatever mistakes you may i mean there's people who live their whole lives because they made a

mistake people end up couldn't get over it they they end up literally killing themselves yeah because there's no place for forgiveness or provision. But what I was going to say is, you know, the law, trying to keep the law leads you ultimately to the love of Jesus. That's why it's so appealing. But it also, the love of Jesus leads you to wanting to keep the law. Then you realize the price that it took, so it actually kind of turns back around, and you're like, well, wait a minute.

That's why he was saying, I'm not just saying, don't have unwholesome talk coming in your mouth. Because that's the way we look at it. We tend to. In terms of chucking the whole thing, but you say, children, worship God and Him only. Honor your father and mother. Don't murder. Don't steal.

Don't lie. Don't commit adultery. You're like, what's wrong with those things? What if people did do it? Right. So it's not like it's beyond doing. You can become a far better person. It moves the fact that you know you're a sinner.

I can't make it by this system because one violation and I'm done. Right. Well, and to Jason's point, when you look at the Big Ten, the first couple there, or the idea of making God number one in your life, and then the rest of them are loving your neighbors yourself. Yeah. I mean, so that, again, comes back to the whole point that it all boils down to these two concepts, which is what Jesus said. Love for your fellow man would solve a lot of problems. Well, we take care of most of those commandments for sure.

You're all going to get it just because somebody, you know, you decide to. And that's why I think it has to be done through a realization of who Jesus is and why he came. And even in this conversation here, that, I mean, the verse that says in Titus, the grace of God teaches us to say no. That's where we want to get to. What is the grace of God? Yep, right. It is his sacrifice out of love, despite our being flawed and deserving what he went through. The Apostle Paul wrote in Romans 3,

The way of peace, they do not know. There is no fear of God before their eyes. So they just try to just plead deaf, please deafness. Now we know that whatever the law says, it says to those who are under the law, So that every mouth may be silenced and the whole world held accountable God. Therefore, no one to be declared righteous in his side by observing the law. Rather, through the law, and we really do. We become conscious of sin.

That's great. We know we violated it. Right. It's a. Well, there's just, there's always a temptation for us to try to take credit for this and to fix it. When he said which one is the commandment is the greatest, that was coming from a place of, I just want to do the least amount of possible.

And just, if you tell me exactly and simplify this, I'll do it. But when you read something like 1st John 4, based on what Jesus' response was, I just listen to what he says. Because you say, oh, I just need to love. But it's a deeper understanding that. Because 1st John 4, 7 says, dear friends, let us love one another, but he doesn't stop there. For love comes from God.

You're not going to get it from you. I just read it. And love one another's... Love does no harm to its neighbor. But you get it from God, for love comes from God. That's what it says. Then it says everyone who loves has been born of God. Well, you might ought to be born of God.

Not or check in and look into that. And knows God. Not about, not something. Knows God. You're in a relationship of standing. Whoever does not love doesn't know God. Well, that answered that question in society. You're like, boy, that person, you know, these people coming up behind other people and hitting them in the head.

And why would somebody do that? I'm pretty sure that they don't know God. That's correct. This is how God's true. God showed his love among us well now we're back to Jesus he sent as one and only son into the world that we might live through

through him and look this is embarrassing that John had to clarify this but he says this is love I mean if you just want to come out and say it and he says not that we love God but that he loved us and sent his son as Tony's sacrifice for our sin

there he go I mean he's like do not make this about you. Yeah. Well, what is the law about? Law is about you. Yep. Here's what you do. Give me the list.

Well, you're not going to be able to do it. So then the same people. You can keep every commandment there ever was. Yeah. On the one hand. But unfortunately for you, if you break one of them, you broke all of them. All right. But that's what I was going to say is it.

You don't want to try to get out of here based on your own merit. They say it's not about law keeping. It's about love. well, then the same person who's trying to be justified by law, then they're trying to be justified by love. They're like, well, I love everybody. I mean, look at what I did. I did this.

I did. No, you're getting this from a source. This is received from God. And then you transfer what you learn from Jesus. Jesus, if you're perfect, no, we can have a different conversation. But if you've ever sinned, you'll realize a need for forgiveness. It'll lead you to Jesus' sacrifice. and then you won't be looking at it from that.

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