Unashamed with the Robertson Family - Ep 596 | Jase Had a Murder Mystery Dream & Duck Hunter vs. Deer Hunter

Episode Date: December 11, 2022

Phil listens to Jase's fascinating dream of a murder mystery about Jesus — but could anybody find his body as evidence? Larry Bowles shows how prophecies have been fulfilled through the scriptures! Jase jokes about the politics of duck hunter vs. deer hunter taking place on the property and gives Jay a hard time about the deer he was tracking. And Phil talks about people urgently seeking peace of mind and where it's to be found. The Blind hits theaters in 2023. Get updates, trailers, behind-the-scenes moments, and special opportunities here: https://theblindmovie.com - Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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because the one I got literally fell apart. And this time of year. Have you ever had a leaf blower? You can make an argument. Everyone needs one, but I never got a round of getting one. I always said when they said, when are you going to mow your grass? I always said frost to get it. Just be patient.

Well, I bought a house. Look, let me give you the backstory. I bought a house that. is down a hill, which was, which was, I considered it. You know, Willie's like, hey, why don't you, y'all move in. We'll all live on the same road, but there wasn't one house left, but it was at the bottom of the hill. You know, Willie's up there at the top.

And so what happens in Louisiana, because you don't, you don't wonder if it's going to rain, you wonder when it's going to stop raining. And so I got some drainage issues. So about once a week, I got to go out there and get the leaves out of every, possible drain area because if it don't, my house will flood, which has happened a couple times.

So it's not like I'm obsessed with blowing leaves, but I need that. But Miss is like, I'm not getting you that for Christmas. Why? She's like, that's just, because I don't want to say,

what did you get Jay's for Christmas? A leaf blower? She said, that makes me look like a terrible wife. I was like, but that's what I want. You're telling me the, It didn't end well. She was like, no, I'm not getting you that. So I'll probably have to go buy my own Christmas present once again.

You're facing the intriguing elements that faces individuals who must live in subdivisions. Yeah, it's a subdivision problem. It's a tough place to live. But I love this time of season despite the arguments because, you know, we've had a big run-in battle this year because, you know, our property down here that we all hunt and enjoy has mainly been a duck hunting property. I mean, you started off buying this property. Then I guess when you ran out of money, you got me and Willie to get some of the property. I actually moved on it just prior to running out. Yeah.

I said, I need these boys. Everybody's going hunting down there, but nobody's paying for the diesel and all the equipment. So we've bought a bunch of land and we all own it, Phil, Willie, and me. Well, Willie up until about a year ago, it has not spent a whole lot of time here. And he's a deer hunter and we're duck hunters. But what happened is, you know how Willie is? Willie took one of the employees at Duck Commander, which was my right-hand man at Duck Commander, Jay Stone, your son-in-law, Al.

And he hired him to be a deer manager on the property. So I thought that sounded like a great idea. Terrible idea. Because look, now he sent me. me just an example. And this story has a happy ending, but for me, but here's some of the things that happen. And look, a lot of times you have the opportunity to live Christ in the ordinary details of life.

And because, look, I've been put to the test on this. My patience, my temper, which I don't really have a temper. But when I get a text that says, don't drive by this certain hole because I'm Deer hunting. Well, you're putting my faith to the test right there. That's why I reminded Stone, I said, just remember, my friend, there's a great difference between manager and owner. Well, I have, yeah. That's biblical.

So then the next phase of this ongoing battle, I mean, you could, you want a TV show, just the conflict that's happened with the deer side and the duck. Phil, would you say has been, I'd say it's been a 10 out of 10 during this season. Because we all gather up during the holidays. I got my sons here. But, you know, Jay said, well, you didn't, his argument was, you didn't tell me you were bringing your sons. And I'm thinking, where in this relationship, do I have to be telling you who I'm bringing, especially my own flesh and blood? But, Jay, you have to be careful because you possibly, with your temperament, you could be kind of prone to being anti-managed. Yeah, I'm an aunt.

That woman here has been trying to manage you for about 30 years. Yeah. So look. You know how to do that's true, Deb, because his last name is Robertson. I kind of affected all that is. I just sort of grin and lean back, you know. And I said, boy, but it is really a great place to bring your family members and your children. That's a good reminder.

We've got 10-year-old girls making shots at 350 yards. You're like with a high-powered rival. I mean, they're 10 years old. So let me finish this story. So we come down to go duck on now. We have seven hunters. Well, I look, when I walked in the bay door, Jay Stone, the deer manager is not here. but he told my son, because he found out he was duck hunting with us,

don't take the six-seater, four-wheeler, or six-wheeler, whatever it is, because I have a bunch of deer stuff I have to do, and I'll be later. So we have seven people. Well, there's two-seaters left. So I'm looking there's seven people, but we have two wheelers that only hold four people. And so they're taking all the gear, the duck-hunting gear, out of this, six-seater. And so I said, what are you doing? And my son Reed said, well, Jay, I said, the dear, told us not to take this vehicle. I said, but we have seven people. He said, well, that's just

what he said. I said, we'll call him up. And so he calls him up and puts him on speaker. And I said, we have seven men. We're going to take a six-seater and a two-seater, which will leave room. for an extra person if we so desire to pick somebody up on the way. So after I said that, he started talking and I said, read, I said, no, that conversation is over now. You can hang up. And he did. So I could have been a little.

But it was just, I was so, like, appalled that a guy that's not here who's managing deer is saying, y'all cram in four seats to go ducking. hunting and you're actually doing this? So I said all that to set this up to say this. So a couple days later, we're duck hunting and Willie and Corey are deer hunting. They have all their camera people, you know, they're doing, and Jay is like the assistant to the, he's the deer man, he set the stage for, we're going to shoot a deer. Corey's never killed a deer, so we're trying this.

And Jay's already told us, stay away from this corner of the property. There's a major production going on, which I'm just rolling my eyes. I'm like, well, we're just going to duck hunt. Y'all leave us alone. Willie's wife has become a deer hunter. Yeah. So we're duck hunting and we're shooting ducks. Everybody's happy.

And I hear a compressed sound because I think they're shooting, you know, the rifles, which is nice, with a compressed rifle. But I hear it go off. And I said, well, I think Corey shot a deer. And sure enough, we get a text, shot a big buck, but we're having trouble finding him. Ooh, we're going to get the dogs and we're going to get the scouts. The deer wing has called the duck wing. Yeah. And they're saying, you duck hunters, we have a deer, but we can't find the deer.

We think the deer is dead, but we can't find the deer. So they're talking about all the things they're going to do. So if you all hear a bunch of vehicles and people, hollering. It's all we're looking for the deer. You need to get dog, track dogs, you know, for find the deer. We roll our eyes. We get back to duck hunting. The duck hunt, that was at like 8 o'clock in the morning. Yeah. So we're leaving at about 10.30. We have a cameraman with us sent to film the duck hunt, and he's a man of few words. And so we're riding out on the main

little road there. I didn't actually get his name. I actually don't know his name. I don't either. But I met him. The cameraman is riding with us. The cameraman was with us, and so we're riding down the road. We're talking about the duck on. I'm driving. I'm focused on the road. All we had was the report. Corey got a deer somewhere.

Exactly. We don't forgot about all that. So I hear a voice from the back seat, and it's the cameraman who said, do y'all want that big dead deer laying in the road? And everybody kind of stopped and looked, and I think Phil said, do what? he said there was a deer back there in the road and I said was beside the road yeah he said he said beside the road but and Phil said was it standing and he said no it looked dead to me so I stopped and backed up and as I'm backing up it was literally 10 feet off the road there's a huge deer and I thought to myself

where Corey was hunting which was not very far and I thought well here's the deer just laying here right beside the road so I call Willie no answer I call Corey no answer because they're driving back and in between our our hunting place and town is a dead zone which they were in I didn't realize that so I call Jay but I what do you call it where you're seeing each other yeah I FaceTimed him And so he's like, yeah. That was his response because he's angry because they can't find this deer. And so I turned it around and I said, you're a terrible tracker.

His eyes got real big and he's like, where are y'all? I said, we almost ran over it. We found your deer. Mr. Big Deer Hunter. I said, I said, it's 30 yards. from where Corey shot it. He's like, well, that, that can't be right. I turned it back around.

I said, well, what is this? And he said, well, are y'all gonna, are y'all gonna load it up? I said, no. Tell your people to come get your tear. It's in the road. He's like, well, where are you? I said, get on the main road.

You can't miss it. I said, you drove right by. And so then I told him, the cameraman spotted he said well y'all didn't see it either i said because i don't have a duck down in this area if i did i would have been looking but if i would have shot a deer and i was leaving i would have been looking around at least on the side of the room i mean come on so what was funny is we had our cameraman film because phil he said here's what they do you know these big deer hunters so phil got him in burly behind we're holding up the deer's head they were taking pictures and you know

Hold the deer out front. We got him. We got him. They had searched the woods for about two hours and came up empty-handed. We drove by out there and we said, the cameraman says, what about this one? The dead one back there. And I said, a deer? He said, yeah.

We back up, there's the deer. I've never seen people get so happy. Corey, Willie. Oh, they all drove back. They had the cameraman everywhere. They're like, what do you think? And I said, I think these deer scouts are terrible. These so-called deer hunters, they're shooting a deer, and they can't even find him.

He was laying in the middle of the road. I threw them onto the bus as hard. And look, Al, it was the greatest thing that ever happened because they were so embarrassed now. They basically concluded that they want to just leave me alone. Yeah. They want to work with us. They want to work with us now. They are so keen.

What are the odds of that happening? I mean, like one in a million. So for our audience, just I'm sure you've read the under. underlying situation. There's a bit of a friendly rivalry between the duck camp and the deer camp. And so I think you're seeing part of that as it plays out. But they're sure not going to mess with Jay's anymore. That's for sure.

But all this was on film, right? They filmed it all coming to a place near you. I think it would be great footage when they finally get it on there. The duck hunters found the deer, you know. I highly, if they run my take on it, they're going to have to get really thick skin. because I ran over them and backed it up all in good fun. It's probably going to be on duck commander.com, but I will be interested to hear the rebuttal on our brother podcast in the duck call room, so we'll see about that.

We're about to take a break. On the other side, our old friend Larry Bowles is still in town, so he's going to join us for the rest of the podcast. So we'll see you after the break. So welcome back to Unashamed. Our old friend Larry Bowles is in the house. Good to be, brother. Yeah.

It's always a pleasure. Our last discussion that we had with you on the ascension of Jesus was spectacular, by the way. It's an overlooked thing in Scripture. And I just think that really unlocks a lot of things. We didn't talk about it on the last podcast, but you started your sermon with an illustration of a Christmas party. and you had the guests come in, and each guest was a different element of the gospel symbols that we kind of display. And then you said, you know, everybody's, hey, crucifixion, hey, resurrection, good to see you guys.

Who's the guy over there in the corner? Oh, that's the Ascension. The end of the county. And somebody's like, oh, no, you're the Great Commission. He's like, no, not exactly. I'm, you know, I'm the Ascension. We're laughing, but that's really sad. It really is.

That's what he's doing right now. Yeah. There's no holiday. There's no. That was my point. You can buy a card for Christmas. You can buy a card for Good Friday. You can buy a card for Easter.

There is no Ascension card. You can't go to a hallmark. The birth of Christ, the death, and the resurrection is basically the... Yeah. So we talked about, Jay's adding a picture of the throne to that arrow. Maybe we should also 40 days. It would probably hit somewhere in late May or early June. We know it.

That's the thing. exactly when it is. It's, yeah. Yeah, it's 40 days. Then you can have another one 10 days later when the spirit was poured out. I think that was an important occurrence. Yeah. And I mean, the thing of it is, in a lot of the liturgical fellowships, you know, high church

kind of stuff. That's a Zach Dasher word. Yeah. Use it in a sentence. And you use that in a sentence. I mean, if you come out of a Roman Catholic, you know, background or something like that, you, I mean, that's. a day of holy obligation for you, you know. And so, yeah, it's a, it's, well, I noticed,

I noticed Larry also dropped eschatology in his sermon. I heard that. I thought, hey, I know what that means. Yeah. Eschatologically speaking. Yeah, something like that. And we're talking in, in time. So, yeah. Well, every time somebody makes fun of my grammatical mistakes or my, what do you call it uh what do you call it when you talk a certain way your accent yeah whenever someone makes i do have an accent you do but you have a phraseology yeah that is unique to you which is a word i would never use right but what i'm saying when they do that i can then quote that verse that that's just to show that the power from god and not of yourself that's right i'm my My jar, my clay jar, it has several lemmishes, cracks.

I remember, but he did the sermon on the cracked pots, you know, and we're all a bunch of cracked pots. Mine's got like pieces missing. Well, Jay, you use a lot of idioms, which sounds a lot like idiot. That's true. He's, yeah. And I, yeah, idiots. Well, look, I'll tell you all this, because y'all said we were going to talk about the resurrection. So I had a dream.

and it was a movie. It was like a movie. And I'll tell you the dream. And because you're preaching on the resurrection, right now? Yeah, next Sunday. So I have an idea. Now, look, this could be totally theologically a nightmare. But I had a dream.

I had a dream. I did that once in a lot. I'm going out on a wire here. So, yeah, you're out there, pal. So here was the dream. No net. So what if? society had tried to hold accountable the ones who crucified Jesus. So this is my dream,

because it's like Jesus dies and then somebody starts to say, wait a minute, now, this guy was innocent. So this was my dream. The people are talking and so they're like, we've got to do an investigation. And so even though we know as believers, this was God's plan, you know, I'm having this, this dream. And so, and the irony of my dream was social media, I mean, they had like TV cameras, and even though it was in a time that didn't, you know, when you dream. So I'm just telling you my dream.

That's why I said, theoretically, this is a nightmare, but I had the dream. So they're like, I mean, what, this, this was an injustice. This should not have happened. But what happens is simultaneously in the dream, well, there's a controversy, or she over, they can't find his body. And so then instead of the investigation being there was an injustice, it then the social media

against where is the body? That takes off and goes viral. So this is, and I made notes a much, you know how when you have a dream, if you don't write it down. Yeah. So I wrote some of this down because I thought it was fascinating. Then when you said we were doing it about the resurrection, this is perfect. So the case of the injustice was actually, because they did have a really good case, because Jesus didn't do anything wrong.

But now we have nobody, and you know what the saying is. Well, that saying started getting out. Well, you can't have a crime if there's nobody. Right. So in the dream of the movie, it became a movie. You know how your dream can just, it became a movie about how can you prove a crime was committed if you don't have the body. And the irony is that Jesus gave his life for their crimes.

And so, because it was God's plan for him to die. So that was kind of my dream in that he's, you couldn't find the body, so you couldn't prove them guilty. But he was saying, we're not going to prove them guilty because I gave my life on a cross. I thought it was a...

I love the way your mind works. I really do. I mean, it's just so cool because you open, you open doors, you know, that... I had that dream and I thought it was... People don't think to open and then you find truth beyond that. It's just really cool. Maybe that's what happened. I was dreaming that and I thought it was fascinating that he didn't want you.

He didn't want them to investigate the crime because it was his love and grace given so yeah i mean i think though i think it would make a good movie oh i do too you know what i mean if you took that concept and made a movie out of it where it was his plan all along but he took away a way a way to prove their injustice well with the resurrection i always always say that anytime you you see the words so that in scripture god is doing something in sovereign authority he did this so that. For example, Jesus is standing there toe to toe with the Jews, and he's claiming to be God. And they're like, don't you know that God's going to judge you for that? And he's like, I don't think you understand who you're talking to. He said, the father judges

no one, but all authority and judgment has been given to the son so that all will honor the son in exactly the way that they honor to the father. That happened quickly. From the time they just walked out there in a few days and said, where is his body? Where is he? Right. He began these appearances, but he could have made it a lot easier. Yeah, this is prophecy the way prophecy works. This takes it out of the realm of man's will.

And, you know, it's not by human will or man's human desire, but this is by God so that all will know and all will honor him. So would it be fair to say that most people that were there at the time didn't believe it? Yeah. Well, they didn't believe it. People coming back from the dead when you, if somebody mentions that, I'm going to beat death. Most people will say, yeah, I don't think so. But to Larry's point on the last podcast, that Luke 24 when he said he's fulfilled the scripture, you think even Isaiah, you know, the first. half or whatever's about the king, which is all great.

And then all of a sudden, you have this suffering servant. Well, people are like, what? It doesn't make sense. How is a king going to be a suffering, you know, you know that Isaiah 51 and where it's just graphic, his body marred beyond human lightness? Isaiah 53 in the first gospel. Yeah, 51 through 53 there. It's just like, what?

This doesn't make any sense. So that's what you've got to realize that the scriptures depend on him being resurrected. And I mean, and nowhere do you see that clearer than the third day references. And so because Jesus is saying, like you're saying, Phil, on the third day, I will rise. And so you see Paul talk about it in 1st Corinthians 15 on the third day according to the scriptures. And you're like, no, wait a minute. Is there anywhere in scripture that says that it will absolutely be. be on the third day and you go back and all of these references, it's like when Jesus says,

I can't remember exactly where it is, but he said nothing more than the sign of Jonah is going to be given. Yeah. Well, that's a third day reference. And when you start looking about third day references, it's all over the place in Scripture, but we didn't know that the sign of Jonah was a prophecy until Jesus told us. it was. That's exactly right. How would we know?

Exactly. Let's take a break. That's so funny, though, because when people hear the story of Jonah, I mean, people who don't believe in Jesus, they're like, I mean, that story's ridiculous. I'm like, well, it's not any more ridiculous than a guy dying. Yeah. Three days later, coming back from the dead. And look, announces it. Jesus from that time on, in Matthew, he begins in chapter 6.

after quite a bit of time of showing what he can do. They're looking at what he can do, and they're like, whoa, whoa, whoa, here, whoa. Well, when it gets to chapter 16, in Mark, it's chapter 8, and Luke, it's still there, but it keeps coming up. From that time on, Jesus began to explain to his disciples, he must go to Jerusalem and suffer many things at the hands of the elders, chief priests, and teachers of the law, that he must be killed. and on the third day be raised alive.

That's exactly it. You turn a page. He tells them again. The son of a man going to be betrayed in the hands of men, they'll kill him, and on the third day he'll be raised alive. That's chapter 17. Chapter 18. We're going up to Jerusalem.

The son of man will be betrayed and see priest. They're going to kill him three days. He keeps saying the same thing, and they're all looking around like, what's he talking about? they really didn't even have a fix. Right. You know, Peter said, no way that's ever going to happen. Right.

The very thing that's going to say Peter's hide, he was like, no way that's going to happen. Right. Condeming himself without realizing it. So was everyone else. And being raised on the third day. Seeing is believing. Jesus tells them three times. You know, and it's just all of these third day references are just all throughout scripture.

I think about Jesus raising Lazarus from the dead. Yep. And so there's a messianic prophecy in Psalms where it says that, you know, I will not abandon my holy one to decay. Yep. And that's all it says. And so when you get, here comes Jesus and Martha runs out and is like, you know, if you'd been here, my brother wouldn't have died.

And he's like, no, he's going to, you know, he's going to live. and she's like, and she, Martha does the same thing that we do. She's like, oh, I know. I know. He's going to raise on the last day at the resurrection. He's like, no, Martha, you don't know. Because I am the resurrection. And she is thinking that the resurrection is some future event.

And Jesus is saying, no, the resurrection is a person. And it's me. And so he says, Lazarus come forth. And she's like, wait, stop. He's been in how many days? Four days. and don't open it, there'll be a bad odor. And so the Jewish people believed in their minds that the body did not decay.

Why she was so fatal in that moment, it's too late because this is the fourth day. Anything beyond the third day, it's not possible to come back. And that's the point that he is making is that, no, you understand I'm the resurrection. The resurrection is not dependent on three days or four days. This is still a third day reference in that. Pretty powerful. It's unbelievable. And so you go look and you read back all of these prophecies.

And the third day, according to the scriptures, is all throughout Scripture. But this is the way Jesus, what did he do? He opens our minds to Scripture. And this is what he did. Every time after the resurrection, he teaches them that all of this Old Testament is about, him. It's by him. It's for him. It doesn't exist apart from him. Every word of it is about him. Pretty cool. I like that. That's, that could be a sermon title. Are you right?

Yeah. Oh, I'm writing, I'm writing down. It's all going right into the brain panel. I think I'm up next. I have a, I have a good illustration for you. Because somebody said this, I heard it one time, but it just popped in my head. But they said, you know, the resurrection is like the receipt. And you say, what is a receipt? So if you have a receipt in your inner store, let's say you buy something and you get a receipt, and then you're still in the store,

and somebody comes up, you know, security, they're like, hey, did you pay for that? What do you do? You've shown the receipt. Right. So the resurrection is the receipt because you don't, you, he's paid for your sins once and for all. And once he came back from the dead, which was kind of what the essential was like, once he was exalted, we're not going to do this all over again.

It was grace that is eternal. So if you wanted three points, I would go with it's certain, and you can do the historical angle of it. And why is this the only religion in the history of the world that flourished once the leader died? because it really wasn't taking off. You ought to thought that that bunch is through. Yeah, it wasn't taken off until after he died. Every other one, once you kill the leader or the leader dies, well, the movement dies. But this one flourished.

It went from small to global. So I would go with certain. It's personal. And that gets back to that this same Jesus. And he was like, look at my hands and my feet. It wasn't like some hocus, pocus. were going to be, it was a,

I mean, and stayed here 40 days. He gave many convincing prayers that he was alive and he left as a human. So, because death is personal to me. We all have it coming.

It's, yeah. This is the path. And then I would say it's, it's love because, you said, what's the love got to do with it? Well, why come back?

You come back so you can share life with other beings. That's what the whole idea that forever, Give them what you have proven to be true. But us coming back, if only one person was raised, and I go back to the first fruits, why is he the first fruits?

Because if you were just by yourself, what are you going to do the rest of eternity? I mean, it's, we get to love each other. I mean, it's so inseparable because you go back to what Jesus is talking about, anybody who tries to save their life is going to lose their life. Yeah, exactly. But if you lose your life, for my sake, you're going to find your life. My life is going to become, I came so that they may have life. And we have an idea that we have life somehow apart from Christ, and we don't.

And this is what John 15 is, is that you're just like a branch that is ripped off a vine. There's no life in you at all. Because I live, you're going to live, because you abide in me. My life is going to flow through you. That resurrection has to be there. Well, because everything you chase, everything you chase in life is unfulfilling. It always has the same in. Resurrection life is only available to those who have died.

Yep. We don't get that. What part of you died to sin? You died. I mean, I've been crucified with Christ. I no longer live, but yet Christ lives in me. In this life I live, I live by one thing, and that's faith. It's his life.

It's not mine. It's his words. It's not mine. like he raises that scepter and speaks through you and thousands come to Christ. It's not you speaking. It's his life in you. It is the greatest story ever told. It absolutely is.

Every atheist I've talked to, I said, listen, let's just cut to the chase. Who has the best story? And most of them, they're honest ones. They'll think a little bit and they'll say, y'all have the best story. I wish I had what y'all had. I've had one tell me that. He said, he's on TV. You see him around.

He said, I wish I just had that. He said, maybe when I get in the tunnel, I'll be able to see the light at the end of the tunnel. I said, move before you get in the tunnel. Come into the light. John 3. You don't want that to be a train. Let's take a break. So here's my question, because we've kind of been hitting on some of the points.

And I'm taking notes because I'm preaching on the resurrection this Sunday. So to each of you, I'll ask you this question. And I've already heard one. that is really compelling to me that we've already talked about. What's the most compelling feature of the resurrection, of Jesus' resurrection to you? I mean, because the scripture obviously is full of compelling features about the resurrection. But what's the one that compels you the most about the resurrection? And why y'all are thinking, I'll mention one that I had written down.

And Larry, you just brought it up. It was from Romans 6 is the idea that the resurrection of Jesus is so powerful that it actually illustrates what we do in life when we surrender and die to sin and then come forth, which is that beautiful picture in Roman 6 of baptism. The idea is we're burying the old person and being raised to live a new life, which is a great picture of what Jesus did for us. So that's a compelling feature to me is that it's more than that. It's more than just one meaning.

It's bigger than that. So what would you guys say? I'll go first. I would say the most compelling feature to me is that it explains why there's so much suffering in the world. I wrote down this quote. I didn't know you were going to ask that question, but I'd written down this quote from Martin Luther that said suffering is intolerable unless you're sure of your salvation. and when you ask that question, you know, I thought about this because I can, I can get through difficulty.

And look, life is is filled with difficulty. And our current culture right now, there's a lot of things about it that is just painful. And you look at, you know, kids being abandoned to the drugs. epidemic to just the the lostness of our society and a lot of things and the crime and city, especially urban cities and bad things are happening all around us. But I'm like, you know what, I can make sense of this. God giving us a choice, God giving us Jesus, God giving us the documentation with Bibles to, you know, and other people, spirit-filled people to have purpose on life. And even then, life is still difficult and bad things are happening.

But I can endure. I can tolerate and I can try to help others out as long as there's a certainty of the resurrection. Because to me, no matter what happens, that's it. It's the only hope I've ever heard of life beyond the grave. It's the only time I've ever heard that. Have you ever read that anywhere else? where the dead are raised. And any storybook you've ever read, I mean...

Well, I mean, there's versions of it, I guess. I mean, everybody has some after- But a historical person that you're counting time by happens to be the one. Not where the subtle details of the followers, you know, being this coming from a Jewish religion where they just wouldn't believe this is possible. unless they saw it.

And they wouldn't believe, I mean, they wouldn't go to their death rather than deny Jesus was the Christ that he came back from the next time. It just wouldn't make sense. You know, I was like, wait a minute, these people wouldn't do this if this was all a hoax or a lie

and you have the historical documentation. But I chose that one about the suffering because I feel like that's the number one argument to why there's no God. And I'm like, well, the number one answer to that is the resurrection. Then all of a sudden you read that in the end, you know, God works all things for the good. Because if you take away death and you take away people's sins, you're making all things right. And it's almost unimaginable when you view heaven in that light and eternity that all of those injustices and all of that pain and all those tears and sadness.

and it's made right through the resurrection. It really is. Yeah, absolutely. It's funny you mentioned that. I thought about that when dad used the word hope. That's the first thing that came to mind, Jason. You said that from that MLK quote was hope. And it's interesting because he gave a pathway to hope and change.

And we had a political campaign a few years ago, hope and change. But it's not going to happen through governments, through, you know, edicts and ideologies. It's only going to happen through the resurrection, which I think. is powerful. I think, hang on. Hang on, Larry. Let's take a break and then we'll hear yours. I think one of the most remarkable things in the resurrection narrative and everything that

is connected to that. I mentioned the so that moments earlier is the sovereignty of God in action. Every time you see the word so that is the, you know, we hear phrases like the gates of hell will not prevail against this. And that's what he comes out of the grave with, saying, I was dead, and now I'm alive forever, and I hold keys of death and Hades, the realm of the dead in my hands. This is outside of human will to defeat. It was like this power, you know, duneumous, this idea that it's a dominant thing in any given situation. There's nothing greater than the power that rose Jesus from that grave.

And so the thing that just physically makes it so plain to me as man's will is trying to push back against this is the level that they went to. And so they immediately, when Jesus is buried, they're like, they don't have a body. Yeah. Okay. So what is the worst possible thing that can happen is for that body to disappear. We need that body to prove that he's just a man. Exactly. All right.

And so they sealed the tomb. They put a seal on it. They've put ropes on it. There's the seal, the Roman impression, you know, that this thing cannot be opened. They post guards. Yeah, they didn't have cranes back then. You know, the big movers. Yeah.

All of that, all of that human effort to fort this so-that moment that God is going to put this big exclamation point on, nothing in human capacity. can stop this. And so for me, just watching the human pushback against what God, they know God is going to do it. I mean, they absolutely know. Then and now. Yeah.

What Larry is saying, if it's priests that Christ has been raised from the dead, how can some of you, there at Corinth, say there's no resurrection from the dead? If there's no resurrection of the dead, not even Christ has been raised. Christ has not been raised. You're preaching it's useless, so is your faith. You're just saying the whole story stands or falls on the resurrection of Jesus.

That changes everything. It changes everything. You say, so you're telling me there's a chance. Yeah. You're telling me. To add even more to that, even once it happened, you remember the human effort was still trying to cover it up because they paid the guards to lie. Yeah, exactly.

What really happened. And then they were killed to be silent. So, I mean, look at human effort still. Yeah, we mentioned Lazarus while ago. And so they're like, okay. I mean, I've said this on the podcast before. The thing that got Jesus killed was the resurrection of Lazarus because it was very publicly witnessed by everybody in Jerusalem. they all came out to Bethany and we're mourning and here comes Lazarus walking out.

It's like, okay, what do we do now? There was plenty of evidence. Not only do we have to kill Jesus. Yeah. We got to kill Lazarus now, too. And so they're making a plot to kill them both to try to cover up evidence. And, yeah. Well, we've talked about that before.

What a ridiculous idea that somebody just raised somebody from the dead. And we said, we've got to kill him again. Yeah. Yeah, it's like when Peter cuts the ear off of the guy at the Gassimity, and Jesus heals him and just in front of everybody, and they still think it's a good idea to go ahead and arrest him, you know, at that point. It's the ridiculousness of the way the human mind works. Oh, it added. Yeah, yeah. Unbelief is, wow, it's a powerful thing.

So, Dad, what is, in our remaining minutes here, what is your biggest element of the resurrection that gets you fired up? What is the thing that jumps out at you? For Christ, 1 Corinthians 15, for Christ has indeed been raised from the dead, the first fruits of those who have fallen asleep, all these ones before us. Since death came through a man, the resurrection of the dead also comes through a man. As in Adam all die, we all know that. So in Christ, all will be made alive. Each in his own turn, Christ's the first fruits. Then when he comes, those who belong to him,

it's good enough to hold me my every waking moment. Amen. It's good enough for me. Yeah. Which is a huge compelling factor. That's where nothing more. That's the way it all ends. I just read till you how it out, that's the way it ends.

I'm like, let's go for it. when that's exactly what it shows us is that idea about into the Hebrews where he said he destroyed him who had the power of the fear of death to show that that was the way that we would be able to survive no matter what because you mentioned it Larry about Lazarus the thing about Lazarus he did die again yeah I mean he went through it twice yeah he went through it twice yeah but he's he's going to be resurrected twice too That's that unique perspective. I can't wait to talk to him about what that was like.

By the way, that's a good place to be. Yeah. These are conversations for heaven. What was the difference in the first and the second? Yeah, oh my goodness. Yeah. I think there's a vast difference between the two. I think that he'll be in a better place to answer that when we're standing there talking to him.

Well, that's why conversations, I think, in eternity, are going to be amazing to figure some of that out. I mean, I'm, I started at one point, I've lost a list of questions I had for people, you know, once I get to see them in eternity because, I mean, I assume we'll have a lot of conversation. Or maybe we won't even care. I don't know. The last enemy to be destroyed. First Corinthians 15, 26th is death. You say, it's an enemy that's destroyed. Right. And we live on. I just don't know why I'm more wouldn't repent and get in on this action.

That's right. Well, another compelling feature that I had was from John Chapter 5, and that is that the resurrection, because we tend to totally put it in a believer's positive, you know, because that's what we are. So to Jason point, we think about suffering, we think about all these. these things were delivered from. But, you know, John 5, you know, 28, 29 is a pretty scary picture of the resurrections. Paul mentions that in Acts 2415 as well, that the resurrection is also a gateway to judgment and justice for all of mankind. Right. And that's what verse 27 says. Right. That's exactly right. So a compelling feature to me is, you know, people say, well, I don't even believe in it of that stuff. Well, okay. But,

if what I believe is true, which I think it is, you will be raised from the dead and you will face an account of your life in the body for eternity. I mean, Jesus made that abundantly clear. Is that not true? Oh, absolutely. So would it be wrong to say if they say, I don't even believe in that stuff? And you say, well, you will. That's exactly.

Oh, you will. I don't know. That may be a little too confrontational. But it's true. You know what I mean? Yesterday I heard Phil in class and he was talking, you know, everybody runs to John 316. That's where everybody wants to hear. But nobody wants to talk about John 17 through 21.

The idea that you are Eddie stand condemned, that God did not send his son into the world to condemn the world because everybody's already snake bit. That's where he opened up in 14. You're told the verdict. What the verdict is. Right. And here is the verdict. And, you know, what a verdict is, is a rendering of a judgment. Yep.

That's a verdict. And so the verdict is that people love darkness instead of light. Yep. And so everybody knows there's light and dark. That's the very first thing. Let there be light. And we're not talking about the sun. We're talking about the contrast between light and dark.

good and evil choice of God or choice of man, who's in charge, and that's what the Tower of Babel is about. You know, it's like, no, I'm going to be in charge. And God is like, no, you're not. I think that's why when I started off of that dream, that's what kind of hit me. Nobody ever really talks about, I mean, can you imagine those people that contributed to Jesus's death? I mean, you're standing before God.

And he's like, yeah, I use your immorality, basically. to save the world, but I mean, what a play, I would hate to be a part of that. Well, that's, that's Revelation 19. John gives us a picture of Jesus' return, and I know that's, you know, where we began that series, but it's like every eye will see him, and all the peoples of the earth will mourn because of him. Everybody will see him, even those who pierced him. Oh, yeah. And that is the fulfillment of a prophecy from Isaiah, you know, and we read Revelation 19, And there was one thing I made yesterday. There's three Old Testament prophecies fulfilled in one sentence, you know, right there in Revelation 19.

Yeah. And it's just filled with everything that has been written is going to be fulfilled about me. I will suffer. I'll be handed over. It's what you just read in 1st Corinthians 15. Every single element's going to be fulfilled. And that's what the resurrection proves. Yeah.

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