Unashamed with the Robertson Family - Ep 6 | The Return to the Trump Hotel, Phil's Underwear Standoff, and the Fall of Man

Episode Date: June 2, 2019

Jase returns to the Trump Hotel after his awkward encounter with hotel security, Phil tells about the time he had a standoff in his underwear, and the question is asked: Whose fault was the fall of man, Adam's or Eve's?    Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

I am Unashamed What about you? So we're back on the river with the Unashamed podcast. A long way from New York. A long way from New York. This is a funny story I'm going to tell you.

You realize that when we go back to New York do all the shows to promote our podcast here. That was the first time I'd actually been back to the Trump Hotel since I was escorted out. When was that? I'm terrible at time. Five, six years ago. Yeah, back in 14.

You know, they thought I was a vagrant, homeless. And so even though the Trumps made it right, and that's how I actually got to have a relationship with them, I had never been back to that specific hotel. So when I walked in, the people working there formed a little line, and they were like, welcome back, Jace. They said it like 1, 23. I mean, it wasn't.

Like the Academy of Wards, and you, you're, Coming back in? They knew I was coming back. Well, I don't know who told them. I mean, I guess somebody made a decision from therein. Oh, this is the guy we escorted out a few years ago. So look, the whole two days that we were there, every time I walked in, they would say my first name. Welcome home, Jays.

You went from a vagrant to a celebrity. I think they were being funny about it. We were all laughing because they had a little smirk of it. on their face when they did it. So I thought, well, this is. Now, these trumps, I tell you. I just thought it was very professional. Well, you know, and the guys, though, the bellhops and the doorman, and I mean,

it's been the same guys that have been there the whole time. We've been doing this for like six years. That's where we like to stay. And so, I mean, I know them now. And they're like, oh, welcome back. Well, I hadn't been back there. You haven't, but we have. Because we've done.

If you're a somewhat famous person, I'll put you in that category. and you go to a prestigious hotel and they escort you out of the building for being what they thought was a vagrant. Or a threat. Or a threat. Yeah. And it's just not good for business. And I think Donald Trump is more than smart enough to spot that. So somewhere word came down from the top.

No, but I love Jay's line on one of the shows. Don't run this bunch out of there. They're going to look a little rough. One of the shows that Jay's did, he said, but you know. They're millionaires. I knew that Trump was serious about immigration. I just saw how he ran his hotel. I mean, he's about security.

I believe that. You know, when he says, I'm going to build the wall, he's building the wall for the same reason that I was in that hotel for 12 seconds and somebody was getting me the heck out of there. This guy doesn't belong here. It was a safety issue. So I kind of like that. Yeah.

That's why that whole thing got started because I thought, that made me feel good about that. My wife loved it, of course, for a lot of reasons. But she was like, well, you needed some humility. But she said, I've never felt safer. I mean, you wasn't in here a minute. They were getting you out of here. I like staying at a place like that.

Well, plus, you've got to get into the Roberts of mine, too. Let's be honest. One of the reasons dad loves staying at the Trump is because they have a bone-in rabbi there. It says for two. Well, it is for two. But I hate that whole thing. What is it?

Is it like 35 ounce? I don't know, but the Asian guy who brought that in there, you know, not only did he bring this, I mean a fine cut of beef cooked perfectly. Yes. He brought it in there. He bowed before me. And then he walked out the door and I thought, no, we. And I waited until I tasted that first bite. I said, we've hit the jackpot here.

It's a big time living here. When I saw it, I thought, whoa. and I took my fort, didn't need the knife. And I thought, yeah, because it said they had aged it for like 30 days. It was a fine piece. They said, I watched it well about Donald Trump, but I just went to his hotel, and I said, whoever owns this outfit, oh, they've got this thing going,

because I've gone to various hotels from Motel 6 to people, yeah, yeah, fighting next door. But I rolled up in there, and I said, boy, this is fine living here. So anybody can run a hotel like that, elect him. So here's what I was saying to ask. So you think about the years you go back. So, you know, 30 years ago, we go on a hunting trip to film for videos for Duck Commander. And so versus now, we're at the Trump eating the thing.

Remember what was the story? Oh, I know that. I was thinking of that story. We're in Idaho. I mean, because you just, we're hunting every day. Remember we used to do that all the time when we hunted our, made our videos. And so we just go on a road trip for a week.

You know, of course, Phil, you know, he hadn't bathed. He had, it's just, you're talking about rough. And so you would just basically find a cot anywhere. And we found some dive of a, I don't think it was a hotel. It was a motel. It was just one floor. So we take all our guns out, you know, because you don't want anybody to steal your stuff out of the truck.

and the way this thing was set up, it was like a series of rooms and Phil was in the front room right by the door. Yep. And it's like 2 or 3 o'clock in the morning. That's correct. And you hear that doorknob start. Turn them. Yeah, turn him. I hear someone outside missing with the door.

And I thought, well, we had brought our guns inside so that they wouldn't steal our guns out of a rig on the outside. So I'm in a position where the door. You were the leading edge. When you opened the door, the bed was, it was weird because it wasn't a normal motel. That's right. When they opened the door, it's just a bed. And here's Phil in his tidy whitties. And he had grabbed his gun and laid it across his lap.

I just knew they weren't supposed to be there. He set up like an Indian. You know what I mean? Just like in that position, the Indian position. With his gun in his lap. Yeah. I loaded gun. Tidy wikes.

The guy opens the door and immediately raises his hands. Well, the door opened toward me, and the guy stepped through very nimbly. And when he come right past the door, I've got this. I was going to do a hip shot. I just, I had enough bullets here to do some serious damage. And I had a gun lowered on his frame. Well, when he come, and he looks to the left. And there I'm sitting there, you know, with my underwear.

Do you remember what you said? You said two words. No, what he said was he looked at me. He spoke first and he said, wrong room. And I nodded. That is correct. I didn't say a word. I think you said wrong room.

He said wrong room. I just nodded. I just nodded. You are correct, sir. And so look, he backs out with his hands still up. I didn't say get your hands up. when he said wrong room look his hands come up like i said get your hands up but i never spoke i i know i was watching it by then i watched the you know the aftermath look they got had his hands up

and he was walking across the parking lot with his hands still he looked back and i was standing in the door now still from the hip you know bird shot duck shot is pretty well so he looks back at me and his hands are kind of like this but he looks back and he went they got higher or the further he went. So I think it was a combination of the beard, the gun, and just feels the underwear. Yeah. And he's like, hey, of all the places to try to break into for mischief.

Boy, you talking about a bad turn. Which is living proof that a lot of times, if you have a robber or a burglary intent on causing, stealing your stuff, and many times you actually don't have to say, a word. You can just sit there, let him do the talking, and they'll leave with their hands held high. If you're armed. He was about what he didn't realize that he might have. He was about this close to dying. Look, I mean, the last trip I went on, when I was in a vehicle, I fooled

around and was, you know, running low on gas. It was like one, one o'clock in the morning. So I stopped. Well, it's just me. There's nobody at the gas station. You know, it wasn't even open. I was just getting the gas. And I looked up and here comes a fellow walking across the street and he's walking toward me. So I calmly opened the back door. I got a basically a sawed-off shotgun that'll hold

10 rounds and I just grabbed the end of it. I'm just watching him come. But when he saw me do that, he put his hands up. He said, Duck Dynasty fan. I said, okay, come on. I mean, he knew what was fixed to happen. He's like

he saw that door open. I put put my hand down and I'm looking at him like, now what are we going to do here? Which I wasn't going to pull it on him until I had assessed that there's a danger. It's not paranoia. It's just preparedness. That's right. Hey,

if it's one o'clock in the morning and you're by yourself and here comes a guy walking down the street towards you, that's called being smart. Or somebody is jimming your door. You know it's locked. Well, Phil, that was obvious. He doesn't have a key and he's coming in. I'm like, bad move on whoever that is. But here's what I love about our fans.

Like this guy, he wasn't offended by the... He totally expected it. You realize that, you know, most of the stuff going on between midnight and five in the morning is not good. That's right. And I'm getting gas. I'm in a vulnerable situation. But now I'm armed. I have my Bible and I have a weapon.

I'm ready to go either way. Well, that was dad or side. One of them's famous line on the Today Show was that, you know, we'd rather. have a Bible study, but if a gunfight breaks out, we're ready either way. You know, the Bible calls itself a sword, you know, an instrument of the Almighty to cut to the heart. It's called a sword for a reason because, you know, it's spiritual warfare. So anyway, so it's good to be back home. It's good to be back home. We have made some major strides in hotel accommodations from the old days to today.

You're not going to have anybody Jimmy the lot at the trunk. It came full circle. We've come a long way. We're all friends. We're friends again. That's a right right, which is nice. So we've been talking about, we just decided to start at the beginning. And we talked last time about Genesis 1, sort of the idea of creation.

And especially compared to kind of what the world puts forth. Dad talked about, you know, the idea. idea of chance and you know we talked a lot about well you got to ask yourself how did we get here it's a question every human being at some point in his life it runs across his mind right and it is how do they get here isn't it interesting jays that god and his wisdom of the bible when we talked about moses being the one that wrote this uh you know the first five books of the bible that he starts with the fundamental question with the bible itself where do we come from yeah because that's what people are going to always ask. And it doesn't matter about your education level, anytime throughout history,

whether you live out in a TP in a middle of a field. Well, the acknowledgement of how you got here will affect how you live your life. If you think we came from seaweed, well, you're just pretty much. Two schools of thought have emerged. One is the supernatural. That's a belief. Uh, that some supernatural or divine force controls nature and the universe. We're in that camp. And my thinking is, I love the atheist of the world and the agnostics. I don't hate them at all. I believe that there's some force who controls the universe.

Now, we know we have law. As in created it. Right. created it. And so I believe that. You say, if I'm mistaken, I'm going into a hole in the ground, so are all the atheists along with me. They're going into the holes in the ground. We'll all physically die. The problems introduced in Genesis is sin and physical death. Both of them came with the fall of man. Any way you slice it, even an atheist would have to say, you know, some think they may be calling it sinful.

I don't use the word sin, but is it right for burglars to come in, like we talked about in the motel, steal your stuff and leave? Was it a good thing or a bad thing? I said, that's a bad thing. He broke in and stole stuff. I think everyone acknowledges good and evil. You think about even in Hollywood, think of the amount of movies that are centered around the battle of good and evil. So you have one group who believes in God. Naturalism is the theory that between good and evil can be reduced to non-normative or factual terms and statements according to psychology and biology.

You can answer these questions about good and evil, right and wrong, hatred and love, patience and impatience, war and peace. you can answer all those questions through human means, biology and whatever. So all I'm saying to all the atheists of the world, that camp says it just happened somehow. We don't know what caused it, the cosmos. We know it's there. We think there was some kind of explosion that put it into place. We're camping out there, and we will not listen to any of. any other arguments. I'm just saying, is it possible that there is a being behind the big

explosion y'all are talking about? Is it possible that in the beginning there was, there is a God who created, is it at least possible? Is it plausible? So they would have to say, well, it's possible, I guess. So I'm thinking that's where I'm standing. I believe that someone was behind this. They'll agree to all the various laws of force, energy, light, gravity, all the laws. They'll agree with that. They're all in place. They're saying they just somehow all the various laws of the cosmos of nature.

They agree that they're there, but I'm saying, well, how did they get there? So what you're saying is then by this description of naturalism or natural law is a recognition. is a recognition that it's just nature, it just is there. We don't really have an explanation other than we can figure it out with biology or psychology. They're saying now universal, even in that world, that there was a beginning. Oh, yeah. Now, for a while, they're just like, well, it was just always here. Kind of they were static.

They know there was a beginning. Now they're like, okay, something happened. Now what they'll describe it is, it's pretty comical when you Google. you know, they use terms like big crunches and, you know, it's like all these energy and gases combine, something with these strings in the energy, you know, that supply the energy that was just floating around. There's no acknowledgement for how that got here.

I think that. With their, you know, their rationale. There's none. It just, I would think, Al, they would have to admit that when we discuss the fall of man, the creation itself and the fall of man, I think everyone, an honest atheist at least, would say that it had ramifications and still has to this day sin and physical death. They're still here from my observation of the human race. You say, well, why do we feel

guilty when we do this particular act of that. You say, where did that guilt come from? But we have a conscience that seems to be saying, you know, when you did right, you know, when you do wrong, there's an awareness of that. I think they would have to admit, all we're saying is, any way you want to slice it, what happened in the Genesis account, the fall of man, sin is introduced and physical death with it. Remember, don't eat of that. that or you will surely die. Before we get there, let's back up. So you're right.

What happens is we, humanity, human beings, are really the dividing line because we can talk a lot about everything that's here, what we see, what we observe. But in the creation process that we talked about before, we get down to God creating humanity, creating a man, and then out of the man, the woman. And so that's where it really then becomes the litmus test Because obviously the other side believes in the theory, by the way, of evolution, which says that it came out of the animal world, which is still a problem of how did he get here and all that.

But just think about that that basically animals evolved to us. We're sitting here doing a podcast, critical thinking, you know, I mean, in looking at this thing to say that however far you'd have to go back, we were swimming or amphibious or whatever, wherever, you know, whatever the latest theory is. Which group of animals that we supposedly came from, which group of animals handed down to us the knowledge of good and evil? Punishment. Yeah. Even an awareness of a God.

Which animal group did we inherit that from because you would think there would be some animal groups just below us that we evolved from? They would just be right there. But you got warm-blooded mammals. They don't seem to have a consciousness of God and of right and wrong. And then it stopped happening.

Why is it just us? Why did it stop happening? How come you don't see? Because they're like, well, because we're just in this small window. But if that process happened, you would still be seeing the process every once in a while. That's right. Well, their claim is that you just don't live long enough to see it. So you watch these sci-fi shows, and eventually in another million years or whatever,

we'll be able to do, you know, we've got, we can, we're pure energy and we're this and we're this and we're there. You know, everything is about this. It's just enough time. You just need more time does. You're not, you're only looking at this over the course of your one life. That's why you can't grasp it. The problem is someone starts reading the Bible and they're like, it seems like a story that somebody made up,

especially when you get to the talking snake. Oh, you have a, wait a minute here, we have a snake. They're in a garden. There's a god. You know what? I'm out on that. I think it's just that that people, you know, humans tend to be on a wavelength that they're smarter.

and intellect will win the day. That's why, you know, at universities, it seems to be that they're, for the most part, against the concept of God being in control because that's too simplistic. And you make a good point that a lot of times people say, well, if I can find one thing that seems like an exception to everything else that makes sense,

therefore it debunks the whole thing. And so people think that way all the time. It's like knowing the art, you know. I mean, you built a boat. I mean, you saw what? Hollywood did with that they couldn't even follow the same story I mean I thought it was a pretty good movie anyway but they couldn't follow the real story because it's too absurd for for them they're like this it just can't be but to me it's just as not just

as it's way more absurd to say that we got all our intellect all our decision-making properties good and evil from the animal world survival of the fish that that That's what you're going with? It doesn't make, we're eating our ancestors? It just doesn't. Plus the animals, plenty of them can run faster than all of us. They can see better, have much better eyesight,

are far more stronger than all of us. That's a good point. How in the world do we get shortchanged? Because we've got animals that will leave us in the dust. We can't run as fast or jump near as high. And we'll eat you. Some will eat you. And we'll eat you while they're at it.

And you're like, well, look like we got a bad deal. from whatever group we came from because they are running us, out jumping us. That's a good point. We ought to be faster than the animal world if it breeds a higher order as you go. We ought to be able to outrun a cheetah. That's right. But we can't. No.

But they're saying one day you'll be able to. So here's what the Bible says about our genesis, our creation. In 128, he says, let us make man. in our image. And we talked to that for how God is triune in nature three, you know, the Father, the Son, the Holy Spirit you see throughout the Bible.

So there's these three distinct aspects of God. And so he makes us in his image, he says. Think about some dude. He's lying. There is no God as far as he knows. He just made it up.

Moses is just sitting under a tree. Think of the intellect. it would have taken to dream up this story, the genesis of the cat. I mean, what is it? Some kind of world traveling, knew about the oceans and land coming up. You talk about on some serious mushrooms, this dude was either way out there and was a rambling idiot, or you say, but it seems so orderly in the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth, and then there was like the first day, the second day, the third day.

You're like, it was so orderly put in there. How could a guy just sat down under a tree somewhere in that time frame and dreamed the Genesis account up? Well, and to attribute it to a multifaceted God. Yeah. And then us created multifaceted. We have a body, a soul, and a spirit. Yeah. There's three distinct parts of us, by the way, made in the image of God.

So you're right. That's a, man, for the time frame he lived, that's a pretty big. And I think it didn't, you can tell from reading Genesis, the first. 10 chapters that you're not getting all the details. He's basically letting you know what you need to know. Big picture. You have this weird circumstances in chapter 6, I think, where it's talking about the daughters of the end and the sons of God.

And they created giants on the earth. But, you know, we see a little bit of that even today. I mean, what I'm saying you see some huge guy. well, I think about Genesis 6. Other people, they're thinking, boy, the seaweed process has really produced. You know, look at this. But it's like the Bible actually answers every kind of question. Even down to the giants, it just doesn't go into detail.

Even with the talking snake I said, it doesn't matter whether there was an actual snake to me talking or if that was. some kind of picture of what happened because what really happened I wouldn't have the human capacity to understand. And I think there's a, here's a school of thought. It happens to be mine. I never read it anywhere. But I'm just read the Genesis account and I see about these big people. If you could live eight, nine hundred years, like the Bible says, they were living when they

were made. Human beings were living eight, nine hundred years. Yeah, started out. But he signaled when he stopped that. Yeah. And I'm saying at about 400, you're just, you're hitting about middle age. You're 400 years old. I would think human beings would get larger, bigger, stronger because it was the perfect.

You got to remember, it was made the cosmos. You say if you had a perfect earth with the perfect amount of water, there was no rain for a while. There was a water with a mist. You said, I can see why you would find big animals. If you had animals that were living, if we're living 8,900, you say the animal world was probably out living us. But if you look at it, you say the animals would get bigger because they were there longer. The vegetation was far better than it is now. I don't think there were any vast areas of deserts, Sahara deserts and all that.

Well, there was nothing bad. We know that. I mean, in other words, it was called paradise. Your genes are, your genetic makeup is perfect because remember when seeing hit, we've been kind of going down genetically ever since. That's right. And the years are getting less and less on us. And you say, finally, we ended up by 75 or 80.

But when you could go for 8,900, I think everything would be bigger, would be more healthier. You just look at it. Well, you got to remember to prove your point. In Genesis 2. I could be wrong there, just a thought. Let me just read that. In Genesis 6 is where that happened. He said, when men began to increase a number on the earth and daughters were born to them,

the sons of God, who knows exactly who that is, saw that the daughters of men were beautiful, and they married any of them they chose, then the Lord said, My spirit will not contend with man forever for his mortal, for he is mortal. His days will be 120. And so then later on, I think it's in Psalms, he got down to 70, which is the average stage now, generally, which is how did he? know that. Yeah, but 75.

2,000 years ago, right? And he got the average lifespan. I mean, think about it. Google it's your phone. But now, of course, the difference in Genesis 6, where you describe, we've already had the divide, you know, in humanity, you back up to Genesis 2 before we get there, you see a perfect situation. And Adam is created.

Eve is created from him. They're told to eat anything you want in the garden. They named all the animals. named all the animals, which would be awesome, you know. And so. By the way, we still call them what they call them. Yeah. You know, a dog's still a dog.

Right. Whatever language you're in. Cats a cat, a bird's a bird. You're like, why do we use all the name? Why are we all using? And you say, what is they call water? Well, water is still water. Let's see, the dirt come up, the ground.

It was called land. I'm like, what do they call it in China? They said, they call it land. I think people will try to change. change that though but it is they did the same thing well they haven't yet he because he created you know that one frame in genesis two where he says he created them male and female that's still there that but they're trying to change that but oh big time maybe not I mean what I'm saying is in our society they don't like what Phil is pointing out so at some point maybe they will try to call

a dog a cat that's because I never thought someone would try to change a female, you look at a female and you say, okay, I got it. She's definitely not a boy. But then they're like, well, wait a minute. You know, in her mind, she may be. So let's change that. I'm telling you, that's what's our culture. A dog would identify as a cat, so we had to call him a cat by some of our logic that's

going around. You just think you would see getting back to the point if it was all this evolutionary process only from seaweed or spark or whatever, you would think, you would see more of a mix. You know, you'd think you'd see a dog running around with a cat's head. How could it come out so perfectly? I'm just saying if you're atheists, you don't believe in God. Why is it you call when God separated the water from the water? The chasm in the middle was called sky. He said, it's a sky. Well, atheists, I don't believe they should use Genesis language to call the sky, the sky because they're using biblical terminology.

They call the sky sky, they call the moon to moon. Two great lights. You say, yeah, there's two great lights. Well, we call land, land, water, water, in the animal world. We call them by the names of Genesis. Well, why go to Genesis to get the names all straightened out if, in fact, it's not true? I mean, why not call it something else? What would they say?

But they would say Genesis got this from somebody else. I'm telling them, don't call everything, the same thing God call them, unless you believe in God. Call them something else. But you can't call them what God. Don't use their terminology. Make up your own stuff. Because you're getting down to truth. No, the truth is, the dog is still a dog.

And, you know, there's no cat. So you get to looking at it. You're like, y'all quit using the language of Genesis now because you don't believe in God. The sky's really not the sky. Somebody dreamed that. It's a fairy tale. Football is not a football. The Bible's a fairy tale.

There's no sense. Let's saying it's sky and water. Get up every morning and everything everybody does. We're just going to say, no, I'm calling a football and baseball. That's right. From now on, that's what we're calling. So the setup is we've got this perfect place. It's great.

Adam and Eve are the first man and woman. They're the first husband and wife, by the way. We know that the DNA crowd have checked it back. They've checked it back. We all came from the first female to met with. Well, the DNA was, I was. I would say it was a game changer, or life changer, however you want to do it. But it's still, you know, only Jesus can change the heart.

That's why you... It moved the needle. It moved the needle. It did move the needle because now they're struggling with what to call it. For a while they was calling this genetic code. They're like, well, we can't call it a code because what happens to code? Somebody had to write the code. It's an encoder.

Yep. So now they're trying to figure out what to call it, the most complex information divulging happening in the body you have all this information and you know they say if you stretch it out would actually write it down

and unroll it because it's all packed tight in our body it would like go throughout the universe for just one person I mean you just have all this inside of you're like wait a minute how come it started off so complex

and then got more simple that doesn't make sense I mean we're so complex inside our body. So the setup is, the setup is they're told to, they're having, they're populating the earth, they're having children. And we read about some in here, but I mean, there were others, obviously, because you read about them later. All of a sudden, you know, Kane has a wife, where'd she come from, where they were. That's what I said. I think it's a general. There's a much bigger story. I look at this as the same way I do revelation, which is,

and it's singular revelation, Jesus is it's a picture. He gave you a picture. What you need to know. And there's obscure passages in the Bible that that calls you to view the Bible this way. Remember the story? It's just a random story in like 2nd Corinthians 13, I think it's 13, 12, 11 where he said, Paul said, I knew a guy that was called up to the third heaven for 14 years. Yeah. And I mean, what in the world is this all about?

He said he saw things that couldn't be told. and he just leaves it at that. But you read a story like that, you know it's hard for the human brain to wrap yourself around how big God is and how he functions and how he did make all this. Because look, basically, if you could comprehend all this, he really wouldn't be God.

If you could just comprehend it in your finite brain, well, he wouldn't be big enough. And I think that's what was happening here. So all the excuses that people who don't believe in God that they use, it's all the same stuff. Oh, the ark's not big enough. Well, how come there's evil in the world? Well, that's a pretty easy one to answer if you really follow the rest of it.

Let me take off on that because I want to give your take on this. So there are two game changers that happen we get to Genesis 3. I mean, the first two chapters, we're laying it out. Things are great. You know, there's no sin in the world. Everything's perfect. So we get to Genesis 3, and there's two things that we realize that happened. one is there's there's a couple of trees in the center of this place where these people are living

and one is called the tree of life which we find which we found out later means that they're eating from that they would have lived here they would have been no death but what what's i think is fascinating about that and we may disagree on this it's okay you can be wrong yeah why did they have the tree of life, you know, because I thought, I mean, if a stick, what happens if a branch breaks up? Because you've got trees, see, I know you got branches. One falls off, lands on his head. So they had to eat the tree of life for a reason. They weren't created like an eternal being. I agree. I agree. 100%. That why are you eating the tree of life? And then, you know. So you still had to get sustenance to live. There was, yeah, you were. Yeah, you were.

were created, you're not eternal. That's right. And you notice when he banished them from the garden, there's a key little phrase there and he said, you will no longer be able to stretch out your hand and take and eat of the tree of life and live forever. Which started the degradation process.

First it was 100 years, then it was 120, then it was 70. Which the term God is the author, the author of life would simply mean they might have used the trees just as a, but he's the author of life. Well, and I think that's why he, he, the plan became that Jesus would one day technically be hung on a tree, Galatians to, and become the author of life again.

And we read about the tree of life and revelation. So let me get to the two game changers. So what happens is there's another tree there called the tree of knowledge of good and evil. Makes perfect sense to me. Me too. So it's there. He tells them you can eat from any tree in the garden, including the tree of life. One command.

One command. Don't eat from that tree. Surely they won't break it if it just was. It's just one. And it was in the form of that tree. So that was one game changer is that now we have a command. So there's a choice that's made. But that shows you that God created us with a choice.

Exactly. Which is why this whole thing happened. And so they're walking past it every day. So that's one game changer is that happened. But then the most important game changer is in Genesis 3 is all of a sudden. sudden, and you talked about it, the serpent, who didn't look like you would today, but because we found out later what happens to him. But he's there. So Satan, the devil, the evil one, all the names we come up for, he is inhabiting this serpent in whatever form of it. Which basically

gives you the picture that he's a spiritual being not like the human. Right. He's from that world that we know nothing about, which is fine, but we just know he's evil. And what's amazing to me, Jay, is we don't, the Genesis account, all of a sudden, he's just here impacting people because he starts talking to Eve and starts saying, did God really say? Well, right. You know? He created the setting first.

I think that's an important point because that kind of like what he did when he tempted Jesus. It was more about the setting. Yep. Well, here, you know, if you're created by God and you're put in a garden, you know, look at it from me's perspective. Whoever this God is is obviously powerful, eternal, all-knowing. But in this one instance, she didn't think he was, he, the God was listening to the conversation. Well, she wouldn't, I mean, you wouldn't be so, so careless.

You think about it, God knows all. He knows how many hairs on our head. But whenever we mess up as humans, in those moments, we feel like God's a million miles away. He's obviously not who we said he was, this all-consuming fire, or you would never do that. You would never be having a conversation

about something he said, don't do. So I think it's an important point because I think people tend to blame the evil one too much. They're like, you know, the devil made me do it. You know, you got James is pretty clear. You know, God doesn't tempt anyone. one, each one is tempted when by his own evil desire he has dragged away and enticed. The evil and its powers, the devil, demons, spiritual forces, how you want to do it.

I think they set up situations like they did with Job, you know, they just attacked him. But you still have that ability to choose what you're going to do about it. Well, think about it. The question is pretty innocuous. did God really say you must not eat from any tree in the garden? I think the question. But the sub point in that is he wanted her to question God. Doubt.

He starts in with doubt. So here's her response. We may eat fruit from the trees in the garden, but God did say you must not eat fruit from the tree that is in the middle of the garden and you must not touch it or you will die. Well, it was a great answer. It was a great answer. So everything is perfect, right?

And then here's where the lie comes in. This is where lying begins. Dad, you talked about this before, the father of lies. Give him that verse. Genesis 3, 4. He says, you will not surely die. He says to the woman, for God knows that when you eat of it, your eyes will be opened. And you will be like God, knowing good and evil.

Which was true. A lot of truth in that statement. The best lie is the one with the most truth in it. That's right. And is that a lie? when you really believe it, you know, because the people convince himself. The key phrase to me in there was when he said, you will be like God. And that therein lies the entire problem of humanity from this point to as we sit here today

in 2019. It's people trying to be God. And I think the underlying theme was the evil one was representing that you will never reach your potential if you do it God's way. Right. That was the underlying theme. And I think that's what people today think. They think, I'll never reach.

I'm limited if I do it God's way because there are certain things that in their mind, they think they must do. So that limits them. As the guy told me, the atheist of the day, he said at some point in the conversation, he said, no one is going to tell me who I can have sex with. That was one of his statements. And he looked at me and he said, and you say, I said, I say, God. demands a life of restraint.

I said, but it goes back to right here. You want to do it, God's way. What he was saying is, I'm going to step into God's shoes and say, I'll be my own God. I'll be my own God. Nobody's going to tell me how I'm going to roll. See what I'm saying? And her reaction is not.

That was Eve's problem. It's not unreasonable. When the woman, when Eve saw that the fruit was good for food, in other words, it wasn't like it was, I mean, it was appealing, pleasing to the but also desirable for gaining wisdom. She's thinking, how bad can it be? I mean, I'll know more. She took some and ate it.

She also gave some to her husband who was with her. So by the way, he's just right there, you know. He ended up saying, you know, blame the woman. She's one of God. Yeah, he tried to blame her because he didn't lead. He could have just stepped in and said, no, no, no, whoa, whoa, whoa. I think that's a fundamental principle. He should have stepped up and taken a leadership role and said, no, we're not doing it.

this. I mean, I think sometimes in your silence is just as bad. That's right. And not doing anything. It's uncomfortable. You know, all of a sudden, you're having some weird conversation with some being you don't know and your wife is, you know. What was that saying? All that it takes for evil to reign is for good men to do nothing. Yeah. Someone said that like as a quote, but really that's true. I mean, that's what you see here. I don't know. Somebody said it. I tend to look at it and say that woman brought us a lot of trouble. See, that's still laughing. That's your problem.

That's 1930. No, the man to me was just as bad. I don't know. The Apostle Paul said, look, the reason, you know, that you'd be submissive to you, to your husband is that you're the one that sin first, not Adam. You sin first, then Adam.

I think his point was we're made differently. We have different roles. But trust me, he dropped the ball here. He didn't. Look, I've used this example, you know, speaking to when you go in the old-tend. I'm saying he jumped the ball, but she was the one to threw the ball over to him. I'm glad me. Let me give you a heads up.

Men tend to just hit and run. They take the benefits of a relationship, you know what I mean? And then they're out of there. They don't want the responsibility or to hold, you know, people accountable. And that's the problem in our society. I know this, the ramifications of what we are reading. it had far-reaching consequences all the way to us all these years later you say it's still there sin and physical death it's a problem and we can't solve it we can't solve it and i'm never one adam and eve both to say

look they were terrible if they had just not done this you know what would have happened if if you would have put any of us in their scenario we probably would have made a bad choice because we make bad choices every day. So they're just showed human nature. And look, they had one thing, just one. We think about all the things we try to do and not do. We talk about it. And any way you want to slice it out, even the atheists and agnostics have to say,

for all of you out there who may be atheists or agnostic, you have to say, sin is a problem. Right. And physical death is a problem, and we fear both of them. That's right. And there were two trees. The fear of death, physical death, you say, oh, it's there, all right. And it is a problem for all of us.

So to dismiss it and say, so any way you want to slice it, you get back to the cosmic struggle, through the history, you look back and you say, you know, they can say what they want to. But sin is a problem. And physical death is surely one. And both of them have caused a lot of fear, a lot of anxiety, sin and physical. death. It's really a problem. A guy 4,000 years ago made up a story about two trees in a garden that represent those two things.

That's right. The sin and death that we still struggle with, everybody. That we still struggle with. It's incredible. And that then 40 other authors would write various other letters in times of history that actually identify the same issue and then offer redemption through the whole thing. Yeah, to look at this and say, well, you guys, you Bible. thumpers, you're not dealing with reality. Oh, I beg to differ. Well, this is reality right in front

of you. You say, oh, look at the sins of the world, the murder, rape, robbery. But right on the heels of the creation itself, which he offers, and anybody that gets into the creation details that we were talking about, I mean, if you're fair and honest, it leads you to a creator. It's too complex. It just does. The details is too complex. And we're still living with the results. So next time, great discussion.

Next time we're going to look at some of the immediate consequences that we see here in the text in Genesis 3. And then we're going to look at some of the bigger consequences that happened for not only sort of what I call the first family, you know, their children and others, but then this is going to lead up to worldwide destruction in a very short period of time. And we'll talk about the ramifications of what that means. in today's world as well. So, appreciate you as always,

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The Thief of America's Soul. If you hadn't had a chance to pick that up and read it, it is a great book, which really shows a lot of what we've been talking about at, the genesis, but we're seeing it all these thousands of years later in our culture. Trust me, the evil one, he started out whispering in Eves ear, but he's doing a lot of damage, and he has the human history. So the book deals with that.

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