Unashamed with the Robertson Family - Ep 603 | Phil's Platinum Country Album & Miss Kay Hated When Granny Watched This on TV

Episode Date: December 23, 2022

Jase and Al remember how when they were kids, all the siblings and cousins would pile up in the yard, form alliances, and go to war. Phil was surprised, when he listened to the Robertson Christmas album, at how country they all sounded. Jase and Al laugh about watching old movies on Christmas Eve in the theater with Phil and Miss Kay — and how they had the theater all to themselves. And Miss Kay recalls how her sweet granny loved to watch wrestling! The Blind hits theaters in 2023. Get updates, trailers, behind-the-scenes moments, and special opportunities here: https://theblindmovie.com - Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

I am unashamed. What about you? Welcome to Unashame. We've got our very special mom, Miss Kay. Very Christmas. You look Christmas. You look very Christmas. The hat. You got the sweater. I got the snowman. Snowman sweater. Are we going to have gifts this year? Remember every year when you used to say we're not going to have gifts because we're just too poor? Well, I think we're going to have what you like best. What I give you to be. play poker with. So that's what you're a gift to be.

No, you know what's funny. You're right. So we've come full circle because now we're so big. There's so many of us because now everybody's getting, all our kids are getting married and,

you know, we're having grandkids. We are. So great grandkids for you. And so now everybody was talking about Christmas. And they're like, no gifts. Like,

we're tired of messing with all that. Like, nobody needs anything. So like, except for like the little kids in the family. Nobody. So we just decided that. So it's kind of like we've come full circle.

I was so disappointed. So a buddy of mine, I hadn't played golf since I've been back, you know, doing the TV show and this, and it's duck season. So my buddy's like, we won a couple tournaments this past year. He's like, hey, you need, you probably have a bunch of money on credit at the golf place. But on January 1st, they reset it. So it's a little plaza. I was like, really? So he said, you need to go up there.

So you have a year to cash it in or you lose it. Yeah. Yep. So I went up there yesterday because I thought, well, I'll just do my Christmas shopping with the money that I won during the year. Well, here's the problem. These golf course people are pretty smart. When I walked in there, there was nothing there. Because everybody else is doing the same thing.

It's right by, you know, I only have a week to get this. son. You were too late to the party. So I'm like, give me a case of golf balls, and another case of golf balls, and another case of golf, and another case of golf, and another case of golf, so I told me, I was like, I got, I got gifts this year for the, what's that game they play, the elephant in the, Oh, yeah, the white elephant. And so I was like, yeah, I said, yeah, put the white elephant right here.

The elephant in the room is when we're, somebody has a problem and we're not doing. So she said, that's a whole other game. So she said, well. She said, well, we're not doing that this year. I was like, what? I finally got a present worth having. That's probably why we disbanded that game. Because I looked around and people just grabbed a bunch of junk that they had from some other gift.

And it's like, re-gifting. Yeah, it was, nothing was any goods. I was like, I'll put a case of, you know, $55 worth of golf balls. I'll guarantee that that'll be top shelf. But we're not having it. No, it's over. And mom, remember that year you boxed up your cat? That was a movie.

Oh, wait a minute. That was Aunt Bethany. Yeah, that was a funny movie. It was a funny movie. So I wanted to talk a little bit, Mom, about since you're here, you're our Christmas historian. But I was thinking about this, knowing when we were talking about Christmas,

because this is our Christmas episode podcast. We taught some, like, I know Sye was on one time, and he and dad talked about their Christmas. I don't think I've ever heard about when you were a kid, when you were a little girl. What was Christmas like at your house? I don't think we've ever talked about this. I don't think I'm asking a question.

I have no idea what they answered. Okay. Well, here it was. We had a Christmas tree in our picture window that was beautiful. And I used to sit there for hours and just look at it. But our Christmas involved, on Christmas Eve, I got to open a couple of presents. from home.

But then the real Christmas came on the Christmas day where when you went up to Nanny's house and you're the only one that would remember Nanny's house. But she had... Do you remember Jase? Do you remember Nanny's? No, I doubt Jace remembers much about that. He was... Of course, he didn't know anything either, so...

So she had a huge living room with a picture window, a huge picture window. And the dining room was just... It was all beautiful. And what happened is all year we didn't use those rooms. So they were ice cold. So you didn't go in there. They're either too hot or too cold. You didn't go in there.

But then she warmed them up right for Christmas, and they were just all lit up. And it was just beautiful. It's like just going into a palace or something. For me, as I remember as a little girl, and the best meal, you know, I've ever had up there. Not the best egg-kog, but the best meal. And I got to, as a youngest one of the family, I got to pass out the presents and everything.

And it was just, I think the thing I loved as much as anything about the presence was the way that room, it just, she had things out that just glittered and it was just lit up. And like I say, it was like going into a palace. And I just remember that the most. And it wasn't even the presents, but then the meal was one of the best meals you ever had because she was a great cook. And it was so pretty. We ate on the Rio China and all that and the crystal glasses.

Nothing like that one's Christmas. But, I mean, I just will never forget it. It just was wonderful. One of my wonderful events. All great memories from that time. Yeah, I remember because a few times we went over at Christmas, and I remember the meals. and all that when I was a kid.

And it was just so lit up. And all I can remember, it was just shining in there, littering things. Well, that's good. I mean, that's the way you should have to remember. Zach, what about you? I don't think I've ever asked you about when y'all were going up, what Christmas was like in the Dasher household.

Well, we'd have a good time. We would have our Christmas, but usually we would drive to Louisiana to see you guys. Yep. For the second half of the, you know, you always get two weeks off. when you're in school. So the second week, we'd usually come to see you guys

and stay at Granny's house, which would mean that it would always be lots of fighting. I remember, I think I remember Jace getting in a fight with Amy or something. Somebody got in a fight with. That was Willie, I think. Oh, that was when we were going through the wrestling. That's why you shouldn't have watched all that wrestling. We were.

You were the parents. Yeah. You know what I mean? You could have censored that. We would all watch. know it's going to make y'all violent with each other we would all watch wrestling and then that which the greatest match ever must see was willie and my cousin amy i mean it was it was it was it was it was it was it was it was one of them deals where you you you anticipate you know santa coming and bringing all the

gifts. It's just a beautiful time of year. And then you had to Louisiana and just you're tortured for like six days. So it was like it was a weird kind of, you know, like a wonderful, beautiful thing that just turned into some kind of just weird. We were a little rough around the edges at that time. I think it was just a rough lifestyle that we lived on the riverbank. It was working hard. And you just, you just.

you just wrestled and fought. It was all just part of a daily... And Willie always got mad and ran away from home. He did. But I felt like y'all took pleasure in the suffering. Now, y'all liked you, you took pleasure, particularly you and Willie. It seems like y'all took pleasure in watching us suffer. Jeff, well, here's the thing about Jeff, though.

Like, he figured out a way to, like, he... Yeah, Jeff could, like, escape. He could evade all of this. I mean, Yves, all this, it was, it was crazy to watch him like, he had learned how to just get back in the back. He could not be seen. I mean, that was the thing. You just can't be seen. Once you get noticed, then you're a target.

And he had figured out. Well, Jason and Willie didn't get that. He just, yep, didn't have that pride about him. He just was like, if you ever confront him, he was just like, oh. He would just, there was no. Like, I would never relink. wish I would never tap out you'd have to kill me. So I had many near-death experiences.

I thought it was brilliant over that. But, yeah, I thought it was brilliant that way he did that. He got out of it. Oh, he did. The rest of us, the rest of us, it was, it was a painful time. You didn't have the game was played. Jep figured it out, which is kind of funny now, because even now, his personality, I guess it all shaped him as an adult.

He'll still, he's still a blender. He blends in, you know, he tries to, he doesn't just put himself out front. Of course, dad always claimed that by the time Jeff came along, the gene pool had gotten low. And so, you know. Yeah, that makes me mad every time I hear that. Just because he can be really sweet. He really can. Like he'll still sit on the, we'll watch a movie together and he'll hold my hand.

I can just see you and Jason if I grabbed your hand. You'd say, Kay, what's up? What's wrong? What do you need? I mean, he just sits and does. Does it politely? I have to say, watching Jay's watching all's new show, Jep is really good.

He's much more out there than he was on the old show. And he's funny. He has some good. It's weird how these shows, because, you know, we are who we are. And there's, believe it or not, there's no grand plan outside of the Lord. And we get out there, and it's like Jep's role in the show was kind of how I was in our Dukk show. we're like, because I'm like in charge of what we're going to do. I'm playing more like the role of Willie.

Right. And Jelp is just kind of sitting there making fun of me. Which was kind of your role on the other show. It's kind of weird. I mean, we didn't plan that. It just seems. But you know, I had it because I recently visited the set of your show. And one of the things I thought, and I watched the show too,

but one of the things I thought makes it work is because. all three of y'all, you really love what you're doing. I mean, like... This is fun. They have fun. They're getting there early to look for stuff and, you know, scout places and all this stuff. It's real. It's real.

And I think that's why. And so you were showing us some of the stuff y'all had found. And I mean, they're very passionate about it. And I think that's why, you know, it works as well as it does. And it's just, you know, it's funny and that's fun stuff too. But, you know, it's just part of it. So our Christmases, like early, I remember even before Dad was a Christian, or Mom and Dad were Christian, Christmas was still always special. The only time we went to the movie was Christmas Eve.

That's right. Which is kind of weird, no, to think about it. Well, because nobody ever does that, really. No, we have the theater to ourselves. I know. Nobody would ever be there. I loved it. We all paid no attention to worldly ratings of movies, which Kay would just have the old,

hand over the face. She put her hands over the ears. Don't listen to that. If you ever say that, I will whip you. It was so funny. But it was mostly Western. They didn't come out and rate everything like they do now. You just go and think that's a war movie.

That's a cowboy movie. That's a, you know. No, they did. Y'all are just choosing to not acknowledge it. It was funny. But maybe it's not a good idea to let your seven-year-old watch, Jason Friday the 13th. Y'all are big into Michael Myers.

No, we weren't always watched like Charles Bronson. I remember when I saw Death Wish for the first time. Death Wish was right long in there. Now that's a shot. Constantly, you know, K would have her hand. Like every time he was fixed to shoot somebody,

I'm like, I want to see this. It's funny. Maybe this is where all the violence came from when the dashers rolled in town. Maybe this was all because of, You guys have been watching Death Wish. No, I already explained that. Zach, it was wrestling, mid-south wrestling.

We were into that. Watch it. I was part of it. I mean, I was a huge fan. It was more than this wrestling. Nobody will believe this. But, hey, let me tell you. Danny watched it.

My grandma watched wrestling. Yeah. Well, it was good. I hated it. I always love coming to y'all's house, though, because you always had, Kay, you always bought the best groceries. So you had all the cereals. You had fruity pebbles,

did cocoa pebbles. You had fruit loops. I mean, like we didn't have that at our house. You know, so you guys had good food. The food was always good. I remember Phil would always bring in fresh fish or whatever the season was.

So the food was always good. That part was like a, the dashers came in town. This is we're going, we're going to load up on some food while we're here. Well, that's been, and that's been a stable.

And that tradition continues on, which is really good. Let's take a break. Well, and I think, you know, we got as we all started getting married and having kids, I think Christmas has really got a new kind of way special with, with y'all because we never had any money. So we never had,

I mean, you just never got a lot. And I never thought anything about it. It's just the way it was. But then y'all started making some money, mom. And then it was just like overkill. Like there would be, you'd walk in and the presents wouldn't hardly fit in the room. You remember those years? And mom would just, because it was like we never had anything, but now we've got a little bit of money. So we are going to do Christmas till, you know, like nobody's business. And so it would just be wrapping paper everywhere and people ripping into stuff. And that's what I remember like the later. Yeah, because you lost a $100 bill in that stuff.

I did, which you've never given money again since that year since we lost that money. It was after you. I'm giving y'all checks. I know. It's all checks now because we burned up $150 bill. Mom, I never forgot. So you changed it. to put it in your pocket.

Well, I mean, there was a lot going on. What can I say? Well, you know, if you think about it, on family structures, you look at you, you're the oldest, then Jace, then Willie, then Jep, but as the years progressed, you look up one day, that was 50 years ago. That's right. It was 50. Yep.

So you start there, and it's tight at first. that then once your children marry, and you have new people coming in to the family, and each one of them gets married and they have children, then their children begin to date, and they have children, and it's just spreading. And no matter what you do, it's not as close as it was when you started. And it can never be.

There's too many. So it's pretty amazing to watch how quickly that happens. You just look up, And 50 years later, you're like, whoa, you know, you went from little boys running around, you know, now they're 50. How old are you, Al? I'm 57. 57 years old. You just think about it how fast that occurred. Right. I mean, time is flying by, Al, you know it? But, you know, but even though, dad, we still, which is kind of great about our family, because, and obviously because we all still live here. But even though we all now have our own traditions with my family and Jay says his family,

And we still all get together as a big family. Oh, it's a hoard now. Oh, yeah. It's over 60. It's ever on the 25th, which is funny. No, that's right. The reason why is you got so many other family you have to take care of it. I mean, great-grandchildren, great-great-grandchildren.

I mean, you're like, I think we should do name tags. I'm like, who's that much, Kay? What are you talking about that? Jason's here. That was a Thanksgiving this year. Yeah, if you'd learn your kids, a grandkids name, that would be helpful. Yeah, I mean. Which one of you?

So many of them, they're growing fast. You don't see them for a year, and then all of a sudden. Okay, let me ask you trivia for Christmas. Christmas trivia from Miss Kay. What was my favorite song that was always playing on the radio when y'all came in? Oh, is it the Aaron Neville one? That's it. And I tried to play it, and guess what?

It wouldn't even play now. What is the Aaron? Neville. Horne out. Do you remember what song you sing you're singing on there? A little New Orleans, you know. Yeah, New Orleans. He's got that real high voice.

Black man, he's really a great singer. But it's real low, you know, it's real low. Yesterday she had on the record we made, the country and western record that went platinum. Yeah. Ms. Kay had it on yesterday. Case, you were singing and Missy was singing. Yeah, you don't remember the DC. Reed, Reed was singing.

Reed was great. Well, Phil said country music, well, he lost. He thinks y'all all sounded like country music. Well, we had some country singers on there with it. Yeah, George Strait. I was with George Strait, and to this day, I've never met the man, but I made a record with George Strait. We were both singing, and I said, who is that?

They said, George Strait. I said, George Strait, but they had pictures. I'm standing beside him. That's one of the favorite songs in the whole thing. It's a great song. And so they sent us a picture. Did you see the picture there's a cutout of you in the studio with George when he cut? We did it together, but I've never made them.

They recorded separately, yeah. But if somebody had told me, that record would have gone. It's okay. You sing your part. He sings his part. They slap it together. I think people realize that's basically what's happened. You know, Willie had a good one.

He sang on there. And then Missies was just beautiful. Like I say, Reed. Every time I hear Reed song, I cry. It's so pretty. But I thought, you know, and sigh coming in there as Mr. Grinch. Yeah, he did the Grinch. And it wasn't bad.

That'd be good for you, Phil, to do like a tour with George Strait. You come out during the Christmas time. But can you believe we made a country and western musical that went platinum? It was a Christmas album. I mean, do you realize how hard it is to do? It wasn't a country music. It was a Christmas album. just sound country because we're from the country. You can't get that out of it. I was listening to it

yesterday for the first time in years, but I just, it's a very good Christmas. And I was shocked. I said, I said, you know, that was pretty good. I've told the story how we, Missy and I did that song, which Missy disagrees, but with my memory of it. Oh, I love it. Shocker. I'm 100% sure that we got in the studio. You did. We sang. I sang it. We sang it in the studio. That's right. The producer said, can you do anything else, Jase?

And I thought, what does he mean by that? I said, well, I could just speak it and flirt with her instead of singing. He said, let's try that. And that's why you got that song. Yeah, so I was like, hey, baby, it's cold outside. So we did that. And then he said, we got it. So it was two takes, one I sang.

So about three notes, three or four, whatever you call them, stanzas, they either enhanced it where it got me on key or I actually was on key. The rest of it, I talked through it. And that was it. And then when I heard it, I thought, well, that was pretty good. Who knows in the editing, but most of the song, I'm talking. And she sang the whole time. So I go over to the guy who's putting it all together right out of Nashville, Tennessee.

Buddy Cannon. Yeah, he was actually. What's your name? Buddy Cannon. Yeah, I said, yeah, Mr. Cannon. I said, do you actually think this will sail? And he said, oh, we're to go big. I said, how do you know that?

He said, trust me. But he was a pretty famous producer. Very famous. He said, this is going ballistic. Yeah. I looked up and it went platinum. And I thought, well, that was nothing to that. I mean, I came out of there thinking it was pretty easy, but I don't know.

Y'all tell me. It took everybody doing it. Missy could sing. Jase wasn't bad. Willie's not bad. Willie was good. And I thought Reed was, I was shocked. He's just got a gift, you know.

He got the right genetics from. But Willie's way better singing than me. But now I can sing bass. Yeah, I can sing the church. This song, they picked the song. I didn't even know the song. I had the piece of paper. Maybe it's.

I was actually looking at the words up and I was like, I don't know if I should be singing this or not. We're talking about taking a time out to smoke a cigarette or something. Y'all changed a. Half a cigarette. Yeah, y'all did. I was like, what are we doing here? I can see a Jay's having a moral to let.

Are we promoting smoking with this stuff? Making platinum records. That's all you were doing. Hey, well, the good news was Willie and I took the risk of that. Good investment. We got the lion's show. Yeah, of the reward. Yeah, tell me about it.

They gave me about 20,000. The rest of them come out, just smitten like a rose. We paid all the talent, but Willie's like, we're taking the risk, and we went in 50-50. That was a pretty good venture that we did. That's one that paid off, dude. It did. It was good. That's what happened.

He just got it. Him and Willie both. Sometimes you got it when you got it. They're actually thinking about re-releasing that next year. Well, they should. They should have done. Yeah, you should. It was excellent.

They is us. Well. It would tell. This is me. I'm they. They should means. Jason's pronoun is they. But since you own it.

Yeah. Do you want to get in on this type going around? Put me on that thing. I'm going to say, where's the Getus? Get that Getus out. I ain't walking in there anymore like that. Of course, I was shocked that it went platinum. I didn't even.

You think they could give them away. You ought to be happy. Your kids got the money. I think we offered a piece to all of y'all if y'all wanted to get in, but y'all said it wouldn't work. So guess what? It did. And you went to the bank. And he went to the bank.

That's why he's the man. Let's take another break. Are we going to make some spiritual... Yes. Let's make that shift, as we've told enough old Christmas stories. So I will say this, that all the stuff we've been talking about. fun stuff and for Zach and not so fun obviously the big change for our family came once you dad and mom y'all understood what christmas is really all about it's not about the gifts and the food and all

that is as much fun as all that is but it really is about about christ and not only that it's it's about God becoming flesh. And, you know, I don't know, we grew up in a heritage of folks that didn't want to celebrate Christmas because it's like, well, how do we know exactly when Jesus came? But looking back on that, I think that's kind of ridiculous because as long as we're, like Jay said, I'm for having a major holiday for every aspect of what Jesus did for us. He is remembered we're alive. That's right.

That's hard to do. That's hard to do. the New Year's resolutions would work if you based Christmas on the real meaning of Christmas, which was Jesus, which should be your basis for all decisions. But I just want to say this. If you applied Christmas, if you applied Christmas to Philippians 2, because look, nobody uses Philippians 2 as their basis for Christmas. They read the story of the baby of Jesus or what are some other famous passages. You said, what do you mean by Flippians 2?

So just look, if you took Christmas every year and said, let's base what happens on Christmas based on Philippians 2 and verse 3. And I read it, do nothing out of selfish ambition or vain conceit, but in humility, consider others better than yourselves. I don't think that's really happening in Christmas much. If you just look at the typical, you get a tree, you buy a bunch of gifts, you tell people what you want, now you have a good meal, and that's it. But a lot of that is vanity and selfish ambition, right? Because you're basing on how good Christmas went on what you got. And I probably went through that for a few years.

when I was immature and stupid. I was like, well, it wasn't much of a Christmas this year. And they're like, why? I said, why didn't get much? When I was nine years old, you don't know this. At the Baptist Church, out of Baptist Church I went to, they asked, you know, how they bring up, you bring up a kid to read a scripture. And I got up and read a long part of, you know,

Jesus and, you know, the whole thing of the manger and everything. I had to stand on a stool, and I read that to the church. And I feel can tell you I'm not the best student in the world. But I never forget that. You know what I mean? I mean, that will just never go out of my mind that he asked me to do that, and I stood up on that stool and did it, you know. And I feel so sorry for people who don't experience,

which I was at a banquet the other night. we gave to some, it was about 10 different women that have been through the sex drafting and, you know, damaged and it was terrible. We're trying to make something to build them up and tell them how much God loves them, how much we love them. And it was not their fault. You know, they just got up in something that was really bad. And, but we did a whole celebration. it was really for God what he can do with them now and how much, you know, he loves them and all. And it was really meaningful. I think that is a good, unselfish.

I mean, I didn't know it was dress up. So I came looking like y'all. And they were dressed up in sequins, just shining, just everything. I said, oh, my goodness, I missed a memo on what we were supposed to wear. I had on a Santa Claus shirt, but. And you were a speaker, right? Didn't you speak? Yeah, in tennis shoes.

Thank you. Yeah, there you go. I know. But you know what, Mom, when people know who you are and you're famous and you're the speaker, do that matter? Yeah, all the girls said, I want to hug Ms. Kay. I want to hug Ms. Kay. But that's to Jason's point is that's really what Christmas should be about.

Well, it should. And I was going to go on to read that, you know, when Paul wrote in verse 5, your attitude should be the same as that of Christ. Jesus. And then, you know, most scholars think this is, you know, some kind of poem or some kind of writing. Yeah, a song that they were writing, which does go at the heart of the incarnation, which is God dwelling among us and becoming human. It says, who being in very nature God did not consider equality with God something to be grasped, but made himself nothing, taking the very nature of a servant being made in human likeness and being found in a person. and the man, he humbled himself and became obedient to death, even death on a cross.

Therefore, God exalt him to the highest place and gave him the name that is above every name, that at the name of Jesus, every knee should bow in heaven and earth and under the earth, and every tongue confessed that Jesus Christ is Lord to the glory of God, the Father. But the point I'm making is obvious. He starts talking about being unselfish and looking to other people's interests and our attitude being like Jesus, and then he uses this as the example of that. So when you think about human beings, our problem is we're doing the exact opposite of what he did. You think about who being in very nature of God, well, we're humans, and we're humans.

And, I mean, we're the opposite of this song. He didn't consider equality with God something to be grasped, but we do want to grasp it. We want to be our own gods. He made himself nothing. Well, we want to be, we want to be something. We don't want to make ourselves nothing. We want to be somebody. And he took the very nature of a servant being made in human lightness

and being found in appearance of men. He humbled himself and became obedient to death, even death on a cross. Well, we try to avoid those moments at all cost. So therefore, God exalted him, and what happens to us, since we do the opposite of what he did, we all fall. And when we fall, we're wondering where it all went wrong. And so I think it's a good analogy to, really, when you look at what Jesus becoming a baby,

a human, when you look at how that should apply to your life being a human, it really should affect you and how you view your existence and what you're doing. Yeah. That's good. Yeah, I think when you think about Christmas season, another term for that is the advent, people call it the advent, which means arrival. It's the arrival of God and flesh in that Philippians two passages you read is pretty significant in a lot of different areas. But I think you hit on probably the most significant portion of that is our view of power and our view of control and all of these things is it's always like inward focus. And then you see in that passage, Christ, let me think about what he said, Christ,

who being in very nature God did not consider equality with God, something to be grasped, but made himself nothing. But I think even in like marriages and stuff, it's hard for us to see that because there's always like this power struggle. Well, we're trying to consume and we're trying to position ourselves in a superior position. And what we see in Philippians too, and what Christmas represents is that God does the complete opposite. You know, he is in heaven, unapproachable, so far above us, so sovereign, so glorious, and we're not. And then, yeah, he comes, he comes to us. The current culture has made Christmas nothing more than a money-making exercise, Jack.

You agree? Yeah, they have. It's funny, we turn Christmas into a thing to consume. It's a consumer's holiday when really the real definition of Christmas is the opposite. of consumption. It's the God poured out. That is correct. Let's take a break. I think that that's exactly why in the divine plan, which we know from the Bible, was all thought through before he even created the universe and the earth, that he would come here and come as a human child. I mean, you just think about just the humble nature of that. So that meant that the creator of the universe

was inside Mary and then was totally dependent. I think about that little troop that was there. This had been predicted. Isaiah talked about this in Isaiah 7. So all of the Jewish leadership should have known, should have been looking for the signs of the Messiah because it had all been predicted. Before the beginning of time.

They missed it. And so look at the people that were theirs. Yeah, Mary and Joseph, who just this young couple who were betrothed, they didn't even have their setup yet. I mean, the betrothal process that they were in, he's supposed to build a house. You know, it's a period of time. Well, they didn't get that benefit because she's pregnant by God.

And so here you got this young couple who's really preparing for their life, but all of a sudden, it's go time. Then you've got these guys that were way off somewhere that did see the signs in the celestial, you know, all the star and all that. Yeah. They figured it out and came and brought some guests. then you had a bunch of shepherds that just happened to be out in the field that were nearby. You just think about that.

And then some angels showed up, but nobody, none of the hierarchy, none of the leadership. Biggest event in the history of the world is fairly not recognizable. So I think it's interesting that God chose that to be his human entrance into the world that would ultimately lead to our salvation. It's one wild story. It's pretty fascinating when you think about it. And what did he have? on the earth, nothing. Nothing. No material possessions. He humbled himself. He was persecuted. You know, God was working in him through the Holy Spirit. I mean, there's a reason he didn't do any miracles

or whatever before he was, he surrendered. Do you think he became nothing? But then he even surrendered himself, you know, to be baptized. He gets the Holy Spirit. And then he just basically lives a life of sacrifice and ultimately sacrifices himself. That's why I picked that flippins too. It's like if you want to go up, you've got to go down. If you want to really be like, you know, Christ, you got a sacrifice. You can't be worried about the material. I mean, look at what he didn't have anything.

But it's like, so I look at when we celebrate Christmas, I'm like, man, we're way off here. That's right. Way off. So it is a struggle. I do think we should look for ways to. acknowledge Philippians too with some of the more famous passages that we usually read because that was his whole point was being unselfish and looking at the interest of others which is really what Christ is about his whole life was about that which is why he was ultimately glorified and raised up

and but you know he referenced several subtleties to that one verse that people really don't understand what he means because it's so uh enlightening to us us, but in, you know, in John 14, 12, when he says, I tell you the truth, anyone who has faith in me will do what I've been doing, which is clearly important to when we're looking at Philippians, too, because that was the whole point is you look, your attitude should be that of Christ Jesus. But then he says, he will do even greater things than these because I am going to the father. People are like, what in the world? how in the world could we do greater things than Jesus himself was doing which you know that was leading to him promising the holy spirit which is we now have Jesus representing us through the ascension which should be a holiday you know at the right hand of God he poured out the same spirit that he was operating on earth and he's like but the one problem is is your attitude should be that as of

Christ Jesus who went down to go up, you know, who humbled himself. There's where the problem is. We don't want to take that life of faith and sacrifice. And I think that I don't know this, but I'm assuming that because the wise men brought the gifts, you know, and by the way, this is three gifts. We always say three wise men. We're not sure how many wise men there were, but there were three gifts that were given to them.

But when I look at it practically, I'm thinking. that was God's way of having a little bit of provision because Joseph and Mary were going to have to raise this kid. They had nothing. They were out back, remember, no room. They're in a manger. But they're going to have to go on the run because Herod's going to try to kill all the babies because he's heard all this and he's like trying to get rid of Jesus before we ever get started. So how would they have the provision to do that? Well, God would set it up or these people would see it and understand it and come over and bring, because they brought it. They brought gold. They brought very expensive incense things from the time. Well, that was, that's how Joseph and Mary made it. So that the idea of the gifts, I guess we do now, which we overdo it like crazy, like you were saying. In the initial story, I think that was God's provision to take care of the little baby until he got old enough, you know.

Well, I think about Willie said the other day, he said, I'm so glad that I was born and raised like I was. And I said, do you mean? poor and kind of, you know, all that. And he said, yeah, yeah. He said, I'm glad for that. I'm glad we had that. Because we wouldn't appreciate now what we have had we not as boys, you know, because he said, I knew when I, you know, we all had the free lunch card. And when then we got a little doing a little better, so we got half our lunch paid free and half not.

He said, and then reduced. Thank you, Jay. and then we didn't have a cart at all because we were able to buy our own lunches. I mean, I realized we must have some money. Yeah, well, it tells how he knew the family was getting better by the lunch situation. Well, I think there's a reason Jesus, though, wasn't born in a palace. You know, he was born in a manger. I'm sure it was stunk of, you know.

Animals. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, I mean, you just think the, what, the creator of the universe? and it came in that beginning, because that's what that Philippians is referring to. He humbled himself, but he also made himself nothing. I mean, he started as basic as you can start.

Right. It's about the wildest story I've ever read. Well, but there's truth in it. You realize that if you go out and try to be somebody and try to do it yourself, and you're going to end up a failure. You're not going to pull off things that matter. by your achievements or accolades or academia or whatever you want to insert in there.

It's just not going to happen. So it's interesting. Let's take our last break. So Jason, I was thinking you'd mention that the shadow, kind of the foreshadow, and we'd studied the book of Hebrews. Remember everything was from the Old Testament was kind of showing, you know, what the new covenant was going to be like. And when you look at the story of Moses and you see the similarities, I mean, there was all

purpose in that, right? So Moses was born, remember, and at the time he was born, the king at that time in Pharaoh, because they're, you know, basically enslaved there, decides that they're going to kill all the boys because there's too many Israelites, you know. So Moses is put in the river and to wind up in Pharaoh's house, remember. So he saved, like Jesus was saved as a baby, he had the same scenario. But the difference is Moses did grow up in the palace. He did spend 40 years there.

And so when the moment came that he thought it was time for him to lead and he made his move, he's strong, he's smart, he's learned in the house of Pharaoh, complete failure. I mean, nobody wanted to follow it. So then what does he do? He goes, God sends him down to the desert. You know, he goes down to this desert and spends 40 years with a bunch of sheep. And then God comes back and says, okay, now you're ready. 80 years old.

your strength is gone. It's not about you. You can't even talk very well. And he's like, now you're ready to leave my people. So it's interesting because it's almost like it's a, this picture of what you see in Christ. But Moses had to be humble because he was a man. Whereas Jesus was God in flesh and had that humility from the very beginning.

But I found that fascinating when you were saying that just about how people try to do it on their own and how it fails. You can't. I mean, that's where you. line that's where you wind up in failure when somehow you think you've got what it takes you know for your salvation or for anything else for that matter that's one of the most famous i always told them this other night the two commandments i heard it from phil love god with all your heart mind and soul and love one another and that's what i told those girls of the night because that's the two greatest things yeah it is and if you live that you live that

that way. That's what you see, right? Right. Well, that's what the Bible tells you, but I love it because he reinforces it every week when he speaks, you know, in his class. And I mean, I think people get it. They won't forget that. It's just not about you. Yeah. Remember that one of my favorite books said, it's not about you, the first line of the book. It's good. Yeah, that was a purpose-driven life. Thank you. It's a. Which is one of the greatest, yeah, it's one of the greatest openings of any book. But I was thinking, going back to Christmas and just the arrival. I was thinking about like this past year, everything we've talked about, particularly with we went through, that we get

to Matthew and Mark, I think we did Matthew a couple years ago, then Mark this year. And we just kept talking about the kingdom of God coming and the presence of God coming. And when you were mentioned of Moses, I was thinking, I was looking for a text in Exodus 33, but this one popped up too. This is in Exodus 25, verse 8. He says, Let them construct a sanctuary for me. This is God speaking,

that I may dwell among them. You think about, we've said this over and over again, about the history of the Old Testament being God's presence, and he wanted to dwell among the people. So they built the tabernacle, and eventually they built the temple, which we went through the whole thing of Mark,

and the temple came down in 80-70. But when Jesus came, he brought his presence. That's the presence of God that dwelt among men. And that's what I think the Moses was asking for. And Exodus 33, when he intercedes, he says, I can't go unless you're with me. And he said, my presence, this is God speaking, shall go with you. And I will give you rest.

Then he said to him, if your presence does not go with us, Do not lead us up from here. For how can it be known that I have found favor in your sight? I and your people. Is it not by your going with us so that we and your people may be distinguished from all the other people who are upon the face of the earth? And that was a temporary one-time event. But what Christ's arrival in when we celebrate Christmas, what it brings is it's the presence of God. Emmanuel,

God with us. God now dwells with us. And when Jesus came, he came and walked on the earth for 33 years. He walked with people, his creation. And then in John 14 through John 17, he promises the coming of the Holy Spirit,

who will now live in us. So we now, because of the arrival of Christ, Jew or Gentile, yeah, we now all can carry the presence of God around in us wherever we go. No, that's powerful. You're exactly right. And when you see, I mean, I think that's why in God's

infinite wisdom, he chose to do it the way he did it with him being born a baby and then growing up, you know, as we would, that he's showing to be the perfect sacrifice he had to be like us. And he had to get us. And you think about the only thing. A man-made temple has been wiped away and replaced with human beings with God in them. Right. And he was the first one, right? That's a wild story. Yeah, but also by living the life he did,

he understood what it meant to be lonely and having no answer to prayer. To be betrayed. To be suffered. You know, he suffered. He experienced our shame by his death, you know, taking our sin. Because a lot of people, they always say, I mean, there's two things that come up.

There's like, well, how can he relate to us? Because he never sin. But he relates to us because he took the consequences of our, he was in our place. He understands that change. That's why he was saying, is there another way to do this? I mean, who would want to experience the consequences and guilt what we deserve? And the other thing that people have a problem with is they're like, so let me get this right. Somebody can sin thousands of times and be the most heinous.

center in the world and be introduced to Jesus and surrender. You know, to be exhausted, they can give up and surrender to Jesus. And they can be just as saved as a guy who was a pretty moral person. And, you know, the world really has a problem with that because it doesn't seem fair. But that's what he accomplished you and Gentile for all people. The grace is made available to everyone. and even though it doesn't seem fair to us, it really shows you how much bigger God is.

That's why he would tell those stories and parables and people are like, do what now? You can be forgiven and we're all on the same page because then when you turn that around and see what that means to you, it's not based on your accolades or performance. We're all on the same level feel, which is what God's grace really does.

And that's why Hebrews 2 said that he was tempted, so he would understand what temptation is. So when you saw the devil tempted him, because most people say, oh, no, that's not the same as us because, you know, he wasn't going to do it. But it was like, no, he was in a position physically drained, he had 40-day fast. I mean, he was in a position he could have succumbed

and went with Satan's plan, but he didn't. And that's what made him do. That's also while we have suffering. That's why he said that was so much harder for a rich person to do that. Because look at what he's got to give up. He's got to get on the same level playing field with just some homeless guy on the street who's in Jesus. Nobody wants to do that. They're like, look how hard I've worked.

Look what I've earned. Because it's then about then. That's why I think Philippians too is so important. You want to be great. You've got to become nothing. I like this verse, Chase. Hebrews 12, too, which is to your point about the shame, let us fix our eyes on Jesus, the author and perfector of our faith,

who for the joy set before him endured the cross, scorning its shame. And so that, he did experience shame. It's really the whole key to Christmas being real to you and being, you know, Jesus changing your life is at some point, you can say Jesus died for the sins of the world and it's correct. And that's true. But if you want it to change your life, you've got to say, you know, he died for me, my sin. And go back to the decisions you made.

And all of a sudden, you're like, he did this all, you know, for me. So that I could have his future, which, what is his future? He took a body and a soul and got it raised to no longer die. Well, that's appealing to me. Because if that's part of my future plan, then we need to focus on Jesus and relinquish ourselves in the process, which is really should be the meaning of Christmas because it was the meaning of Christ. That's exactly right.

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