Unashamed with the Robertson Family - Ep 607 | Phil & Jase Can't Believe Willie Hoodwinked Them AGAIN & The Best Public Bathroom Strategy?

Episode Date: January 2, 2023

Jase and Phil have a few choice words for Willie. Zach can't wait for people to see the updated Phil & Miss Kay section of the Duck Commander tour! Jase and Al continue the conversation from the last "Overtime" episode about all manner of public bathroom etiquette rules, and Zach admits he's never experienced what Jase did ... thankfully. What is YOUR public bathroom strategy, especially if your stomach is a bit upset? Plus, the guys dive into the Last Supper. "The Blind" hits theaters this fall. Get updates, trailers, behind-the-scenes moments, and special opportunities here: https://theblindmovie.com - Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

I am unashamed. What about you? Welcome back to Unashamed. Happy New Year, everyone. Y'all look like a couple of drowned rats when I got here. This is going to, look, I'm just going to tell you. There's some days I'm really glad I wouldn't. This podcast is probably going to be earth-shattering.

It's going to be fantastic because some of the greatest things that, come in life happen after a period of suffering and misery. And that sums up this morning's duck hunt. It was, it wasn't, it wasn't as cold as you think. It was 38 degrees, but it was pouring now rain. And there's just something about being windy and getting wet. We hadn't hunted this place since the first split, two and a half weeks. So we were thinking, well, we're going to get them.

This is our rainy day hole. We hunt it one time in the first split when it rained and we hammered them. So we get out there. We had two guests who had contributed a large amount of money to the Tim Tebow Foundation. And we're grateful because they do great work. They do. And we've all supported their ministry for years. So we took them as a man and his son.

And I think they left away, left thinking, wow. you've got to love this. So we shot three ducks. I just say, praise the Lord, they loved the Tebow Foundation, because if they were just doing it for the hunt, that would have been a lot of money for nothing. Yeah, if we would have gone money paid per duck, that would have been the most expensive ducks shot in the history of the world.

Yeah. Well, she added on top of that, what was the term he used? I can't remember it right now. Oh, he got out of it. of the rig, we're fixing to go duck on, and he said, you're a legend. Now, I looked around a little bit. I was thinking to myself, after this hunt, he may change his mind. He may put the Eastwood line. He's a legend. He's a legend. He's given some bad information. No, you are a legend, dad. He was right about that. And by the way, that's what they were, they were donating to a great cause,

but they were paying for an experience, which they got. They'll be telling people about that trip, whether they killed. He said. We actually didn't come out in. empty-handed. Right. We shot three in the first 60 seconds of the hunt. Which looked like this is visible. They never even saw what we shot our guests. I just heard boom, boom, boom, whoa.

They'll never saw, because they just came in and lit in the decoys. Jason and them didn't look down the way, said, are you already? They got them sitting in the decoors. No, they lit, they died right there. And at this point, you're thinking, we're going to have a good hunt. I thought there's going to be some more. Let me tell you. And I was wet.

because I was driving the boat, and I thought I had zipped up my slicker, but the wind was blowing in our face, you know, and I'm trying to look at where we're going so we don't have a wreck, and you could barely see because it's hard to, you know, the rain is just pummeling. And so I got wet. Then we had to brush the blind. You never want to brush a duck blind in the pouring our rain, because you will get soaking wet no matter what,

because everything's wet and you're moving. and pushing and stabbing branches into the ground. So it was miserable. So when I pulled up and saw y'all this morning, my thought was, I know now why our little brother, Willie, is running the company

because he was the smartest person in this whole operation because he went to the Tebow Foundation, auctioned off a hunt with y'all, and he was landing on a nice, warm bed this morning. I wasn't going to go down that road. I did, for the record. I said, hey.

I'm just tipping my hat to him because he looks pretty smart. Next time you want to give away a hunt, you make sure that when you give that away, that that's with you. Anybody can do that. Hey, we're going to give a hunt with Phil and Jace without their knowledge. That's right. They didn't. But he knew because he's smart.

He's slick. That's why he runs our operation. Jason Tebow are friends. He loves what they do. he won't be happy about it that I didn't ask him, but they'll do it. So we did. But I did draw the line in the sand and say, hey, if I want to give away a hunt, I'll be in charge of that. So we did, we had a little event last night, Duck Commander, Honoring.

We talked about a past podcast that this was kind of our 50th year. And they put together a video, which was nice, kind of interviews with all of us. and they gave dad a shotgun, kind of some kind of custom-made banally with their logo on it, which is really cool. They gave mom a gold duck. I think it was a gold plated. Is that what it was?

Oh, yeah. Well, I like this mom, when mom goes up to get it, they're handed it to her. Mom says, is it real? Yeah. It's like when I find these old buttons, when I'm treasure hunting,

and I was like, I found a gold button, And then people are, oh, what's that worse? And it's like, well, it's gold gilded, which means they just, it's like dust. If you gathered it at all, it wouldn't even be, you know, a tenth of an ounce. Right, right. So, you know, you might get 50 bucks for it. Yeah.

But it was pretty cool. So they honored both the past, dad and mom for the beginning and then also the present. So it's good. We talked about it before, but it was a good event. Yeah, 50 years is a long time. So it was, you know, they've got a museum there now, and I guess they've had it for how long? Probably about six or seven years. You want to hear something funny?

You'd never seen it? That was the first time I had ever walked through it. Me too. I was like, that did one time. Wow. This is, this is. I didn't go through the whole thing or something. Maybe not.

Well, what they've done is, and Zach, you can appreciate this. they took a lot of stuff from the movie set that they did at mom and dad's movie. Yeah. Where can they find out about that movie? Is that? Where did they go? There's a website called theblindmovie.com. Okay.

And you guys can go there. Put your email in. Put your email on there and we'll keep you updated. By the way, I do want to tell you, I did see the last cut. It's looking amazing. I think it's going to be very, very good. So I'm fired up to show you guys. So, Zach, when they redid the tour, all the early years of Dad and Sine, the siblings,

and then the early stuff with Mom and Dad, they took a lot of those things that I guess y'all found for the movie, and they're in the museum now in the tour. And it really took it up and I. I mean, it's very impressive. Oh, I was impressed, and I'm not easily impressed. Yeah, Dad was looking at it. It was, yeah, the girl, we hired, Willie and Corey hired two of the art, art director. and then another person,

art department who oversaw all the set and the movie to come in and build that out when we did the reshoot there. So, yeah, those guys were, it was actually pretty amazing watching them work. Like you sit around, I mean, they know, they can look at something and be like,

oh, that's true vintage. That's from 1972. And they didn't make the, and they'll give you the history of all that. So everything was like, period. And a lot of the stuff looked exactly.

like it would have looked back then. So, yeah, I think they were able to really capture it. But the museum itself is pretty amazing. Even before that, it was pretty amazing. Yeah, it tells the story. I mean, it shows the evolution of the whole of dad, you know, as a kid. And then, you know, obviously mom coming to the picture and then the spiritual change, then the company, the show.

I mean, I just thought it's really well done. The number one thing. It's worth it if you come to Westboro to do the tour. I'm just telling you. The number one thing in the videos. that they ran because nobody knew what the other person was going to say. We all did just autonomous interviews. Which I thought the brothers thing came together.

Did you notice that everyone basically gave credit to the Lord for building the company for the show's success and the platform? That is the truth of the matter. So I was impressed with that. Was that you missed last podcast. You left early, which was such a show. shock. And you let the paywall, so if you're new to this podcast, the last 15 minutes is what they call behind a paywall, but I've never seen that wall.

I think it's an invisible wall in the virtual realm. So I'm not even, I don't feel comfortable using that term. So that's like our southern border, Jay's a invisible wall. So for those, you know, 32 people who were behind that wall, no, I don't know. It might have been $3,200. Might have been $32,000. Hilarity ensued. Get behind that wall.

And I want to just to tell you one snippet of that, which I'm encouraging you to, you know, whatever it is to be behind the paywall, you know, $2 or. It's not a lot. Yeah, whatever it is. I made a public declaration that I thought everyone was familiar with and chaos ensued. Because I said when you're at an airport, which I. I am all the time frequently, and I said, I just was wanting to see your take on this, when someone walks into the public restroom, because you know, it's always crowded at airports, right?

Yeah. When they walk in and say, sorry, guys, you hear it. I've heard it several times, not just one. When they say, sorry guys, that means two things. This guy has a stomach virus or intestinal discomfort to the point of, he wants to break the tension and let you know that what the sounds you're fixing to hear and the smell you smell is of such ginormous proportions that you have 10 seconds to finish what you're doing and get out of there and I was saying wait the entire overtime was this discussion and so I was like

and Phil and Al looked at me like they had never they had that happen which Phil's exactly that response was that's why I don't go to airports. I go to the woods. And find a big oak tree. Yeah, it sounds like there's a lot of meaningful content going on behind the paywall. Oh, my goodness. I will say this. I haven't laughed that hard since we had the whole meat-loaf conversation. I've never experienced that, Jay, so I'll be honest with you. I've never, like, you said it like every time. Like, that's, this is a common. No, I said I've said, well, the first time that I saw it happen, I didn't move.

and then when I hear this sound, and it sounded like we need to call 911, I realized he did that for us to lead. He apologized, and now he doesn't feel guilty for what's coming out of that stall, because he tried to say, I'm sorry, guys. There are some instances where you've got to go, you got to go out. And so the second time I heard it was after I took his lead, I was having discomfort, and I did it. I walked in, I said, sorry guys.

And I never heard of a pronouncement. Well, I did hear a story about your wife that she had an issue. She had the same issue. That's what led to the conversation is she, you know, because I once said the most embarrassing thing that can ever happen to a human being is to have some kind of diarrhea and try to be quite. quiet in a public place. Oh, it's just the ultimate embarrassment.

Yeah, yeah. So that's where the apology came from because people are giving you a chance. I get it in the TSA line, but like the restroom, you don't have to pronounce. I pretty much know this is a place. You just go in there and do it. Yeah, I don't understand the apology. Well, I think it's the moral. You're saying it's a courtesy to leave.

It's a courtesy to leave and it makes them not feel bad because they're not going to be able to do it quietly. So they're saying it's a human, you know, it's a human social courtesy. Yeah. I think we should all do. It's not a norm, something abnormal is fixed to happen to me in this, in this restroom. And it is beyond one's control. It's beyond my control. And that's why they're like, because they're giving you a play by play, just in agony and pain and sound. So I'm like, well, I should have listened to him. And. taking that opportunity to leave. What are you saying, Zach?

You had a comment. I was just, I hate public restrooms, period. I mean, I try to avoid them at all costs. Unless you have the stomach virus. Unless you have to. You have one option. But if you're on, but I will tell you this, if you're on the road, this is a little advice here for me.

Yeah, this is a good tip here. Because I've spent 15 years as a sales account manager for a biotech company. A lot of time on the road. A lot of restaurants. A lot of driving. A lot of restrooms. I mean, you're out on the road, six hours and seven hours, eight hours, whatever. You got to go where you got to go.

But here's the deal. Never use the convenience stores. That's like the first, like that's the last place you go. And then the next place above that that you want to avoid, but not as bad, is the restaurants. Yeah, fast food. McDonald's, if you have to go to one, I would recommend chick fillet if you like i have to i have to use a restaurant the best place to go is you find that like a holiday inn express or when this hotel you know like the marriots or the hilton any of those kind

of hotels if you go into the lobby you go right past the front desk and usually it's right you take the on the first left hallway and you look it'll be right there on your left you got you got to look act like you you belong don't be looking around you got to act like yeah i'm just You may be in these modern times, you're probably making too much out of it because just think of a world where there were no commodes. There was no fresh water coming in and you walk into an enclosure, whatever, bowel troubles or not. But there were no, so you tell me what was the human race doing? How were they dealing with that? because I'm sure with the lack of medical care,

there's a lot of... A lot of them were dying and living to be 35. That's why we're talking about washing. And I'm saying they don't have a commode or a little lavatory to wash your hands and no bar of soap sitting there. I mean, you just think about it. You say... Well, that's why Mary was anointing...

At least they're announcing it because they have the equipment to curtail it, a commode. You keep it confined in a small area. which can be flushed, but you take a world when that didn't exist, I don't know how we got into this conversation. Well, I'm not exactly. Hang on.

I'm defending the people because before the commodes and the lavatories and the soap and the water and the warm or the hot, warm, hot or cold, I mean, this thing could get rude. I love it. That I can take the most benign thing and turn it into the best sermon. Let's take a break.

My point was, though, when we talked about Mary, anointing Jesus' feet with perfume, well, it's because in that culture, they stank. I mean, that's just... So that's how you got, that was the avenue into the conversation behind me.

It wouldn't be a word. Well, I didn't know what the... Stank's not a word, but I mean, we get your point. No, Jesus is a word. We never said they skunk. No, let me look. Jay's is going back to the Grinch now.

Stink, Stank Stunk. I think it's stank. He stank. I'm going to look it up. Stanky. I mean, it may be a slang word, but it's not a legitimate word. Have a strong, unpleasant smell. Stank.

Well, they made it aware of it. It's the past hints of stink. Yeah. I thought stunk. What is stunk? That's what I was saying. Well, I think old Jace has elevated himself. I have corrected two of the smartest men I know about

vocabulary stunk having a strong strong so both are past participle is stunk uh okay stank is past tense so I think I did that right you did I think I think you did okay no apologies needed but now if you're fixed to go into a bathroom in a public place you do need to pre-announce the apology yeah that's a point so where we're And pick the hotel, because also I meant to say this, the hotel has a... That's actually an excellent idea is that. I've never thought of.

Oh, it is. Because you're not sharing it with other people either. No, because you can lock it. It's a one-haw. Before all of the commodes and the running water and all that, people got used to living around others that had these ailments or whatever. And you think about it, so little medicine. There were no medicine. There was no way to combat it.

So I don't know. I think they just live with it. But I've been told, and I don't know this to be true. Some could have maybe battled out warning, but it was pretty rough just to begin with. I haven't. You had somebody's house, and an attack hit you, you know, and it's in a city dwelling. Well, you run outside. Well, that's what I'm saying.

Where do you go? Back then you just saw people running over the hills. Yeah. You said, what's he doing? Practicing for a marathon. Or is something chasing us? So I've heard this before. It may or may not be true because I haven't visited there.

In some countries like India, some countries with large population places, it's still a problem. Because you've got a lot of poverty. So you've got people just stuff going right in the river that goes downstream and everybody downstream is having to deal with what's upstream. So it's probably still a problem. So we left off after, which does apply to this culture. I mean, this was there, that's why I said, even though Mark 14, 12 through 25 doesn't bring up about Jesus washing the disciples' feet, that did happen in this section if you read the other. The John account.

Yeah. So what are the parallel past? So you got Matthew 26, 17 through 30, Luke 22, 7 through 23. And those are very similar to the Mark Pass. You have John 13. John 13, really the whole chapter. One through 38. And John gives a lot more depth in his, which we studied John a long time ago on the podcast,

but he gives the foot washing. He goes more into the denial, Peter's denial, and the others just mentioned it. So that was some of the main difference. So we had just covered about Mary having this beautiful, you know, Jesus called what she did, breaking the jar and pouring the perfume, you know, on his head and wiping his feet. and wiping his feet with her tears and hair as beautiful. And he said, you know, she's realized that I'm going to be buried, which is a preview to, you know, his death for the sins of the world.

So she was getting, he said, you know, leave her alone. Now, right after that, it says she's beautiful. Let's see. Where does it say that? One of them says that she's done a beautiful thing. Yeah, that's verse six of place. 14. So meanwhile, in verse 10, you have Judas Ascariot, one of the 12, went to the chief priest to betray Jesus. They were delighted to hear this and promised to give him money.

So he watched for an opportunity to hand him over. Which the link there was that we know Judas was the main one complaining about this act she did. And so it's almost like it seems like it pushed him over the edge to finally do what obviously he had been thinking about doing, which was go and betray Jesus. So I do think with that going on in the backdrop, it's an unusual situation, these first couple of verses, because, you know, in verse 12, if you pick up where we're at on the first day of the feast of unleavened bread, when it was customary to sacrifice the Passover lamb, Jesus' disciples asked him, where do you want us to go and make preparations for you to eat

the Passover? over. So he sent two of his disciples telling them, going to the city, and a man carrying a jar of water will meet you. I laughed out loud when I read this one when I was prepping for this. And I like this next statement, follow him. I thought to myself, you know, it's like that Indiana Jones movie. Remember the first one where she jumps in the basket? And then he turns the corner to see her. And there's like seven. 75 people with baskets on their shoulder. I thought how many people were carrying a jar of water? It's just, it seems so redneckish, and I can say that because I am one, you know,

to like, now you go up the hill over here. You're going to see a guy, you know, carrying a jar of water. It was so interesting to read what all the scholars say here, because some tend to think that God was using, you know, Jesus as under the power of the Holy Spirit was using a miraculous moment to predict that. And others are like, well, no, this is near Bethany, you know, and he probably seen that guy. They would know people. Walking all the time with a jar on his head, you know.

He's like, go find a guy with a jar on his head. You know that guy. So either one I'm fine with. So verse 14 says, say to the owner of the house he enters, the teacher asks, where is my guest room where I may eat the Passover with my disciples? because a lot of people say he was going, since he knew these threats were around his life, that he went to an obscure place off the cuff because it wasn't quite time for this all to. I think that's actually. I kind of like the notion that Jesus had his people.

Like, you know what I'm saying? Like he knew there were people like, people wouldn't even notice this guy, but it was like Jesus knew he's one of my guys. Well, it's like the guy with the donkey. You don't go. You'll find a donkey tied up, tell him the Lord needs it. Okay. I love that. So verse 15, he will show you a large upper room, furnished and ready, make preparations

for us there. So all right. The disciples left. They went to city, found just a guy with jarhead. And so they prepared the Passover. And I'll let you explain that when we finish reading. So when evening came, Jesus arrived at the 12 while they were reclining at the table, he said, I tell you the truth.

One of you will betray me, one who is evil. with me. So that's why I read that about Judas. So now he's already made his deal. And now he hasn't, he's just set the plan in motion. And now Jesus is calling him out on it, which I think, in my opinion, probably to give him a chance to repent. I mean, he called him out. What would be the purpose of that other than that? I think it does show Jesus is full of grace. because he washes his feet also. And you can read that in John 13 or the Matthew 26. So they were saddened, and one by one they said to him, surely not I.

So I guess you just went ahead and added lying to conspiracy and malice. It is one of the 12, he replied, one who dips bread into the bowl with me. The son of man will go just as it is written about him. but woe to that man who betrays the son of man. It would be better for him if he had not been born. So he was tender and he confronted him, but he was also blunt about the result would not end well for Judas. So 22 says,

while they were eating, Jesus took bread, gave thanks, and broke it, and gave it to his disciples saying, take it, this is my body. And if this sounds familiar, this is the introduction of the Lord's Supper, which is his version of the Passover, meal, which to these disciples were like, this is the strangest Passover meal I've ever experienced. So you have to look in the history, read, you know, what is that where they quote all the Psalms, like Psalm 114 through Psalm 118, I think, is a typical Passover meal and there's like

four stages to it. And there's a, it's very elaborate. There's a lamb on the table. And, you know, and so verse. Hang on before you read that. Let's take another break. So 23, he takes the cup, gave thanks, and offered it to them, and they all drank from it. This is my blood of the covenant, which is poured out for many.

He said to them, I'll tell you the truth. I will not drink again of the fruit of the vine until that day when I drink it anew in the kingdom of God. So when they had sung a hymn, they went out to the Mount of Olives. And then just to preview what happens next, he then says that they'll all fall away. for it is written, I will strike the shepherd and the sheep will be scattered. But after I've risen, I will go ahead of you in Galilee. And that's when Peter was like, no, I'm not, I will never. And the reason I'm bringing this up is because I think it is interesting that Jesus had this,

had the Lord's supper in between announcing Judas or, you know, one of them will betray him, and that all the rest of them would defect him. Yeah. But he had the Lord's Supper in between there. Yeah. Which I think is ironic. Which included him washing their feet, which showed this concept of service, too. So just a little bit about the Passover, Jay's mentioned it.

So if you, Exodus 11 and 12 is when it was initiated. And I mentioned this on a recent podcast. I won't go deep into it. But the idea was at the end of the plagues, you know, they had the death of the firstborn. And the Passover began there. The idea was that the angel of death would pass over your house if the blood of a lamb is on the doorpost. So obviously, even way back in Exodus and in the time of Moses, right before the first covenant came, God was showing this concept that the blood of something innocent has to die for people to experience salvation.

I mean, that was the big picture. But in the moment... It was a shadow of eventually Jesus. And even then, it didn't actually remove the sin. Only Jesus, a human had to remove the human, yeah, the human sin. But I do think it's a good point that when this happened, either a lamb or the firstborn of your family died. So, I mean, and remember all the verses that says,

because justice is coming. He was introducing, or not introducing, but he was explaining, I guess, that God is, he's just. That's right. So this is what's going to happen. I mean, I know that seems a little morbid. Yeah, morbid and barbaric. But when you think about it.

That he's just. Well, right. That a lamb or a firstborn was going to die. But you got to remember, when sins happen, someone is paying for that. There are consequences, whether you believe in God or not, there is payment for. There's got to be payment. Well, there's a big question. A lot of people. Yeah, there just is.

A lot of people, yeah, I think a lot of people who are irreligious or have come out of, they don't, they've never heard. You know, we grew up with this, you know, so we were, you know, we were formed in the teachings of the Bible. So we kind of had a God conscience early on, but I will say that for a lot of my life, I had this question. Why do I deserve death? It seems like a bit of an overkill. and I think that's because we don't understand the nature of sin. You know, and think if you define sin in a relational context, meaning that sin is you're violating another person.

I mean, I've tried to think of a sin that wasn't relational in its nature, and I just couldn't think of one. Either you're violating God or another person. And I was thinking about, you know, nobody has a problem with God being love. I mean, everybody likes that concept of first on four-eight. God is love, but only a loving father would be a father that demands justice if someone harmed or sin to get someone that he loved. If you messed with one of my kids, and I'm like, nah, no big deal, I probably don't love

my kids. But if I do love my kids, then you violate someone, like one of my children, I'm going to demand justice. Why? Because I love them. And I think that's the thing here with God. the reason why God demands justice and the reason why God demands there be a payment made when we, when someone hurts one of his children, it was because he loves his children.

The problem is that the people who hurt God's children are also God's children. And so that's why you see the gospel being played out here, even in the Old Testament, you see it. I mean, you can see it right there in the Passover in the Exodus of the Israel. lights, and as this is beginning to be prepared, you see God's people, right? Like, he's bringing payment for them. And that's what this, I think if you interpret the Passover in isolation, you're missing it. The Passover was a shadow of the thing that was to come. And again, we've talked about this a lot with the book of Hebrews.

It's like you keep seeing these shadows, the old priesthood model, the Libyical priesthood model, that's a shadow, the temple. that's a shadow, the Passover, that's a shadow. The reality, however, is found in Christ. And so in this institution of the Lord's Supper, he does it through the Passover because he's putting one thing, one thing is coming to an end, and then the real thing is coming into being, which is Christ himself is going to be that lamb, which is incredible. And I brought this up a couple, a few podcasts ago.

I'm not sure y'all agree with me, but I heard Keller give this ill. And I agreed with it. Because when you look at what they did under the, you know, doing the Passover, and I experienced it when I was in Israel. You know, we were with a family. And I mean, it was, it was long, and it was long readings. And they had the meal out there, and they had the wine. And every element of the meal had a meaning for it.

And they had the lamb. And so here Jesus does this. and, you know, Keller made a point that I really had never considered. And, I mean, you're making assumptions, but I agree with him, is that you didn't have a lamb. I mean, it's not mentioned that there was lamb on the table. And I guess there could have been because it was the Passover. But he was making the point that in this moment by him declaring the Lord's Supper,

which I think everyone would agree with, that you're no longer going to eat the lamb on the table to experience the Passover because the lamb is beside you at the table, which was Jesus. You know, and you have a lot of text to support that. Remember when John the Baptist saw him, John 2, he was like, look, the lamb of God. So he got it that the lamb and all the shadows that Zach just mentioned were pointing to Jesus, and I believe he was declaring this right here. Yeah.

You, this is my body. This is my blood being poured out. And I think when you look at it, that it won't be on the table. table, it'll be at the table in Him, in Jesus. I just think it really takes you to an understanding of where you need to be as far as now. Yeah, and I like that, the idea of him inviting us. Let's take another break. Keller's point goes back to the concept that we've been talking about all along with the kingdom and in the book of Exodus too, that my presence will go with you. And so, you know, it's one thing to consume, to consume a piece of meat that's there, but you've got to

to continue to make that sacrifice year after year. Every time you do the Passover, it's a new sacrifice, a new lamb. But now that you have the lamb with you, he's present. And I think it's a picture that you get in the book of Revelation in chapter 5 when he talks about this scroll that nobody was able to open. We're actually singing this on Christmas Eve at our church that Peterson song, Is He Worthy, which is an incredible song, by the way. but it's this idea that John's like was presented with this scroll and nobody's able to open it. And so in frustration and defeat and despair at just the like, what are we going to do? Like no one is able to open the scroll.

And everybody understands that it's complete defeat. John gets it. We're completely, I'm completely undone and defeated and there's no hope until an elder put his hand on his shoulder and reveals the one who can open the scroll. And what he says is, I think he says something like, behold the lion, he said, stop weeping. Behold the lion that is from the tribe of Judah, the root of David has overcome.

So as to open the book and it's seven seals. And so when you get this picture here in your mind, when you hear someone say that, you're weeping and you're like, no one's powerful enough or able to open this scroll. roll up and you're defeated and then someone says, no, there is somebody. And he says, who? Well, it's a lion. The lion from the root of David, you get in your picture of mind of power and ability and protection and just the fierceness of a lion.

But listen to this next part in verse six. He turns around. He says, and I saw between the throne with the four living creatures and the elders a lamb standing as, as if slain and I had seven horns, seven eyes, which are the seven spirits of God, which are not in all the earth. I mean, think about that. He says, look at the lion and he turns around and he sees the lamb. It's the same lamb that we're talking about here in this Passover. It's the Lamb of God, which who came to take away the sins of the world.

So there's a whole lot of disruptive power dynamics. The way we view power, there's a whole other thing going on here that is absolutely mind-boggling. Yeah, that's a great thought. And we did a sermon a few months back called the Lion and the Lamb out of that same text. When you look at throughout all of scripture, you see that both of those pictures a lot. I was going to mention 1st Corinthians 5, 7 is another passage, as where Paul in another context, but he says, get rid of the old yeast that you may be a new batch without yeast as you really are. Then he says, for Christ, our Passover lamb has been sacrificed. And so that was another challenge. another reference to the idea that Jesus is that lamp. And what's always been fascinated to me is this picture we get of this of this supper, especially when you read the all accounts, especially the one in John that gives you a little more depth. What you're seeing is, in essence, this is the last Passover meal that's ever going to be needed. Now it went on, you know, it went on for, and it still goes on because Jay's experienced it. But really, we never needed one

after this. This was it. No, that was it. I mean, this was the last. So not only was it the last supper, we call it, but it was the last Passover meal we would ever need. But some of these guys figured it out, even the Isaiah passage in 53, you know, when he says, when he says he was despised verse 3 and rejected by man, you know, this is a prophecy

about Jesus and his death on a cross, you know, a man of sorrows from any of suffering. And then verse four, it says, surely he took up our sins and carried our sorrows, yet we considered him stricken by God, smitten by him. He was pierced for our transgressions. This is five. He was crushed for our iniquities. The punishment that brought us peace was upon him. By his wounds, we are healed. We all, like sheep, have gone astray.

Each has turned his own way. I know somewhere it's in here somewhere. Oh, verse 7. He was oppressed and afflicted, yet he did not open his mouth. He was led like a lamb to the slaughter. I mean, even Isaiah gave you a picture that God was going to provide a human lamb, which was him. Yeah, and even gave you that little glimpse of the scattering of the sheep, too, was Jesus' mission. Go ahead, Zah.

Yeah, there's so much. There's so much here. And I think the big, the big themes, there's several big themes. One is the one Jace just mentioned, like there's a substitutionary, there's a payment that Christ sat in our place. So he became the, he took on the penalty. So the lamb, a lot of this is that he was, he was pierced for our transgressions. Yeah, this is, that's the thing. Like, he took on that payment in the form of the crucifixion.

And then there's also the resurrection that gives us hope as well. But the other thing I think here with the Lord's Supper or some call it the Eucharist or communion, however your church, however your church terms it, is that there's, I mean, just think about the thing that your athletic trainer always said, or maybe your coach told you in high school when you're playing ball about the way you eat. What do you say? You are what you eat. And so if you're ingesting junk, and then that's what you're going to become, right?

So you are what you eat and you become what you consume. Like you think, well, why do I desire what I desire? I mentioned this on a previous podcast. It was because I'm consuming certain things and that's going to form me. I think what's happening here in the Lord's supper is you are what you eat. And Christ is like, consume me, eat my flesh, drink my blood. You could have the greatest meal ever prepared, but if you don't eat it. And I think that's why I started off saying he did this supper in between.

between announcing Judas's betrayal and the rest of the disciples' defection. Because he was addressing sin, their sin. And so here's Judas. Do you think about it? Judas was part of the greatest small group ever. He had the greatest teacher ever. He actually was under the power of the spirit when they sent them out and did miraculous things with the other disciples.

He knew the ends and out of, of, you know, the creator of the universe and walked and followed. Well, what was the problem? Well, he didn't take it. His heart was, had not allowed Jesus to rule. I'll say this, let's take our last break. I'll say this, in addition of that, when you read the John account, you get the impression that Judas, whenever Jesus tells him he's going to be the one that betrays him, he leaves

because it says Satan entered him. So I don't even think he was around. He didn't wait around for the supper. he also said in john 1318 he's before he gave the speech the one of you's going to betray me he said he said one has turned against me yeah so i think that's important it is because he knew that he made his choice because according to john's account there satan had not fully entered him because it said then satan entered it so it's like in that moment to your point earlier he had still had a chance to say you know what guys well that's why he confronted him here's

I mean, to me, this is no different than you remember when the woman called in adultery? And at the end of it, I mean, which I know it's a controversial passage to some. I mean, it's not to me because he's doing the same thing with Judas. And he said, where are your accusers? You know, has, and then he said, has no one condemned you? And then he said, neither do I condemn you. But then he says something kind of crazy, but go leave your life of sin. Yeah, get out of this.

You would think he would say, your sin has condemned you, you're out. He's like, no, I'm not going to condemn you, but leave your life of sin. And he was confronting her sin while also sharing that he doesn't want. Yeah, you have a chance. Why else would he confront him if there was not giving him every opportunity? I think part of the confrontation, though, is it was also kind of a proclamation that there's a prophecy, a messianic, prophecy out of Psalms 22 that's being fulfilled here because Judah's betrayal was prophesied in Psalms 22.

And so I think part of it is the fulfillment of prophecy, but I think the story of Judas is interesting because think about he gets all this money, which was probably going to go to store up metaphorical bread. I was thinking about this verse out of John 6 when Jesus says, he says, I am the bread of life. your father's ate manna in the wilderness which by the way came from heaven and they died this is the bread which came down out of heaven so that one may eat of it and not die i am living bread that came down out of heaven if anyone eats of this bread he will live forever and the bread also which i give i give for the life of the world my flesh i think that um if you think about the

people who, I'll say people, when we dive head first in the sim, going back, not shameless blood, going back to Phil's movie and his story, like there was 27 years of Phil's life, 10 of which were pretty much Phil just like I'm running for me.

And there's a moment in the film where Phil hits rock bottom because he had consumed, and all this came from Phil's on testimony, by the way, that he had consumed is, Like just as much pleasure as he could, and it just did not fulfill him. He had a hunger for pleasure or whatever it was for freedom. He had a hunger for it. And he got a mouthful of it.

I mean, he really, a belly full of it. And it didn't fulfill him. So that's on one side of this equation. On the other side of this equation is this guy who says, people who hunger and thirst for righteousness will be filled. That's what's going on in the Lord's Supper here. This is the fulfillment. You want to be fulfilled.

You've got to hunger for something different. Those who hunger and thirst for righteousness, Jesus promised that, will be filled. And the reason why they'll be filled is because he himself is the bread of life. For the life of the world, he says here, my flesh. And the blood obviously goes along with that as the atonement. So to me, it's like a, that's what's in it for us. No, I agree. Well, I think he has three points that you can easily figure out, that you must be dependent

on the grace of God. I mean, he's pouring out, he's giving you a vision of what was going to happen on the cross. But then he's also giving you a vision because the Passover, that it's real family-oriented. Families do this. That was what they did. The whole reason of Passover happened to start with was over your first born. And so in your house where the family resided, you put the lamb, the blood of the lamb on there. Well, he's introducing the idea of these are going to be your brothers and sisters.

This is a forever family forming here through me. And then he goes to the future. He's like, I'll take this again anew in the kingdom of God. And the kingdom of God is eternal. And so, which I think leads, you know, to our understanding of the resurrection. So you think about those three aspects of what. what the Lord suppers, say it you're dependent on Jesus, you have a family, and this is forever. Well, there's your gospel reminder every time you take it, but you don't let it just sit there.

But Zach's right, and pointing out, he is also considering their seriousness of sin. And I wrote down these couple things, because I get it about Judas was prophesied to betray him. But so why did Jesus, why is he confronting him? Why is he, he's giving him every opportunity, even though he knew that he's not, he's not going to. Because it had been prophesied and he knew. So why go through all that? Why the confrontation? Why?

It just shows you that. To show others. If you leave, guess what? Who moved? You made the call. You're never going to be able to blame God and say, well, you know, he just didn't love me enough. He didn't offer himself enough. He didn't forgive me enough.

I did. This guy had everything going in the world, which should scare us in the church. And that just because someone is looking like they're participating in the meal, doesn't mean they're eating it. Their heart can be a million miles away. And if you ever want an example of that. And here's Jesus. When I got to his feet, if it had been me, and there's a reason that I'm not God,

is there's no way I could have watched his feet knowing what he's. he's fixing to do. But you know what? God is bigger than us. He's more loving. He's more full of grace. But I wanted to make these three points about sin because what he's doing is what Jesus in that confrontation did and what every one of us do when we hear the story of the cross and who Jesus is, it makes us, number one, obviously think about what we've done. We go back and we think of the sins we've committed and it's shameful and embarrassing. But number two, especially in the, a situation like this, we should consider what we're capable of doing. Because at this point, Judas could have just pulled the parachute here and said, wait a minute.

And so I think that really shows you how simple we are when that you're given the right circumstance, because look, things happen every day. I mean, out of your control, we're capable of a lot worse than even what we're doing based on the circumstance. And the last thing is we have to. watch that we don't exclude ourselves from the group of sinners. You know, in this passage, you get the idea that being a sinner is universal and yet incredibly personal.

And so I think what we do is we tend to look at other people and say, well, we're not as bad as them. And we find ways to exclude ourselves from the universal center club and justified in our minds where we're not really looking to that. Because really, ultimately, what will change your life is realizing that Jesus died for your sins. Then changes. It's if it's always for somebody else's or, you know, the bad people or I'm not as bad as those people. So I think that's really the underlying concept here.

Well, and we're out of time. But in overtime, I want to explore that a little bit, Jase, because Lord's Supper going forward. We hadn't mentioned 1st Corinthians 11, but we will. Talk a little bit about that in the overtime, as well as this little worship setting they had. I wanted to get your take on that in verse 26, which I think was pretty amazing. So we'll do a little bit more of this in overtime about this last supper, the Lord's Supper. BlazTV.com slash Unashamed is where you can go to get that. Thanks for listening to the Unashamed podcast.

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