Unashamed with the Robertson Family - Ep 611 | Jase DELETED Uncle Si from His Phone & Phil Is Skeptical of Zach's Absence

Episode Date: January 9, 2023

Jase and Phil are both a little skeptical of Zach's reason for not being on the podcast today: "What type of jungle could he be in where there's no cell service?" Phil doesn't want anyone to miss the women who surrounded Jesus as he ministered to them and to the crowds or the important role they played in the retelling of his death and resurrection. Phil and Jase talk about why it's important to have four different accounts of Jesus' life, death, and resurrection in the Gospels. Plus, where did the dream come from that Pilate's wife experienced? And did Pilate fully understand what was happening during Jesus' trial? Jase reminds us why you should never underestimate the confidence that can be communicated in silence — when Pilate asked Jesus a "trick" question, Jesus remained silent. Jase and Al wonder whether Pilate knew who Jesus was — or was just scared. "The Blind" hits theaters this fall. Get updates, trailers, behind-the-scenes moments, and special opportunities here: https://theblindmovie.com - Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

I am unashamed. What about you? So welcome back to Unashamed podcast. Jase, I thought we were going to have Zach on today. Zach's been MIA since the new year. Breaking news. I have breaking news. So he sent me, we started filming this at 9 a.m. our time. At 8.56, he sent me a text.

And I haven't sent him a text. Oh, I sent him one yesterday before, because we did some podcast yesterday. Yeah, and I did too. At 858 yesterday, I sent him a text, are you coming? So he waited 24 out, well, actually 23 hours and 58 minutes before the response. So he's acting like, I just sent him, I sent him that yesterday. So his response is sorry, I'm actually out of town this week with little cell service. So that's it.

Yeah, there's no more. That was it. Sorry, which I don't get the word actually. I'm actually out of town. What type of jungle could he be in where there's no cell service? That's a good point. Just Phil, think about a feedback in your day. What kind of excuse would that be if you said, look, are you coming?

And then 24 hours later, a guy says, sorry, I have little cell service. How would you respond to that? I said so much for all this computer crap. Yeah. Dad would say that's why I don't have a cell phone. Yeah. So you can get in a position where you have no cell service. What concrete building?

No, that won't stop it. The way is going to the satellite. You know, what gets in the way of the satellite being? It's a good question. It's a good question. There's a lot of rural areas that they just, they don't have cell service. Because I think they go to where the masses are. Phil.

Yeah. So which fits right in with you because this is pretty rural. Yeah, Dad, you spend a lot of time in places with little cell service. That's kind of your lifestyle is little cell service, I would say, wouldn't you? I consider that a good thing. That needs to be a shirt for you, Phil. Just have on it, little cell service. Yeah.

And it's got like one bar. And when you finally reach me, yeah. No, yeah, I just think if you wore that T-shirt, I'm going to get you that next year for a kid. I'm making a New Year's resolution right now. Next year, T-shirt, little cell service. It sums you up. It sums you up. It does.

It's good. Because Dad's right. When he does get on the phone, he's not a man of many words. No, short to the point. What are you going? Short to the point. Never says goodbye. It's just, or hello.

No. Or hello. Yeah. No. Yep. Yep. I remember the first time Missy talked, she called down there. First time she ever had a phone conversation with Phil.

It was funny. She said, I think I had a conversation with Phil. I said, what do you mean my thing? She said, well, it wasn't much of a conversation. There was like four years and a hang-up. I said, no, that's the conversation. That's it. James Robertson, my dad, who's going on, a godly man, a good man.

He, uh, that's what he did now that I think about it. He'd pick out the phone, he'd say, yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, your brother, sigh, for years, over and over and over. For years would, he treated it like it was some kind of danger to him. he would hold it away from his head and he would holler and i'm like sire why are you hollering and i finally figured out that in his subconscious he felt like since you're so far away he had to talk loud so somehow it would go through the airwaves yeah where you could hear yeah yeah but he didn't he felt like agitated when he was on the phone i'm not sure if he still seven children

Seven children and the Robertson family. Not one of them. Without it, the topic never came up. Y'all never had the cell phones? Seven out of seven, they didn't own cell phones. Yeah, it's pretty incredible. Jimmy Frank, Harold, Judy, Tommy, I come along, Cy, Jan.

None of them had cell phones. Well, do you know to this day? I never did figure out what the deal was. Si, size still has the landline, but I took his phone number out of my phone. He's been deleted. So if I need to get a hold to sigh, because he's weird on the phone,

I can't have a conversation with him. So if I need to get a hold to say, I either send someone to his house or I drive there. I haven't talked to say via telephone in years. Don't do it. It's not going to accomplish anything. I just never needed to call him. That's the other side of this though, Jays.

If they ever call you, which is very rare. But every once in a while, you know, dad has called me. And I remember it's the same way with Jan, same thing with Si. If they call you, they start into the conversation. They've been thinking about something and they need you to help them. So they start into the conversation like, you know, you've already been talking for like 10 minutes. No, I agree.

By the time we hang up, I'm just now figuring out what they were talking about. Exactly. I'm like, whoa, whoa, whoa, back up. What are you talking about? It's always just like it because it's right into the conversation. You know, this guy. That's so true. Yeah, it's so true.

I was in the middle of the woods and you know where that in it? I'm like, wait a minute, in the middle of woods, what just happened here? A dilemma is almost daily. But your mother, where's her cell phone? Where's her phone? We need a. Looking for her phone every day, almost every day. A massive hunt and they come up, they end up in some strange places.

We need some kind of community service project for people over, I don't want to maybe give a number, because it's just a number, where people can gather the old guard and figure out how to deal with society and cell phones and like go through phone conversation, normal phone conversation, maybe texting. That topic needs to be covered. It should be. What do you need? Well, you won't. Well, I just going to say, how's it going?

I said, what are you doing? I said, talking to you. Yeah. Then we need like a second leg of that is how to drive through roundabout. Because I've noticed they seem to be older. The older members of our society are the ones stopped in the middle of it. Yep. There's no stopping.

The one thing you never do is stopping a roundabout. You don't stop before you get to it. Okay. Once you get in it, you got to go. Once you get on it with them, what are you doing? I said, I'm sitting here talking to you. What, what are you got? I mean, there's no reason for them calling.

I mean, what are you doing talking to you? What are you need? I just call and say, yeah. We've just figured out the problems in our society. And look, when you combine a cell phone with a roundabout, you got a wreck. Well, you're done then. So you know, Jason, they don't have... I just think it's too much.

I just think it's too much interaction. And most of the stuff they're talking about doesn't amount to Hill of Beans. You have... Is somebody sick, have you... What happened? Why are you calling me? And they say, well, I just see what you're up to. I said, I'm sitting here talking to you.

I'm waiting on some info or something. But no. It just... Let's just talk. Since mom and dad have a landline so they don't have caller ID, so dad's caller ID is just plastered all around his chair, handwritten numbers of who he might need to talk to. That's your caller ID, dad, is your handwritten.

I'm looking at a repair man for tractors. I got that there because those people you need sometimes. But I mean, they just, Sofer did it is all I'm saying. Yeah. Oh, man. So Zach says I can't make it. No, he's not coming.

It's a low cell. But you waited 24 hours to hear that. On devices that were supposed to be instantaneous communication. I'm not accusing him of a crime, but I think he waited because then it made the excuse seem more realistic. Oh, I just got this because I have low cell service. I won't make it. That's right.

The text 24 hours later. It was actually a pro move because not only then are you out of two podcasts, but you're out of four podcasts. It's like, oh, I'm just having cell phone problems. But what happened is one minute later, he said, I'll be back next week. So I think he's determined that his cell service will be adequate. I saw the whole thing unveil when they first said they're going to have a device that you can talk to people like a walkie-talkie. Yeah. It plugged into your house and all that.

And I said, we were all standing there looking. We said, you all just never bought in. Well, no, but they got you a phone. But you were on the, you were on when your number. Yeah, the party line. Party line. you had about 10 or 12 other people who were on the line or can be at any given time. These old women, you would just pick out the phone.

You know what they called? Hey, get out of the phone. I'm like, well. You know what they call those people today? Spies. Yeah. And that's, James. That was in our lifetime because we grew up party line as well.

It was awkward, Al, wasn't it? Yeah. And sometimes they were mean about it. There was one of our next door neighbor down there. Man, if you, if you, if you. picked up, I mean, you didn't know they were on it, but if you stayed on what they considered to be too long that you're listening to their conversation, they would ball you out.

Oh, yeah. Just right there on the phone, which is so rude when you think about it. And you had a different ring, you know, as well. Oh, yeah. All right. Well, I guess we've, I guess we've done cell phones again. It seems like we have this conversation ever so often. But dad's such a relic that it's interesting to people.

that someone could live without a cell phone, which is interesting. So we're in the book of Mark. Go ahead, Dad. I was just going to say on the book of Mark, I remember for sure that I just checked in Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John because in lieu of what Jason said for years, this is the second phase of God-saving humanity.

you have the Old Testament Genesis, the prediction somebody from a woman would crush Satan and it took, I don't know, five, six thousand years for that to unfold. Jesus is coming. Genesis is coming. Genesis 315.

15. He's coming. So by the time to get to Malachi, there's a, God doesn't say a word for 400 years and the first thing they see is a guy of come walking up out of the wilderness, screaming at the top of his lungs, repent because the kingdom of heaven is near.

Well, for eight chapters in Mark, there's about more than that in Matthew, but he begins about halfway through his stay on planet Earth. Jesus is coming. He's now here. What now? The first thing out of it, But he did was, show him how powerful he was and all the miracles and all that. By the time you get to, in Mark, Mark chapter 8, he then began to teach them.

And by the way, this is over and over and over, that the son of man must suffer many things and be rejected by the elders. The most religious people on the face of you there, they're going to reject him. The elders, he names them, chief priests and teachers of the law. the heart of Judaism, Jesus has come and he said, that group right there, I must suffer many things. They're going to kill me. He said, chief priest, and that he must be killed.

You know, he ought to be killed if he's going to pay for the sins of the world, or this is big enough to do it or not big enough to do it. But he starts, he said, I must be killed. They're all sitting there looking at him. and all the time the things they've seen up to now is one miracle after the other the running out of demons i've got i've got a sheet here somewhere before he gets in the uh i must go up to jerusalem chief priest elders chief priest of the law teachers of the law i must be killed after three days i'm going to rise again he spoke plainly about this

Well, it starts right there. You turn a page and you get to Acts chapter 9. The son of man is going to be revealed, going to be betrayed into the hands of men. They'll kill him. After three days, he'll rise again. You turn another page. The son of man will be betrayed, the chief priest and teachers of the law. They'll condemn him.

So you get all the way. And when the event comes up where we now are in the book of Mark, It starts in chapter 15. So the last two chapters of Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John is the first time the no doubt about it, what this is all about, why he's here, who's going to kill him, why he's going to die, how powerfully it. It all unfolds about halfway once the gospels are preached. Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John recorded this, and they all recorded the same time.

thing, a gigantic shift. We have a prediction. One thing is to say to a group of individuals, you know, I'm going to be turned over to this certain group of people and I'm going to die, but in three days I'll be raised from the dead. Say what you will in the midst of what humanity is all about. That's quite the statement. And the kicker is, that's exactly the last two chapters in Matthew, Mark, Luke, John, the last two chapters is where we are on how that went down. But there's no doubt in Jesus' mind and my mind. One thing is to predict something, but you predict of somebody you're going to be killed and live again and they're going to see it, you better be, you better be mucho, you know, grande.

You said, don't mess with him. So the amazing thing is that's exactly what he did. And he left us with a message. That's what you go to. I love it. Let's take a break. So it's not rocket science. No, I love it.

Dad went to another language. That one's so big. Mutual Grande. I like that. No, you're exactly right, Dad. And we get to this point that's led us here to Mark 15, which is right up to the moment where it's about to happen. This is as weighty as weighty as it will ever get.

we have what person who claiming he is God and he says, I'm going to die, be buried, be raised from the dead. What a statement and what a, he fulfilled it. Amazing. Is it raining here or there?

It's not raining here. Oh, that's pouring. I don't know if you heard that all of a sudden. The rain formed as Phil was saying that. I don't even know if you could hear that, but it was pretty loud. Yeah.

But don't you find that fascinating that you make a prediction, but it's a whale of a report, and then you do it. Now, and you brought up the fact that it's in all four Gospels, which not a lot of the story is in all four, but obviously this one is. And where we're going to get to today in Chapter 15, I think you need all four, Jace,

because there's so much said, there's so many little facts that they pick up with this conversation with Pilot. And I kind of look at it. I mean. He would say, and here comes pilot and all of them. They're going to hand me over to them. He even says that.

I mean, he says exactly what's fixing to happen months before it happened. Well, and it makes sense because he came here from outside of time and space. So he knew how it was going to go down, which was interesting that he would be so resolute that no matter what happened, he knew exactly how it was going to have to go down. You talk about it in a series of events and the one who's telling about it. It's the most amazing story, Al, I have ever read in my 76 years on the earth. It's amazing. Yeah, really is. Even when he gets to the death on the cross where a lot of people, you know, point out when he says,

my God, my God, why have you forsaken me? Well, that was actually a quote from Psalm 22. and you're like, well, did that happen to David? No, he was pointing to someone else. To someone coming. Yeah. So, I mean, we'll get to that. I just think that's interesting because a lot of people have asked me that through the years.

Like, well, why did he say that on the cross? And so they never realized or never considered that that was actually quoted in Psalm 22. And you want to hear the kicker? when I'm talking to an atheist, this is what I tell him. I tell him what Jesus told them. He said, we've got a fellow here. He's doing the miracles. Say what you will about him.

He's got a story that will blow your mind. Even the atheist ought to look at that and say, this is far deeper than salt water. Oh, what are you talking about? It's a real person in real time who's saying, I'm going to die, be buried and raised from the dead. Now, you're going to have to be somebody to pull that off, and that's exactly how it went down. I'm talking about mind reader.

It's amazing, Al. It's amazing. Well, that's actually Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John, they're just giving you the facts. They're just writing it down. Yeah, they're writing it. And the reason it's really held up from historical skeptics, I guess, is because if you are making it, making this up, you wouldn't have like, you know, the women being the main witnesses here at the death, brown, resurrects, because women had no credibility back then compared to, you know,

modern times. And you wouldn't have your... These women's movements should concentrate on the gospel of Jesus. Look, with a, as strong as case. The women in this age were flocking to being a follower of Jesus because what he would did there was revolutionary. Because you think about what he did, you think of it. all the verses we use in from acts to revelation about where there's no male or female or

classes of people i mean it's unheard of in those days jesus put everybody on equal footing yeah you it doesn't matter your accolade your accomplishment how much money you have you're all one and we and we as a nation we went in we wouldn't even let women vote i mean yeah you're about a bunch of hard heads and you say, well, so in a lot of ways, some of these people, they've got a beef with it and all that, understand it. It's a hard concept. This is for everyone. We're all equal. But a lot of people find that offensive when they put their stock in their accomplishments and you know how much money they have. They don't like the idea that some guy in prison can come to Jesus and be on the same ground from an eternal perspective as

They are because they're like, but look what I've come. Basically, Jesus and the women all got together and they agreed with him. And Jesus and the women is what brought all this to bear. So to all you girls out there, you had some great girls coming before you. That's for sure. Two thousand years ago, read about them. Yeah, yeah, they're really going to be highlighted here because as everybody is abandoning Jesus, there was a certain group of women that were through the whole process.

There they are watching his feet, you know. Everybody said, look at that. All of them big shots in that day said, look at that. I mean, you know. Oh, it was, they found that offensive. Well, the one that said, all I'm needed is the crumbs here, just so I'm in on this deal. You know, there's just one story after the other.

I make it my ambition that when I'm talking about these four events, Matthew, Martin, Luke, and John, why say the same thing? Doesn't it get boring? it's to say the same thing from four different people. I said, born. I said, he's doing this so you can't miss it. Well, yeah, just getting their perspective.

It's one subject. It's one subject, Jesus. I mean, he's God being revealed. You want to know what God's like. Here he is. But it was from four different eyewitness accounts. But you also need that to be able to pay. the full picture. And nowhere do I think that's more important than what we're talking about

in Mark 15 today when he goes before Pilate. Let's take another break. He's already been on trial. We talked about in the last podcast before the Sanhedron. And again, I don't think it's accidental the way that this laid out in real time for Jesus, because when he leaves here, you know, Paul's going to say the gospel is first for the Jew, then for the Gentile. So this is what happens in real time. First, he's on trial before the Jews, you know, and they, they do their thing. They're like, no, this is false testimony, no way. Of course, then Peter disowns them, which we had already talked about when, you know, he predicted that at the end of chapter 14. And then when you get to Mark 15, he comes before Pilate. And so just to set up the background

for this, Pilate is a Roman governor that's basically an overlord. I mean, he's, you know, they're occupying Israel. Israel's having to pay all this money to them. It's kind of like the mafia. Here comes the politicians. Well, because the situation here is they, the Jews won't Jesus dead, these leaders. Yep. But from my understanding of this, even though they have this crime that he blaspheme, this is what they came up with, they were not allowed to go out and ston, because their, their form of capital punishment.

would be stoning, but the Romans wouldn't allow them to do that. You can't just go out and stone people. So, but here you have, you know, when they go to pilot, well, they're, the only way they're going to have some kind of capital offense is if he's challenging, if Jesus is challenging their authority, you know, I guess it would be sedition, you know. So somehow, they. They've got to figure out a way to make this work.

And I think that's why you get the question from Pilate, because he was like, are you a king? That's why, because that's the only thing they're interested about. If you're challenging our authority, we'll get you. And the Jewish accusation of blaspheme, that's not going to be big enough to get the Romans to kill him. So that's kind of setting up the situation. Would you agree with that?

Yeah, that's true. And the irony of the situation is when we read it here in a minute is the guy they did have in their possession, Barabbas, was an insurrectionist. In other words, he was a guy that had been arrested for actually trying to overthrow the government. Plus the irony of this is because in the end, the innocent is condemned. and the guy who was actually guilty, he was set free. Well, here's a good look at any type, at any point in the human race. Here's a good look at politicians, Al, 2,000 years ago. And it's the same story.

They're talking out of both sides of their mouth. Nothing is happening. Well, I think we need to read, do you want to read John's version? I mean, John has way more details, or do you want to just, what do you want to do? Well, let's read the Mark version, and then I want to hop around because each of them has bring something really interesting to the table. So let me start out by. Yeah, Marcus gives the action, the main point. His is the most brief.

I'm going to be handed over to the Gentiles. Right here it says, Jesus before Pilate, he's been handed over to the Gentiles, just like he said he was. True. I mean, so he's not missing a beat here. So go ahead, I can read it. All right, let me read this. and then we're going to go and hop around because each of them have something really interesting to add to it. So, Mark 15, very early in the morning, the chief priest with the elders, the teachers of the law and the whole Sanhedron reached a decision.

They bound Jesus, led him away and handed him over to Pilate. As you said, Dad, that had been predicted. Jesus said this exactly what's going to happen. No surprises for Jesus here. There's no surprise here. Are you king of the Jews as Pilate? Now, he's going to have a lot more conversation when we get to John, but that was the main question. Yes, it is, as you say, Jesus replied.

The chief priest accused him of many things. So again, Pilate asked him, aren't you going to answer? See how many things they are accusing you up. But Jesus made no reply. And Pilate was amazed. What you think about from his perspective, how many people have you seen this situation that are arguing, begging for whatever? But Jesus is just stone salad. Now it was the custom at the feast to release a prisoner whom the people requested.

A man called Barabbas was in prison with the insurrectionists who had committed murder in the uprising. So this guy was truly trying to overturn the government. A lot of them still around, Al. They're still around. Still around. The crowd came up and asked pilot to do for them what he usually did. So now he's thinking, okay, I got a way out here. Do you want me to release to you the king of the Jews?

Jews, asked Pilate, knowing it was out of envy that the chief priest had handed Jesus over to them, which is really interesting. So Pilate knows what's going on. I mean, he knows there's no way he deserves to do that. But the chief priest stirred up the crowd to have Pilate released Barabbas instead. Then he says in verse 12, what shall I do then with the one you call the king of the Jews? Pilate asked him. They shouted, wow, what crime is he committed?

as Pilate, but they shouted all the louder, crucified. Wanting to satisfy the crowd, Pilate released Barabbas to them. He had Jesus flogged and handed him over to be crucified. So as Jay said, that's kind of the condensed story. But in the other words, you get a lot more. So before he read John, Jay, I was going to say in Luke 23, in his telling of it, he actually says has three accusations from the Sanhedron. via the mob.

One was the subversion of Israel. This is the first couple of verses. He said, he has subverted our country, is what he said, or people. The second one, and that's not true, but that's what they said. Second one was the opposition of paying Roman taxes, which we also know is not true, but that's what they said, because they're just throwing the spaghetti against the wall. And then the third one, which is true, that he claimed to be a king, which is why Pilate kept asking him, are you a king?

Because they were making the implication. If he says he's a king, then he's higher than Caesar. Therefore, that makes him an insurrection. He wants your job. Which eventually is what got him. Exactly. They started saying, you know, if you allow this, then you're no friend of Caesar. And, you know, at the end, I'm not sure.

Is that in Mark or John? Yeah, that's going to be in John. One more thing, one more thing I want to mention from Luke is Luke is the only one that mentions that Pilate saw a political solution. So he in this moment, and the other three don't record this, he sends Jesus to Herod. Because he asked him, he said, aren't you from Galilee? And they said, yes, he's from Galilee. So he sends him to Herod. In other words, he thinks he can ship this problem back to Galilee and wash his hands of it.

But Herod, who's not really a king at all, he doesn't know what to do. And they just mock Jesus and then send him back. So those were the things from Luke. I thought they were interesting. Let's take a break. I'll mention you one more thing from Matthew that's not in the others is that Pilate's wife in Matthew 2719, when all this is going on, has a dream, which we talked about this when we studied Matthew. you. And in her dream, she sees that this is, don't, don't do this. Whatever, whatever forces came to her in the dream, it was like, you're going to condemn an

innocent man. I wonder where that dream came from. Well, I do too, because it's really interesting. Because one of you think if it came from God, I mean, he knew he was going to have to die. But so I don't know which side it came from. I don't know if it came from the evil side or the good side. I mean, who knows? I was going to bring out the same point about the dream.

Because you got a member of pilot, I mean, even though he's a politician, he was no dumber. And I think he knew what was going on. We got a coup here. But he's looking at Jesus like, this guy's a good. He's not doing anything. Because you got to remember, when they came with clubs and we were fixed to have a fight, well, Jesus was like, no, no. And even one of his followers. Peter, they probably couldn't even prove that since Jesus.

The beatings have already started. Jesus put his ear back on the one, the Peter cut the guy's ear off. So they probably said, hey, one of them drew a sword. And it's like, well, let me see him. There's nothing wrong with him because he healed, you know, he healed him. So he's looking at his, and you got to remember, Jesus on all these conversations was not acting like a normal person. I mean, he was cool, calm, and collected.

and the things he said were just not something they and some things when he was asked he just went yeah he didn't say anything you know sometimes they say silence is confidence it's hard there's a reason people say uh because they don't like silent he was perfectly content with silence and and so and then you throw in his wife has this dream I'm sure that was, I mean, I just can't believe that's a normal occurrence. All of a sudden, you're thrown into this situation with a guy that you just seems like is not a threat. His wife was basically saying something is not right.

Something's not right. But you know, from a political angle, they just put him in a situation where you just didn't have an easy way out. and uh but before you take up for him look he kind of his fact like this jays they're like this you know where not take a stand here let's see here they're checking the wind Phil's doing a illustration finger in the wind to go wherever the wind blows that's a key that's a key uh point when you deal them with politicians well at the end he really shows who he is because when they get into this discussion about truth, which we're fixed to read, you know, he was like, he basically said truth. What's truth? And he doesn't even give Jesus a chance to respond, but it really shows

you what's wrong with politicians. Because at the end of the day, I think pilots take on truth was a lot of politicians take is nobody cares about what actually happened. Or, or, the facts. It's just how this, how you spin it or what side of, you know, this. It's no different today, Jace. You got your truth. You got your truth and we got ours. The truth is really irrelevant in the political world in a lot of the politicians' mind. You are correct. It's how it's viewed. So let me read this. So in John 1829, I'm just picking up there. So Pilate came out to them and asked, what charges are you bringing against this man? If he were not a criminal, they replied, we would not have handed him over to you.

Just the absurdity of this, that means we don't have any, really. Yeah. Besides him blaspheming in their minds. Yeah, they're just saying trust us. He's a bad dude. Where are you reading from? Where are you reading from? John 1830, and now I'm in 31. So Pilate, he sees through there. He says, well, take him yourselves then and judge you by your own law. That's why I brought at this point. Well, they couldn't stone him for blasphemement. It was not allowed under Roman rule.

So it says, but we have no right to execute anyone. The Jews objected. This is why I brought that point out. This happened so that the words Jesus has spoken, indicating the kind of death he was going to die, be fulfilled. And Phil, that was your point where you started. That's right. Jesus made these claims. You know, it's hard to have a bunch of claims and the Old Testament are full of them and not only pull off the plan of salvation, but to also fulfill all

the prophecies. You're only as good as the last prophecy you fulfilled. You know, if you got one wrong, that would taint the whole project. That's it. And so I think it's so strong. evidence that this really happened. So verse 33, Pilate then went back inside the palace, summoned Jesus and asked him. So he's going to run the investigation here. He's like, well, are you the king of the Jews? And that's why he's going to, are you the king of the Jews? Because the sedition aspect of the, if you're claiming to be above the authority we have, now we will kill you for that. So watch what Jesus says. He says, is that your own idea or did others talk to you about me?

And the reason Jesus has been like this, and I'm going to be, you know, we're going to stop throughout this because this is kind of hard to understand because you realize that Pilate asked him a question that was complicated to answer. Because Pilate is basically asking, are you a political threat to the earth? but Jesus, and he's going to show that in his answer,

well, he's not a political threat in that the way he's asking it. He's not trying to have an army and take you on, but he is a political threat in that his kingdom is not of this world and will ultimately affect you. So that's kind of hard to answer. Let's take a break. Because he knows the Jews and the religious leaders here have they want to.

to kill him. And so they're trying to come up with a way to get that done, to get him executed. So verse 35, am I a Jew? Pilot replied, it was your people and your chief priest who handed you over to me. What is it you've done? You know, because Pilate's like, what are you attacking me personally for? I mean, is that your own idea? So Jesus said, so here's this two-part answer. My kingdom is not of this world. If it were, my servants would fight to prevent my arrest by the Jews. So that's why I said he answered in a two-part question. The kingdom, when you ask me, are you a king?

It's not what you're thinking, king, or we would have fought you. So no. And yes, because the second part. But now my kingdom is from another place. So then he's like, so you are a king. If you, you know, that was the conversation that was going on. So Pilots like, so you're a king. Jesus says, well, you're right and saying, I'm a king.

In fact, for this reason, I was born. And for this, I came into the world to testify to the truth. Everyone on the side of truth listens to me. So we know what Jesus is saying because ultimately his kingdom is more of a spirit. this is going to happen from the inside out love you know hope faith joy all these things are going to win but it in essence will endure forever because we have an eternal spirit which jesus is under the guise of that's going to be indwelling in us and ultimately we will win physically, spiritually, ultimately.

You're fooling with the thing that stands out about Jesus. You're putting one thing into action. He's indestructible. Yeah, he's indestructible. But it's interesting that he brings up truth. Because if you go back and look in John, you remember when we studied John, how many times was truth mentioned? I mean, for right out the gate, I don't have them listed,

but you know when Jesus said he came in the beginning was the word and words with God and the word became flesh 14 then when he got to 17 it said for the law was given through Moses grace and truth came through Jesus Christ and you remember at the end of chapter 3 when right after he said for God's to love the world you know he told nicodemus he had to be born again as a religious leader and the most famous verse in the Bible for God so love the world that he gave his one and only son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life, to your point. But then he goes on and starts talking about truth. And so you see that in John 4 when he tells the woman at the well, true worshippers will worship in spirit and truth. And eventually Jesus say, I am the truth. You know, I am the way.

So I'm only saying that because, you know, when you're a human being and you're living on earth and you're trying to find out what you should do or your purpose or who you're going to run with or... That cannot be said about anyone but Jesus. You've got to have a place or a person in this case where there is truth. If you find truth, well, you know what to do. You know how to respond. you know how to live your life, you know what goals you should have. There's some basis for making life decisions that's absolute 100% truth.

Well, you would have it made then. You wouldn't know what to do, how to do it, where to do it, when to do it. And it's all been laid out for you. So I love it how Jesus says, the army that's with me, it's not what you're talking. We're not a fighting army with swords. We're an army who listens to truth. Well, you know, what? You're not talking about my mind.

Instead of laughing, which I think is what pilot asked when he said, what is truth as he's walking outside to condemn him, he should have said, hang on a second. Do what now? Yeah. Because that was a statement. Oh, yeah. I mean, it was so heavy that it went right on by like a warm spring day with pilot.

Because if he said, who is truth, you're the truth, Jesus was basically saying, you're looking at truth embodied, the truth about the planet, the truth about heaven, the truth about good and evil, right and wrong, goals and ambitions. You want to know what to do? Listen to what I say. That's what he was saying. And my army, because he says, everyone on the side of truth listens to me. So then you throw in all those verses where Jesus says that very word.

the words I speak will judge him at the last day. That is judgment. Jesus, the words coming out of his mouth. So he says, what is truth flippantly? And as he's walking out, there's another, I think it's in Matthew, it's like, what is truth as he's walking out? With this, he went out again to the Jews and said, I find no basis for a charge against him.

But it is, so he knows. this is not this guy. He may be crazy. There's some crazy ideas, but you're looking at him. He's not a threat. Forget about the accusation. I just feel like Pilot in this moment is like, this guy is not a threat to anybody.

He's a pie in the sky, truth, but he doesn't have any weapons and he doesn't want any. And we know, Jay's from the Matthew passage at this point. He brings out a basin of water. Pala does. And he's figuratively washing his hands of this whole situation. He's like, you can't put this on me because I find no accusation against this man. But you can put it on it as much as you can anybody that's there.

So then he asked, do you want me to release the king of the Jews in quotations? Because I think now he's like, this guy's idea of being a king is not a threat. He doesn't want a war. He wants some. some truth talk about, you know, something out of this world. I mean, he just thinks this is la-la land type stuff. So then when you get to 19 of 18, because it just keeps going from John, they took Jesus and had him flogged.

The soldiers twisted together a crown of thorns and put it on his head. And so a lot of the scholars, they're like, well, he flogs him because he still, he doesn't want to kill him. So he thought, we go flogged. him, then bring him out, he looks so pitiful. They're like, okay, you know, that's good enough. Because he did not want to do that. I think that was coming because his wife had the dream.

And he's just looking at him. He just doesn't feel like he's a threat. And so they struck him. I mean, some of this is hard to read, you know, I mean, because here's, you know, our savior of the God of the universe. And they're like, hail king of the Jews. And they struck him in the face. Once more, Pilate came out and said to the Jews,

this is verse four of 19. look, I'm bringing out to you, let you know that I find no basis for a charge against him. So now he's got him just looking more pitiful than he did before. And when Jesus came out wearing the crown of thorns and the purple robe, Pilots said to them, here is the man. Which is he didn't. Oh, Jesus. And, you know, the Jews did it first.

Remember, they beat him and spit on him and said, prophesy and now the Gentiles have done the same thing. They've mocked Jesus, the Son of God. So verse 6, here we go again. The chief priest and their other officials saw him and shouted, Crucify, crucify. Because you got to remember, they can't crucify him legally. But Pilate answered, you take him and crucify him,

which he knows they can't do that. As for me, I find no basis for a charge against him. The Jews insisted, we have a law, according to that law, he must die because he claimed to be the son of God. When Pilate heard this, he was even more afraid and went back inside the palace. Where do you come from? He asked Jesus. So now he goes back and he's like, oh, this guy is claiming to be the son of God now.

Because you got to remember, Pilate at this moment is probably thinking the wife had the dream. The guy is very, you know, he's very poised. And now they're saying he's claiming to be the son. of God. Yeah, the question is, where did that fear come from? Because like you said, he knows he's not a threat to him, but at the same time, there's got to be part of him saying, what, who is this guy? Like, could it possibly be true? Yeah, I think their biggest fear of the politicians is the conspiracy theory back in that day. I mean, you can read the history of it all. I mean, they were scared of running up on some god or you know they were there was a lot of this yeah it do the gods have

you are you in the favor of the gods and so when he hears that he because he you got to remember he's perplexed by jesus his answers and jesus had already said i hey i didn't come from this but i'm not from this place even his followers they still did not understand john 20 from scripture that Jesus had to rise from the dead. Well, right. But these guys are not his follower. So we're out of time. But I want to answer that.

Yeah, I want to answer that question in overtime because the answer that comes out of it is very powerful in what Jesus says to this next question that pilot has. So if you want to follow us over, hear the rest of this discussion. It's at blazedtv.com slash unashamed. We'll see you on the other side. Thanks for listening to the Unashamed podcast.

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