Unashamed with the Robertson Family - Ep 637 | Jase Abandoned Jep in Texas with No Way Home & the Treasure Hunt That Never Happened

Episode Date: February 24, 2023

Jase’s latest foray into "Duck Family Treasure" goes horribly awry when Jep comes down with … something unexplained. But Jase and crew weren't having it! Phil just wants people to do good for others. The guys discuss “revivals” and what they should include to be considered such. The concept of suffering for a spiritual cause, instead of just for its own sake, is explored in the book of 1 Peter.  In this episode: 1 Peter 1, verses 6-7; 1 Peter 2, verse 15; 1 Peter 4, verses 1-19; 1 Peter 5, verse 8; Ephesians 5, verse 17; Ephesians 6, verse 10; Romans 1, verse 16 "The Blind" hits theaters this fall. Get updates, trailers, behind-the-scenes moments, and special opportunities here: https://theblindmovie.com — Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

I am unashamed. What about you? We're back in studio. Tess, you're back. Sort of. I'm glad to be back. You know, it's like life when you have a plan, the famous Mike Tyson quote, everybody has a plan until you get punched in the mouth. So you schedule all this.

You know, we do podcasts on Mondays. Tuesdays. I filmed from Wednesdays to Sundays. Yep. I mean, I get Sunday off sometimes. And so we go down to I was almost down in Mexico. And we get all... Well, you know, Jep, if anybody's

ever traveled with Jep in this family, you realize that there's only one subject as you travel. Where's the next bathroom? This is just the way it is. It's been that way his whole life. He's always had intestinal discomfort. He's very sensitive to intestinal mischief.

He's got IBS. I think he has undiagnosed irritable bowel syndrome. I think he's a hypochondriac with bowel tendency issues. So you combine the two. Because if you think that you become that. Because it just doesn't make any sense. so we get you know we stop an unusual amount of times on the way down there and just like no i'm fine i'm fine i'm fine and so uh we were going to go scout before we film the just to get an idea of what you know

see if we can find anything for the treasure hunting show so we're about 10 minutes into it i mean we get i'm excited because we're you know our new plays we're going to make some great tv we're going to find a lot of treasures and i look over 10 minutes into it and jep's sitting on under a tree, a little mesquite tree. I said, Jeff, you all right? And he went, nope. So I just kept going. And I came back through about 30 minutes later.

And there was the people who were on the place. I said, what happened to Jep? They said, oh, he left. He said, he said, y'all's Airbnb. He said he was sick. I was like, oh, my goodness. So I thought, jump, it's just, why is he? So I hunt till slap dark.

Get to the Airbnb when I was. then Jep has every blanket in that house on top of him and he's violently convulsing on the couch. Just shaking. So I thought maybe he really is sick, you know? Yeah. And so I said, he's way beyond the boy and wolf through the years so you don't really know. Yeah, he's by himself. I thought, hmm.

So then about two or three o'clock in the morning, I mean, I went to bed. I heard this sound and I thought, what is that? It sounded like something I just couldn't make out. Then I realized it's Jep violently throwing up, echoing through the house. So I thought, no, P-Sick. This one's for real. So long story short. It was amazing.

You were finally convinced to that. Yeah, that's what's amazing. I felt terrible because I was like, oh, Jep being Jep. Oh, he's see. He said. And so I go the next day, all the film crews, there, you know, and you can imagine coordinating all this. And they're like, well, what are we going to do? I was like, what do you mean? They're like, do you have any ideas? I said, I vote.

We all get in our vehicles and head back to the house. One of our main characters is down, you know, Jeff. And so eventually, a few hours later, that's what we did. But what the funny part was, is it was like, so I go back, because they're all acting like, well, you know, we, you know, we going to send him some medicine under the door they're all panicked i i think covid did this to our society everybody now is like no one wants to be around him but i was with him i was with him in a truck for seven hours you've already been exposed i've been exposed so guess what if i got it y'all all got it because we're all standing around here and a meeting and so uh we wound up i i went and scouted another place in north texas so i drove you know the next morning so we when i got back to

tell you up he's like well how are y'all going to get me home because he rode with me but i was i wasn't going home and none of the people from the tv people wanted to drive him they're like well we're not going to be exposed to that and so their plan was they rented a car for him and left the keys on the hood and said whenever you feel like it go home there's always a helping hand This is like Robertson on steroids. I mean, just nobody cares about me. I was like, Jeff, I care if you want to get in the back of my truck, I'll haul you around, you know, while I go scout. But I think it's a pretty good plan.

So what's funny is yesterday, I mean, now it's been days since then. And I was talking to Missy and I was like, did Jeff ever make it home? She said, yeah, Jessica called. He waited a couple of days until the, got the feeling better. It was like the lonely life of a TV personality. That's right. Boy, it's just an entourage is not like it used to be. It's not like what you read about. Yeah. Well, they're just from just what you just said. You can tell the love for their fellow

man was deep at that TV show. Well, I actually said that and they said, we got him a car. It is true. They didn't leave him for the Greyhound or whatever. Yeah, I mean, I was like, yeah, I mean, jump. They got you a car. Because I was like, well, why don't y'all just flying back? Joe's like, no, I'm not getting in a plane. Plus, you got other people. You didn't want to get him a car service because it's the same issue. Plus, he just had a bug.

I mean, you know, it happens. He had a violently, I mean, he threw up for about 24 hours. It was a violent bug. Yeah, that's a bug. Then I thought I was getting sick on the way home, but I was like, I just, you know, sinuses. but I think I just got up into the allergy infested areas of North Texas mesquite, cedar trees and all. Yeah, it's the season here. When it starts, when it's the early spring, it's brutal, Texas, Louisiana.

Because the guy with me on the scout trip, evidently, he's very allergic to poison ivy, and I guess I'm not, because he looks like just a swollen human ready to pop. Because he was like, did you not break out over that? But I was like, no. Look, it's hard to make a TV show. That was a week flushed down the toilet. I'm sure it was pretty expensive, you know, a bridge to nowhere. But it happens.

That's what else. That's kind of misery probably will sell well out there in our current culture. Yeah, that's what I said. I said, you ought to just film it. Yeah. Oh, yeah. I mean, bring the can. You don't have to go in while he's in the bathroom.

I brought that up. I said, just the sound effects along. will work. Sure. It's the hunt that never happened. It's the hunt that never happened. You have to pay the price to make sure that you're up the next morning trying your best to get something that's worth out of the ground.

That's right. Here's what some of them look like. I mean, that's must-see TV. A lot of people that relish their misery. Yeah, they say on TV, if you, you know, they say on TV, if you, you know, you climb the highest mountain or it's just a crash. Yeah. That those two extremes will, people want to watch.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, so we were supposed to be in Gulf Shores and we came back early. So our schedule was changed. Zach was supposed to be in Tennessee. But so Zach, were you, were you a part of the, so they had this, like, I was telling that about today. There's been, there's kind of been an interesting sort of, what would you call it?

It's like an outbreak of worship across the south. And it started in Kentucky. but I've been reading about these. Well, it's been, by the time this airs, it will have been a couple weeks, I guess. At least two. They started, the first one was up in Kentucky somewhere. They went like 10 straight days. 24-7.

Asbury. It was a seminary up in Kentucky, Asbury. Okay. I wasn't sure. I knew it was a Christian college of some sort. I wasn't sure about it. My wife called me. And I've got numerous texts about it.

Yeah. They're like, what is going on? It's a revival. I first saw it on Tucker Carlson had mentioned it, and then I kind of started looking it up. But then I read about there's like 20 other college campuses across the south that have had something similar. So what do you know about it? Because didn't your wife actually make the track? Yeah, Jill, yeah, they went her in about four girls.

And they drove over there and went late at night when they got there. They wanted to see what it was. Let me make a confession, Zach. I told Missy, I said, because she said, and people are going all over the country. They're going. I was over the world. I said, what kind of person just says, hey, forget the kids, forget. There's a worship service in Kentucky.

I'm going. And now the first thing I hear is actually like, yeah, Jill, working out. So I guess I'm confessing my sense. I guess it was a good thing. Yeah. Yeah, it was good. Yeah. Yeah.

Well, I did have that. If they did that fired up by Jesus. I'd say let her rip. Well, that's what I was. My point was, I was saying, just start your own is what I was thinking. You don't necessarily have to go to contention. You don't have to go.

I get what they're doing. Just say, because I love the idea of young people, you know, that becoming contagious all over a world. Just having an ongoing worship. But I will say this. At some point, you got to get back to being Jesus in your world every day. I mean, I'm all for it. Let's have a worship.

Yeah, I'm not down on it. it at all. No, but at some point everyday life, which is what Jesus did, but we interrupted you. Some people were down on it. It was interesting some of the play on social media. Yeah, I've read a lot of negative about it. Have you? That's that weird. With this stuff like,

hey, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, this is, we don't know if this is a revival, just could be how much preaching's going on. It was like, everyone was like, not everybody, there were certain groups that were super cautious about it, which I kind of get, but at the same time, I mean, look, you got people breaking out in work,

You have a chapel service where it just continues on and people are coming from all over the country to sing praises to God. I mean, to me, like, I don't know why we have to dissect that apart. I mean, that's a good thing that people are excited. That's what I'm saying. Oh, yeah. I'm just saying why I be down on it? I thought everyone agreed that it was a good thing. I was just being practical saying start your own, but at some point you want to be Jesus in this world.

Yeah. That's the hard. I mean, we're in First Peter. That's what he's addressing. Living for Jesus when things aren't going your way. Right. And when people are going to insult you. And, I mean, y'all know me.

My wife introduced me to true worship in a way that I had never even considered the first few years of my faith. And, I mean, it is vital. I love it. But I also realize that a lot of what we do is about living like Jesus in a world when it's just not on top of the mountain. Yeah. I'll be in Tupelo, Mississippi tomorrow night. So it may not be part of that,

but if they invited me to come, I said, yeah, I'll come. A lot of them I don't go to there. Well, that's the thing. We all do things. Like, I'll be in Enterprise Alabama this week doing a thing. Like, we're all over the place doing things. That's good.

And if somebody's in wherever, you know, Kentucky, having an ongoing worship service. Yeah, I'm thankful for it. I mean, I hope he wore worship all over the world. Could be looking at a mass repentance, so I would hope so. The more worship, the better. That's what they were, yeah, one of the criticisms was, I saw, is there any repentance going on there?

And I'm like, I don't know. It's just, but, you know, it's like. I hope so. I would think it's a good starting point. That kind of question. Yeah, but I did see guy. I'm sure there is. Yeah, I'm sure.

Yeah, there's repentance going on. I mean, look, I mean, it's, I think that that's the thing that we're so jaded and quick to be anti, whatever the thing is. And we got to like, I think it's like because we want to make sure we get out in front of whatever the thing is so that we could, if it goes, hey, why are we can say, I told you guys. I told you that was going to happen. It's like a safer route. But I mean, to me, if when I see a movement of God, I see people coming from all over.

Jill said it was not like super highly produced. She said it was very low key. She said you could, she said you could even hear the band singing. She said all you could hear was the people in the congregations, or not the congregation, but in the chapel singing. Yeah. And just worshiping. And people from different countries.

And we had a little service at our church on Wednesday night that was just kind of in that spirit of revival and that spirit of just coming together. We just going to come together and pray. We had a little preaching of the word. I had somebody pray over me. One of the ladies from our church is from Brazil. And so she said, I talked to God in Portuguese. Do you mind if I pray over you? And I was like, in Portuguese, I'm like, no, it was.

And I didn't understand a lot of what she was saying. I picked up a little bit of it, but it was pretty powerful to hear just her passion in her prayer. And hearing that in another language, I just think that we're just a little too quick to stamp out anything that doesn't come out of our particular group. And I think we need to be probably a little bit more open-minded about, you know, not boxing God, how God's going to move. how God wants to be. Yeah. Just be happy when good things are happening, wherever they're happening. I think it's a good way to be.

That's kind of my approach to it. I think that's a positive. I mean, the moral of that story is if you're going to be a hippie, be a hippie for Jesus. Yeah. You might have a hippie tendency. It's funny you said that because a lot of what this kind of thing has been compared to a lot. I was telling this to dad to what happened back in the 60s and 70s, and a lot of it was out of the hippie movement.

But there were a lot of like, and it was panned as well, a lot of the Jesus freak stuff. But a lot of good came out of that. There were a lot of true stuff and a lot of it wasn't true stuff. But at the same time, a lot of people back in those days did find relationship with Christ. And some of it was bogus. Some of it wasn't. But who's to say? Yeah, I think people will look back at that.

And then I actually just watched the film. I got a screener on Jesus Revolution. Yeah, I was wondering about that if you see anything about that. with the great. I watched it. Yeah, I watched it last week. I thought it was great.

John Irwin, Irwin brothers. Yeah. Yeah. You put that on. Kelsey Grammers in it. Right. It was done well.

But I think it was a legitimate movement of God, even that, which is interesting when you, when you go back and do the research on it. I mean, there's a lot of, it wasn't perfect, right? I mean, there was like sinful people involved. Right.

I think, I think that's what's so incredible about God. You know, I just want to, God uses messed up people. people and troubled people to bring his kingdom forward. But yeah, I think that it was, you know, I haven't done a lot of research on it. I wasn't there.

Obviously, wouldn't even born yet. But I think it was a moment, you know. And the film was great, by the way. I thought it was good. Yeah, well, it kind of made me think about that because that movie is coming out around the same time some of this is there. But let me tell you, you go back and read the Old Testament. You read through the book of judges, you're seeing God do some things in a time when things

were not good at all. and through some very, very flawed people. And so that kind of thing has happened all throughout history of God moving through people who weren't at all stamped with what we would call the approval of other people. So, you know. Are we getting into first Peter? We're getting into first Peter. Well, I mean, look, the word of the Lord is where you get your confidence in.

And you combine that with good worship. And that's why I was saying when I thought about that first Peter two in the second part of 20 when it says, but if you suffer for do good and you endure it, this is commendable before God. To this you were called because Christ suffered for you, leaving you an example that you should follow in his steps. So that was my point. I mean, usually when I'm worshiping or reflecting or even studying, you know, in my personal relationship with God, Those are restful moments and peaceful moments. But you need that.

So when you go out into the world and live like Christ, you know, I'm thinking about that Hebrews 13 also, that we go outside the camp, just like Jesus did, to make the people holy. That's why we do that. But God's word gives you confidence.

And, you know, your relationship with God, through the power of the spirit, believing in Jesus, that's what we show every day, no matter what, the circumstance. So if it whips people up into doing that, I'm all for it. Well, it's kind of interesting because we have, you know, here, one of our friends, all of our good friends,

Ryan does a thing he calls worship in the round where they surround this group of people and usually just get like a little acoustic guitar and just have this season of worship. Yeah, and other churches do that. I've seen other people. And it's very powerful. And it's kind of like what they're doing this ongoing basis

we were describing earlier. That's very exciting and dynamic and man, it's just fun to be a part of and all that is uplifting. But I was saying about that worship in the round. But then it made me think about Job 1 when Job got the worst news of his life and he tears his clothes and he falls to the ground. And it says he worships God. And I thought, you know, I call that worship in the ground, but it's still worship. I mean, it's still falling down. Yeah, it's not all a mountain top experience.

I mean, some of my most incredible moments of worship or in the darkest moments of my life, what the pain was. Exactly. You're having to lean in. But it is encouraging when you have, I mean, I will say, man, here's what I'll say about the Asbury Revival is at the very least, that we can say that it does show that there is a hunger in this country for the presence of God. You know, like to answer Jason's question earlier, why would someone go to that? I think people are hungry.

I think people want to This is a lonely time in history Yeah And I think people are just dying for something real And something intimate They want to taste the presence of the Lord And that's I was encouraged by it I was super, I still am super encouraged by it

Well I do think people are You know as people of faith And followers of Christ you get tired of being pushed around by the world Because the culture is trying to set the standards By which we're living with Well, it's frustrating for a Christian to just be inundated through any type of social media or TV. And you're just getting frustrated. So when something like this crops up, it's like, okay, let's rally the troops.

But I just wanted to say my favorite hymn of all times was written. And you'll be very familiar with it when I tell you. And I don't remember off the top of my head the exact story, but it was written by a guy. who his wife and four kids were on a ship. And the ship hits an iceberg. The four kids die. His wife lived. And, you know, float, I mean, almost borderline miraculously,

just picked up, you know, floating on a log or something. And so, you know, the pain that came from that, he wrote that song, you know, it is well with my soul. And so when you think of those worship type moments and you put into context on where that song was written and even the verses, I mean, because I've several times once I heard how that song was written

and you read the verses, it just, it means more. You're like how this guy loses his four daughters and has the faith. faith and a lot of that we're reading in first peter it's a first peter faith there despite incredible you know incredible suffering and just if you're ever going to blame god this is the moment and uh but you know that second verse where he says you know my sin not in part but the whole i mean he's viewing even his own self and being thankful for what jesus did and it basically is putting him himself uh and that song is just moving

before I knew the story behind it writing. But that's the only point I was making. That worship is, you know, because life is tough. And coming together as sons and daughters of God, there's something powerful. And the references in First Peter, too, about us being built together as a royal priesthood, you know, a people belonging to God,

a spiritual house, people belonging to God. Well, in each other, there's something about that. loving God with all your heart, soul, mind, and strength that worship in us doing it together is a powerful part of that component. I want to read that. It's the second verse that gets left out of a lot of songbooks, Jays, that's really powerful. Because most, you know, when peace like a river, my sin, oh, the bliss, and Lord Haste of

the day, those are the ones we usually sing. But the second verse, which heard somebody speak, I think it was our friend Leon, Tommy Lindsay, that zeroing on this verse that gets left out. It's so powerful. though Satan should buff it, though trials should come, let this blessed assurance control that Christ has regarded my helpless estate and has shed his own blood for my soul. I mean, that's stout. And, of course, that's that idea about trials.

Yeah, I mean, this guy just lost his four daughters. Yeah. In that moment of reflection to God, this song came out of it, and I would dare say top three worship songs of all times. Yeah. And even though it was written when it was, like back in the 18, 15th or something, yeah, definitely 1800s. But, yeah, well, that's, I'm working on a three point, the sermon, Jason, I gave you two

them, worship in the round, worship on the ground, and the other one is worship when you drown. And that's from when Peter got out on the water, then when he gets back in the boat, remember they all bowed down and worshipped him in the boat? Oh, yeah. I mean, that's my three points. So I don't know. Now you gave me another strong thing about this guy in this song.

I'll be here all right. Yeah, I think that when you look at even furthermore in the context of what Peter's talking about, he's talking about a particular kind of suffering too. And I love this how he phrases it in verse 13. Well, I'll read verse 12 first. Beloved, do not be surprised. This is 1 Peter 412. But beloved, do not be surprised at the fiery trial when it comes upon you to test you as though something strange or happening to you.

But rejoice insofar as you share Christ sufferings that you may also rejoice and be glad when his glory is revealed. And I've read that verse a lot in my life. And I think one of the areas I've found comfort in recently is understanding who is the owner, according to that verse. possessor of the suffering. It's ultimately Christ. So when you're, there's a kind of suffering that comes even beyond like natural events happening to us or things like that. There's there's evils that come at people in the church.

There's evils that come at people who carry the name of Jesus because they carry the name of Jesus. There's persecution that will happen to you simply because you bear the name of Christ. And when that comes, it's difficult at times to be marginalized or, made fun of or excluded from society or hunted down in the case of the first-entry church. But I love this to how he connects the suffering that they're experiencing. He doesn't say your sufferings.

He says those are Christ sufferings. And those are part, he's suffering. And if you connect with Christ in that kind of suffering, the good part about that is you'll be able to be glad when his glory is revealed. And so I look at Peter's message here is really simple. It's kind of like there's always glory on the other side of suffering if you suffer with Christ. There's always a resurrection. There's always hope.

There's always life after death. And so it's not just being saved from something. It's being saved to something. So you see that theme play out in all. He says in one six, in this you greatly rejoiced the trials. Even now for a little while, you may have to. to have to suffer grief and all kinds of trials. These have come so that your faith of greater worth than gold,

which perishes even though refined by fire, your faith may be proved genuine and may result in praise, glory, and honor when Jesus Christ is revealed. Pretty cool. That idea of fire comes about in refinement. It's interesting, Zach, because that Greek word there, in the NIV, it says painful trial, but the actual, I like the fiery better because the Greek word is pyrosis, which we get the idea of pyro, which is fire. I mean, it's the idea of burning, you know, and refining as you would gold.

But he makes the point earlier that gold, even though it's refined, it makes it more valuable. He's like gold is not, your faith is much more important than anything of the earth, you know, even though gold is refined and more valuable. This is far more. And there's several verses that in other passages that have this idea. I love the one in James 1 too. There he says, you know, make it pure joy, right? Consider it pure joy when you phase trials in many kinds. Because you know the testing of your faith develops perseverance.

Perseverance must finish its work so you may be mature and complete, not lacking anything. So the idea is without being tested. That's it. that your faith really isn't worth that much. So the idea is if you don't have fiery trials, how do you know how strong your faith is? Yeah, and part of it too is that it's in the fiery trials, that it burns away all the things that are worthless anyways,

the things that you think are going to sustain you. When you're going to a trial, you know, the luxuries that you argue about, for example, like even in church politics and stuff, the fights that happen, the fights that happened, inside of churches in America, the things we fight about, like right now, the discussion over, was this a revival at Asbury or not? Or what's it? Like, if you're under persecution and all that's going on, like all those discussions,

all that fighting, all that, all that, that doctrinal battle over trivial issues, all that that just kind of fades away. You know, there's a guy who's in the Russian church, the underground Russian church. If you ever get involved with voices of the martyr, I think they gave you this book. It's called Tortured for. Christ. And the guy, I read it in college, the guy's name was Richard Wormbrandt or something. I may be mispronouncing it.

But so he was writing about the underground church in Russia. And he tells the story in the book about this guy who they, the Russian authorities had got a hold of this guy. They were torturing him. And where's the church meeting at? Where's the church meeting at? And the guy's like, because I'm not going to tell you. And so they said, you're going to tell us.

And they're beating the guy, beating the guy. I'm not going to tell you. So then they bring out his 13-year-old son. And they're like, we're going to kill your son. We're going to torture your son right in front of you if you don't tell us where the church is meeting. And he's like, he stops. I'll tell you, I'll tell you whatever you want to know. And the 13-year-old son replies and yells out, don't do me to dishonor of having a traitor as a father.

And then they turn around and killed the son. It's like this. And he's telling this story. And you're just like, man, we got it easy. And he said, when he came to Western Christianity, he said, we have bits and pieces of the Bible. we'd have a page of Mark here, maybe a page of John, a little bit of Peter. He said, I came here and we're just united around the gospel. We're just trying to survive.

And the stuff that you guys were fighting about, he said it was the most discouraging thing that he had experienced when he came to America was just to see the things. So I think that fire, it burns away a lot of that stuff. It burns away a lot of the things that we think are going to give us hope, our material possessions, our 401ks, whatever the thing is. It burns that away. And it puts you in a posture to where you can really see reality that it is God and God alone who sustains you. And I think that's why he says in verse 14 that that's how you get the rest of God. If you are insulted for the name of Christ, you are blessed. Why?

That doesn't make sense. Why? Well, he says it here, because the spirit of glory and of God rest on you. And I think that's what Phil so eloquently says all the time when he says that the peace of mind is the rarest of commodities. I think that's what he's talking about here. That's how you get a piece of God when you rest in his sovereignty and in the fact that he's running the show here. And he is our sustainer. And that if the worst thing someone could call you would be a son of the almighty.

I mean, if they were saying that in some sort of insulting way, I mean, I mean, I mean, I, I mean, there's nothing greater to be called, right? That is it. That is correct. I mean, so, I mean, you're right. There's, there's, there's, there's, there's, it, it, the insults of suffering are the badges of honor for a son or daughter of the almighty. That's correct. The, the, the, the low blow is the highest of honors, which is what he says.

I think it's the only way you could, because when someone says there's rejoicing in suffering to, to, to, to a person who has no understanding. of Christ and what what he went through, I think there's no way you could marry those two ideas. Some of them say that's just fantasy. But we understand that. I mean, when you understand who Jesus is and what he did, you get it. That's what causes you to be courageous in a world despite the persecution. So when he says in chapter four and verse two, you know, as a result,

he does not live the rest of his earthly life for evil human desires, but rather for the will of God, you start, and these people who, you know, that see the way you act, they think it's strange, you know, when it said in verse four going back. And they began to heap abuse on you. And my point is, you know,

when you think about this phrase God's will, and I brought this up earlier, when you, and we're talking about worship, in Romans 12, 1, where it says, you know, I urge you in view of God's mercy to offer your bodies as living sacrifice, is holy and pleasing to God. This is your spiritual act of worship.

We know that next verse then tells you where the conflict occurs because then you no longer conform any longer to the pattern of the world, but you're transformed by the renewing of your mind. Then you'll be able to test and approve what God's will is, his good, pleasing, imperfect will. And I only make that point. So when you read 1 Peter 2.15, it says, for it is God's will that by doing good you should silence the ignorant talk of foolish men.

Well, when you start living like this, you're going to have conflict. There's going to be persecution. And, you know, he's going to bring up in chapter 5, which is eerily similar to what happens in Ephesians 5, you know, Peter and Paul's writings here, he brings up in 5-8, be self-control. your enemy, the devil, prowls around like a roaring line looking for someone to devour. Because you see this fear of death and you see the potential of suffering, and there's no doubt the evil world uses that to try to get you to be silent. I see it all the time.

It is God's will, verse 15 that you just mentioned, that by doing good, you should silence the ignorant talk of foolish men, live as free men. But he said, by doing good. So when Christians run around and they're doing good, you say, so why do they do good? Because not to be saved. Peter has made that clear. We're already saved.

We have the Spirit of God in us. Therefore, we point them to Jesus because we're not pointing them to Jesus because it helps us be saved. We already saved. Our sins have removed. We're guaranteed we may raise from the dead. We're just reminded them from the one that comes from.

But his point is you're going to suffer when you do that. Oh, every time. Because you're showing, you know, courage. That's why he gets to the end before that passage about the evil one. When he gets that cast all your anxiety on him because he cares for you, where's anxiety come from?

It's a fear of something greater than God. So, which is really sinful. I mean, that's the devil's playground. Pride, which he addresses that in verse 6, which we'll get to that, and anxiety. Yeah. And so that's why when you read verses like Revelation 21, 8, which is very scary, because it's like this group of people, those who practice magic arts and murderers and

liars, they're all going to be thrown in the fiery furnace. But the first one on that list was the cowardice. was the cowardly. Well, we're like, wait, what? Cowardly. And I think, because that's what causes anxiety. And in Peter's context here, your faith gets put to the test

when you're going to be killed if you're outspoken for Jesus Christ. Or if you're doing good is going to cause them to rebel and hurt you or hurt your family, or we're really fixed a situation. see where you're at in Jesus. Yeah.

Well, if you're anxious about it, because he addresses that. He's like, you, you know, as a fisherman, we get the phrase, you know, you cast your anxiety. I know what that means. Throw it out. Throw it away from you as far as you can. As far as possible. Yeah.

Let's take another break. But I said all that before Zach, you go to, I think Ephesians 5 mirrors Paul's what he wrote about submission because he starts off with about worship he says in uh five 17 do not be foolish understand what the lord's will is there is same phrase this you offer your bodies of spiritual sacrifices holy and pleasing to god be filled with the spirit speak to one another and so haunt sent psalms hymns and spiritual songs that's what's happening you know in kentucky probably right now and across the country and then what what does he use that to do he starts talking about submitting to one another. He talks about our goals in our families, wives and

husbands and children and the social classes, the slaves and masters, just like Peter does. Same thing, because it's hard to submit. It's hard to have that kind of attitude, especially in the light of suffering. And then what does Paul do in Ephesians? Same thing. He's like, be strong on the Lord and his mighty power put on the full armor of God so that you can take your stand against the devil's schemes. And it's eerily similar to 1 Peter 58, your enemy the devil prowls around like a roaring lion. So all I was saying is what you get from this is a fact that the devil is real. No doubt. We don't talk about it very often. But he uses these situations and circumstances to move in and tempt you, especially when you're having to suffer for what you thought was going to bring

you peace or perfection or comfortability. And when it doesn't, that's when the evil one moves in. I just think it has to be a pattern since Paul and Peter coming at it from two different situations, pretty much went down the same road in those passages. All right, go ahead, Zach. No, I think that was well put. I mean, he's not calling us to suffer for the sake of suffering. I mean, he's pretty clear about it. I mean, it's a particular kind of suffering that he's addressing here. And it's the kind that's owned by, first, it's owned by Christ.

He says it's not the same kind of suffering as a murderer or a thief or an evildoer or a meddler. Because he says this in verse 15, but let none of you suffer as a murderer or a thief or an evil doer. or as a meddler. Yet if anyone suffers as a Christian, so it's a particular quality and type of suffering that he's calling us to, let him not be ashamed, but let him glorify God in that name. For it is time for judgment to begin at the household of God. And if it begins with us, what will be the outcome for those who do not obey the gospel of God? And to go back to your point about anxiety, because I think in suffering, there's a ton of fear, right? You have fear. You have anxiety.

And we're casting that on him. I think the fear is multi-pronged, but a lot of times it's the fear of being uncovered. It's the fear of being known and seen for who you really are. But if I'm in Christ, then I'm covered and I don't have that fear. Or it may be the fear of what someone else is going to do to you. But I think what he's calling us into is kind of this relational trust in him. And I think that's ultimately what when we suffer, it's it, we have. have to hone in on this particular quality of it, that it's, it's, it's, uh,

Christ suffering. It's not the suffering is like a murderer. And then the last part that he says is, uh, we are to suffer according to God's will. And what that leads to the, is, is the entrustment of our souls to a faithful creator while doing good. And that term faithful creator is so powerful because if you are not trusting in God, then you either don't believe one of those two things. You don't believe that he's faithful, that he's good,

he's going to do what he said he was going to do, or you don't believe that he's creator, that he's powerful enough to do it. But if God is all powerful and God is all good, then we can trust our souls to him, you know, and we can trust him to do good works. We can do good works because he trusts him. We believe that he's not lying to us

when he tells us that our suffering is going to lead to glory. Well, and I like the contrast. that he lays out there as well. Let's take our last break. The contrast is when we see people suffer for doing evil, we expect that, right? Yep. I mean, he says, you don't want to suffer because you murdered somebody because you stole something. And I love it. He throws in even the meddler.

In other words, even when you stick your nose in somebody else's business and you suffer, it's like, well, you expect to suffer for doing that. It should have managed your own business, right, as a medler. So he says, you don't want to suffer that because we, expect that. You want to suffer for the unexpected for just doing the right thing, or as you say, Dad, for doing good. So I think it's interesting that this is another unashamed passage. You know, as he says, he says, we want to be the unashamed. And this is again, you know, we talk about this whole podcast. We call it the Unashamed Podcast. Romans 116, we're unashamed to the gospel.

But then Hebrews 2 is another one of Hebrews 2, Tim, in bringing many sons to glory. it was fitting that God, for whom and through whom everything exists, should make the author of their salvation perfect through suffering. Both the one who makes men holy and those who are made holy are of the same family. So Jesus is not ashamed to call them brothers. So he's unashamed of us, right? And here, if you suffer as a Christian, do not be ashamed, but praise God that you bear that name. Yeah, which I love. And then Hebrews 11, 16 is another one.

God is not ashamed to be called their God for he is prepared a city for them. So we talked about that. We studied the Hebrews, not only are we the unashamed because we're unashamed of the gospel, but God and Jesus are unashamed of us as well. So I love that. It works. I mean, that's what gets me a lot of times. People say, well, I don't get it.

I'm not suffering, you know, and I'm not being persecuted. And I usually say, well, are you declaring Jesus? says, Lord, and the surroundings you're going. Uh-oh. Speaking of meddling. Oh, I remember I preached a sermon one time, and I used the illustration. There was a book out there. You can go find it somewhere.

But it was my mother is a coward. And, you know, that went over like a lead balloon. But it was a story about a non-confrontational mom that in every instance with her kids, at church, she never wanted to confront anybody. Well, guess what happened? You know, in all the, I can't, it's been a while since I have heard or seen that, but in all the situations, it didn't end well. All her kids ran out.

She never wanted to confront because she just wasn't that type of person. And that kind of attitude flies in the face of who we are in Jesus. There just has to be uncomfortable, especially with your kids. they're because they'll they'll lie you know they'll cover up or they'll have their attitude or whatever and it just has to be some awkward confrontations and you think about all the Bible studies we've had some of the conversations got awkward because you're talking about people's lives and to Zach's point earlier you're not coming from a place where you think you're better than them you're a center as well So every time I've been in those awkward situations where people are like, well, you think

you're better? You're better than me? I'm like, nope, I'm a sinner too. But at least- You're like, have you not heard anything I've said? Yeah, but that's like the default reaction, but you're like, no, you didn't hear what we just said. Like, that's the thing.

We're not. Like, nobody's got this together. Nobody. Yeah. I mean, and that's why you confess your sins and what we do as a church. And even psychiatrists have said there's something about going through the process of admitting what you did that's actually the greatest therapy there is well you know you and lo and behold that's biblical you know you confess sins one another what's that james five so

you can be healed so that's why you have these conversations we're just uniting on jesus we we may not know what path to take in the short term as far as all the details of your life but we know what one thing, if you surrender to Jesus, ultimately that's going to be the way where you have clarity about your life and how it's going to go, because ultimately we all have to make that journey towards surrender to Jesus if you want a meaningful life, if you want everlasting life, if you want purpose to your life, and you can add in whatever of your life phrase you want to there. Yeah, and what's the verse you always say, did those who live a godly life in Christ Jesus, will be persecuted.

Oh, yeah. So, I mean, it's pretty clear. Paul made it pretty clear that one does go with the other. So if you're not seeing it, the bigger is they know why. They know why they're being persecuted. They're trying to help their fellow man. They present Jesus, him crucified and raised from the dead.

And you said, there are some to reject it and some that embrace it. But we're telling them not to be saved. they've just told us Jesus, who is that? So we're telling him who he is. We're sharing Jesus with him. And we're doing that from a position of strength. We're doing it because we're already saved.

We know how it works. His blood is forgiven us of our sins. He's promised the resurrection. We're telling the people that we run into the same message. Some say yes, some say no. That's the way it works. Right. Well, somebody, I think Smith,

who brought you to the Lord, Phil, used to say a lot, you know, when you share the gospel, it makes people mad, glad, or sad. Yep. And I've always thought, you know, there's two responses to Jesus, you know, from his perspective, you're either all in or all out. And so I guess mad or glad would be the two extremes. Sad could go either way because you could be sad and then realize that you're a sinner and ultimately be glad.

Yeah. Or you could be so sad that you think you're worthless and use that go the other way and get mad or bitter. But I think there's some truth in that. If your life in Jesus is not making people, especially those you love around you, mad, glad or sad, maybe you need to have some more conversations, you know? One thing I've noticed that you'll never see good news coming forth from a person who doesn't believe it. Someone who says, I don't go, there's Jesus saying, well, get ready because you're fixing to hear a devastating strong of evidence that proves them wrong. You just say, what about Jesus?

And they're like, Jesus, who is that? I mean, I don't have a big fear in Jesus. I say, yeah, you do. I'm trying to tell you something that's great. I'm doing good here, but just telling you about it, and you're all fired up. Well, just look into it and you tell me about Jesus. Explain him to me. Well, there's a difference in trying to police the church and sharing Jesus.

That's right. You know, if you're getting persecution because you're being judgmental and mean-spirited, that's one thing. If you're getting persecution for declaring Jesus as Lord, that's another. You know, I'm in that camp. We're not called to be the policeman. We're called to present Jesus. And a lot of times in your family or at your workplace or in your church even, when you're having these Jesus conversations, you're doing it because that's just what we're called to do.

And conflict will come when that happened. Yesterday, we had visitors, and I just looked at them and asked them where they were from, and they went down through the list, and it was from states all over the United States. The biggest percentage of them were from somewhere way off. They were from Alabama. They were up in the Midwest, but they were all sitting there. They drove all the way down here. Just to hear about Jesus, I told them about him.

Yep. Makes it powerful. Yep. All right, we're out of time. I had a story I was going to tell. I'll tell them the overtime about a painting that I have in my office called through the fires of pain that really goes with this text really well. So I'll tell that in the overtime. If you want to follow us over, it's blazedtv.com slash unashamed.

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