Unashamed with the Robertson Family - Ep 64 | Jase's Snake Protocol, Bringing Muslim Refugees to Jesus, and Al's 'Simping' Lesson

Episode Date: March 18, 2020

Al teaches Phil and Jase what "simping" is, and Jase is NOT amused. Jase tries to figure out the redneck protocol on misidentified snakes. Jase and Al introduce a man who does amazing work converting Muslim refugees into brave Christian missionaries. And the guys answer a frequently asked question: Is there a wrong way to baptize someone? See episodes of "Unashamed with Phil Robertson": https://bit.ly/2J4XsiX   See clips from Phil's TV show "In the Woods with Phil": https://bit.ly/2PNM6k1  - Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

I am unashamed. What about you? So, Jason, on a previous podcast that we did, you told a story about your whole secret sleuth, catching the fish. Remember all that? You know, when he caught the fish for Missy and, you know, he had to prove to himself. Oh, yeah. Oh, that wasn't a story. That was like a home run.

My manhood in jeopardy. I made her a problem. So it was a classic. So anyway, so I'm telling that night, you know, we were around a dinner table. And so, you know, we live next door to my daughter and son-in-law. And so we eat most of our meals together. And I was telling them that story because somebody said, how did the podcast go then? So I'm telling that story.

So everybody's laughing is funny. And our reaction to Jay's. And I was like, Jay's is so weird. He has these weird ways of. I'm not sure why that's funny or weird. It's both. So anyway, so here's the point I want to make. So Carly is 14 years old.

You just baptized her. So, you know, she tells me things all the time. It's like a whole other world. I mean, like, there's a whole new language that's going on that I don't even know. None of us do, which we talk about a lot about the Internet. It's social media driven. They come up with all these names. So as soon as I told the story, she said, oh, he was simping.

Simping? Simping. How do you spell that? that. I've got it right here because I looked it up. It's S-I-M-P-I-N-G, S-I-N-G, simping. And we were like, simping. I've never heard that word. Nor had I. And I was like, what is that? Well, then she told us what it was. So then we instantly get our phones at me in stone. And you're like, look. That's what I was fixing. Here's what you'll find. So it's a male overly catering to the exaggerated emotions of a woman,

which sounded a lot like what Jace was describing. I mean, she totally nailed it. A man saying things to a woman he does not believe but only saying them because he thinks she wants to hear them. And then it's actually said short for a simpleton, which I thought fit Jace as well. Okay. She is incorrect. That is a misdiagnosis of the non- I knew Jace wouldn't see it. But what it is is a, here's the, here's it when you break it down. It's a man trying to impress a woman. Okay, that. That's what it means. Yeah, but the overly exaggerated. No, this is reality. if you put the effort down and you rise up as a provider in your marriage and you take the time

and you're careful and pay attention to the details later on that night there will be reward it will happen and all i'm trying to do is get people to embrace the greatest sex on earth which is God sanctioned between a man and his wife. Make sure you're married. So after 30 years, sometimes you say, boy, if I only had a spark and all I said, well, maybe you need to go fishing. And look, and it doesn't actually apply the thing. I just thought it was funny, wanting to bring it up because it is about a guy, a teenager,

trying to impress a girl, but I did link it to the story. As a low-tech man, and the way it turned out, I'd rather it be a low-tech. culture, but I'm a low-tech man surviving in a high-tech environment. And so these things come up, I don't plan at 70, I'll be 74 in about a month. I don't make advanced plan, that far in advance plans on whether men and Ms. Kaye going to mess around a bit in the bed. I don't make that 12 hours before it happened. I don't go that, that's in advance.

You understand how? Mine's more spontaneous. It's not well thought out for the next six hours. That's why I was sharing the story is that I think you might need to make an in-life adjustment. And it would be worthy of the time you put in. But you got to remember. I love the fail eye rolls. I need to look at the response to this issue.

Because I don't look at that stuff. and just see if people have tried this. What's happened is that, and they need to study it, some of the intelligentsia crowd, is that I'm in my 70s and the low-tech type world came up pre-cell phone. Yeah. That rules.

That still rules with me. Yeah. It's what are you doing with what is that? Right. And it was too much, I said, look, how you turn the thing on? I mean, you got to have to have a code. Everything has a code. No more just on and off.

You know, turn the thing off, off. Turn it on, turn on. Oh, you need like four remotes to operate one TV. That's what I'm saying. And it's gotten now to where you're trying to protect from outside evil influences via the cell phone. That's true. And they're coming up with their own jargon, their own language. And I'm sitting here and it's all flying by me.

And I'm like, it's not worth it. I mean, I relish in the low-tech. It's just not worth it. That's why I was using an example. It's not worth it fooling. But here I am in my 70s. Y'all are my children, but y'all are in your 50s. But the high-tech stuff, you brought that up with you.

And I'm listening to it. I'm watching y'all roll. We were at the beginning of it, but we don't even get it. But basically, I'm walking around now, and it's not Alzheimer's, I don't think. I'm just walking around. being perplexed about the whole thing. Like that, what you just said, simple, simping, simping, simping.

I'm like. Yeah, I'm not using that word. I don't like it. I think that's terrible. But see, here's where the problem comes in. Even the old heads, not that you're an old head, but okay.

The other day I'm playing golf, my second round of the year, which was about like the first one. It was ugly. I was on the first one. And. Ugly. So we're on the first hole,

and they have a big lake on the left. you know and one of my you know playing partners hits it hits his first ball in the lake so you're a dessert no i'm at calvert oh that's right i forgot i forgot they changed yeah i forgot that's right and uh so when we get down there and i heard this loud racket i mean and then i like what just happened here i look over there and i see a splash in this my playing partner who I'm not, we're friends, but we have like a big group. It's like 25 people show up. Then you all dispersed.

So it isn't like, you know, I know this guy. But I'm like, well, what just happened? He said water boxing, water boxing, but he's running, you know, other way. Like it was going to charge after him, right? I spent most of my life around water moccasins. And my immediate response is I hadn't even looked in the water. I didn't look for a snake, but I'm thinking, Not a water moxins.

Because water moxins are usually not where there's a lot of traffic, you know, and people. But I thought, he's so scared. So he gets his phone out while I'm going over it. Well, I look, I see the snake. It's a water snake. Oh, it's not even a scary looking water snake. Because they do have some scary looking water snakes.

But now I'm in a weird situation here because I'm like, okay, he's terrified. I mean, his ham was shaking, you know, because he went in there looking for his ball and the snake takes off. Now I realize, so he swings his club, you know, that was the racket, at the snake. It's ridiculous. We don't do with that. Make it mad. Perfect good golf club on a water snake, non-pawsness.

So I'm like, do I tell him this is not a waterboxing? You know, I didn't know what the redneck protocol here he is. Because this guy. He was so scared. Then he wanted to say, look, that was all just, that snake can't even hurt you. You know, so I thought, you know what? not worth it. But then he, then he, because what his buddy in his, in the cart said, not a water mox. You know. Well, there you go. Well, here's the problem. He then looks it up on a phone and

find some picture that he thinks looks like this snake. And I'm like, you're treating that cell phone like the Bible. Number one. This is not the Bible. You found some, you know, idiot who posted a picture and said, look, water moxin who made the same, just like him, made the same mistake you made because he's peeled. That's it. So then I thought, you know what? I got to step in. I said, it's not a water moccasin.

And he's like, it wasn't? Because he knows me. I'm, you know, look at me. I spend time in the wilderness. If anybody knows what a snake looks like, it's one of us. Yeah, I said, I hate it. And he's like, well, I could have. I mean, but he kept putting that phone up.

And I was like. if that was a Bible, I'd say, okay, I said, if it's a cell phone. I said, that's not a watermockson. I said, I would sleep at that snake. It's a little baby water snake. He was harmless. But he was terrified. He was, in the moment, he was terrified.

And look, I reacted it with a cell phone was my point that we just view that cell phone like it. In his mind, well, I'm scared. It was embarrassing for him. But then he was trying, you know, we're men. and he's like, I'm trying to prove to you that I had a right to be scared. What line of work was this gentleman in hand? You know, that's a good question off the top of my head. I don't know.

You can make your point. Maybe it'll come to me. What does he do? Well, who is? I mean, you're not wanting to embarrass him. If you tell me, I probably know what he does. I mean, it's pretty evident. It's pretty evident that he does not get out much.

Fox does a, he has a truck with his name. I think he's maybe electrician or, I don't know. I think he sells like electrical supplies or something. Yeah, something. Because he has his own business. He has a truck with me. I mean, he's a smart guy. I mean, if you get out much and roam around where there's a lot of cotton mouse,

but most people would know that. You will become very used to look it down and say easy. What's that one? Well, here's my rule. And you and I have seen cotton mouths before on our golf course. I have. There are some there. But see, that's what I'm saying in my brain the way it works.

They're using areas where there's not a lot of. Well, on number, old number six. Yep. Okay, if he had said there, because I've seen one there before. But here's the rule, and a lot of people listening, here's the rule. If you think it's a cotton mouth, it's not. There's no doubt when you see one. The size of the head.

If you're like, I think it may be a cotton mouth. When I hear that, I'm like, nope. When you see one, oh, there's no doubt. That joker. He's an unbred. He's not scared of anything. his head's about five times the size of what his body should look like. And they're just eerily looking, you know.

Yeah, looks like a monster. Yeah. A big rattlesnake or a cotton mouth is a scary looking dude. They're there to be respected. All right, well, let's take a quick break, and we'll jump into what we're going to be talking about today. All right, so today I thought we would, last time we talked about this story of Jesus, cleaning out the temple and basically giving them a little glimpse of the resurrection. And it brought to mind, Jay, so there was a guy that spoke at our church a couple of weeks

back. Fantastic. I mean, amazing. And I thought we talked about what he talked about because it fits, to me, it's a perfect thing. Well, tell his story. We all support him. Well, I tell you this.

Last year he came and spoke, because he's a missionary that we support. that we support our church does. In Athens. You know, I've heard a lot of missionaries get up. They give their spill. Some of them are like, yeah, okay, that's good. He was one of the few that after he got through speaking, I literally got my checkbook out and wrote him a check for,

and it was four figures, but still, I mean, I'm like, here you go. Now, this is a good work, but you can explain it. You know more what he does. His name is Larry Bowles. And by the way, what Jason is talking about, our church does. And actually, it's an international ministry, but it's called One Kingdom. So if you go to One Kingdom.org, you can check out what we're doing. But this guy's name is Larry Bowles.

And he and his wife are missionaries in there. They go to Athens, Greece. And they started going there because so all these Muslims are being driven out of the Middle East by other Muslims, by the way. Syria, Afghanistan, I mean, the Taliban, ISIS, you know. I mean, it's Muslim against Muslims. They're refugees. They're leaving their cross. What's the name of that sea that they're crossing?

The Aegean Sea. Well, it's like tens of thousands of Muslims are coming there. So he's there. Yeah, so he's there basically saying this is an opportunity for the gospel. Because these people are displaced. Anytime you have a massive movement of people, it's very ripe to be able to tell them what we know about because they've lost their connection to everything. And they were ousted.

You know, by what they seemingly believe, but somehow another, they're ousted. So they're in a situation where they're perhaps open. Yeah, and they've lost everything. I mean, it's amazing. They come across the sea, Dad, and you didn't get to see the video. And this was just like on Al Jazeera or BBC, we're watching these clips. You know, he put in the video. They come across at a G&C, which is not easy to do.

And they're all piled on this boat. It's kind of like what happens in our country from the Central America to get to, the U.S. So you've got these coyotes, these people making money off of it, and they don't care where they live or die. They're just, and they take everything they have. Oh, it'd be like a hundred people in a raft that was designed. Yeah, for 15. Well, they're hanging on. How many do you say that died? Oh, my goodness. It's thousands. So, and they had pictures of it on Al Jazeera. They're just bodies on the, on the, you know, they just wash up. They're drowned, you know, it's sad, kids, old people. So anyway, these people come here. And so Greece,

You know, why does it be in the place? Because that's where they're all trying to get to. That's their sort of their portal to trying to get to Europe to get a flee, you know, what's on the other side. So they come there. So Greece has an island that they kind of direct them all to. And they built a place for them. Of course, you know, Greece, they got their own problems. But they built this place for them.

It holds like, what is it supposed to hold like 3,000? And there's like 18,000 people there. So it's just a terrible. And just terrible situation. So anyway, Bowles goes there. and it could because any situation like this, people that have this division for it, he said, this is an opportunity to tell them about Jesus

because these people are going to be open. And he was right on the money. So what happened was they started converting some people to Christianity. Well, their first, like, three or four guys that's been a few years back, they're like from Iran. Oh, Afghanistan. All the places which, what prick my interest about it was that here we are.

We've had these U.S. led military engagements because of all the problems they're causing, you know. But I'm like, here's a guy from a spiritual warfare standpoint, saw an opportunity to think, you know, if you really want to change that culture over there, you want to change a heart. Right, which we've always said that, but this guy's actually doing. Oh, he's doing it. And look, what he does is dangerous. They, in several, because you got to remember, these people that he's bringing to Jesus, a lot of them have been whipped and beaten. Because when they say goodbye to their faith that they have before, Islam and the things that go along with it,

well, then you become a target. Death sentence. And so he has to work with all that going on, meanwhile. But his vision is I'm not going to be able to reach their countries. But I'm reaching these refugees for Jesus because the power in introducing Jesus, it doesn't matter what kind of background you have. it's appealing. And so they're coming to the Lord from all these different countries. Well, then they're the ones going back because then all of a sudden they go from a refugee to a missionary thinking, well, I've got the way to change my culture.

So they're building these churches with these guys now that are disciples. So some of these have been around a few years. So here's how they're going back in because they can't, if you went back in physically into this country, they'd just kill you. Yeah. And that's what would happen. So we talk a lot about the Internet. So the internet now is the vehicle to get the gospel back into these countries. Because as backwards as many of them are like Afghanistan, it's amazing how a lot of people still can get to the internet.

That's how ISIS. What was the one that did the 150 video? Which country was he from? Iran. Yeah. So the guy he converted, you know, from Iran. And they showed many clips of him speaking. I mean, he was just preaching Jesus just like any one of us.

and he's doing all these videos. Of course, he's a wanted man. You know, they're looking to kill him. Oh, it's a death sentence on him, see. But all these people from Iran, since he's from Iran, saying, look, check this out. Well, they're watching it. And I forgot how many views the guy was having, but I mean. Hundreds of thousands of people are watching it.

And so they're fine. So they're basically getting the gospel into the Middle East, which none of us can go there. I mean, you know, they'll kill you. Nor what I want to. Nor would I want to. I mean, that sounds horrible, but I'd last five minutes over there. Somebody put a bullet in my head. Exactly.

So what Larry does is, so his emphasis is to disciple and get the word into these guys, and then they're going to get it into their country, which is brilliant. But here's what piqued my interest in Jay. So they just did a, and there's a video on this one kingdom you can watch if you're interested. So that's kind of the mission of what it does. So then he did our Bible class. He did like a combined class at our church. Yeah, his sermon was more about what we just got through saying.

Here's what we're doing. Here's our mission. His class was this is what I teach people because they have like a school. You know, they bring the refugees in. They feed them like you do homeless. You know, they have a soup line and all that. And then they invite them to come to their school, which it's a school of Jesus. That's what it is.

But then he's like he told a funny illustration about. having a guitar with one string on it and he has one song. He's like, my message has just one thing. He told it, he said there was a homeless guy that was in Tulsa, and he had one string guitar. And so he would say, give me your request. Of course, he had his bucket there to put money in there. And he said, if you give me your request and I'll sing your song.

Somebody had put in a $5 bill or a dollar bill or whatever. And so then he would play a song. But it wasn't a song they asked for it. only song he knew, one string. And then that would be like Pink Floyd. Well, he's, he started, okay. Okay. So he puts the money in one song.

Same song. Yeah, no matter what the request was, I got one song. This is what I got. So he said, he said, I'm like that guy. I got the one string deal. And his one string, his one thing, he drills into his guys he's teaching, that then becomes their message. And it's a good one, is the deity of Christ.

Because the Muslim mind, they know. about Jesus because Muhammad told him Jesus was a prophet, which Muhammad was a prophet. So they got him right there together. So basically what they were saying is, is, oh yeah, he's a good guy. He's a good dude. But, you know, we're following Muhammad. So his point is if we can, he said, if you can get them to understand that he's not, and Jesus was a prophet, but he said, but he's so much more than that. So that's their message. That's what they hammer on. That's their deal. They're just like, You've got to be able to get them to understand that Jesus is God. And so then basically that became his plan.

Well, he did it in question form, which Jesus did numerous times. He had numerous passages. And like Matthew 16, 15, you know, when Jesus said, but who do you say I am? So he revolved his whole class, which is his message, on who do you say Jesus is? Because when you think about it, that appeals to every human being on the planet. You have to form an opinion on who Jesus is. Well, let's take a quick break. And then we'll dive into the idea of the deity of Jesus, which I think would be great.

So the idea is that Jesus, and I think sometimes people even in Christianity, sometimes get this a little out of whack, is the understanding that Jesus Christ is God. It wasn't like he gave up his divinity to come. come to earth. Because a lot of times people misunderstand that way he became a man, therefore he was no longer God. In fact, one of our viewers even asked a question because they misunderstood Si, because they were like, was Sai saying that he became divine when he got baptized? And was no, no, no, no. I said he may have, but that's, that's not what he meant. He didn't, he didn't leave his divine nature. He just brought it with him into a human and he became a man. But that, but in his speech, he made that clear.

I thought he made a, that was a good line there. Because when you think about religious leaders that have ever been here in the history of the world, they were men who became gods based on their rhetoric or their narrative or the people follow them. Jesus is different. He is God, was God, is, and he became a man. that that's the difference that's right so yeah because you talk about Zeus or all these you know all the Roman Greek God the idea they were men you go worldwide and what you'll continue to run it into is particular spirits first John four dear friends do not believe every spirit but test the spirits to see whether they are from God because many false prophets have gone out into the

world. Yeah. Well, then and now you say, so how quickly can you perform the test and find out what the answer is? This is how you can recognize the spirit of God. You want to find out about the true God. Every spirit that acknowledges that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is from God. God. You say, stand on that. That's the test. Who is Jesus? Which is Bolton's point. They are not

what's your name? Bowles. Bowles. That's Bowles point. Yep. But every spirit that does not acknowledge Jesus is not from God. This is the spirit of the Antichrist, which you've heard is coming and is already here. Therefore, if you just take that test, you say, who do you say Jesus is? And they say, well, you know, he was a prophet, you know, the Islamists to give you one version of him. Some other religious group will give you another version and another version. But the ones who say Jesus is God and flesh.

Which is interesting in John's point, because you were just in 1st John. So 1st, 2nd, John, 3rd John, all of John's later epistles, you could already see that even already in the first century, there was a mindset there that, and it comes from the old Greek thought that flesh is bad. You know, they always thought the mind and the intellect

was everything in the body, well, that's just, that's no good, but that's not what God said. God said, you're whole in who you are. And therefore, but what they were saying is, well, we can't follow this Jesus Christ you're talking about. He had flesh. So there was this idea that came along called Gnosticism and the idea was, is that he wasn't really, when he was in his body, he wasn't really God. And it was, you understand. It ran rampant back then, but it's still here. Now that's first, Sean, four. But you understand why they came up with that. I mean, I I see their logic. Right.

But they just. So you get to second, John, many deceivers, little bitty book over toward the end, about before you get to Jude and Revelation, many deceivers, watch, who do not acknowledge Jesus Christ as coming in the flesh have gone out into the world. Any such person is the deceiver and the antichrist. Watch out that you do not lose what you have worked for, but that you may be rewarded fully. anyone who runs ahead does not continue in this teaching of Christ does not have God. So if you read these texts about what John the Apostle was warning people about,

says you better get Jesus and who he is, better get him on straight. Right. And there's no mealy mouth that I'm around about it. Right. Well, it's a difficult concept for the human feeble mind to grasp a being like God. I've never heard of it except here in the Bible. I've never heard of this. That's why the fact that some of them would dream it up is preposterous.

I've read this before, but, you know, people who struggle with this concept, I think this is a very good verse for this. Now, it's not really, was not the point, but the underlying principles of what we're talking about is here is Romans 9, 5. And I've read this before, I think, on the podcast, but he was talking about Israel being originally God's chosen people. And the second part of verse four says there's talking about Israel is the adoption as sons. There's the divine glory, the covenants, the receiving of the law, the temple worship,

and the promises. There's are the patriarchs, verse five. Now here's the point I want to make. And from them is trace the human ancestry of Christ. But this next phrase is my point. who is God overall. Yeah. There are very few verses in the Bible just says it.

Okay. Because we don't, we don't think in those terms, we think, well, there's a God, and then there's humans. But we have a being who actually is the bridge or the latter of God in humans because he represents both because he's God who became a man. And a lot of people say, well, why? Why would he do that? Because God can't die because he's eternal. So if you're going to have a way. So he becomes a human being so that he can die.

For the sins of the world, which then since he can't die, he came back to life to show you, oh, hey, you can do this. So, I mean, what a, what an idea to introduce. Try to sit under a tree 4,000 years ago. and dream this one up. All the prophets saying, Jesus is coming. God in flesh. You know, Emmanuel, God with us.

And not only that failed to get 41 authors over a span of what, four or five thousand years. Yep. Throughout the history of our world to go along with it. Yeah. Yep. Let's take a quick break. Then we come back.

We'll keep fleshing this out. So in the practical way of looking at that, just to show you how we miss it, one of our listeners sent me a question just, I think, this past week. And he asked an interesting question, but it's the wrong question. But I hear this a lot. So I want to bring it into this discussion. So he asked me, said, do you guys baptize in the name of Jesus like, and he had the verse there?

Or are you, do you baptize them like Matthew 28, you know, and he meant in the name of the Father, Son, the Spirit? And so I haven't answered him, but the reason I haven't said I want to talk about it here. It's the wrong question because it doesn't matter. You're not going to believe this. This is, we didn't plan this. But this weekend, you know, I spoke locally at a, I think it was a plumber's equipment convention or something.

It was literally, why is that funny? Because I didn't know plumbers had composed. I don't know. It was three minutes. I just imagine a bunch of butt crack, half butt crack showing like the whole thing. It was three minutes from our church bill. Well, they had sent an evening. email and I was like, I'll do it.

They're like, what are you charge? I'm like, nothing. You know, for our community. Well, I go there. They said, let me just give you credit. Because I make fun of you all the time. But you are really good at that. I do the same thing. But you do it a lot because, you know, you're famous people.

But you give that to people, which I like that. I do. In our community. I love that. In our community. No charge. I'm the same way. I've spoken to a lot of churches.

And now this deal, I thought, you know, plumber convention. I'm sorry if it's not a plumber car. I think that's what they said. But I have my assistant, like, lining up. The fact you didn't know, and you've already done it, is even funny to me. Like, you didn't even know what they were. And so I'm doing it for free. You didn't know plumber job.

They're like, be there at 5.30. You know, I pulled up literally at 528. But when I pulled up, I'm like, first of all, I didn't even know this was here. Right. It was a big, huge warehouse. And look, there were cars as far as I could see. And I thought, this must be kind of big. So I walked in.

This place is packed. You're a big deal, Jay. You underestimate you. No, I think they do this like every three or four months. They have to tell them, Jay, from Dunnesty. They had fish fry. Yeah, they did, but they had a fish fry and they were giving away. I mean, awesome stuff, you know, fish cookers and all this kind of deal.

Well, one of the guys who helps put this on, this is not a church event whatsoever. And he said, look, there's people here. This probably be the first sermon they ever heard, you know. But there's a believer who works for that company. and he's like, I think we should have a speaker here, and there's a guy in our local community, which is me, and he said he'll do it. They went with it.

So look, and this is getting to your point about your question about baptism. So I get up, and what I do in those settings is I just introduce Jesus, because I'm thinking if you fall in love with Jesus, I'm hoping and I'm figuring that you'll figure out the rest of it, you know, as far as the response. I don't really talk about repentance. I don't talk about baptism. I just introduce Jesus.

And I kind of do it from a basis of, you saw the show. If you've ever seen my wife, you know, if you've seen it, I'm going to tell you, here's what happened. Here's how that happened. And then I share Jesus. I'm like, we're disciples of Jesus. All that was just. So I do the speech.

And then I say, is anybody got any questions? Well, there's, I'd say there's probably 200 being there and one woman. the one woman raises her hand. And I thought, uh-oh. First of all you're like, why are you here? Yeah, I did say that. Did you just wander in? I have a question.

Why are you here? But she didn't even answer that. I guess she worked for the company. And I think it was not a men-only deal, but I guess there's not a lot of women plumber. I've been to say, I don't, I've never seen a woman blumber. And so she said, I got a question. She asked the exact question.

that you just said, she said, I heard, because I mentioned to them when I was 14 that you baptized me right down here in the river. And she said, I have a lot of questions about baptism. She said, I consider myself a Christian, but I don't really, you know, go to church much or whatever. And I was taught or told that you had to be baptized in Jesus's name only. That's what she said. And so I said, well, this was perfect for me because even though I just introduced Jesus, I then said what you just said. I said, you brought it up. It's a controversial issue in the religious world.

I said, it's not in the real world. Most people that when you introduce Jesus to them, if they're cut to the heart about who Jesus is, which is what Bowles this question is. We believe he's Lord. We believe he's God in human form and he's eternal. When people want to respond to that, they, you know, they accept him as their Lord. They make the decision. And we say, well, here's some water. you can actually reenact his death, barrel, and resurrection in water.

You can surrender. And I went and at it from the angle of surrender. It's a way for you to surrender to God, reenact what he did. Well, people that don't have a religious background, they run to the water. I mean, they're just like, well, let's go find some water. Like Philip and the Ethiopian Union. They're going along. He heard about Jesus.

He went, here's some water washing to be baptized. There was no issue. But I told her, I was like, that's a good question because here's what I would say about that. Number one, I think God knows the heart. Number two, Jesus's name in Hebrew and Greek was not Jesus. I'm not sure how you would pronounce it. Joshua. Yeah, Yahshua.

I said, so even when somebody says you have to use that specific name, they're screwing that up. Because that wasn't even what they called him back to you. So I was like, it's more about the person than it is the terminology. And then I read Colossians 2. Right. Do you know where I'm going with this? Yep, I know where you're going. I'm going to Colossians 2 because it says in verse 9,

for in Christ Jesus, all the fullness of the deity, God, Jesus, the Holy Spirit, lives in bodily form, which is the human side of him, right? Now here's verse 10, and you have been given fullness in Christ, which is God, Jesus, the Holy Spirit. Correct. Who is the head over every power and authority, which is who do people say Christ? We believe he's the head over every power and authority. Then it goes into this, which we're familiar with. in him you had your old sinful self cut off. He uses the word circumcise, but we know what that

means. When did that happen? Verse 12, having been buried with him in baptism and raised with him through your faith in the power of God, he raised him from the dead. Be clear. Jesus is what saves a person. 100%. I told of that. Correct. Jesus Christ is what saves a person. That's why they're focusing on Jesus's name, but they're looking at it so small that somehow another, I think, they're forgetting the bigger picture on who he is and he knows your heart and what terminology you're using. All right, somebody's been introduced to Jesus. They want to put their faith and trust in them. I then think that becomes a little coy to start arguing on exactly the terminology. What say you? Let's take one last break and then we'll wrap it up with that thought.

That's so weird that you had the same question that I had two nights ago at my event. I know. And you're right. So I think you're exactly right. I think it's the wrong question and the wrong view. Sometimes I say I baptize the name of Jesus. It doesn't matter. It doesn't.

And here's the thing. People make a big deal out about who baptizes you. To me, there's no difference. I remember, Dad, the first time I baptized somebody down here on the river, I was young. I was brand new back. Prodical son returned. We were out at Luna member. And I was so excited.

I baptized this person, a good old brother. And I love it. He's an African-American guy that's gone on to be with the Lord. Now, he came up and put his arm and said, oh, I'm so proud of you. And I'm 19, you know. And I was like, yeah, you know, and he said, but, you know, when you baptized that guy, you know, you didn't say for the remission of sins. You know, just keep that in mind for as you go forward.

Well, I mean, I was just dashed, you know, because I was such a big moment. It was my first person I'd ever baptized. You thought I was created him. He's going to hell now because of me. But then as I look, you know, in the moment I took it. It's an older brother. But later when I looked back out, I thought how off that was. It didn't matter whether I said something or not.

The person's heart is doing it. It doesn't matter who baptizes you. That doesn't matter or what they say. Let me read this out. It's a submissive act to the Almighty. Yeah, it's a surrendered act. First Corinthians 1, 13, says, is Christ, devised. Was Paul crucified for you?

Were you baptized into the name of Paul? And then Paul says, I'm thankful that I didn't baptize in Evian. He names a few people he did. So no one can say that you were baptized into my name. Then he gives a reference, yeah, I baptize, you know, people here and there. The point was verse 17. For Christ did not send me to baptize, but to preach the gospel.

Not with words of human wisdom. There you go. Now, there's the phrase. If you're having to figure out the words based on your wisdom, he just said, don't do that. And if somehow, whether you speak him or not, it affects this person's salvation. I mean, come on. But here's the key. Lest the cross be emptied of its power.

I've always loved this verse for a variety of reasons. Whenever you think you have to get some kind of wisdom with your wisdom. them with your words in any sermon. What is that alarm? What happened? Somebody's lunch is ready. Fire alarm. Is that your ear?

No, we got a response. End of the line, Jace. End of the line. Wrap it up. I hate to do that. This is the best point we got.

And computer talk, that was wrap it up. Yeah. All right, wrap it with this thought, so my point is, Paul made a point. So a lot of people read this,

they think, oh, we shouldn't baptize. No, that was not the point. The point was it doesn't matter who's baptized and who. You get Jesus down the power of the cross and someone wants to embrace that and you have an opportunity. It doesn't matter your human words and it doesn't matter who's the one doing the actual dunking. There's way more going on here than those things. The Apostle Paul made that very clear.

And to prove it and to wrap it up, you mentioned the Open Union. Unican Philip, which is in Acts 7 and 8. So he just was riding along in a chariot. All of a sudden, God had him running alongside. Hey, you understand what you're reading. Then they saw some water and they did it. That's how organic it really is. And so that's the way we should go forward with that.

And look, and I'll say this. I do it all the time. And I like Paul, the reason I said when I was at the Plumbers convention, I focused on Jesus because Christ sends me to preach him. So did they give you a standing old? Did they boo you? out of there? Did they clap a little bit? Or did you say? I would say it was a smattering of an applause. Yeah. It was. So these people, you know, they weren't expecting. They weren't expecting Jesus.

You know, I told a few jokes at first. They didn't laugh much. A few chuckles. So I thought, okay, when I use that as fuel. I'm like, you're here. Unless you're uncomfortable. Unless you're talking PVC and, you know, thread glue. I mean, you haven't said that. When I got up, they had a pastor get up and lead a prayer after I was done. When the heads go down, I'm leaving the premises. But as I'm walking out, there was a few people that saw me and they got up, I'd say three or four guys, and they just started walking with me out. And they were, one of them said, I think I need to be baptized.

And I said, well, good. Find somebody to baptize it. I said, but in the meantime, I think he thought I was just going to stop and do it. I said, in the meantime, here's what I recommend. I said, and I'll pray for this to happen. You go home and read the book of John like I suggested and see what Jesus is like. And then if you're ready, I said, it doesn't matter he baptized. I said, I quoted this verse.

I said, Christ didn't send me to baptize, which preached the gospel. Having said that, I want you to be baptized. I think that's good. I said, but fall in love with Jesus and make sure. and so I just wanted to use that and the others were the same kind of thing will you pray with me one guy he said you coached me in a little league baseball you don't remember me I mean guy had a full grown beard I was like no I was like well what did you think about that he said got to give it to you that's what I needed to hear so I thought took it as a positive it is it shows it shows how old you are now too so great discussion I think we just scratched the surface so we'll talk more about this deity of Jesus next time because there's some really good stuff to dive into. So thanks for tuning in to Unashamed. Keep telling folks about it. Man, the podcast is growing and doing awesome. And we thank you for that. So I love your enthusiasm. Keep listening. Remember, we're three days a week now, Sunday, Wednesday, Friday. So you got a lot to choose from.

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